Blue Shadow Virus vs. That Which Survives

0:27 Welcome to the Track Wars podcast, the one podcast that dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which is better Star Wars or Star Trek, by going through both franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent with me as per always. Is aspin Webster Star Wars contingent, and today that way Kenny, By the way. Why couldn't I say it that way? You're not really chronological order, chronological order, chronological order. Look, clearly you are trying to beat me down, But no, I'm not gonna lay down and die. I will. I will beat this virus and be the one which survives Jesus Christ. Indeed.

1:18 Okay, sometimes I'm like, hmm, did I did I do a good thing by creating a seg boy? The answer is yes. The answer is absolutely yes. Speaking of absolutely yes, we are definitely going to be talking about these episodes from Star Trek the original series, season three, that which survives versus Star Wars, the Clone Wars Season one, Blue Shadow Virus. I just had one of those moments where you realize what you're doing. We have almost done one hundred episodes of talking about Star Trek versus Star Wars. Yea yea yes yes yes yes yes, yes yes yes. And I think at worst we're gonna have some opinions about these episodes. What do you think.

2:04 I think at best it might have been a little like, well, dang, didn't hey that guess which one? Oh? Like almost like, I mean yeah, kind of into it, sort of vibes, you. Know, like pretty pretty cool, pretty pretty okay, pretty okay? But did you not feel this way? Wait? Did you not like the Okay? Wait? Did you not like these episodes? Air? January twenty fourth, nineteen sixty nine. Story by Michael Richards. Huh interesting, that's a weird name. Teleplay by John Meredith Lucas, directed by Herb Wallerstein, a notorious director that hopped in on the Thillia Webb. From Judy Crosby in her syndicated TV Scout column, the synopsis goes the scenic special effects once again take over on Star Trek, and they make up for an endless confusion. In the script, a landing party from the Enterprise investigates a strange planet that seems to have been created in a nightmare. The only inhabitant is a lovely and dangerous girl who is guarding her homeland while her people return from a long journey. The Merriweather is the Deadly Lady, the Catwoman, the Catwoman herself, the two Batman villains in the past four weeks for it.

3:27 That's right, that's right. Both bring in their own special. Jazz and both extremely attract attractive. Jesus Christ. Oh yeah, this is actually one of the first times that I was like, man, they really nailed that makeup and that color palette. She looks great in that pink Oh. Are you talking about her? By lighting eyeshadow? Yeah, it's fantastic. Everyone should just wear blue and pink slash purplely kind of red. Everyone. You should be us blue and pink. Excuse me, Look at my room. Look at my room. I love it. I love it. Look at my room. No, yeah, you are beautifully lit. And by lighting, it's not exactly by yeah, it's a little, it's a little big, but you know what, your eyeshadow is making up for it.

4:16 So thank you, and you can see my eyeshadow YouTube dot com, slash at trek Wars pod subscribe over there. Would you care to read the synopsis for Star Wars The Clone. Wars, Yeah Stars the Clone Wars the Blue Shadow Virus, released February thirteenth, two thousand and nine. I think I'm sleepy, I like, and then. The lid it's eight thirty where you are? I don't know, man, I'm just a little sleeping boy. You know. I woke up this morning. Wait. Sorry, Before I read this, I was definitely like, I went to sleep at a normal time last night, like early even. I woke up at like a normal time, and I went no, no, no, no, and I went back to So I'm gonna read this. Oh wait, first I'm gonna say, wait, why did you say what was the name that you said?

5:10 That name's weird on Star Trek Michael Richards. Why did you say that? We'll get into it? Okay, okay, Well, in this case, the director of the episode of Gean Carlo Volpe. That's very Italian, pretty normal name to me, all right. And then on this one specifically, it's written by Craig Titley and Jin Klein did the script? So fact, what was it? Released February thirteenth, two thousand and nine. Hell, evil scientist doctor Nuvo Vindi is recreating the dreaded Blue Shadow virus in his secret underground lab on Naboo when he captures Senator Senator Amidala and jar Jar Binks Anakin and Obi Wan Mount a rescue operation and a soaka and Rex and a bomb squad and also that cool Gungan lady whose name was.

6:07 Peppy pe Peppy Bell. She had her ears back in a sorry we'll get into it, but they in her character design of like making a lady youngin they uh you remember from space jam when they did Lola Bunny and they turned bugs bunny Like they were like, how do we make a hot bunny? And they like make it so that like she can like pull her ears back like like a ponytail. Yeah, that's what happens here. Well. Dave Filoni famously says. Are you gonna play sexy Gung? He also says, I love I love a hat so freely.

6:51 He's so funny, so funny that I'd like a character with a hat. I had no idea that Dave Filoni likes hats. It's not he is never once put a character in a hat or helmet. No, it's his Helmets. Star Wars is helmets Sexy Young. No, he did say that that's a sound. Clip horrifying straight up are just. Like sexy young. Lady, sexy gungin. Lady, uh by Pebo.

7:33 Before we move on some correspondence. Oh my god, I know right, Oh my god. People want to talk to us. They want to say hello. Uh from Austin Aaron cue happy hhm? What is Jim hot to go. Hot hot happy hot horn to. You happy happy Holla, Graham holocron. Months I personally asked me, I'm gonna go with happy hard. I feel really worried about not knowing this HHM.

8:13 Certainly hello, perceptive podcast People's Kenny. We are starting to watch Brooklyn nine nine in my household. Hey, that's wonderful. I'm really impressed by the joke structures, an ensemble building, less impressed by the season one sexism. How do you think the show holds up after eleven years? Do you think Star Trek ages quicker or slower than comedy? Comedy definitely ages faster than Star Trek. Star Trek is dealing with themes questions seem basic to human existence. But also I'm completely unbiased because Star Trek has existed for me since before I even had memories, So I'm like, yeah, this just looks like, now, what are you talking about?

8:58 Oh yeah, I think comedy shifts quickly. I think comedy it as we become more aware of what we are punching down or punching up to, and we are thinking kind of more holistically. Yeah, comedy is gonna shift and change. I was just thinking about that. So I was like, when's last time I watched Brooklyn nine nine? And I don't think it was. I didn't watch it as it was coming out. It was only a few years ago, and I don't recall feeling particularly frustrated more probably just like you know, which is a very different experience, and like say watching Friends and being like I can't get past I cannot watch this show anymore, Like I just cannot even watch it. But then I think about like a Blazing Saddles, which I actually think has certain jokes that are now but like as a general movie, like Is truly still works it every single way because it is coming from very much the perspective it is. It is centered and focused on the story of a marginalized person and someone who is in full support of that black man and is treated with a kind of kindness that I think is and it's yeah, so like the jokes of like the engagement of these differences are of like race and what that looks like. And the bad guys are the shitty racist guys, these white guys anyway.

10:30 You know, I think I think about blazing sad as a lot because people use that as a little like we could never make that this and I'm just like you shut up, shut up, like you're good and you actually you should honestly, like these are the stories, right, It's more it will not more racist, It's just it is it is more dangerous to actually a color blind way like anyway, because we are a dressing true systemic injustice. Speaking of addressing things. Uh huh huh. I am one hundred and fifty hours into Balder's Gate three. That sounds like a nightmare. Oh my god? Wait or wait is this still Aaron? Yeah? This is still Aaron? Oh god, incredible. That sounds like a nightmare.

11:10 No, it's not. Why would you play a game for one hundred and fifty hours? I would if I could. I've actually, I've actually gotten to the point in Balder's Gate where it used to be because I just wasn't a video game player, so I was like, Oh, I've been sitting here too long. I'm too stressed out now. I'm like, if it weren't midnight, I would keep playing this game. I would keep playing it forever. Well, Aaron says as a big D and d NERD, I am enthralled by the seeing combat and gameplay translated so well, and disappointed by not being able to say whatever I want during the character interactions, I out, who's your main crew? I'm Lazel shirt Will and a monk. Who's your main ship? Lazel is Basil?

11:52 What did you just names? Did you just I don't know as when I'm just reading the question is can I haven't played Bader's Game three, and I'm never going to because I think video games for dorks. Oh my gosh. Okay, wait, wait wait, I'm gonna actually read the email. Las Ll shadow Heart Will and a monk is what he said? Okay, what's your name? Shadow Heart? He just wrote s Hart Laisel, shadow Heart Will and he is a monk. That I'm going to be the one that's reading the email. Is okay, I can get it.

12:33 Lasil shirt Will and a. Monk Laceel Lazel Fasil. Oh yeah, so, oh, who's my main ship, so he means my ship. Oh my god, it's it's my character in shadow Heart. That's who my ship is, my character. So I really love D twenty Dimension twenty on Dropout Television. And there's a character that zach O Yama plays in Fantasy High called Gorgug, and Gorgug is a half orc barbarian, and I think, yeah, I think he's Yeah, he's a barbarian, that's what. So yeah, anyway, and there's like a funny bit where there's like a high elf who's another character's grandfather who just cannot say his name and calls him georg. So my character is a half ork, half work barred though, which is fun because we love a giant hole king half orc who also plays a little loot and has really a high charisma.

13:39 And their name is Georgage, so that's fine. And I tried so hard to woo shadow Heart and I succeeded. I succeeded. She's a sticky, steaky get that I really was into her. Also, Carlac is a great character because she's basically just like a toppy domy like sort of like lesbian type of vibe and you feel like you want to see her with like a cigar she rules. Speaking of Toppy Austin, Aaron explains what HHM means to us two white people. Fucking god, what assholes.

14:23 Which star franchise do you think has done a better job representing Hispanic folks? Easy question? And or. Yeah, I think if we're talking franchise, either Star Wars or Star Trek. Well, let's see. It's it's Star Wars because you have. Because there's and broke one and and. I think, uh, Latin X representation of Star Trek is in pretty darn poor. I think you've got Rios and Picard, which, to be. Fair, yeah, I think about. The worst character in Star Trek. And you also have I know she's she's like, what's the character.

15:06 From a voyagerres? Yeah, Torres blanataurres. That show Voyager seems more interested in terrogating her kling on side. Her kling on side. But I mean from if I am not Latine like, but I you know, I do wonder if there is a be curious what her perspective is like, if there's like a parallel there of like this stereotype of like Latino women being like loud or kind of like in your face, Like it's a general sort of like perspective of women of color to write that they're kind of put this way like fiery, and I wonder if there could be any relationship between like what does it look like to be someone who's like perceived this way in the world. And that's really valuable obviously, like Robert Belchan is playing an indigenous person and he's not Indigenous, but he himself I think is Hispanic. But yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you that, like if I were to like kind of sore through them all the very existence of and or and you know when we talk to our friends. I remember talking to Aaron Selinas once and he, you know, we were like, we're not really big Rogue one fans. Oh, I don't know if you were there. I remember talking to er Selinas about no.

16:24 I mean, I've had this conversation with Aaron Selinus as well of. Like it's like we're not we're not like Rogue one fans, and he's just like, listen, I don't care. My dad watched that movie and was like, there we are on screen. So and now, yeah, ann Selinas gets to have the best Star Wars period with and or yeah for sure. Well, I mean, of course subjective. Yeah, yeah, what do you. Want from me? Uh, apologies for thinking HHM and the perspective of it must do with a star War star trek and as opposed to it just being a thing that is true. This is the last day that we're recording, this last day of Hispanic Herritage month.

17:07 Uh. Personally, like a good white person, I blame Austin Aaron for not educating us exactly. It was your responsibility as the Latino man, the Hispanic man. So thank you so much. Thank you, Austin Aaron. Please keep those emails coming in and if you two want to send an email, send it in to Trek warspod at gmail dot com. Incredible. Also, by the way, I didn't I didn't answer this. I'm playing it with Joel. I'm playing it. So the main crew is my character Georgiage, his character, my partner. Joel Sexy Gung and. His character who yeah, is like a half leeing fighter I think Carlac usually in Shadow Heart usually. So anyway, I'm done. I'm done. That was a long conversation. I enjoyed it. Yeah, it's great. I guess we should talk about the episodes.

18:07 Should we absolutely. Or should I just go ton't just sleep and take a nap? Negative? Because we're we're this far in research. We've done the work. Now let's try and answer the most important question fandom. Which is better Star Wars star Trek talking about these two episodes. First impressions, I I liked the stars. Both of these episodes suck. No, they don't, Yes, they do. The Clone they are bad. The Clone Wars episode is not bad. It's real bad. It's not bad. It's real bad. It's not bad. It's bad. It's not bad. It's disastrous. It's not it's bad. Blue Shadow virus is bad.

18:48 What are you talking about? What are you talking about? The George are antics? Okay? Once? Okay, it's charming, it's refreshing, Okay, cool, great, Second on the second happens once. We had three episodes with jar Jar and I hope that all of those balloons carry over. You can see that over the YouTube YouTube dot Wars. We've had three episodes with jargear Banks. I'm fine with. It, and it is infuriating because in the other two episodes he was kind of competent. No, not here, Yeah, abhorrent.

19:36 Well, he's the one that leads them to the place where it's being developed. Sure, great, wonderful, but by accident, because he's hungry for a bug, he. Still didn't It's accidental. Competency is his bag. Why couldn't he just have not engaged in charge our antics and instead just have been a competent character's charge. Oh, he is a at this. In episode two, he does not engage in antics, even though he's barely there. And well, I guess he engages in the ultimate antics by giving Palpatine emergency powers. But at least he doesn't knock down bookshelves. That's what happens when he is competent. He fucks up. We fuck competent. He's incompetent, he does a great job, as it happens when you try to make him who he is not.

20:21 And then Aspen, look, we've we've talked about the problematic racial dynamics of Judge oar Binks as well as so many other Star Wars podcasts and just culture in general. Jar Jar Binks is an offensive character. Okay, you know he's an offensive character. And then you bring in Peppy Boh we yeah, they carry over the same cadence charge our binks speaks. Meanwhile, we have demonstrations of other Gungans that don't participate in the minstrel dialogue that is given to charge our banks, and it is it is abhorrent. I don't think that's true. I think they all have the same they all have the same speech patterns.

21:05 They have the same but in that same screechy timber. Well, they're like where she's a lady, She's not just. A late sexy gung And. I think at this point I have to tell you, I am okay with jar Jar Beings just getting to be a character. You're a nightmare. I I my dude, I am like mostly I'm sort of just like neutral on his existence. And likely what's happening is is they keep this is like what we were talking about with Patrick, that they keep kind of doing padmea disservice by pairing her with him constantly, because it's like so it means it's like, we know when you're doing you're doing an improv show and you want to kind of be a little bivol, but like you can't because someone's being too goofy. So you're like, I guess I gotta beat a grounded one in this, which is like, Okay, you got a play. You gotta do your part and be a good player. But like could have been fun to goof around a little bit. But I guess I'm serious now, yes, And like that's what Padme has to be because he's so goofy, and so she doesn't get to have as much fun maybe and be a little bit warm, Like she gets to mostly just be like adventure girl.

22:21 Why not let jarj R. Be a person? Why? Why not? Why why not just let Jargra be a person? He has for what it's worth, he has, Like he does the dumb dumb thing with the bug in this, that's the last thing he does in this that is dumb dumb. He's fairly competent the rest of the time. I actually had a little bit of a moment where I was like, oh, no, is he gonna like fuck something up so bad He's gonna like put up a bomb. And I was like, no, they're actually taking it seriously, basically, what just the only thing that happens is like he, by virtue of his nose is able to find a rabbit droid and that's kind of it. And mostly he's just like there to be there. There's a funny bit with Peppi Bore. She like hits them with a stick.

23:03 And you know what, I like physical comedy. That's great. I love physical comedy too. Yeah. I think they're they're kind of showing a foil also of like her being very capable versus his little goofness. I'm just glad that they weren't like Nissa and Love or something stupid like that. Because she is pink, because of course. She is sexy gung and make no mistake, her ears are pulled back in a ponytail, she's wearing a hat, and she is a sexy gung. I don't hate her. She's like clearly wants to help. She watches all of her tick, her tick cows die and it's devastating, and she just wants to help and she's very capable.

23:43 It's bad. It's a bad episode. No, there is part of the episode where I was genuinely like, oh no, oh no, I'm so worried. That's because that's because you feel with the full spectrum of the emotions that are given to you. I'm just I've thrown four TVs out of my window because I it is this This episode was a pain to watch so hard. I'm so surprised. It's not like it's as good as any of the others, but it for certain is not bad. It's bad. It's okay. So you didn't like Georgie or what else? Didn't you like Peppy Bow? Okay? Incredible? Doctor VINDI was a lot. I loved him so much.

24:24 That's great. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sure. Whose guy not that? I'm also just basle in Austin Powers. And the way Michael Yorke from Cabaret and Logan from Logan's Run he turns thirty and has to do Carousel. The way that he plays that part is genuinely like the most unhinged former Nazi, and I like, I'm into. It as just like it's a it's a freaking virus. That's boring. It's not every every single are you kidding me? Every single time that vile? Almost it doesn't. Why don't did Jedi just use the force to grab every sample and just put it in their little belt?

25:06 That's fair? It was all yeah, you should have done it. You're right, You're right. That would have been that would have been an easy They could have just taken a stupid little briefcase of files. But but but the bombs, the use the force to do what do what with them? Where it's airborne. The whole point is he turned the virus from waterborne into airborne. They can dig some holes. Then it gets into the water system. Dig the holes far away. Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, No, it's an airborne virus. Do you remember?

25:48 Do you remember when we had to deal with an airborne virus? And yeah, it was a nightmare. It's scary. Maybe I watched it with that thought. I'm just like, imagine, it's just like a whole bunch of like COVID that could kill you immediately. It was like right there about to get out and kill everybody. On that boo. Unless you think that my fury is just relegated to a blue shadow virus, so too do I do? I hold that which survives and contempt as being Yeah, a boring, sleepy episode that I want to talk mystery box. I want to talk mystery box. We can knock it off. I have to tell you something. I also didn't hate it. What is wrong with you? You know what it reminded me of. I think I'm giving it a little too much credit, because it really did, because it reminded me of do you remember the DS nine episode the sound of her voice?

26:37 Yes, a great app. An extraordinary episode of television that this is nowhere near, but like kind of reminded me of it, and then I got sad and it made me fonder of this episode. Interesting, fascinating, wonderful. I don't think that those two things are connected in the slightest very much were in my mind. You're a fan of mysteries. I love them. You are in the Jessica f at your club. God, we're in season five. It's so good. But you just love mysteries in general, murder mysteries, mysteries, mysteries. You hate them? I do, yes, even though I do own Knives out in four K and it's it's it's wonderful because it steals its structure for Colombo, which makes me like, as soon as I watched that, I was just like, what is the new tension? And just from a narrative perspective, as I was fascinated by it, and then turns out he stole it from Columbu and I was like, genius, Ryan Johnson, is God steal it?

27:36 Or you know, adapt to borrow from your heroes. Yeah, it's not like he's stealing the character of Colombo. I mean, until poker Face, you didn't steal it. But every time she didn't come into a room, she's just like, you know what. And one more thing. It was, so this episode is bad, okay, okay, And it uses mysteries to. Add the illusion of interest as opposed to what was initially planned, which was it's frustrating whenever you read what was initially planned, which was kind of like it wasn't great, but it was better than I think what we got because instead of just one lady walking up to walking up to the boys on the planet and touching them and making their selves explode, which, to be fair, if lee Meriweather walked up to me and was just like, I am Fraide.

28:47 I have to touch you, I'd. Be like me, is it me? Is it me you're looking for? So it wasn't just one woman. Yes, it was the planet and there was not one central enemy. It was the planet kind of trying to force the Enterprise crew back onto the ship and being it was it was a roundabout way of commenting on property of environmental Oh. Okay, if it were if it were like the environment being like the fuck off me, a. Little bit of that like the happening as well? Should we should we talk about the happening?

29:28 Should we? Brand? Is the Happening podcast. Just the happening over and over and over again? Boy, every single episode we just rewatched the happening. We could split it into like a minute by minute podcast where we talk about the happening one minute at a time. No only all or nothing, Well. We would be talking about all of it. We were just covering each minute and then whenever we finish it, those minutes start again. Okay, I see you're finding a way to okay, but I'm thinking an hour and a half every week. Though. There is the Death Bible, uh, the Paul Blart Malkop podcast that releases one episode that the macelroy brothers do every Thanksgiving. That's fun, it's pretty fun, unlike this episode.

30:09 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So private property mm hmm, private property and capitalism. Yeah, okay, And there was not one central enemy. It was kind of the planet rebelling, okay, But eventually it got boiled down to this one lady because they wanted a personification of the thing, a woman, a woman woman, and I think it just doesn't work m hm at all. And then the stuff on board the ship, it's not going if you're like we said last episode, if you're bothering not to talk about themes.

30:54 Then be interesting at least then be interesting. So talk to me about the good tenets of like effective mysteries. Oh, I think because because this episode talks about the mystery made me want to talk about the mystery box and how the mystery box can be used to generate excitement but also ultimately can end up hollow if not executed correctly. Yeah, and this isn't executed correctly. Well, I don't know. I can only speak for me personally. I think that there is a obviously like an excitement. I think with the mystery, you like to guess what it could be, and it doesn't necessarily have to have all perfect strings leading to answer, because I don't need it to perfectly explain itself in the end. That's a personal aspen thing.

31:57 But I like to be able to see some things, so I like to be able to notice. I think that the the surprise of the thing is great. I do think guessing is kind of a joy of it, So sometimes when it's like it's not like you have to be right, but if like the answer is so far off from anything that even could have been, like it can feel frustrating, like you just pulled that out of nowhere, like you know, we're smart. The best mysteries treat their audience as smart and interested and excited. So I like, I will forgive a Sherlock Holm as being like, well, it was this type of tobacco, and I'm like, of course, I wouldn't have known that.

32:37 Knives out and glass on treats its audience as incredibly smarts out, pulls a Colombo and explains the mystery. Then the tension completely transforms, and then there's another mystery that reveals itself over the course of the film, so you still get the delicious payoff of a whodan it and it totally makes sense. And then glass Onion really try something. I'm not entirely sure that it succeeds, but it really tries, and I think that that is cool. I think it's cool. I don't like and the poker faces a blast and not really who done it? But why done it? Why?

33:18 Don Yeah? And that's that's right. I mean, those are the only things that I can explain, and then you're the person that watches. I directed a murder show, and what I told everyone was the things don't actually have to always match up in the end. What has to matter the most in this The most important things are you have compelling characters that believe in something and relationships that are interesting, and then everything will fall into place. So that and this episode doesn't really have any interesting relationships, I mean. It kind of does. And then the miss please explain, well, I.

33:58 Think what we're running into me right now is the like the sort of. Depth that I'm too right this week. I will grind you to a pulpe. Yeah, now you know, it's like the the awful deadness of season three of Star Trek, where sometimes any little thing can feel extraordinary. And I felt so thrilled that Sulu was there getting to do something. I don't know if that like something for me something, And also the McCoy Spock relationship was very interesting for me.

34:40 We got me Banga, and. We got Mebanga. We got a bunch of people getting to do interesting things that I hadn't got to see do things in a while, and so it felt a little like a drop of water in the dozen and I got really excited. I understand that I just liked it. I liked I didn't like the way that Kirk was treating Sulu, like all of his ideas, Oh. My gosh, like Zulu presenting solutions to what the heck is going on in Kirk being kind of like first season Kirk was, He's a little bit of a kill joy. Yeah, and Spock's also kind of being a little intense too, up. On the ship's box, being a little stinker some levity.

35:23 He's being funny. It's actually genuinely funny things that he would say. Yeah, like he takes he was pulling alike, but he was almost pulling a sort of like neuro spicy esque, like I take everything literally kind of thing. And he's like, dude, you've been around to humans a while, you got this. You're half human. Get over it. But it did it did feel I like I was there's just there was there were moments, especially near the end, when I felt like there were things that we were seeing too, like we were getting to see McCoy do something heroic and it was truly scary, Like the kind of the the the risk, the stakes felt particularly high in a way that I was like surprised by. I was like, I don't think, I know, we're not gonna explode. However, like he's in a dangerous space. He is literally saying, if this does not work, jettison me. And little crack moments, little cracks in the like spots sort of his the way that he presents himself as being so logical, so by the book, and then it's like we got to counted down to one and it should be that you make the choice. But you actually do believe in McCoy, You do have hope, you do love him, you know, like and you know he can do this.

36:35 You're talking about Scotty. Whenever Scotty is trying to reverse polarity, I. Kept saying, McCoy, I'm so sorry I met Scotty. Yeah, sorry, mccoya Scottish. Because the sh is warping through space and it keeps increasing. Because whenever Lossirah played by Lee Merriweather, popped onto the ship in the teaser to be like don't go down there, yeah, she accidentally reversed the polarity a do dead on the ship and made the warp go faster. It made Scotty was like, she's going to explode spockets. Like. What if it did if you stopped it? Much like Matred Grinder and the Grinder? He asked, what if it didn't?

37:18 I So I think that they're a little character. What a great I've ever green reference that I just made talking about the Grinder. I agree, you know we all know about that. I just think there were like really valuable little character moments. I liked Sulu getting like he almost gets killed and it's like terrifying, like his shoulder gets touched and what does that mean? And like I don't know. I just even if I didn't really like the Kirk treatment, I liked him. Yeah, but it's just frustrating. Whatever your central mystery consists of one action that MM doesn't make sense, doesn't reflect character, doesn't reflect relationships, doesn't reflect themes. It is a woman, a woman.

38:07 Just appearing out of nowhere, over and over. Again, going I am for you, killing two crew member, three crew members in the exact same fashion. Yep, there's nothing special about her. You're right. And I wrote in my notes, this is like a ten minute episode stretched out because there's just not And this is where I think if you had just moved up the central mystery and just solved it much quicker. Get through that real estate so we can explore something. Yeah, I mean once again, it's like, oh, a computer that was supposed to do something is like confused because that's all it's ever like, because the whole for those who have not seen it, Yeah, she keeps popping in being like I am for you touching people and exploding all theirselves and discrushing them.

39:02 You can't touch them. She turns two dimensional and folds away, which is cool. It's a very cool effect. It's a very cool effect. She can hop up onto that onto the ship, which is nine hundred years away. She hot back down, and it's that she is the computer's manifestation or it's like it's way of trying to keep people off of the the planet. Because it's because there's a virus. Because there's a virus. And killed everyone on the fake planet. It's also a fake planet. It's a fake planet that is revealed kind. Of through hats on hats that aren't explored. Right, Like they don't really explore that until they just kind of are like, wait a second, I think it might be this. That's why like the rock can't be like burnt or disintegrated.

39:52 What does that say about anything? Yeah, and then ultimately they get down to it and it's just another computer that's like I'm trying to do my duty and like I'm using her image because that's the only recorded image I have to use, so and I what it should have done. You're getting to a good point is it should have dug more into like imagine, I mean we've had a lot of these computer malfunctions type of thing, like we're fucking done. What hilarious about this one is that you just broke the computer by just shooting it didn't take like a whole thing this time. But because in that last like ten minutes right there, they're sort of reflecting on because you then see her message that she's recorded like this kind of clearly like strong, smart, like thoughtful leader who just wants to keep people safe.

40:48 And so imagine if you cat done sort of like whatever the equivalent of like a like the sound of her voice had been where it's like what if. Because there's so much of her in sight what this planet computer is putting out there, you get to interact with her more and actually truly be with her and you know, explore the idea of what it is to be human, and then maybe this like computer representation itself starts to be like sad for the loss of you know, like you can see that being an engaging sort of thing. Also, if the woman is a planet, which is Dave Filoni's favorite idea, if the whole planet was one woman, it also could bring up to mind what is the nature of existence? Where Kirk and company define existence as you got five fingies on each hand, five toes. You feel this, and then you have this character who is locked into this facsimile of a human, but it's able to experience a breadth of emotion. Right, cool? Interesting, Yeah, it's not that. Also, the central conceit of a landing party and then the ship is just thrown away almost a thousand light years. That's a great enough premise on its own.

42:08 Yeah, it's happened before, but you know it's especially if Sulu is there and that excitable biologist. Yeah, you don't have to there's no vegetation there. Yep, there is, but it's all poisonous. Sure, thank you for the correction. You're welcome. Who is the Star Trek expert? Now it's you Aspen. I remembered that they said that because Zulu said it, and I love him. But they're all the vegetation is poisonous, there's nothing to sustain them, and they have to wait for the enterprise. The episode could literally just be a character piece of them on a planet figuring out how to survive. A great character based episode. Sure, and they throw in a mystery because and this notably made Michael Richards never want to work on Star Trek the original series ever again.

43:01 Really why why? Because the episode under Fred Freiberger and his go to co writer Michael Richards was definitely unimpressed with it and no longer wanted to be involved with him because there wasn't They weren't interested in exploring themes. They were just kind of focused on getting a script done that in another episode that Michael Richards worked on in the future. Yeah, I don't know why. I wasn't mad at it. You're not familiar with Michael Richards the previous work. Oh, I don't know. Do you have to tell me, Gunny?

43:43 You might be familiar with a mock time surgeon. Okay, you might be familiar with Journey to Babel more spot centric episodes. The Enterprise incident. Yeah, so good episodes, great, really good great episodes with like a lot of really interesting uh themes and character relationships. This is a very this is a very empty, emotionally empty episode. And I'm I'm I'm still sitting here being like, why wasn't I by no means am I like this is a good or great episode. But it's not like a I hate this episode, or it's not like I don't it's not like I'm not going to go as far so far as you call it bad. But and I'm trying to figure out why though, And I wonder if I'm actually affected by the ending, which is a little bit like an info dump.

44:38 It's pretty good ending, but also you're, yeah, you're exactly right, it's the entire episode. It's not really emotionally resonant to me. Yeah, I mean, and again, it could just be the sort of like, oh, what joy to see my best friends? What have you been? Why haven't you had speaking rules. For so long? So anyways, the treatment of this episode made Dorothy Fontana never want to work on the original series ever. Again, Wait what her two? She's Michael Richards, Oh my god, Oh I feel I feel sick. I feel sick.

45:21 How wild would it be if he vomited? Just because of that information. I feel like uncomfortable in my body. I mean, I am surprised. I thought that she was already OUTI she was out. And also still got four episodes. She was contracted to write four episodes for Star Trek. It's so funny. I thought you were just talking about some dude and I did not care, And now you're talking about DC Fontana and I'm like, yeah, my dream girl. Did this hurt her? Then I'm you know what, I hate it? I hate this. I hate this episode. There's nothing good about this episode, nothing good in the world. I hate it. It's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life, if it that's right. Uh.

46:02 Dorothy Fontana wrote, uh the Enterprise Incident quite famously. Uh. And then she was under contractor write three others. Uh. Where are they the Enterprise Incident? Uh? A script called Joanna, which we will get to. I don't I can't find what the other one. And so she was like, as you're looking for that, she was genuinely like, this is not the show that I worked on and that I've done this before. This is just at this point where just what is art pump and shut.

46:42 Out another episode called Van Bolt's Robots, which didn't move on. So she was contracted for four episodes. Sure, uh, the enterprise incident pretty much, she's credited on it, right, so uh, and then wrote this one and another epist so called Joanna that gets turned into The Way to Eden and we will talk about that one later anyways. So what is it about? So she wrote it? Clearly they fucked it over. How she was not pleased with the direction that Fred Freiberger was taking Star Trek and asked to be released from her contract, which makes it sense because we've gone from yeah do it bro. Gene rod Berry John D. F.

47:30 Black as the initial showrunner Gene Coon John Meredith Lucas. John Meredith Lucas is credited on the tonnel play and tries to preserve what he can, but it just kind of gets stripped out because of just getting notes. And they're not really so worried so much as they're like, we have to have a script to shoot because it's hard to make a Star Trek, which I can't really fault them on that one. At least they got a planet this time. They did get a planet. Not only that, like the planet shakes, it was cool. It was cool. I was like, this is a notoriously twelve dollars budgeted season three. This feels like a lot we've got. Not only that, but we got like an engine set where they're messing with the anti matter.

48:25 Yeah, and I'm coming back to it and I'm like, it's it's an episode. Not to direct us away from it again, but I'm still trying to sit here and be like, what is what is your vibe? Assen? I think it is, like, well, if I'm not going to get something intellectually interesting, at least I'm getting some fun little set pieces that do give me individual character work and like dynamism that I feel like I've been kind of desiring. So it does have a kind of fun little feel to it in a way that and got to experience in a while. And maybe I'm I'm extending a fondness to it for that purpose because it is a really cool little engine room. Like also reversing the polarity on his little wrench. I don't it just basically took me.

49:13 It gets stuck, It gets stuck, its little tools stuck. It's basically a wrench and he like just takes the end off of it and just turns it around. What the fuck? I loved it. It's so so stupid. I love that so much. God, I can't believe they did my girl dirty. But they started doing my girl dirty early on. They started taking her stuff and like kind of breaking it apart a little bit more than should have been. Yeah, you know, you can't have that many bad ideas and be a perfect brilliant person before you're like, I guess I'm Audi. She has to be released from her contract. Fred Freiberger said that she just went to Hawaii.

49:55 Oh God, Sleigh. And then Dorothy Fontana was like, no, I asked to be released from my contract. And then Bob Juman, who was the supervising producer, was like, there's no Dorothy Fontana always turned into assignments on time and really great. So and all of that is from These Are the Voyages season three by Mark Cushman and Susan Osborne. Wait, so she did ask to be released, went to Hawaiian was like cea suckers. Uh. Probably followed the rules and was just like I need a break. This was disappointing. Probably went to Hawaii yeah, and then the assignment was given. The finishing assignment was given to John Meredith Lucas, and then Dorothy Fontana asked to be credited as Michael Richards Cardinal. She was embarrassed both the name of her brothers.

50:51 No, that's fun, Oh Jesus, Okay, Well, I definitely lowers it in my esteem. Mm hmm. It's it's messy, it's weird. Their ideas. There are ideas that could be explored and aren't. It does feel like just like something dying. What does what does it mean to love a franchise? What does it mean to love these franchises? Oh, Kenny, you have in a moment, because yeah. I love I love Star Trek unconditionally. Will we'll be watching it forever? Yeah, every single new entry, I'll check it out unless it just gets so dire and so feeling so cynical that I just check out. Okay, Star Wars I kind of go up and down with a lot of the new stuff I haven't seen, but and or I'll be right there, and then I'll go see Mandalorian it's in theaters, because I want to see a Star Wars movie on the big screen. A Star Wars yeah.

51:58 What does it mean to love of a franchise? And it I mean, I I don't want to just go into the next segment on a bummer, but instead just trying to bring it to a little bit more of a philosophical notion because for me, what is interesting in the commonality that I haven't encountered so far in this podcast where we're almost at one hundred episodes, is that both of these were like straight up bombers to you. To me, yeah, art is art is subjective. For the Star Trek episode, I was incredibly bored, and for the Star Wars episode, I was just like, it felt like Ewok's days. Wow, God, that's why.

52:50 Yeah, man, uh yeah, I don't. I certainly don't think it means having to like everything that is put out by any means. I also don't think it means I mean, obviously there's the core of the like, and you also get to criticize the thing you love, Like there's no rules on loving something, right. If it still brings you joy and it's part of this thing that you love, then you love it and that's the end of it. And if you watch something and you don't like it, and then that's fine. I guess my presumption with you is like if it started going off in a direction that was like bad bad, not like maybe like quality bad might be one thing. If it's like, well, I'd still have these pieces. But if like the thing like Harry Potter is a really great example of like I love I I was a I literally could have told you every single thing about Harry Potter, and it literally was.

53:51 The franchise was so destroyed for me, like so fundamentally irrevocably destroyed for me by joe Anne Turf Joe Anne like that it was actually hard for me to even like engage with it at all, even if there was like no exchange of money kind of thing, right, because it just hurts so badly. So I think if you know, if Star Wars were to ever get to that point, I'd have to have the same letting go experience probably and it would kill me. But also, you know, it's it's just, you know, there's things that I love. Really, there's just things that I love. Nope, don't do it done yet, night yet. A long time ago start date. This week, I quoted a boat, I dated a game, but none of them could warp mine drive into high birth space. The best of both worlds kept me in the second place. Captain slog on a Halla Kron. I wanted a song. I pend a song. Seventeen more minutes advise.

54:57 In super high def. Aboard the USS Enterprise DT. Don't you take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my ritchard, buddy and nip it? If you spill the tea, I'm gonna sip it. I starship it. I can't believe he did that to me. Yeah, that's pretty rude actually, But for. What it's worth, all I was really gonna do is just keep talking about things I liked about the Star Wars episode to try to offset it. Sure, no, it's fine. We'll discover it through our favorite game.

55:39 I have a sneaky suspicion that you can talk about it. Yeah, here in this segment and then also in the final rankings. But it was probably good to cut me out before I started talking about Lord of the Rings. So that's not what this show is. No, this week, it's all sexy. Gung and. Sure sure is, dude, there is. So yeah, we'll name our favorite ships that fly to those guys slash vehicles that you can ride a broom broom, and our favorite yeay yea, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I have a few, so I have some laying wait in case you steal them from there.

56:24 Excellent, I will steal the first one, the bio hazard ship. Yeah, the yaboo like police ship, the one the. Nabuo police ship, which is such a wild design and seems wildly impractical, and confirmed that it was wildly impractical in the Felony Zoni whenever they were like, well, this was a design, and this was a design that was made for episode one, but we used it here and then we had to they had to figure out where the landing gears and like how they would get off the ship. Yep, all of that is very fascinating. I love Starship design. I think I would look at the art Episode one book that came into my little widescreen Collector's Edition vhs all the time, even though it was like thirty forty pages if that, and I would just keep flipping through them. They were so cool.

57:12 Anyways, it's it's a cool ship that was gonna be mine if I had gone first, or you didn't say it. I kept like desperately trying to look for what it was called, and then it came up on the Felony Zoni and I went, oh, okay, sick fabous like yellow kind of looks like a bug. It's ridiculous, it's wild. It's I like that they're in hazmat suits too. I do. And also we get bomb squadroids or bomb squad clones. Yeah, they're like they have like orange on them. Here's the thing, here's the thing you can tell. And they confirmed us also in the Felony Zoni, the art and the capability is getting better and better. Yeah, Like it's like they even talk about like the ability now to do curly hair and what that means for like design and being able to add different character designs. Now, what we don't want them to do is poll a poll a prequels and like overload it. Just because you can doesn't mean you should write. Like sometimes that lack of like capability can sometimes lead to creative things like Okay, well, if I can't add a new character, what can I do with the characters that are here?

58:17 Right? Because it's a lack of art capability, and that more they build it, the more they because they're talking about how they could introduce like seven new characters, right, so we don't want to overwhelm it. Yes, and you know they're a little on the edge here, but I do think it's like it's clearly like a joy that they can start to have these different types of Clone troopers that are yeah, that are the bomb Squad, that they could have this little rabbit droid, that they could have another Gungand we've. Definitely seen the rabbit droid before because I remember, yeah, because I remember it holding it a little hologram that was its little rabbit ears. I can't recall where it was. Why do I want to say like it was in the movie and I was holding a hologram for zero the hut. I could definitely be making. Oh maybe my memory.

59:05 Is bad well minus too. But also because i've seen Clone oars, I can't I can't remember sometimes if it's because I've seen it already later or where. So, But I love that little rabbit droid so much I do. Is that your ship with a week? No let me you cut me off, so I have to have to tell you the things I like about this. I like it the art stuff. That's all my ship is. Actually I wrote down a couple I think we might have done them before, like I think the tick cow that's actually I did that for Attack of the Clones. Baby, check it out. Let's go to the ward count count count. Because I would have called it that they have real names.

59:47 Count. You've definitely done a Naboo star fight. Yours was Dooku Solar Sale. Oh. I fucking love that solar Sale because it's either between the which is me being cheeky because I love those tech cows and I love that we ride them, or the act of being folded like a piece of paper through space. We'll give it to Starchek. We'll give it the act of being folded like a piece of paper through space is my ship. Folded through it. It's such a great wild effect that every single time it was on screen, I was like, I am not displeased by watching this again, I kind of little Yes, so interesting, and I'm just thinking about how they did that, and then thinking about the Tholian web animation, having to do that frame by frame by frame incredibly so fascinating, beautiful, like beautiful, beautiful stuff. It's yeah, making this stuff is so hard and you just have to They just had to be extremely creative because after effects didn't exist back then. Yeah, so it's so easy to do that kind of effect. Now. Back then they would have to specifically shoot her unprobably a blue screen cut that out, which means that you had to optically remove the blue place that on a thing, the drawn

1:01:19 outline over it, then shift the perspective somehow, and then shrink the line, which is going to require frame by frame animation so hard. That's so hard for a thing that lasts like three seconds. Right, Yeah, that's wild. So and that's why that's Aspen's ship of the Week, and. That's why that's my ship of the week. What's your romantic ship? Doctor Vindy and the Rabbit droiden Oh. Okay, okay, that you didn't take mine? Yeah, you know, because Doctor Vindy entrusts the bomb to Rabbit Druiden, and Rabbit Droid takes that bomb and hides hides with with his little Tommy because because he's got a little tummy, got a little pummy and he's hiding it or she or they who knows what is gender?

1:02:15 The three the three genders our Boss, girl Boss, Sport and Sport Great. And little tom and little Bunny Bunny. Tummy boy, boy Boss, I'm a. Boy boss, a girl boss, a sport. Yeah, boy by sligh. But you know that doctor Bendy because he's extremely expressive person. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah. And you know that rabbit Droid is fully functional and multiple techniques and probably using that. You don't like this, you don't like this at all. It's totally consensual. And you know that rabbit Droid loves Doctor Vindy. You know, does I think he does. I think rabbit Droid loves Doctor Vendy.

1:03:15 I'm sure he does. He like. Lord Horny, happy Horny months. Jesus, what's. Okay? Well, give me a second. I do have one, but I only see if there's anything better in Star Trek. I am gonna go. I'm gonna go. Doctor Vindy and his Blue Shadow virus. It's purely it's it's a it's not it's a I gotta tell you. His obsession, his obsession with virus.

1:04:00 It's a perfect organism is like the alien from the movie Alien. Exactly like he has uh he has a true love for it. The fact that he has brought it back to life because he is creating life. He is like not only has he brought it back but he has also transmuted it it's properties and now it has gone from waterborne to airborne. He loves it. He literally says, every little bacteria just a little kiss. But he even says this thing that has like it has such like strong, like toxic relationship, like great fanfic vibes where he's just like dogs. It's like like now we are all going to die, and it has a real like that like terrible relationship. We're like like what if we all died to get you know, like Romeo and Juliet Ye Burbos. It's it's it's a lot. It's a lot. Also, I fucking loved that dude. He's absurd, Kenny, He's absurd.

1:05:09 And it's great. It's performance. It's just a lot. It's a lot. In an episode that already has a lot. And I've just got sensorly overloaded. I got sensorily overloaded. Like C three Po at the beginning, who you know, when they're like trying to like question that droid and they're like opening up his droid head with like a bone saw, but it's a droid saw and C three Po basically reacts to it as if it were like a dead, but like if it were a human dead body, and it's like I can't handle this, can I like turn myself off? And Padme's like, no, I need you, And I was just like, uh oh, here we are again with the like complicated droid uh droid rights. Shit.

1:05:49 If I ever get my skull, I saw it open. I want you to be there so you can talk to the doctor for me. Okay, so I can be like, I'm sorry, I'm getting overloaded, sincerely, so I gotta go. I don't worry about it. He always talks about magic Mike xxl this much. It's just it's not a part of the brain that you're touching. He is just he must have seen it in like another TV or something. Right. Oh God, that's just his segue thing he likes to do. Don't worry about it. Well, speaking of segues, art is a binary aspen. Okay, is it? It is? Absolutely? I know that. Earlier I was talking about how art is subjective, and I truly do want to preserve the fact that the fundamental notion that I think that art is objective and you're allowed to love these episodes. But no, I'm lying, art is objective. There's a good and there's a bad. There is nothing in between, and so too can there only be one winner? For this week, we rank that which survives from Star Trek the Original series season three versus Blue Shadow Virus from Star Wars the Clone Wars season one. I think we should start with Blue Shadow Virus as when what are you going to give.

1:06:59 This interesting six point three? Six point three? Huh? I did cut you off with the segway too, I starship it. Do you have anything to say about this episode? Thank you so much for asking me. I want to give you the space as an ally right, Yes, you want. To you want to lift up nonsense men's voice a lot. There's a lot of things happening in the episode, and the stakes are extremely high. There's a lot that is visually compelling in a way that I think is very interesting.

1:07:40 There's a lot of stuff going on, and on reflection, maybe a little too many things, but it's pretty action packed. I think the threat is truly a threat. It like maybe skews toward Goofy having both jar Jar and this wild doctor. But I think here's something I do want to just point out that the Anakin padme anytime there's like an opportunity to sort of see the Anakin Padme relationship is and like what kind of things are going on there? I think is interesting, Like he literally lets this doctor go so he can save Padme. He just does, and that is so truly contrary. Like if Obi Wan had been there, he'd be like been like, what the fuck did you just do? And it's it almost like takes it beyond the idea of not attachment, Like he literally was like, you know, obviously they got the guy, but like he took a risk and by literally being like I could sacrifice everyone for this person. And I think moments like that are what actually build up to an interesting Darth Vader's story. And he loves her desperately and that's always a good thing, right, Like love is so so desperate. You can see it in moments like this, and you can see it when it gets like controlling in other moments and like too fearful or like or he just truly is so adoring these little moments, And I just think that dynamic is really fascinating that I

1:09:14 think is worth noting. I think it's worth noting, like Ahsoka's capability growing, that's cool character. Work doing lots of jumping and chopping. Yeah, the jumping and chopping was like wildly dynamic. It was like the action was so much like I was, I was actively like holding my head like I was just like, yeah, yeah, but you're right. I mean, it's not a great episode. I don't think it's a bad episode. So thus I'm sticking it in the six point three range. Groovy, I'm going to give this episode three point five okay, And even then it still feels kind of high. I mean, there there are some good aspects to this episode, specifically the Anakin and pat my stuff, but like I feel like Anakin, oh, we want being there. Else the possibility of showing Padme solving an adventure, It's true. And then what is there is wrecked by shrill comedy. I it is.

1:10:16 It is so atonal, It is so rough to watch. This episode is just a lot and I enjoy a maximalism but not like this. And then even then I felt like the action words perfunctory and not really motivated by any information that we know about these characters, and it wasn't really based in character relationships. It was just jeopardy because we have to have some jeopardy. I would not be surprised if George Lucas was like, I want to do a virus episode. But they didn't talk about that in the Polonies any He. Didn't talk about if it was George. But they did talk about the idea that it did have origins and other like extended universe stuff and in books that it had been done yeah, and that kind of thinking, how could this be done? So there's that.

1:11:08 Yeah, yep, yeah, Okay, that's blue shallow virus. Okay, all right, Uh, what do you give that which survives? Aspen? Again, it's just like neither good nor bad to me, that's a pretty like solid five. All right? Anything else to say about that which survives? I think I talked about it a lot. I'm a little I remained slightly bewildered by my like gentle fondness for it, which is why it's not getting any lower than that despite it, Like, oh but you know what, now that I'm remembering the Doc Fontana stuff, that actually leads me to a slight Spie ranking. But I'm gonna keep it five because I don't want to make it sure. Yeah, I love her so much, but I can't just always I can't let star Trek be the only thing I ever SPI rank. No, I'm not spight ranks st So I feel like I need to be fair.

1:12:08 No, this would be fair. Come we'll drop in to a. Four point five for her for her it bumce me out so much. I'm going to rake this point two us christ. Oh, we didn't even talk about the fact that there is brown face in it. There is a total brown face. It makes no sense. It makes no sense because it's definitely a choice where they're like, let's be multicultural, and so they have Lieutenant Rata. Then why not put an actual Indian? Why not put an actual Indian person there? I want to. Understand, I genuinely, because you know, I'm watching it in like high deaf shit. I'm like, what did they do to her face? Like it? Because it almost looks like if you were to see someone who was like in a black and white old movie, like what their makeup would look like for it to look right on screen like a genuinely like the way the shadows are. I was like, what the fuck's wrong?

1:13:02 And I was like it. I was like, she's a giant pimple, and then I realized she's Indian and I was like, you motherfuckers. I looked at the actress and she's Jewish and like but like. And then not only that, but has also been in brown face in another stark dark episode, the Paradise Syndrome. Oh my god, I might also bring it down, like because that actually felt really bad. That might bring down a four. There's a lot going there's a lot going against it. But I'll put I'll say that, you put it as a four. Okay, fine, just for I forgot about that. I literally went, oh no. Yeah, yeah, it's it is so bizarre because they're clearly doing it because Enterprise is Starship Earth.

1:13:47 But like, why no, no, no one, no one noticed, no one, no one. Right, no one, like, no one thought about it. No one thought about it, right, could if you want to do that, there couldn't have been one actress of Indian descent that could have been on the set. Can you fucking imagine? Can you imagine? They are in Los Angeles, California. The City of dreams. The city of dreams. This is one role, one role, one. Single role, and there are no South Asian. Women anywhere, not one, not one.

1:14:32 Fuck me? You know, yeah, that is wild. Bus I thought about that abysmal and then also this episode's mid as hell. Okay, primarily I'm ranking point two because the racism. Okay, yeah, it's mad, but then it's dropped down for the racism and the way that it hurt my girl. Which means I mean I'm doing it. I'm doing a lot of bitter rankings. Well, I got a spite ranking for Star Trek and a bitter ranking for Blue Shadow Virus, which means for Star Treks two point one versus Star Wars Blue Shadow Virus with a robust four point nine. Aspen, Yeah, sit high in that chair because Star Wars wins the week.

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