Oct. 4, 2024

Blue Shadow Virus vs. That Which Survives

Blue Shadow Virus vs. That Which Survives

These certainly were two episodes! Aspen and Kenny DISAGREE. What do they disagree on?? Guess you'll have to listen and find out! (hint: Sexy Gungan ladies).

And who's this mysterious writer on Star Trek, Michael Richards?

Also everyone should play...

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Season 1

These certainly were two episodes! Aspen and Kenny DISAGREE. What do they disagree on?? Guess you'll have to listen and find out! (hint: Sexy Gungan ladies).

And who's this mysterious writer on Star Trek, Michael Richards?

Also everyone should play Baldur's Gate.

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Welcome to the Track Wars podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Wars or Star Trek, by going through

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both franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent with me as per always.

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Is aspin Webster Star Wars contingent, and today that way Kenny,

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By the way.

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Why couldn't I say it that way?

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You're not really chronological order, chronological order, chronological order.

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Look, clearly you are trying to beat me down, But no,

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I'm not gonna lay down and die. I will. I

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will beat this virus and be the one which survives

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Jesus Christ. Indeed.

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Okay, sometimes I'm like, hmm, did I did I do

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a good thing by creating a seg boy? The answer

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is yes. The answer is absolutely yes.

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Speaking of absolutely yes, we are definitely going to be

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talking about these episodes from Star Trek the original series,

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season three, that which survives versus Star Wars, the Clone

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Wars Season one, Blue Shadow Virus. I just had one

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of those moments where you realize what you're doing. We

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have almost done one hundred episodes of talking about Star

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Trek versus Star Wars.

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Yea yea yes yes yes yes yes, yes yes yes.

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And I think at worst we're gonna have some opinions

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about these episodes. What do you think.

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I think at best it might have been a little like, well, dang,

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didn't hey that guess which one?

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Oh?

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Like almost like, I mean yeah, kind of into it,

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sort of vibes, you.

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Know, like pretty pretty cool, pretty pretty okay, pretty okay?

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But did you not feel this way?

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Wait? Did you not like the Okay? Wait? Did you

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not like these episodes?

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Air? January twenty fourth, nineteen sixty nine. Story by Michael Richards.

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Huh interesting, that's a weird name. Teleplay by John Meredith Lucas,

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directed by Herb Wallerstein, a notorious director that hopped in

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on the Thillia Webb. From Judy Crosby in her syndicated

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TV Scout column, the synopsis goes the scenic special effects

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once again take over on Star Trek, and they make

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up for an endless confusion. In the script, a landing

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party from the Enterprise investigates a strange planet that seems

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to have been created in a nightmare. The only inhabitant

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is a lovely and dangerous girl who is guarding her

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homeland while her people return from a long journey. The

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Merriweather is the Deadly Lady, the Catwoman, the Catwoman herself,

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the two Batman villains in the past four weeks for it.

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That's right, that's right. Both bring in their own special.

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Jazz and both extremely attract attractive.

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Jesus Christ. Oh yeah, this is actually one of the

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first times that I was like, man, they really nailed

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that makeup and that color palette. She looks great in

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that pink Oh.

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Are you talking about her? By lighting eyeshadow?

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Yeah, it's fantastic. Everyone should just wear blue and pink

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slash purplely kind of red. Everyone. You should be us

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blue and pink.

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Excuse me, Look at my room. Look at my room.

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I love it. I love it.

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Look at my room.

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No, yeah, you are beautifully lit. And by lighting, it's

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not exactly by yeah, it's a little, it's a little big,

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but you know what, your eyeshadow is making up for it.

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So thank you, and you can see my eyeshadow YouTube

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dot com, slash at trek Wars pod subscribe over there.

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Would you care to read the synopsis for Star Wars

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The Clone.

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Wars, Yeah Stars the Clone Wars the Blue Shadow Virus,

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released February thirteenth, two thousand and nine. I think I'm sleepy,

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I like, and then.

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The lid it's eight thirty where you are?

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I don't know, man, I'm just a little sleeping boy.

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You know. I woke up this morning. Wait. Sorry, Before

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I read this, I was definitely like, I went to

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sleep at a normal time last night, like early even.

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I woke up at like a normal time, and I

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went no, no, no, no, and I went back to

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So I'm gonna read this. Oh wait, first I'm gonna say, wait,

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why did you say what was the name that you said?

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That name's weird on Star Trek Michael Richards. Why did

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you say that?

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We'll get into it?

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Okay, okay, Well, in this case, the director of the

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episode of Gean Carlo Volpe. That's very Italian, pretty normal

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name to me, all right. And then on this one specifically,

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it's written by Craig Titley and Jin Klein did the script?

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So fact, what was it? Released February thirteenth, two thousand

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and nine. Hell, evil scientist doctor Nuvo Vindi is recreating

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the dreaded Blue Shadow virus in his secret underground lab

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on Naboo when he captures Senator Senator Amidala and jar

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Jar Binks Anakin and Obi Wan Mount a rescue operation

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and a soaka and Rex and a bomb squad and

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also that cool Gungan lady whose name was.

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Peppy pe Peppy Bell.

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She had her ears back in a sorry we'll get

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into it, but they in her character design of like

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making a lady youngin they uh you remember from space

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jam when they did Lola Bunny and they turned bugs

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bunny Like they were like, how do we make a

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hot bunny? And they like make it so that like

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she can like pull her ears back like like a ponytail. Yeah,

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that's what happens here.

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Well. Dave Filoni famously says.

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Are you gonna play sexy Gung?

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He also says, I love I love a hat so freely.

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He's so funny, so funny that I'd like a character

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with a hat.

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I had no idea that Dave Filoni likes hats. It's

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not he is never once put a character in a

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hat or helmet.

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No, it's his Helmets.

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Star Wars is helmets Sexy Young.

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No, he did say that that's a sound.

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Clip horrifying straight up are just.

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Like sexy young.

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Lady, sexy gungin.

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Lady, uh by Pebo.

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Before we move on some correspondence.

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Oh my god, I know right, Oh my god. People

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want to talk to us. They want to say hello.

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Uh from Austin Aaron cue happy hhm?

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What is Jim hot to go.

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Hot hot happy hot horn to.

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You happy happy Holla, Graham holocron.

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Months I personally asked me, I'm gonna go with happy hard.

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I feel really worried about not knowing this HHM.

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Certainly hello, perceptive podcast People's Kenny. We are starting to

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watch Brooklyn nine nine in my household. Hey, that's wonderful.

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I'm really impressed by the joke structures, an ensemble building,

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less impressed by the season one sexism. How do you

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think the show holds up after eleven years? Do you

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think Star Trek ages quicker or slower than comedy? Comedy

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definitely ages faster than Star Trek. Star Trek is dealing

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with themes questions seem basic to human existence. But also

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I'm completely unbiased because Star Trek has existed for me

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since before I even had memories, So I'm like, yeah,

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this just looks like, now, what are you talking about?

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Oh yeah, I think comedy shifts quickly. I think comedy

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it as we become more aware of what we are

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punching down or punching up to, and we are thinking

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kind of more holistically. Yeah, comedy is gonna shift and change.

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I was just thinking about that. So I was like,

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when's last time I watched Brooklyn nine nine? And I

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don't think it was. I didn't watch it as it

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was coming out. It was only a few years ago,

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and I don't recall feeling particularly frustrated more probably just

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like you know, which is a very different experience, and

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like say watching Friends and being like I can't get

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past I cannot watch this show anymore, Like I just

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cannot even watch it. But then I think about like

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a Blazing Saddles, which I actually think has certain jokes

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that are now but like as a general movie, like

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Is truly still works it every single way because it

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is coming from very much the perspective it is. It

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is centered and focused on the story of a marginalized

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person and someone who is in full support of that

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black man and is treated with a kind of kindness

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that I think is and it's yeah, so like the

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jokes of like the engagement of these differences are of

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like race and what that looks like. And the bad

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guys are the shitty racist guys, these white guys anyway.

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You know, I think I think about blazing sad as

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a lot because people use that as a little like

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we could never make that this and I'm just like

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you shut up, shut up, like you're good and you

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actually you should honestly, like these are the stories, right,

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It's more it will not more racist, It's just it

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is it is more dangerous to actually a color blind

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way like anyway, because we are a dressing true systemic injustice.

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Speaking of addressing things.

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Uh huh huh.

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I am one hundred and fifty hours into Balder's Gate three.

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That sounds like a nightmare.

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Oh my god? Wait or wait is this still Aaron?

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Yeah? This is still Aaron?

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Oh god, incredible.

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That sounds like a nightmare.

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No, it's not.

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Why would you play a game for one hundred and

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fifty hours?

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I would if I could. I've actually, I've actually gotten

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to the point in Balder's Gate where it used to

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be because I just wasn't a video game player, so

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I was like, Oh, I've been sitting here too long.

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I'm too stressed out now. I'm like, if it weren't midnight,

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I would keep playing this game. I would keep playing

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it forever.

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Well, Aaron says as a big D and d NERD,

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I am enthralled by the seeing combat and gameplay translated

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so well, and disappointed by not being able to say

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whatever I want during the character interactions, I out, who's

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your main crew? I'm Lazel shirt Will and a monk.

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Who's your main ship? Lazel is Basil?

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What did you just names?

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Did you just I don't know as when I'm just

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reading the question is can I haven't played Bader's Game three,

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and I'm never going to because I think video games

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for dorks.

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Oh my gosh. Okay, wait, wait wait, I'm gonna actually

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read the email. Las Ll shadow Heart Will and a

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monk is what he said?

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Okay, what's your name?

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Shadow Heart? He just wrote s Hart Laisel, shadow Heart

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Will and he is a monk.

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That I'm going to be the one that's reading the email.

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Is okay, I can get it.

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Lasil shirt Will and a.

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Monk Laceel Lazel Fasil. Oh yeah, so, oh, who's my

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main ship, so he means my ship. Oh my god,

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it's it's my character in shadow Heart. That's who my

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ship is, my character. So I really love D twenty

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Dimension twenty on Dropout Television. And there's a character that

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zach O Yama plays in Fantasy High called Gorgug, and

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Gorgug is a half orc barbarian, and I think, yeah,

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I think he's Yeah, he's a barbarian, that's what. So yeah, anyway,

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and there's like a funny bit where there's like a

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high elf who's another character's grandfather who just cannot say

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his name and calls him georg. So my character is

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a half ork, half work barred though, which is fun

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because we love a giant hole king half orc who

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also plays a little loot and has really a high charisma.

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And their name is Georgage, so that's fine. And I

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tried so hard to woo shadow Heart and I succeeded.

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I succeeded. She's a sticky, steaky get that I really

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was into her. Also, Carlac is a great character because

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she's basically just like a toppy domy like sort of

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like lesbian type of vibe and you feel like you

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want to see her with like a cigar she rules.

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Speaking of Toppy Austin, Aaron explains what HHM means to

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us two white people.

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Fucking god, what assholes.

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Which star franchise do you think has done a better

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job representing Hispanic folks? Easy question? And or.

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or Star Trek. Well, let's see.

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It's it's Star Wars because you have.

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Because there's and broke one and and.

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I think, uh, Latin X representation of Star Trek is

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in pretty darn poor. I think you've got Rios and Picard, which,

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to be.

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Fair, yeah, I think about.

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The worst character in Star Trek.

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And you also have I know she's she's like, what's

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the character.

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From a voyagerres?

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Yeah, Torres blanataurres.

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That show Voyager seems more interested in terrogating her kling

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on side.

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Her kling on side. But I mean from if I

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am not Latine like, but I you know, I do

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wonder if there is a be curious what her perspective

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is like, if there's like a parallel there of like

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this stereotype of like Latino women being like loud or

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kind of like in your face, Like it's a general

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sort of like perspective of women of color to write

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that they're kind of put this way like fiery, and

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I wonder if there could be any relationship between like

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what does it look like to be someone who's like

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perceived this way in the world. And that's really valuable obviously,

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like Robert Belchan is playing an indigenous person and he's

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not Indigenous, but he himself I think is Hispanic. But yeah,

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I'm with you. I'm with you that, like if I

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were to like kind of sore through them all the

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very existence of and or and you know when we

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talk to our friends. I remember talking to Aaron Selinas

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once and he, you know, we were like, we're not

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really big Rogue one fans. Oh, I don't know if

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you were there. I remember talking to er Selinas about no.

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I mean, I've had this conversation with Aaron Selinus as

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well of.

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Like it's like we're not we're not like Rogue one fans,

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and he's just like, listen, I don't care. My dad

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watched that movie and was like, there we are on screen.

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So and now, yeah, ann Selinas gets to have the

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best Star Wars period with and or yeah for sure. Well,

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I mean, of course subjective.

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Yeah, yeah, what do you.

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Want from me?

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Uh, apologies for thinking HHM and the perspective of it

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must do with a star War star trek and as

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opposed to it just being a thing that is true.

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This is the last day that we're recording, this last

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day of Hispanic Herritage month.

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Uh. Personally, like a good white person, I blame Austin

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Aaron for not educating us exactly.

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It was your responsibility as the Latino man, the Hispanic man.

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So thank you so much.

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Thank you, Austin Aaron. Please keep those emails coming in

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and if you two want to send an email, send

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it in to Trek warspod at gmail dot com.

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Incredible. Also, by the way, I didn't I didn't answer this.

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I'm playing it with Joel. I'm playing it. So the

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main crew is my character Georgiage, his character, my partner.

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Joel Sexy Gung and.

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His character who yeah, is like a half leeing fighter

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I think Carlac usually in Shadow Heart usually. So anyway,

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I'm done. I'm done. That was a long conversation. I

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enjoyed it. Yeah, it's great. I guess we should talk

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about the episodes.

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Should we absolutely.

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Or should I just go ton't just sleep and take

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a nap?

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Negative? Because we're we're this far in research. We've done

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the work. Now let's try and answer the most important

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question fandom. Which is better Star Wars star Trek talking

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about these two episodes.

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First impressions, I I liked the stars.

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Both of these episodes suck. No, they don't, Yes, they do.

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The Clone they are bad.

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The Clone Wars episode is not bad.

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It's real bad.

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It's not bad.

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It's real bad.

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It's not bad.

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It's bad.

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It's not bad.

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It's disastrous. It's not it's bad. Blue Shadow virus is bad.

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What are you talking about?

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What are you talking about? The George are antics? Okay? Once? Okay,

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it's charming, it's refreshing, Okay, cool, great, Second on the

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second happens once. We had three episodes with jar Jar

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and I hope that all of those balloons carry over.

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You can see that over the YouTube YouTube dot Wars.

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We've had three episodes with jargear Banks.

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I'm fine with.

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It, and it is infuriating because in the other two

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episodes he was kind of competent. No, not here, Yeah, abhorrent.

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Well, he's the one that leads them to the place

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where it's being developed.

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Sure, great, wonderful, but by accident, because he's hungry for

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a bug, he.

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Still didn't It's accidental. Competency is his bag.

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Why couldn't he just have not engaged in charge our

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antics and instead just have been a competent character's charge. Oh,

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he is a at this. In episode two, he does

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not engage in antics, even though he's barely there. And well,

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I guess he engages in the ultimate antics by giving

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Palpatine emergency powers. But at least he doesn't knock down bookshelves.

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That's what happens when he is competent. He fucks up.

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We fuck competent. He's incompetent, he does a great job,

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as it happens when you try to make him who

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he is not.

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And then Aspen, look, we've we've talked about the problematic

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racial dynamics of Judge oar Binks as well as so

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many other Star Wars podcasts and just culture in general.

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Jar Jar Binks is an offensive character. Okay, you know

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he's an offensive character. And then you bring in Peppy

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Boh we yeah, they carry over the same cadence charge

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our binks speaks. Meanwhile, we have demonstrations of other Gungans

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that don't participate in the minstrel dialogue that is given

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to charge our banks, and it is it is abhorrent.

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I don't think that's true. I think they all have

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the same they all have the same speech patterns.

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They have the same but in that same screechy timber.

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Well, they're like where she's a lady, She's not just.

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A late sexy gung And.

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I think at this point I have to tell you,

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I am okay with jar Jar Beings just getting to

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be a character.

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You're a nightmare.

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I I my dude, I am like mostly I'm sort

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of just like neutral on his existence. And likely what's

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happening is is they keep this is like what we

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were talking about with Patrick, that they keep kind of

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doing padmea disservice by pairing her with him constantly, because

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it's like so it means it's like, we know when

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you're doing you're doing an improv show and you want

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to kind of be a little bivol, but like you

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can't because someone's being too goofy. So you're like, I

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guess I gotta beat a grounded one in this, which

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is like, Okay, you got a play. You gotta do

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your part and be a good player. But like could

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have been fun to goof around a little bit. But

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I guess I'm serious now, yes, And like that's what

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Padme has to be because he's so goofy, and so

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she doesn't get to have as much fun maybe and

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be a little bit warm, Like she gets to mostly

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just be like adventure girl.

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Why not let jarj R. Be a person? Why? Why not?

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Why why not just let Jargra be a person?

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He has for what it's worth, he has, Like he

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does the dumb dumb thing with the bug in this,

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that's the last thing he does in this that is

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dumb dumb. He's fairly competent the rest of the time.

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I actually had a little bit of a moment where

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I was like, oh, no, is he gonna like fuck

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something up so bad He's gonna like put up a bomb.

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And I was like, no, they're actually taking it seriously, basically,

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what just the only thing that happens is like he,

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by virtue of his nose is able to find a

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rabbit droid and that's kind of it. And mostly he's

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just like there to be there. There's a funny bit

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with Peppi Bore. She like hits them with a stick.

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And you know what, I like physical comedy.

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That's great. I love physical comedy too.

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Yeah. I think they're they're kind of showing a foil

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also of like her being very capable versus his little goofness.

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I'm just glad that they weren't like Nissa and Love

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or something stupid like that.

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Because she is pink, because of course.

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She is sexy gung and make no mistake, her ears

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are pulled back in a ponytail, she's wearing a hat,

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and she is a sexy gung. I don't hate her.

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She's like clearly wants to help. She watches all of

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her tick, her tick cows die and it's devastating, and

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she just wants to help and she's very capable.

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It's bad. It's a bad episode.

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No, there is part of the episode where I was

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genuinely like, oh no, oh no, I'm so worried.

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That's because that's because you feel with the full spectrum

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of the emotions that are given to you. I'm just

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I've thrown four TVs out of my window because I

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it is this This episode was a pain to watch

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so hard.

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I'm so surprised. It's not like it's as good as

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any of the others, but it for certain is not bad.

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It's bad.

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It's okay. So you didn't like Georgie or what else?

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Didn't you like Peppy Bow?

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Okay? Incredible?

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Doctor VINDI was a lot.

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I loved him so much.

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That's great. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sure.

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Whose guy not that? I'm also just basle in Austin Powers.

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And the way Michael Yorke from Cabaret and Logan from

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Logan's Run he turns thirty and has to do Carousel.

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The way that he plays that part is genuinely like

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the most unhinged former Nazi, and I like, I'm into.

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It as just like it's a it's a freaking virus.

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That's boring.

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It's not every every single are you kidding me? Every

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single time that vile? Almost it doesn't.

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Why don't did Jedi just use the force to grab

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every sample and just put it in their little belt?

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That's fair? It was all yeah, you should have done it.

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You're right, You're right. That would have been that would

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have been an easy They could have just taken a

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stupid little briefcase of files.

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But but but the bombs, the use the force to

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do what do what with them?

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Where it's airborne. The whole point is he turned the

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virus from waterborne into airborne.

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They can dig some holes.

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Then it gets into the water system.

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Dig the holes far away.

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Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, No, it's an airborne virus. Do you remember?

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Do you remember when we had to deal with an

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airborne virus?

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And yeah, it was a nightmare.

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It's scary. Maybe I watched it with that thought. I'm

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just like, imagine, it's just like a whole bunch of

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like COVID that could kill you immediately. It was like

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right there about to get out and kill everybody.

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On that boo. Unless you think that my fury is

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just relegated to a blue shadow virus, so too do

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I do? I hold that which survives and contempt as

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being Yeah, a boring, sleepy episode that I want to

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talk mystery box. I want to talk mystery box. We

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can knock it off.

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I have to tell you something. I also didn't hate it.

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What is wrong with you?

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You know what it reminded me of. I think I'm

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giving it a little too much credit, because it really did,

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because it reminded me of do you remember the DS

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nine episode the sound of her voice?

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Yes, a great app.

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An extraordinary episode of television that this is nowhere near,

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but like kind of reminded me of it, and then

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I got sad and it made me fonder of this episode.

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Interesting, fascinating, wonderful. I don't think that those two things

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are connected in the slightest very much were in my mind.

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You're a fan of mysteries.

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I love them.

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You are in the Jessica f at your club.

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God, we're in season five. It's so good.

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But you just love mysteries in general, murder mysteries, mysteries, mysteries.

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You hate them?

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I do, yes, even though I do own Knives out

480
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:21.119
in four K and it's it's it's wonderful because it

481
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.680
steals its structure for Colombo, which makes me like, as

482
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.160
soon as I watched that, I was just like, what

483
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.599
is the new tension? And just from a narrative perspective,

484
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.799
as I was fascinated by it, and then turns out

485
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.119
he stole it from Columbu and I was like, genius,

486
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:36.839
Ryan Johnson, is God steal it?

487
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.519
Or you know, adapt to borrow from your heroes.

488
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.480
Yeah, it's not like he's stealing the character of Colombo.

489
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.240
I mean, until poker Face, you didn't steal it. But

490
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.119
every time she didn't come into a room, she's just like,

491
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.000
you know what. And one more thing.

492
00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:10.119
It was, so this episode is bad, okay, okay, And

493
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.359
it uses mysteries to.

494
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:20.119
Add the illusion of interest as opposed to what was

495
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:25.440
initially planned, which was it's frustrating whenever you read what

496
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.920
was initially planned, which was kind of like it wasn't great,

497
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.200
but it was better than I think what we got

498
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.839
because instead of just one lady walking up to walking

499
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:38.839
up to the boys on the planet and touching them

500
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.920
and making their selves explode, which, to be fair, if

501
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.240
lee Meriweather walked up to me and was just like,

502
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.319
I am Fraide.

503
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:48.599
I have to touch you, I'd.

504
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.240
Be like me, is it me?

505
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:58.400
Is it me you're looking for? So it wasn't just

506
00:28:58.720 --> 00:28:59.400
one woman.

507
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.640
Yes, it was the planet and there was not one

508
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.640
central enemy. It was the planet kind of trying to

509
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.119
force the Enterprise crew back onto the ship and being

510
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.200
it was it was a roundabout way of commenting on

511
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.200
property of environmental Oh.

512
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.079
Okay, if it were if it were like the environment

513
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.240
being like the fuck off me, a.

514
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.160
Little bit of that like the happening as well? Should

515
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.640
we should we talk about the happening?

516
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:29.079
Should we?

517
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.240
Brand? Is the Happening podcast.

518
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.079
Just the happening over and over and over again? Boy,

519
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.799
every single episode we just rewatched the happening.

520
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.200
We could split it into like a minute by minute

521
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.400
podcast where we talk about the happening one minute at

522
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:42.759
a time.

523
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.599
No only all or nothing, Well.

524
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.599
We would be talking about all of it. We were

525
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.160
just covering each minute and then whenever we finish it,

526
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.240
those minutes start again.

527
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.640
Okay, I see you're finding a way to okay, but

528
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.240
I'm thinking an hour and a half every week.

529
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.160
Though. There is the Death Bible, uh, the Paul Blart

530
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.559
Malkop podcast that releases one episode that the macelroy brothers

531
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:09.039
do every Thanksgiving. That's fun, it's pretty fun, unlike this episode.

532
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:14.480
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So private property mm hmm, private

533
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.079
property and capitalism.

534
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.039
Yeah, okay, And there was not one central enemy. It

535
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:25.319
was kind of the planet rebelling, okay, But eventually it

536
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.440
got boiled down to this one lady because they wanted

537
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:35.799
a personification of the thing, a woman, a woman woman,

538
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:42.839
and I think it just doesn't work m hm at all.

539
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:48.400
And then the stuff on board the ship, it's not

540
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.519
going if you're like we said last episode, if you're

541
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.640
bothering not to talk about themes.

542
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.200
Then be interesting at least then be interesting.

543
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.119
So talk to me about the good tenets of like

544
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:07.480
effective mysteries. Oh, I think because because this episode talks

545
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.119
about the mystery made me want to talk about the

546
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:15.079
mystery box and how the mystery box can be used

547
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.039
to generate excitement but also ultimately can end up hollow

548
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.160
if not executed correctly.

549
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:30.279
Yeah, and this isn't executed correctly. Well, I don't know.

550
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.200
I can only speak for me personally. I think that

551
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.519
there is a obviously like an excitement. I think with

552
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.480
the mystery, you like to guess what it could be,

553
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.880
and it doesn't necessarily have to have all perfect strings

554
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:52.880
leading to answer, because I don't need it to perfectly

555
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.839
explain itself in the end. That's a personal aspen thing.

556
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:58.839
But I like to be able to see some things,

557
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.680
so I like to be able to notice. I think

558
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.160
that the the surprise of the thing is great. I

559
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.160
do think guessing is kind of a joy of it,

560
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.359
So sometimes when it's like it's not like you have

561
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.519
to be right, but if like the answer is so

562
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.839
far off from anything that even could have been, like

563
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.119
it can feel frustrating, like you just pulled that out

564
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.440
of nowhere, like you know, we're smart. The best mysteries

565
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:31.400
treat their audience as smart and interested and excited. So

566
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.079
I like, I will forgive a Sherlock Holm as being like, well,

567
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.079
it was this type of tobacco, and I'm like, of course,

568
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:36.960
I wouldn't have known that.

569
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:41.119
Knives out and glass on treats its audience as incredibly

570
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:48.440
smarts out, pulls a Colombo and explains the mystery. Then

571
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:54.079
the tension completely transforms, and then there's another mystery that

572
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.599
reveals itself over the course of the film, so you

573
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.559
still get the delicious payoff of a whodan it and

574
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.960
it totally makes sense. And then glass Onion really try something.

575
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.799
I'm not entirely sure that it succeeds, but it really tries,

576
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:11.359
and I think that that is cool.

577
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.000
I think it's cool.

578
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.319
I don't like and the poker faces a blast and

579
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:18.519
not really who done it? But why done it? Why?

580
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:19.240
Don Yeah?

581
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.319
And that's that's right. I mean, those are the only

582
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.359
things that I can explain, and then you're the person

583
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:24.200
that watches.

584
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.039
I directed a murder show, and what I told everyone

585
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.079
was the things don't actually have to always match up

586
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.759
in the end. What has to matter the most in

587
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:39.039
this The most important things are you have compelling characters

588
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:44.440
that believe in something and relationships that are interesting, and

589
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.119
then everything will fall into place.

590
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.640
So that and this episode doesn't really have any interesting relationships,

591
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:52.880
I mean.

592
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:53.559
It kind of does.

593
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:58.759
And then the miss please explain, well, I.

594
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.759
Think what we're running into me right now is the

595
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:02.880
like the sort of.

596
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.400
Depth that I'm too right this week.

597
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:16.760
I will grind you to a pulpe. Yeah, now you know,

598
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.440
it's like the the awful deadness of season three of

599
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.679
Star Trek, where sometimes any little thing can feel extraordinary.

600
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.320
And I felt so thrilled that Sulu was there getting

601
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.880
to do something. I don't know if that like something

602
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:38.639
for me something, And also the McCoy Spock relationship was

603
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:40.039
very interesting for me.

604
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.000
We got me Banga, and.

605
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.119
We got Mebanga. We got a bunch of people getting

606
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.159
to do interesting things that I hadn't got to see

607
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.519
do things in a while, and so it felt a

608
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.920
little like a drop of water in the dozen and

609
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.920
I got really excited.

610
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.000
I understand that I just liked it.

611
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.079
I liked I didn't like the way that Kirk was

612
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.920
treating Sulu, like all of his ideas, Oh.

613
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:08.400
My gosh, like Zulu presenting solutions to what the heck

614
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.519
is going on in Kirk being kind of like first

615
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:13.880
season Kirk was, He's a little bit of a kill joy.

616
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.639
Yeah, and Spock's also kind of being a little intense too, up.

617
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:23.039
On the ship's box, being a little stinker some levity.

618
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.639
He's being funny. It's actually genuinely funny things that he

619
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.079
would say. Yeah, like he takes he was pulling alike,

620
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.320
but he was almost pulling a sort of like neuro

621
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.159
spicy esque, like I take everything literally kind of thing.

622
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.840
And he's like, dude, you've been around to humans a while,

623
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.079
you got this. You're half human. Get over it. But

624
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.440
it did it did feel I like I was there's

625
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.159
just there was there were moments, especially near the end,

626
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.519
when I felt like there were things that we were

627
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.960
seeing too, like we were getting to see McCoy do

628
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:58.440
something heroic and it was truly scary, Like the kind

629
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:02.199
of the the the risk, the stakes felt particularly high

630
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.400
in a way that I was like surprised by. I

631
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.679
was like, I don't think, I know, we're not gonna explode. However,

632
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.280
like he's in a dangerous space. He is literally saying,

633
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.039
if this does not work, jettison me. And little crack moments,

634
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:18.639
little cracks in the like spots sort of his the

635
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.119
way that he presents himself as being so logical, so

636
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.159
by the book, and then it's like we got to

637
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.840
counted down to one and it should be that you

638
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.360
make the choice. But you actually do believe in McCoy,

639
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.159
You do have hope, you do love him, you know,

640
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:34.800
like and you know he can do this.

641
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.519
You're talking about Scotty. Whenever Scotty is trying to reverse polarity, I.

642
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:42.920
Kept saying, McCoy, I'm so sorry I met Scotty. Yeah, sorry,

643
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.079
mccoya Scottish.

644
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.400
Because the sh is warping through space and it keeps increasing.

645
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.360
Because whenever Lossirah played by Lee Merriweather, popped onto the

646
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.920
ship in the teaser to be like don't go down there, yeah,

647
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.880
she accidentally reversed the polarity a do dead on the

648
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.880
ship and made the warp go faster. It made Scotty

649
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:08.920
was like, she's going to explode spockets.

650
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:08.679
Like.

651
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.559
What if it did if you stopped it?

652
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.280
Much like Matred Grinder and the Grinder? He asked, what

653
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:17.639
if it didn't?

654
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.360
I So I think that they're a little character.

655
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.360
What a great I've ever green reference that I just

656
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.599
made talking about the Grinder.

657
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.360
I agree, you know we all know about that. I

658
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.719
just think there were like really valuable little character moments.

659
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:41.440
I liked Sulu getting like he almost gets killed and

660
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.519
it's like terrifying, like his shoulder gets touched and what

661
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.880
does that mean? And like I don't know. I just

662
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.079
even if I didn't really like the Kirk treatment, I

663
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:49.559
liked him.

664
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.639
Yeah, but it's just frustrating. Whatever your central mystery consists

665
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.920
of one action that MM doesn't make sense, doesn't reflect character,

666
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:04.519
doesn't reflect relationships, doesn't reflect themes. It is a woman,

667
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:06.199
a woman.

668
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.239
Just appearing out of nowhere, over and over.

669
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.639
Again, going I am for you, killing two crew member,

670
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.440
three crew members in the exact same fashion.

671
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:18.719
Yep, there's nothing special about her. You're right.

672
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:24.159
And I wrote in my notes, this is like a

673
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:28.519
ten minute episode stretched out because there's just not And

674
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.400
this is where I think if you had just moved

675
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.199
up the central mystery and just solved it much quicker.

676
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.519
Get through that real estate so we can explore something.

677
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.400
Yeah, I mean once again, it's like, oh, a computer

678
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:48.599
that was supposed to do something is like confused because

679
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.280
that's all it's ever like, because the whole for those

680
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.199
who have not seen it, Yeah, she keeps popping in

681
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.599
being like I am for you touching people and exploding

682
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.880
all theirselves and discrushing them.

683
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.760
You can't touch them. She turns two dimensional and folds away,

684
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.280
which is cool. It's a very cool effect.

685
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.440
It's a very cool effect. She can hop up onto

686
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:17.280
that onto the ship, which is nine hundred years away.

687
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:23.079
She hot back down, and it's that she is the

688
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.440
computer's manifestation or it's like it's way of trying to

689
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.320
keep people off of the the planet.

690
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.840
Because it's because there's a virus.

691
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:33.840
Because there's a virus.

692
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.920
And killed everyone on the fake planet. It's also a

693
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:36.599
fake planet.

694
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.000
It's a fake planet that is revealed kind.

695
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.559
Of through hats on hats that aren't explored.

696
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.960
Right, Like they don't really explore that until they just

697
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.719
kind of are like, wait a second, I think it

698
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.119
might be this. That's why like the rock can't be

699
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.320
like burnt or disintegrated.

700
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:53.599
What does that say about anything?

701
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.320
Yeah, and then ultimately they get down to it and

702
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:58.880
it's just another computer that's like I'm trying to do

703
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.519
my duty and like I'm using her image because that's

704
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.599
the only recorded image I have to use, so and

705
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.079
I what it should have done. You're getting to a

706
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.519
good point is it should have dug more into like imagine,

707
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.039
I mean we've had a lot of these computer malfunctions

708
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.840
type of thing, like we're fucking done. What hilarious about

709
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.719
this one is that you just broke the computer by

710
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.280
just shooting it didn't take like a whole thing this time.

711
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:32.800
But because in that last like ten minutes right there,

712
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.800
they're sort of reflecting on because you then see her

713
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:44.519
message that she's recorded like this kind of clearly like strong, smart,

714
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.760
like thoughtful leader who just wants to keep people safe.

715
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.800
And so imagine if you cat done sort of like

716
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.519
whatever the equivalent of like a like the sound of

717
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.039
her voice had been where it's like what if. Because

718
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.760
there's so much of her in sight what this planet

719
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.360
computer is putting out there, you get to interact with

720
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.000
her more and actually truly be with her and you know,

721
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.320
explore the idea of what it is to be human,

722
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.480
and then maybe this like computer representation itself starts to

723
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.840
be like sad for the loss of you know, like

724
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.480
you can see that being an engaging sort of thing.

725
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.880
Also, if the woman is a planet, which is Dave

726
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:26.840
Filoni's favorite idea, if the whole planet was one woman,

727
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.480
it also could bring up to mind what is the

728
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:34.000
nature of existence? Where Kirk and company define existence as

729
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:38.480
you got five fingies on each hand, five toes. You

730
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.599
feel this, and then you have this character who is

731
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:46.840
locked into this facsimile of a human, but it's able

732
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:52.960
to experience a breadth of emotion. Right, cool? Interesting, Yeah,

733
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.079
it's not that. Also, the central conceit of a landing

734
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.840
party and then the ship is just thrown away almost

735
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.360
a thousand light years. That's a great enough premise on

736
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:07.800
its own.

737
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.639
Yeah, it's happened before, but you know it's especially if

738
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.079
Sulu is there and that excitable biologist.

739
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.760
Yeah, you don't have to there's no vegetation there.

740
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.239
Yep, there is, but it's all poisonous.

741
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.400
Sure, thank you for the correction.

742
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.960
You're welcome. Who is the Star Trek expert?

743
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.360
Now it's you Aspen.

744
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.239
I remembered that they said that because Zulu said it,

745
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:37.079
and I love him.

746
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.280
But they're all the vegetation is poisonous, there's nothing to

747
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.440
sustain them, and they have to wait for the enterprise.

748
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.920
The episode could literally just be a character piece of

749
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.599
them on a planet figuring out how to survive. A

750
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.159
great character based episode. Sure, and they throw in a

751
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.920
mystery because and this notably made Michael Richards never want

752
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.360
to work on Star Trek the original series ever again.

753
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:08.760
Really why why? Because the episode under Fred Freiberger and

754
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.480
his go to co writer Michael Richards was definitely unimpressed

755
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.559
with it and no longer wanted to be involved with

756
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.760
him because there wasn't They weren't interested in exploring themes.

757
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.800
They were just kind of focused on getting a script

758
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.719
done that in another episode that Michael Richards worked on

759
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:28.920
in the future.

760
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.760
Yeah, I don't know why. I wasn't mad at it.

761
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.719
You're not familiar with Michael Richards the previous work.

762
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:43.679
Oh, I don't know. Do you have to tell me, Gunny?

763
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:52.599
You might be familiar with a mock time surgeon. Okay,

764
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.920
you might be familiar with Journey to Babel more spot

765
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.880
centric episodes. The Enterprise incident.

766
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:04.760
Yeah, so good episodes, great, really good great episodes with

767
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:10.079
like a lot of really interesting uh themes and character relationships.

768
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.599
This is a very this is a very empty, emotionally

769
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:18.119
empty episode. And I'm I'm I'm still sitting here being like,

770
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.800
why wasn't I by no means am I like this

771
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.079
is a good or great episode. But it's not like

772
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.079
a I hate this episode, or it's not like I

773
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:27.719
don't it's not like I'm not going to go as

774
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.280
far so far as you call it bad. But and

775
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.599
I'm trying to figure out why though, And I wonder

776
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.079
if I'm actually affected by the ending, which is a

777
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.480
little bit like an info dump.

778
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.159
It's pretty good ending, but also you're, yeah, you're exactly right,

779
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:48.599
it's the entire episode. It's not really emotionally resonant to me.

780
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.480
Yeah, I mean, and again, it could just be the

781
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:56.119
sort of like, oh, what joy to see my best friends?

782
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:56.920
What have you been?

783
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.840
Why haven't you had speaking rules.

784
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.679
For so long? So anyways, the treatment of this episode

785
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.400
made Dorothy Fontana never want to work on the original

786
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.159
series ever. Again, Wait what her two?

787
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:17.760
She's Michael Richards, Oh my god, Oh I feel I

788
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.719
feel sick. I feel sick.

789
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.280
How wild would it be if he vomited? Just because

790
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:25.519
of that information.

791
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.639
I feel like uncomfortable in my body. I mean, I

792
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.519
am surprised. I thought that she was already OUTI she

793
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:34.400
was out.

794
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.960
And also still got four episodes. She was contracted to

795
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:38.400
write four episodes for Star Trek.

796
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:41.880
It's so funny. I thought you were just talking about

797
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.159
some dude and I did not care, And now you're

798
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:48.159
talking about DC Fontana and I'm like, yeah, my dream girl.

799
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.000
Did this hurt her? Then I'm you know what, I

800
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.119
hate it? I hate this. I hate this episode. There's

801
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.239
nothing good about this episode, nothing good in the world.

802
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.280
I hate it. It's the worst thing I've ever seen

803
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.960
in my life, if it that's right.

804
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:01.719
Uh.

805
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:08.639
Dorothy Fontana wrote, uh the Enterprise Incident quite famously. Uh.

806
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:14.760
And then she was under contractor write three others. Uh.

807
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:19.360
Where are they the Enterprise Incident? Uh? A script called Joanna,

808
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:24.159
which we will get to. I don't I can't find

809
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:26.800
what the other one.

810
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.639
And so she was like, as you're looking for that,

811
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.239
she was genuinely like, this is not the show that

812
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:36.719
I worked on and that I've done this before. This

813
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:41.119
is just at this point where just what is art

814
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.519
pump and shut.

815
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.920
Out another episode called Van Bolt's Robots, which didn't move on.

816
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:51.119
So she was contracted for four episodes. Sure, uh, the

817
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:56.400
enterprise incident pretty much, she's credited on it, right, so uh,

818
00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:00.320
and then wrote this one and another epist so called

819
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.400
Joanna that gets turned into The Way to Eden and

820
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.559
we will talk about that one later anyways.

821
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.119
So what is it about? So she wrote it? Clearly

822
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:11.760
they fucked it over.

823
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.159
How she was not pleased with the direction that Fred

824
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.719
Freiberger was taking Star Trek and asked to be released

825
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:24.000
from her contract, which makes it sense because we've gone

826
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:30.320
from yeah do it bro. Gene rod Berry John D. F.

827
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.000
Black as the initial showrunner Gene Coon John Meredith Lucas.

828
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:39.000
John Meredith Lucas is credited on the tonnel play and

829
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.519
tries to preserve what he can, but it just kind

830
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:49.039
of gets stripped out because of just getting notes. And

831
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.119
they're not really so worried so much as they're like,

832
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.159
we have to have a script to shoot because it's

833
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.000
hard to make a Star Trek, which I can't really

834
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.840
fault them on that one.

835
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:05.159
At least they got a planet this time.

836
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.880
They did get a planet. Not only that, like the

837
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.320
planet shakes, it was cool. It was cool. I was like,

838
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:17.559
this is a notoriously twelve dollars budgeted season three. This

839
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.760
feels like a lot we've got. Not only that, but

840
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:24.079
we got like an engine set where they're messing with

841
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:24.760
the anti matter.

842
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.360
Yeah, and I'm coming back to it and I'm like,

843
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.519
it's it's an episode. Not to direct us away from

844
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.079
it again, but I'm still trying to sit here and

845
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.360
be like, what is what is your vibe? Assen? I

846
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:37.880
think it is, like, well, if I'm not going to

847
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.199
get something intellectually interesting, at least I'm getting some fun

848
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:47.639
little set pieces that do give me individual character work

849
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:53.199
and like dynamism that I feel like I've been kind

850
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.760
of desiring. So it does have a kind of fun

851
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.320
little feel to it in a way that and got

852
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.000
to experience in a while. And maybe I'm I'm extending

853
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.719
a fondness to it for that purpose because it is

854
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.840
a really cool little engine room. Like also reversing the

855
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.920
polarity on his little wrench. I don't it just basically

856
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:13.280
took me.

857
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.800
It gets stuck, It gets stuck, its little tools stuck.

858
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.639
It's basically a wrench and he like just takes the

859
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:23.480
end off of it and just turns it around. What

860
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:25.920
the fuck? I loved it. It's so so stupid. I

861
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.559
love that so much. God, I can't believe they did

862
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.920
my girl dirty. But they started doing my girl dirty

863
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.079
early on. They started taking her stuff and like kind

864
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.760
of breaking it apart a little bit more than should

865
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.960
have been. Yeah, you know, you can't have that many

866
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.840
bad ideas and be a perfect brilliant person before you're like,

867
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:48.880
I guess I'm Audi.

868
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.840
She has to be released from her contract. Fred Freiberger

869
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.440
said that she just went to Hawaii.

870
00:49:55.360 --> 00:50:00.280
Oh God, Sleigh.

871
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.360
And then Dorothy Fontana was like, no, I asked to

872
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.280
be released from my contract. And then Bob Juman, who

873
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:10.440
was the supervising producer, was like, there's no Dorothy Fontana

874
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:16.320
always turned into assignments on time and really great. So

875
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.159
and all of that is from These Are the Voyages

876
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:22.519
season three by Mark Cushman and Susan Osborne.

877
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.519
Wait, so she did ask to be released, went to

878
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.719
Hawaiian was like cea suckers. Uh.

879
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.880
Probably followed the rules and was just like I need

880
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:36.880
a break. This was disappointing. Probably went to Hawaii yeah,

881
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.719
and then the assignment was given. The finishing assignment was

882
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.280
given to John Meredith Lucas, and then Dorothy Fontana asked

883
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.880
to be credited as Michael Richards Cardinal. She was embarrassed

884
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.159
both the name of her brothers.

885
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:59.119
No, that's fun, Oh Jesus, Okay, Well, I definitely lowers

886
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:00.440
it in my esteem.

887
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:00.960
Mm hmm.

888
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:02.960
It's it's messy, it's weird.

889
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:05.119
Their ideas.

890
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:11.320
There are ideas that could be explored and aren't. It

891
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:13.239
does feel like just like something dying.

892
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.119
What does what does it mean to love a franchise?

893
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.239
What does it mean to love these franchises?

894
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.360
Oh, Kenny, you have in a moment, because yeah.

895
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:31.239
I love I love Star Trek unconditionally. Will we'll be

896
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.840
watching it forever? Yeah, every single new entry, I'll check

897
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.559
it out unless it just gets so dire and so

898
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.239
feeling so cynical that I just check out. Okay, Star

899
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.280
Wars I kind of go up and down with a

900
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.280
lot of the new stuff I haven't seen, but and

901
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.199
or I'll be right there, and then I'll go see

902
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.320
Mandalorian it's in theaters, because I want to see a

903
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:58.679
Star Wars movie on the big screen. A Star Wars yeah.

904
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.199
What does it mean to love of a franchise?

905
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.800
And it I mean, I I don't want to just

906
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:10.440
go into the next segment on a bummer, but instead

907
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.639
just trying to bring it to a little bit more

908
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:18.440
of a philosophical notion because for me, what is interesting

909
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:23.840
in the commonality that I haven't encountered so far in

910
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.360
this podcast where we're almost at one hundred episodes, is

911
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.199
that both of these were like straight up bombers to you.

912
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:38.039
To me, yeah, art is art is subjective. For the

913
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:43.800
Star Trek episode, I was incredibly bored, and for the

914
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.280
Star Wars episode, I was just like, it felt like

915
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.119
Ewok's days. Wow, God, that's why.

916
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:55.679
Yeah, man, uh yeah, I don't. I certainly don't think

917
00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.800
it means having to like everything that is put out

918
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.079
by any means. I also don't think it means I mean,

919
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.679
obviously there's the core of the like, and you also

920
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.320
get to criticize the thing you love, Like there's no

921
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:15.639
rules on loving something, right. If it still brings you

922
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.920
joy and it's part of this thing that you love,

923
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:19.880
then you love it and that's the end of it.

924
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:21.920
And if you watch something and you don't like it,

925
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.920
and then that's fine. I guess my presumption with you

926
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.239
is like if it started going off in a direction

927
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:33.320
that was like bad bad, not like maybe like quality

928
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:35.559
bad might be one thing. If it's like, well, I'd

929
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.719
still have these pieces. But if like the thing like

930
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.320
Harry Potter is a really great example of like I

931
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.800
love I I was a I literally could have told

932
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:51.000
you every single thing about Harry Potter, and it literally was.

933
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.119
The franchise was so destroyed for me, like so fundamentally

934
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:59.880
irrevocably destroyed for me by joe Anne Turf Joe Anne

935
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.039
like that it was actually hard for me to even

936
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:03.760
like engage with it at all, even if there was

937
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:05.760
like no exchange of money kind of thing, right, because

938
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.280
it just hurts so badly. So I think if you know,

939
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.639
if Star Wars were to ever get to that point,

940
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.119
I'd have to have the same letting go experience probably

941
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.239
and it would kill me. But also, you know, it's

942
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:21.000
it's just, you know, there's things that I love. Really,

943
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.039
there's just things that I love. Nope, don't do it

944
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:25.119
done yet, night yet.

945
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:30.559
A long time ago start date. This week, I quoted

946
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.360
a boat, I dated a game, but none of them

947
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:41.320
could warp mine drive into high birth space. The best

948
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:48.760
of both worlds kept me in the second place. Captain

949
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.719
slog on a Halla Kron. I wanted a song. I

950
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.159
pend a song. Seventeen more minutes advise.

951
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.599
In super high def.

952
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:11.199
Aboard the USS Enterprise DT. Don't you take my walk

953
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:15.119
lighter and clip it? Don't you take my ritchard, buddy

954
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.880
and nip it? If you spill the tea, I'm gonna

955
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:19.519
sip it.

956
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:21.360
I starship it.

957
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:23.960
I can't believe he did that to me.

958
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.719
Yeah, that's pretty rude actually, But for.

959
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:29.440
What it's worth, all I was really gonna do is

960
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.920
just keep talking about things I liked about the Star

961
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.119
Wars episode to try to offset it.

962
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.079
Sure, no, it's fine.

963
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.360
We'll discover it through our favorite game.

964
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:42.199
I have a sneaky suspicion that you can talk about it. Yeah,

965
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.400
here in this segment and then also in the final rankings.

966
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.519
But it was probably good to cut me out before

967
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.039
I started talking about Lord of the Rings. So that's

968
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:51.480
not what this show is.

969
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.840
No, this week, it's all sexy.

970
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:56.280
Gung and.

971
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:04.119
Sure sure is, dude, there is. So yeah, we'll name

972
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:07.000
our favorite ships that fly to those guys slash vehicles

973
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.159
that you can ride a broom broom, and our favorite

974
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.400
yeay yea, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I have a few,

975
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.119
so I have some laying wait in case you steal

976
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:23.840
them from there.

977
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.920
Excellent, I will steal the first one, the bio hazard ship.

978
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.719
Yeah, the yaboo like police ship, the one the.

979
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:34.679
Nabuo police ship, which is such a wild design and

980
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.760
seems wildly impractical, and confirmed that it was wildly impractical

981
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.920
in the Felony Zoni whenever they were like, well, this

982
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.440
was a design, and this was a design that was

983
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.760
made for episode one, but we used it here and

984
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.360
then we had to they had to figure out where

985
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.400
the landing gears and like how they would get off

986
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.440
the ship. Yep, all of that is very fascinating. I

987
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.679
love Starship design. I think I would look at the

988
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.480
art Episode one book that came into my little widescreen

989
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.039
Collector's Edition vhs all the time, even though it was

990
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.960
like thirty forty pages if that, and I would just

991
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:11.960
keep flipping through them. They were so cool.

992
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.880
Anyways, it's it's a cool ship that was gonna be

993
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.039
mine if I had gone first, or you didn't say it.

994
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:20.679
I kept like desperately trying to look for what it

995
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:22.440
was called, and then it came up on the Felony

996
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:26.119
Zoni and I went, oh, okay, sick fabous like yellow

997
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:28.840
kind of looks like a bug. It's ridiculous, it's wild.

998
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.159
It's I like that they're in hazmat suits too.

999
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.400
I do. And also we get bomb squadroids or bomb

1000
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.440
squad clones.

1001
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:40.840
Yeah, they're like they have like orange on them. Here's

1002
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.320
the thing, here's the thing you can tell. And they

1003
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.199
confirmed us also in the Felony Zoni, the art and

1004
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.280
the capability is getting better and better. Yeah, Like it's

1005
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.400
like they even talk about like the ability now to

1006
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.519
do curly hair and what that means for like design

1007
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.039
and being able to add different character designs. Now, what

1008
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.760
we don't want them to do is poll a poll

1009
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.519
a prequels and like overload it. Just because you can

1010
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.800
doesn't mean you should write. Like sometimes that lack of

1011
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:14.360
like capability can sometimes lead to creative things like Okay, well,

1012
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:15.960
if I can't add a new character, what can I

1013
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:17.119
do with the characters that are here?

1014
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:17.440
Right?

1015
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.079
Because it's a lack of art capability, and that more

1016
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:22.880
they build it, the more they because they're talking about

1017
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.280
how they could introduce like seven new characters, right, so

1018
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.079
we don't want to overwhelm it. Yes, and you know

1019
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:30.840
they're a little on the edge here, but I do

1020
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.119
think it's like it's clearly like a joy that they

1021
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:38.079
can start to have these different types of Clone troopers

1022
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.159
that are yeah, that are the bomb Squad, that they

1023
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.360
could have this little rabbit droid, that they could have

1024
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:44.639
another Gungand we've.

1025
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.800
Definitely seen the rabbit droid before because I remember, yeah,

1026
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:51.920
because I remember it holding it a little hologram that

1027
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.760
was its little rabbit ears. I can't recall where it was.

1028
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.599
Why do I want to say like it was in

1029
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.320
the movie and I was holding a hologram for zero

1030
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.800
the hut. I could definitely be making. Oh maybe my memory.

1031
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.480
Is bad well minus too. But also because i've seen

1032
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:11.159
Clone oars, I can't I can't remember sometimes if it's

1033
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:15.239
because I've seen it already later or where. So, But

1034
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.559
I love that little rabbit droid so much I do.

1035
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:21.159
Is that your ship with a week?

1036
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.559
No let me you cut me off, so I have

1037
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.159
to have to tell you the things I like about this.

1038
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.159
I like it the art stuff. That's all my ship is.

1039
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:34.400
Actually I wrote down a couple I think we might

1040
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.800
have done them before, like I think the tick cow

1041
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.920
that's actually I did that for Attack of the Clones.

1042
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:43.320
Baby, check it out. Let's go to the ward count

1043
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:44.599
count count.

1044
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.480
Because I would have called it that they have real names.

1045
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:48.639
Count.

1046
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:50.559
You've definitely done a Naboo star fight.

1047
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.199
Yours was Dooku Solar Sale.

1048
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.519
Oh. I fucking love that solar Sale because it's either

1049
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.440
between the which is me being cheeky because I love

1050
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.320
those tech cows and I love that we ride them,

1051
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.679
or the act of being folded like a piece of

1052
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:15.840
paper through space. We'll give it to Starchek. We'll give

1053
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.320
it the act of being folded like a piece of

1054
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.000
paper through space is my ship.

1055
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:26.159
Folded through it. It's such a great wild effect that

1056
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.760
every single time it was on screen, I was like,

1057
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.320
I am not displeased by watching this again, I kind

1058
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.639
of little Yes, so interesting, and I'm just thinking about

1059
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:37.119
how they did that, and then thinking about the Tholian

1060
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.280
web animation, having to do that frame by frame by

1061
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:46.400
frame incredibly so fascinating, beautiful, like beautiful, beautiful stuff. It's yeah,

1062
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.599
making this stuff is so hard and you just have

1063
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:57.400
to They just had to be extremely creative because after

1064
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:01.719
effects didn't exist back then. Yeah, so it's so easy

1065
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:04.159
to do that kind of effect. Now. Back then they

1066
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:10.639
would have to specifically shoot her unprobably a blue screen

1067
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.639
cut that out, which means that you had to optically

1068
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:19.559
remove the blue place that on a thing, the drawn

1069
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.360
outline over it, then shift the perspective somehow, and then

1070
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.800
shrink the line, which is going to require frame by

1071
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:31.159
frame animation so hard. That's so hard for a thing

1072
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:34.039
that lasts like three seconds.

1073
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.800
Right, Yeah, that's wild.

1074
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.280
So and that's why that's Aspen's ship of the Week, and.

1075
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.559
That's why that's my ship of the week. What's your

1076
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:43.840
romantic ship?

1077
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.000
Doctor Vindy and the Rabbit droiden Oh.

1078
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:48.519
Okay, okay, that you didn't take mine?

1079
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:57.320
Yeah, you know, because Doctor Vindy entrusts the bomb to

1080
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:02.360
Rabbit Druiden, and Rabbit Droid takes that bomb and hides

1081
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.880
hides with with his little Tommy because because he's got

1082
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:10.519
a little tummy, got a little pummy and he's hiding

1083
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.800
it or she or they who knows what is gender?

1084
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:24.039
The three the three genders our Boss, girl Boss, Sport

1085
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:26.199
and Sport Great.

1086
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.239
And little tom and little Bunny Bunny.

1087
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.800
Tummy boy, boy Boss, I'm a.

1088
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:34.199
Boy boss, a girl boss, a sport.

1089
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:42.480
Yeah, boy by sligh. But you know that doctor Bendy

1090
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:44.519
because he's extremely expressive person.

1091
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.840
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.

1092
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.360
And you know that rabbit Droid is fully functional and

1093
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:55.440
multiple techniques and probably using that. You don't like this,

1094
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:01.880
you don't like this at all. It's totally consensual. And

1095
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.800
you know that rabbit Droid loves Doctor Vindy. You know,

1096
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.360
does I think he does. I think rabbit Droid loves

1097
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:13.519
Doctor Vendy.

1098
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:16.440
I'm sure he does.

1099
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:17.800
He like.

1100
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:23.920
Lord Horny, happy Horny months.

1101
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:34.440
Jesus, what's.

1102
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:39.480
Okay? Well, give me a second. I do have one,

1103
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:41.719
but I only see if there's anything better in Star Trek.

1104
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:47.079
I am gonna go.

1105
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:50.079
I'm gonna go. Doctor Vindy and his Blue Shadow virus.

1106
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:54.559
It's purely it's it's a it's not it's a I

1107
01:03:54.800 --> 01:04:01.559
gotta tell you. His obsession, his obsession with virus.

1108
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.519
It's a perfect organism is like the alien from the

1109
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:04.679
movie Alien.

1110
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.599
Exactly like he has uh he has a true love

1111
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.599
for it. The fact that he has brought it back

1112
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.199
to life because he is creating life. He is like

1113
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.400
not only has he brought it back but he has

1114
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:22.639
also transmuted it it's properties and now it has gone

1115
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:26.440
from waterborne to airborne. He loves it.

1116
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.880
He literally says, every little bacteria just a little kiss.

1117
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.199
But he even says this thing that has like it

1118
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:38.239
has such like strong, like toxic relationship, like great fanfic

1119
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:43.400
vibes where he's just like dogs. It's like like now

1120
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.360
we are all going to die, and it has a

1121
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:50.760
real like that like terrible relationship. We're like like what

1122
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.239
if we all died to get you know, like Romeo

1123
01:04:54.280 --> 01:05:00.920
and Juliet Ye Burbos. It's it's it's a lot. It's

1124
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:08.360
a lot. Also, I fucking loved that dude. He's absurd, Kenny,

1125
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:09.960
He's absurd.

1126
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.360
And it's great. It's performance. It's just a lot.

1127
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:13.719
It's a lot.

1128
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.119
In an episode that already has a lot.

1129
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:19.039
And I've just got sensorly overloaded.

1130
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:21.199
I got sensorily overloaded.

1131
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.559
Like C three Po at the beginning, who you know,

1132
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.159
when they're like trying to like question that droid and

1133
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.400
they're like opening up his droid head with like a

1134
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.119
bone saw, but it's a droid saw and C three

1135
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:33.320
Po basically reacts to it as if it were like

1136
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:35.480
a dead, but like if it were a human dead body,

1137
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:37.480
and it's like I can't handle this, can I like

1138
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.159
turn myself off? And Padme's like, no, I need you,

1139
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.960
And I was just like, uh oh, here we are

1140
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:48.840
again with the like complicated droid uh droid rights. Shit.

1141
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.960
If I ever get my skull, I saw it open.

1142
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:54.719
I want you to be there so you can talk

1143
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:56.000
to the doctor for me.

1144
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:59.360
Okay, so I can be like, I'm sorry, I'm getting overloaded, sincerely,

1145
01:05:59.400 --> 01:05:59.920
so I gotta go.

1146
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.400
I don't worry about it. He always talks about magic

1147
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.280
Mike xxl this much. It's just it's not a part

1148
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:10.840
of the brain that you're touching. He is just he

1149
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:13.320
must have seen it in like another TV or something.

1150
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:14.119
Right.

1151
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:16.960
Oh God, that's just his segue thing he likes to do.

1152
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:17.719
Don't worry about it.

1153
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.679
Well, speaking of segues, art is a binary aspen.

1154
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.800
Okay, is it?

1155
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.599
It is? Absolutely? I know that. Earlier I was talking

1156
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.199
about how art is subjective, and I truly do want

1157
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.440
to preserve the fact that the fundamental notion that I

1158
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:35.800
think that art is objective and you're allowed to love

1159
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.719
these episodes. But no, I'm lying, art is objective. There's

1160
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.079
a good and there's a bad. There is nothing in between,

1161
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.360
and so too can there only be one winner? For

1162
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.280
this week, we rank that which survives from Star Trek

1163
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:53.039
the Original series season three versus Blue Shadow Virus from

1164
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.480
Star Wars the Clone Wars season one. I think we

1165
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.880
should start with Blue Shadow Virus as when what are

1166
01:06:58.880 --> 01:06:59.519
you going to give.

1167
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:05.800
This interesting six point three?

1168
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:07.400
Six point three?

1169
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:09.119
Huh?

1170
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.079
I did cut you off with the segway too, I

1171
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.480
starship it. Do you have anything to say about this episode?

1172
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:17.400
Thank you so much for asking me.

1173
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.360
I want to give you the space as an ally right, Yes,

1174
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:21.960
you want.

1175
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:28.679
To you want to lift up nonsense men's voice a lot.

1176
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:32.280
There's a lot of things happening in the episode, and

1177
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:36.159
the stakes are extremely high. There's a lot that is

1178
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:40.760
visually compelling in a way that I think is very interesting.

1179
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:42.920
There's a lot of stuff going on, and on reflection,

1180
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.679
maybe a little too many things, but it's pretty action packed.

1181
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:52.039
I think the threat is truly a threat. It like

1182
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:55.840
maybe skews toward Goofy having both jar Jar and this

1183
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.599
wild doctor. But I think here's something I do want

1184
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:04.760
to just point out that the Anakin padme anytime there's

1185
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.639
like an opportunity to sort of see the Anakin Padme

1186
01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.920
relationship is and like what kind of things are going

1187
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.719
on there? I think is interesting, Like he literally lets

1188
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:20.119
this doctor go so he can save Padme. He just does,

1189
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:25.279
and that is so truly contrary. Like if Obi Wan

1190
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.199
had been there, he'd be like been like, what the

1191
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:31.800
fuck did you just do? And it's it almost like

1192
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:34.119
takes it beyond the idea of not attachment, Like he

1193
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.119
literally was like, you know, obviously they got the guy,

1194
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.600
but like he took a risk and by literally being

1195
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.680
like I could sacrifice everyone for this person. And I

1196
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.880
think moments like that are what actually build up to

1197
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:55.399
an interesting Darth Vader's story. And he loves her desperately

1198
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.319
and that's always a good thing, right, Like love is

1199
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.239
so so desperate. You can see it in moments like this,

1200
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:02.880
and you can see it when it gets like controlling

1201
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.880
in other moments and like too fearful or like or

1202
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:10.359
he just truly is so adoring these little moments, And

1203
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:14.479
I just think that dynamic is really fascinating that I

1204
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.800
think is worth noting. I think it's worth noting, like

1205
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:21.600
Ahsoka's capability growing, that's cool character.

1206
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.640
Work doing lots of jumping and chopping.

1207
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:27.319
Yeah, the jumping and chopping was like wildly dynamic. It

1208
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.199
was like the action was so much like I was,

1209
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.439
I was actively like holding my head like I was

1210
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.920
just like, yeah, yeah, but you're right. I mean, it's

1211
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.640
not a great episode. I don't think it's a bad episode.

1212
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:41.600
So thus I'm sticking it in the six point three range.

1213
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.640
Groovy, I'm going to give this episode three point five okay,

1214
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:51.159
And even then it still feels kind of high. I mean,

1215
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:54.760
there there are some good aspects to this episode, specifically

1216
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:57.960
the Anakin and pat my stuff, but like I feel

1217
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:01.079
like Anakin, oh, we want being there. Else the possibility

1218
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:07.039
of showing Padme solving an adventure, It's true. And then

1219
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:16.319
what is there is wrecked by shrill comedy. I it is.

1220
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:20.560
It is so atonal, It is so rough to watch.

1221
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:25.880
This episode is just a lot and I enjoy a

1222
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.800
maximalism but not like this. And then even then I

1223
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:34.319
felt like the action words perfunctory and not really motivated

1224
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.520
by any information that we know about these characters, and

1225
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:42.399
it wasn't really based in character relationships. It was just

1226
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.800
jeopardy because we have to have some jeopardy. I would

1227
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.119
not be surprised if George Lucas was like, I want

1228
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:51.039
to do a virus episode. But they didn't talk about

1229
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:53.079
that in the Polonies any He.

1230
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:55.199
Didn't talk about if it was George. But they did

1231
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:57.840
talk about the idea that it did have origins and

1232
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.680
other like extended universe stuff and in books that it

1233
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:05.479
had been done yeah, and that kind of thinking, how

1234
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:08.520
could this be done? So there's that.

1235
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:14.760
Yeah, yep, yeah, Okay, that's blue shallow virus. Okay, all right, Uh,

1236
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.800
what do you give that which survives? Aspen?

1237
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:25.279
Again, it's just like neither good nor bad to me,

1238
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.279
that's a pretty like solid five.

1239
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.840
All right? Anything else to say about that which survives?

1240
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:36.840
I think I talked about it a lot. I'm a

1241
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:41.640
little I remained slightly bewildered by my like gentle fondness

1242
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:43.560
for it, which is why it's not getting any lower

1243
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.640
than that despite it, Like, oh but you know what,

1244
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:50.680
now that I'm remembering the Doc Fontana stuff, that actually

1245
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:53.399
leads me to a slight Spie ranking. But I'm gonna

1246
01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.640
keep it five because I don't want to make it sure. Yeah,

1247
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.359
I love her so much, but I can't just always

1248
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:03.439
I can't let star Trek be the only thing I

1249
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:07.079
ever SPI rank. No, I'm not spight ranks st So

1250
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:08.560
I feel like I need to be fair.

1251
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:12.680
No, this would be fair. Come we'll drop in to a.

1252
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:16.319
Four point five for her for her it bumce me

1253
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:17.239
out so much.

1254
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:20.640
I'm going to rake this point two us christ.

1255
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:22.600
Oh, we didn't even talk about the fact that there

1256
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:23.640
is brown face in it.

1257
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:29.760
There is a total brown face. It makes no sense.

1258
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.720
It makes no sense because it's definitely a choice where

1259
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:37.600
they're like, let's be multicultural, and so they have Lieutenant Rata.

1260
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:39.560
Then why not put an actual Indian?

1261
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.840
Why not put an actual Indian person there? I want to.

1262
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:45.119
Understand, I genuinely, because you know, I'm watching it in

1263
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:48.079
like high deaf shit. I'm like, what did they do

1264
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.000
to her face? Like it? Because it almost looks like

1265
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:53.479
if you were to see someone who was like in

1266
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.439
a black and white old movie, like what their makeup

1267
01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.000
would look like for it to look right on screen

1268
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.199
like a genuinely like the way the shadows are. I

1269
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:02.319
was like, what the fuck's wrong?

1270
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:02.920
And I was like it.

1271
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.760
I was like, she's a giant pimple, and then I

1272
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:09.680
realized she's Indian and I was like, you motherfuckers. I

1273
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.840
looked at the actress and she's Jewish and like but like.

1274
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.760
And then not only that, but has also been in

1275
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.039
brown face in another stark dark episode, the Paradise Syndrome.

1276
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.279
Oh my god, I might also bring it down, like

1277
01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:24.920
because that actually felt really bad. That might bring down

1278
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.159
a four. There's a lot going there's a lot going

1279
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:28.800
against it.

1280
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.600
But I'll put I'll say that, you put it as

1281
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:30.920
a four.

1282
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.439
Okay, fine, just for I forgot about that.

1283
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:35.960
I literally went, oh no.

1284
01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:42.520
Yeah, yeah, it's it is so bizarre because they're clearly

1285
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.399
doing it because Enterprise is Starship Earth.

1286
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:54.680
But like, why no, no, no one, no one noticed,

1287
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.560
no one, no one.

1288
01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:59.760
Right, no one, like, no one thought about it.

1289
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.079
No one thought about it, right, could if you want

1290
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.960
to do that, there couldn't have been one actress of

1291
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:12.079
Indian descent that could have been on the set. Can

1292
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:14.119
you fucking imagine? Can you imagine?

1293
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:18.680
They are in Los Angeles, California.

1294
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:19.640
The City of dreams.

1295
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:20.479
The city of dreams.

1296
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.920
This is one role, one role, one.

1297
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:28.000
Single role, and there are no South Asian.

1298
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:30.720
Women anywhere, not one, not one.

1299
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:33.319
Fuck me?

1300
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:38.039
You know, yeah, that is wild. Bus I thought about

1301
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:42.800
that abysmal and then also this episode's mid as hell. Okay,

1302
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:47.279
primarily I'm ranking point two because the racism.

1303
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:51.039
Okay, yeah, it's mad, but then it's dropped down for

1304
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:53.680
the racism and the way that it hurt my girl.

1305
01:14:54.319 --> 01:15:00.479
Which means I mean I'm doing it. I'm doing a

1306
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:02.439
lot of bitter rankings. Well, I got a spite ranking

1307
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:05.479
for Star Trek and a bitter ranking for Blue Shadow Virus,

1308
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:10.520
which means for Star Treks two point one versus Star

1309
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:15.920
Wars Blue Shadow Virus with a robust four point nine. Aspen, Yeah,

1310
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:20.439
sit high in that chair because Star Wars wins the week.

1311
01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:26.680
Damn, this chair does go up. Okay, adjust it.

1312
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.960
And if you want to see Aspen raise their chair,

1313
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:33.359
you could go over to YouTube dot com slash at

1314
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.880
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1315
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:38.239
Aspen raise that chair.

1316
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:42.880
Okay, we'd have to go back down. I have to

1317
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:51.079
come back down. Oh God, oh God, Okay, okay, all right.

1318
01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:55.880
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1319
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:58.520
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1320
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.439
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1321
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:05.359
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1322
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.079
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1323
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.680
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1324
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:12.960
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1325
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1327
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1328
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t Partner, who composed our I starship At theme song.

1329
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:32.239
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1330
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:34.159
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1331
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.840
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1332
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:40.199
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1333
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1334
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:46.880
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1335
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:50.119
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1336
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:54.039
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1337
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.720
Let's be frank, We would love to see you for

1338
01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:57.239
our ego.

1339
01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:00.000
Yeah, oh god, then that means you have to be nice.

1340
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:08.199
Oh yikes, so yeah, that'd be nice.

1341
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:11.680
I love you dearly, thank you for doing this podcast.

1342
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:12.039
With me.

1343
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:15.760
You do you still like me? You love me?

1344
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:16.439
Yeah?

1345
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:18.079
Man, I'm not actually mad at you.

1346
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.279
I'm not mad at you an audience, we're not mad

1347
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:24.239
at you either. We love you very much. Thank you

1348
01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:27.039
so much for listening. May the Force be with you

1349
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.359
and went long and prospering.

1350
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:49.000
Sexy Gungan