Dec. 20, 2024

All Our Yesterdays v. Holocron Heist

All Our Yesterdays v. Holocron Heist

ZARABETH, GIRL OF THE ICE AGE!

Anyways, we start S2 of The Clone Wars. And Spock gets horny.

Aspen talks about the chronology of Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Kenny gets sad he knows about Ahsoka's arc. We also get into the weeds about the "sweaty"...

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Season 1

ZARABETH, GIRL OF THE ICE AGE!

Anyways, we start S2 of The Clone Wars. And Spock gets horny.

Aspen talks about the chronology of Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Kenny gets sad he knows about Ahsoka's arc. We also get into the weeds about the "sweaty" worldbuilding of All Our Yesterdays. I mean, it is sweaty.

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Said, hear ye, hear you. The Trek Wars podcast is

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now in session, the one podcast that dares to answered

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the question which is better Star Trek versus Star Wars

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by going through both franchises in chronological release order, episode

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by episode. I am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent

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with me as per always as the co host with

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the mo host.

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Rore ice Age Aspen, but Star Wars fan.

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Aspen, I totally forgot right beforehand. You went through the

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library portal, sorry, the Infantation Center portal, and your molecules

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have totally been converted to five thousand years ago. And

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it's only if we steal a holochron that we can

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get the information that we can put you back to

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a normal smart That's right. I'm dumb, and I'm Kenny,

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and today we are covering all our yesterdays. The penultimate

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episode of Star Trek the original series from season three,

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and a holochron heist, the premiere episode from Star Wars

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the Clone Wars season two breaking off into a season,

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and I, for one can't be happier you what are

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you happy about? Well, breaking off a new We're starting

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a new season of Wars.

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Oh, I like zoned out for a second. I thought

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you were talking about being happy about cos being over.

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I am. Also, I'm very excited. I'm very excited. We

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are almost I adore TOS. And also it's just a

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very very satisfying sensation. Whenever TOS is just we will

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be done, we will be done with it. It's and

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then there will be a new aesthetic that you will

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have to get used to.

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Yeah, it's true. Is that the animated series? So it's

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the same aesthetic but animated. No, no, okay, it's.

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The same but different. You know, do you know how

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like whenever uh, your parents, whenever you were being driven

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home and you were driven by a McDonald's and you

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were like, I want to make nuggets, and they said,

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we've got make nuggets at home, and then they served

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you like chicken.

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Just just like white breast dry chicken.

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Yeah, yeah, Oh which one is? Which?

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I'll leave that to you. I will lead that to you.

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It may it may be a completely different metaphor from

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we have mcnauguests at home versus like we have McNuggets

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at home and then they serve you like a hamburger. Oh,

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and you're like, this is not McNuggets. This is not

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what I was expecting. Yeah.

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Also maybe dry, but it's got mayonnaise on it.

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But we're not here to talk about drying is. We're

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here to talk about all our guests did it yesterdays

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versus Hollowcrown heighs. But before we get to it, yeah,

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we have some pieces of correspondence to attend to.

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Pss pss car is.

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Piece that's right, that's right?

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Really hamburger? Why a beyond Burger?

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While you go ahead and order Hamburger using the Patreon money.

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We have some comments from our Patreon from user feliat I,

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a Jolty partner, the composer of our start ship at

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theme song. The first comment uh is in regards to

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one of our episodes, the Savage Curtain versus Hostage Crisis,

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and the first piece of correspondent says, this post has

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the wrong audio attached. It's a copy of the Austin

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bat Boy of Improv episode. So thank you for letting

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us know, Joel. We repaired that second piece of correspondence

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alsome from Jolty partner.

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You're so funny for reading that. You're like, You're like,

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I just want to call out a hero like.

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The worst hero gets used too much today these days,

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but it truly does apply here.

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Uh, they say that a hero can save us.

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I'm not going to stand here and wait.

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Speaking of not standing here and waiting, I'm going to

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read this thing. Also from user guilty partner Aspen has

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recently seen in roughly this order informing us of the

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Star Trek the nectionary episodes that Aspen has seen. Could

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I have asked, Aspen.

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Sure would have remembered? No?

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No, here are the episodes Tapestry I the Captain Picard

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in the past, and also Captain Card has a blue

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shirt Darmock Darmak and Gelata Tanagra Captain's Holiday. What if

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a captain was sexy? Second Chances? What if a writer

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wore a yellow shirt? The price I believe whenever Troy

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loses her powers. No, no, no, no, that's the loss.

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She doesn't lose it. It's just that she meets another

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She meets a guy, another betazoid, but he like is

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a part betazoid and he uses it for negotiation. Uh,

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and like be an little stinker?

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and Redemption too. What if someone died then came back

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to life? Had a darn Uh? The First Duty? Uh?

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What if? Uh there was a mistake? Booby trap? What

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if there's a booby trap? Uh? Kenny? Next best of

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both worlds? You're darn right? I did, which is on

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my list. Some of the ones I'm considering up next

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are the drum Head we did, we watched the drum

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had great episode, Dynamite episode Enson row A's Gonna love

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Benson Roe, chain of Command, Uh, pretty darn good. Didn't

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want to go with those too early since they cover

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a lot of DS ninety precursor feeling material. And that's

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correct because it was kind of in tandem with creating

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who the Cardassians were. Similarly, the one O'Brien episode of

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the Next Generation, which I forget what the name of

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it is, but it introduces the Kardashians and it's a

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very very good episode.

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of the movies in which Bcar appears have to be

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off limits for stealth obvious reasons.

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Oh yeah, wow, wow wow. Uh.

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And that's my Jolsey partner and from user about Bad Cactus,

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who commented on our Patreon, Oh my goodness, thank you

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for saying you love me. He he. I took my

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sweet time getting to this episode, but what a treat.

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Keep up the good work, both of you. Thank you

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so much about Bad Cactus.

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Sweet. Love it nice, We love it and we love

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hearing from you.

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We're having a nice time. I enjoy doing this podcast

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with you. I don't know if you picked up on

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those vibes much like your favorite movie Tenant, so too,

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do I pick up on those vibes?

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Ah? Yeah, my favorite movie Tenant? Mm hmm, that is

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what I said during our Patreon I said it's my

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favorite movie. I love it so much. I don't love

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anything else.

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That's right. Ah sweet sweet? And you know what else

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is sweet? Aren't you? This week?

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Awesome to you? I give you little kisses on your head. Yeah,

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they were pretty sweet, honestly.

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And do it into it? Should we go into it?

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I am.

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I am in to it, and I'm into it ing

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that you're in as well. I'm having I'm doing so well.

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What's going on? Pull?

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I'm trying to pull up and try to pull up

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the episode of information sure, but I'm trying to pretend

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like I'm not. I'm like, oh wow, I'm doing a podcast.

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While you're doing that. Why don't I go ahead and

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take care of my plot? Synopsis are Yesterday's aired March fourteenth,

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nineteen sixteen. Ie writer Jean Lestte arrest writing her second

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episode of Star Trek and director Marvin Chomsky. You know

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Noam Chomsky, Well this is his cousin, Marvin. And if

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you're no, I'm trunk sca. If you're looking for that

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hot new philosophy, then listen to this. From the NBC

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press release issued February twenty ninth or February twenty fifth,

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nineteen sixty nine, Captain Kirk, mister Spock, and doctor McCoy

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are trapped in the past by a machine, just hours

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before a planet on which the machine is located is

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to explode. In All Our Yesterday, It's an NBC Television

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Networks Star Trek Friday, March fourteenth, Ian Wolf guest stars

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as atas Librarian of the planet about to explode, and

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Marriette Hartley as Zarahbeth, Girl of the Ice Age.

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Girl Like the Ice Age.

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That's that sounds like a rad movie.

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That's yeah, it's very like Conan.

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But Sarahbeth, Girl of the Ice Age.

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Captain Kirk is transported to Old England, where he is

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accused of being a witch, not actually true. Another escapee

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from the doomed planet tells Kirk that the machine which

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brought them both there cannot transport them back alive. Spock

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and McCoy are transported to the Ice Age and be

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the girl who tells them they are doomed to finish

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their live it's there. Spock phones in love with the

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girl and tries to kill McCoy as his Vulcan mind

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and body begin to revert in an ominous manner.

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We're going to get to it. I am bewildered as

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to why Spock starts to revert, but McCoy and Girl

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of the Ice Age don't.

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Now because humans were always at cantankerous.

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I oh, I see, so we haven't really changed much

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in the years since an Ice Age.

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Look. It brings up a litany of world building questions,

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and also posits that the Vulcans feel emotions always, but

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at some point they they were unable to practice restraint

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because that is a genetic evolution. As opposed to a

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learned philosophy. Listen, I not actually, I'm also it is

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just a TV show.

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I'm not actually complaining because anything that gives me the

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Spock moment where he gets to kiss a girl of

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the ice age and laugh, I'm in.

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Finally fine, Finally a Star Trek episode that tears a

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positive question, Yeah, what a Spock was horny?

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Was horny? Was a yeah, like I feel like you

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just you know, it's just never happens.

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It's not once, never not. There is no famous episode

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of Star Trek where he has ever been horning never ever.

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This one he's he's willingly horny.

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I will say that willingly. Yeah, that's true. He is

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willingly he's willingly horny. Yeah, yeah, has he ever been

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willingly horny? Is the only time I would say no.

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Because there was the episode, like a there was the

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Cloudminders where.

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He was like, oh he is pretty willingly horny in this,

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but like this in a restrained way, in any restrained way.

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But he's like.

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He's like so into her.

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This one. He's like, I'm horny. Also, I'm up for

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some ribs. Yeah, But that's that's the key difference this week.

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That yeah, there are a few different implications. It's so funny.

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It's like, in this penultimate episode of Star Trek original series,

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I have many questions about everything suddenly, Like I just

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it occurred to me, Yeah, when they eat meat, I'm like, oh, so,

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I guess you don't eat meat? Yeah, which is not

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I don't know if that ever had that ever been

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explicitly said or noted. I mean, they're eating a lot

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of cubes, but could they be like, like, what's the

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production piece of that? Obviously stuff is replicated later, but

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you know, so anyway, that plus the like I have

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I think Spock has explicitly said it if not an

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original series, I feel like I've seen it in other

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properties of like bookens are by definition emotional and behaviorally

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have suppressed it. Yes, that's like the whole vibe. So yeah,

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I I think I texted you as I was watching

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the episode. I hadn't looked it up, and I was like,

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this episode was written by a woman. Oh yeah, And

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I was so right. Yeah, I do feel like it

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is the episodes written by women where because that are

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like what if Spock morny.

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it was in a subsequent development because originally it was

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just Splock and Ocoy getting being to the past and

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they were fighting like cave people. But it was in

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a subsequent revision where the left interest was added. And

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I mean it's it is hands down the best aspect

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of this episode for sure, outside of the woman who's going.

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So well. But you said he's accused being a witch?

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Which part of that was not true?

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Uh? Which part of Kirk being accused of being a

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witch is not true? Probably the part where Kirk is

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a witch because he is a witch?

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Was it in England? Part is that?

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Correct?

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to believe that there was a parallel development. That's that's

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what of the past. But also it is so nebulous

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right as to where exactly we are, because it is

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so analogous to as these are the Voyages season three

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by Mark Cushmiss and Osborne said the time of King Charles,

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the second around that time, But it never specifically states

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which planet we are on. So you can believe that

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that it's Earth, you can believe that it is the

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star pithon the Planet of the Week this week.

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implication is everyone everyone is either made to go back

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in time or it has been has requested to be

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back in their own time.

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So, yeah, a parallel And also like if you're making,

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like I don't know, just pulling a random example El

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a random example, that detail might kind of get lost

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and it's only on subsequent research that you kind of

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find out that it's not actually, So.

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Can you atic.

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Just a random example, like if you're microwaving three El

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that you have, Yeah, well in the kitchenette that you

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have in your apartment that you're moving on of very soon, right,

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And then you go back to watching the episode of

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Star Trek that you don't exactly have your DVDs but

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you're having to watch it on another platform and having

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to worry about syncing up subtitles, and so your mind

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is kind of being a litany of other places the

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details might get lost that you know you're not on

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Earth but you're on Star Pithon thought just a random example.

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I thought, in this random example, your random, not you.

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It's not me.

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No, someone were to be I thought you're pulling some

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like beautiful yet funny and clever metaphor.

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No, you just explained just a random example.

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You just were hungry. You're just a hungry boy.

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Idea if someone were to be hungry.

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a piece of dishware dish because the bean and cheese

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burritos are five points according to the Way Watchers app. Oh,

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so you can have three of them fifteen apps, fifteen

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points and forty one points a day.

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That's nice. Oh that's nice example.

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Oh my gosh, she's a random example.

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I you know you're dita extract. Story is wild.

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They call me the weaver because I'm so rich with

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storytelling details. Did you know that they called me the weaver? Yeah?

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Okay, let me talking about Star Wars The Clone Wars

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Holocron Heist, season two, episode one. As you mentioned that

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two were excited for the first episode of the second season.

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We're about to start Cocoo with gas my bro.

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Even more so at least thermal.

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Yeah yi yi yeah, no natural gas around here. Let's see.

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Released October second, two thousand and nine. Spooky Season of

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two thousand and nine. Cute, incredible. What was I dressing

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up for in college that year?

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I know, I actually know what costume you were dressed as.

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Oh yeah, tell me sexy gung And.

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You know, actually I think I was in San Diego, Chile.

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Yeah I was.

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Okay, let's move on. Was I No, No, I wasn't

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I was the next year, I'm gonna move on. Darth okay.

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Would it be a caliente sexy lady.

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I think it's sexy Gongen, sexy sexy go that's it, okay.

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Hair lady, sexy Gungan lady okay.

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Director Justin Ridge, written by Paul Deani Yay and then

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of course the Henry gil Roy Scot Murphy has series

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and supervising writers. Ah. You can feel the Deani energy

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all over it. In fact, I'd say Darth City as Hires,

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cad Bane, remember Bain to break into the Jedi Temple

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and Coruscant and steal an ancient holocron from the archives.

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Maybe we do lead it from the archives together with points,

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together with Gladype Cato Parisity and Techno Service. Droid Toto,

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who was voiced by Seth green Bain, makes for the

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Jedi Library, whereas Sookasana was on guard Doony after proving

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herself too reckless in action on the planet Felucia. That's

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a really good description. Actually the episode. Sometimes I'm like

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what And this time I was like, yeah, that's really good.

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That is it?

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And you know what banger.

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At first, I was like, oh no, but then I

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was like, this is a story. Yeah.

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It Actually it's an interesting one because it starts out

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I've forgotten because I was like, oh, isn't this it's

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a holocron ice like we're starting with the heist, but

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it starts out with a battle.

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So it's you know, so in and definitely starts like

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a season premiere, which is great.

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Right, It's a clever It's a clever little episode starts already.

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By the way you can tell that, I feel like

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I can tell like the animation.

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Is more fluid, Like oh my goodness, was the animation

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so much more stunning.

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Ahsoka's like fighting is like, it's still extremely stylistic, but

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it's like the way that it's flowing and moving is

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pretty extraordinary.

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Still in that tube top, I noticed the light beams

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that were coming in through the troop transport. Yeah, oh yeah,

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I'm getting diffused by the particles that are in the air.

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Oh glorious, gorgeous.

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God, it's so good.

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And your animation is such hard work. Yeah, I.

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Don't do these themes really hard.

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These people work so hard in a medium that in

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American culture is just like ah for kids, right, I

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don't have to take it seriously.

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In a medium people are like, you know, what make

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this better? If we made it all live action, photo realistic.

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We made photo realistic, and we were like, no, it's

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real and we can take it serials.

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Blaw. I fucking hate it. Yeah, wild. But also I

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did ask Heidi, my partner, oh we see that about it?

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I asked my partner, point blank, if they may Wicked

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an animated movie, would you go see it? And she

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was like, no, none at all.

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Well, I mean it's an interesting question because I I

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think Wicked, in like all most properties of Wizard of

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Oz have been live action. So maybe it's like going

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from one to the other people. I don't know if

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we feel more resistant versus like, I don't know, like

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taking this as an animated property and being like, oh, well,

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we're going to go to live action.

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I think if the first cinematic adaptation of Wicked was animated, yeah,

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it would not nearly be the Jiggernut. Well depends you're right.

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I think you are.

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It would not be the four quadrant hit, but it

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would be very much a hit. It just wouldn't be

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like I went to the movies last night to see

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Craven the Hunter, and I saw a family that was

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dressed in all green except for one little girl that

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was dressed in pink. This many weeks were recording on

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December sixteenth, This many weeks after Wicket came out dressing up.

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I have a question. Two questions. Yes, was that family

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there to see Crave in the Hunters?

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Yeah? They were.

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Second question, what if Grave and the Hunter had been animated?

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Oh? I honestly, I think that would make me more

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interested in seeing it because I'd be going interesting like

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whenever they were releasing into the Spider Verse. But also

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you attach Lord and Miller to something, and I'm automatically

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interested because more than likely it will probably be at

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minimum good. Right, But we're not here to talk about

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Phil Waurd and Chris Miller's terrible labor practices. We're here

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to talk about all Ore Yesterday's versus Holokron heighst Malagron Heist.

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First Impressions, Holochron Heist, wonderful episode.

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Wonderful. Like you said, it starts out think there is

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a touch of it like, oh, what kind of episode

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will this be? Is this another type of like battle

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type episode, which would be fine, But then it's actually

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just place setting to have a consequence of Ahsoka's actions

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to now put her in a place where there is

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action happening so that she can be part of that.

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Which it's a much smaller type of story, I mean

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big and like there are lots of characters involved, but

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it's it's very cool because it gets to you have

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to really explore like Jacosta news space and like the

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library and archives and that like kind of be more

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in the like the goings on, and then yeah, you

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get Seth Green doing his best Anthony Daniel's impression.

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There also seems to be a sophistication to this episode,

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it feels different than all of season one immediately, not

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just in terms of animation, but I feel like this

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episode has some breathing room. Yeah, where season one was

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much more action packed. Sure except for like brief brief

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bliss and things that the pacing felt more deliberate. Yeah,

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it just felt different, like.

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It trusted makes trusted itself a little more like it was.

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I think so you're right, like it didn't rush. Maybe

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a first sceneon episode would have been a little too frenetic,

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Maybe it would have stuck with like the battle side

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of it, or would have just like immediately plopped men there.

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Maybe like mm hmm, yeah, I think that that's that

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rings true to me. Yeah, yeah, I it's very It's

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it's also like it's funny because you just had cad

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Bane in the last the last episode of the the

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first season. Chronologically, this is you know how like these

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episodes technically chronologically or different. I don't think it matters.

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I think the way that it is presented as a

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way it's presented from a story like from a like

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a sort of like shape of show perspective. But it

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is really interesting to have like ended on him start

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with him, so you have this type of character who's

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really interesting and see him from like a different perspective

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as well. There's a lot of bounty hunters boundy hunter

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action in this season.

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So yeah, why do you bring up the chronology? Oh,

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I was just I was this episode technically happened before

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the previous episode? Yes, I think I think, so look

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it up.

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Yeah, I think it was just something when I was

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like reviewing, I noticed it, like you know, and like

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Wikipedia will list it. Let's see episode is chronologically preceded

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by Liberty on Ryloth, So I don't actually know where

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the Senate one is actually like what it would if

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that would actually even then be before or after whatever,

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it would.

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Be so interesting because of thematic progression is that the

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Senate was just invaded. Now the Jedi Temple is being invated,

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which feels like a natural escalation.

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Yes, yeah, and to me, but I think that's why

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in my mind, it doesn't really matter to me chronologically

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where something is right. If thematically it's being there's a

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reason why it's thematically being put here. Uh you know that. Yeah,

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while it's happening, maybe at a different point you can

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see like yes, yes, like in a and the building

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of tension, of things starting to break apart.

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Also, like the way that this episode starts very deliberately

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feels like Folonian Company being like, here we go, here

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we are, We're back. Season two, bigger, better, more action,

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deeper stakes, more complex people lose Ahsoka doing yet another

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thing where she is following Anakin's advice, Anakin's teaching and

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learning another consequence from it. Yep, great feels like a

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thematic statement. Even though I don't know what's going to

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be happening this season feels like it just feels like

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a thematic statement. I don't know if I also did

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write down I wish I didn't know what happened to

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Ahsoka in the end, Oh sure, because it felt very

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It felt like another piece of stuff dropping. But I

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don't know if that was intentional. I'm pretty sure Filoni

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was kind of making up the arc of what Ahsoka

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was doing as he went along, as opposed to having

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a grand design, because spoiler alert, that's usually how writing works, right,

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just kind of make it up as you go along,

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and if you're a good writer, you were able to

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extrapolate the details that are already there into like a

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coherent thesis.

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I guess I, as someone who has watched all of

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this and knows what happens, I took this as just

471
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.160
like a character development moment for her, because that, I

472
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.200
think is what's really great about it the episode is

473
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.319
that it does like a whole bunch of stuff at once,

474
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:44.519
which is it has, through through character development, leads us

475
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.440
logically to a next step. You know, if this then

476
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.240
what kind of moment and so just kind of isolated

477
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.359
on its own of the like where is Ahsoka at

478
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:59.240
in her process of becoming the person she's going to become?

479
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:06.440
This is an important moment, like like she made a mistake.

480
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.839
She also made a mistake based off of like you know,

481
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.200
like I just I learned it from watching you, and

482
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.039
like is given a punishment. It's not a particularly horrifying one,

483
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:23.160
but still, honestly, she's still like fourteen, right, fourteen fifteen?

484
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.559
And oh there's even a comment that Anakin makes where

485
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.000
he's just like, I forget sometimes you are so young,

486
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.920
and also he's the old baby too, so well, whatever.

487
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.039
It's like when I was sixteen working at a science

488
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.160
day camp and I was like with twelve and thirteen

489
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.680
year olds and I was like, did you know that

490
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.240
I'm an adult, like for like four years, three years apart.

491
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.839
It's like that they're also fucking child soldiers, right, And

492
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.200
I think there is something to that of like you

493
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:53.759
are still very young and like you never got to

494
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.279
be a kid, you're still not getting to be a kid,

495
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:03.440
and like you're so extraordinary and yet sometimes like I forget,

496
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.920
you know, and I think that's really valuable.

497
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.079
So yeah, this feels like a repivot for for the

498
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.480
well not exactly a repivot. We're just what they used

499
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.000
to do, uh in television, which is just get us

500
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:25.599
used again to the situation quo is, here's what the

501
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.960
status quo is, just in case and for new viewers,

502
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.720
here are the characters that we're going to be following.

503
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.039
And then a sophistication and just in terms of the

504
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:38.359
patients that I feel like the storytelling gets afforded. The

505
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:45.200
characters feel smarter, I don't know, not exactly smarter, but

506
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.559
just because I mean we're coming up from the basement

507
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.480
in terms of where the prequels were, and the Clone

508
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.920
Wars is definitely repiloting some of the characters.

509
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:58.200
Like who.

510
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.960
Makes and do oh yeah, Mace wind Do.

511
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.920
I do think that Mace Window in that last season

512
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.319
and then in this as well. He just I think

513
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.400
we've talked about this that, like he just you know

514
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.400
when people talk about they're like Master Window, it's like

515
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.200
even more powerful than Master wind do. And you kind

516
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.880
of like watch the Prequels and you're like, is he powerful?

517
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.920
And then you watch Clone Wars and you're like that bro.

518
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.279
Is Yeah, because the Prequeurs is a lot of telling

519
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.319
and very little showing. Yeah, as was the Clone Wars,

520
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:35.640
which is better hands down. Yeah, even I as someone

521
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.160
that is really happy to learn how to watch Clone Wars,

522
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.960
I can I argue that even the Clone Wars movie

523
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.680
light years better than the kinds of storytelling is that

524
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:53.359
the Prequels were doing good ideas on paper, execution extremely lacking, but.

525
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.279
Well yeah, well that's just because of I don't know, stinky.

526
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.000
The hut you mean Jeremy Allen White.

527
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:04.920
I do mean Jeremy Allen White.

528
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:13.359
Everywhere, slicking that hairback, playing stinky, slicking that hairback, sexy

529
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.000
little hut, that weird thing. What a weird thing. Anyways,

530
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.279
So yeah, this week's episode of Star Wars pretty darn good.

531
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:27.240
First canon, first canon mentioned the Holo chron Yeah, it is.

532
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.119
And it's fun to know that there's just like a

533
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.799
little room where they're all just like nestled in there

534
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.079
and they could just pop up. That's all.

535
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.200
That's it. That's it. There you go.

536
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.400
Why am I struggling for depth of the topic.

537
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:51.880
There's not much thematically to go Oh okay, And it's

538
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.759
not exactly a classic highst episode because a heist has

539
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.359
a very specific formula where the heist, you plan out

540
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.880
the heist, you lay out the rules, and the rules

541
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.440
usually go wrong, right, because we're also not rooting for

542
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.000
the people that are heisting. We are rooting for our

543
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.079
heroes to stop the heist. It goes on as Ocean's eleven,

544
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:13.599
great movie.

545
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:15.920
Actually, I think a lot of the times we're rooting

546
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.279
for the histers. Oh, in this case, we're in.

547
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.000
This episode where no I Got you, I Got you

548
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.559
ic icy, But very often we are rooting for the histers.

549
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.240
Ocean's eleven, Oceans twelve, oce Is thirteen, shoot, even Oceans eight.

550
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.640
Oh, definitely Ocean's eight a fantastic film.

551
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.079
You're right, I really enjoyed that.

552
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:32.839
Thank you.

553
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.839
It's one of the top five film going experiences in

554
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.079
my life, honest to God, really just fun for you. Yes,

555
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.119
Because I was in Upstate New York. I had just

556
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.680
gone to the Star Trek Original Series set tour that

557
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:48.720
took about an hour, but I was still in Upstate

558
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.480
New York. I was staying the night. I was like,

559
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.519
what is other to do? I know what I love

560
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.680
to do. Go watch a movie. Went to a tourist

561
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.480
town that had a one screen theater. It's the only

562
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.039
movie theater. Within thirty minute and you could feel the

563
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.000
energy because people were just excited to watch a movie

564
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.119
and the energy was palpable, and that screening of Oceans

565
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.239
eight was awesome. And then afterwards I talked with the

566
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.559
theater owner for like thirty minutes or so and they're like, yeah,

567
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.199
the theater just closes in the winter because it's too cold.

568
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.159
And it just just amazing. It was one hundred year

569
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:24.679
old theater.

570
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.800
It feels like an art not having so many options

571
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.360
available to all the time, Like what does it mean

572
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:33.559
to have like limited?

573
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:42.199
It's complex, right, because with the greater democracy of these things,

574
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:47.199
you get more voices, but also that means you have

575
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:53.079
to scream even louder, and then what inevitably happens whenever

576
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.920
things get curated. Is that those voices are usually the

577
00:34:56.039 --> 00:35:00.119
first to get eliminated because exactly racism and sexism and

578
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:01.519
misogyny in all of those things.

579
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:09.599
Ooh, say it to me more sexily? Is that your sexy.

580
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:14.400
Oh boy.

581
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:20.840
Sounds like a horny spot to me?

582
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.239
Speaking of horny spot, that's probably a good transition point

583
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:26.599
to our yesterdays.

584
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.639
Oh god, I'm so good at these segues.

585
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.079
You are great at these segues speaking of standing on

586
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.400
your own two feet and rolling along? How do you

587
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:35.960
think that this episode rolled along?

588
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.480
I also really liked it. I believe I texted you

589
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.079
that's I should be a little I should be honest.

590
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:48.639
I should have been honest with everybody to start with,

591
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.760
I'm a little sleepy. I stayed up trying to finish

592
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.920
this work assessment thing and to try to get a job,

593
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:00.119
and I wanted to be really good and I a

594
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:01.960
lot of the time, too much time, and honestly be

595
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.719
sleepy boy. Great job, So thank you. Yeah, because of Nindia,

596
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.519
I can't even like you just have to take my

597
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.840
word for it. I can't. I'll let everybody know if

598
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:12.599
I got a new job.

599
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.039
If you see Aspina's name pop up, on Disney Plus.

600
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.159
Don't be surprised this is where you heard it first.

601
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.719
Imagine. No, it'll probably just be one of those stupid

602
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.480
things on LinkedIn where it's like, I congratulate it has

603
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.280
been on their new work, and I'll be like, don't

604
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.440
congratulate me on my new capitalistic adventures.

605
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:36.400
Speaking congratulating well loved characters for new achievements, so to

606
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.840
to spot include achieve a new achievement this week, I

607
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.760
think a different part of their emotional abilities.

608
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.960
Yeah, it's true. No, I texted you. I said, I

609
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.280
wish I wish this were the finale of the series.

610
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.920
Like I do feel like there is something very emotionally

611
00:36:56.039 --> 00:37:00.559
satisfying about the episode, like a great exploration of character,

612
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.719
like putting everybody into individual situations that are very like

613
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.320
the steaks are really high, and they get to explore

614
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.639
different pieces of themselves. I like the separation of Kirk

615
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.159
from Spock and McCoy, so Spock and McCoy.

616
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.639
Have to be the ones together, a very rare pairing

617
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.079
of just Spock in McCoy. And I specifically wrote this

618
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.400
down because McCoy never really gets his own episode. The

619
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.639
closest that we get is for the world is hollow

620
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.440
and I have touched the sky. Yes, where McCoy is dying. Yes,

621
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.159
he falls in love. He's like, I think I'm gonna

622
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.760
stay stay here, ends up not staying there. But that

623
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.559
in terms of a McCoy focused episode, that's it. Yeah,

624
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.920
I don't know what it was, but the forest Kelly

625
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.159
was just singing for me. Because Spock is a much

626
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.800
showier role. Yes, Kirk is obviously, he's the lead of

627
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.800
the darn thing. William Shatner Crease the archetype of what

628
00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:01.119
a captain is. Yeah, in the popular consciousness.

629
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.320
A period, a real swanky dude.

630
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:09.599
Real swanky dude. And then McCoy is doing a lot

631
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:18.440
of work over here being like ah, which it's always satisfying.

632
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:19.159
It is.

633
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:25.079
I love watching mccoyby Kin tankeris, which is very often uh.

634
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.679
And also he cares passionately about things. He cares passionately

635
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.760
about his friends, even though he is very racist against Spock,

636
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.840
but he loves Spock dearly.

637
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.119
He does love Spock. He loves Spuck and he respects

638
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.159
him greatly.

639
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.639
And he's extremely concerned about Spock this week.

640
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.679
Yeah, and Spock is extremely concerned about him because they

641
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.119
go into this ice age, and because he's human versus

642
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:56.360
bocks Wulcan, he starts going into hypothermia and almost dies.

643
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.519
And you can tell how worried Spock is. His woken

644
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.880
way about him just a very strong like.

645
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.599
I'm glad.

646
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.320
I actually did really like the ice Girl character. I

647
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:14.039
really liked her. I don't know. Sometimes again, sometimes.

648
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.840
The Zarabeth Girl of the Ice Age.

649
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.960
Yeah, Zarabeth Girl of the Ice Age. Like sometimes you

650
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.960
know we say this, it happens a lot, like the

651
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.920
guest stars can sometimes make something. And I do feel

652
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.159
like she just had this sense about her. It was

653
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.920
deeply calming. Yes, I thought it was just like a

654
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.559
It's like one of those lovely little performances. So I

655
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.360
don't hate that she's there. I would have loved even

656
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.559
more Spock McCoy though. I mean, you know, I could

657
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.679
have sat with Spocking McCoy longer than I sat with

658
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.239
like Kirk trying to argue that he wasn't a witch.

659
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.920
But like you said, I could watch that lady who

660
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.880
was like you you're a witch. I can watch her

661
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:50.800
for an hour.

662
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.519
You're talking about Mary Att Hartley, who was who appeared

663
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.320
on the Rock with files appeared James Garner in a

664
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:07.119
series of Polaroid TV commercials. According to these, the Voyage

665
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.480
of Season three by Mark Cushners is osborne. She did

666
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.360
like three hundreds of those commercials and then one an

667
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.039
Emmy for the crank two part episode of The Incredible Hulk.

668
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.559
Great see that's a hero.

669
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.360
Also, and then was also cast in subsequent Gene Roddenberry

670
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:25.599
pilot Genesis Too.

671
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.159
Yeah, you can like you know again and you can

672
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.280
know a good a good performance right truly, And there's

673
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.880
a lot of emotion, a lot of like that sort

674
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:41.119
of like held back but still like over if that mean,

675
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.639
like that makes any sense, Like I that's that kind

676
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:49.199
of restrained like adoration and m hm. So yeah, I'm

677
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.400
very I'm with you. I'm very pro McCoy. I love

678
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.599
I love Bones with every bit of me. And his

679
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.599
contankerous nature, the fact that when he has those moments

680
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:03.719
of breaking, it's like he's deeply emotional or worried or quiet,

681
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.519
like they sing that much more because of it, you know,

682
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.199
like he's just a deeply authentic character. Yes, so yeah,

683
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.079
So I think any time that there's the opportunity for that,

684
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.199
it feels so satisfying and I would take that all

685
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.119
the time, like all the time, you know.

686
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:33.079
So agreed. And then I mean the relationship between Spock

687
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:39.039
and Zerabeth and Spock's eventual turning from the logical character

688
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.280
that he is into someone that is a little bit

689
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.880
less inhibited. And then the note that the episode ends

690
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:54.400
on because it comes upon originally there was going to

691
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.960
be Originally the episode was going to end with Zara

692
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.760
best staying in the past because if she came back,

693
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.920
she would get old fast, and she didn't want to

694
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:09.400
get old, okay, And so luckily Fred Kreiberger at the

695
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.400
very last minute was like indented there, They're molecules are

696
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:18.079
a thing, right, which is also a wild conceit, but

697
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.800
also I'm like, cool, great, that's the wonderful that's that's wonderful.

698
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.280
And also that's the conceit of why this paga is

699
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.320
getting his emotions back, because molecules are getting used to

700
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.159
the past or something like that, and that's our ticking clock.

701
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:35.159
It's science fiction, gobllygook in order to explore this thing.

702
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.280
Great, I mean, it gets a little muddy because it's

703
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.760
like they weren't dared and yeah, yeah, yes, because we

704
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:46.800
got mister we got mister Ataz, Yes Ataz.

705
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.440
Who is yes, the librarian, the librarian.

706
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.039
Actually, as we're talking about it, I don't usually get

707
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.039
so caught up on a world building, but the world

708
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:01.000
building of this episode is absolutely muddy, inflamaxing.

709
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.840
It's really sweaty. It's really really sweaty, and all of

710
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.840
all of the world. I mean, I don't strive in

711
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.280
this episode nearly as much as you do, because about

712
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.000
half of the episode, maybe like five eighths of the

713
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.239
episode is pretty sweaty in terms of set up and

714
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.159
in terms of the Kirk stuff, which the Kirk stuff

715
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:33.280
is fine, but that's what it is. And then we've

716
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.280
got this three eighths of stuff over here where Spock

717
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.840
is falling in love and losing his losing losing his

718
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.719
ability to hold on to his emotional control. And I'm like, ah,

719
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.320
that's the juice. That's that's not exactly what the episode

720
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.559
is about, or else it would be a little bit

721
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:55.440
more well constructed. Let me try here, we go, let

722
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:56.559
me try here.

723
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:03.199
They land on this planet because they're like, it's star

724
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:04.480
is going to super nova.

725
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:12.599
Yeah, already already a bit sweaty already. They they're cutting

726
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.360
it a bit close by landing on a planet and

727
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.280
the star is about to go nova.

728
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.440
Right, pretty sweaty, it's pretty sweaty. But they get there

729
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.679
and no, like there is no They end up in

730
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.280
this library with this guy, but there's like two replications

731
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.239
of him, some replicants, but here's a real guy. It's

732
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.519
so creepy it makes for some creepy twilights any kind

733
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:37.480
of things. People aren't there, and they just start and

734
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.280
he they they're presumably they've already left, and they're like, oh, okay,

735
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:46.559
so we'll just look around at the stuff in the library. Okay,

736
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:49.199
even though everything.

737
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:55.239
Gets to nova, like again, the sun is the sun famously,

738
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.840
a very powerful thing is about to blow.

739
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.079
Up about and they're just like looking at the micro fish,

740
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:08.079
you know, like doing their thing. And then while Kirk

741
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.840
is looking at their equivalent of the like medieval England

742
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.840
or whatever, he pops in and he pops into that space.

743
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.119
Okay, he hears he hears a lady.

744
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.559
Oh, here's a lady screaming, and that's why he runs

745
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.280
into help because that's his vibe. So he runs through

746
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:27.760
the doorway ends up in this space.

747
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.280
So that's that's Kirk's vibe. He here's a woman screaming,

748
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:34.119
he goes, he goes an opportunity.

749
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.679
Yes, so let's just talk about his for a second here.

750
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.800
So he's back there and again he's hearing their voices

751
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:44.280
they're trying to get to so he's accused of being

752
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:44.599
a witch.

753
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.400
And also just to paint the picture for folks that

754
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.360
are playing at home edition, this is well into the

755
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.880
first act, so we've had to tease right. The act

756
00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:00.960
was so you're a librarian, but there we go play

757
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.760
the credits, and then Act one is basically explaining what

758
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.400
the information center is, which is a library, which fun, fun,

759
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.480
fun piece of knowledge Jean Lea's arrest. The writer of

760
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:18.880
this episode was a librarian at UCLA. Her first episode

761
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.480
was the wonderful is There in Truth No Beauty? Remember

762
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.920
the episode with the meducin I love that episode, A

763
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:30.480
dynamite episode. In this episode, she was pitching something else

764
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.920
could tell that it wasn't going to go to script,

765
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.519
and then she was like, what if there was an

766
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.039
episode at a library and they were like, great, let's

767
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:43.360
do it. Let's do it, which I love.

768
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:44.880
We love information services.

769
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.239
I'm for I am I too. I'm also writing a

770
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:51.960
screenplay about attractive podcaster that looks at a phone a

771
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:52.920
lot of the line.

772
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.320
Yeah, man, just write what you know, you know, medieval

773
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.519
England libraries. He's there. I'm gonna skip over this stuff.

774
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.840
He ends up in jail. And the thing about it

775
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.639
is that there's a magistrate there, and it turns out

776
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:15.119
that the magistrate is also from that like present time. Right, Okay,

777
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:16.119
So that's the thing.

778
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:18.840
You just put a pin in that putting a pin

779
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.679
and then there's a magistrate and then I'll write it

780
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:23.920
down on the footnotes and the magistrate.

781
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.159
The like Spock McCoy thing is that they end up

782
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:28.840
because they were looking at Ice. They end up in

783
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.239
the Ice age and they were into this.

784
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.880
Girl well because they hurt. They saw that that Kirk

785
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:38.519
went through. What's going on? Uh, they saw that Kirk

786
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.920
went through naturally their boyfriend goes through this thing. They

787
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.800
be like, no, well he's a boyfriend. We have no

788
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.079
one else kids, our boyfriend, and they very territorially go

789
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.440
chase for their boyfriend because they don't want to share,

790
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:55.559
even though it is a polycule. So they very much

791
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:56.840
are territorial.

792
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.880
But Disapfortunately the ment they they have been looking at ice,

793
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:04.760
so Ice, that's how it works. You look at what

794
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.199
you look at, you holding your brain, you go through it.

795
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:07.400
Right.

796
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.079
So they end up that's where they meet ice age girl. Right,

797
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.079
this is where they meet her. She says to them,

798
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:18.920
Sarah about the girl the ice age, that she was

799
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.639
sent there as punishment to be alone.

800
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:26.800
So this is this is I camera because she seems

801
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.719
pretty nice. Yeah.

802
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.320
I think it was like a rebellion thing.

803
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.559
I don't know. Don't worry, don't worry about it. But

804
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.280
the point here the grabs you by the shoulders and goes.

805
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.920
Don't don't worry about it, okay, because this is what

806
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.280
I'm trying to get to, which is she's this tool

807
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.920
has been used to send her to a prison, effectively

808
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.079
solitary confinement in the middle of the ice right, So

809
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.480
that's how that's happened. The magistrate is in this other time,

810
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.679
did the same thing happen for him? Presumably everybody else

811
00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.360
has left.

812
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.840
Well, the magistrate went back in time because the magistrate

813
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.519
wanted to live in pure hedonism, I assume so he

814
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.719
because he's talking like this that he wants PA And

815
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:12.880
so he's a magistrate and he's got that long hair,

816
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:14.360
and he's got a hat and he seems like he's

817
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.400
living his best life, but.

818
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.800
He's also like, yeah, I guess. The other thing is like,

819
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.480
is this the actual the actual past? Like is it

820
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:24.480
the actual past?

821
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.639
So I guess because then it begs a question because

822
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.840
it's kind of established that these are like books. Yeah,

823
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:38.639
but also it is time travel, okay, ultimately, ultimately, okay, ultimately,

824
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.920
rules like this aren't very important as a meat that

825
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.639
you're chewing on, Yes, is good, is quite rich.

826
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.000
I'm usually like that, but right now I feel preoccupied

827
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.119
because I don't think it is.

828
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.880
It's pretty sweaty because not enough real estate I feel

829
00:49:56.039 --> 00:50:01.199
is dedicated to spot. Yeah, exploring this. Yes, there is

830
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:03.800
a lot of setup for a very juicy thing that

831
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:09.920
ultimately gets happening very late in the episode. You could

832
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.880
have built a stronger episode if you had gotten rid

833
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.920
of the rest of the gobbledygook and instead you could

834
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.360
have just stranded our characters on an ice planet that

835
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.000
has some gobbledygook in the atmosphere that interferes with vulcans

836
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:25.400
and stuff.

837
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:27.519
Mm hmm, yeah, I mean make it about what it's

838
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:31.320
actually about, Like Kirk's storyline is boring in this, Like

839
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.280
I don't care that he's there and then gets put

840
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:35.800
in this prison without a lot of steaks.

841
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:41.320
There could be something, especially post McCarthyism, that could be

842
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:46.039
rich explained. It could explored in which in which trials,

843
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.800
and it's just a different perspective.

844
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.760
But yeah, that's not what they did.

845
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:59.679
So a comedic b plot. Yeah, and they don't it. Also,

846
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.440
this is kind of like diet City on the Edge

847
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.280
of Forever. Yeah, that's true, which is just to go

848
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:10.159
with a metaphor again, Uh, this is your parents telling

849
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.079
you that we have city at the edge of forever

850
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:18.280
and it's and you're like, it's the same hot city

851
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.079
on the edge of forever flavor. Yeah, this has been

852
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.800
through the process or too many times.

853
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.199
Oh my god, I remember sitting on the edge of Forever.

854
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.559
What episode that was brave enough to ask the question,

855
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.599
what if there's a city on the edge.

856
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.000
Forever more brave or less brave than what if there

857
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:46.199
was a planet that was one big city? I'm sorry,

858
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:54.199
slow down, the whole planet is one big gues city. Wait, okay, Kenny,

859
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.320
let me go. Okay, so can you just I know this,

860
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.280
It shouldn't matter because it's sweaty, I know it isn't

861
00:51:59.280 --> 00:51:59.679
the point.

862
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:06.960
It's very sweating. We answered, we very rarely do this mechanic.

863
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.360
It's the planet was one b It just you.

864
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.280
Know, can you answer the question for me? Of everybody

865
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.679
who's on this planet, it's about to supernova, So they've

866
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.760
all escaped from the planet by going back or forward

867
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.039
in time, that's.

868
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:26.320
Right, right, So that presumably they're going to have a

869
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:26.800
bad time.

870
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.599
Imagine they're like looking through pictures and they're like, oh,

871
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:30.400
an explosion.

872
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.880
What I'm feeling from these future vibes is a lot

873
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:39.239
of vacuum. Right, This quite literally sucks.

874
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:44.000
Yeah. So I mean like, m you're funny.

875
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.719
Yeah, I mean like it's a vacuum drop. It's like

876
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:49.679
my vacuum drop.

877
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:57.599
You Hoover did up. Okay, So presumably everybody wins the library.

878
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.360
They what is the library? Here we go and they

879
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.239
opened a book and they said there, that's why I

880
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:05.079
went to their microfie.

881
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.079
He said, that's where I want really want to live

882
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:07.800
in Moby Dick.

883
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.119
Right, But like they're equivalent, like they all did that.

884
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.119
They all did that, all of them.

885
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.159
Wow, you know, I don't think the episode did a

886
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.360
good enough job despite all the time.

887
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.760
It's spent on the like this is the thing and

888
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.840
there is a twilight Zonian conceit. One of the most

889
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.760
famous episodes of Highlight Zones about a man who is

890
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:36.360
obsessed with books and a library and these people, literally

891
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.280
mister aid has is like not too much on recent history.

892
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.760
They were kind of more focused on the past. There

893
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:49.039
is there are themes to be explored about being lost

894
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.960
within past history and not looking around at what at

895
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:58.599
present is. Yeah, becoming lost within these other things without

896
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.920
looking around at what is going on. But it's just

897
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:02.920
too thematically muddled.

898
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.239
It's too much like there is never a clarification. There

899
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.480
was never for me a clarification. And I was not

900
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:15.639
heating Monterey Jack burritos with cheese for three at a

901
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:16.760
time on my fiesta.

902
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.880
I was not doing El Monterey Elma bean and cheese burritos.

903
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.079
Microwave does put them in the microwave for three and

904
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.000
a half four minutes. You got it, You got a

905
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:30.679
good four minutes. You might be a little bit too

906
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.719
hot three and a half minutes, Uh that be might

907
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:40.119
might actually be just the ripe temperature, but it's yeah,

908
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:43.039
you might still get a little bit cold. But again,

909
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:44.559
just a random example.

910
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.079
Random example, I was not doing that. I was, I

911
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.840
was paying attention, right, And I feel like it's still

912
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.079
because it was, like I just it never to me.

913
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.960
It like didn't until a halfway through, like truly strike

914
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.800
me that it was like actually going into the past

915
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.559
as opposed to like going into a simulation of a past,

916
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.719
you know what I mean. So I it was just

917
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.880
weirdly like I was like, maybe that also like mess.

918
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:15.840
Because the episode didn't start until pretty darn late. And

919
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:20.039
also by this point they knew that they were canceled

920
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.800
start Trivenue, that it was canceled, so they're like, let's

921
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.719
just kind of get this. Could it have been better? Sure,

922
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:32.519
but I think they were more focused on like everyone

923
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:36.880
was pretty sad, although they do indicate that because this

924
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.639
episode felt Spock focused, the mood on set was a

925
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:47.719
little bit more positive. Oh yeah, because it's just different spot. Yeah,

926
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.679
because Leonard Mooy play Spock a very specific way and

927
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.519
because he was doing something different. If the mood on

928
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:58.239
set just felt different. But also like the tenor of

929
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:03.000
things is, yeah, they're probably not too terribly worried about

930
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:07.880
thematic cohesion at this point. Yeah that's fair, But also

931
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.639
like we've had some recent episodes that were kind of

932
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.960
great Cloud Minders Way to Eaten, although Way to Eat

933
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.079
in famously not a great episode.

934
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:20.840
I mean, I think I liked this more than a

935
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.519
lot we've gotten lately, for which is why I think

936
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.159
I'm going to give it more props.

937
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.280
But now that we're talking in the general season three

938
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:34.559
nests All Yesterday is slightly above average compared to like

939
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.239
the big swath of episodes where we were just like

940
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:43.440
what a slog as opposed to like again, Cloudminders, Hot App,

941
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:47.400
Way to Eten, hot at Raccom from its fun app,

942
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:52.239
Lights of his at a interesting app. Yeah, Sash Curtain

943
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.360
sleepy through that one.

944
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.719
So going back to Star Wars, which I won't see

945
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.599
the Cone the Clone Wars, I won't detail every plot

946
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:07.119
point of that, but I think it is an interesting

947
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.280
sort of like going back to it, another kind of

948
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:12.840
very focused story.

949
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.920
Yeah, two commonalities. Two episodes with librarians.

950
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.559
You're right, there are two libraries and.

951
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.480
Show me where I'm wrong, counselor oh, I will let

952
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:26.079
it pass.

953
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:29.239
You are Freda.

954
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.280
None of the librarians that get into fights.

955
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.760
That's true. Okay, actually we're not talking about Jacosta Nu.

956
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.440
Also geriatric librarians.

957
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:41.840
Here was do you remember that You remember that part

958
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.599
where he tries to in the Star Trek episode he

959
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.199
tries to send him back through, tries to send Kirk

960
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.239
back through by like knocking him out and then putting

961
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.960
him on like one of those like library like roller

962
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:54.639
carts and then tries.

963
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:55.159
To roll in.

964
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:02.440
It was fantastic to say it, but yeah, but Jickosta,

965
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:08.679
who are our baddest bitch who clearly clearly was with Dooku,

966
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:11.760
clearly had some things going on. We love a We

967
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.800
love a bitch who was like trust her archives so

968
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.760
much that she's just like if it's not there, it's

969
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:16.239
not there.

970
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:16.960
You know.

971
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:18.400
That's our Jacosta New.

972
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:21.480
Yeah she is.

973
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.519
They're both old and yeah, so which which librariyan is better?

974
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:25.719
Go?

975
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.519
Jista, thank you you were right. If you hadn't been,

976
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:31.880
we would have fought.

977
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:37.599
Oh, mister a Taz has a better name. No, yeah, no,

978
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:42.239
his name is mister a to z mm hmmm.

979
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.760
Her name is missus Jacosta.

980
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:51.360
At oz Aspen. It's clever. I didn't notice that, so

981
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.360
I do acknowledge immediately.

982
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.039
Okay, well, did you also notice that Chickosta is a

983
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:03.719
cool name and new is also a cool name. And

984
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:08.960
when we put them together and she's al and Jedi.

985
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:13.880
I like the idea that much like the regular like

986
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:15.440
the Air Force. It's like you might be in the

987
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.920
Air Force in the military, but you're like you have

988
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.840
a specific job, like you're like a mechanic or you're

989
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.760
like you know a code or something. And like, I

990
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:25.280
like the idea that she's a Jedi and she's like,

991
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.559
but I'm a librarian. And the librarian part comes first.

992
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:33.320
Number one, it's pronounced librarian number. So the shape shifter. Yeah,

993
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.039
we're talking about sweating mechanics with the Star Trek episode

994
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.920
sweaty mechanic. Yeah. Here in the Star Wars episode, we

995
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.760
got a shape shifter. We did a shape that shift.

996
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:44.320
They ship shaped. That's what they do.

997
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:46.440
Ship that's what they shape up. You shape up and

998
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:46.960
you ship out.

999
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.239
Uh. And so we got Cato Parasiti yep here shape

1000
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:55.239
shifting and digit Costa. Now, now sure we see that

1001
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:01.320
our residents ship shaper is able to materialize clothes as well.

1002
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:05.880
Now do we do not see a scene where Kato

1003
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:11.000
paras City grabs a lightsaber from Joe cost Oh. I

1004
01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:15.880
like the implications, but Kato Parasity is able to like

1005
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.159
pulls out a lightsaber and gets into a lightsaber fight

1006
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:21.800
with Asokatano famous tub TopWare. But then at some point

1007
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.840
like obviously you've already gone with me, she synthesized a

1008
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:32.039
lightsaber out of nowhere. But then Ahsokatano disarms her. Yep,

1009
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:36.320
the lightsaber goes across across the way. Yeah, and then

1010
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:40.320
our shape shifter returns to their original shape. What happens

1011
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.400
to that portion of Kato Para City? Is that just

1012
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.840
a separate piece of matter? Are what are the implications?

1013
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:49.159
Is that a real lightsaber? Is that just something that

1014
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.840
resists a lightsaber? What are the rules of resisting a lightsaber?

1015
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.559
Is she able to synthesize your own magnetism? What does

1016
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:56.039
this mean?

1017
01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:58.840
Kenny? I think I'm gonna have to let you down

1018
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.320
by not going along with your bit. I think she

1019
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.280
probably just swiped your cost the news lightsaber.

1020
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.199
Or it's just TV.

1021
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:10.880
You just got a little fan in your head?

1022
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:12.960
Yeah, I got I got a little fan.

1023
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.440
Yeah can you do that? Can you dramatically pop it

1024
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:15.800
for me?

1025
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:26.320
No? That's there, it is there, it is Yeah, I can't. Oh,

1026
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:28.960
this is not this is not good podcasting.

1027
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.320
No, No, I think it's great, bus.

1028
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:34.559
I can't.

1029
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:36.599
I need to get with it. I think you need to.

1030
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:50.079
You almost had it, buddy, Okay, Larry Crowley and Mo,

1031
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:50.760
let's go.

1032
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:55.360
Yeah, I.

1033
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.559
I your your your Your questions are more interesting than

1034
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:00.159
my answer.

1035
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:03.639
Mistertain As opposed to the Star Trek, where the sweatie

1036
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.559
mechanocks are a little bit more evident, As opposed to

1037
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.719
this one, where the episode was like, I don't worry

1038
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.320
about it because I think, just go with it, the

1039
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.960
more the more interesting implications that the Jedi tap and

1040
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.199
Temple is pregnable to assault.

1041
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:19.559
Apparently like actually fairly easily, Like you know, this is

1042
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:21.880
not this is our second shape shifter right like the

1043
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:24.719
other one was in attack of the Clones, and so

1044
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.440
presumably there are other shape shifters that are using it

1045
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:31.280
for ill and so if they can just get right in,

1046
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.159
like I guess okay, I will say, okay, I'm going

1047
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.159
to give it some credit, some like sort of plot

1048
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.920
or like like world building credit. Okay, Cadbaane kills a Jedi,

1049
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.199
which is like not an easy thing to do.

1050
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.159
But this goes to this notion as opposed to like

1051
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.320
I think in popular culture versus what Fulony is working

1052
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.559
very hard to do Flony, as we've heard in the

1053
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.920
Feloni Zonies, how many times Flony is making active efforts

1054
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:03.519
to show that the Jedi are not superheroes but right

1055
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:08.079
in the collective consciousness. And as we saw in the

1056
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:13.199
two D Clone Wars, the Jedi are superheroes, right, it's

1057
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:18.159
in this one the Jedi are just dudes.

1058
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:20.119
They are kind of band dudes.

1059
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:20.400
I mean.

1060
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.320
But like, the plan is clever because I think the

1061
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:26.199
implication is that the shape shifter the shape of Shipper,

1062
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.679
but she has to maybe touch the body to be

1063
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.440
able to yes, So it said she had to get

1064
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.360
to a Jedi first to be able to even turn

1065
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.400
into a Jedi, to be able to get into the

1066
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:42.159
space at all. So I think there are a couple

1067
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.800
of barriers, and it's a testament to Liked being being

1068
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.840
very scary and very talented as a bounty hunter that

1069
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.559
actually does get them to that point that they might

1070
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:52.800
not have expected because their X men. Also, you can

1071
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.800
also presume that the Jedi are like, well, no one

1072
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.880
could ever get us, right, We're Jedi, right, So it's

1073
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.199
doing what you're saying. I think A question that also

1074
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.719
pops up is the fact that apparently you can access

1075
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.199
the internal security systems in blueprints from the computers in

1076
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:12.599
the library. Now that is a security risk. I don't

1077
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.280
care that it's a closed system. Apparently anybody can just

1078
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.559
walk in if they're shape shifter. It's like imagine your

1079
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.719
local library and you can be able to hop on

1080
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:23.119
to that computer and then like get all the personal

1081
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:27.320
files of everybody, so it's just popped in. It is.

1082
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:34.480
It's that gets into who are the Jedi and what

1083
01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:37.800
are the Jedi representing? Because the Jedi are more representative

1084
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.039
of religion versus a military force that they have become.

1085
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:43.960
I think a religion, anyone should be able to walk

1086
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:45.679
in and be able to access anything.

1087
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.119
But you don't think that's I don't think that's what you.

1088
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:51.400
I think it has to be only Jedi can access

1089
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:51.920
to that space.

1090
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:57.199
Sure that's correct, Yes, right, right, which then begs larger

1091
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:02.239
questions than why are only Jedi allowed in the temple?

1092
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.440
Is it really that difficult? And I guess it's the

1093
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:10.559
ari aristocratic right notions of what Jedi have become because

1094
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.119
it's about what your blood is. It's a very specific thing.

1095
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:16.280
It's not democratized, which.

1096
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:17.599
By the way they're about to go into in the

1097
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:20.960
next episode, it's about spoilers for sensitive children.

1098
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:25.639
Spoilers. Well, yeah, because they they stole the holocron in

1099
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:27.599
the end of the episode is it's a list of

1100
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:32.880
kids with midi chlorian rich blood, which is eerie.

1101
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:38.159
Oh, it's that speaking of implications, getting into the idea

1102
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.760
of like, you know, just getting into like they're like,

1103
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:42.920
you know the way that the Jedi works, are like, hey,

1104
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.480
you got mediclorian rich child blood. Where can we just

1105
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:47.920
take your baby? And they're like, good, take them to

1106
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:53.840
become a monk, you know, a space cat monk. You know. Yeah,

1107
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.679
I don't know. It's it's I think I think you

1108
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.360
can presume that they actually have a pretty good system.

1109
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.400
It's just that these two bounty hunters, and especially Cadbane,

1110
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.800
are clever, and Cadbane actually kind of does pull off

1111
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.039
a heist move of if there's a structure to a heist,

1112
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.880
he they do have the different parts to it, and

1113
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:17.000
they're like a heist always has a surprise at the end, right,

1114
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:20.719
And from the perspective of the people who are like

1115
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:23.440
don't want the high stap and it's it was funny

1116
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.679
to like it's seeing it from this perspective.

1117
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.039
Like they get there's always anyone would ever want to go.

1118
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.920
On exactly they thought they want to get into the

1119
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.119
communications space. He takes advantage of that. So the surprise

1120
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.400
of the surprise of the heist, because there's always a

1121
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.519
magic trick, is that the little thing that he put

1122
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:44.760
inside of his little droid Toto Seth Green is a bomb.

1123
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.360
And so his like real magic trick is I'm going

1124
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:49.880
to take advantage of the fact that you think this

1125
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.840
is what we're doing, and I'm gonna send a bomb

1126
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.159
into you to blow you up. And the only reason

1127
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:58.039
they survive is because they're fucking Jedi and they're like, wait, bomb,

1128
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.639
you know right, So it's it's very it's it still

1129
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.480
gets to have the heist surprise and then yeah, and

1130
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:06.719
he walks out with the thing that they never would

1131
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:10.599
have expected. Yea, but why wouldn't they? I mean, well,

1132
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.519
probably because they're like, well oh, because they even say it.

1133
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:13.960
They're like, only a Jedi can figure that out, and

1134
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:15.880
it's just like well, yanksy poo.

1135
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:19.280
Yacksy poo poo poo.

1136
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.000
Indeed, Cappan's pretty cool. I think I got a little

1137
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:26.280
annoyed when he showed up in live action whatever. I

1138
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.519
don't know, but I was just like, I think I

1139
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:32.320
said this before. I was like, don't I just don't

1140
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.199
like happin Is He's he's he's like a He's a

1141
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:38.480
real adversary, you know, which is very cool.

1142
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:41.599
Well, what other characters do you like?

1143
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:47.320
I like Ahska, I like you know who? I didn't

1144
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.519
like Todo. Are you asking? Are you trying to set

1145
01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:52.239
me up for my starship?

1146
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:52.360
It?

1147
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.519
Don't you take my walk lighter and clip bit?

1148
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:01.039
Don't you take my red schird buddy and the disability.

1149
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.760
I'm gonna sip bit a starship, Aspen, What the heck

1150
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:06.559
are we doing today?

1151
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:10.760
Gonna pick off favorite starships they go zoom boom zoom,

1152
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:13.880
and also our favorite ships that are in the stars

1153
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:19.279
that are people loving each other. They don't have to fly,

1154
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:21.000
they don't have to fly.

1155
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.640
Certainly, they do not have to fly, Aspen, Have you

1156
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:27.000
done your work for the week? Or shall I go first?

1157
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:32.119
I do have I do have a ship. Ah, I

1158
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:36.840
do have a ship. Well, I the starship here is

1159
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:40.399
so when the episodes start, the star Wars Clone Wars

1160
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:44.720
episode starts. You know, it's part of this battle, so

1161
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.560
mine is and there are different There's I think a

1162
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:49.960
lot of the ships we've already named, like a lot

1163
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.119
of the you know, gunner ships and stuff. But there's

1164
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.760
this one that's like part of the banking clan and

1165
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.880
it's called the Munificent Class Star Frigate. It's the bank

1166
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:06.520
Plan brig it and I can like, are I can

1167
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.920
like show you what it looks like because it is

1168
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:14.199
rad to me. They just kind of like show up

1169
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:20.840
like in the episode. Yeah, it's right, the shape of it,

1170
01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:22.920
like it's so it's a banking plan. It's separate to ship.

1171
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:27.199
It almost has a like, I don't know, it feels

1172
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:31.560
very for them being all banking plantag It feels very

1173
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.640
pirty to me. Like the shape of it, and it's

1174
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:37.119
very sharp and like the way that like that.

1175
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:40.359
Like that sales.

1176
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.359
They're like the not scales either, what's the word I'm

1177
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.920
looking for, Like the stuff on the sides, like they

1178
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:47.760
kind of like go to these sharp edges.

1179
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.079
I don't know, it's just like planks the sticking out, Yes, like.

1180
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:53.319
Plank sticking out. They have the tiles on the side

1181
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:54.119
of the of the ship.

1182
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:55.479
I don't know.

1183
01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:56.920
It's a very sharp kind of guy.

1184
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:01.880
I like him. I like him and like it. What

1185
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.079
a great poll the munificent class star forget And luckily

1186
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:10.439
that is not mine, because mine are mister Athos's information discs.

1187
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.239
Cute because they can transport you.

1188
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:14.960
They certainly can.

1189
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:21.000
I'm surprised picked the book. The book thing that he

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01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:27.760
tried to send Kirk through with I would have been

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01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:28.279
a good one.

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01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:32.560
That would have been great, But no, minus the information discs.

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01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:36.479
I've always said reading a good book is a gateway

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01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:40.760
to a million different universes, and none more so literally

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01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:44.479
than here with mister Atos's information discs.

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01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:46.039
You sure do you say that all the time.

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01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:48.399
I say that. It's crazy how much that I say

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01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:51.319
reading a good book is a gateway to a million

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01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:52.239
different universes.

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01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.359
I just like, yeah, I got it. Thank you for

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01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:59.279
your service, see.

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01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.560
Thank you for your heravist asking what ship is for

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01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:08.000
you this week? Ah ah.

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01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:16.359
My ship, my romantic ship. I want to go with

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01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:17.279
the boring one.

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01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:21.800
It's a good one. I want to do a good one.

1207
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:25.960
Spock and Ice Girl, I love it, and Aabeth Spock

1208
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:31.479
and Aabeth Girl of the ice age. He was gonna

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01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.279
fucking give it all up for her. He was gonna

1210
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:39.439
he immediately McCoy was like, my bro, my bro, my dude,

1211
01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:43.640
my sweet boy, you are falling hard for her, and

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01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:46.359
he like kisses her at one point and it's just.

1213
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:49.119
Like he kisses her and not only that, it's accompanied

1214
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:52.279
with a smile. He smiles and it's a smile of

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01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:54.119
relief and like it.

1216
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:58.279
Makes every time, God, every time Spock smiles are like,

1217
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.920
like I think Leonard Kimohite not to sound like a

1218
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:06.199
creep bazoid, but like part of it could be because

1219
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:08.319
he like just doesn't get to do it a lot.

1220
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.319
Just there's just something like I understand people being so

1221
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.920
attracted to learn niymore, like there's something so beautiful, like

1222
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:18.039
the sort of like the joy of the kiss and

1223
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:20.199
the connection, and I think it just shows.

1224
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:24.479
Up one of the running themes in doing the research

1225
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:28.079
through these the voyages is they talk about nim Oi

1226
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:32.920
being a little bit intense, yeah, but pretty darn nice. Yeah,

1227
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:35.880
And he's intense and they're always like he's intense because

1228
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:39.880
like he's having to live with no emotion yeah frequently, right,

1229
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:45.039
so that that can lead to an environment that feels weird,

1230
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.159
yeah for sure. And so every time that he does

1231
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:50.960
get to play like this. It's always coupled with like

1232
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:54.159
Spock feeling some sort of was not always like in

1233
01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.800
the Naked Time where he's having those all of those

1234
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.760
emotions and it's quite torturous, but done like this.

1235
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:05.239
He hangs from a tree.

1236
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:06.720
He does.

1237
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.680
A sweet monkey bowie, and this.

1238
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.640
One and this one gets its own sitting on the

1239
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:19.600
edge of forever kind of ending where I mean, Sarabeth

1240
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:23.239
is dead. Sarabeth is dead because it's five thousand years ago,

1241
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.720
and this Bock has a last line that indicates that

1242
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.920
much because he has returned to his logic. But it's

1243
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:33.439
it's that bittersweet ending that Star Trek can be so

1244
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:34.239
good at.

1245
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:37.920
Yeah, it is pretty devastating. I mean again, if they

1246
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.680
if they'd spent more time with it. The loneliness, like

1247
01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:44.479
of her solitude and just knowing that she's going to

1248
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:48.399
die alone. Like you know, I think, if I were her,

1249
01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:51.279
I just go back and just die with my love

1250
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:53.159
my life or something. But I guess she probably was

1251
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:54.279
like I don't want to make you deal with that.

1252
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:56.680
She could have gone back and been like fix me.

1253
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:02.800
I mean, McCoy has pulled up greater miracles in a

1254
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:07.800
shorter amount of time. Yes. Yeah, my ship of the

1255
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:11.239
week is cad Baine and Cattle Parasity.

1256
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:12.720
Cute.

1257
01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:17.600
I like a very queer friendly relationship because Kato is

1258
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:22.199
fem presenting, but also gender is completely dependent on how

1259
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.920
they are wanting to present themselves. They can be anything.

1260
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.640
In cad Bane strikes me as someone that can be

1261
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:34.239
very hard to pin down in term because by the

1262
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:40.000
nature of his profession. Yeah, he lives a dangerous life

1263
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:43.800
and here's Kato parasity. Who I'm not saying that it's

1264
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:48.199
a good relationship, but Kato is willing to change to

1265
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.279
whatever the needs of cad Bane could be. Wow.

1266
01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:56.079
Yeah, I like the queer representation.

1267
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.840
That's why Clone Wars is truly a quick your first show.

1268
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:07.279
Yeah, I would say, so, that's a good one.

1269
01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:10.560
I love it. I love it. I love it. Yeah.

1270
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.720
Solid, solid ships all.

1271
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:17.359
Around, solid ships all around, and solid analysis all around.

1272
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:21.159
Asking what a genius Kenny, great job yet again, But

1273
01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:24.119
we can't just keep patting ourselves on the back for

1274
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:26.079
the great job that we've done. We got to buckle

1275
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:28.920
down and come to the primary concept of the Track

1276
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.000
Wars podcast. Answer the question once and for all, which

1277
01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:34.479
is better? Star Trek or Star Wars by ranking both

1278
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:39.199
of these episodes of these franchises again. The episode All

1279
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:42.279
Our Yesterdays, the penultimate episode of Star Trek the original

1280
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:46.399
series versus Holochron Heist, season two, episode one of Star

1281
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:50.640
Wars the Clone Wars. I will go first, I will

1282
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:56.760
rank All Our Yesterday's a six M. I'm kind of

1283
01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.800
disappointed too because the spots Arabest stuff is so strong,

1284
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.840
but it's just too little in an episode that has

1285
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.119
a lot of flab, and it just it's so close

1286
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.600
to being like a great app it just needed a

1287
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:11.439
couple more drafts. But it's not there.

1288
01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:16.680
A lot of flab, a lot of flap, fat phoebic.

1289
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:20.920
It is fat phoback. I'm scared. I'm scared. Anytime that

1290
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:25.680
I see a person, a person of size, I run away.

1291
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.359
This is very fair, not that part.

1292
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:36.119
The fat phobia is always justified, not fair.

1293
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:39.680
It's not there, it's not. I'm gonna be a little

1294
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.560
nicer because I loved that piece so much, and I

1295
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.680
did like, I thought it was very creative. I think

1296
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:47.000
I'm gonna go like a six point eight.

1297
01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:50.279
Ooh, you do love to see a charitable reading.

1298
01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:54.760
Yeah, yeah, it is for charity.

1299
01:16:55.399 --> 01:17:00.920
It is for charity, which means that All Our Yesterdays

1300
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:03.279
comes to a robust six point four, but it's still

1301
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:07.399
anyone's game. As we go over to holocron Heist, I'll

1302
01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:13.319
give this one a seven point eight. There was just

1303
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:16.039
something just like your favorite film Tenant. There were just

1304
01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:19.720
something about the vibes that I was very much, for

1305
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.239
lack of another term, vibing with this week, or perhaps

1306
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.119
it was the more deliberate pacing. It wasn't rushing to

1307
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.520
get to the next set piece. There is some delightful tension.

1308
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:33.359
I just really enjoyed it, even if it was pretty

1309
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.239
straightforward and there wasn't that much thematic meat to chew

1310
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:39.760
on in comparison to well, All Our Yesterdays doesn't really

1311
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:43.159
have much thematic meat to chew on either, unfortunately. But

1312
01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.760
I just find like holocron Heist more fun vibes.

1313
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:50.079
Yeah, we'll do seven point five.

1314
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:52.600
Interesting.

1315
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:54.560
Yeah, space to grow.

1316
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.239
Well, speaking of space to grow, there is no more

1317
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:02.039
of growth than it is going to be happening here

1318
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:05.359
because we've come to the sides of vote All Our

1319
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:10.600
Yesterday's six point four versus holocron Heist Robust seven point

1320
01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:14.000
six five which means, Aspen, you must be glad because

1321
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:15.560
Star Wars wins the week.

1322
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:22.079
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

1323
01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:27.680
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Whoa wow, how do

1324
01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:29.680
you feel light? Do you feel like coming? And it's

1325
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:33.079
so pretty like it's just a really gentle afternoon light,

1326
01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:35.640
like two in the afternoon.

1327
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:40.279
Well it's four forty in the afternoon here in Austin, Texas,

1328
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:42.199
which means that the sun is about to set, And

1329
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.279
so two's the sun about to set on this episode

1330
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:48.399
of trek Wars. But not before we remind you and

1331
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.239
get in touch with does via social media, either on

1332
01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:54.960
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01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:57.760
can just shoot us an email trek Warspod at gmail

1334
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1335
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:03.119
reach out to us like our correspondents to at the

1336
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:05.840
beginning of the episode through Padrea on Patreon dot com.

1337
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.359
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1338
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.079
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1340
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:17.039
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01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:20.000
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1345
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.319
Partner who are composed our I starship at themesung and

1346
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:36.239
sentence some correspondence and let me know that I posted

1347
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:39.880
the wrong episode whenever I dropped the Patreon. Our theme

1348
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:43.399
song was composed by mister Tustin al Offesso. You can

1349
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.319
find more links to his work in the show notes,

1350
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.560
so click on the show notes listen to you the

1351
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.239
rest of his work. You can find an aspen and

1352
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.640
a litany of things in Los Angeles. You're in so

1353
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:56.079
many shows.

1354
01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:58.600
I might be though, we'll see.

1355
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:01.600
I'm very excited. I did it for you. Uh. You

1356
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:04.840
can find me on letterboxed. That's where it's most I'm

1357
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:07.159
most active. In the track Wars Blue Sky is also

1358
01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:11.119
where I am most active. Yeah, anything else.

1359
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.880
Having No, that's very nice of you to say all

1360
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:14.399
those things.

1361
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.119
Well, they're all true because I love you so dang much.

1362
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:19.079
I love you.

1363
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:21.239
Thanks for hanging out with me.

1364
01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:25.800
You're so welcome, aspen Uh. May the forest be with

1365
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:27.800
you and live along and prosper