All Our Yesterdays v. Holocron Heist

0:00 Said, hear ye, hear you. The Trek Wars podcast is now in session, the one podcast that dares to answered the question which is better Star Trek versus Star Wars by going through both franchises in chronological release order, episode by episode. I am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent with me as per always as the co host with the mo host.

0:47 Rore ice Age Aspen, but Star Wars fan. Aspen, I totally forgot right beforehand. You went through the library portal, sorry, the Infantation Center portal, and your molecules have totally been converted to five thousand years ago. And it's only if we steal a holochron that we can get the information that we can put you back to a normal smart That's right. I'm dumb, and I'm Kenny, and today we are covering all our yesterdays. The penultimate episode of Star Trek the original series from season three, and a holochron heist, the premiere episode from Star Wars the Clone Wars season two breaking off into a season, and I, for one can't be happier you what are you happy about? Well, breaking off a new We're starting a new season of Wars.

1:47 Oh, I like zoned out for a second. I thought you were talking about being happy about cos being over. I am. Also, I'm very excited. I'm very excited. We are almost I adore TOS. And also it's just a very very satisfying sensation. Whenever TOS is just we will be done, we will be done with it. It's and then there will be a new aesthetic that you will have to get used to. Yeah, it's true. Is that the animated series? So it's the same aesthetic but animated. No, no, okay, it's. The same but different. You know, do you know how like whenever uh, your parents, whenever you were being driven home and you were driven by a McDonald's and you were like, I want to make nuggets, and they said, we've got make nuggets at home, and then they served you like chicken.

2:46 Just just like white breast dry chicken. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Oh which one is? Which? I'll leave that to you. I will lead that to you. It may it may be a completely different metaphor from we have mcnauguests at home versus like we have McNuggets at home and then they serve you like a hamburger. Oh, and you're like, this is not McNuggets. This is not what I was expecting. Yeah. Also maybe dry, but it's got mayonnaise on it. But we're not here to talk about drying is. We're here to talk about all our guests did it yesterdays versus Hollowcrown heighs. But before we get to it, yeah, we have some pieces of correspondence to attend to.

3:33 Pss pss car is. Piece that's right, that's right? Really hamburger? Why a beyond Burger? While you go ahead and order Hamburger using the Patreon money. We have some comments from our Patreon from user feliat I, a Jolty partner, the composer of our start ship at theme song. The first comment uh is in regards to one of our episodes, the Savage Curtain versus Hostage Crisis, and the first piece of correspondent says, this post has the wrong audio attached. It's a copy of the Austin bat Boy of Improv episode. So thank you for letting us know, Joel. We repaired that second piece of correspondence alsome from Jolty partner.

4:24 You're so funny for reading that. You're like, You're like, I just want to call out a hero like. The worst hero gets used too much today these days, but it truly does apply here. Yeah. Uh, they say that a hero can save us. I'm not going to stand here and wait. Speaking of not standing here and waiting, I'm going to read this thing. Also from user guilty partner Aspen has recently seen in roughly this order informing us of the Star Trek the nectionary episodes that Aspen has seen. Could I have asked, Aspen. Sure would have remembered? No?

5:07 No, here are the episodes Tapestry I the Captain Picard in the past, and also Captain Card has a blue shirt Darmock Darmak and Gelata Tanagra Captain's Holiday. What if a captain was sexy? Second Chances? What if a writer wore a yellow shirt? The price I believe whenever Troy loses her powers. No, no, no, no, that's the loss. She doesn't lose it. It's just that she meets another She meets a guy, another betazoid, but he like is a part betazoid and he uses it for negotiation. Uh, and like be an little stinker?

5:47 I think so. Skin of Evil. What if someone died Yesterday's enterprise? What if someone came back to life Redemption and Redemption too. What if someone died then came back to life? Had a darn Uh? The First Duty? Uh? What if? Uh there was a mistake? Booby trap? What if there's a booby trap? Uh? Kenny? Next best of both worlds? You're darn right? I did, which is on my list. Some of the ones I'm considering up next are the drum Head we did, we watched the drum had great episode, Dynamite episode Enson row A's Gonna love Benson Roe, chain of Command, Uh, pretty darn good. Didn't want to go with those too early since they cover a lot of DS ninety precursor feeling material. And that's correct because it was kind of in tandem with creating who the Cardassians were. Similarly, the one O'Brien episode of the Next Generation, which I forget what the name of it is, but it introduces the Kardashians and it's a very very good episode.

6:55 Uh. And finally, from Joel t partner, I also know all of the movies in which Bcar appears have to be off limits for stealth obvious reasons. Oh yeah, wow, wow wow. Uh. And that's my Jolsey partner and from user about Bad Cactus, who commented on our Patreon, Oh my goodness, thank you for saying you love me. He he. I took my sweet time getting to this episode, but what a treat. Keep up the good work, both of you. Thank you so much about Bad Cactus. Sweet. Love it nice, We love it and we love hearing from you. We're having a nice time. I enjoy doing this podcast with you. I don't know if you picked up on those vibes much like your favorite movie Tenant, so too, do I pick up on those vibes?

7:41 Ah? Yeah, my favorite movie Tenant? Mm hmm, that is what I said during our Patreon I said it's my favorite movie. I love it so much. I don't love anything else. That's right. Ah sweet sweet? And you know what else is sweet? Aren't you? This week? Awesome to you? I give you little kisses on your head. Yeah, they were pretty sweet, honestly. And do it into it? Should we go into it? I am. I am in to it, and I'm into it ing that you're in as well. I'm having I'm doing so well.

8:31 What's going on? Pull? I'm trying to pull up and try to pull up the episode of information sure, but I'm trying to pretend like I'm not. I'm like, oh wow, I'm doing a podcast. While you're doing that. Why don't I go ahead and take care of my plot? Synopsis are Yesterday's aired March fourteenth, nineteen sixteen. Ie writer Jean Lestte arrest writing her second episode of Star Trek and director Marvin Chomsky. You know Noam Chomsky, Well this is his cousin, Marvin. And if you're no, I'm trunk sca. If you're looking for that hot new philosophy, then listen to this. From the NBC press release issued February twenty ninth or February twenty fifth, nineteen sixty nine, Captain Kirk, mister Spock, and doctor McCoy are trapped in the past by a machine, just hours before a planet on which the machine is located is to explode. In All Our Yesterday, It's an NBC Television Networks Star Trek Friday, March fourteenth, Ian Wolf guest stars as atas Librarian of the planet about to explode, and Marriette Hartley as Zarahbeth, Girl of the Ice Age.

9:34 Girl Like the Ice Age. That's that sounds like a rad movie. That's yeah, it's very like Conan. But Sarahbeth, Girl of the Ice Age. Yeah. Captain Kirk is transported to Old England, where he is accused of being a witch, not actually true. Another escapee from the doomed planet tells Kirk that the machine which brought them both there cannot transport them back alive. Spock and McCoy are transported to the Ice Age and be the girl who tells them they are doomed to finish their live it's there. Spock phones in love with the girl and tries to kill McCoy as his Vulcan mind and body begin to revert in an ominous manner. We're going to get to it. I am bewildered as to why Spock starts to revert, but McCoy and Girl of the Ice Age don't.

10:19 Now because humans were always at cantankerous. I oh, I see, so we haven't really changed much in the years since an Ice Age. Look. It brings up a litany of world building questions, and also posits that the Vulcans feel emotions always, but at some point they they were unable to practice restraint because that is a genetic evolution. As opposed to a learned philosophy. Listen, I not actually, I'm also it is just a TV show. I'm not actually complaining because anything that gives me the Spock moment where he gets to kiss a girl of the ice age and laugh, I'm in.

11:09 Finally fine, Finally a Star Trek episode that tears a positive question, Yeah, what a Spock was horny? Was horny? Was a yeah, like I feel like you just you know, it's just never happens. It's not once, never not. There is no famous episode of Star Trek where he has ever been horning never ever. This one he's he's willingly horny. I will say that willingly. Yeah, that's true. He is willingly he's willingly horny. Yeah, yeah, has he ever been willingly horny? Is the only time I would say no. Because there was the episode, like a there was the Cloudminders where. He was like, oh he is pretty willingly horny in this, but like this in a restrained way, in any restrained way.

11:49 But he's like. He's like so into her. This one. He's like, I'm horny. Also, I'm up for some ribs. Yeah, But that's that's the key difference this week. That yeah, there are a few different implications. It's so funny. It's like, in this penultimate episode of Star Trek original series, I have many questions about everything suddenly, Like I just it occurred to me, Yeah, when they eat meat, I'm like, oh, so, I guess you don't eat meat? Yeah, which is not I don't know if that ever had that ever been explicitly said or noted. I mean, they're eating a lot of cubes, but could they be like, like, what's the production piece of that? Obviously stuff is replicated later, but you know, so anyway, that plus the like I have always been under the impression by the way that I think, I think Spock has explicitly said it if not an original series, I feel like I've seen it in other properties of like bookens are by definition emotional and behaviorally have suppressed it. Yes, that's like the whole vibe. So yeah, I I think I texted you as I was watching the episode. I hadn't looked it up, and I was like, this episode was written by a woman. Oh yeah, And I was so right. Yeah, I do feel like it is the episodes written by women where because that are like what if Spock morny.

13:16 Yeah, but uh, it was only but like emotionally so it was in a subsequent development because originally it was just Splock and Ocoy getting being to the past and they were fighting like cave people. But it was in a subsequent revision where the left interest was added. And I mean it's it is hands down the best aspect of this episode for sure, outside of the woman who's going. So well. But you said he's accused being a witch? Which part of that was not true? Uh? Which part of Kirk being accused of being a witch is not true? Probably the part where Kirk is a witch because he is a witch?

13:57 Was it in England? Part is that? What? Wha? Yeah? Correct? Yeah, I believe the episode is trying to get us to believe that there was a parallel development. That's that's what of the past. But also it is so nebulous right as to where exactly we are, because it is so analogous to as these are the Voyages season three by Mark Cushmiss and Osborne said the time of King Charles, the second around that time, But it never specifically states which planet we are on. So you can believe that that it's Earth, you can believe that it is the star pithon the Planet of the Week this week. Well, I imagine it's your Python, because I think the implication is everyone everyone is either made to go back in time or it has been has requested to be back in their own time.

14:48 So, yeah, a parallel And also like if you're making, like I don't know, just pulling a random example El Monterey bean and cheese microwave burritos in the microwave, just a random example, that detail might kind of get lost and it's only on subsequent research that you kind of find out that it's not actually, So. Can you atic. Just a random example, like if you're microwaving three El Monterey bean and cheese burritos into a piece of dishware that you have, Yeah, well in the kitchenette that you have in your apartment that you're moving on of very soon, right, And then you go back to watching the episode of Star Trek that you don't exactly have your DVDs but you're having to watch it on another platform and having to worry about syncing up subtitles, and so your mind is kind of being a litany of other places the details might get lost that you know you're not on Earth but you're on Star Pithon thought just a random example.

16:02 I thought, in this random example, your random, not you. It's not me. No, someone were to be I thought you're pulling some like beautiful yet funny and clever metaphor. No, you just explained just a random example. You just were hungry. You're just a hungry boy. Again. Well, it's a random. Yeah, it's random, just like an. Idea if someone were to be hungry. We yes, if someone were to be hungry and just three l Monterey bean and cheese buriedo, bean and cheese a piece of dishware dish because the bean and cheese burritos are five points according to the Way Watchers app. Oh, so you can have three of them fifteen apps, fifteen points and forty one points a day.

16:50 That's nice. Oh that's nice example. Oh my gosh, she's a random example. I you know you're dita extract. Story is wild. They call me the weaver because I'm so rich with storytelling details. Did you know that they called me the weaver? Yeah? Okay, let me talking about Star Wars The Clone Wars Holocron Heist, season two, episode one. As you mentioned that two were excited for the first episode of the second season.

17:31 We're about to start Cocoo with gas my bro. Even more so at least thermal. Yeah yi yi yeah, no natural gas around here. Let's see. Released October second, two thousand and nine. Spooky Season of two thousand and nine. Cute, incredible. What was I dressing up for in college that year? I know, I actually know what costume you were dressed as. Oh yeah, tell me sexy gung And. You know, actually I think I was in San Diego, Chile.

18:12 Yeah I was. Okay, let's move on. Was I No, No, I wasn't I was the next year, I'm gonna move on. Darth okay. Would it be a caliente sexy lady. I think it's sexy Gongen, sexy sexy go that's it, okay. Hair lady, sexy Gungan lady okay. Director Justin Ridge, written by Paul Deani Yay and then of course the Henry gil Roy Scot Murphy has series and supervising writers. Ah. You can feel the Deani energy all over it. In fact, I'd say Darth City as Hires, cad Bane, remember Bain to break into the Jedi Temple and Coruscant and steal an ancient holocron from the archives.

19:07 Maybe we do lead it from the archives together with points, together with Gladype Cato Parisity and Techno Service. Droid Toto, who was voiced by Seth green Bain, makes for the Jedi Library, whereas Sookasana was on guard Doony after proving herself too reckless in action on the planet Felucia. That's a really good description. Actually the episode. Sometimes I'm like what And this time I was like, yeah, that's really good. That is it? And you know what banger. At first, I was like, oh no, but then I was like, this is a story. Yeah.

19:49 It Actually it's an interesting one because it starts out I've forgotten because I was like, oh, isn't this it's a holocron ice like we're starting with the heist, but it starts out with a battle. So it's you know, so in and definitely starts like a season premiere, which is great. Right, It's a clever It's a clever little episode starts already. By the way you can tell that, I feel like I can tell like the animation. Is more fluid, Like oh my goodness, was the animation so much more stunning. Ahsoka's like fighting is like, it's still extremely stylistic, but it's like the way that it's flowing and moving is pretty extraordinary. Still in that tube top, I noticed the light beams that were coming in through the troop transport. Yeah, oh yeah, I'm getting diffused by the particles that are in the air.

20:38 Oh glorious, gorgeous. God, it's so good. And your animation is such hard work. Yeah, I. Don't do these themes really hard. These people work so hard in a medium that in American culture is just like ah for kids, right, I don't have to take it seriously. In a medium people are like, you know, what make this better? If we made it all live action, photo realistic. We made photo realistic, and we were like, no, it's real and we can take it serials. Blaw. I fucking hate it. Yeah, wild. But also I did ask Heidi, my partner, oh we see that about it?

21:23 I asked my partner, point blank, if they may Wicked an animated movie, would you go see it? And she was like, no, none at all. Well, I mean it's an interesting question because I I think Wicked, in like all most properties of Wizard of Oz have been live action. So maybe it's like going from one to the other people. I don't know if we feel more resistant versus like, I don't know, like taking this as an animated property and being like, oh, well, we're going to go to live action. I think if the first cinematic adaptation of Wicked was animated, yeah, it would not nearly be the Jiggernut. Well depends you're right.

22:06 I think you are. It would not be the four quadrant hit, but it would be very much a hit. It just wouldn't be like I went to the movies last night to see Craven the Hunter, and I saw a family that was dressed in all green except for one little girl that was dressed in pink. This many weeks were recording on December sixteenth, This many weeks after Wicket came out dressing up. I have a question. Two questions. Yes, was that family there to see Crave in the Hunters? Yeah? They were. Second question, what if Grave and the Hunter had been animated? Oh? I honestly, I think that would make me more interested in seeing it because I'd be going interesting like whenever they were releasing into the Spider Verse. But also you attach Lord and Miller to something, and I'm automatically interested because more than likely it will probably be at minimum good. Right, But we're not here to talk about Phil Waurd and Chris Miller's terrible labor practices. We're here to talk about all Ore Yesterday's versus Holokron heighst Malagron Heist.

23:11 First Impressions, Holochron Heist, wonderful episode. Wonderful. Like you said, it starts out think there is a touch of it like, oh, what kind of episode will this be? Is this another type of like battle type episode, which would be fine, But then it's actually just place setting to have a consequence of Ahsoka's actions to now put her in a place where there is action happening so that she can be part of that. Which it's a much smaller type of story, I mean big and like there are lots of characters involved, but it's it's very cool because it gets to you have to really explore like Jacosta news space and like the library and archives and that like kind of be more in the like the goings on, and then yeah, you get Seth Green doing his best Anthony Daniel's impression.

24:06 There also seems to be a sophistication to this episode, it feels different than all of season one immediately, not just in terms of animation, but I feel like this episode has some breathing room. Yeah, where season one was much more action packed. Sure except for like brief brief bliss and things that the pacing felt more deliberate. Yeah, it just felt different, like. It trusted makes trusted itself a little more like it was. I think so you're right, like it didn't rush. Maybe a first sceneon episode would have been a little too frenetic, Maybe it would have stuck with like the battle side of it, or would have just like immediately plopped men there.

24:53 Maybe like mm hmm, yeah, I think that that's that rings true to me. Yeah, yeah, I it's very It's it's also like it's funny because you just had cad Bane in the last the last episode of the the first season. Chronologically, this is you know how like these episodes technically chronologically or different. I don't think it matters. I think the way that it is presented as a way it's presented from a story like from a like a sort of like shape of show perspective. But it is really interesting to have like ended on him start with him, so you have this type of character who's really interesting and see him from like a different perspective as well. There's a lot of bounty hunters boundy hunter action in this season.

25:44 So yeah, why do you bring up the chronology? Oh, I was just I was this episode technically happened before the previous episode? Yes, I think I think, so look it up. Yeah, I think it was just something when I was like reviewing, I noticed it, like you know, and like Wikipedia will list it. Let's see episode is chronologically preceded by Liberty on Ryloth, So I don't actually know where the Senate one is actually like what it would if that would actually even then be before or after whatever, it would.

26:25 Be so interesting because of thematic progression is that the Senate was just invaded. Now the Jedi Temple is being invated, which feels like a natural escalation. Yes, yeah, and to me, but I think that's why in my mind, it doesn't really matter to me chronologically where something is right. If thematically it's being there's a reason why it's thematically being put here. Uh you know that. Yeah, while it's happening, maybe at a different point you can see like yes, yes, like in a and the building of tension, of things starting to break apart. Also, like the way that this episode starts very deliberately feels like Folonian Company being like, here we go, here we are, We're back. Season two, bigger, better, more action, deeper stakes, more complex people lose Ahsoka doing yet another thing where she is following Anakin's advice, Anakin's teaching and learning another consequence from it. Yep, great feels like a thematic statement. Even though I don't know what's going to be happening this season feels like it just feels like a thematic statement. I don't know if I also did write down I wish I didn't know what happened to Ahsoka in the end, Oh sure, because it felt very It felt like another piece of stuff dropping. But I

27:59 don't know if that was intentional. I'm pretty sure Filoni was kind of making up the arc of what Ahsoka was doing as he went along, as opposed to having a grand design, because spoiler alert, that's usually how writing works, right, just kind of make it up as you go along, and if you're a good writer, you were able to extrapolate the details that are already there into like a coherent thesis. I guess I, as someone who has watched all of this and knows what happens, I took this as just like a character development moment for her, because that, I think is what's really great about it the episode is that it does like a whole bunch of stuff at once, which is it has, through through character development, leads us logically to a next step. You know, if this then what kind of moment and so just kind of isolated on its own of the like where is Ahsoka at in her process of becoming the person she's going to become?

29:00 This is an important moment, like like she made a mistake. She also made a mistake based off of like you know, like I just I learned it from watching you, and like is given a punishment. It's not a particularly horrifying one, but still, honestly, she's still like fourteen, right, fourteen fifteen? And oh there's even a comment that Anakin makes where he's just like, I forget sometimes you are so young, and also he's the old baby too, so well, whatever. It's like when I was sixteen working at a science day camp and I was like with twelve and thirteen year olds and I was like, did you know that I'm an adult, like for like four years, three years apart.

29:41 It's like that they're also fucking child soldiers, right, And I think there is something to that of like you are still very young and like you never got to be a kid, you're still not getting to be a kid, and like you're so extraordinary and yet sometimes like I forget, you know, and I think that's really valuable. So yeah, this feels like a repivot for for the well not exactly a repivot. We're just what they used to do, uh in television, which is just get us used again to the situation quo is, here's what the status quo is, just in case and for new viewers, here are the characters that we're going to be following.

30:30 And then a sophistication and just in terms of the patients that I feel like the storytelling gets afforded. The characters feel smarter, I don't know, not exactly smarter, but just because I mean we're coming up from the basement in terms of where the prequels were, and the Clone Wars is definitely repiloting some of the characters. Like who. Makes and do oh yeah, Mace wind Do. I do think that Mace Window in that last season and then in this as well. He just I think we've talked about this that, like he just you know when people talk about they're like Master Window, it's like even more powerful than Master wind do. And you kind of like watch the Prequels and you're like, is he powerful?

31:21 And then you watch Clone Wars and you're like that bro. Is Yeah, because the Prequeurs is a lot of telling and very little showing. Yeah, as was the Clone Wars, which is better hands down. Yeah, even I as someone that is really happy to learn how to watch Clone Wars, I can I argue that even the Clone Wars movie light years better than the kinds of storytelling is that the Prequels were doing good ideas on paper, execution extremely lacking, but. Well yeah, well that's just because of I don't know, stinky. The hut you mean Jeremy Allen White.

32:03 I do mean Jeremy Allen White. Everywhere, slicking that hairback, playing stinky, slicking that hairback, sexy little hut, that weird thing. What a weird thing. Anyways, So yeah, this week's episode of Star Wars pretty darn good. First canon, first canon mentioned the Holo chron Yeah, it is. And it's fun to know that there's just like a little room where they're all just like nestled in there and they could just pop up. That's all. That's it. That's it. There you go. Why am I struggling for depth of the topic.

32:46 There's not much thematically to go Oh okay, And it's not exactly a classic highst episode because a heist has a very specific formula where the heist, you plan out the heist, you lay out the rules, and the rules usually go wrong, right, because we're also not rooting for the people that are heisting. We are rooting for our heroes to stop the heist. It goes on as Ocean's eleven, great movie. Actually, I think a lot of the times we're rooting for the histers. Oh, in this case, we're in. This episode where no I Got you, I Got you ic icy, But very often we are rooting for the histers. Ocean's eleven, Oceans twelve, oce Is thirteen, shoot, even Oceans eight.

33:27 Oh, definitely Ocean's eight a fantastic film. You're right, I really enjoyed that. Thank you. It's one of the top five film going experiences in my life, honest to God, really just fun for you. Yes, Because I was in Upstate New York. I had just gone to the Star Trek Original Series set tour that took about an hour, but I was still in Upstate New York. I was staying the night. I was like, what is other to do? I know what I love to do. Go watch a movie. Went to a tourist town that had a one screen theater. It's the only movie theater. Within thirty minute and you could feel the energy because people were just excited to watch a movie and the energy was palpable, and that screening of Oceans eight was awesome. And then afterwards I talked with the theater owner for like thirty minutes or so and they're like, yeah, the theater just closes in the winter because it's too cold.

34:21 And it just just amazing. It was one hundred year old theater. It feels like an art not having so many options available to all the time, Like what does it mean to have like limited? It's complex, right, because with the greater democracy of these things, you get more voices, but also that means you have to scream even louder, and then what inevitably happens whenever things get curated. Is that those voices are usually the first to get eliminated because exactly racism and sexism and misogyny in all of those things.

35:01 Ooh, say it to me more sexily? Is that your sexy. Oh boy. Sounds like a horny spot to me? Speaking of horny spot, that's probably a good transition point to our yesterdays. Oh god, I'm so good at these segues. You are great at these segues speaking of standing on your own two feet and rolling along? How do you think that this episode rolled along? I also really liked it. I believe I texted you that's I should be a little I should be honest.

35:47 I should have been honest with everybody to start with, I'm a little sleepy. I stayed up trying to finish this work assessment thing and to try to get a job, and I wanted to be really good and I a lot of the time, too much time, and honestly be sleepy boy. Great job, So thank you. Yeah, because of Nindia, I can't even like you just have to take my word for it. I can't. I'll let everybody know if I got a new job. If you see Aspina's name pop up, on Disney Plus. Don't be surprised this is where you heard it first. Imagine. No, it'll probably just be one of those stupid things on LinkedIn where it's like, I congratulate it has been on their new work, and I'll be like, don't congratulate me on my new capitalistic adventures.

36:30 Speaking congratulating well loved characters for new achievements, so to to spot include achieve a new achievement this week, I think a different part of their emotional abilities. Yeah, it's true. No, I texted you. I said, I wish I wish this were the finale of the series. Like I do feel like there is something very emotionally satisfying about the episode, like a great exploration of character, like putting everybody into individual situations that are very like the steaks are really high, and they get to explore different pieces of themselves. I like the separation of Kirk from Spock and McCoy, so Spock and McCoy.

37:13 Have to be the ones together, a very rare pairing of just Spock in McCoy. And I specifically wrote this down because McCoy never really gets his own episode. The closest that we get is for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky. Yes, where McCoy is dying. Yes, he falls in love. He's like, I think I'm gonna stay stay here, ends up not staying there. But that in terms of a McCoy focused episode, that's it. Yeah, I don't know what it was, but the forest Kelly was just singing for me. Because Spock is a much showier role. Yes, Kirk is obviously, he's the lead of the darn thing. William Shatner Crease the archetype of what a captain is. Yeah, in the popular consciousness.

38:00 A period, a real swanky dude. Real swanky dude. And then McCoy is doing a lot of work over here being like ah, which it's always satisfying. It is. I love watching mccoyby Kin tankeris, which is very often uh. And also he cares passionately about things. He cares passionately about his friends, even though he is very racist against Spock, but he loves Spock dearly. He does love Spock. He loves Spuck and he respects him greatly. And he's extremely concerned about Spock this week.

38:44 Yeah, and Spock is extremely concerned about him because they go into this ice age, and because he's human versus bocks Wulcan, he starts going into hypothermia and almost dies. And you can tell how worried Spock is. His woken way about him just a very strong like. I'm glad. I actually did really like the ice Girl character. I really liked her. I don't know. Sometimes again, sometimes. The Zarabeth Girl of the Ice Age. Yeah, Zarabeth Girl of the Ice Age. Like sometimes you know we say this, it happens a lot, like the guest stars can sometimes make something. And I do feel like she just had this sense about her. It was deeply calming. Yes, I thought it was just like a It's like one of those lovely little performances. So I don't hate that she's there. I would have loved even more Spock McCoy though. I mean, you know, I could have sat with Spocking McCoy longer than I sat with like Kirk trying to argue that he wasn't a witch.

39:44 But like you said, I could watch that lady who was like you you're a witch. I can watch her for an hour. You're talking about Mary Att Hartley, who was who appeared on the Rock with files appeared James Garner in a series of Polaroid TV commercials. According to these, the Voyage of Season three by Mark Cushners is osborne. She did like three hundreds of those commercials and then one an Emmy for the crank two part episode of The Incredible Hulk. Great see that's a hero. Also, and then was also cast in subsequent Gene Roddenberry pilot Genesis Too.

40:27 Yeah, you can like you know again and you can know a good a good performance right truly, And there's a lot of emotion, a lot of like that sort of like held back but still like over if that mean, like that makes any sense, Like I that's that kind of restrained like adoration and m hm. So yeah, I'm very I'm with you. I'm very pro McCoy. I love I love Bones with every bit of me. And his contankerous nature, the fact that when he has those moments of breaking, it's like he's deeply emotional or worried or quiet, like they sing that much more because of it, you know, like he's just a deeply authentic character. Yes, so yeah, So I think any time that there's the opportunity for that, it feels so satisfying and I would take that all the time, like all the time, you know.

41:26 So agreed. And then I mean the relationship between Spock and Zerabeth and Spock's eventual turning from the logical character that he is into someone that is a little bit less inhibited. And then the note that the episode ends on because it comes upon originally there was going to be Originally the episode was going to end with Zara best staying in the past because if she came back, she would get old fast, and she didn't want to get old, okay, And so luckily Fred Kreiberger at the very last minute was like indented there, They're molecules are a thing, right, which is also a wild conceit, but also I'm like, cool, great, that's the wonderful that's that's wonderful.

42:21 And also that's the conceit of why this paga is getting his emotions back, because molecules are getting used to the past or something like that, and that's our ticking clock. It's science fiction, gobllygook in order to explore this thing. Great, I mean, it gets a little muddy because it's like they weren't dared and yeah, yeah, yes, because we got mister we got mister Ataz, Yes Ataz. Who is yes, the librarian, the librarian. Actually, as we're talking about it, I don't usually get so caught up on a world building, but the world building of this episode is absolutely muddy, inflamaxing. It's really sweaty. It's really really sweaty, and all of all of the world. I mean, I don't strive in this episode nearly as much as you do, because about half of the episode, maybe like five eighths of the episode is pretty sweaty in terms of set up and in terms of the Kirk stuff, which the Kirk stuff is fine, but that's what it is. And then we've got this three eighths of stuff over here where Spock is falling in love and losing his losing losing his ability to hold on to his emotional control. And I'm like, ah, that's the juice. That's that's not exactly what the episode is about, or else it would be a little bit more well constructed. Let me try here, we go, let

43:55 me try here. They land on this planet because they're like, it's star is going to super nova. Yeah, already already a bit sweaty already. They they're cutting it a bit close by landing on a planet and the star is about to go nova. Right, pretty sweaty, it's pretty sweaty. But they get there and no, like there is no They end up in this library with this guy, but there's like two replications of him, some replicants, but here's a real guy. It's so creepy it makes for some creepy twilights any kind of things. People aren't there, and they just start and he they they're presumably they've already left, and they're like, oh, okay, so we'll just look around at the stuff in the library. Okay, even though everything.

44:49 Gets to nova, like again, the sun is the sun famously, a very powerful thing is about to blow. Up about and they're just like looking at the micro fish, you know, like doing their thing. And then while Kirk is looking at their equivalent of the like medieval England or whatever, he pops in and he pops into that space. Okay, he hears he hears a lady. Oh, here's a lady screaming, and that's why he runs into help because that's his vibe. So he runs through the doorway ends up in this space. So that's that's Kirk's vibe. He here's a woman screaming, he goes, he goes an opportunity.

45:34 Yes, so let's just talk about his for a second here. So he's back there and again he's hearing their voices they're trying to get to so he's accused of being a witch. And also just to paint the picture for folks that are playing at home edition, this is well into the first act, so we've had to tease right. The act was so you're a librarian, but there we go play the credits, and then Act one is basically explaining what the information center is, which is a library, which fun, fun, fun piece of knowledge Jean Lea's arrest. The writer of this episode was a librarian at UCLA. Her first episode was the wonderful is There in Truth No Beauty? Remember the episode with the meducin I love that episode, A dynamite episode. In this episode, she was pitching something else could tell that it wasn't going to go to script, and then she was like, what if there was an episode at a library and they were like, great, let's do it. Let's do it, which I love.

46:43 We love information services. I'm for I am I too. I'm also writing a screenplay about attractive podcaster that looks at a phone a lot of the line. Yeah, man, just write what you know, you know, medieval England libraries. He's there. I'm gonna skip over this stuff. He ends up in jail. And the thing about it is that there's a magistrate there, and it turns out that the magistrate is also from that like present time. Right, Okay, So that's the thing. You just put a pin in that putting a pin and then there's a magistrate and then I'll write it down on the footnotes and the magistrate.

47:24 The like Spock McCoy thing is that they end up because they were looking at Ice. They end up in the Ice age and they were into this. Girl well because they hurt. They saw that that Kirk went through. What's going on? Uh, they saw that Kirk went through naturally their boyfriend goes through this thing. They be like, no, well he's a boyfriend. We have no one else kids, our boyfriend, and they very territorially go chase for their boyfriend because they don't want to share, even though it is a polycule. So they very much are territorial. But Disapfortunately the ment they they have been looking at ice, so Ice, that's how it works. You look at what you look at, you holding your brain, you go through it.

48:07 Right. So they end up that's where they meet ice age girl. Right, this is where they meet her. She says to them, Sarah about the girl the ice age, that she was sent there as punishment to be alone. So this is this is I camera because she seems pretty nice. Yeah. I think it was like a rebellion thing. I don't know. Don't worry, don't worry about it. But the point here the grabs you by the shoulders and goes. Don't don't worry about it, okay, because this is what I'm trying to get to, which is she's this tool has been used to send her to a prison, effectively solitary confinement in the middle of the ice right, So that's how that's happened. The magistrate is in this other time, did the same thing happen for him? Presumably everybody else has left.

48:58 Well, the magistrate went back in time because the magistrate wanted to live in pure hedonism, I assume so he because he's talking like this that he wants PA And so he's a magistrate and he's got that long hair, and he's got a hat and he seems like he's living his best life, but. He's also like, yeah, I guess. The other thing is like, is this the actual the actual past? Like is it the actual past? So I guess because then it begs a question because it's kind of established that these are like books. Yeah, but also it is time travel, okay, ultimately, ultimately, okay, ultimately, rules like this aren't very important as a meat that you're chewing on, Yes, is good, is quite rich.

49:46 I'm usually like that, but right now I feel preoccupied because I don't think it is. It's pretty sweaty because not enough real estate I feel is dedicated to spot. Yeah, exploring this. Yes, there is a lot of setup for a very juicy thing that ultimately gets happening very late in the episode. You could have built a stronger episode if you had gotten rid of the rest of the gobbledygook and instead you could have just stranded our characters on an ice planet that has some gobbledygook in the atmosphere that interferes with vulcans and stuff. Mm hmm, yeah, I mean make it about what it's actually about, Like Kirk's storyline is boring in this, Like I don't care that he's there and then gets put in this prison without a lot of steaks.

50:36 There could be something, especially post McCarthyism, that could be rich explained. It could explored in which in which trials, and it's just a different perspective. But yeah, that's not what they did. So a comedic b plot. Yeah, and they don't it. Also, this is kind of like diet City on the Edge of Forever. Yeah, that's true, which is just to go with a metaphor again, Uh, this is your parents telling you that we have city at the edge of forever and it's and you're like, it's the same hot city on the edge of forever flavor. Yeah, this has been through the process or too many times.

51:24 Oh my god, I remember sitting on the edge of Forever. What episode that was brave enough to ask the question, what if there's a city on the edge. Forever more brave or less brave than what if there was a planet that was one big city? I'm sorry, slow down, the whole planet is one big gues city. Wait, okay, Kenny, let me go. Okay, so can you just I know this, It shouldn't matter because it's sweaty, I know it isn't the point. It's very sweating. We answered, we very rarely do this mechanic.

52:07 It's the planet was one b It just you. Know, can you answer the question for me? Of everybody who's on this planet, it's about to supernova, So they've all escaped from the planet by going back or forward in time, that's. Right, right, So that presumably they're going to have a bad time. Imagine they're like looking through pictures and they're like, oh, an explosion. What I'm feeling from these future vibes is a lot of vacuum. Right, This quite literally sucks. Yeah. So I mean like, m you're funny. Yeah, I mean like it's a vacuum drop. It's like my vacuum drop.

52:49 You Hoover did up. Okay, So presumably everybody wins the library. They what is the library? Here we go and they opened a book and they said there, that's why I went to their microfie. He said, that's where I want really want to live in Moby Dick. Right, But like they're equivalent, like they all did that. They all did that, all of them. Wow, you know, I don't think the episode did a good enough job despite all the time. It's spent on the like this is the thing and there is a twilight Zonian conceit. One of the most famous episodes of Highlight Zones about a man who is obsessed with books and a library and these people, literally mister aid has is like not too much on recent history.

53:41 They were kind of more focused on the past. There is there are themes to be explored about being lost within past history and not looking around at what at present is. Yeah, becoming lost within these other things without looking around at what is going on. But it's just too thematically muddled. It's too much like there is never a clarification. There was never for me a clarification. And I was not heating Monterey Jack burritos with cheese for three at a time on my fiesta. I was not doing El Monterey Elma bean and cheese burritos.

54:23 Microwave does put them in the microwave for three and a half four minutes. You got it, You got a good four minutes. You might be a little bit too hot three and a half minutes, Uh that be might might actually be just the ripe temperature, but it's yeah, you might still get a little bit cold. But again, just a random example. Random example, I was not doing that. I was, I was paying attention, right, And I feel like it's still because it was, like I just it never to me. It like didn't until a halfway through, like truly strike me that it was like actually going into the past as opposed to like going into a simulation of a past, you know what I mean. So I it was just weirdly like I was like, maybe that also like mess.

55:11 Because the episode didn't start until pretty darn late. And also by this point they knew that they were canceled start Trivenue, that it was canceled, so they're like, let's just kind of get this. Could it have been better? Sure, but I think they were more focused on like everyone was pretty sad, although they do indicate that because this episode felt Spock focused, the mood on set was a little bit more positive. Oh yeah, because it's just different spot. Yeah, because Leonard Mooy play Spock a very specific way and because he was doing something different. If the mood on set just felt different. But also like the tenor of things is, yeah, they're probably not too terribly worried about thematic cohesion at this point. Yeah that's fair, But also like we've had some recent episodes that were kind of great Cloud Minders Way to Eaten, although Way to Eat in famously not a great episode.

56:19 I mean, I think I liked this more than a lot we've gotten lately, for which is why I think I'm going to give it more props. But now that we're talking in the general season three nests All Yesterday is slightly above average compared to like the big swath of episodes where we were just like what a slog as opposed to like again, Cloudminders, Hot App, Way to Eten, hot at Raccom from its fun app, Lights of his at a interesting app. Yeah, Sash Curtain sleepy through that one. So going back to Star Wars, which I won't see the Cone the Clone Wars, I won't detail every plot point of that, but I think it is an interesting sort of like going back to it, another kind of very focused story.

57:13 Yeah, two commonalities. Two episodes with librarians. You're right, there are two libraries and. Show me where I'm wrong, counselor oh, I will let it pass. You are Freda. None of the librarians that get into fights. That's true. Okay, actually we're not talking about Jacosta Nu. Also geriatric librarians. Here was do you remember that You remember that part where he tries to in the Star Trek episode he tries to send him back through, tries to send Kirk back through by like knocking him out and then putting him on like one of those like library like roller carts and then tries.

57:54 To roll in. It was fantastic to say it, but yeah, but Jickosta, who are our baddest bitch who clearly clearly was with Dooku, clearly had some things going on. We love a We love a bitch who was like trust her archives so much that she's just like if it's not there, it's not there. You know. That's our Jacosta New. Yeah she is. They're both old and yeah, so which which librariyan is better? Go? Jista, thank you you were right. If you hadn't been, we would have fought. Oh, mister a Taz has a better name. No, yeah, no, his name is mister a to z mm hmmm.

58:42 Her name is missus Jacosta. At oz Aspen. It's clever. I didn't notice that, so I do acknowledge immediately. Okay, well, did you also notice that Chickosta is a cool name and new is also a cool name. And when we put them together and she's al and Jedi. I like the idea that much like the regular like the Air Force. It's like you might be in the Air Force in the military, but you're like you have a specific job, like you're like a mechanic or you're like you know a code or something. And like, I like the idea that she's a Jedi and she's like, but I'm a librarian. And the librarian part comes first.

59:28 Number one, it's pronounced librarian number. So the shape shifter. Yeah, we're talking about sweating mechanics with the Star Trek episode sweaty mechanic. Yeah. Here in the Star Wars episode, we got a shape shifter. We did a shape that shift. They ship shaped. That's what they do. Ship that's what they shape up. You shape up and you ship out. Uh. And so we got Cato Parasiti yep here shape shifting and digit Costa. Now, now sure we see that our residents ship shaper is able to materialize clothes as well. Now do we do not see a scene where Kato paras City grabs a lightsaber from Joe cost Oh. I like the implications, but Kato Parasity is able to like pulls out a lightsaber and gets into a lightsaber fight with Asokatano famous tub TopWare. But then at some point like obviously you've already gone with me, she synthesized a lightsaber out of nowhere. But then Ahsokatano disarms her. Yep, the lightsaber goes across across the way. Yeah, and then our shape shifter returns to their original shape. What happens to that portion of Kato Para City? Is that just a separate piece of matter? Are what are the implications?

1:00:47 Is that a real lightsaber? Is that just something that resists a lightsaber? What are the rules of resisting a lightsaber? Is she able to synthesize your own magnetism? What does this mean? Kenny? I think I'm gonna have to let you down by not going along with your bit. I think she probably just swiped your cost the news lightsaber. Or it's just TV. You just got a little fan in your head? Yeah, I got I got a little fan. Yeah can you do that? Can you dramatically pop it for me? No? That's there, it is there, it is Yeah, I can't. Oh, this is not this is not good podcasting.

1:01:29 No, No, I think it's great, bus. I can't. I need to get with it. I think you need to. You almost had it, buddy, Okay, Larry Crowley and Mo, let's go. Yeah, I. I your your your Your questions are more interesting than my answer. Mistertain As opposed to the Star Trek, where the sweatie mechanocks are a little bit more evident, As opposed to this one, where the episode was like, I don't worry about it because I think, just go with it, the more the more interesting implications that the Jedi tap and Temple is pregnable to assault.

1:02:16 Apparently like actually fairly easily, Like you know, this is not this is our second shape shifter right like the other one was in attack of the Clones, and so presumably there are other shape shifters that are using it for ill and so if they can just get right in, like I guess okay, I will say, okay, I'm going to give it some credit, some like sort of plot or like like world building credit. Okay, Cadbaane kills a Jedi, which is like not an easy thing to do. But this goes to this notion as opposed to like I think in popular culture versus what Fulony is working very hard to do Flony, as we've heard in the Feloni Zonies, how many times Flony is making active efforts to show that the Jedi are not superheroes but right in the collective consciousness. And as we saw in the two D Clone Wars, the Jedi are superheroes, right, it's in this one the Jedi are just dudes.

1:03:18 They are kind of band dudes. I mean. But like, the plan is clever because I think the implication is that the shape shifter the shape of Shipper, but she has to maybe touch the body to be able to yes, So it said she had to get to a Jedi first to be able to even turn into a Jedi, to be able to get into the space at all. So I think there are a couple of barriers, and it's a testament to Liked being being very scary and very talented as a bounty hunter that actually does get them to that point that they might not have expected because their X men. Also, you can also presume that the Jedi are like, well, no one could ever get us, right, We're Jedi, right, So it's doing what you're saying. I think A question that also pops up is the fact that apparently you can access the internal security systems in blueprints from the computers in the library. Now that is a security risk. I don't care that it's a closed system. Apparently anybody can just walk in if they're shape shifter. It's like imagine your local library and you can be able to hop on to that computer and then like get all the personal files of everybody, so it's just popped in. It is.

1:04:29 It's that gets into who are the Jedi and what are the Jedi representing? Because the Jedi are more representative of religion versus a military force that they have become. I think a religion, anyone should be able to walk in and be able to access anything. But you don't think that's I don't think that's what you. I think it has to be only Jedi can access to that space. Sure that's correct, Yes, right, right, which then begs larger questions than why are only Jedi allowed in the temple? Is it really that difficult? And I guess it's the ari aristocratic right notions of what Jedi have become because it's about what your blood is. It's a very specific thing.

1:05:14 It's not democratized, which. By the way they're about to go into in the next episode, it's about spoilers for sensitive children. Spoilers. Well, yeah, because they they stole the holocron in the end of the episode is it's a list of kids with midi chlorian rich blood, which is eerie. Oh, it's that speaking of implications, getting into the idea of like, you know, just getting into like they're like, you know the way that the Jedi works, are like, hey, you got mediclorian rich child blood. Where can we just take your baby? And they're like, good, take them to become a monk, you know, a space cat monk. You know. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's I think I think you can presume that they actually have a pretty good system.

1:06:00 It's just that these two bounty hunters, and especially Cadbane, are clever, and Cadbane actually kind of does pull off a heist move of if there's a structure to a heist, he they do have the different parts to it, and they're like a heist always has a surprise at the end, right, And from the perspective of the people who are like don't want the high stap and it's it was funny to like it's seeing it from this perspective. Like they get there's always anyone would ever want to go. On exactly they thought they want to get into the communications space. He takes advantage of that. So the surprise of the surprise of the heist, because there's always a magic trick, is that the little thing that he put inside of his little droid Toto Seth Green is a bomb.

1:06:45 And so his like real magic trick is I'm going to take advantage of the fact that you think this is what we're doing, and I'm gonna send a bomb into you to blow you up. And the only reason they survive is because they're fucking Jedi and they're like, wait, bomb, you know right, So it's it's very it's it still gets to have the heist surprise and then yeah, and he walks out with the thing that they never would have expected. Yea, but why wouldn't they? I mean, well, probably because they're like, well oh, because they even say it. They're like, only a Jedi can figure that out, and it's just like well, yanksy poo. Yacksy poo poo poo. Indeed, Cappan's pretty cool. I think I got a little annoyed when he showed up in live action whatever. I don't know, but I was just like, I think I said this before. I was like, don't I just don't like happin Is He's he's he's like a He's a real adversary, you know, which is very cool.

1:07:40 Well, what other characters do you like? I like Ahska, I like you know who? I didn't like Todo. Are you asking? Are you trying to set me up for my starship? It? Don't you take my walk lighter and clip bit? Don't you take my red schird buddy and the disability. I'm gonna sip bit a starship, Aspen, What the heck are we doing today? Gonna pick off favorite starships they go zoom boom zoom, and also our favorite ships that are in the stars that are people loving each other. They don't have to fly, they don't have to fly.

1:08:21 Certainly, they do not have to fly, Aspen, Have you done your work for the week? Or shall I go first? I do have I do have a ship. Ah, I do have a ship. Well, I the starship here is so when the episodes start, the star Wars Clone Wars episode starts. You know, it's part of this battle, so mine is and there are different There's I think a lot of the ships we've already named, like a lot of the you know, gunner ships and stuff. But there's this one that's like part of the banking clan and it's called the Munificent Class Star Frigate. It's the bank Plan brig it and I can like, are I can like show you what it looks like because it is rad to me. They just kind of like show up like in the episode. Yeah, it's right, the shape of it, like it's so it's a banking plan. It's separate to ship.

1:09:23 It almost has a like, I don't know, it feels very for them being all banking plantag It feels very pirty to me. Like the shape of it, and it's very sharp and like the way that like that. Like that sales. They're like the not scales either, what's the word I'm looking for, Like the stuff on the sides, like they kind of like go to these sharp edges. I don't know, it's just like planks the sticking out, Yes, like. Plank sticking out. They have the tiles on the side of the of the ship. I don't know. It's a very sharp kind of guy. I like him. I like him and like it. What a great poll the munificent class star forget And luckily that is not mine, because mine are mister Athos's information discs.

1:10:11 Cute because they can transport you. They certainly can. I'm surprised picked the book. The book thing that he tried to send Kirk through with I would have been a good one. That would have been great, But no, minus the information discs. I've always said reading a good book is a gateway to a million different universes, and none more so literally than here with mister Atos's information discs. You sure do you say that all the time. I say that. It's crazy how much that I say reading a good book is a gateway to a million different universes.

1:10:52 I just like, yeah, I got it. Thank you for your service, see. Thank you for your heravist asking what ship is for you this week? Ah ah. My ship, my romantic ship. I want to go with the boring one. It's a good one. I want to do a good one. Spock and Ice Girl, I love it, and Aabeth Spock and Aabeth Girl of the ice age. He was gonna fucking give it all up for her. He was gonna he immediately McCoy was like, my bro, my bro, my dude, my sweet boy, you are falling hard for her, and he like kisses her at one point and it's just.

1:11:46 Like he kisses her and not only that, it's accompanied with a smile. He smiles and it's a smile of relief and like it. Makes every time, God, every time Spock smiles are like, like I think Leonard Kimohite not to sound like a creep bazoid, but like part of it could be because he like just doesn't get to do it a lot. Just there's just something like I understand people being so attracted to learn niymore, like there's something so beautiful, like the sort of like the joy of the kiss and the connection, and I think it just shows. Up one of the running themes in doing the research through these the voyages is they talk about nim Oi being a little bit intense, yeah, but pretty darn nice. Yeah, And he's intense and they're always like he's intense because like he's having to live with no emotion yeah frequently, right, so that that can lead to an environment that feels weird, yeah for sure. And so every time that he does get to play like this. It's always coupled with like Spock feeling some sort of was not always like in the Naked Time where he's having those all of those emotions and it's quite torturous, but done like this.

1:13:03 He hangs from a tree. He does. A sweet monkey bowie, and this. One and this one gets its own sitting on the edge of forever kind of ending where I mean, Sarabeth is dead. Sarabeth is dead because it's five thousand years ago, and this Bock has a last line that indicates that much because he has returned to his logic. But it's it's that bittersweet ending that Star Trek can be so good at. Yeah, it is pretty devastating. I mean again, if they if they'd spent more time with it. The loneliness, like of her solitude and just knowing that she's going to die alone. Like you know, I think, if I were her, I just go back and just die with my love my life or something. But I guess she probably was like I don't want to make you deal with that.

1:13:55 She could have gone back and been like fix me. I mean, McCoy has pulled up greater miracles in a shorter amount of time. Yes. Yeah, my ship of the week is cad Baine and Cattle Parasity. Cute. I like a very queer friendly relationship because Kato is fem presenting, but also gender is completely dependent on how they are wanting to present themselves. They can be anything. In cad Bane strikes me as someone that can be very hard to pin down in term because by the nature of his profession. Yeah, he lives a dangerous life and here's Kato parasity. Who I'm not saying that it's a good relationship, but Kato is willing to change to whatever the needs of cad Bane could be. Wow.

1:14:52 Yeah, I like the queer representation. That's why Clone Wars is truly a quick your first show. Yeah, I would say, so, that's a good one. I love it. I love it. I love it. Yeah. Solid, solid ships all. Around, solid ships all around, and solid analysis all around. Asking what a genius Kenny, great job yet again, But we can't just keep patting ourselves on the back for the great job that we've done. We got to buckle down and come to the primary concept of the Track Wars podcast. Answer the question once and for all, which is better? Star Trek or Star Wars by ranking both of these episodes of these franchises again. The episode All Our Yesterdays, the penultimate episode of Star Trek the original series versus Holochron Heist, season two, episode one of Star Wars the Clone Wars. I will go first, I will rank All Our Yesterday's a six M. I'm kind of disappointed too because the spots Arabest stuff is so strong, but it's just too little in an episode that has a lot of flab, and it just it's so close to being like a great app it just needed a couple more drafts. But it's not there.

1:16:13 A lot of flab, a lot of flap, fat phoebic. It is fat phoback. I'm scared. I'm scared. Anytime that I see a person, a person of size, I run away. This is very fair, not that part. The fat phobia is always justified, not fair. It's not there, it's not. I'm gonna be a little nicer because I loved that piece so much, and I did like, I thought it was very creative. I think I'm gonna go like a six point eight. Ooh, you do love to see a charitable reading. Yeah, yeah, it is for charity.

1:16:55 It is for charity, which means that All Our Yesterdays comes to a robust six point four, but it's still anyone's game. As we go over to holocron Heist, I'll give this one a seven point eight. There was just something just like your favorite film Tenant. There were just something about the vibes that I was very much, for lack of another term, vibing with this week, or perhaps it was the more deliberate pacing. It wasn't rushing to get to the next set piece. There is some delightful tension. I just really enjoyed it, even if it was pretty straightforward and there wasn't that much thematic meat to chew on in comparison to well, All Our Yesterdays doesn't really have much thematic meat to chew on either, unfortunately. But I just find like holocron Heist more fun vibes.

1:17:47 Yeah, we'll do seven point five. Interesting. Yeah, space to grow. Well, speaking of space to grow, there is no more of growth than it is going to be happening here because we've come to the sides of vote All Our Yesterday's six point four versus holocron Heist Robust seven point six five which means, Aspen, you must be glad because Star Wars wins the week. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Whoa wow, how do you feel light? Do you feel like coming? And it's so pretty like it's just a really gentle afternoon light, like two in the afternoon.

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1:19:57 I might be though, we'll see. I'm very excited. I did it for you. Uh. You can find me on letterboxed. That's where it's most I'm most active. In the track Wars Blue Sky is also where I am most active. Yeah, anything else. Having No, that's very nice of you to say all those things. Well, they're all true because I love you so dang much. I love you. Thanks for hanging out with me. You're so welcome, aspen Uh. May the forest be with you and live along and prosper