Feb. 7, 2025

2024 Year In Review

2024 Year In Review

This week! We talk Skeleton Crew, Section 31, The Acolyte, Discovery...everything Star Trek and Star Wars from 2024, along with where the heck we are in general.

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This week! We talk Skeleton Crew, Section 31, The Acolyte, Discovery...everything Star Trek and Star Wars from 2024, along with where the heck we are in general.

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For it. Just going for it.

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Man, We're just going for it. Here we go.

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You went for it, We went for it.

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Yeah, I gotta say that we now asking.

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The interest happening.

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I know the interest happening, and I pressed them. I

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pressed the intro button.

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I'm not supposed to talk right now.

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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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darest answer the most important question and fandom, which is

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better Star Trek or Star Wars by going through both

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franchises and chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison, the

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Star Trek contingent that with me Esper always is.

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It's me Aspen Webster, what's happening? Are we still going?

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I'm sorry, I have the I have the intro loaded

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as the original file, which hence I believe the beginning

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and the ending file attached to do it.

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Oh yeah, I made those. I mean I didn't write

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them anyway, but I think I mean no, no, yeah,

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I added, I'm asked in Webster, I am my Star

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Wars contingent? But am I am? I? Really?

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So? Who am I?

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Is the question I have?

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Do you think that you're the Star Wars contingent? Considered that?

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I believe you have the upper hand on the amount

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of Star Wars that has been watched in terms of

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all new content.

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I guess if we if we define contingent by who

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has the upper hand, who's the winner?

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Yeah? I do. And speaking of the winner, I think

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it is time. I think it's time for us to

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make a quorum. Quorum here, ye hear ye, let us

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assemble and discuss the state of our franchises. Five yea.

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The time is now.

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Wait does quorum necessitate other people need to be here?

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You know what? Excellent question? You know, But I guess

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if the middle number of officers and members of a

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committee or organization usually a majority, who must be present

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for valid transaction of business. In that case, it's one two.

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We are we are the members of trek boards. Therefore, thusly, yeah,

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this is a quorum in order to conduct business.

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We assembled. I was like, do you want me to

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grab the cat? Okay? Cats like me? I'm a Star Wars. Whoops,

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that's your headphone.

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Headphune. Just I found them? You found them? I found them?

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What like they were yours and you lost them? Or

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you just found them?

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No? I found them. I was walking along. It was

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an extremely early morning. I was like nine in the morning,

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I was cleaning out. I was like, what are these

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doing here? Why would someone just leave these here? And

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so I grabbed them. I figured that someone will be

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looking for them at some point. No one came along

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for them another I've just held on to them. Yeah,

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my god, my god.

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Look at you. Look at you. You're such a like

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a special fancy boy. Now it's so cool. They don't

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even have chords. They don't have cords to wires.

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No, though I am checking the battery life, because that

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is one distinct advantage that corded headphones have over wireless headphones.

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I don't have to recharge headphones with chords. But we're

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not here to talk about the pros and cons of

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corded versus cordless. We're here to talk about Trek Wars

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and everything in between. How twenty twenty four was for

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both franchises, what we can look forward to in twenty

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twenty five for both franchises, and just a general amuse

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boosh of conversation. Yeah, would be would you be so

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brave as to say.

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I don't I I couldn't dare say I'm as brave

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as you. I don't know if I call it a

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mooz booshe I think I call it a little sneaky.

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Snack, a little sneaky snack, sneez snack.

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So that's because I'm not brave.

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That's true. Of all podcasters. You are known as the

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most cowardly podcaster out there, second only to Joe Rogan.

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It's okay, he can beat me in that in that regard, yes,

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in that regard everything else. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, yeah, twenty

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twenty four, what even happened?

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Tell you what happened? Two pieces of Star Wars that

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pushed the franchise in interesting new directions. Yep. Do we

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have any other animated things that happened? I had not

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updated the spreadsheet in this bell gotta say, I'm certain

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that I'm missing things.

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Yeah, I mean twenty twenty four, for Yeah, for Star

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Wars was Big Ones where the Accolade and Skeleton.

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Crew she pronounced Skelington crue.

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Skelington Crew. That's right, that's right, that's right. If there

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were other like I guess, I'm a little bit worried

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that other things came out, But I'm thinking they came

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out in twenty twenty three, and I just haven't I

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don't have a I don't have like a grasp on

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time anymore. Kind of freaks me out. So yeah, bad Batch.

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You know, it's funny. I actually haven't watched bad Batch.

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Which is you do not watch bad Batch.

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I watched, I watched the first few seasons, but I

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didn't watch it this last year.

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I don't know why.

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Actually I think a lot of stuff about it, and

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maybe I just sort of like fell off of it,

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you know, I don't know. Actually I find bad Batch

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be extremely really interesting and beautiful and well made, and

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I think actually like carrying on a lot of what

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feels exciting about has felt exciting about, like Clone Wars

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or Rebels, and perhaps felt like it was missing in

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live action things like Ahsoka. Like I do think a

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lot of the spirit of Star Wars feels carried forward

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in things like bad Batch and I What are You?

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Alcolyte and Skeleton Crew and maybe ways that it wasn't

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it was kind of missing. But I'm a little bit

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like I'm a little lacking in that way. Which again,

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am I am I not the contingent? Who am I?

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Who are you?

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Who am I?

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Who are you? Indeed? Yeah, indeed, I believe we saw

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the end of the Bad Batch, which neither one of

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us have gotten to. And because of the nature of

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this podcast, I am going to attempt to try and

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delay that as much as I can. I kept myself

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agrestive things like Acolyte and Skeleton Crew so they could

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go talk over at the whole the Maneuver about those things.

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Oh nice, good you talk about act or did I just.

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Keep watching Accolyte. I must talk about Acolyte over there

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on Hold the Maneuver, But I definitely talked about Skelington

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Crew over there, and you could hear my thoughts. Nice

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at length. Bat Batch did come to it, and a

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whole butt load of comics and books drop. Yeah, all

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of the canonical good lord.

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Yep, be a comic person.

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Yeah.

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I think what it is for me is I didn't

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watch season three and I you know, it's funny because

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oh my god, yeah, I know there's Tales of the Sith.

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There's a lot.

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Well, tales are the Empire. Not only that tis the Empire, right, uh?

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The my In twenty twenty four and May twenty twenty four,

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I did the skyhol Skywalker saga in a movie theater

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just celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary of Star Wars Episode one,

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The Phantom Menace. H yeah, dude, good lord, Yeah that

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was so much fun. Outlaws, which you and me are

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not video gaming people, went, I know, the High Republic,

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something that I have tried to get into and has

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just completely missed out on. Yeah, just non interesting.

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You know, it's funny. You know it's the final Waly

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fandom functions, right, because as we're going through this, I'm like, well,

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geez jeez, Louise, I feel like if I were talking

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to other Star Wars fans, I'd be like, you'dn't watch

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like any of these things. How can you claim this?

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And is that just a bottle of hot sauce that

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you just picked up?

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Oh yes, yes, yes, this debomb evolution from our friend

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Justin Boseid's forty seventh anniversary or forty seventh anniversary being alive.

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Yeah right, I was otherwise known as a birthday. I

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was there. It was really good. Surely you were there.

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I was there.

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I was there.

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You you did a you did a hot ones thing.

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I just like that. It's just I just like that.

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It's like you're in your office, like, what other funny

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things do you have on your desk.

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See, I have the Atrider speaking of Star Wars.

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Beautiful, look at that? Look at that.

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I have Aaron Harvey's book Star Trek, The Official Guide

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to the animated series.

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Yes, yes, yes, glorious.

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I have the This is only going to be for

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people to subscribe to our YouTube YouTube dot com slash

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at Trak Wars spot. I have the NX zero one.

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What's the X one?

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Uh, the Enterprise, which you will get after we finished

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Star Trek Voyager okay one day, and then also my

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pride enjoyed the Dunkecino Cup from the Enter the Sandman

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movie marathon at the Alamo Draft where they gave out dunkos.

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It's real cute and you know, a whole bunch of

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riff rath.

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Brief brath scoundrel. Take that.

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We're not here to talk about the detritus that is

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collected here on my desk, on my brand new desk.

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Here are these brand new.

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Digs we're talking about. Yes, yeah, you're new your nude digs.

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Talking about the nature of phantom. I think sometimes I

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get a little bit anxious because I'm like, oh, I

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should I should consume more if I'm going to like

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be someone that speaks with any kind of clarity about stuff.

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But then I'm like, you know what, Nah, it's okay.

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I'll watch things when I watch them. We've been watched

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lots of stuff, and I feel like sometimes and maybe

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it's just like a commentary on like what the point

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of our podcast is, which is like, I don't think

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we are often just being like, let's talk about this

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just solely within the context of Star Wars or Star Trek.

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It's like, what does this mean for the world? What

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does this mean when we if we're like experiencing events

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in our lives, political, whatever it looks like, historical and

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see things through that. Through that lens I always gives

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us so much. So I've talked myself into not feeling

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guilty for not having seen a lot of the stuff

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that came out in twenty tenty for but I'll catch

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up and we'll talk about it later.

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Well, you've just don You've got ultimately, we've got the

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end of Bad Batch, Acolite, which you watched, Skelington Crew,

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which you watched. Yeah, yeah. Did you watch Phantom Menace

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whenever it came back out in theaters? I mean, did

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you just pop in the DVD. Yeah, I mean, I

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guess stream it.

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I think I've seen The Phantom Menace so many times.

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Stream it, streamed it.

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I think I have just a copy of it that

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you've like shared with more than likely, yeah, like in Google.

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I don't know why it's special, but I'm like, that's

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the one I'm gonna watch.

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More than likely. It's the theatrical scan that I got. Yeah,

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somewhere someone but a thirty five millimeter print and they

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scanned it.

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See, Okay, that's what it is, and that's important to me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I found a bunch of PEPSI and I pretended

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like they were covered in Phantom Menace characters in order

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to celebrate.

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That always still looking for that gold, Yoda can.

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Looking for the gold, looking for those POGs, you know,

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all those different POGs. So I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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And I think, yeah.

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Sorry, I'm going to go back to this nature of

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fandom and participating in You know, you got to read

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the latest Star Wars comic because you have to find

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out what the next piece of Star Wars is as

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opposed to do I think what you and me do,

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which is, if this thing fails to resonate with us,

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any longer. We're just like, okay, we just kind of

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put it aside.

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I wonder, I mean again, Star Wars is always going

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to be in my heart. I think, you know, I'm wondering.

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I'm wondering, wondering and wondering, just doing some like doing

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a body scan right now, what's calling one of my

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body rom I think the Acolyte stuff really bummed me out,

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not the show, that the show was a joy, and.

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I think according to independent rating system or I don't

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think that that's even necessarily true. According to Deadline Hollywood,

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a reputable journalist outlet within Hollywood truly, reported that Acolyte

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was the second highest viewed program on Disney Plus. Yeah,

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so that's Disney Plus putting out its own figures or whatever.

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They're independent. It's either that or the independent assessment based

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on some whatever new fangled rating system is. Either way,

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the Ako Lite is the second highest watched piece of

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media that was consumed on Disney pluss. You can believe

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the narrative that is put forth by toxic assholes, or

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you can look the numbers. Yeah, all right, all right,

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and which I'm a sneaky suspicion that most people are

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like that's.

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Fine, as in oh the show, they watched it and

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they're like yes.

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Fine, yeah. Oh though you and me, I think we're

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both excited about Okay, we're pushing forward, we're doing different.

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It does have that sort of vibe to it of

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it does feel it did feel sparkly and special to me,

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Like was it I mean it's you know, well, we'll

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use and Or as like our sort of measuring point

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because I do think and Or is so extraordinary to

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both of us.

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Is it and Or? No?

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But was it consistently interesting and filled with characters that

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have very specific motivations and like stuff I hadn't seen before.

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Absolutely that I feel engaged and like entertained by it

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one percent. Like I liked it. I had a great time.

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I have this sort of like sparkly feeling. I think

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that like we we've talked about this throughout the year

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as we were watching it. Maybe it was more patrion ritid.

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I can't remember if we like talked about it like

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on main or anything.

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Very infrequently in Star Wars, is there such a like

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a clear sort of like not maybe like sexual or

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romantic tension like you get like true sexual tension with

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Han and Lea, and then kind of in a lot

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of other pieces is just kind of so de sexualized.

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And even that piece alone, this sort of what I'm

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going to say, not pejoratively, very positively, this almost like

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romance novel like feeling of spark is pretty wild to

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see in my Star Wars and that alone makes it

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worth it to me, Like I feel like there is

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real there's a queerness about that show because I think

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you have a queer creator and queer people in it,

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like a Manala Stenburgh and like people of color, and

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there's a certain dynamis into it that I just don't

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feel like shows up in his other episode of other shows. Right,

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that's like exciting, Like it was exciting again, it was

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a perfect note. So many shows, though so many shows

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are have historically been allowed to have pretty good first

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seasons and then to be able to flourish with their

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follow up seasons, but not in a not in Trump's America.

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Truly, Yes, that's exactly what it is. Because we saw

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the response on social media, which is that this is

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the worst Star Wars that's ever existed, and it's an abomination,

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and they're shoving their politics down my throat and like whatever,

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let's not engage with that stupid it's too much of

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a bummer. And clearly the numbers were like indicated that

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Acolyte did quite well, and I think and I.

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Would be curious about when those numbers happened, because there

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was a clear at least anecdotally seeing posts about it

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where people did not watch the show because there was

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all this information about it being bad or you know,

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the ratings, like people actually talking about the show. I

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felt like it was like fairly treated, but all the

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kind of commentary around it, I think kept people from

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watching it. And then I see all these different post

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where people were like I just watched Acolyte, are you joke?

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Like this was good?

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Like what were people talking about? It's a real effect,

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like we really like damaging effect. It's it's you know,

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it's opposite word of mouth where mouth that this is

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bad and it was.

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Fake news, yeah, as opposed to what it is, which

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is at worst it's fine.

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Yeah, at worst it's fine. At best it's like, wow,

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that was really fun. I had a good time watching this,

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like yay.

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Please, and also doing the thing that Star Wars is

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so afraid to do. Which is push us in different

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directions I even knew, just different anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, so I guess I guess there's a sort

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of like I wonder if I like, if I reflect

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on twenty twenty four for Aspen and Star Wars, like

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I wonder if I sort of felt sad and I

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love watching Clone Wars and I've loved watching all the

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pieces with you and I, so I'm going to do

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that all the time. But then when it came to

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like other pieces, there's like you wonder where you fit

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into where you fit into it, like where I fit

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into it, and like almost like in spite of things,

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but for other people, you know what, I like said

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and talk to you about Star Wars. When I talk

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to other people about Star Wars, like just fucking normal people,

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and I just like gang with not like absolute trolls

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on the internet. People just like Star Wars, you know. Like,

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but also I see, you know, it's so fascinating to me.

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I see so many women and fem people who like

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don't and they feel like they are not part of

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it and they just never got into it. And that

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bums me out so profoundly because I.

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Do think it's not a safe space for women and

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people to participate in fandom. Yeah for Star Wars.

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Yeah, and you know, I think that twenty twenty four

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showed it. That's like, oh you, especially if you're like

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a person of color as well, like fuck you, like

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you don't get this space and it feels so disappointing.

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Sorry am I Okay, I don't know. It's just like

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an honest just like an honest review of the thing

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of the year, like in review because yeah, and a

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lot of really good stuff came out too, like this

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is I really should I think watch Tales of the Empire,

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watch Bad Batch because I think they get to go

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under the radar a little bit. It's just good stories

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with extraordinary art being put out there that like people

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aren't like fucking around with even though they're like clearly

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still like stories about like exploited people, and you know.

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Like so because the animated shows are not real shows,

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as I'm pretty sure my partner Heidi attest.

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To are you putting?

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Are we clapping?

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Because she doesn't think they're real because she's your partner, Okay,

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you're like he he doesn't think that it's real.

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Ea, So break though, like Clone Wars wasn't considered cannon

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until or Clone Wars wasn't considered with any kind of

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seriousness until ten years down the line. Because nostalgia makes

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everything improved by one hundredfold, which is why I'm holding

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out hope because we're we're now five years in now,

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four years in to Matrix resurrects.

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Oil boy, I've got what five more years before I

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want to I want to watch it.

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So twenty twenty was that twenty twenty one? Yeah, twenty

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twenty one.

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Okay, we're three years then, right, okay, okay, and then

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people are going to be with me okay, okay.

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Don't called masterbase. So too will they be with to

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pull it back around? So too will they be with

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the acolyte where positive word or the negative word of

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mouth will have kind of melted away. And it's the

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nostalgia because you can capital because the forces that be,

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the capitalistic forces that be on nostalgia because you don't

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have to generate any new content from that. Instead, you

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can just co opt what's pre existing right there without

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having to create any new assets, as opposed to having

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to generate new things with new product.

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Do you think I'm trying to think of like from

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a pattern perspective media consumption, there's like if there's like

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a really I mean people, it's easier to consume a

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known thing, right, I mean this is just like true

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for people in general, right, Like this is the whole

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concept of change management, is that even if like let's

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say you're working in a company and there's a new tool,

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this tool could literally make everything easier for you, like

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I don't know and like use Premiere Pro to edit

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your videos, and someone came in and they were like,

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here is like I'm going to give you this other

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new tool and it's actually truly going to save you time,

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make everything easier. It is actually better, and you would

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still resist, right because you'd be like, no, this is

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the tool. I know this, When I know this is

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it right, and it's easy and you flow through and

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we don't want to we don't want to change. We

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don't want to be challenged because it's scary and it's uncomfortable.

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And that's just like true. And I'm wondering about that

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change management relationship with media and especially if like people

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are like I'm sure this relationship of like if you're

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feeling high anxiety, it's so much easier to consume a

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own known product, and also just the general discomfort of

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having anything challenged. And I'm wondering if like rise of fascism,

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and I mean this like it is. I don't know

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if you've seen people talk about how like you can

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actually see certain fashion trends that sort of like arise

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as like other historical things arise, Like there's more long,

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flowy trad wife type stuff out there as fascism starts

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to come up, right, like just wild, And so I'm

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wondering about like that, Like right, someone's probably got a

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dissertation on this rise of fascism with like rise of

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this as well correlational at best, but like you know,

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if you're resistant, obviously, if we're like resistant to new ideas,

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we're going to go with like what is the known quantity?

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And I think all those things that are correct. I

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think all of those things are correct. And also I mean,

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now the new barrier is you compare that against two

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what the dominant form of media is, which is social media,

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where now there is no border for entry. All you

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have to do is just download TikTok, create an account,

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and suddenly an algorithm can curate everything and The worst

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that could happen is that you instantly swipe and something

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else better will supply itself better being whatever your your

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lizard brain would prefer, and if you just don't like it,

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you have to swipe away, as opposed to when I

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think television does require television movies longer media require, which

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is you engage with it in some fashion. Either that

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or it is something kind of designed like reality shows,

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which is designed for if I understand correctly designed for

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the passive viewer. That's not against it. That's that's a perp.

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It is designed for you to be able to watch

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it in the background. You pay attention to the editing

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and repeating things so people in the cheap seats can

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get it again, not an a that's a feature.

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Someone I just saw, like just speaking of just like

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clips of things, like a comedian was saying that like

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watching that.

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What comedian, I can't remember.

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It went flipped by so fast, you know, but it

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was a stand up and it was basically like watching

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reality television. It makes it feel like when you watch succession,

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it's like reading a book. Anyway, it's just weird. Yeah, right, yes,

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that's the benefit. Because they were like, well, I'm like

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doing real it's our Maybe it's a downside of you're like, look,

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I succeeded, I did something hard.

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Yeah anyway, Yeah, And I think a lot of people

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just don't want to think. And it makes sense because,

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at least for American life, it is built for you

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to be as anxious as possible, so you would be

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compelled to make boneheaded decisions that are against your interest.

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Yeah, you're flooded.

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Or we're not talking about our the doom abyss that

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we are staring into. We're talking about our two favorite things.

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We're talking about our complex relationship with those things and

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how they cannot be you dissociated from their.

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Like the context you and I, You and I, we two,

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You and I. You enjoy, we love these things, enjoy

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engaging with these pieces as reflections of the moment, reflections

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of the context of where they were born, reflections of

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what the heck did they mean? And I think there's

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also just a large swath of people out there who

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are like, come the fuck on, I am tired. Yeah,

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I mean, I just I just want to watch the

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same thing because please don't give me anything new. I'm tired.

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I think there's a real validity to that.

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I know we've been sticking around on Star Wars for

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a while here, and we'll get to Star Trek eventually.

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I do wonder about Skeleton Crew. I didn't see a

473
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lot of commentary from people. I just kind of Skelington Crew.

474
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:31.119
I just watched.

475
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.000
But yesterday, here's a here's a hard thing to like

476
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:45.880
explain yesterday Is that for my Is that is that?

477
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:46.519
Cuse I'm brave?

478
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:49.160
Okay.

479
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.680
We were up in the mountains of Santa Monica mountains

480
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.440
and it's it's non quantifiable, Like it's so hard to

481
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:04.160
explain the way that Wars when I see things like

482
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:10.440
open sky or stars at night, or like like Deserty

483
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.920
type of course, lots of sand, something that I feel

484
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:18.200
like it hits at some deep part of me, some

485
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:24.119
this sweet child that feels free or wants to feel freer,

486
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.640
right like maybe wants to like escape. And something about

487
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.279
like those mountains reminded me of the way Star Wars

488
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.920
makes me feel, which is so strange, like I don't

489
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.480
know how to explain it super well. Obviously I'm like

490
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.200
talking about these kind of vague feelings. And I was like,

491
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.880
and I think it must be like the sort of

492
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:53.480
potential of adventure, perhaps tinged with fear, I don't know, vastness,

493
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:59.319
but still danger. So that was an interesting moment for

494
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.880
me because I was just like, maybe I'm like little

495
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.480
George Lucas child in his California home looking out and

496
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.680
being like I wish I could like it's beautiful, but

497
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.160
can I get it? Well, it's not really beautiful, but

498
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:11.799
where he was, but like can I get away from it?

499
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.920
You know, like what does the world look like for me?

500
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.720
What is the galaxy? And you know, I think I

501
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.440
didn't feel it super super strongly, but I think I

502
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:24.920
saw a lot of people feeling it the way that

503
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.839
Skeleton Crew and this did actually happen. I'm like thinking

504
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.400
about it now, like I do feel like Skelington Crew,

505
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.839
Sorry Skelington Crew had a real but I think a

506
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.240
lot of people sort of captured that vibrancy and that

507
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.200
feeling of being a child and loving something so much

508
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.480
and the danger of adventure. But also just like like,

509
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:54.960
I think there's something really really like identifiable and what

510
00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:00.400
was the name whim when whim and Whim's like here

511
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.799
I am in a structure that I don't really understand,

512
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:04.720
and it's just the way it's supposed to be, and

513
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:06.559
you take a test and you do that, and of

514
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.000
course you want to dream for something more. Of course

515
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.079
you want to like dream for adventure, and that venture

516
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:13.720
doesn't always turn out to be what you thought it

517
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.119
was and that's okay. But also like it's not like

518
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.440
like that show ended and it's not like he didn't

519
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.359
want adventure anymore, like he was like no, no, no,

520
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.680
like eyes open to this world, right, And I do

521
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:27.279
feel like a lot of people saw Skelington Crew and

522
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.680
were like, that's like I get to be I get

523
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.799
to be that kid, like these kids are me, And that,

524
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.920
I think is like that. Non it's not like the

525
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.440
unhealthy nostalgia of like I want to go back to that.

526
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.839
It's like sort of like hitting on a real true

527
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:46.279
feeling that like sits in my heart.

528
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:52.079
It's a complex thesis that Skelington Crew presents where the

529
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.920
adventure is so much scary than you could have ever imagined,

530
00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:00.480
because the show is just dripping in that eighties scary

531
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.640
kids movie field, which as to me deeply, it would

532
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.640
have starred me as a child severely if I had

533
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:16.160
watched it drip driven the eighty Scary Kids wagon. Yeah. Uh,

534
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.759
the adventure is scarier than you could ever imagine, and

535
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.119
it's more fulfilling than you could ever imagine. Right, and

536
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.119
also home is better than you could ever imagine. But

537
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:26.200
it's still broken.

538
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.200
Yep.

539
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.960
The place that the place that the entire galaxy seems

540
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:35.839
to want to get to is their home at Yeah,

541
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.599
that's that's fascinating. I was. I was like, uh, oh,

542
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.759
are you all about to be accidentally conservative and saying

543
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.240
that there's no place like home? The answer is no, no,

544
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:50.799
because it's still broken. It's still broken. Yeah, because all

545
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.720
these people are taking advantage, or rather they're taking it

546
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.960
for granted just how good it Isn't that all of

547
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:01.559
the assistants will just continue existing. Yeah, because you can't

548
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.079
just cut yourself off from the world or the galaxy

549
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.799
in this case, you cannot just result. You cannot just

550
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.640
resort to conservativism and just stay isolated in your bubble,

551
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.279
because the galaxy will just come crashing in and you

552
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.279
must be ready for it. So you must engage. You

553
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.720
must be ready for the adventure, but also value what

554
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.559
the heck that you that you haven't. Perhaps there has

555
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.799
a greater context for those adults and seeing how great

556
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:39.480
at at is, but also like Whim's father Windle, but uh,

557
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.839
who is wearing big honking glasses looking hot as hell.

558
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:46.640
He's a real hotti.

559
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.839
But also perhaps hitting home visually that he's a little

560
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.200
bit blind to what the actuality of what the heck

561
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.440
is going on because he's wearing glasses. That's why he's

562
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.599
blind about it. It's visual storytelling, visual story poetry rhymes.

563
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.920
So if that's if that's true, what's the visual storytelling

564
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.880
of elephant people?

565
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.920
Neil Neil's which one of them are cute and must

566
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:15.559
be preserved.

567
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.680
We must keep them safe forever?

568
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:28.279
All that wants yes, storytelling. I did like it. I

569
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.599
thought Skelington Act Lite was good. Skelington Crew is great.

570
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:32.799
I don't think.

571
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:36.480
I don't feel that, not that we have to put it,

572
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.440
you know, in comparison. But I thought Skelington Crew what

573
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.319
it was trying to do, it's a lot more solid.

574
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.680
Skeleton Crew wasn't great. It was a lot more solid

575
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.680
than Acolyte was.

576
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.039
I I felt, I felt that it would have been

577
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.119
better served as a movie.

578
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:53.960
Yeah, oh yeah.

579
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:56.680
And I think I think it's just the pacing of

580
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.839
it that sort of makes it not great for me,

581
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.759
because I do think it truly, like there were episodes

582
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.599
that happened where I was like, oh god, yes, I

583
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.519
beautiful things happened in that show. And so it's only

584
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.199
the pacing I think. I think it would have been

585
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.719
a fabulous movie, Like it would have been so good,

586
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.400
and I think it could have felt a little bit

587
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.199
more cohesive. However, I'm with you if we are going

588
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.360
to put them in comparison. Yeah, what it's trying to

589
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.920
say is clearer. Yeah, what it's trying to say is clearer.

590
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:36.079
And the risks of the thing are also pretty pretty extraordinary.

591
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.320
I don't know those are risks.

592
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.400
It was delivering a whole bunch of new stuff to

593
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.519
Star Wars. Yeah, which, as you and me are both

594
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.320
very well to do. If Star Wars is to survive

595
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.400
as a relevant thing, you know, it doesn't necessarily need

596
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.760
to it is. Sometimes it is okay for art to end. Yeah,

597
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.280
Endings is sometimes what gives things value. Yeah, but if

598
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.320
Star Wars, if the capitalistic forces deemed Star Wars important

599
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.679
enough to survive on, what it must be is continue

600
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.760
to invite new things. And what we did we got

601
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.440
suburban environments, we got pirates.

602
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.039
Which is love I've always I was.

603
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:24.320
I was like, have we not seen pirates, and oh,

604
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:24.880
we've seen.

605
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:30.000
We've seen in live action because obviously, like we've seen

606
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.440
them in Clone Wars and Rebels. It's Hondo and his

607
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:33.320
whole yarn.

608
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:34.199
Yeah.

609
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:45.840
Sorry, I'm genuinely thinking in live action. I yeah, I don't, yeah,

610
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.800
I mean actively obviously in animated.

611
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.000
It's a simple yarr. It's in live action before.

612
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.840
I don't think so narr. I feel the same way

613
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.440
about witches too, like we got them in Asca, which

614
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.760
is partly why I'm like, buck, yeah, witches. Like, but

615
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.920
I did a online during the pandemic and did an

616
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.559
online Star Wars show, like I think it was supposed

617
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.000
to be like a Star Wars parody farst and just

618
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.119
kind of ended up just being straight up Star Wars.

619
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.159
And the way I'd be like, fucking witches need to

620
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:21.559
exist in these spaces and people are like pirates, and

621
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.000
people would just be like what, and I'm like, we

622
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.400
need to know. Like that's like one of my little

623
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.400
fantoms where I was like, there's so much to Star Wars, Like,

624
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.320
so I there is something it's really fun about. Let's

625
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:38.199
bring real pirates into these spaces and like yeah, yeah,

626
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.320
yeah for sure, like real high and of villainy kind

627
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.599
of vibes.

628
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:48.760
My least pavorite parts of Skeleton Crew were a the

629
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.320
paying Yeah. Like you said, if the Soccer was a

630
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.480
two hour movie, O god would have been I think

631
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.760
we would have had something very special. Yeah and transcrimative.

632
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.559
Poor Star Wars. Yep, but it wasn't.

633
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:04.840
You know.

634
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.679
What I got really enjoyed was yeah. And the other

635
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.079
things were that I wish it was even more self contained.

636
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.760
No New Republic stuff at all, no light sabers. Just

637
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.199
it was so close to being completely disconnected from anything

638
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.079
that I think you could have taken it the extra

639
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.480
five or ten percent and been like, Okay, cool, Now

640
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.280
we can do adventures that don't even involve the New

641
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.440
Republic or any governmental We don't know what the time is,

642
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.320
we don't know what the place is. It's just because

643
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.920
Star Wars is a vibe, Star Wars is a feeling,

644
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.719
Star Wars is a set design.

645
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:50.039
I think I disagree, how dare you? I'm actually they

646
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.840
gave it versus Star Trek right now, like different pieces

647
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.679
of Star Trek existed in a time period, and you

648
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.039
can give it context, and I think we like that.

649
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.519
I like it whenever Star Trek exists in different time periods, Yes.

650
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.000
Well, like I like watching Lower Decks and being like,

651
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.199
I know at what time this is happening, Like I

652
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.360
know that this is a time period where X, Y

653
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.599
and Z has happened, but like A, B and C

654
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.480
has not happened, So I know where I live in

655
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:19.239
time and space.

656
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:19.679
Literally.

657
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.800
I like that, And I think Star Wars is also

658
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.800
okay to do that too, like because I also because

659
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.719
there was something about this where I was like, I'm

660
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.039
pretty sure I know what time period we're in, and

661
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:35.360
I think there's something very interesting to like post Empire

662
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:40.760
that does give it a specific context of that I

663
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.280
if I did not know that time period, I might

664
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.519
not feel the same way I might not it might

665
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.880
not have the certain type of significance, like what does

666
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.880
it mean, Like in the same way that there's that

667
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.519
episode of Mandalorian where they're on Coreussont that's self contained

668
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.760
episode on Corossont with the doctor and like that whole

669
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.280
pece that makes sense in the context of post Empire.

670
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:07.000
What does it look like to effectively re employ Nazis

671
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:11.079
because they are like they are scientists as these pieces

672
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.679
and I think it works because it's in that time period, right,

673
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.400
so it provides it provides a parallel of our own experience,

674
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.719
as our own context and our own histories and sort

675
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.639
of gives it that kind of bump. So to have

676
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.599
them be so isolated and secluded in that at and

677
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.880
I think in space Pasadena does give it it this

678
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:41.840
other shock of isolationism after a conflict. What does that mean?

679
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.519
So I think in that way, I'm very much interested

680
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:50.800
in it. I don't hate. I don't hate there's still

681
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:55.800
being connections to like force sensitivity and lightsabers and stuff,

682
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.280
especially because they're still going to clearly be like the

683
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.519
fun of Jedi of like these saviors that come to

684
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.000
keep you safe and that won this war for us.

685
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.119
I don't like. I think that actually gave a very

686
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.679
easy end of like, well, we've got to trust someone

687
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.840
who would be representative of this. So I don't know,

688
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:22.239
I'm like, I totally understand your perspective of like, but

689
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.199
I but I do think if it's treated, if it's

690
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.960
treated thoughtfully, and it's not just done for the sake

691
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.440
of like, you know, don't you like this, don't you

692
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.719
like a Jedi? Don't you love a lightsaber, right, Like,

693
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.119
if it's for that, I'm like, what the fuck are

694
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.440
we doing here? But if it's giving additional context, is

695
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.559
creating a feeling, it's giving a commentary, then yes, for sure.

696
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:50.480
Such a long counter response, I still disagree.

697
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.400
I understand our notions. I think they make sense. But

698
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.119
also because think about Star Wars and Star Trek all

699
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.559
the time, I'm gonna be someone that is going to

700
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.639
be pushing it to be weirder and more even more

701
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.159
self contained, less connections that way, you're opening things up.

702
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.239
Well, we've talked about that plenty that like Star Wars

703
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.360
isn't quite in a space of taking the risks that

704
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.639
Star Trek takes.

705
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.840
Like, well, i'll say funny Star Wars show, Yeah, Dave

706
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:23.719
Filoni took one big risk.

707
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:31.920
Sexy Gungan. Was that a risk or is that just

708
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.280
what we all didn't even know we wanted?

709
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.519
You're right, it's what we wanted a yeah. Speaking of

710
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.559
Star Trek the other Yeah podcast, are you aware? M

711
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:47.599
hm no, there is a streaming film on Paramount Plus

712
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.400
starting Oscar winner Michelle Yoh. That is a Star Trek

713
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.039
film that is an hour and thirty minutes.

714
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.320
I am aware. I'm aware because I saw a lot

715
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.480
of posts where people said this isn't good, it's not

716
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:01.960
good and bummed me out.

717
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.800
It make no mistakes. Twenty twenty four Star Trek possibly

718
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.360
one of the best years in Star Trek that we've had,

719
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.239
and they don't say that lightly in a very long time.

720
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:15.559
We got season two of Prodigy.

721
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.519
Yes, God was great.

722
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.719
What an extraordinary piece of writing. Oh, we got the

723
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.400
final season of Lower Decks, right, we got the final

724
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.119
season of Discovery did the best that you could. My son,

725
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.719
or rather my daughter, because Discovery is definitely my daughter,

726
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.639
my daughter, and that is always trying best or her best,

727
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:44.199
and I love her for it. No, we did not

728
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:50.199
get season two Strange New Worlds, but season three is yeah.

729
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.880
But yeah, we got those three wonderful pieces a Star

730
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.119
Trek and it was a very good year for Star Trek.

731
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.400
And you participated with Prodigy, participated with Lower Attacks, you

732
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.039
did not participate with Discovery. It's totally fine.

733
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.760
I don't even know what happens in Discovery. Sure, my

734
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.840
hope is they find things.

735
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:17.119
Discovery, yes, very much. This year season five yees to

736
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.679
discover things they do indeed discover. And then because the

737
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.199
show was canceled spontaneously. They added a twenty minute coda

738
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.480
that was like you kind of had a good ending

739
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:33.559
right there, and then you went because they didn't know

740
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:35.920
that they were getting canceled, got canceled, then added a

741
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:37.039
twenty minute coda.

742
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:44.000
A little bit too much, sure, okay, and.

743
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:48.599
Then we'll talk about this whatever or section thirty one.

744
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:53.519
Better or worse than them just adding that enterprise going

745
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.199
into the Nebula scene at the end of the last

746
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.719
episode of TOS.

747
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:04.400
Works words, I think, because that's not you know, them

748
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.159
doing that. You know, the original version of turn About

749
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.119
Intruder is still available. But you know, sometimes like whenever

750
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:14.079
Star Wars, like in the end of episode three, where

751
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:18.159
it's trying to tie things up just a little too neatly, sure,

752
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.000
because George Lucas forgot what happened in the rest of

753
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.159
Star Wars, and so he was like, oh right, Force

754
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:33.079
ghosts Oon is gonna learn this off screen? Okay, Oh yeah, right,

755
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:38.800
there's twins. What do we do over here? Come on,

756
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:41.880
we don't have time to wrap this thing up, right,

757
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:43.800
we do so too is the end of discovery, but

758
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:48.920
not to liticate discovering. Sure, try a whole bunch of things,

759
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.760
a lot of them didn't work. Then starting in season three,

760
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.840
found itself found a comfortable groove. Yeah, and that's and

761
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.280
then also pushed onto new territory. And whenever it was

762
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:03.920
whenever it stopped being beholden to what has come before

763
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.639
started doing its own thing, that's whenever the show sounds shined,

764
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:16.840
that's great. Lower decks, lower decks was great. Perfect my

765
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:21.880
buddy Weisee. Yeah, it did not like lower decks whenever

766
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.159
it first premiered, okay, because he was like, oh this

767
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:27.679
is Rick and Morty light, and I don't like my

768
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.039
star trek funny. He has now gone on to season

769
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.400
two and is like, this is good that. I think

770
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.960
that because Wes is as crotchety as I am whenever

771
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.119
it comes to this stuff. He likes lower decks. That

772
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.960
is very satisfying. I think season five was a really

773
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.960
lovely place to end on not overstaying it's welcome, Yeah,

774
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.599
because it would be very easy for it to keep

775
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.760
going and going and going, and suddenly the effect of

776
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.559
lower decks just kind of goes back and just kind

777
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:05.159
of goes out, and instead lower dex is now and

778
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:06.440
if they want to come back to it, if they

779
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.880
can come back to it, but right now, it ended

780
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.199
on the wonderful finale that we got. We got some

781
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:17.199
fun space time, Shenanigans. Beard's great.

782
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.400
It was great every every episode, just like a little

783
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.280
bit more. Facial hair was like one of my favorite

784
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.159
bits of anything I'd ever seen.

785
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:32.599
I loved it. Prodigy blew up what Star Trek could be. Yeah,

786
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:39.360
in big exciting ways. Yeah, really Timy wimy, very doctor

787
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.840
who very different. I very much liked it for it. Yeah,

788
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.079
repiloted a long existing legacy Star Trek character into and

789
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.519
gave him a lot of meat chewan acting wise, which

790
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:00.280
was very exciting doing its own different things. Thought it

791
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:01.199
was Robert Beltran.

792
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.960
That's right, too bad, too bad it with him, but.

793
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:07.920
Not just Robert Beltrn.

794
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.400
But uh you know Will whe oh Will Wheaton, you're right,

795
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.639
well we will we Wheaton too. Also, Yes, you're right,

796
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.000
you're right, You're right not toil like I don't know.

797
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.639
I love Chacote and feel sad.

798
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.000
Every rules and protigty. And that is a terrible thing

799
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.559
to say, because Robert Beltran is.

800
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.840
A bad guy exactly. Robert Beltran is a nasty man.

801
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:31.639
Checkot is like one of my favorite characters. I want

802
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:37.079
to sit, I want he and Prodigy is fantastic. It's

803
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.360
so good what happens? And you're right, we'll Wheaten too,

804
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.119
Like who gets to just like do interesting fun things?

805
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.920
Oh beautiful? You're right, you're right. It's been a few

806
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.480
months since I watched it. It was funny because as

807
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.679
someone who hasn't like seen all of Next Gen, I

808
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.320
was like, what's this? What's going on? And everyone was

809
00:47:58.360 --> 00:47:58.760
like oh.

810
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:03.440
I was like, I don't know what's matter. You just

811
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.599
got to meet a cool new character that's got weird vibes. Yeah,

812
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:08.960
I was right, what does Wesley does?

813
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:09.880
This happened to Wesley?

814
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:16.920
So yeah, yeaheah yeah yeah, you know, as a person

815
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.039
that is new or to star Trek in comparison to

816
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:25.360
me relatively, Yeah, how's my assessment of Trek in twenty

817
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:26.920
twenty four? Good? Bad?

818
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:27.960
Wrong?

819
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:29.199
Am I boneheaded?

820
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:30.679
Your assessment?

821
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:31.679
Yeah?

822
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.320
Not the no, right, I gotta tell you, yeah, the

823
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.639
truth of it. I didn't watch Discovery like we said,

824
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:43.400
I'm so. I loved Prodigy and Lower Ducks so much

825
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.760
like I and I agree with you on the Lower

826
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.679
Decks piece. I think that was just enough. It was perfect,

827
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.880
a great ending or ending that made me cry. I'm

828
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.679
glad that they got the space to do that literal

829
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:02.840
spaceflexion on those characters. I mean, it's interesting, your friend,

830
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:10.440
we've I also like we he I can under like I.

831
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.599
That is a great example, by the way of maybe

832
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.639
something isn't landing for you in its first season. What

833
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.159
a gift to be able to see it explored and

834
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:25.320
shifted and changed over time. You know, Kenny is closing

835
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.679
his blinds because the sun was right in his eyes.

836
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.440
That's what happens when I'm like Kenny and we're supposed

837
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.320
to record later, but can we just like do it now?

838
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:36.719
Follow the us?

839
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:43.559
If follow us all, because I you know, there's this

840
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:48.880
is the thing about characters, right like, Mariner starts out

841
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.360
a certain way. Everyone starts out a certain way. You

842
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.400
could go as far as to say really kind of

843
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.239
a little obnoxious, a little bit of a shed.

844
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.840
Heead right, which is part of like her like charm.

845
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.719
Yeah, and Mariner gets to become someone that keeps herself

846
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.639
while also like gaining her confidence in her community and

847
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:11.480
her love for people. Right like. And as I was

848
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.719
sitting there reflecting on it in that fifth season and

849
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:15.760
just thinking back on all that time. I was like,

850
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:21.840
what a beautiful, consistent and gentle transition that got to

851
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.400
be for that character. And you know, of course, like

852
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.440
in the Boilern and the other and like everyone else

853
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.880
goes through their own you know, shifts as well. But

854
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.400
I'm like looking at her as kind of like the

855
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.320
focus of it as an example, and like lower Decks

856
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:38.519
got to got to be to me an ideal television program.

857
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.760
I just truly got its story and it was funny

858
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:47.559
and it was so I'm I'm there. And Prodigy, on

859
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.639
the other hand, I could have seen for more seasons,

860
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.920
and I'm glad we got what we did. It was

861
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.639
so thoughtful and it was so kind and it was

862
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.199
so fun and it was interesting and everybody like, oh god,

863
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.079
it was meaty, and I wish it could have had

864
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:04.559
more And that's okay.

865
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.519
Truly, truly, twenty twenty four was an embarrassment of riches

866
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.320
for Great Star Trek. Yeah, and then twenty twenty five

867
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.840
we go Star Trek Section thirty one n Aspen.

868
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:14.599
Yeah.

869
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.800
As a Deep Space nine fan, yeah, you'll die for

870
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.559
Deep Space nine? What is what is section thirty one

871
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:25.960
to you? I don't know, Oh, I do know.

872
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:27.920
Oh my god. I don't know what I was like thinking.

873
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:29.119
I was like, I thought, we're talking about the.

874
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.199
I think I think that that is a great answer

875
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.000
to what is Section thirty one to you? I don't

876
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.639
know actually answer. I think that is true.

877
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.760
It's the CIA thing, the CIA of star Trek of

878
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.840
Starfleet or the FBI type of like, yeah, that's what

879
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:48.440
it is to me.

880
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.360
It's like it's even it's even darker. It's it's like

881
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:56.599
black ops. No one knows about it. It's so secret. Yeah,

882
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.960
it's off the books, right, the Federation doesn't even necessary

883
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.559
know about it, but it exists.

884
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.679
It's like a little like it's very kind of X

885
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:10.840
filesy to me, which is fun. So I don't know

886
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.480
if I'm like excited for it, but like I think

887
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.000
I'm excited for the potential of it. Like have I

888
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.719
ever thought about Section thirty one? No, which is like

889
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:22.800
this goes to show mey being like what are we talking?

890
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:23.280
Right?

891
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.840
That's right, because we've even talked about this show as

892
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.320
it was coming up, and I forgot maybe that's part

893
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:29.440
of it.

894
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.559
Actually thirty one. They wanted to do a Section thirty

895
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.079
one show for a while or something with Section thirty

896
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:42.679
one because fundamentally, I firmly believe the faults that are

897
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.960
in charge of Star Trek are embarrassed about Star Trek

898
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.199
and they're able to wrap their minds around Section thirty

899
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.559
one because are like, I don't understand utopia, but I

900
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.840
do understand like a fucking black ops thing because shit

901
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.079
is dark, and I understand how to write for drama.

902
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.480
I understand how to write for dark because dark is drama. Dark, dark, dark, dark.

903
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:06.800
I gabe it.

904
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.679
Maybe that's why I'm a little bit like hesitant, because

905
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.719
I'm like, doesn't happen to me? I don't know.

906
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.960
And so we see, and so we see, like start

907
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.320
trek into darkness. They use Section thirty one as just

908
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.960
kind of a catch all for evil government, and then

909
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.559
in Discovery they use section thirty one as a catch

910
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:29.639
all for evil government, and then this one they use

911
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.719
it as a catch all for suicide squad. Gotcha, not

912
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.119
even the good the suicide squad. They use it as

913
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.599
a catch all for suicide squad.

914
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.119
Not even the good that the suicide squad.

915
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:51.199
Yeah yeah, and you see, you see, here's what does

916
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:55.519
work in its favor. It is not beholden to member berries.

917
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.760
Section thirty one is extremely self contained, which Sir Cool

918
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.360
rules for the most part for sure. And then Michelle

919
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.800
Yo is great. Yeah she shouldn't be this great. Yeah

920
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:13.199
she's great. Other than that, every single thing in it

921
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:21.440
is so generic. Yeah you have seen it elsewhere, huh,

922
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:25.000
in a thousand different things. It is so uninterested in

923
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:29.440
doing anything that is new, and it is so uninterested

924
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.320
in doing anything that you haven't seen before. And it's

925
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:38.440
so it is so over edited, it is so it

926
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.039
is so bland, it is so over edited, it is

927
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:45.079
cut to pieces, it is so bland, it's so flavorless

928
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.719
that I'm wondering who is this for. The answer is

929
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.559
is it a contractual obligation? Is this from people that

930
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:59.280
are just like the Star Trek? Shit is embarrassing? I

931
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.079
can I that thought.

932
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.519
By the way, we gotta stop. We gotta stop being

933
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.239
embarrassed by things that we love just because they might

934
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:12.480
not yeah, because they're they're nice, or even if they're

935
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.719
not nice. This is not related to Star Wars or

936
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.440
Star Trek. But I started reading of Court of Thorns

937
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.440
and Flowers, the Court of Thorn and Flowers like a

938
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.800
court of misted and fury, like they're these series that

939
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:30.360
are like fairy romance novels basically with you know, politics

940
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.199
and war and intrigue kind of stuff.

941
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:32.480
Whatever.

942
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.760
I started reading them, Hey, I'm having a great time.

943
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.360
Like it's a little like eating popcorn and they're fun

944
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:44.280
and they're books that yeah, like exactly popcorn is good,

945
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.400
Like I'm sorry, I'm not reading like a Tale of

946
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.599
Two Cities anyway. The people who like were like, hey,

947
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.519
I think you'd be really into this, like just let

948
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.320
me know because I love it. Kept being like I promise,

949
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.480
like the other books are better, like is it okay?

950
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.320
Like it's not that great? And I was just like,

951
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:05.800
why have we been made to feel embarrassed? Like yeah,

952
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:10.679
if you're watching like dangerous bullshit and like misogynistic racist shit, yeah,

953
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.079
be embarrassed, but like fucking be embarrassed for the thing

954
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:18.360
that you love, Like be okay with like sincerity and

955
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:22.239
authenticity and the fact that there's like sex in these books,

956
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.840
Like that's okay. Don't you don't have to feel ashamed

957
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:26.079
for that. Jesus Christ.

958
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:26.320
Yeah.

959
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:29.559
Anyway, that part of that's because they're, you know, it's

960
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.199
kind of books that women are and fem people like that.

961
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.400
We like associate with them and then we hate those

962
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.440
things that women like. So whatever. Anyway, sorry, I just

963
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.719
have that as a quick aside about like this like

964
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.039
bullshit of like we should be embarrassed for our utopian

965
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.480
like joy and our potentiality and we've got to be

966
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.199
like this is bad and you know, and that's where

967
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.239
real drum is book off.

968
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:56.559
It makes it makes me sad. I mean, Alex Kurtzman

969
00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.000
shouldn't be in charge of Star Trek to begin with

970
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.360
Star Trek, the Star Trek that we know and love

971
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.239
the concept, Alex Kurtzman. Yes, okay, great, you're looking up

972
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.639
who Alice Kurtzman is. I'm so excited for you to

973
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:13.239
find out what the credits you obviously just see Alice

974
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:14.079
Kurtzman's credits.

975
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:21.159
Okay, sleep a show I saw. Well, yeah, so he

976
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.400
would be the producer on things like lower decks and stuff,

977
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.320
obviously because he's in the Star Trek stuff. Okay, let

978
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:26.800
me go back, let me go back farther, let me

979
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.519
go manifeld Earth. What are these things? What are these things?

980
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.840
He's a producer of these things, The Mummy, Sleepy Hollow,

981
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:40.280
the show very right now, you see me too, producer limitless?

982
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:48.559
What am I looking for there's amazing Spider Man two exactly, exactly,

983
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:54.239
Transformers exactly, start checking to darkness. Oh but the show Fringe,

984
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:57.119
I kind of like Fringe a lot Cowboys and Aliens.

985
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.840
That's funny. Original executive producer on the like not original,

986
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.400
but like the jj Abram Star Trek Okay.

987
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.440
Yeah, yes, and he was part of the brain trust

988
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.719
that brought Star Trek back in two thousand and nine. Okay,

989
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:17.840
Alice Kurtzman makes dumb things. Okay, you look at his career. Yeah,

990
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.599
he makes dumb things. Yeah, yeah, Scorpy Star Trek, Star

991
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.960
Trek can be dumb. But by the time that Star

992
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:28.440
Trek came back, m I think Star Trek had the

993
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:32.400
conception of it's a little bit it's a little bit

994
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:36.639
high brow, it's a little bit aero dyite, it's a

995
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:41.039
little bit sophisticated. You still meet like you still have

996
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:45.840
Captain Kirk like fight a cat, and then you have

997
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:48.639
like Picard played Diehard and Cisco get into a bare

998
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:51.880
knuckle boxing brawl with Q. Yeah, so it's not a

999
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.199
prey to be stupid. But at the same time, Star Trek,

1000
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.760
you're like, ah, thoughts, it's about politics and ideas. Yeah,

1001
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.719
Alice Kurtzman is not the guy that you bring in

1002
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:07.639
to overlook that stuff. He is not an ideas guy.

1003
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:13.320
I think he is a studio man that's a steadyish

1004
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.440
hand that is willing to bring things in the way

1005
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.039
that the studio wants them. But it never turns out

1006
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.880
quite well, which is why it's a miracle that twenty

1007
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:26.960
twenty four Star Trek turned out extremely well because Prodigy,

1008
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:30.079
which got canceled, Lower Decks, which is done in Discovery,

1009
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:37.400
which is done, and then section thirty one feels like

1010
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:43.480
the it feels like it feels like the Catharsis of

1011
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.199
a whole bunch of people who are like this Star

1012
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.079
Trek stuff. Finally we get to do something that I

1013
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:53.159
want to do. Yeah, this isn't for dorks, This isn't

1014
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.639
for nerds. This is for cool people. And so you

1015
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:01.000
feel the postmodern influences, but it's so bland, it's so edgeless,

1016
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:07.880
it's not really saying anything. What visceral values that there

1017
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.320
are are so uninteresting. I don't care what it does

1018
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.840
to Canon. I never care about what it does to Canon.

1019
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:18.239
Who cares? I think if you care about that, you're

1020
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.119
doing yourself an inherent disservice as opposed to opening yourself

1021
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.199
to the idea that it might be presenting something new

1022
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:25.960
in terms of artistic value, or in terms of trying

1023
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:27.760
to move you into thinking about the world in a

1024
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:29.880
different way, or some sort of feeling that it's trying

1025
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:31.880
to evoke. And I don't know what the feeling is

1026
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.239
that it's trying to evoke. You're outside of watching Michelle

1027
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:40.079
Yo do extremely good acting. She is giving so much

1028
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:44.039
more performance than this movie deserves. And it's very unfortunate

1029
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.960
that it is so bland is It is like flavorless pudding,

1030
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.719
and even then whenever you're tasting the pudding, you're like

1031
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:58.400
the textures off on this mm hm. And it's really

1032
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.000
unfortunate because there's some think good that could be there

1033
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:07.880
in mining the cost of utopia, because also this iteration

1034
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.880
of Star Trek is so beholden to the words of

1035
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.960
this is a utopian ideal, but whenever you look at

1036
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.880
what the actions are, it really wants to cut loose

1037
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:24.880
and just be its own thing. Strange New Worlds has

1038
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:31.639
managed to find that balance. Discovery did what it did

1039
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.079
as best as it could, and whenever it was able

1040
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:35.559
to do its own thing and kind of throw that

1041
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:38.679
utopia shit to the background. Then it became its own

1042
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.079
thing and it got better because of that. I don't

1043
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.239
care if Star Trek is trying to hold to Roddenberry's vision.

1044
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.719
As we've talked at length, that's been Yeah, rotden Berry

1045
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.920
was an opportunist. Yeah, that fell backwards into something that

1046
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.440
people chibed with. I wanted to be good on its

1047
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:56.880
own turn.

1048
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.000
You know, as you were saying, I was thinking to myself.

1049
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.320
I was like, you know, we're here being like like

1050
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.119
I was thinking, goodness. This film could have been an

1051
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:16.920
interesting discussion on what is sacrificed for that supposed utopia,

1052
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:23.840
Like what does that mean? And yeah, like sort of

1053
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:28.000
having a sort of face. I don't like the conservative

1054
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.400
bent of like freedom, is it free? Because I don't

1055
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.440
that's not whatever going for here. It's more like challenging

1056
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:41.519
our notions of you know, these concepts. And it could

1057
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:43.400
have been I didn't watch the movie, but it sounds like,

1058
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.239
you know, if that's what's going to happen here, it's

1059
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:46.639
not just for like, it could have been more than

1060
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:49.199
just like flashy, flashy boom boom. It could have been

1061
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:50.280
that kind of conversation.

1062
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.280
But the first imagine the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie,

1063
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.239
all the stuff that you love about it just kind

1064
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:02.239
of well it doesn't. You see the mechanics of it,

1065
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:03.239
but you're like, right.

1066
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.840
Right, there's no heart, there's no actual thing to it.

1067
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:10.960
It's just all aesthetics. It's just aesthetics. Yeah, And I

1068
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:14.480
and I think that is the thing like good creators

1069
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.840
can still because I was thinking, oh maybe there is

1070
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.519
something here of like the opportunistic piece of it. It's like, well,

1071
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:24.079
we just want to throw something out there that is

1072
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.719
like Transformers as flash and like that's the thing that

1073
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:30.920
makes us the money right now, given like the way

1074
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:37.320
people consume the media, but I think we've things have

1075
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.559
proven time and time again that like if they are

1076
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:45.159
genuinely good, like and they don't have a huge fucking

1077
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:49.400
like campaign against them, people will watch it engage with

1078
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.119
them and want to watch it engage with them.

1079
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.800
People want to watch something that is good. Yes, people

1080
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.280
found their way to the Bear. The Bear was a

1081
01:03:57.639 --> 01:03:58.639
slow burn hit.

1082
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:03.480
Yeah, yeah, people want to watch good things. They want

1083
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.559
to Yeah, Like you can feel if something's empty, even

1084
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.440
if you're not like looking for it, Like a statement

1085
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:11.440
to be made because.

1086
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.360
Like, shoot to go back to your transformers as flash.

1087
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.400
I own multiple copies of the two thousand and nine

1088
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.920
Star Trek movie. That movie. It's a good movie.

1089
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:19.679
Yeah.

1090
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.239
Is it dumb as a back of cats? Sure? Yeah,

1091
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.960
but it's fun, dude, it's good on its own terms. Duh.

1092
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:30.760
It's fun.

1093
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.239
Yeah. Yeah, Like, stop being embarrassed of this stuff and

1094
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:36.280
just do what you want.

1095
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:43.440
Yeah, just do this thing, My god, that's really Anyways.

1096
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:46.559
What we have to look forward to is season three

1097
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.679
is strange, New worlds exciting, and also what we have

1098
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.679
to look forward to is Starfleet Academy and starring Holly Hunter.

1099
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:57.159
What if a grumpy little shorty was in charge of Starfleet?

1100
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:01.920
Love that me? And I'm in charge of Starflake. Oh

1101
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.599
I'm in charge of star Flake.

1102
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:07.199
Ma, Well I guess that's true. And we're just gonna

1103
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.880
have to stop acting like a long tailed cat in

1104
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:11.400
a room full of rock and tears, and let's just get.

1105
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:19.599
This together and go, oh gosh, go get me a starflake, Go.

1106
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.440
Get me a startling, Go give me a Starfley. Do

1107
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.400
you remember, really Hunter in the Big Sick? What a

1108
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:26.280
great rule?

1109
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:32.960
Do you want to get the pizza? Fuck? Yes, she

1110
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:34.920
should have wanked that in an Oscar nomination for that.

1111
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.880
She's so good in that movie. She's so good, Oh

1112
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:43.239
my god. And also Rare Ramono Raremona is phenomenal in

1113
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:44.440
that movie What did You Do?

1114
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:51.360
What did You Do? I know we talked about its funny,

1115
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.960
but I always think about that joke, the like, so

1116
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:03.840
nine to eleven, what about it? He's like, well, just

1117
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:05.840
you know, it's just like, yeah, we a lot. It's

1118
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:06.480
still lot of good.

1119
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:09.280
It's so funny.

1120
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.360
Anyway, looking forward.

1121
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.039
To her, looking forward to her being in Star Trek

1122
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:24.079
or her Apologiamodi so phenomenal, very excited for that set

1123
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:29.480
in Discovery Universe, which I'm very very excited about, brand new.

1124
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.719
Brand new, But in Discovery Diverse, yeah, okay.

1125
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.800
We get Tilly. It sounds like they're carrying over the

1126
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:40.679
best parts of Discovery. Okay, and hopefully it gets to

1127
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:42.480
do its own thing.

1128
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.199
It's gonna say it sounds like Star Trek. Star Trek

1129
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.960
gets to still be contextualizing time and space and near

1130
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:52.840
and do it. Yeah, it gets to be its own thing.

1131
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:58.320
That's fine, well, Discovery.

1132
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:01.000
In season three of Discovery, they shop forward from the

1133
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:03.400
twenty third century because the show was said like ten

1134
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:06.599
years for the original series. They were bending over backwards

1135
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:08.320
to make it make sense in Cannon, and I was

1136
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.280
just like, this is hurting the show. And the third

1137
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:13.599
season threw themselves all the way into the thirty first century,

1138
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.519
all the way after established Cannon, so it was able

1139
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.880
to do completely new things. And once it was able

1140
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.559
to do that, then it was. It was. It was

1141
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:27.000
separated from all this embarrassing Star Trek shit, and suddenly

1142
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:32.199
Utopia wasn't a thing anymore. And I was like, Okay,

1143
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:33.719
this is unexpected, but we'll see.

1144
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:35.000
And it was.

1145
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:37.679
It was making a real argument for the value of

1146
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:41.400
Utopia in these dark and desperate times. And I was like,

1147
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.639
all right, man, here we go. We're doing right, okay.

1148
01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:49.159
And then the Star Wars.

1149
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.800
Yeah, I'm looking at twenty twenty five Star Wars. We're

1150
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:56.960
going to get and or season two, which I have

1151
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.800
to hope is going to be fucking incredible. Mm hm,

1152
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.760
bad Batch wrapped up again. I need to watch We

1153
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:09.039
got Star Wars visions again, so we gotta that'll be

1154
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:09.639
really fun.

1155
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:16.079
I haven't watched any of visions. Should I watch visions? Wow?

1156
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:17.399
What are bringing? Endorsement?

1157
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.960
I didn't watch it either. I'm realizing I was like,

1158
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.920
I need to like check I might have actually, no,

1159
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.560
you know I didn't. I didn't actually because I know

1160
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.880
it was actually fairly anime esque, like anime.

1161
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.760
Trix esque, and you hate animation.

1162
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.880
I do. I famously think that live action is always

1163
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.119
a better, uh version, so I probably should. I think

1164
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.560
it'll probably be really interesting. But it sounds like I

1165
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:49.359
didn't go back to their anime roots.

1166
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.079
Use season two coming this year.

1167
01:08:52.920 --> 01:09:00.520
I'm looking it's not returning until twenty twenty six, and

1168
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.119
then there's comics. Of course, it looks like there's gonna

1169
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:06.640
be so there'sn't like a ton coming that's really kind

1170
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:07.119
of interesting.

1171
01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:09.840
It was like stuff and you know what, because Disney

1172
01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.239
was like, there's too much Star Wars, we got to

1173
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:14.479
scale back, and so I think they were only going

1174
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.279
to commit to one thing a year. I know, know,

1175
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:19.520
we've got Mandalorian and Grogu the Mandalorian movie coming at

1176
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:20.560
some point, which.

1177
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:26.800
There's going to be that hot stinky hots stinky so

1178
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:31.000
funny to me. Yeah, there's gonna be Mando Verse movie.

1179
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.159
There's of course going to be James Mangold Star Wars

1180
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:37.279
movie there's gonna be a new Jedi Order movie from

1181
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:40.800
charmine O Bay CHINOI that's cool, Daisy, really see if

1182
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.720
that happens. Yeah, we'll see if it happens, if better

1183
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:49.760
fucking happened. And then yeah, apparently there's some Star Wars

1184
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:54.800
trilogy stuff in the future. Yeah, maybe tagaway t. I

1185
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:56.960
don't know who knows what they happen or not.

1186
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:02.159
Man, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, I wouldn't. The main

1187
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:05.680
Gold thing is very exciting. I think I secretly become

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a James Mangold fan because he just keeps consistently delivering

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four star movies for me. Four stars out of five stars.

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Uh freaking Dial of Destiny should not have worked. And

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01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:20.079
you and me were right there next to each other

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01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.960
being like, are we watching Indiana Jones movie not directed

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01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:27.000
by Steven Spielberg that is working? I really I like it.

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It's I still haven't seen a complete unknown. I have seen.

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Versus Ferrari fundamentally is a movie that shouldn't work, and

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I was just being like, yeah, for you beat those

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01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.439
people that are hand crafting cars individually.

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That's also a movie where I was like, I don't

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want to see this, he's just dumb, and I was like,

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01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:57.880
I'm so invested. It's great Logan. I freaking love Logan.

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Interesting me and gold Mike just be that kind of

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01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:05.119
director that is able to deliver incredibly solid movie or

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01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:11.560
solid more than solid, very good movies. Yeah, understatement interstate.

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Yeah, I'm into it. And it's something new and different

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and weird, like the beginning, like the sort of like

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origins biblical and scope. That's fun.

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01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.760
Look, I know I don't care about canon, but if

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01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.880
they don't bring in one of my favorite pieces from

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01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.880
Star Wars Legends Cannon, which is the lightsabers with the

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01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.000
power chords, I'm gonna lose my mind.

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01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:36.560
Lightsabers of power cords? Is that kind of like a

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01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.199
Hitachi long.

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01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:41.199
In the tails of the Jedi comic book series, you

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01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:47.000
see old old Jedis and their lightsabers are attached to

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their belts and they have power cord to them, and

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01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.439
I that's just an image that has not gotten out

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01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:54.199
of my mind. I think that that's so cool.

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01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.119
I think it's cute. That makes sense, and then you

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01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.880
don't lose them as easily because they're still attached to you.

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01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.479
On a court, it's so easy to lose lightsabers apparently.

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01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.399
Yeah, I'm a little bit. I'm gonna be honest with you.

1222
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:11.800
I'm into this, like scale it back a little. I

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01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.359
think what happened was I got overwhelmed. I got like

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01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:15.600
super overwhelmed by it.

1225
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.039
All Star Wars feel.

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01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:22.439
Flooded by everything. To be honest, I feel flooded by everything.

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01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.279
You know what I want to do though, so bad

1228
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.560
is I'm so close to Disneyland. I want to go.

1229
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.640
I want to go to Galaxies Edge. I just want

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01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:32.640
to go Scalcy's Edge.

1231
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:38.520
That's great, you stupid idiot. But Universal their fan past

1232
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.560
night where they're going to have an enterprise D there. Oh,

1233
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:45.000
you'll just be a hot skip and a jump from

1234
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:47.039
standing on on the D.

1235
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:49.760
Okay, get on that D.

1236
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.279
You want me to get on that D. I want

1237
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:54.520
you to ride that please? Okay.

1238
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:58.880
I know you texted me this, so I'll look into

1239
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:02.800
that too. I can do two things, Kenny, I can

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01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:03.159
do it.

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01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:05.800
As the premise of our podcast, we're trying to answer

1242
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:07.880
the ultimate question of bandon which is better Star Trekers

1243
01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:12.199
are Aspen? You could you could rate Galaxy's Edge versus

1244
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.960
the one Star Trek ride at Universal Studios.

1245
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:22.439
Incredible, incredible, I should No one will go to Disneyland

1246
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:22.800
with me.

1247
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:27.720
I'd go, but I don't live in California. I know,

1248
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:29.239
I know.

1249
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:32.319
I'm considering just like going alone.

1250
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:36.199
Do it so you wouldn't have to worry about anyone

1251
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:37.800
else has been That's true.

1252
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:40.920
That's true. I'm thinking about just like going on a Thursday,

1253
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.239
just taking the day off wonderful, just so you know,

1254
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.520
just everybody, so everybody knows my research here like different

1255
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:50.840
like there's different ticket prices on different days and different months,

1256
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:53.880
and like there's a pretty cheap like it's like one

1257
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.000
hundred and four versus like getting up to the one

1258
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:58.119
sixty two hundreds for other days, like at the end

1259
01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:00.479
of February on like a random Thursday, And I'm.

1260
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:01.239
Like, that could be me.

1261
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:06.319
I could go. You could just go to Disneyland and

1262
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:13.439
be happy. So yeah, yeah, that's that's a goal. That's

1263
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:15.760
a twenty twenty five goal. Go to Galaxy's Edge and

1264
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:23.079
just be like, I'm here this it all. So did

1265
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:23.479
we do it?

1266
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.199
I think we did do I think we done didn't

1267
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:29.199
do it? We done didn't do it? Yeah, the state

1268
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:34.520
of the franchise, Uh, say what you will It's always interesting,

1269
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:38.640
that's true, even with this stupid Alex Kurtzman era. That

1270
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:43.039
Star Trek is in very interesting. It's been, it's been

1271
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:46.760
lots of peaks and valleys. Twenty twenty four was a

1272
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:49.680
real peak year, and who knows what we're about to

1273
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.520
enter into a valley here. Either way, it'll be interesting.

1274
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:55.640
Statement on the world, Cirk twenty twenty five.

1275
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:02.279
And yeah, you can only hope that art will save us.

1276
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:07.560
Speaking of saving us, once you go ahead and contribute

1277
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:09.960
five bucks to our Patreon on patreon dot com, slash

1278
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:12.880
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1279
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:16.079
for five dollars a month, you could get early versions

1280
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:19.319
of these episodes and extended versions of these episodes, and

1281
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:23.159
you know, just help us pay the bills. Every single

1282
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:25.479
bit counts. And you can also sign up for our

1283
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:29.079
dollar tier where we will literally just say your name

1284
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.800
on the air and YouTube could join the fine houses

1285
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:37.439
of fine folks such as Timbo, Dessa, Heidi Rogers, Oh boy,

1286
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:38.720
who are they?

1287
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:40.439
Who are they? Kenny?

1288
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:43.239
There are patrons.

1289
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:50.560
Are patrons as if we are tiny little children in

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01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:54.439
fifteen hundreds Italy and we sing little songs and we

1291
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:56.199
are given money by our patrons.

1292
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:01.880
That's correct. I'm usually so good at this stuff, but

1293
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:04.600
I have to have I can do so much of

1294
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.960
this stuff off the top of my head, but I

1295
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.359
have to have the patron with That's okay.

1296
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:13.239
Up here, that's okay. I clearly am not even helping you.

1297
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.239
We could be painting paintings of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1298
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.960
and our patron is the Catholic Church. Is that weird?

1299
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.000
You too could join the fine Auspice as a fine folk,

1300
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.920
such as Timbo to Sosa, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller, Arizona,

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01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:32.199
Mark Austin, Aaron Harper about about Cactus. And lastly, but

1302
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:36.560
certainly not leastly Jolty Partner, who composed our I starship

1303
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:38.960
at theme song that we did not hear this episode,

1304
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:42.720
but that's okay. We'll be back to it next next episode.

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01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:45.359
Our theme song and ending song was composed by mister

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01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:47.640
Chustin Ali Festo. If you would like to hear more

1307
01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:51.079
of his music, please visit the show notes below, click

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01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:54.039
on the link that is his name and enjoy all

1309
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:57.079
of his work. If you would like to reach us

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01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:01.479
on a non Patreon method, us Uptrek Warspod at gmail

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01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.000
dot com also on Blue Sky at Track Wars pod

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01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.079
as well, and Asmen lives in Los Angeles, so just

1313
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:10.920
knock on every single door, Asmen's bound to be behind

1314
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:11.359
one of them.

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01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:16.680
Oh boy, like that, that's scene in love. Actually you'll

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01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:19.880
find me cool.

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01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:20.880
Anything else happened?

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01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:23.800
No, man, I think that's great. That's good.

1319
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:26.600
I freaking love you so much.

1320
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:28.760
Thanks, look at us.

1321
01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.760
I'm excited for our podcast, and I'm excited for our

1322
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:31.800
continuing friendship.

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01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:33.399
I love you.

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01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:37.399
I love you too, audience, we love you. May the

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01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:39.199
Force be with you and been.

1326
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:53.600
Following a prosper I haven't seen baby Girl yet.

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Wow,