Nov. 2, 2024

Storm Over Ryloth vs. Requiem for Methuselah

Storm Over Ryloth vs. Requiem for Methuselah

Why does Star Trek's utopianism grate against Aspen?

This week, Kenny and Aspen talk at length about where the hell the ideals of Star Trek and the cynicism of Star Wars come from. Storm Over Ryloth slows down Star Wars to give us a beautiful...

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Season 1

Why does Star Trek's utopianism grate against Aspen?

This week, Kenny and Aspen talk at length about where the hell the ideals of Star Trek and the cynicism of Star Wars come from. Storm Over Ryloth slows down Star Wars to give us a beautiful character piece about failure.

Meanwhile, Requiem for Methuselah shouldn't work, but Kenny and Aspen try to figure out why.We also talk Grievous, Vader, and ableism and if art should live in a context-less vacuum. Finally, we get frustrated at Star Wars fanbois hating the Holdo Maneuver when Storm Over Ryloth has the same maneuver (albeit, much, much slower).

Truly a F-aspen-ating episode.

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Welcome to the Track Wars podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Trek or Star Wars, by going through

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both franchises in chronological release order.

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My name is Kany Madison.

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I am the Star Trek contingent with me Asper always

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as an executive co host.

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Aspend Webster Star Wars contingent an executive bitch.

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And you're wondering where you've seen Aspen before, you must

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realize that Aspen wrote a waltz.

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I wrote the first Bible, painted the p Trouvian man Yep,

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invented the wheel.

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Also I invented the flying machine. Also the faded carsage

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London to the ground.

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Yeah.

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I also did a cool uh. I did a cool

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ship maneuver where I turned my ship on its side.

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Also had a blockade on a planet. I'm so famous,

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you'd never know.

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Asen like a storm coming in to a planet. That's right,

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we're talking about Requiem for Matthews Levet from Star Trek

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the Original series, season three versus Storm over Ryloth from

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Star Wars the Clone Wars season one.

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Yeah. Yeah, I'm not an executive bitch. I've been feeling

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bad while saying that for the last two minutes.

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Exactly, that's what your position is.

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But like cool, like a cool bitch man, like a

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witch bitch an executive witch bitch Oby.

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That's absolutely fine, witchitch baby. Right, thanks, You're welcome.

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Asking shall we get to snasis for people that are

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playing the home game.

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Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh,

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am I starting? Are you starting?

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I'm starting?

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Okay?

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Uh for the TV guide, Uh start.

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In nineteen sixty nine, WIM from Methuselah, the men of

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the Enterprise intrude on a private paradise inhabited by two

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remarkable individuals, Flint, a man of extraordinary scientific and artistic accomplishments,

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and Flint's beautiful word raina superbly educated but completely insulated

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from all human emotions. Qreciam for Methuselah, written by Jerome Bigsby,

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first aired.

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I Got It, I got It, You got It, You got.

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It, directed by Murray Golden and first aired. I'm sure

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that it was in January of nineteen sixty nine.

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I believe you. I know it's nineteen sixteen nine. We Went,

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We Went, dude in nineteen sixty.

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Nine, even Steven has just passed me over completely.

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It's wild to me.

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Valentine's Day.

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This episode premiere February fourteenth, nineteen sixty nine.

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That's truly the most romantic thing you could have released

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on that day.

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I don't know, Aspen. We got Storm over Ryloff coming up.

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still in the month of February, so pretty close.

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It's wild.

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I mean, if you're talking about a real love story,

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and the love story is about believing in yourself when

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it comes to getting people killed, really it does what

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what what? They'll be Okay, they'll be fine, can I

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I know we'll get into this when I get into

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the like behind into the scenes, I think I do,

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but I uh. And also definitely first impression stuff, deep

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dive things. But I was like, this episode is doing

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it for me. There's obviously stuff happening that we can

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talk about, but it's doing it for me in the

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way that when you watch something and you're like, yeah,

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this is good, like versus when you watch something and

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you're like right, And I looked at I looked up

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and I realized Jerome Bicks, we wrote Mirror mirror you

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wrote Dated the Dove. Like, I'm like, oh, so that's

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an extremely composite well wrote things with DC Fontanay, but

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like it realized a very competent writer, you know, get

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star Trek, you know, and like has interesting ideas. And

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I was like, okay, no good. You see, Like even

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if it's like, oh, that was pretty good, at least

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we're like exploring concepts, you know, yes.

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get into this.

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much exploration of things, right.

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There is a little bit there is a little bit

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of like I am a I'm a thirsty man in

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the desert. Oh boy, a storm over Ryloth Clone Wars

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Star Wars. Clone Wars released February twenty seventh, two thousand

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and nine. What if it would have been Nope, not

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that year, leave here and come in February twenty ninth.

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That would have been cool anyway, let's see. And it

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was written by well, Henry Gilroy is a series writer.

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Who is that one? Oh is George Christick, who's the

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writer writer on this one? And then it was directed

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by Brian Colin O'Connell extremely Irish name. Here is our description.

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The Separatives have invaded the Twilight home planet of Ryloth,

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hence storm over Ryloth. I believe this is the first

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of three. In this little arc, Anakin and Ahsoka lead

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a squadron of fighters against a trade generation battleship commanded

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by Namoidian Captain Martuk. More specifically, this is not going

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into it in the way that I want it to. First,

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Ahsoka leads a squadron of fighters, and the propelling force

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of this episode is that she loses most of her

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squadron due to not following orders and kind of acting recklessly,

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and then she has to manage and deal with her guilt,

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her shame, and Anakin effectively actually is an extraordinary mentor

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leading into both his I'm getting into editorializing, but in

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terms of kind of reflecting on his own tendencies and

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then guiding her toward greater confidence with a new strategy.

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Rat episode the rest.

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But before we get into our deep dive, we got

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some correspondence to deal with.

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Guess like poetry. So if they rhyn.

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From Austin Aeron, let me get it make fun of us, for.

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We'll see.

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The subject line reads new song idea podcasters Delight.

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I'm entirely sure what that means.

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Fun podcaster's delight. Every day I'm listening to master Our Wars?

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Is that one? Is that what we want?

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That's right, you're listening.

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You never watch a single, always listening to bus Star Wars. Yeah,

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come on.

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Here we go. Hello from Austin. Hello.

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My head was full of normal questions, like if you

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had to pick a third franchise to add to this podcast,

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which would it be?

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Yeah?

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What about that one that I've never seen? What is

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it called again?

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Stargate?

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Nope, the other one, the other one, Doctor Who. It's

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also got it's got aliens, it's people in a ship.

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What do you start with? The Bee? Is the bee?

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B It's not Batlon five?

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Yeah, we would run out of things so fast.

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But also that'd be fun, but that's not the question again.

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Uh.

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Also I would.

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Add Batman because I'm on a Batman kick at the moment.

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And what does it mean that all the characters and

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Clone Wars are so.

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Caked up as then full of makeup bloptious? They ave

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the really smooth they got a lot of smooth spece.

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It means that they got a lot of But.

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Do you think that's what that means?

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You're right in and tell us what you mean with

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it's so kicked up.

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But then I heard the post credits chat last week

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and I got derailed.

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He listens all the way through. Yeah, that's really funny.

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I didn't know anybody did.

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I do love the single screen theaters and the cool

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things they've been showy in Austin.

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Not Sparatus Silence.

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Sincd At the Millennium was great, But note to all

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the introductions, slinging and speech making proprietors of those venues.

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Stop.

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Context providing should always happen after a work of art,

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never before.

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Disagree. This is a hill I will die on.

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If you made something cool or want an audience to

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understand the time at which a piece of art was made,

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provide a talkback session or panel after it's been seen.

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Don't give us an introduction, don't set the stage. Let

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the art speak for itself first, even if if it's

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your art. It's a choice to include or not include

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context within the art itself, and artists have to live

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with that choice. The art is that choice to some degree,

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and there is no way to provide true context to

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a piece through a singular introduction, because context is never

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going to be universal. We all have our own experiences

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outside of art. Let the audience have their own experience

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inside art. Thanks for letting me rant about a throwaway

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comment you made in the last thirty seconds of your podcast,

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A rabbit robot with a big ass, Austin Eron see

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it was having big butts. That's what it means about

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the worst characters.

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I say, kicked up, kicked up.

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I very much understand Austin's perspective. What do you think

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that's I agree? You agree with Austin Air.

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I agree with Are. I think it depends on the

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type of context we're giving. I'm thinking of like the

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Terror Tuesday Nights. I'm trying to remember what we were

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talking about with that, but the Terror Tuesday Nights at

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the Album draft House, I feel like there's a context

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of that is specific that because that is actually run

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by a guy who was collected like they as part

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of his collection, and his context is actually about his

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own Usually it's like kind of his personal experience with something,

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and I think that's very engaging. But I am of

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the opinion I am of a very similar opinion of

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I I like to like know a touch about what

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I want. I like to know what I'm kind of

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like sort of getting myself into. I think that art should. Okay,

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here's what I agree with him, what I'm trying to find,

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which is what he is sort of getting at as

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a touch of the death of the death of the

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artist kind of concept, which is, once you've put your

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art into the world, it belongs to the consumers of

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the art as well. So you might have had an

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intention for that art, and that is very valid. But

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if someone takes in your art and maybe takes it

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in a different way, that is also a very valid interpretation.

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This gets can get money. We of course, you know,

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we also can't control how people take in art, right,

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We cannot control that and we cannot dictate that once

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that our zone in the world.

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I'm thinking about what else Star Wars, sure, and the

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religious fervor that it is now revered as where you

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have to fit a very specific vision of what Star

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Wars is that thing that you and I talk about,

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which is what is the feeling of Star Wars.

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We know when we see it. Well, we can't precisely

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art all the time, even though you and me are

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like we want it to be in new and.

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Different directions, but at the same time because it existed

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in Amber for so long. Basically, yeah, it is this

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kind of religious idea as opposed in terms of like

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how the rest of Star Wars should be executed, as

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opposed to what Lucas intended as originally, which is just

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like I want to do a style exercise because it

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would be.

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Fun right well, and even the idea of Lucas once

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his work is out there getting to decide. I mean,

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Lucas himself is the one fighting back against this idea

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that he gets to just he got to decide the

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narrative after a certain point of being the ultimate arbiture

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of arbiter of what this is. And there's the like

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for better or worse kind of idea. But yeah, like

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to say, oh, we need to be true to this vision,

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and it's like this is what it is for you,

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And we do all explore and engage with these properties

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and very this property and in these different stories in

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very different ways. My favorite story about death of the

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author that I've told I'm sure before, and I will

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just tell you again because I think this is a

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really good example is the season two Flea Bag bit

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about how she in Flea Bags, she she breaks the

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fourth wall and turns to the audience and makes a comment.

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For the first whole season, it's just something she does.

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hot Priest and he can tell when he can tell

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when she breaks that fourth wall. He's like, what are

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you doing? Where'd you go? When I watched that? I

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took that in so holy and fully as he It's

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almost like her dissociated disassociation from the moment of her

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anxiety and her coping mechanism, and he can it's that

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he is so present with her that he can notice

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those moments of her trying to check out. Yeah, and

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that's how I took it. Phoebe while our Bridge came

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out later as being like, it's because he's close to God,

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and I was like, ah no, but that's what she intended.

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That's why. No, means how I took it in. And

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I got to tell you, his closeness to God means

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nothing to me but the idea of disassociation and someone

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being so present with you emotionally, that they're with you.

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That means everything to me, you know.

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And here's where I am for the notion of providing context,

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and I completely understand Austin Aaron's idea. I think not

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providing context would work with more traditional pieces of art,

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more recent pieces of art. And also for my birthday,

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I went to go see speed Racer, a movie that

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I brought a fair amount of friends to, and I

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was like, please, for my birthday, I want to watch

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speed Racer. And then the folks at Hyperreal Film Club

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provided the context of when speed Racer was released and

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how visionary that movie is and how how it has

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influenced so many things subsequently, even though it made like

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twelve dollars in a bottle of Ozarka at the box office.

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Oh not even not even Dashani Ozarka, which is really unfortunate.

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Couple that with a Terror Tuesday context providing where someone

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is providing how they love this.

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A thing within a specific time, explain kind of the

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context at the time, because something that is also present

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within an audience.

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Experience is the context of time.

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Die Hard in nineteen eighty nine is going to be

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is going to mean something different than watching Diehard for

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the first time in twenty twenty four.

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very right wing movie because it is still rules. But

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I guess, but I guess different.

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There is a difference so between like the cultural effects

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of a film and getting that context and standing up

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there in front of you and saying, watching die Hard

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here in twenty twenty four, you'll notice it's a very

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right wing film because of our current context versus how,

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you know what I mean? So I think there is

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a difference between being like this is the like that's

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those two things are very different things. I get to

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decide for myself watching die Hard how I'm relating to it,

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especially given its current context. Now I get to decide

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it for myself. So if someone said that that top

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I'd be like, Okay, maybe you know or I mean

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it robs me of it robs me of my.

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Experience of getting to like the historical context of how

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die Hard was made. When Diehard was made, maybe just

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like this was.

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In terms of his career, where John McTiernan was in

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terms of his career, how this movie was oddly at

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work or higher thing and just happened to be possibly

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the best.

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Action film of all time.

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I yeah, I wonder, I wonder this is. I think

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this is so interesting, Like maybe.

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I don't think there's a right answer. I think it's

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right case by case basis.

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Sure, Yeah, God, we should say something else that's wild

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in the last ten seconds.

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Agreed.

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I can't, even though I'd listen to every single episode,

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I kind of listen to the last thirty seconds.

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So that's really funny.

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We still have more correspond us to get to.

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Oh my god, I'm sorry. I just I was like, oh,

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this is that's really funny, because sometimes when I would edit,

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I'd like cut off what we were talk about because

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I thought it was a funny joke. And now I'm

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really saying that it's much better if we just leave

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it on.

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Thank you, Austin Aaron, And then we have a comment

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on our YouTube channel. Cute from Plato step Children versus

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Layer of Grievous. This is a fabulous content, by the way,

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from at Nathan You eighteen ninety nine, on the subject

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of grievous and disability. I know, right, I think he's

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somewhat emblematic of a somewhat troubling recurring motif throughout Star Wars.

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Star Wars will often use the imagery related to technology

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and industry to represent the forces of evil and natural

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imagery to represent the forces of good. See second Death

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Star versus Forest mood of endor. As to go back

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to Death Star versus Yavin, Yavin's taking place at a

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stone temple. Obviously, this plays into meaningful commentary about how

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imperialism will often use mass industry to prop themselves up,

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even at the expense of the health of the natural world. However,

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when this imagery is used in relation to the body,

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it becomes a bit more dicey. Both Grievous and Vader

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are associated with this motif of evil technology by showing

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it and replacing parts of their bodies. But this imagery

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can't help but evokes the idea of prosthetics and almost

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ends up painting prosthetics as themselves evil. This is really unfortunate,

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especially given that there's already a stigma against people who

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need those accommodations. It's likely rooted in existing ablest tropes

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around people with deformities as evil. I think we can

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see this really clearly in the two thousand and three

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Cold War series where Anakin's vision quest shows his fault

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to the dark side is explicitly tied to his robot hand,

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and whilst metaphorically interesting and visually striking, its implications are unfortunate.

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But bringing things back to the episode at hand, one

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of the things I like about this episode is the

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ambiguity of how Grievous came to be this way without

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direct reference to any kind of accident. In neatly sidesteps

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the disability issue. It becomes more of a parable of

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toxic self improvement.

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I give that three steps.

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For all we know, Grievous may have always been able

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bodied and simply valued the way his cybernetics made him

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more lethal. In this way, he's not only reflective of

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Fisto's former patawan, but perhaps with the war as a whole,

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all parties striving to become stronger and stronger at the

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expense of their own humanity. Grievous is a one man

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arms race.

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Oh what a cool, cool take.

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That comment is fire.

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The comment is fire, and I I think it's a yeah,

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it's a It's an extraordinarily interesting conversation. I wonder something

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that they said there kind of sparked for me, Like

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the idea of Grievous's origin, as I, you know, what

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is canon, but like I guess the story of it,

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which as I understand it to be, which is he

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was made to be this thing? Like what does that like?

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The kind of robbing of agency in that case, Like

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that kind of argument is actually very cool, and it

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does give him so much power over his own body,

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his own desire to move towards something. Yeah, that that

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beautiful phrase in there, the idea that it is taken

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away and he is now indebted through those cybernetics that

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is its own. That's that's actually a real horror. Not that,

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not the disability itself, but like the taking away. What

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is him for to take away his power even though

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he has he has this kind of physical power. What

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is that?

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You know?

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Taking away the sort of agency type of power? Yeah,

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is its own sort of conversation. But yeah, what a

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cool fire what fire comment?

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Yeah?

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I don't think that there's anything that I could add

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to that. What an extraordinarily insightful comment. And please keep

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writing in.

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Oh just say nice not you know, I say nice things,

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but say cool things.

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Guys.

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Do you guys you guys say cool things things.

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Why don't we go ahead and get into our first impressions?

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Yay, fire, we have a good episode, and we have

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like a great episode, an extraordinary episode.

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Yeah, yeah, something that I I'm a fan of, just

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in terms of surprising narrative, sparseness, a real character piece.

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Oh swarm over y Oh yeah, is super is although

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there is some interesting battle dynamics, but not battle dynamics

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for the sake of themselves, which I grew very bored with.

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I like when, sorry what I grew very.

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Bored with that.

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I grow very tired of battles, very tired. I'm just

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so tired of all these Star Wars.

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You know.

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What, I understand Clone Wars. The timber of Clone Wars changes,

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and it's not just Battle of the Week. Look, it

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seems to be a lot in this first season. And

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make no mistake, like I told you, I'm enjoying watching

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Clone Wars. And also, this was seven seasons of just

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kind of this. I get sleepy. I'm not sleepy. And

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this episode clearly is like, oh, we're doing something very different.

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Oh yes, here, dare I say.

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It is a little emblematic of Empire strikes back.

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Oh, oh my gosh, I can't believe. In fact, you dared.

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I know, not just in terms of the fact that

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Ahsoka loses, which eventually she wins, but just in terms

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of just in terms of an episode that is preoccupied

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more with putting the characters through an emotional journey as opposed.

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To plot stuff plot. We gotta have a plot happen.

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The plot is an extension of let's put this character

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through the ringer, which.

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Is in my quizit, in my opinion, is ideal. I

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am oh, I am oh, I am a chaw. Plot

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is characters wanting things and relationships. That's all it really is,

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and which is why, especially in a context of like

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a battle show or is it a war movie or

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something I I it's it would not be interesting to

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me if it were not driven by how it affects,

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Like the choices we make in these battles are affecting

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these people and the relationships to each other and what

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that means. Yeah, this is actually I feel like I

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kept hinting toward this episode for a while, like sometimes

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things would happen, I'd just be like, just you wait

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until like a boga gets everyone killed, Like it just

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fiks pretty fast. But yeah, it's a pretty beautiful episode.

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It's a it's a gorgeous episode, and I think indicative

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of I have a sneakst suspicion, it's negative of stopped

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to come.

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Yeah, I that kind of comment about the idea of

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if it were just this over and over again. I

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feel like it feels a lot like others shows that

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get to have their first season of sort of being like,

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this is an esta sablishing element. This is the idea,

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you know, like a Buffy.

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Where it's like the exact same thing.

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Yeah, I mean I think that's kind of like a

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really good example of it. Of like obviously the first

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season of Buffy rules. And then also it gets to

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grow and be so many more things. So people are

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often like it's bad. I'm like, it's not bad. It's

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just establishing something, and then you get to try out

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new ideas and yeah, and no spoilers, but like Clone

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Wars gets to have a lot of fabulously interesting arcs

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that are not just about these battles. It's about internal

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it's about turmoil, it's about finding pieces of who they are.

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It's just kind of it's just interesting stuff, I think,

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And so I'm now realizing why people typically rank Season

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one lowest. But it doesn't mean it's bad. It just

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means that it gets it gets to go become so extraordinary.

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Right that it's like, Wow, it's a good fire show,

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a fire show.

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I'm already committed to the premise of the podcast. I'm

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already committed to watching all the Clone Awards. I'm you

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don't need to convince me anymore every week.

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I'm so excited. What a good shot? Would you like

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the best? Would you like best episode?

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Tell me this is gonna se paratetensions as hell, But

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the script just like she failed, and we just live

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in that for a while. And it's not like even

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when we start trying to assign solutions immediately, it's just

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like we just live in that. The episode stomps so

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we can feel and.

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Filone talks about that too, and is filony zny where

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he was.

478
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.440
Saying wanting to make a planet full of feelings?

479
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.759
Yeah, I was like, yeah, it's like we weren't sitting

480
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:04.000
with Ahsoka. Is pain enough? I want to see a

481
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:05.319
fourteen year old safer?

482
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.759
Yeah, yeah, he does well.

483
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.319
Even said he was like one of the episodes that

484
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:17.920
took a lot of like kind of like editorial editing.

485
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.720
I guess, like editorial editing.

486
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:26.079
Yeah, like you talked about adding inserted like there's that

487
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.480
seed where she's with Rex and another kind of not

488
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.559
a commander. She's a commander, so someone else who's kind

489
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.960
of high up in the ranks, and there's like these

490
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.000
holograms and looking at He said he like added those

491
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.640
sections because he just needed more time purge to just

492
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.279
sit and feel, because he was saying there, like we're

493
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.160
not spending enough time with Ahsoka just being and feeling

494
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.759
these feelings, you know, like that's the that's the vibe.

495
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.279
And I appreciate that. Yeah, good good, good emotional characterization.

496
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.720
Good characterization and like emotional expression. Yeah, I'm with you.

497
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.680
Yeah, that's the thing that helped Star Wars evolve from

498
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:09.440
just showing archetypes versus Empire, deepening our understanding of who

499
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.519
these characters are, what makes them tick, making them more complex,

500
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.440
and suddenly taking them from two D to three D.

501
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.880
Yeah, and which helps because the entire show is in

502
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:20.599
three D.

503
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.240
It is, that's true. And every single time I go

504
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:27.400
up to the TV and I try to flatten it,

505
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.680
just like I put one hand behind the TV in

506
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:37.400
one hand from of the TV and I go fly.

507
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.799
Well you can't because now it's two three dimensional, even

508
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.640
for for your little hands.

509
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:46.480
Hm.

510
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.279
That's right. You can't stop it. You can't stop it. Oh,

511
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:51.720
just beeful, just beful.

512
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.200
You can only see the digit pack on YouTube, YouTube

513
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.000
dot com, slash at track wars pod.

514
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:01.640
Just YouTube dot com, YouTube dot com. Y'all heard of YouTube,

515
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.640
y'all heard about the youtubees.

516
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.640
It's all the range five years ago, yeah.

517
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:14.720
Twelve, I yeah, I am with you. I think it's

518
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:20.119
it's fantastic. I think other pieces of it that I love.

519
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.519
In addition to oh, I have to cough, I'm gonna,

520
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:25.440
I'm gonna pause.

521
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:28.039
Coughing.

522
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.720
Dinner had halipanos in it, and sometimes they come back

523
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:33.240
to haunt you.

524
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:44.720
Oh aspens dinner. Report what you have for dinner tonight?

525
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:53.599
I had fake beef bullggi uh, with rice and mushrooms.

526
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.200
It's called beef bull fogy bullfogi.

527
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.680
And for some reason, I'm forgetting what that Korean sauce

528
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:03.200
is called.

529
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:05.720
I just call it sauce.

530
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.559
Okay, well we'll remember it. I'm I'm too, I'm too

531
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.119
too taken over by my my spice and had it

532
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.440
had as on it. Anyways, isn't that great?

533
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:28.160
It is great? And that's been aspen for more dinner.

534
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.680
Report UPPs, we're working.

535
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:30.279
They flind you.

536
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.599
He's talk to my partner Joel. He's the one to

537
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:40.640
cooks dinner. It's nice. It's really nice of him. The

538
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.880
other piece is that I want to just point out,

539
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:49.359
is also relationship building, Like this is one of the

540
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:53.200
gentler moments I've seen with Anakin and Soka and I

541
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:54.599
was talking about a little bit at the top when

542
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.720
we were mentioning before we got into this deep dive piece,

543
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.599
which is she so she she sucks up. She takes

544
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.880
out the squadron. She thinks, Okay, I can I can

545
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.359
make this, we can we can break through. We can

546
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:13.160
break through this blackade. Uh and it just starts going

547
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:19.359
wrong and the oh my god, what's his name? You

548
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.319
must come back? Does that his name? He's also the

549
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.160
announcer guy? What is like? I can't remember that character's name.

550
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:33.119
I know I should know this Wolf Wolf Wolf? His

551
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.720
name is Wolf of Wall Street, Admiral. Is it you,

552
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.880
Alred Wolf? I don't think you can just keep saying wolf.

553
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:44.960
I think it's Wolf.

554
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:56.759
I don't think two wolves inside of you, Adam you Lauren, Lauren,

555
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.920
Admiral Laaren. He's also the announcer. He's like, you gotta

556
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.000
come back, and she's like, no, I can make it,

557
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.720
and then people get fucking killed.

558
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:07.480
His name is wolf You, Lauren.

559
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:09.880
Thank you, wolf Blitzer.

560
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.440
No, it's not wolf Blitzer. It's wolf you Lauren.

561
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.799
Okay, if you say so. So she they end up

562
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.599
coming back just barely or able to get away mega,

563
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.839
you know, and so she loses, she loses soldiers, and

564
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.680
there's this real like sort of directness Romannequin and then

565
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.480
you know, he's just like, you you need to follow

566
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.559
the old orders, and she like calls him out. She's

567
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.559
just like you don't, and he's like, that's that's exactly why.

568
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.200
I know exactly how you feel.

569
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.319
Yeah, I wrote down the line, did you train her

570
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:48.279
to not follow orders? Yeah you did? Yeah, one hundred percent, yes,

571
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.839
m h and yeah it's great.

572
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.599
But and then yeah, and then he's talking to her

573
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.599
and says, you know, he's not like, he's not like

574
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.279
an ass all about it, and like, well, yeah, like

575
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:02.519
do as I say, you know, as I do. He's

576
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.039
just like no, it's because yeah, I understand and sometimes

577
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.319
these choices we make, they are the wrong choices.

578
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.400
Also, it's irresponsible to put a paddle on in charge

579
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.119
of a military operation. But also we're not at that

580
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.240
point in the Clone Wars to be deconstructing that.

581
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:23.400
Yet you're right, Asso, like, let's just go we text

582
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.240
Let's just go textual, textual, not metotextual, nothing like that.

583
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.680
Let's just go a textual, not extra textual, just straight

584
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.920
bring in Aspen's favorite TV show, Ahsoka.

585
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.640
Yeah. Well yeah, and maybe this is maybe this is this,

586
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.359
this assumes more context, but.

587
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.680
Right here, just the art the Star Wars that we.

588
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.599
Have seen up to now, there are not enough. They're

589
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:52.279
not enough Jedi to lead like it. It's almost like

590
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.559
you it has to be you know what I mean,

591
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.839
Like the from what they have said or what we

592
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:04.880
have seen, everyone is so distributed that that these paddle ones,

593
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.119
these fourteen year old paddle ones, are military generals and

594
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.800
commanders in and of itself. It's absolutely ridiculous.

595
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.239
But if they talked about this in other episodes, where

596
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:24.159
who was it plocoons apprentice plocon well not maybe not

597
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:25.960
Plocoon but dumb oh the.

598
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:31.679
Bro no, but the guy who you know, Yeah, because

599
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.840
this is in the Layer of grievous episode, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,

600
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.199
that that little bro that and he's Calamart.

601
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.039
Yeah, he's like, uh, systems kind of corrupt. We got

602
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:45.360
to burn it down.

603
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:51.079
And the presiding Master Jedi on there is like, we're not.

604
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:58.639
Yeah yeah, I mean well this is why I think

605
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.119
that any kind of conversation around like the the structure

606
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.880
of the Jedi is is faulty and it and it

607
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:11.000
is it truly is like it's not necessarily a structure

608
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:15.440
to be to be looking at with and admiring, especially

609
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.199
at this point possibly maybe never, you know, if we

610
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.079
you know, if other pieces are to be believed, like

611
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.639
like what is it to be this sort of peacekeeping

612
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:31.119
yet cop like body it's almost like just be honest

613
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.679
about what you are. But that's its own thing. That's

614
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.960
its own thing. And I do feel like has a

615
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.320
little bit of an over like starts to get a

616
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.920
little bit thematically into the Star Trek episode as well,

617
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.679
because there's oh surprise, so we also watched Star Trek.

618
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.719
We're not just Star Wars. We're not just a Star

619
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:52.480
Wars podcast.

620
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.199
There are tons this is Star Trek sound effect there

621
00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:58.440
we go.

622
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.639
Did you you still have yeah in there?

623
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:02.440
No? I don't you took off, do you?

624
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.000
That's right? You took out yeah, my favorite effect.

625
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:06.880
It was a great sound effect.

626
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.880
But I think we need a lot more listeners in

627
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.199
order to justify that extremely.

628
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:11.719
Beats sound effect.

629
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:13.159
What about woman?

630
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:19.880
That'll be good personally? Personally? I'm I mean I swapped

631
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:21.639
it out for a great sound clip.

632
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.679
Oh is this be God? Damn it?

633
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:26.320
Fuck?

634
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.400
Right right right right right, right, right right right.

635
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.360
Because this is so weird horny.

636
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.320
I know. I think he's so because the Star Wars

637
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:41.800
films Star Wars up to this point is so sexless.

638
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.760
And then when his horniness comes out in the worst ways.

639
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:48.400
Nasty, nasty.

640
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:50.760
I know.

641
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.159
Listen, that's what happens when you suppress it comes out

642
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:54.760
too weird.

643
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.519
Speaking of suppressing information.

644
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:02.119
There you go, beautiful. Did you just navigate back so

645
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.119
that you could come up with your own segue?

646
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:07.079
No?

647
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.320
Just navigate Can you just trying to take my segue

648
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.239
away from me? To navigate back to Star Wars so

649
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.519
we could go back to Stark?

650
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:16.960
You're trying to take someone's agency away.

651
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:26.280
We need to talk about Rayla, right, Na, Na, that's

652
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.800
a commonality start with.

653
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.679
Our whoa filled with women?

654
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.559
Can you imagine if we were doing Star Trek, Star

655
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.719
Wars and Batman and having to find the thematic commonality.

656
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.679
Which Batman all of them got it.

657
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:48.239
Yeah, every single piece of Batman that moves at twenty

658
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:51.800
four frames a second. So like starting with the cereals,

659
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:56.760
then going through every episode of the Batman TV show.

660
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.639
What are other frame rates?

661
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.920
I mean starting on the Silent Year, it was manual

662
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:08.079
frame rates. So because you're doing hand crank stuff, was.

663
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.519
There Batman in the Silent Air?

664
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.119
There was not Batman in the Silent Era, but there's

665
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:18.440
stuff that like influenced Batman. And then other frame rates

666
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.519
include forty eight frames per second, thirty frames per second,

667
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.920
the most common one that you're watching through video.

668
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:26.760
Soap operas are.

669
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:31.679
Filmed at twenty nine ninety seven wow, forty eight frames

670
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.639
which I think that's yeah, the Hobbit was shot at

671
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:39.679
forty eight frames per second. You got one hundred and

672
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.679
twenty frames per second, which I believe is what Billy

673
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.159
Lynns long halftime walk and Jomini Man were shot at

674
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:45.719
a whole bunch of frame rates.

675
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.880
Aspen, I thank you for telling me you're.

676
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.599
Welcome and we were if Batman were to enter the fray.

677
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:59.199
Yeah, and much like Batman is haunted by his past,

678
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.440
so is this guy and this episode.

679
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.440
Flinton I did it.

680
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:14.559
Yeah, he has definitely danced with the devil in the

681
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:19.920
Pale moonlight for sure. Probably he's lived. He was born

682
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:21.519
in three thousand something BC.

683
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:22.320
Yeah.

684
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:26.239
Man, I think it's a good app too. I mean,

685
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.440
I think it brings up a lot of complicated ideas

686
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.000
that make me uncomfortable, and that's fine.

687
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.760
I think I think it is a thematically confused episode.

688
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:37.199
I think that there are definitely versions of this episode

689
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:41.360
that could be much much better. But the episode that

690
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.119
I got I was pretty satisfied with.

691
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.960
I mean, they're yeah, and there are episodes with similar

692
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.440
themes that are just done poorly, So yeah, I will

693
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:51.920
take it.

694
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.920
I such as were the first thing, there's the what

695
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:57.800
are Little Girls Made of? Right?

696
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:02.039
Are the first which was pretty good. I don't know

697
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.039
so I can quantitatively.

698
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.719
Say, Kenny, this is not a good night for asmen's

699
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:08.760
name memory.

700
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.719
That was the one with Chapel's husband or Chapel's fiance

701
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:13.719
doctor burb.

702
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:20.239
Oh god, yeah, well Christine, Christine, oh god, well, this

703
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:26.239
episode I gotta tell you. I like, maybe I'm just

704
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.719
a hey you looking at me so serious? Maybe I'm

705
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.760
just a product of my current mystery box world, or

706
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.599
also because I've been watching a lot of murder. She wrote,

707
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.039
But I do think that like double reveal of the

708
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.960
episode's really fun. I mean, it's kind of wild for

709
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.400
you to be like so like Spock throughout the whole thing.

710
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:49.239
This is not thematic. This is just kind of like

711
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.519
fun stuff. It's just like Spock being like, so these

712
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.960
are like Da Vinci's, except they're not because they're made

713
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.679
with modern paint, and you're just like.

714
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.559
What he knows that just he's.

715
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.320
Love that he looks at a painting and is able

716
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.880
to be like clearly STUNCHI and.

717
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.159
He's like playing Broms and he's like, no one knows, Okay,

718
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.039
this is definitely Broms, even though what Brom's handwriting is

719
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:13.679
like apparently, and he's just like, how do you know?

720
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:19.320
But how do you know? That he just loves Do

721
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:19.880
you think.

722
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.880
That Spock hung out with other Vulcans.

723
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:28.159
Other Volcans were like, you remember that.

724
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.159
You're a dang little freak.

725
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.039
Probably well, they were definitely calling him a freak. That's

726
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:31.519
for sure.

727
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.159
Yeah, according to the two thousand and nine movie.

728
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.079
That's true. I think I probably do confuse too much

729
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.719
of that, but it's a fabulous movie, So I'm okay

730
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.880
with them. It's you could just pretty Yeah.

731
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.920
I gotta get that. I gotta get these movies. I

732
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:48.639
gotta get all.

733
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.360
The Star Trek movies on four k okay. The only

734
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.280
Star Trek four case that I have are Strange New Worlds, which.

735
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.599
Cupe Star Trek okay.

736
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.480
Uh yeah.

737
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.280
So there's a fun thing going thrown throughout the episode

738
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.400
where He's just like, there's this stuff he's like trying

739
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.280
to get character pay attention to, and Kirk's just like,

740
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:12.800
not now, spuck, I'm in love. Very funny, and then

741
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.000
so the reveal of it is just like Red and

742
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.000
then the final reveal where they like go into that

743
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.039
room and they like see more than one Rain and

744
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:25.760
she's a robot. I was like, also, great combs up.

745
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.320
Apparently in my notes I wrote Rain, it's a bobit,

746
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.440
she's a bulbit funny rob.

747
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:44.159
She's yeah, I I yeah, that's I think those are

748
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.880
fun reveals and they also have consequences. They're not just

749
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.360
like dumb shit is thought there was just like oh

750
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.599
this guy all along, it's there's now a reason for it.

751
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.239
It leads to something. There's now a consequence to finding

752
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.679
this out, which is violence, like your to be killed

753
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.239
basically and everyone else too. But also the kind of

754
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.000
origin of her and this idea of the concept of

755
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.320
what it is. We're always coming back to the concept

756
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.719
of what it is to be human, right, and ultimately

757
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:18.159
you could live forever, you could learn everything there is

758
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.320
ever to learn. But if you fall in love and

759
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.800
then watch that love of your life die over these

760
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.119
different people that you could love and have connection with

761
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.559
that they die over and over again, like of course

762
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.159
you'd be driven to say, well, what actually matters is

763
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.039
connection and how can I seek that?

764
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:36.559
Now?

765
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.159
It's a real creepiness. And the idea of it being

766
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.440
like a little young lady, I mean, she's a robot,

767
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.280
but still is something. There's something to be wondered about

768
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.400
in the idea of the creation of a perfect woman,

769
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.960
which speaking of a bodily agency, right, but that in

770
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.960
and of itself is a complicated thing. We're going to

771
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.880
set that aside, but we'll definitely come back to move.

772
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.199
We're going to come back to it but I that

773
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:07.239
kind of idea of what actually matters in human in humanity,

774
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.159
and it is that companionship, it's connection, it is love,

775
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:12.119
it is joy.

776
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.000
You know, it's a second episode in a row where

777
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.320
it's about a woman's agency.

778
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:18.960
Woman.

779
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:27.360
Well happens a lot, I mean in this Yeah, happens

780
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:28.400
a lot like in bad ways?

781
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:29.320
Yeah?

782
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:29.440
What?

783
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.719
What was rolling around in my mind today?

784
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.320
And doing research for directly Informacus a lot and the

785
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.960
US listening to what well you.

786
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:48.960
Yeah, yeah, doing research research, My gosh, thank you, oh

787
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:55.119
my god, so cute, thank you, listening to.

788
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:57.360
The vision Loog podcast and listening to what they have

789
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:57.760
to say.

790
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.519
And there This was before These Are the Wages was released,

791
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:05.360
so they couldn't dig into it and learned that one

792
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.880
of the notes from NBC was that they specifically requested

793
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.679
women's stories, and what they interpreted as women's stories in

794
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.840
nineteen sixty eight nineteen sixty nine were just more love

795
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.400
stories because women aren't interested in anything else.

796
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.360
Who's to say, you know, who's to say? What's to say?

797
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:23.280
Who's to say?

798
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:33.159
Get a focus group of sismond to tell us.

799
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.480
I surely don't know what do women like?

800
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:33.360
Uh?

801
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:42.679
What's the opposite of football. What's the opposite of beer? Oh? Oh,

802
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.079
I can't research periods.

803
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.519
They love periods.

804
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.639
Can someone give me some wings. I'm gonna lose my

805
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:55.400
mind again. That's me doing an impression of me.

806
00:45:58.360 --> 00:45:59.320
Great job, soldier.

807
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.960
How's the research group? Honey? Oh god, it's so hard.

808
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.119
I had to think about what women like. Oh oh, honey,

809
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:14.920
I'm so sorry. Do you need a.

810
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.760
Foot rub or a sandwich or a blanket?

811
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:19.079
Yes?

812
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:27.440
Completely dumb? Your wife, you're so perfect. Oh, this is

813
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:28.159
a good character.

814
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:34.239
You just keep going youth. Oh great? Ye no, I

815
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.679
mean I think you should take it on the road.

816
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.400
Sure, I'll put that in my jfl audition.

817
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.960
Want the Gibson film.

818
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:53.320
We're talking about this episode which bothers to have a

819
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.679
character who apparently is the greatest.

820
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.000
Man that has ever walked through the earth.

821
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:02.119
Yea, And instead of kind of unpacking the existentialism within

822
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:07.159
that becomes really what makes a woman a woman? Oh?

823
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.400
I mean, I I agree, I do. I did take.

824
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.159
By the end of it, I did take the I

825
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:22.039
I took the like the existentialism of it became very strong.

826
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:24.239
It was I think it was strong throughout and it

827
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:30.519
was very clear by the end, but I I, yeah,

828
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.639
there are different better ways it could have been done. Sure,

829
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.599
I as always, we don't like the idea of just

830
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.360
woman being reduced to whatever the tool is of. Yeah, great, men,

831
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.199
you know it's a it's a bit it's a bit overdone,

832
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:48.760
am I right?

833
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:53.519
It's weird. Boy, there's a whole bit of walking mechanics.

834
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.800
But also I'm sitting here and I can think of

835
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:58.960
a billion of complaints for this episode. But also, I

836
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.400
sincerely just like it was a good episode and I'm

837
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:02.239
trying to quant spy.

838
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:03.599
That's that was part of it.

839
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:09.039
The X factor is why why is this? Why is

840
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:10.199
this a good episode?

841
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.599
I think here's my guess. When I think it's written

842
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:18.599
very well, I think it's paced extremely well. Yeah, I

843
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:24.480
think everyone is having their own clear moments where they

844
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.360
have strong feelings about those moments that are presented. They

845
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.480
have strong emotions, and I think there's no downtime. There's

846
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:39.280
always something happening, and there's space for exploration of ideas,

847
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:45.039
even ideas it's Star Trek, I'm gonna kill you.

848
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:46.559
Sure I deserve it?

849
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:52.639
Oh should have set up with it?

850
00:48:52.760 --> 00:49:05.960
Winks Dr Pepper rub Wing. No, they are bonus though,

851
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:08.280
that's good.

852
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:17.920
I mean, you get more wing like that.

853
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:18.679
He's dumb.

854
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.719
He's dumb, but also he's trying. The thing that I

855
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.400
think makes this character and daring is that he's sincerely trying.

856
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:27.519
I don't he's.

857
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.320
To do something poop men.

858
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:41.159
Yeah's nothing to do with my meadak that sucker out?

859
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.360
Hey Jack? Yeah?

860
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.760
Boss, whoever take your miata out? And then you make

861
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:54.559
the headlights blink? Yeah, like you have n't blink at

862
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:55.840
each other.

863
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.559
I have to blink out in morse code winks.

864
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:08.400
Dude, me too, man except for me pepsi co hell yeah.

865
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:09.360
Oh.

866
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.320
Now thinking about the call of wars, when will this?

867
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.199
When will this forever war?

868
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:24.880
And my dudes, so x factor of this for missus?

869
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.639
I mean, I think I dare say you probably hit

870
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.280
the nail on the head because the moments, the moments

871
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.599
can seem quite desparate and unconnected. First starters, they're coming

872
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.559
to the planet to look for right talent because there's

873
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.239
an outbreak of Rigellian fever on this ship.

874
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.679
That's right, And then they happen to.

875
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:53.000
Find Flint, who turns out he's every greatest man that's

876
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:58.519
ever been on Earth. And you think that the episode

877
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:03.800
would unpack that more than it does. But before before that,

878
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.119
they introduce you to Raina, who's a lady, but she's

879
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:09.360
got a mystery.

880
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:16.639
Thank you Jesus Christ.

881
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.880
But there's a mystery footing with Raina. Not only that,

882
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.400
Kirk is immediately in love with her.

883
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:28.440
Just into her in a second, so fast, so fast.

884
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.800
This might be the fastest that Kirk has ever fallen

885
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.159
head over heels for a woman before.

886
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.280
I don't hate it. At this point, we're in such

887
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:42.079
Kirk drift, like, yeah, it truly is. He is, Yes,

888
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:47.840
I think I think at this point bro is just

889
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.760
going for it, for it, so.

890
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.519
Yeah. So meanwhile, yeah, break up Brightellian fever still very

891
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.000
much happening on the ship. It's very deadly. We've established

892
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:03.719
in the beginning of the episode. Don't worry about it.

893
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:07.400
Don't worry about it. I think the episode is moving

894
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:12.480
with these other in the shell game that is this

895
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:16.440
episode of Star Track. The shells are moving. The shells

896
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.559
are moving so quickly that you're just like, yeah, because

897
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.280
there's the mystery of Flint, there's the mystery of Raina.

898
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.920
And whenever it.

899
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.320
Gets sleepy, you can always go we got to get

900
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.559
the right talent, which.

901
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.519
We also have the M four thing.

902
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.960
It does give them all something to do. It also funny.

903
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:41.719
Are tied together enough it feels cohesive.

904
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.360
And I think it does have to do with the

905
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.079
fact that it's like, if you're going to have our

906
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.599
classic trio on this planet, that means Bones always has

907
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.320
something to do. He's always worried, Okay, we got this right,

908
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.639
talent done, but oh it turns out that like it's

909
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.320
not going to work. We need to fix it. Great,

910
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.480
so he's got opinions, he's got stuff. Spot is over

911
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.519
here doing little mystery, plain a little piano, figure it out.

912
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:03.519
Yeah.

913
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.199
Outstanding line of this episode, which is I am close

914
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.280
to experiencing an unexpected emotion.

915
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.480
Oh my king king he oh, and he says envy.

916
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.159
Oh there's that fabulous piece where then they first come

917
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:23.079
down there, right, that's like during that exact scene where like, uh,

918
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:25.880
Bones is like, hey, you want a brand. Of course

919
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.400
he doesn't want a brandy blah blah, and he's like

920
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.559
kind of like making fun of them and making fun

921
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:31.280
of him, and Spot is like looking at the painting.

922
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.119
He's just like, thank you, doctor, I will have a brand.

923
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.880
And it's funny and Spot is like, oh, we're gonna

924
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:41.119
have to deal with a drunk, a drunk vulcan. I

925
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.159
was like, I wish you would. I'd be rat I

926
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:45.519
had a.

927
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.199
Drunk vulcan as much like my father whenever he gets drung,

928
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:49.360
just get quieter.

929
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.320
Oh yeah, I guess it could go a few different ways.

930
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.960
It could go quieter, you go a little violent, very scary,

931
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.760
very strong, or you go very touchy, feeling very decided

932
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:01.519
paradise and they're just like.

933
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:08.599
Freaking I feel I never get never. You are my

934
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:09.599
best friend.

935
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:11.599
I love you so.

936
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.800
Much, Like do you ever think about her? My best friend?

937
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.679
And to you, I love you so much, so much.

938
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:27.360
Interview and I always I live along and prosper.

939
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:32.840
Spock.

940
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.039
That was my performance of Spock while drunk. Thank you

941
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.880
gave me the roll. Yeah yeah, yeah. They've all got

942
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.800
something to do that is driving them, and they're having

943
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.159
reactions to everything.

944
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.159
And then what is also interesting.

945
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:58.360
I circled this in my Big Notes Bob Bob and

946
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:04.760
for the Bob above it, Flint the Eternal Man.

947
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.079
Interrogates the notion of what Star Trek is.

948
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.119
Oh yeah, yes, because is willing to do literally anything

949
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.679
in order to get the right talent even use force.

950
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.000
And Flint is like, you're claiming that you're.

951
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.960
A peaceful people, but there's a contradiction because why does

952
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:22.800
you ship have weapons?

953
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.400
Why do you have weapons? Are you coming down here?

954
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.239
I don't entirely trust you. You're just like all of

955
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:29.079
the other humans.

956
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:31.679
Yeah, yes, it doesn't.

957
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.280
Really answer how they are better in this situation because

958
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.440
again the episode is playing a shell game and keeping

959
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.719
enough shells moving you don't necessarily have time to focus.

960
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.079
And again that's absolutely fine.

961
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.280
It works in this case in that intangible X factor

962
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:54.480
that it just it is loosely connected enough.

963
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.960
But it's always it's always my favorite as I always

964
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:04.480
love the interrogation enough of true, like the idea of

965
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.599
are we as good as we.

966
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:08.400
Are?

967
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:09.679
Stating we are?

968
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.559
And depending on which iteration of Star Trek you're watching,

969
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:13.559
the answer can vary.

970
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.159
With this Star Trek, Yeah, humans made it with Next Generation, Yeah,

971
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:20.360
we made it with DS nine.

972
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.519
We're good, but we have a ways to go with Rajor.

973
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.719
That's answered by Janeway killing Tubics Enterprise, they're still fighting everyone.

974
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:34.880
Discovery vacillates.

975
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:43.960
I had a thought, always thinking, always thinking, appere The

976
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:48.320
subtle nogget is always going going. I know, I know

977
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:54.880
sometimes I do more than like exist for the existential

978
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:01.480
pleasure of some millennia man agains like poetry so they run. Yeah,

979
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:11.840
I was wondering about my own personal vendetta against Star

980
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.800
Trek actually being as good as it says it is.

981
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:19.360
Ooh, yes, let's have this conversation.

982
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.679
You know, I'm constantly like, I'm this dude, I'm flint.

983
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.039
I'm just like, but you go around this galaxy like

984
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.719
and you're not just being diplomatic, You're coming in with

985
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.679
a lot of cowboy power and you think you're so good.

986
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.760
You're still a militaristic structure no matter what you say.

987
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.360
Is a very personal thing. But here's a fun thing.

988
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.800
Here's my personal context. I'm watching this in twenty twenty four,

989
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.920
and I am like, I don't trust anything right now. Yeah,

990
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.880
And it probably is why the stories of Star Wars

991
00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:58.639
just I think a lot of people watch Star Trek

992
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.639
and they're like, this is the idea, and I can

993
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.000
feel hopeful watching this thing, and I just don't think

994
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:08.880
I feel like I can trust that. I'm like, okay,

995
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:10.320
sounds great.

996
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.840
Like you know, Star Trek was caught up in that

997
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:19.960
space race NASA optimism of the time, which is so

998
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.239
which is so interesting. I mean I can't I literally

999
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.320
cannot put my feet back in the sixties and see

1000
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:31.079
what that felt like. But it's in the pop culture

1001
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:33.960
that I consumed that reflects specifically the space race of

1002
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:39.639
the nineteen sixties. Very rarely does it feel like anyone

1003
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.440
that is working within NASA and within the space industry

1004
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.159
is like, we are taking we are wasting a lot

1005
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.559
of resources to send a man to the Moon, because

1006
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.719
they wasted so much of it. But rarely does it

1007
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.639
rarely doesn't interrogate that because it was for a greater mission,

1008
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:03.320
which was well to defeat the Soviets, but also to

1009
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:09.000
prove that we could do it is wild, that's a

1010
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:09.760
wild notion.

1011
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.480
Yeah, so we can just do it and feels so

1012
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.280
if I say like that it's purposeless. It feels purposeless.

1013
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.239
No, But even he's talking about it like bad, I'm like, oh,

1014
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.079
that is so. I know, defeat the Soviets, but there's

1015
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.280
there was so much hope, there's so much excitement around that.

1016
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.360
I will tell you depends on who depends on who

1017
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.440
you ask. Well, that's just depends on who you ask, because.

1018
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.199
In in the Damon Chaseelle Neil Armstrong movie First Man

1019
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:41.320
starring Ryan Gosling. That was the first time where I

1020
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.199
was like, oh my bro, did people not like going

1021
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:45.800
to the Moon? And there's a song in it called

1022
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.440
Whitey on the Moon. Oh, kind of emblematic.

1023
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:50.960
I know that song.

1024
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:55.920
And then there's yes, dude, yes, bro, oh song from some.

1025
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.360
Humorous about Warrener Bron Brown and the fact that they're

1026
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.239
partnering with it Nazi, with an actual Nazi in order

1027
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:03.880
to make the rocket program work.

1028
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.159
But whatever, we were able to do it. Kenny, isn't

1029
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:09.360
that that.

1030
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.880
Paradox the Star Trek where you're just like, don't, don't,

1031
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.480
don't look at all this stuff, look at look look

1032
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:14.760
at what.

1033
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:15.320
We can be?

1034
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.280
Oh my god, Kenny, I mean, and.

1035
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:24.320
The Star Wars informed by the post Nixonian post Vietnam

1036
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.880
distrust of governments current Vietnam.

1037
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.960
Oh, you're right, post at that point, but people living

1038
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:34.760
through it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, post.

1039
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:39.360
And so baked into the baked into the tax. Yes,

1040
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.119
is regardless of who is who is America in this situation?

1041
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:49.119
Who is who is Vietnam? Who are who's the opposition

1042
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:56.519
to America? There's just a distrust of governmental authority. And

1043
01:00:56.599 --> 01:01:00.880
we have some rebels, but we know the hierarchy of

1044
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:08.239
the empire, Emperor Darth Vader Grahama Targan hierarchy, and then.

1045
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:11.440
The rebels don't really have a hierarchy that we know.

1046
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.679
You know that there's some loose generals out there, but

1047
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.480
everyone's just trying to fight the aggressors, which is the

1048
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:20.480
ruling government.

1049
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:21.679
Yep.

1050
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:28.199
Yeah, it's a indicative of a current system that was

1051
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.639
a previous system that is just in a constant cycle

1052
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:34.800
of as we have said, mulled the world times neoliberalism

1053
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.000
and fascism, neoliberalismto fascism.

1054
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:40.559
And then you can couple that with where Lucas and

1055
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:44.880
ron Berry were coming from. Lucas who went to film

1056
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.880
school and wanted to make genuine art films, non narrative

1057
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:53.559
tone poems. He's an artist that just backed his way

1058
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:57.199
into narrative filmmaking, and so more than likely he's going

1059
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:01.360
to have some strong political opinions that are anti authoritarian,

1060
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.239
especially considering that he was partnered up with Francis word Gobola,

1061
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.039
who throughout the seventies and eighties was just like, fuck

1062
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:11.679
the studios, studios are awful. We could do it ourselves.

1063
01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:17.000
And George Lucas, acolyte of Francis, word was like, wow, Francis.

1064
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:17.400
Can do anything.

1065
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.400
Yeah, you sure can make a mine.

1066
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:29.320
Coupled that way with Roden Berry, who before was that's right,

1067
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.159
he was a jigglo. His original name was jiggolow Rod

1068
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:38.280
and Berry was he was an Air Force pilot and

1069
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:39.280
he was a cop.

1070
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:41.320
Right, you've told me this.

1071
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.280
I blocked it out and so baked.

1072
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.599
Into the Texas Star Trek is an appreciation of rank

1073
01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:51.800
structure and a fondness for military structure because that's the world.

1074
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.800
And so you have someone that is fond of systems,

1075
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.000
is trying to build a perfect system.

1076
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.760
Well right, fund fond of systems enough that benefit himself

1077
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.039
rather because like Lucas, he's also anti studio.

1078
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.760
Kenny, help me work through this thought process.

1079
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:13.800
Sure, man, this is great. This is a great discussion.

1080
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:15.519
I love this.

1081
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:26.280
I really appreciate you bringing up the inherent injustice of

1082
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:32.920
putting so many resources toward the space race when there

1083
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:36.239
are so many people who are like you could be

1084
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.880
putting those resources toward healthcare.

1085
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:42.400
That money could have helped healthcare.

1086
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:47.719
Yeah, but in sixty nine you're right, it was actually

1087
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:53.159
it was actually about it was about American exceptionalism, and

1088
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.199
it was paired with the concept and the idea of space,

1089
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.760
and it was inextricable from the space raised this idea of.

1090
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.679
Winning right and only American exceptionalism. But America was so

1091
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:10.119
great that it created an indelible moment in history that

1092
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:14.559
transcended every nation where everyone in the world stopped.

1093
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:15.239
Yes.

1094
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.000
And it wasn't just an exception. It wasn't just American

1095
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:23.280
exceptionalism for a brief moment, it was human exceptionalism. And

1096
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.119
who was in charge of the human exceptionalism? America proof

1097
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.960
positive that America is the best. Because America did it,

1098
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.320
we created this moment that proves how great humanity is.

1099
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:41.119
So that that is I think what this concept is

1100
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:46.159
that we're talking about this thing that is literally beyond

1101
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:51.800
our world, otherworldly. It is more than just the United

1102
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.679
States inostensibly ostensibly because it is saying to the whole world,

1103
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:58.199
look at what you know we can do. And I

1104
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:03.039
think read Contact. I watched Contact, but I from hearing

1105
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:05.559
what the book was like with Sagan, A lot of

1106
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:09.559
what it's talking about is many people from across countries

1107
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.159
coming together and working together it wasn't just say they

1108
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:18.000
wasn't just one person or just a few Americans. And

1109
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:20.000
I do think that there is inherent to it, like

1110
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.079
I do not think that it is not true that

1111
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:24.559
there is this idea of we could be more than

1112
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:28.679
just ourselves and yet and yet it is still driven

1113
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:32.760
by but it's the United States that doesn't it. And

1114
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.039
that's the paradox. That's the paradox.

1115
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.719
And so we can be anything. And he's driven as

1116
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.000
pass and hopefully future guest Jesse Earl said, filtered through

1117
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:49.679
the lens of Eurocentrism, Western h West Central Yes, West Centrism. Yes,

1118
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:54.960
as we've talked in previous episodes. So redouting a Jewish

1119
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.679
Canadian as the archetype of an.

1120
01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:01.480
American, I do wonder if I it just does not

1121
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:05.760
ring true to me. So I feel this like grading sensation.

1122
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:10.760
And here's the difference, because I mean, obviously I'm biased

1123
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.039
for Star Trek. Star Trek has been there before I

1124
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.760
was able to form memories. That's how long Star Trek

1125
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:21.519
has been around. That in Star Wars intertwined, both of

1126
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:25.199
those suckers get intertwined. I don't remember a first time

1127
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:29.159
watching either because both were in circulation in my household

1128
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:33.880
when I was a young baby, young fighting. If you

1129
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:37.480
will it come fresh out of the oven? Is then

1130
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:42.079
right next to a VCR impressed play. That's how yeah,

1131
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:42.800
that's how fresh.

1132
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:44.159
It was cute.

1133
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:50.000
But for some reason, and maybe it's because, quite frankly,

1134
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:53.119
I was a very sad child. I was a very

1135
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:59.880
sad child, and I was a very lonely child. Esthetically,

1136
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.760
there was something way more interesting about Star Trek to

1137
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:08.960
me whenever I was in elementary school, and then whenever

1138
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.800
I was a teenager i went through I was more

1139
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:16.639
of a Star Wars kid, and then as I've gotten older,

1140
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:20.000
I've gotten way way more into Star Trek over Star Wars.

1141
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.480
But there's always been something that has appealed to me

1142
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.119
with this notion of an impossible utopian and a valid

1143
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:31.679
criticism of Star Trek, which is I cannot connect with this,

1144
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:34.440
or rather, to put it in your term, something greats

1145
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:40.840
inauthentic about it, because there's something that because.

1146
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:43.920
Humans just made it, how'd they make it? What does

1147
01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:44.480
that look like?

1148
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:47.320
How do they not have money? What does the governmental

1149
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:50.039
structure look like? What are all of these ins and

1150
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:53.679
outs questions as opposed to the thing that appeals to me.

1151
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:59.880
The propaganda of Star Trek, I think, which.

1152
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.679
Is they just did it.

1153
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.719
Well, the propaganda star checks they just did it. And

1154
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.880
then DS nine gets to come in and answer some

1155
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.599
of those questions as very valid questions and say, with

1156
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.960
a lot of fucking bloodshed and hard work, yeah, a

1157
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:19.239
lot of people suffering.

1158
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.840
Yeah, what what coused utopia?

1159
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:29.880
Yeah? And but like the optimism, especially in Next Generation

1160
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:37.279
where Picard can literally talk with anything and deflate a conflict.

1161
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:42.720
God imagine, come on, Oh that's wild to me.

1162
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:46.039
And then Star Trek grew back into a more action

1163
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.560
oriented thing because everyone was trying to get more into

1164
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:51.279
the original series, and Next Generation was known as kind

1165
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.359
of a sleepier show, even though I think everyone considers

1166
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:58.560
Next Generation be the better show because it has a

1167
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.840
more sophisticated palette to work from from the late eighties

1168
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.800
and early nineties. But also they do sit around a

1169
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:05.800
table a lot.

1170
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:06.720
Cool.

1171
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:16.800
So the Star Wars Star Wars Bothers two with the

1172
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:20.760
prequels ask how the heck did this happen? Mm hmm,

1173
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:26.079
well really with Return of the Jedi asks how did

1174
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:26.800
this world happen?

1175
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:27.319
Right?

1176
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:28.319
Does galaxy happen?

1177
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:29.319
What? What?

1178
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:29.640
God?

1179
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.199
Is to this moment you can't trust authority and what

1180
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:38.239
is your soul going to be in a system that

1181
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:44.319
you belong to? Uh huh, yeah, dude, Which Star Wars

1182
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.079
is in that regard more realistic?

1183
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:51.119
Mm hmmm. I mean that's you're a little bit more

1184
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.399
honest about it, I think I and I think that

1185
01:09:54.800 --> 01:10:02.239
that was my bad segue of the I can't even

1186
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:06.159
remember we're talking about when we're talking about Storm versus

1187
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:08.760
Storm over like with like the point of Storm over

1188
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.840
Ryloth and that sort of commonality and that piece there.

1189
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.760
There is something kind of wild about Storm over Ryloth

1190
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.239
and this I'm glad that we got to see Ahsoka

1191
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:24.119
sitting with this horror, but there is also still this

1192
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:28.239
kind of terror of war, this this additional horror of war,

1193
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:33.520
which is like, hey, you know this sucks. You lost

1194
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:36.920
your squadron. That's part of being a leader. And it

1195
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:41.840
was like, right, like the idea that like that's just

1196
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:47.359
the game man, people are gonna die is just part

1197
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:48.960
of what it is to be in the little middle

1198
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.760
of a literal war, right, And that is part of it.

1199
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.960
Is just like human lives are worth for the greater

1200
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.439
good of the thing, right, and that is a real

1201
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.520
barbarism of humanity or you know, whatever that might look

1202
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.600
like to be able to get to what you say,

1203
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:09.920
is this ideal? But still to get to that point, right,

1204
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:12.479
and who who are we and especially the Jedi going

1205
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:17.279
from peacekeepers to like so easily slipping into the role

1206
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:21.079
of literal commanders, you know, war commanders.

1207
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:22.840
Both shows.

1208
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.439
Shoot, I mean, the commonality is that both are about

1209
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:32.319
both the involved some form of imperialism m hm. Where

1210
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:37.640
the Clone Wars I mean, both of them are, whereas

1211
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.720
Star Trek posits that it is a benevolent form of

1212
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:46.479
imperialism now that comes very close to breaking breaking their

1213
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:49.159
own code within Reque up from etheusla.

1214
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:50.800
As.

1215
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:54.840
With all the information that we've learned from Star Wars

1216
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:56.960
and up to this point in Clone Wars, we know

1217
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.960
that the that the Jedi and the Clones are carrying

1218
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:01.760
out in imperialism.

1219
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.279
The carying out an imperialism.

1220
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:12.479
Through the guise of liberation, right, which can feel false

1221
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.720
and you're grading against it, which is also one of

1222
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.279
the poetic things about the Clone Wars.

1223
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:25.560
Unfortunately unfortunately anyway, what a time am I?

1224
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.239
Right? Four?

1225
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:29.640
Election?

1226
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:32.319
Go vote?

1227
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:39.000
Do you vote yet?

1228
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:39.720
No?

1229
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:41.279
I have not go vote.

1230
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:42.880
I'll probably vote on Friday.

1231
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:44.560
Yeah, you go vote, my dude.

1232
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:51.359
Yeah, man, But speaking of voting, yeah, but what do

1233
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.880
you want? A long time ago? Start dating? This week?

1234
01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.800
I quoted a vote, I dated a game.

1235
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:03.399
But none of them could warp my drive into high

1236
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:09.920
birth space. The best of both worlds kept me in

1237
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:17.880
the second place. Captain's log on a hollow kron.

1238
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:21.520
I wanted a song. I penned a song.

1239
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:29.560
Seventeen more minutes advise in super high def aboard the

1240
01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:38.439
USS Enterprise DT. Don't you take my walk lighter and

1241
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:42.479
clip it? Don't you take my wretchirt buddy and nip it.

1242
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:46.039
If you spill the tea, I'm gonna sip it.

1243
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.880
My starship it. What we doing this week?

1244
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.720
We're going to name our favorite ships that fly through

1245
01:13:54.760 --> 01:14:01.079
this guy and our favorite ships that goss.

1246
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:04.079
Mhm, Kenny, yeah, Boss Kenny.

1247
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.199
Have we named the Pnemodian Battleship?

1248
01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:10.479
We sure have not, the Trade Federation, the.

1249
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:16.479
Trade Federation Battleship, the Donut Ship, the one that a

1250
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.760
different one, but another one that Anagin destroyed when he

1251
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:20.560
tried spinning.

1252
01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:22.960
That was a good trick.

1253
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.000
That was a good trick. But in this case Anakin

1254
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:34.560
destroys it by just shoving shoving the Defender ride into Now, okay, so.

1255
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:41.680
Let's bring up our friends at I'll say it, our

1256
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:49.000
sister podcast, the hold Maneuver speaking, but particularly the podcast's

1257
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:55.720
title sake, the titular Holdo Maneuver with those dorks on

1258
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.760
the line that are like Star Wars as the Star

1259
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.520
Wars anymore. Well, one of their biggest criticisms that the

1260
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:07.000
whole novenuver breaks camp shut up why by saying who

1261
01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:11.640
would throw? Who is show a big ship through another

1262
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:16.520
big ship? Meanwhile, you're precious Dave Faloni.

1263
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:21.079
Well, your precious Anakin Skywalker is the one who did it.

1264
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:24.520
Sure, but you're precious Dave Faloni directed it.

1265
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:29.199
Do they really sorry? Do those assholes really love Dave Filoni?

1266
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:34.600
I just want to Oh yeah, okay, oh yes, all right, yes.

1267
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:37.960
Well they didn't like him when he made a Soka matter,

1268
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:39.960
so now they like him.

1269
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:43.600
Like with anything, you give it ten years and people

1270
01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:47.279
look back on it with fondness. Sure, and that's the

1271
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:49.399
arc of the clone Wars has gone from no one

1272
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:52.720
wanted this too, This might actually be the this is

1273
01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:54.880
actually the best Star Wars period.

1274
01:15:55.279 --> 01:16:00.319
Sure, thanks to our god king Dave Filoni, who you know,

1275
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.199
he's doing a great job here. Yeah. Yeah.

1276
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:07.000
And also if you're if you're bothering to cherry pick cannon, Yes,

1277
01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:10.479
he looked no further than the fact that Anakin skywalker

1278
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:14.960
throws a big honkin ship into a bigger honking chip throws.

1279
01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:16.159
A ship into another ship.

1280
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:21.199
We'll seem pretty expensive waste of resources. I'm sorry to

1281
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:26.159
use such harsh language, but I disagree strongly.

1282
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:30.960
We're gonna have to bleep you for a second. Here, ella, here,

1283
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:36.840
I'll do it for you. Fuck you. Toss a lot

1284
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:43.840
of them bozos, am I right? Real, real little weird guys, guys,

1285
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:44.920
weird guys, and.

1286
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.800
They are making no mistake they're weird guys.

1287
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.760
Yeah, he throws a god damn ship into another ship,

1288
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.119
and it's so great.

1289
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:55.640
Pulling pulling what I called in my notes the slow down,

1290
01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:56.039
my neighbor.

1291
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.039
You know what am I like favorite things too to

1292
01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:14.399
see is when characters yeah nice, see nice, Yeah, it's cute.

1293
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:16.000
What was they gonna say?

1294
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:16.119
Oh?

1295
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:21.279
You know, when people are like like on holograms, like

1296
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:23.479
talking to each other, but they're on other ships and

1297
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.880
the ships are getting blown out of the sky. And

1298
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:29.840
they just like the hologram like what they'll disappear and they're.

1299
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:33.279
Just like, ah, it's just like sizzles out.

1300
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.960
I love that it happens when so we didn't even

1301
01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:42.920
talk about that. It's this battleship is being headed by Martuk,

1302
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:47.600
who is an Emodium Separatus commander, and when he realizes

1303
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:49.560
what's happening, he is like, I'm out of here. It's

1304
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:53.720
all these battle droids are like regie REDI Mar Tuck.

1305
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.800
Where thanks to the fo we have a dream of

1306
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:02.119
a quote regarding Martuk, who has the lips of who

1307
01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:07.159
has quote unquote yes, Mick Jagger Donald Rumsfeld.

1308
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:11.399
Mouth incredible, Wow, yeah you know who said that.

1309
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.600
He We like to make sure that he has a

1310
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:19.239
Nick Jagger Donald Drumsfeld type.

1311
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:23.720
Of I spent a long night that night doing a

1312
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:31.039
bit of a redo. A soft spoken, sweet man, he

1313
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:35.359
was unhappy with the designs. That's his sweet way of

1314
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:40.680
being like, So the designs were absolutely horrible, absolutely terrible,

1315
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:42.840
and I had to do so much work that night.

1316
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:47.000
My wife was angry, my children hate me, just so

1317
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:52.520
I could make this Donald Rumsfeld mouth. The other pieces

1318
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:56.560
that mar took is named after Dave Philanie's cat also

1319
01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:57.520
a joy of the thing.

1320
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.560
Originally, I wanted a whole plan to be my cat.

1321
01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:02.239
I wish.

1322
01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:07.199
With the planet that was made of cats. We have

1323
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:10.239
to work on fur textures. What would fur look like

1324
01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:13.920
whenever it is miles across? How does it move in

1325
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:17.399
space with no What does fur look like without friction

1326
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.399
in space? Does it have the mass that it does?

1327
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:26.159
What does it look like whenever adjusting to gravity? And

1328
01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:30.319
then and then Dark said, you misunderstood me. I said,

1329
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.960
I have two cats, which I responded by going, I

1330
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:36.760
just spent ninety six hours on this.

1331
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.359
I haven't slept, I haven't seen my wife. You couldn't

1332
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.479
have just you've been here three other times for approvals.

1333
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:51.840
Wow, Killian sounds like you're having a bad day. Unquestionably,

1334
01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:57.479
this is the real is the real show.

1335
01:19:57.680 --> 01:19:59.680
We're doing a lot. We're doing a lot of character work.

1336
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:04.039
My favorite ship this is David Kill is David Killing.

1337
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:09.640
My favorite ship is a Silka Starfighter prefosh.

1338
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:12.439
I wrote down, is this Anakin's old Starfighter?

1339
01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:16.439
Because I believe it has the same colors that Anakin's

1340
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:18.920
Starfighter did in the two D clone Wars.

1341
01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:20.079
I don't know.

1342
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:23.560
I would love that well, love if that.

1343
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:31.000
Were the case. No, it's it's not. It's red, okay,

1344
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:37.720
which I believe that's the color of no Anakin's why

1345
01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:40.520
am I saying that it's Anakin Starfighter? No, these are

1346
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:42.119
obi Wan's collars because it's red.

1347
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:46.680
Oh cute, which is fascinating. I say that it's Anakin

1348
01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:52.159
Starfighter because it's clearly not to seven B either sprite.

1349
01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:55.600
Oh cute said cute a lot, because everything's so cute.

1350
01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:58.640
You're mostly cute. You know, this is a this is

1351
01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:01.960
a like not the winner, But I do want to

1352
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:07.720
call out also the Resolute, the other ship that they

1353
01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:12.199
do the ship on its side trick and all the start,

1354
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:14.199
all the fighters come out from behind it. They like

1355
01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:16.600
make it look they bring them in and like making

1356
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:19.199
them think that like, oh the ship is not doing

1357
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:22.720
like it's it's it's vulnerable and then they go worth

1358
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:24.920
noting just because in the following zone they talk about

1359
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:28.039
he talks about how he read about that as a

1360
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:30.880
maneuvers Frond does in Air to the Empire, and I

1361
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:32.039
just thought that was so cool.

1362
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:36.560
That's great, wonderful Air to the Empire, great book.

1363
01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:42.720
I we know it's not, but it's a cool idea.

1364
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.720
And it's well, all those torps online that don't like

1365
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:49.720
the Holbot maneuver and they're like, the empire is so sick, right,

1366
01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:50.760
a badass?

1367
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:54.880
Yeah? And then sure, bads, here are all these similar

1368
01:21:55.039 --> 01:22:01.520
these ideas that are common, common ideas. Anyways, romantic romantic.

1369
01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:05.119
Ships, romantic shifts, Aspen, you better not steal my ship

1370
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:05.520
this week.

1371
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:07.399
I don't think I know what your ship is.

1372
01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:10.079
Well, don't steal it.

1373
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.479
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the straightforward one, man,

1374
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:16.279
I'm gonna go. Raina Kirk.

1375
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:20.920
A classic in sense that this episode.

1376
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:23.800
It is in this episode, I mean, it's a pretty

1377
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:31.319
boring one. However, he kept hugging her and holding her clothes,

1378
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:37.800
and it was very gentle and very sweet, fascinating, I

1379
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:43.560
don't know, fascinating, fascinating. I mean again, we touched on it.

1380
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.560
There is always this underlying thing where, especially when this

1381
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:52.520
woman is represented as being kind of young, there's like

1382
01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:55.800
this new bile element, like in this space, she's very smart,

1383
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:58.840
and she clearly feels like the ward of someone and

1384
01:22:58.960 --> 01:22:59.800
maybe younger.

1385
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.560
Right, And just to make me sound smart, the born

1386
01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:05.119
Sexy Yesterday trope.

1387
01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:08.760
Yeah, that's it, and like, but you know, this this

1388
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.520
one of those. This is one of those where like

1389
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:15.359
I thought the actor playing her was really fabulous. So

1390
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:19.239
many times these are big honk and wig yeah her

1391
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.720
big honk and wigz honking. So many times it is

1392
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:30.760
saved by I think, like usually usually a good lace

1393
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:33.720
front will do it for you, you know, like this

1394
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:38.239
kind of it's such a creepy kind of utterly thing

1395
01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:40.520
of like she's a robit, so it's like, what does

1396
01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:43.840
it look like to awaken these like feelings? But she

1397
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:48.199
does have this like beautiful, kind of bewildering look to

1398
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:49.760
her face. I don't know, Maybe I just thought that

1399
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.520
she was very well like kind of is like curious

1400
01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:56.600
about the entire world and this like gentleness and yeah,

1401
01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:59.279
it's it's got its gross elements and its gross feelings,

1402
01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:01.039
but I thought that she is I think she like

1403
01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.600
sold it for me, and I you know, I think

1404
01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:07.960
Kirk in love is a very charming thing. He is

1405
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:15.319
very gentle. So you know, no, hated, you did not.

1406
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:19.119
Steal my ship. Thank goodness, my ship for the week,

1407
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.239
and it's pretty up. I'll give you three guesses of

1408
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:23.680
who my ship who my ship is for the week,

1409
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:25.039
and we got two episodes to work from.

1410
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:29.079
Okay, all right, right, could be anyone, could be anything.

1411
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.760
We've already done that. We've done that, we've done that.

1412
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:38.880
We have so many people we can look at, we

1413
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:43.560
can look at what's his name, Finch, Flinch, Flint, Flint

1414
01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:44.600
in his other Rubt.

1415
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:49.079
Flint in his other rob.

1416
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:58.319
You got it on the first try. My ship is

1417
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:04.079
Flint and M four. You know, you know when M

1418
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:08.640
f gets destroyed and for is back and better than ever,

1419
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:11.840
it's like no time has passed.

1420
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:15.800
And you bet, you bet as soon as Flint could

1421
01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:20.600
build a robot, built that M four and built that

1422
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:23.039
M four to last.

1423
01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:23.880
You know what I mean?

1424
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:32.279
You know what I mean, Christ, Oh my gosh. Not just.

1425
01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:39.239
M four is a body but just removed, just kind

1426
01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:40.199
of deconstructed.

1427
01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:44.119
He's just he's just a sphere. He's just a sphere boy, Yeah.

1428
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:48.279
Which I mean for boys, for for folks with penie,

1429
01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.880
it's all you need. You just need a sphere.

1430
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:57.479
Actually, the plural of penis in Latin is actually pain.

1431
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:02.840
As for folks with pain it is you just need

1432
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:05.399
a cylinder as isolate.

1433
01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:09.279
That makes and like run a promoter, run a promotional

1434
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:11.640
campaign to get listeners with that one.

1435
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:18.560
Nisyne's it has the third declension now.

1436
01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:21.479
Also the name of the female lead in the forest

1437
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:27.800
Cump porn parody worst Hump Pennies penn.

1438
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:32.960
Oh God, I think you and I came in.

1439
01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:37.760
Hop forest top and so a lot just kept humping.

1440
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:47.479
It's not cute anymore, not cute, not cute. I think

1441
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:47.840
we did it.

1442
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.239
I think we did it. In the MP goes on

1443
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:52.000
the spreadsheet.

1444
01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:58.720
Ye, outstanding, It's not a Hey, let's give Kenny compliments

1445
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:02.520
for his outstanding ship. Pork No, no, no, no, we

1446
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:05.600
must go back to the original conceit, the central conceit

1447
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of this podcast. I'm trying to answer the most important

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01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.640
question and fandom, which is better Star Trek for Star

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01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.319
Wars again the episodes that we are pitting against each

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01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:16.479
other as wrectly and from Methusla or Star Trek the

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01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:20.760
original series versus a Storm of a Ryeloth from Star Wars.

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01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:23.760
The Clone Wars. I will go first with Wrecly and

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01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.720
from Methusa. I'm feeling charitable today. I'll give it a

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01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:28.119
six point five.

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01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:36.560
Hmmm. I'm going to give it the most solid of sevens.

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01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:42.079
Hell yeah, you do love to see it, you know, no,

1457
01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.920
I want to give it a seven to Okay, Okay,

1458
01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:46.920
I really did.

1459
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:49.039
Want to give it a seven, but for some reason

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01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:53.239
I was talking myself down from it. But it feels

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01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:57.399
like a seven. Yes, it's a really good episode. I

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01:27:57.840 --> 01:27:59.039
really enjoyed myself.

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01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:03.520
Good performances, good ideas, fun, fun things to talk about,

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01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:07.800
fun things to them all over. James Daily as Flint

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01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:10.039
is a great performance.

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01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:14.479
Man, I'm telling you. Guest performances in Star Treker were

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01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:20.680
like banger oops, all bangers, like they often save an

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01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:24.119
episode for me. I wonder that's part of it if

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01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:26.640
this episode didn't have such strong supporting actors.

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01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:32.079
And also yeah, honestly, yeah, that could be the expector too.

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In the central conceit that which bumps up against rotten barriers, humanity,

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01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:41.119
rodden berrious humanist vision of all the things were achieved

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01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:43.760
by humans and instead went to that kind of chariot

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01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.399
of the gods thing where it was all kind of

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01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:50.840
achieved by aliens or this uh extra worldly thing, and

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01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.319
instead a lot of the great men of the world

1477
01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:57.680
were actually this one guy. Kind of it robs power

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01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:01.840
of the human propaganda that Star Trek. But the episode

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01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.960
still works even with me fundamentally disagreeing that I don't

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01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:09.840
want this episode to exist. Yeah, Yeah, that's how good

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01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:10.560
of an episode it is.

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01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:13.760
Well, I propose that it's okay that one guy was

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01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:16.079
all the other guys because there have been so many

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01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.960
other extraordinary people throughout history, many of them not just

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01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.319
some fucking white dude.

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01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:29.800
So how dare you rally against Roddenberry's humanist propaganda? But

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01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:32.359
it's still anyone's game. As we pop over to storm

1488
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:36.039
over rya loth where I'm going to give this one. Yeah,

1489
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:40.039
I'm feeling it an eight. Eight.

1490
01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:45.640
This was a superb episode, one of the probably one

1491
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.720
of the best pieces of Star Wars that I've watched

1492
01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:52.159
since the two D clone Wars, and might even be better.

1493
01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:59.199
Yeah, it is, just it is a really fun, unexpected

1494
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:04.279
and intelligent episode of Star Wars, anchored by a really

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01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:05.479
strong premise.

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01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.640
And also good performances.

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01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:11.479
Yeah, the plot takes a backseat, which has been kind

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01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:15.000
of rare for Star Wars for a while, and I

1499
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:17.920
really enjoyed that to focus on characters and emotions.

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01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:21.199
It's very much needed and it is very enjoyed on

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01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:23.319
my part. That's why I give it an eight.

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01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:27.520
I'm going to give it a little bit higher. I'm

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01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:28.840
going to give it an eight point three.

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01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:30.560
Hell yeah, you do love to see it?

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01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:32.279
Hello, my girl.

1506
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:35.239
Interesting because I gave Defenders a piece of nine, but

1507
01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:37.039
I'm giving this one an eight. And I think this

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01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:40.920
episode is better. But it doesn't matter because the numbers

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01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:45.119
don't lie, which means directly from Metzusla has a paltry

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01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.840
seven versus storm over Rylos eight point one p. Five,

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01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:48.720
which means.

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01:30:48.720 --> 01:31:01.680
Aspen, I'm the winner, baby, truly, We're all winners.

1513
01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:05.600
That's That's exactly That's exactly what I was going to say,

1514
01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:09.399
because I feel like it's been.

1515
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:15.760
It's been pretty weak sauce for a while, and it is.

1516
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:19.399
It is nice, like a like an oasis in the desert,

1517
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:22.279
to have two great episodes as opposed to one really

1518
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:25.279
good episode in one episode where we are just kind

1519
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:28.800
of trying to very much like anakin of the volcano

1520
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:33.279
pit on Mustafar, crawling ourselves up with a robot hand.

1521
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:43.680
But you know who doesn't hate us, our patrons, Oh,

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01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:46.920
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1527
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:02.600
we get to come out net positive, which is pretty

1528
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darn cool. I like that, and you too could join

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01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:20.159
partner in newest contributor bow Bab Cactus who found us

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01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:22.399
through the Jesse Earl episodes. Let that be your last

1533
01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:26.880
battlefield versus trespass. So, bow Bab Cactus, we welcome you.

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01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:29.840
Thank you for so much for being a patron. Huge

1535
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:30.560
shout out to you.

1536
01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:36.560
We we love you. Yay, nothing great, thank you.

1537
01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:40.600
No, I was just thinking I was just like, oh gosh,

1538
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:42.880
so soon to say I love you. No.

1539
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:48.119
Overwhelmed Then no, because bab Bab Cactus, as a member

1540
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:50.399
of the human race, you inherently have value and you

1541
01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.399
are deserving of love. If it is not love from

1542
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:55.640
a person, that it is loved from a universe, because

1543
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.039
you are here and you deserve love. All right, So.

1544
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:02.159
Cactus, me and Aspen love you.

1545
01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.439
Speaking of people that Aspen loves partner along with being

1546
01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:10.840
a patron, is also our composer of the I Starship

1547
01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.319
At theme song. Our main and any theme song was

1548
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.079
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01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:21.439
in order to get more of his delicious, delectable musical licks.

1550
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:25.319
If you want to get into in contact with us

1551
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:27.319
in a way that's not just signing up for Patreon,

1552
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:29.520
why don't you send us an email just like Austin

1553
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.920
Aaron did at the beginning of the episode. An email

1554
01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:34.880
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1555
01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:39.319
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1556
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:40.159
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1557
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:49.319
Uh anything else. Aspen No, No, Aspen, yeah, Aspen what?

1558
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:51.800
I love you so much?

1559
01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:52.840
I love you.

1560
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.560
I'm glad you. I'm glad you weren't like, actually tired

1561
01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:56.800
of me.

1562
01:33:59.199 --> 01:33:59.239
No.

1563
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:02.640
I I don't think I could ever get tired because

1564
01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:04.600
we love you. May the force me with you and

1565
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:05.560
let walking prosper