Dec. 7, 2024

Hostage Crisis v. The Savage Curtain

Hostage Crisis v. The Savage Curtain

Cad Bane. Aurra Sing. Abraham Lincoln.

We have two groups of hostages this week. We talk about the idea of concepts vs. execution. 

Aspen talks about Anakin and Padmé and what draws them to each other. Kenny talks about Lincoln & Roddenberry's...

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Season 1

Cad Bane. Aurra Sing. Abraham Lincoln.

We have two groups of hostages this week. We talk about the idea of concepts vs. execution.

Aspen talks about Anakin and Padmé and what draws them to each other. Kenny talks about Lincoln & Roddenberry's fetish for Great Man Narratives™.

And we talk about the binary of good and evil.

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Trek or Star Wars by going through

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both franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent and with me Esper always as

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the co host, with my hosts.

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Aspin Webster Star Wars fan uh.

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And today we are raising the curtain, the Savage curtain

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that is, and taking again there at the hostage crisis

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that works in the backstages of the Senate. That's right,

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we're talking about the Savage Curtain from Star Trek the

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original series season three. First this Hostage Crisis, the final episode,

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the final aired episode of Star Wars the Clone Wars

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season one. And I, for one, unlike my co host,

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am very excited to talk about these episodes.

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What you don't know that you don't know? I'm not excited. Hey, hey,

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look at me like that. You don't know me.

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You don't know me, I don't know. I'm just saying

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you didn't say that you were excited beginning.

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Kenny, I am always excited to talk to you. I

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always enjoy our time.

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I'm always excited to talk to you.

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I could hate something, I could hate it, I I

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approved it. I could hate it and I'd still I'd

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still have fun talking to you. Oh.

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I mean, we haven't watched a fair amount of things

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where we're just like, oh.

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Boy, I've watched a lot of things. I fucking hate boy.

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But I never hate you. You hear me, Yes, I'll

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never hate you. You are enough.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, you're valuable even when you're wrong.

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Speaking of your valuable whenever you're wrong, Aspen, Before we

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get onto the main concept of the podcast or trying

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to figure out which is better Star Wars a Star Trek,

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you have altered a very large conceit for the podcast.

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You see a lot of a lot of the podcast

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is predicated on I haven't seen a lot of Star Wars,

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and Aspen hasn't seen a lot of Star Trek. I

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think that's still kind of true. Mostly, but you embarked

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on a pretty important journey for a good reason. I

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will say, Aspen, what have you started this week?

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Okay, Well, just a reminder to everybody I have watched.

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In terms of what I've watched in Star Trek, I

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watched almost all of the US and I had watched

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at least all of season one before, even if I

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didn't remember, it just remindered everyone. I have at this

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point watched all of Lower Decks, Prodigy, Strange in Your Worlds.

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I've watched all of DS nine, and I'm pretty sure most,

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if not all, a Voyager, maybe like I'm missing someone

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in the last season.

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So what's left on the deck is Enterprise? Is Bicard

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Discovery Short Treks the animated series, Yeah, I.

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Haven't seen it. And Next Generation a big old boy,

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although I have seen just like scattered episodes just being

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a child of the nineties and I know all those

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characters and I know everything about them, and there's like

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an osmosis thing. However, I did get a text from

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a fellow I proviser and he was like, Hey, do

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you want to be in a Star Trek Next Generation show?

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And I was like, I want to tell you a

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true fact about me, which is that I actually know

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a shit tone about Star Trek and this is my

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literal blind spot. So to be a good performer and

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you'd be a good teammate, I have to watch some

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Next Gen to at least make sure that I'm in

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the same realm of things that we have spoken sense,

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and he apparently they are inspired a lot by obviously

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all other types of tracks, like definitely like the.

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Run.

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Yeah, like I having now watched like so so Joel

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the Sweet Partner, Jowel, thank you so much. There's just

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so much. I'll communicate your clapping. He loves Next Gen.

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So he automatically was just like, I'm gonna curate episodes

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and then you sent me a list that was like

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you cannot watch these episodes and he was like, fine,

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that's fine, I'll figure it out.

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Oh, they didn't overlap, only like one Dad, which one

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I don't remember?

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I don't I don't know. Okay, I don't know, man,

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I don't know. I don't know. We've been skipping around too,

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we've been going like different seasons and shit. But I

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think it's like he's been going kind of based on

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characters and vibe. So it's like, do you want to

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know more? Like what would you like to watch the

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episodes focused on the Guard? Would you like to watch

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some things focused on Deanna Troy, things like that they

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now know the whole fucking Tasha ship. He like showed

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me the episode. I guess spoilers for people. He literally

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showed me, wish I can't read it. Command chain of Command. No,

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the Kardassians, I haven't watched. I haven't watched Cardassians. No,

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I think you might have told me I watched this one.

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What is this say? Redemption?

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Yes?

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Is that the like the two parter, like the two

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be continued to cross seasons?

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Yeah? Yes, because starting in season three.

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Oh maybe not then yeah, wait we it's it's like,

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I don't know, I watched it. It's where it's where

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Wharf gets his Oh okay, yeah he gets his.

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Yeah, it's hot. The Cling on Civil Warps.

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Yeah, the Clean Clean. We watched The Clean on Civil Warps,

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which is very funny to watch, having like watched DS

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nine and knowing like ultimately what happens. There's like so

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much like having watched S nine and Voyager that I'm like,

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we watched we watched like Across the Board, Like we

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watched the episode where with Rikers with like the copy

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of him made like that episode Second Change Chances, which

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fucked me up because I knew, I knew that there

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was a literal copy of him that existed out there

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Tom because of Days Night. So I'm like, it's none

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of this is new to me, but watching it, I

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love it like I love it.

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It's it's I love it whenever, I mean whenever you

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get into the rhythm of it. Starting in season three. Yeah,

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I am oh.

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I am noticing watched one from season one. Everything else

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has been to the season three.

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Four and then as aspen, whenever you find out, like

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the behind the scenes stuff you were going to be like,

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it is a miracle that this show was good.

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Period, Yike Sarony.

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Like we already talk about the fact that TV production

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is a miracle in and onto of itself. None of

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this should be a good period because television is possibly

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the hardest thing to do. At least doctors save lives. Meanwhile,

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people are working seventy television.

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Yes, hardest job you can most important job you can

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possibly down well the entire world, like you.

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Put in well, let me talk about in William Shatner's

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The Captain's documentary, like Kate all all the main actors,

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like some version of their lives fell apart due to

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television production because they were working fourteen, sixteen hours a

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day hopefully five days minimum. Kate Malker was like, uh

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my marriage fell apart because she was working on Star

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Volager the entire time, and then you find out like

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the behind the scenes stuff of Next Generation, Yeah at

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the especially during the first three years, and you're just

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going to be like, Okay, my god, I hope that

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the for people that are listening to the audio version,

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I hope that the headphone Joscelyn came across in the

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audio mix because like.

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A little wiggle, like a little wiggle, a little wiggle. Yeah, shit,

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Well I'm excited. I do want to say one other thing, yes, yeah,

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little wiggle.

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It'll tell me some of the episodes that you watch

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outside the second Chances, and then we will get to

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the last thing that you want to say, unless you

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want to say more. I can talk about this all

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the time.

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I'm so redemption, Redemption. Oh my god. I'm sorry. I

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should have been like writing them down. We watched the

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one with Wesley with the where there's an accident at

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the academy, and.

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The First Duty what okay, where you meet Nicole Carno.

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Yeah, with not Tom Paris. That one really also messed

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me up. There's a lot of episodes that just like

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make me deeply sad. Yeah, because By the way, I

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have no problem with teenagers in shows. I think Wesley

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seems great. I don't care. He's great because he's sincere

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and authentic.

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Also, like he rules in Prodigy season two.

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Oh that's the other thing, is I am like so good?

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Probably you can't spoil anything for me because I know

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what happens to Wesley in the future because of Prodigy.

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Which if you watch that episode, the episode is called

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Journey's End. You're allowed to watch that episode. Okay, devastating episode.

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It may actually make you furious.

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Okay, Well, I watched The Doctor's Holiday, Fantastic, Captain's Holiday,

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Captains Holiday. Oh, you're right, sorry, Captain's Holiday Hot.

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Hot hot? What if an actor was attractive?

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Oh my god, he's like. It's funny because I've been like, yeah,

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of course, Patty Stew's is like and then I watch

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that and I was like, oh, he's fit, man, look

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at that dude, he's fit.

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And then you can and then you mix it up

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with Cards Constitution at that point, which is kind of

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a grumpasaur. Yeah, and you're like, uh oh, he's enjoying himself.

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Uh uh oh, Yeah, he was really grumpy in that one.

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Booby Trap, which is a Geordie focused episode. We also, yeah,

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also watched was it Tapestry and what's the one or Yeah?

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That one also devastated me and made me cry. Yeah. Basically,

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it's like we were doing kind of like focus on

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different characters, so like giving like like.

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Diana Troy, No there's Crusher episode.

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Not yet, we haven't done Crusher yet. It's like, yeah,

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I'm sure, Like because Deanna Troy, I would say Second

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Chances has is a little very Deana Troy. It's Troy

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and Riker focus. But then there was another one that

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they were like negotiating this wormhole wild by the way,

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because I'm like they're like it's it's a wormholes to

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the Gamma QUADRT and I'm like that wormhole is not

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gonna work because i know because I've seen DS nine

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and that one. It's like very much about her and

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she meets like a guy who's like a part part

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like Corner Betazoid, which is really funny because when he

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first showed up, he like looked through these big, bright,

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scary blue eyes because people with like eyes that color

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blue should not look at you. And I was like,

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what is he like part betas way, but he can't

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be his eyes aren't like dark, it's they're fucking scary.

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And then he was ha ha ha. I didn't like

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that man. I didn't like that man at all. Anyway,

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we just watched the scattering of episodes, and Joel most

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certainly wants to watch even more with me. Oh yeah,

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we watched the one where Atasha dies also made me cry,

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devastating cried. I was like, I don't even know this woman,

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and I'm crying controllabae. I mean, oh yeah, because first

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season episode, because you basically wanted to show me spoilers

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for everybody like this sort of like progression. Because we

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also saw the episode where it was like then there is.

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Because I saw Redemption too, Yeah, and.

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Yes is that one because it was like Redemption the

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two parter, and then also the one that's like where

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how that one gets sent back in time basically Howard,

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like you.

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Know Yesterday's Enterprise.

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Yeah, we watched Yesterday's Enterprise, which was a fabulous episode.

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I was like, this is so cool.

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I love that kind of a masterpiece, like it is

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a masterpiece.

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Yeah. So anyway, for people I don't, I don't. I'm

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sorry if I'm spoiling anything. I just have to say,

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Next Gen is fire.

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Yeah. So and then you think about I mean, we'll

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get into this, yeah, like not necessary maybe next year,

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probably next year. Yeah, but like that, that show was

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pulling in like huge numbers. And it's a syndicated TV show. Yeah, there,

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and syndicated TV shows just didn't pull in the kind

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of numbers that Next Generation did. Is a four quadrant hit, yeah,

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and it's just it's wild, it's wild, great.

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Well, vibes are.

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Good, Vibes are oh.

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A, vibes are good. Oh and oh that's something. This

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is what I want to say before we get into

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our current week's episodes. I don't find Picard to be

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so different from Shatner, from Kirk Hasen.

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think of Kirk, I think they're like, we get into

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we've gotten into this third season where he does do

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a lot of having sex with women and kissing a

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lot of people, and that's great and he but I

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think having gone through all this systematically, I've been like

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season one, Kirk is by the rules, by the book,

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he loosens up, gets a little bit more adventurous. I

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still think that he like and when it comes to

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being like focused on like being like, I don't think

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he's not diplomatic. And also I don't think Bicard is

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not action focused, like you know what I mean. I

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think that they are sort of a blend of like

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especially like for Angie.

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No you haven't seen Starcark first contact yet?

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Great, and don't, Okay, I won't, I guess, And maybe

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I'm being reductive about it, but I just I just

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heard all my life that it's just like Kirk is

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the adventure captain of Picard is the serious diplomatic captain.

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because TOS is a much more action forward show, sure

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in comparison, and Next Generation is not afraid to put

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its characters around the table and talk a while and

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then to like talk their way out of a situation.

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And there's a whole heck of a lot more technobabble next.

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what the fuck is there. Yeah, Like, do I have

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to do that? Yes? The answer is yes, I'm so bad.

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At Sometimes sometimes you have to reroute taking ons and

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get them projected through the deflector field in order to

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create a static warp bubble that can somehow jostle us

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out of this wormhole.

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Wow, let's reverse the polarity.

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Yep, Wellt's speak of university the polari itself. Why don't

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we make it so we talk about these two episodes

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season three versus the final episode of season one, if

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will go ahead and start with The Savage Curtain, aired

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March seventh, nineteen sixty nine. Director Herschel Daugherty, writer, story

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by Gene Roddenberry, Teleplay by Gene Roddenberry and Arthur Heinemann.

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From an NBC press release. Captain Kirk and mister Spock

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are forced to fight for survival with reincarnations of the

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most evil representatives from history in the Savage Curtain on

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NBC Television Networks Star Trek Friday, March seventh. An alien

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culture attempts to learn of good and evil through a

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battle to the death between forces of both sides. Kirk

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and Spock are given help by historical figures Abraham Lincoln

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and Surak a Vulcan in their fight against four evil ones.

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If they lose, they will die along with the entire

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crew of the Enterprise. Asked if you can wake up

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real quick?

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Abraham Lincoln, I was like, we're gonna have something special.

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have gamesters of tricks, Elian and everything else I've ever

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seen ever in this show.

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of Star Trek wanted to go to lunch early.

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I was like, is this gonna be something like it's

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like somebody's been holding on to for a while and

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it's like finally I'm gonna get my stuff out there

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or something. And then I was like, oh no, it's

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just end of season three, end of the show. Just

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pull in whatever scripts you had lying around Alas and

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a lack you know, it didn't it didn't actually strike

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me that they were reincarnations that actually kind of makes

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it a lot more horrific.

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I was just like, I don't know, horrific. What about

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a hostage What about a hostage crisis in the Senate?

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It is really horrific. It is actually the stakes on

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this one are so high, So high. Hostage Crisis I

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released March twenty, two thousand and nine. In this case,

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the episode was directed by gian Carlo Vope. The coolest

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name I've ever heard, excuse me, and except for Kendall Madison,

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except for this other name that I'm not gonna pronounce

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right because I think it's Irish ohen yo yo yog

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in mahoney, mahoney, yogin mahoney. I think is probably a

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better way to pronounce that name. It's fine. I should

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have I should have studied first. And the plot, Cad

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Baine has gathered a team of his fellow bounty hunters

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to see his control of the Senate building. The plan

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is to exchange the hostages therein for the freedom of

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crime Lord Zero the Hut you remember him with his

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weird little Truman capode coded accent. Anakin Skywalker is the

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sole Jedi left in the building. Unfortunately, he has left

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his lightsaber in Sanator rah Medella's possession. Sure did that,

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little motherfucker? Oh weirdo, why do you do that? He's

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just being such a dumb dumb you know. Sometimes he's

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such a dumb dumb and you gotta be like, what

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you doing, dumb dumb Anyway, some of these One of

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the other Bounty Hunters is raising, which is very cool,

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very cool.

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She's very cool. What if a lady had an antenna?

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What if a lady had a ponytail?

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If a lady had a ponytail and an antenna and

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a gun. Truly, George Lucas is a genius.

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What if she didn't have any other hair except the

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ponytail part, just a ponytail, just a ponysail part, that's it.

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What if what if cat bane or a blue man.

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Uh not just a blue man, a group.

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With there's with with things on the side of his

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head with a hat he does indeed, I have a

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Dave Faloni hat.

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He doesn't have a Dave Faloni hat, but it's big honkin,

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big honkin hat.

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A big honkin hat, which Dave Philonie did say. And

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he has a hat and I like hats.

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Sporting it a very similar type of hat as Lee

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and Cleef War in The Good the Bad in.

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Poopoo Peo Peo Peo Peoo. Apparently what peo peo peo

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pe You know, this is one of those where when

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in the Filoni's only behind the scenes, they're like, George, well, actually,

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let's see, this is one of those characters where George

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really had a say in the design of the character.

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And in this case, you know, we wanted him to

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look like yeah, and everything about him is designed to resist,

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to be able to fight Jedi. The fact that he

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is a George Lucas designed approved character. You know what,

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Sometimes George is pretty, It's okay, sometimes Lucas gets it.

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I don't know, man, I think Dave Filoni had an

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input because cad Baine does not wear a tu top.

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That's true. Well, cad Bane is not a girl or

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a woman one woman, so yeah, he's rad. I forgot

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that this was like his introduction because you see him

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in later stuff that's on now and man, was not

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meant to be in live action. Cadbane was meant to

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be animated forever and terrifying as ship.

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Isn't he in the live action isn't he in like

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a Bubba fat or something.

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Sure is and I don't know why why, I know why.

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I just don't need it.

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It starts with it starts with the Dave ins in.

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I know, foloney, calm down.

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He's not every character that you We're not talking about

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those things. We're talking about these things.

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He's really fucking scary. He's very scary. He has he's

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truly like he someone who does things solely for money

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and is prepared and talented. And it's scary, you know.

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So it's a it's a true it's a true risk.

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The stakes are extremely high. They said, yeah, yeah, it's

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pretty quickly the episode. I know, I just jumped in

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talking about this Clone Wars episode, but pretty quickly, pretty quickly,

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they're like, we're going to prove that this guy means business.

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He he traps all the senators in. One of the

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senators is like, well, I'm not going to stand for this,

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and he just shoots him in the back. Immediately. He's

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just like, do you want to fuck with me? And

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everyone's like no, and Pat Me's like Anakin was doing

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this stupid smooth talk bullshit with me and I have

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his stupid lightsaber. Yeah, I just ain getna. Yeah in

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that way, I like it especially. I mean, that's some

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pretty hard shit for for a kids show.

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Yeah. So yeah, it's feel like the timber of things

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changed a little bit, especially the ending where I was

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just like, oh, this is I feel like this would

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have been wrapped up. No, this is our this is

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our season one cliffhanger, which I was not expecting.

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Oh sure, so sure, I mean I guess they get

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out of danger.

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But yeah, yeah, they get out of danger, but like

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the bad guys a chieve their objective. Yeah, man, good,

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you know, definitely not expecting that for the end of

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the season.

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That's great.

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Yeah, it's really cool. And I did not expect He's

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see easiero lot.

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You didn't spitch to see you little zero again. I'm

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gonna tell you a secret. I've seen this. I forgot

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I thought we were rid of him.

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Makes sense, it makes sense. And in the Folony Zone

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and they talk about how like they didn't have time

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to put like the feathers and the jewelry on there,

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but like, I know, I know, I know that they

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read some of the reviews and were like, let's let's

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not really bother to render the feathers this time.

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I thought, I, Oh, I didn't realize that they put

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it that way. I thought that they just justified it

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by being like they're confiscated from him in prison too.

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If everyone will remember Zero the Hut from the film

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Star Wars, Clone Wars film, the Star Wars films.

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At least Star Wars film, Star Wars, the Clone Wars.

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Where we had the introduction of a Soka Tano tube top,

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we have the introduction of Rex, many things, the whole

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vibe of everything. We have baby Hut and we have

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fucking Zero. What a time to be alive, you know,

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truly what it's time to be alive?

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Truly? Yeah?

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What a solid time too? Just what a solid time?

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Solid? What if die Hard but in the Imperial or

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in the Galactic sent Oh, you're right.

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You're right where you're right, Because the whole idea is

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that if Anakin doesn't have his lightsaber, how can he

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get them? How can he save them?

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Yeah?

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Which is funny because I do feel like in my

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mind I was like, probably pretty easily. And then you

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got the force and he does use the force, but

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turns out that the force of multiple people was greater

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than his own.

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Personal force, unlike Mace Windho, who last week we found

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out can he just tap it the glass?

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He can tap it the glass. He tapped a glass.

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Walker does not have glass shattering bill.

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No, again, a reminder that Mace Windho is really fucking strong.

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Can you say that closer to the microphone? Really focus

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off so you can like really get in.

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There, really bucket strong, really sorry about you?

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Do you want to edit this?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah to quote to quote baby baby Nasa

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Rose from Wicked. Yeah yeah yeah. Pretty rad time, pretty

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red time all around. Oh sot be yawning. Well, I can't.

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Start talking about the Savage curtain yet?

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So bored, so bored? Yeah, I was really bummed, so bored.

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I was not bored during the Clone Wars episode.

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Should we just talk about a savage curtain?

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I can? I say?

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Yeah? Always?

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Was it just the mood I was in that, Like

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the hostage crisis was like a legitimately good episode, but

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I wasn't as like emotionally taken by it as I

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am by other episodes.

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I don't think so, because I felt the same way,

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like it's a solid it's a solid episode, but it

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feels like there is just something lacking. There's not much

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as opposed to previous episodes where I feel, especially with

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the Ryloth episodes, where we had more meat to chew

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on and thinking about like the status quo and what

469
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these things represent. And this episode feels kind of like

470
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.920
a straightforward actioner that just takes place in the Galactic

471
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.119
Senate and it's not necessarily representative any of the politics

472
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.200
represented there in not necessarily a declaration of what the

473
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.119
show is standing for. Instead, it's kind of like a

474
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:10.839
straightforward action or where bounty hunters storm the Senate. Not

475
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.480
much to say, just kind of reflecting some things.

476
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.480
You are bringing up a really good point.

477
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:19.319
Thank you, Thank you so much.

478
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.920
Good job, Kenny, you brought up a such a good point.

479
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:35.400
You're such a good boy one in terms of shape

480
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.279
of show. Literally great to have episodes like that. They

481
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.599
don't always have to be hitting hard on the politics.

482
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.960
It can just be a straightforward action versus and because

483
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.079
I think that's fine, especially the Star Wars A Star

484
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:54.440
Wars in the Floni Zoni, Dave Felony says something very interesting,

485
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.599
which is that they have these bounty hunters that are

486
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.119
as cool as he wanted to Boba Fett to be.

487
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.279
Oh that's uh, yes, because I wrote down that line

488
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.599
from the Floni Zoni. But the way that I heard

489
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.680
it is as cool as Boba Fett was in the

490
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.640
original trilogy. That's key difference. But you just said because

491
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.400
that strikes me as what he probably said, because Boba

492
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:24.119
Fett is a nothing character. And I will stand by

493
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:25.960
that until I die on this planet.

494
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.839
I will too. Luckily you're not going to die on

495
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.880
this planet. You'll die in space. We'll make sure of it.

496
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.240
Well, well, I unpacked that after the recording.

497
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:44.759
Session because I feel the same way, which is I

498
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.160
never like as a person who's been a fan, who

499
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.480
was a fan of Star Wars as a child, and

500
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.200
frankly thought everybody like you know, thought cool, thought fighty

501
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.680
fighting people very cool. I was never I thought Luke

502
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.440
was the coolest. I thought Hana and I cool, you

503
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.200
know what I mean. Like, I'm just trying to say

504
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:06.240
that I did not discriminate on cool. I was never

505
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.240
interested in Boba Fet and I could not actually understand

506
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.000
the obsession with Boa Fet because he never did anything cool.

507
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.319
It's it's extended universe ry.

508
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.720
Right, And I think that's it is that people then

509
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.039
took it, and I feel like that's kind of true too,

510
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.480
even for like Aura Singh, who's like the bound Hander.

511
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.720
There's like one flash of her and the Phantom Menace,

512
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.319
and it's because of like cart it's because of comics

513
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.960
and stuff that people took her. And that's great. You

514
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.440
take your characters and you you like give life to them.

515
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.480
That's wonderful in terms of like whatever is canon of

516
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.319
Star Wars, which whatever the fuck that means, it's never

517
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.240
that interesting to me. So I do find it to

518
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.319
be like because I think that's what I heard was

519
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.799
like wanting to have the cool Bounty Hunters that you

520
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.880
thought you that you've always wanted to have.

521
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.359
Yeah, because he.

522
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.279
Mostly just like follows falls into a sarlac and that's

523
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.319
it for Boba, you know, it's basically well, I guess

524
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.359
he does get for like he does get hans Elo,

525
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:14.200
but like because bad's there, you know what I mean?

526
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:19.000
Like whatever, anyway, he follows them for what it's worth,

527
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.400
that's it. He follows them. That's how it happens. Now

528
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:28.640
Django Fat and with his cool little like boom bombs

529
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.079
and attack the clones. Very cool that I really like.

530
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.359
But you know, but anyway, Sorry, I'm like rambling about this.

531
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.720
I just wonder about that, this idea of like I

532
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.160
don't know if I particularly find the concepts of bounty

533
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.039
hunters without like like bounty hunters without like I mean,

534
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.599
they don't have like a heart of fucking gold or

535
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.920
something like like Cowboy Bebop bounty hunters, right, Like that's

536
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.680
fascinating and interesting to me, but like just straight up

537
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:58.039
batties or like what's her name? The bounty hunter that

538
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:05.240
may not Wing played in Mandalorian Shut sharrek, Shut my god?

539
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:09.319
Why can't I think of it? Am I also getting her?

540
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:11.720
I don't know, give me, give me a second, give

541
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.119
me a second, give me second, give me a second.

542
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.200
But you get what I'm saying, right, You know what

543
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.440
I'm saying is that like it just sort of becomes

544
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.079
like a thing, right Like it's just like sure, that's

545
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.559
it as opposed like it's like that was a cool time,

546
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.440
as opposed to it being ming. Oh I said her name,

547
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:32.240
we're wrong entirely ming naw Win Finnix shand like she's interesting.

548
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.680
I think she be gets to be an interesting character.

549
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:39.759
Yes, so the end they're just cool, yes, And that.

550
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.240
Goes back to aesthetics, right, Like the aesthetics of them

551
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.440
are very cool. There's a fish guy.

552
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:45.839
There is a fish guy.

553
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:47.880
Would die for that fish guy, though.

554
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.440
Stronger things that you need to die for, Aspen.

555
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.519
I'm gonna die in space for the fish.

556
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.799
No, let's let's stop kind of hitting home this thing

557
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:58.640
that we're both going to die in space. We're gonna

558
00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.599
talk about that off air.

559
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:07.160
I don't know it's right that I like right anyway, anyway, I.

560
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.559
Mean greens that. I don't know what the Bounty Hunters

561
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.799
perspectives are in terms of what the show is exploring

562
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.000
in regards to Bounty Hunters. Yet, from what I understand,

563
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.720
we've got more episodes with these Bounty Hunters coming up. Yeah,

564
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.759
so I have a special we're going to be exploring

565
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.240
that a little bit more usually.

566
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.440
But if I guess to be cool as a kid, sorry,

567
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:33.880
I think I think they're the ones he hangs out with,

568
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.119
too cool learns how to be a learns how to

569
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.720
be a little bounty hunter from them?

570
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:44.039
From from what?

571
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:44.880
From them?

572
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.759
Oh? From them? Okay, I thought you were going to

573
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.160
like say a planet or something. No, just you're going

574
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.480
to learn how to be a bounty Hunter from them.

575
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.759
I thought that you were looking at my eyebrows.

576
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.720
I was looking at your eyebrows while also waiting for

577
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:02.279
the rest of the sentence, Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah,

578
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:04.960
it's a pretty good episode. I wish that I had

579
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.920
more to say outside of it. Just like being pretty

580
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.720
pretty good. We do get to see Anakin and Padme

581
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:13.799
actually be direct about their relationship.

582
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:15.680
How do you feel? How do you feel about that? Same?

583
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.519
Certainly better than the ones that are in episode three.

584
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:23.960
I gotta say the bar is extremely low. It's yeah,

585
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:25.559
it could be worse.

586
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.640
Right, because it's like they stuck with Anakin's really bad

587
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.440
at talking about their relationship because the language usage is bad.

588
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.920
But at least it like makes more sense in the context.

589
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.079
Yeah, he's a lot more brash and Padme is a

590
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.640
lot more of a pragmatist.

591
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.240
Yeah, she's also fucking working.

592
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.079
That's true. Anakin should be working.

593
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.279
It was like one of those moments where it was

594
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.240
like she's like writing a report on her little computer.

595
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.400
She's to be debick clicking.

596
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.200
She is busy rafting up a built This is something

597
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.720
that we could talk about. Uh. The Enhanced Privacy Invasion.

598
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.960
Bill, also known as the Patriot Act.

599
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.480
Sure, yeah, for sure, sneaking that into your Clone Wars

600
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:19.360
TV show, which is great. Yep, that's still going on, right,

601
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:26.840
the Patriot Act. Oh yeah, hey. And then not only that,

602
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.039
I'm like, hey, I don't want my location to be tracked.

603
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.400
And then my friends are like why they already know,

604
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.840
and I'm like, that's not a it's not a never mind,

605
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.320
I know, I know. It's fine.

606
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:44.000
Yeah, it's interesting, like little moments like that of she's, yeah,

607
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:49.639
doing this political work that's important. The horror of the thing,

608
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:54.760
right is that she's, oh god, she's doing the essential,

609
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.840
essential political work while these all these machinations are happening

610
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:01.480
despite it all.

611
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.440
Yeah, well, if I understand correctly, she is drafting a

612
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.400
bill to help combat the enhanced invasion or the enhanced

613
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:10.719
privacy invasion bill.

614
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:15.360
Right, Uh you ever want to die? No?

615
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:23.440
No, that's not I can't stop talking about Yeah. So

616
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.679
that's yeah, that's fascinating.

617
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.360
So she's working on the spill and he's like we

618
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.559
should go away, and she's like and he's.

619
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.039
Like, don't padme goes. I'm trying to fight the Patriot Act,

620
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:38.760
and is like, but what if we just kind of

621
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.880
let fascism happen, so I can, so I can get

622
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:42.199
it out.

623
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:47.639
It is kind of interesting the way that Anakin sees

624
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:51.280
this conflict versus the way she sees it. Like I

625
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.840
have always wondered about his sort of tunnel vision around it,

626
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.519
of fighting almost for the sake of fighting, as opposed

627
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.639
to really seeing what makes it go, if that makes sense,

628
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.480
Like to him, I do think that there's a clear

629
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:09.119
black and white to it of like separatis bad, Republic good,

630
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.079
I fight, I'm a good soldier. That clarity is easy

631
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.920
for him, Yes, And that's also a reflection of sort

632
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.480
of the sort of structure of the Jedi and what

633
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.920
leads to a downfall, which is like there's not a

634
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:31.920
lot of space for nuance, especially even about their own capabilities.

635
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.840
And then meanwhile, here's his like whips smart, committed fucking wife,

636
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.039
I don't know when.

637
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.360
Yeah, because a fabulous point. I hope that the show

638
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.000
expands on that, because that's that standing point and a

639
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:53.400
great character dynamic, because perhaps Pad may, perhaps Pad may

640
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.920
find something refreshing in that almost naivete within Anakin, and

641
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.760
that sometimes thinks can be that simple, can't it? Things

642
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.960
can just be good, Things can just be evil versus

643
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:10.639
padme having to work within the pipes that is the

644
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:16.280
Senate and seeing how all of these machinations work and

645
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.159
everything has got to be gradations, and how much has

646
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.159
she had to sacrifice in order to get an Ioto

647
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.960
good because things are so broken from the ground.

648
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:31.920
Up, even wonder like what kind of I mean, it

649
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:39.639
was all all created, all planned by Palpatine. You can

650
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.880
imagine what a like post war Anakin would look like

651
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:48.039
who hadn't gone to the dark side. Yeah, he almost

652
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.199
strikes me as like he'd be like Jeremy Renner's character

653
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.880
from hurt Locker, Like he just like couldn't fucking do it,

654
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.079
Like the complexity of the thing he just couldn't handle

655
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:02.639
or manage. Yeah, And I think that's just, you know,

656
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.679
it's a it's sort of by like who he is,

657
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.599
and also the way he's been raised, the kinds of

658
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:15.480
situations he has been plopped into, it's forced into, yeah,

659
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.119
and forced the force. I think it's a really good

660
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.480
point that maybe maybe from the perspective of bad may

661
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.159
to be like, yeah, this is just like nice, but

662
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.039
I don't have to like all.

663
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.440
Of this is kind of assumption versus possibly what's on

664
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.159
the page because in episode two they get together because

665
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.119
the plot has to have them get together.

666
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.360
Well, it's because they are in love.

667
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.079
Yeah, no, no, no, no, it's because I'm so in

668
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:47.920
love with you. Oh gosh, right, so love has blended you.

669
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:51.880
Not exactly.

670
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:55.719
God, I hate it.

671
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:56.559
I hate it.

672
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.320
So meet this one are God.

673
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.960
Yeah, but you're right. He die hards in this movie.

674
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.599
He does die hard. He does, which is I mean,

675
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.559
that's also just a clever notion something that Gandhi did

676
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:13.159
in the two D clone Wars of being Like what

677
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.000
would a Jedi be like without their lightsaber? You saw

678
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.840
that in the first Mace Window episode.

679
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.639
Yeah, that one, and he was still scary, like extreme,

680
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.440
still impressive, Like he gets taken down and he only

681
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.320
gets taken down by the most impressive but yeah, most

682
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:34.880
impressive by blood of them and like, but yeah, it's

683
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:35.639
still pretty rad.

684
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:37.920
Yeah, oh my god.

685
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.519
Anyway, it's just yes, it's pretty solid, some solid ship.

686
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.880
You know what was not solid?

687
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.400
Not that? Not fish Guy because he was solid. Ye

688
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:56.320
love fish Guy. Let's talk about savage curtain, right, Okay, okay,

689
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:57.559
I mean yeah.

690
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.480
So Jeene shows up and he's like, all right, I

691
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:05.000
gave myself some assignments to write this week, because he

692
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.800
assigned himself two episodes this year, this one and turn

693
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.159
About Intruder, which we'll get to.

694
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.039
Does that one better?

695
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.320
It'll be left up to you ask man, Oh god,

696
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:21.800
I want this to be over. What do you think

697
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.360
of this episode? Right, it's pretty obvious what we thought

698
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.280
about this episode. This is like a Sleepy Sours episode

699
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.239
where literally we've seen all of this before.

700
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.840
Yeah, I guess. I just it's like I said when

701
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.119
I saw I ever have Lincoln all on what I'm

702
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:46.880
so thrilled because what the fuck? Like, that's so weird,

703
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:48.559
so weird.

704
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.639
It's another one of those episodes where for an act

705
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.840
and a half, Kirk is going around, well, people are

706
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.960
going going around being like, truly, it can't be Abraham Lincoln, right, right,

707
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:06.360
you can't. He thinks he's Abraham Lincoln. We all agree

708
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.719
that's crazy, right, they can't be for an act and

709
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:10.119
a half.

710
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:12.519
For an act and a half, favorite like he has

711
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:14.760
like all like the specific things you do when the

712
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:18.679
president comes on deck and whatever, and the music and

713
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.360
every like got to look good in their specific nice

714
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.159
uniforms and stuff, and everyone's just like, Jim, you're crazy,

715
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.480
and Scott is like, I kind of believe it. What

716
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.519
if it's Robert Burns and it's just like what.

717
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.760
Sorry, what if it's rubber Bands Robert Burns? Is that

718
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:40.920
Robert Burns? I'm just.

719
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:43.360
Robbie Burns.

720
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:44.920
I don't know who's Robbie Burns.

721
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.760
I don't know. Am I naming the wrong guy?

722
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.800
Who are you talking about? I don't know.

723
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.719
I'm just naming a Scottish person.

724
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.079
What's a Scottish poet and lyricist? He is widely regarded

725
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.960
as the national poet of Scotland and itself upraided worldwide.

726
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.639
Yep, oh, I don't think he's but yeah, I don't

727
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.000
know if that's the way name. I just picked the

728
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.639
only famous Scottish person who's like, not Tony Blair I knew,

729
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:14.079
or David Tennant.

730
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:21.559
Uh uh, he said. Scotty says President Lincoln. Indeed, no doubt,

731
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.559
to be followed by Louisa France and Robert I'm doing

732
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:29.039
more Scottish than Scotty does. Louisa francaid Robert the Bruce,

733
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.360
and Kirk says, and if so, mister Scott will execute

734
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:36.199
appropriate honors each Robert the Bruce, your reference is better

735
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.039
than the one that run very main.

736
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:45.199
Good job, he's so much Robert Barns truly deserves presidential

737
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.880
accolotes and yeah or whatever it might be. Oh my god,

738
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.360
did you know Tony Blair was Scottish?

739
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.360
I did not know that Tony Blair was Scottish.

740
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:59.679
There's this such a like a discriminate discrimination against Scottish

741
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.639
people in the UK of like being like, oh, they're poor,

742
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.800
they like their accent is like like their low brow

743
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.719
and stuff. And so Tony Blair Scottish took on an

744
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.960
English like received pronunciation accent, and I think people just

745
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:14.559
didn't even.

746
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.360
Know, Like, fun fact, isn't David Tennant Scottish?

747
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:23.239
Yes, sure is. Yeah, so his natural accent Scottish and

748
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.079
he's like the doctor. Yeah, it takes on a just

749
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:27.679
a yeah, it's just a typical.

750
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.199
Yeah, but we're not talking about doctor who. We're talking

751
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:32.039
about the Savage Curtain.

752
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:39.800
A savage curtain. Yeah, sorry, sorry, Yeah.

753
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.360
Let's see what episodes is Geene Roddenberry stealing from.

754
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.400
Uh Chrick Skellian is the first thing I.

755
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:52.360
Thought of, Arena for sure, right, oh yeah, the second

756
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.679
half of the episode is definitely arena as well. Freaking

757
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:04.920
who mourns for aDNA by encountering, encountering something, encountering a

758
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.679
person in space that you shouldn't be encountering in space.

759
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.079
Yep uh, these are the voyages by Mark Christmas. Susan A.

760
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.079
Burren's Coos season three also says Specter of the Gun

761
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:20.840
because they're forcing people to fight.

762
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:27.719
Wait, the Specter of the Gun the cool okay, kral one, Yeah,

763
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.480
but that one's cool. That's what I was thinking of, Like,

764
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.960
what's a good comparison point? And I actually do think

765
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.559
Specter of the Gun does come closest. And that is

766
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.239
just such a cool episode that like nothing could touch

767
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:43.039
it for me. I like, I love that episode so much.

768
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.519
I was just thinking I was thinking about watching this one.

769
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.719
And I was like, because I got so much. That

770
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.880
one's got style at the Wazoo Man. Yeah, so well,

771
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:56.440
and this episode.

772
00:44:56.280 --> 00:45:02.239
Is an episode who it's slow. There's just not much happening,

773
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:03.079
I mean.

774
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:10.719
But kind of slow, like slow as in bad follow.

775
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.159
Oh. I was deeply distracted watching this one. I had

776
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:18.280
to stop, like searching online for cool boots. I was like, Aspen,

777
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.360
you have to do your work. But I did buy

778
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:22.519
the boots today, so thank you.

779
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:24.119
Thank you.

780
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.000
I'm glad that it was worth it in the end,

781
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:34.639
you know, yeah, I mean, okay, So Abraham Lincoln the

782
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.440
whole concept, right, tell me if I'm right, the.

783
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:43.079
Whole He got hat and he's tall, and I was

784
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:48.119
burdened with glorious purpose. Now now now I'm quoting Lincoln

785
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:50.760
on my shelf.

786
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.920
Does he say that? Does he say burden mc glory's purpose.

787
00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:01.119
Yes, this movie hawks Gosh, Lincoln garious purpose. He is

788
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.119
birded with glorious purpose.

789
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:05.639
I don't like what Spielberg.

790
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.159
You don't like. You don't like latter day Spielberg. You

791
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:10.440
think he's running everything.

792
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.480
In Boring Spielberg. I don't know.

793
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:13.199
That's not true.

794
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:13.639
I like you.

795
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:15.400
It's so good.

796
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:16.920
I'm sure Lincoln is extraordinary.

797
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.800
Actually, I think it's really good because it's talking about

798
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.000
more like how he got the Thirteenth Amendment past, and

799
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.039
the answer is by playing politics.

800
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.079
Great. I mean it would be. It's not just like

801
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.159
he showed up and he just had like force of

802
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.159
just being a cool guy. You know, I think I've

803
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.679
always been a little fun fact about me. This will

804
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:44.119
be not surprising to anyone. Anytime someone is like seems

805
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.480
like a nightmare on set. It makes me not want

806
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:50.639
to watch a movie. And Daniel day Lewis is like

807
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:55.400
was is a genius? Right, but like the method acting

808
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.760
of it all is so like well who said it was?

809
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.800
Like there was like someone like some actor who was

810
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:04.440
asked like, do you have a do method acting? And

811
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:05.760
they're like, no, it's called acting.

812
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:11.320
That's like why I don't the Lawrence Olivier and Dustin

813
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.199
Hoffman story where.

814
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:14.199
Oh that's it, that's it.

815
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.320
Yes, that's it the Olivier Like, next time Dustin try acting?

816
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.960
Yeah, like and I and I get it, like truly

817
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.519
it was phenomenal, like and its best version of it

818
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:28.599
is Daniel day Lewis and Lincoln right, and its worst

819
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:33.559
version is Jared leto mailing ship, you know to coworkers

820
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:38.960
like wized like and I I just I don't have

821
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:40.480
a lot of space for.

822
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:42.920
That.

823
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.079
I just don't a lot of space for that. You

824
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:46.960
know what? I should watch link because it sounds like

825
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:47.320
it was.

826
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:52.039
Rad It's really good. Tommy Lee Jones is a career best.

827
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.199
The dialogue sounds like music, beautiful stuff good.

828
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.440
I watch it. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. Oh

829
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.000
stop yelling at me.

830
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.559
In regards to Lincoln. Uh, Abraham Lincoln, not Lincoln in

831
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:12.119
the car? Oh sure, Dorothy Fontana your idol? My girl said, yeah.

832
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.880
From These Are the Voyages tos Season three by Mark

833
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:18.960
Cushman and Susan Osborne. By the book, Lincoln was Jean's big,

834
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.440
big idol. There was a lot of how do you

835
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:26.480
say it? Lee Kogna in the house. I never saw

836
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.280
the Savage Curtain, but it didn't surprise me that Gene

837
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.039
wrote it because he was such a fan of Lincoln.

838
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:34.000
He thought that Lincoln, in his thinking and what he did,

839
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:43.599
was probably the greatest president we ever had. And then yeah,

840
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.880
so he was right about that. He's wanting to write

841
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.400
about violence on TV. She was covered in bread and

842
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:58.320
circuses and they These Are the Voyages. Actually makes the

843
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.840
parallel that the idea for the Sage Curtain came to

844
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.039
Roddenberry when he was writing a memo to NBC telling

845
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.519
them about the latest script turned in by Gene Kuhn

846
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:10.840
the Last Gunfight otherwise known as Specter of the Gun

847
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.519
otherwise known as the Okay Corral episode. So Gene is

848
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.679
literally writing a memo about that episode and pitches a

849
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:26.840
story that is basically that episode, what kind of memo

850
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.000
was it? Uh?

851
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:28.559
It is?

852
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.679
It is literally I don't have the entire memo here,

853
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.119
I literally just have the plot synopsis here, which is

854
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.280
kirkn'spock cap alienated, a vastly superior race whose motive execution

855
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.000
is to arrange an entertaining death from colorful history of

856
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.760
the subjects leads of all their futuristic gear and weapons.

857
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.920
The Enterprise captain and his science officer must faced the

858
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:49.920
most vicious gun man in Western history.

859
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.719
Oh oh, I see god, there is just memo about

860
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:55.320
the Yeah.

861
00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.880
Yeah, and then instead of our excalbion guy, instead we

862
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.000
were going to have a character called the playwright.

863
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:14.400
Okay, sure, I yeah, I there's nothing wrong with this, Like,

864
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.880
at its core the idea of having actual Lincoln like

865
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.920
someone who So it makes sense that Jeane Roddenberry absolutely

866
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:30.519
idolized him because Kirk idolizes him too. But like like

867
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.599
Kirk idolizes him, he sees him as the same, Like

868
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.199
clearly it's the same thing. It's like, I this was.

869
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:44.760
I wonder sometimes, having not seen the film Lincoln, about

870
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.960
the simplicity of being able to idolize Lincoln when you're

871
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.519
writing in a time of it's the sixties, you're in

872
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.280
the middle, like it's the civil rights movement, like that,

873
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:02.519
the politics of eighteen sixty five are going to be complicated,

874
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.239
and he's not going to be a perfect saint of

875
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.880
a person. He's going to hold in the same way

876
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:17.320
that FDR also one of our greatest presidents, also locked

877
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.079
Japanese Americans up in Japanese people in internment camps. Like

878
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:27.280
there is no running this country and doing it as

879
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.079
a pure saint, Like there just isn't. And I wonder

880
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.239
if there's a simplicity, it's being able to look back

881
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.519
on that and be like, ah, perfection of person.

882
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:41.360
There's a simplicity. And I dare say that something that

883
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.320
we talked about since the beginning of this podcast, the

884
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.360
Great Man narrative, right, And no wonder that Gene would

885
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.440
be a fan of Lincoln because he buys into the

886
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.719
Great Man narrative, and then Gene himself spends the Great

887
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:59.199
Man narrative ununtil his dying days going around a college campus.

888
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:03.599
Has gone to science conventions, correspondence with Star Trek fans,

889
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.519
and he is never really able to He's never really

890
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.039
able to recapture the same magic with doing something new,

891
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.960
but gosh darn itt is he able to spin a

892
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.840
to weave a web of how great of a man

893
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.039
he was during Star Trek fighting all those sensors and

894
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.679
fighting for the first black kiss on TV, fighting for

895
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.039
all of these things. Boy, what he truly is the

896
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.760
great bird of the galaxy. I Meanwhile, in this episode,

897
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.800
he wrote the first two acts and then was like,

898
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:35.079
I'm done. I've got two other feature films in development. Piece,

899
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.880
And so he wrote the first two acts and gave

900
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.599
them over to Arthur Heinemann, who, in his debats, wrote

901
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.599
two other episodes that we really dig, The Way to

902
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:48.599
Eden and Wink of an Eye.

903
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:54.719
Sure, yeah, And I mean, like, how how else? Like

904
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:59.800
there is an interesting like the struggle of how to

905
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.480
you like, sorry, no, actually I want to stick with

906
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.239
the great man stuff. But I do want to say

907
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:33.239
Tosamen's Credian Vegan and that is and I love Lucy

908
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:41.239
reference for all of you. God, what are you talking about?

909
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:43.519
Yeah?

910
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.960
Yeah, I do want to say tomins The way that

911
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.320
he does end it from what he's given is pretty

912
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.920
pretty okay. Like there is this sort of like how

913
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.360
would these people have placed in this situation manage this thing?

914
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.280
So whatever the episode of kirk AND's back being like

915
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.639
what was all that for? Yeahs were like because we

916
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.280
had to know and kirkans Bach if I recall, well

917
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.880
primarily Kurt as opposed to like some great resolution, there's

918
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:16.880
a sense of exasperation, right for everything that has taking place,

919
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.280
right right.

920
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.239
You're right and okay, so yeah, great man narrative.

921
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:22.360
We're talking about great Man narratives.

922
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:26.599
Great Man narratives, TM. We've talked about it at length.

923
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:37.719
I'm so tired of it. I just think, imagine living

924
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:41.800
your life and not like adapting to the new beautiful

925
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:44.679
things that come into and like being like what is

926
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.559
the new? Just thinking about the idea of like clinging

927
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.320
to something of the past when it's like what is

928
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.760
it that matters most to you? And I guess it

929
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:55.280
must be that it must be the past and the

930
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.679
way that it once felt, as opposed to being like

931
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.480
what are those new seasons of my life? This is

932
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:06.320
mostly just me waxing on about my perceived understanding of

933
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:10.800
Jean Rodenberry's life. I don't know. Also, I'm just done

934
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.840
with great man not is because we know how I

935
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:19.760
feel right now about populists and men who think they're

936
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:25.679
great in our present and not yet. I'm fine. That

937
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:26.840
was my sad song for you.

938
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:27.320
It's fine.

939
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:32.800
Uh yeah, it's I almost like at this point, I'm

940
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:38.119
just like cool dude, so what you know, as opposed

941
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:41.320
to being interested in examining it much at all anymore.

942
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.800
It's interesting to examine a retrospect and also freaking even

943
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.280
Jeene Roddenberry, who is so attached with a Star Trek.

944
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:50.159
Uh.

945
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.400
Even Gene at this point is like, I'm checked out, y'all.

946
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.000
I'm writing a movie, I'm working on other stuff. I'm

947
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.400
going to be more than the Star Trek guy. Yeah,

948
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.440
and attempting to move on. But at the same time,

949
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:07.480
like you said, he is, he's injecting his things that

950
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.800
he wants to examine, which makes sense. That's what writers do,

951
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:14.719
That's what creatives do. They hopefully inject some sort of

952
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.360
thing that they are interested in examining. It's just that,

953
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.039
you know, this episode isn't really good and it hasn't

954
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:27.760
examined anything new. There's no new style to it. Yeah,

955
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.159
it's just there. There is not that much to say

956
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.039
outside of like giving a shrak.

957
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.920
Is curious. Okay, I will say what is good about

958
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:44.199
this episode? I do think the different characters are very cool.

959
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.639
I think, especially if they are reincarnations of those real people,

960
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:50.599
pretty awesome.

961
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:56.039
The perceptions of who these people are to our characters.

962
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.239
It's not Lincoln. It's how Kirk thinks Lincoln.

963
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.960
Is right, which is why it's not like reincarnation. That's

964
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.440
why it's not actually these people. It's how they're perceived.

965
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:08.760
That's an interesting thing, but it's not really examined.

966
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.079
But yeah, they don't really go into it because I

967
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:16.400
do think if there was any type of complexity in

968
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:20.760
the perception that Kirk has of Lincoln, what would it

969
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.519
look like, Let's just throw this out there, for Lincoln

970
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:27.239
to let him down, you know, like what would that mean?

971
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.880
What would it mean for your great man to like

972
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.119
what it is is he basically he doesn't let him

973
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:39.039
down so much as he does sacrifice himself for I

974
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:41.400
mean like, yeah, I mean he doesn't he doesn't let

975
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.679
him down. Yeah, he's brave, and that's like it, you know,

976
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.519
But what if it were that he decided, actually I

977
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.159
am going to like engage in bloodlust and this is

978
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.119
like a thing I'm going to do. Like how interesting

979
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:57.360
that or what's the Volcanscharrector's name again, Sirrak Surrac also

980
00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:58.239
someone who.

981
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:02.519
Is willing to die for his idealism, because Sir X

982
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:07.000
says in that there's something there's something there to be

983
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:12.679
said about the natures of good and evil, because as

984
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:14.920
we've seen demonstrated time and time again, evil will not

985
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.480
stop until it achieves his goal. And as we have

986
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:19.480
seen so many times, things that we perceive as good

987
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.920
are willing to cave over and over and over again

988
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.000
because of idealism, and they're wanting to what their ideals

989
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.519
stand forward. And meanwhile, how many things have to suffer

990
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.199
because we are we are negotiating the notions of how

991
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.159
good can we be? How will we be sacrificing our ideals? Meanwhile,

992
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:41.159
Colonel Green and Kalss and gangkhis Khan and Zora are like,

993
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:43.639
we should make sharper spears.

994
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:48.320
You are actually nailing with the episode starting to be

995
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.760
about but wasn't actually about Yeah, that's what it is

996
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:55.480
like if because I do think that Kirk is reflecting

997
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.800
an idea of like we have to like.

998
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.800
Free, have to Yes, another episode is stealing from it's

999
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:05.760
freaking the enemy within remember yeah, right, because it was

1000
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.199
regily like splitting Kirk up into good Kirk people Kirk.

1001
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.920
But as we saw it was more complex than that.

1002
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:17.800
Yes, that like it like I exactly what you just

1003
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.000
said is way more interesting for me that It's like

1004
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.559
when as opposed to being like, oh, turns out you

1005
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.079
were willing to fight, and he's like yeah, because you

1006
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:31.559
literally said you would kill my crew and there's no

1007
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:34.079
other option here, and he's just like, okay, looks like

1008
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:36.239
good is just as bad as evil, bye bye bye,

1009
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.800
like and you're like, okay, no, like the rules are

1010
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.079
stupid if it were more of a conver like and

1011
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:42.559
that's why.

1012
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.840
Sorry that my crew deserves to live. While you are

1013
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.039
exercise where you were taking conducting a literal exercise? What

1014
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:50.119
is the fairness in that?

1015
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.840
Right? And I think what you're getting at, which I

1016
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.159
think is being is being colored also by our current

1017
00:59:56.559 --> 01:00:00.679
ways that we feel, which is to say, what point

1018
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:06.800
are like are we caving? Like? And I'm not necessarily

1019
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:11.280
saying that, like something should be achieved through violence, But

1020
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:15.000
it's not as though the violence itself is black and white.

1021
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.000
There is not. It's not like there is good, like

1022
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:19.920
it's just not like what am I trying to say,

1023
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.400
it's not like the violence is bad all the time.

1024
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.840
I am also not trying to be like a little warhawk, right,

1025
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.519
but I do think I.

1026
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.239
Will say that on your face. For few people that

1027
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.280
are listening to the audio version, you have what is

1028
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.519
stenciled on your face too, are going to be a

1029
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:37.800
bald eagle with guns.

1030
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:45.920
It's bullets, bullet bullets, real big ones, big ones that

1031
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:49.000
just go boom boom boom boom boo boom, specific ones

1032
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.119
that have names.

1033
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:51.920
What's your favorite?

1034
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:59.000
Oh yeah, I would say a more Mortimer five, the

1035
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:11.039
what Mandibal six five, A mookty milkty ten.

1036
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:15.679
Yeah, but you.

1037
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.920
It's just you know, guns, got so many of them,

1038
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.719
just so into them, just now all their names.

1039
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:26.400
Wow.

1040
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.239
Wow, Uh, you are making more interesting note, which is

1041
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.400
can I can I just share a little thing that

1042
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.039
you are making me think about that has nothing to

1043
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:39.920
do this episode, but what you were making me think about.

1044
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:45.920
I'm having this current vibe feeling with our current political

1045
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:53.239
situation of wanting the equivalent of the nasty Republican Party

1046
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.360
wanting the same kind of like dirty fighting bullshit on

1047
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.360
our side. I want the equivalent of I want I

1048
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.400
don't want they go low we go high, I want

1049
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.119
they go low, we go lower? Do you I want

1050
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.719
it so bad? And I want to just like I

1051
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.000
just want people if they are told a thing, they

1052
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:14.679
are going to they're going to believe it. And it

1053
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:19.000
takes so much more to undo the falsehood, right like

1054
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:23.119
played by the fucking rules? What a gun damn like nightmare?

1055
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.079
Like Kevin Newsome in there, you know, Like I don't know, do.

1056
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.920
You want a president that's bring a full circle? Do

1057
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.679
you want a president that's willing to suspend habeas corpus?

1058
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:32.239
Oh?

1059
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:38.199
Like Lincoln? Again was he a perfon man?

1060
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.599
Oh? But he got fourteenth Amendment passed, right?

1061
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:45.239
Or a president who was willing to fucking in turn

1062
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.960
Japanese Americans? I know? But also how we're not playing

1063
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.119
We're not playing by any fucking rules anymore, like you

1064
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:55.880
know what I mean, Like I think we're Oh, I'm

1065
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.000
getting this is this is what I'm talking about right

1066
01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.519
here is like a two hour long conversation.

1067
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.079
Well, I mean, we can pull this back into the

1068
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.000
terms of the nineteen sixties and where TV was in

1069
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:09.039
the nineteen sixties, which is sure living in a world

1070
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.559
where good must always triumph over evil at least within

1071
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.719
the art that we are consuming at the time, and

1072
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:17.559
so too was TV trying to reflect that, as These

1073
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:19.559
Are the Voyages season three by Mark Cushman is and

1074
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.039
Osborne makes great pains to clarify.

1075
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:29.159
Why what because of things like Vietnam we are living

1076
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.039
or because we're still so close to World War two

1077
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:32.000
and post World War two?

1078
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:34.719
Let us forget nineteen let us not forget that in

1079
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:39.840
nineteen sixty eight we had RFK was shot Martin Luther King,

1080
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:44.239
Smartin Luther King. Vietnam is going on, and there are

1081
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.840
concerned parents across America that TV is reflecting an extremely

1082
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.679
violent culture, which is I see extremely true, and so

1083
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:55.320
too our television broadcast standards attempting to try and curtail

1084
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.519
some of these more violent tendencies. Well, I won't go

1085
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.599
into all of that. I guess the original versions of it,

1086
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.760
at least, as talked about in These Are the Voyages,

1087
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:05.920
the original version of the Savage Current was going to

1088
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:11.360
be a lot more violent and they scaled it back,

1089
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:18.440
which all right, yes, yeah, I don't really recall what

1090
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.599
the point that I was going to make otherwise, other

1091
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:22.719
than that maybe some of those corners that we could

1092
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:28.239
have used were standed off because of standards and practices

1093
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.519
of the time, because we live in a honky dory

1094
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:35.599
world where good must always try it over equal and

1095
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:40.360
it's not Yes, as they stated in The Enemy Within,

1096
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.000
it's not necessarily living within that binary.

1097
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:47.079
Sure, well, well, well here.

1098
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:49.679
We are here, we are indeed left with a lackluster

1099
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.880
episode that is again, as we stated so many times,

1100
01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:56.079
and so too will I stayed again an episode with

1101
01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:58.840
a lackluster execution or its greatest idea, which is space

1102
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.800
for hand Lincoln. It doesn't really go then, doesn't really

1103
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:02.360
go anywhere.

1104
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:04.960
Just so people know who I haven't seen this episode,

1105
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.960
and make no mistake, you don't have to see this episode.

1106
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.639
The way that he appears his first appearance is that

1107
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.599
he's just like in space, like they're like something's coming

1108
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:21.239
on screen, and he just comes toward like the camera

1109
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:28.599
sitting down like the Lincoln memorial and just appears and materializes,

1110
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:31.559
just sitting down, and he's just like, it's.

1111
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:35.400
Me, it's me, hid the problem, It's me.

1112
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:41.440
DoD You ever watch Clone High No, That is a

1113
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.239
great that's a great example of what you can do

1114
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:47.360
with Abraham Link. You can turn him into a teenager

1115
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:50.480
and making the main character of your cartoon show. That

1116
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:57.039
show slapped, that's all? Who did it better than the

1117
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:58.840
star Trek Clone high.

1118
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.039
A long time ago? Start dating?

1119
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:05.639
This week?

1120
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:10.480
I courted a boat, I dated a geek, but none

1121
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:17.320
of them could warp my drive into hyper space. The

1122
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:21.199
best of both worlds kept me in the second place.

1123
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:29.480
Captain slog on a Holla kron. I wanted a song.

1124
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:35.199
I penned a song. Seventeen more minutes advise in super

1125
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:46.920
high def aboard the USS Enterprise dt' don't you take

1126
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.559
my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my

1127
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.480
wretchered buddy and nip it? If you spill the tea,

1128
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:55.800
I'm gonna sip it.

1129
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.800
I starship, It's what are we doing right now?

1130
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.519
Hi? We're gonna We're gonna name our favorite ships, their

1131
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:08.159
favorite ships in space where you're going to die, my

1132
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:09.840
favorite romantic ships.

1133
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.000
Yeah, outstanding? Would you care to go first? This week?

1134
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.599
I did not prepare. You know how often I don't

1135
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:18.920
prepare for my own studios?

1136
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.719
Oh boy, every single week the segment isn't going anywhere else.

1137
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:24.360
I'm so sorry.

1138
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:26.039
All right, I can I'll go ahead and go first

1139
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:28.840
because I did prepare, and I will start with the

1140
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:35.880
course on taxicab from hostage crisis. What the course on taxicab?

1141
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:38.199
Oh, that's really nice.

1142
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.599
The course on taxicab what can be described as a

1143
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:48.480
flying bubba fat tea with an open compartment. And please listeners,

1144
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.320
correct me if we have already used uh, the the

1145
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:57.840
flying vehicle. I got that. That that is the course

1146
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:02.440
on taxicab. But they get in it and they're flying around. Uh.

1147
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.840
And not only that, but it's got a weird uh

1148
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.079
side car. It's not really a side car so much

1149
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.320
as it is kind of like an extra attachment at

1150
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.000
the end, just for zero, the hut, the toe.

1151
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.880
I loved that because I like that. Yeah, it's like

1152
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.720
the sidecar, but it's like it's just connected and so

1153
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:22.359
it like swings them around a little bit, which is

1154
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:23.479
just absurd.

1155
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:24.640
It's absurd.

1156
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:28.239
It's absurd, and so, you know, I like it.

1157
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:33.359
It's like a little convertible. I mine, I know, mine,

1158
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:34.640
what's yours?

1159
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.600
Abraham Lincoln's flying space Chair.

1160
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.279
Oh boy, you're not gonna get much better than that

1161
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:51.279
space chair. The mileages on that space chair.

1162
01:08:52.960 --> 01:09:00.319
Gas guzzlers awful, ship man, and you know that gas

1163
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:06.800
is expensive and spares. It's like like whoa bunch of

1164
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:10.399
john ship credits, gold plate a latinum.

1165
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:13.920
Wow, that's it.

1166
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.840
Man. He just flies materializes on his little chair. What

1167
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.000
happens to his chair? He disappears. It's really a bummer

1168
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:21.279
because it's a good chair.

1169
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:25.720
Maybe the real Abraham Lincoln space chair or the ideals

1170
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:26.640
he held too.

1171
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.119
Yeah, like suspension of habeas corpus.

1172
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.279
That's right, now, that's right.

1173
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.920
We totally Oh, I've got it. Please sorry, go on,

1174
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:39.479
No no no, no, no, no no no you do

1175
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:41.920
you do your your ship ship, your romantic ship.

1176
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.279
It's too juicy, it's too juicy. Ass when please, what

1177
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:46.720
is your ship of the week?

1178
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:52.439
It's Abraham Lincoln and uhura, oh boy.

1179
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:56.439
Yeah, we didn't even talk about what about that?

1180
01:09:57.439 --> 01:09:59.079
I just made it mind so we could talk about that.

1181
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:07.359
Well one, here's the thing they wanted to be like, Hey,

1182
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:15.159
this man is from a time period where slavery was around,

1183
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.520
and he passes helps pass the thirteenth Amendment and so

1184
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.119
and he kind of comes in and he calls her

1185
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:30.000
a name, and it feels weird, especially by our current standards,

1186
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.960
and but he's just like, oh, but it's like a compliment,

1187
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.560
but also probably like my words might be like weird

1188
01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:44.439
right now, and she's like, hey, there's nothing about me

1189
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:48.159
that I like that we feel any shame about in

1190
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:52.159
terms of our differences. Now, it's a very weird response, actually,

1191
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:53.640
especially given that.

1192
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:56.439
I'm gonna look down the barrel of my webcam.

1193
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.199
This is a actually my ship. I just wanted to

1194
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:02.760
bring this up. I want to do a real ship

1195
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:04.560
because I don't like this as I'm talking about it.

1196
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:06.680
I just wanted to talk about it because it's I'm

1197
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:09.279
remembering it and we didn't actually mention it.

1198
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.840
Lists if you could take my reaction to make a gift.

1199
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:19.000
Yeah, this good, this good? Oh you look so close shared.

1200
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:20.239
It's just it's just a weird one.

1201
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.920
It's a very concerning, very gene Roddenberry line.

1202
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.840
Yeah, because and I'm not I'm not quoting it correctly,

1203
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.479
but it just it just also isn't true given all

1204
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.399
the other things that happen in the show, is it.

1205
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:33.600
Maybe it's not true. I think it is true, but

1206
01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:37.960
like you still have different kinds of inconsistencies, Like you

1207
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:40.680
still have her addressing the fact that she's a woman,

1208
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:44.800
and they're like different expectations around that or like differences

1209
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:48.800
and things. The fact that like Spock as a vulcan

1210
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:53.119
is insulted and othered in the first season more so

1211
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.760
than later seasons. Right, So this kind of sentiment of

1212
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:59.039
like this is just not something we just like take

1213
01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:01.720
offense to because all these differences are celebrated is just

1214
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.560
like untrue in the context of the show and has

1215
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.039
the very like white liberals sort of just like oh

1216
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:10.680
my god, like we did it color bline, gold line.

1217
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:14.279
Oh my god. I'm glad they didn't push it too

1218
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.600
much further than they pushed it, like it was already

1219
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:21.039
like frankly cringe enough. That's not my ship.

1220
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:22.920
I just remember that, that's not your ship.

1221
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:24.960
No, because as soon as they started to say it,

1222
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:30.000
I was like, I don't like it. I don't like it. Wow,

1223
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:39.439
good thing we have word processing these days. Click click delete, delete, delete, delete, backspace, backspace, backspace,

1224
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:45.880
Get out that get out that white white out man?

1225
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:46.439
Remember why?

1226
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:50.880
Yeah? I had to explain what whiteout was to Heidi

1227
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.760
last week? What so I was talking about I gotta

1228
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.560
a show not of this. I might did you cut

1229
01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:57.920
this out?

1230
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.880
But I think one of the monkeys is mother are invented?

1231
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:09.880
Yes? Yes, Uh, Peter Tork, I don't know how I

1232
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:14.479
know that, but anyways, I was explaining the concept of

1233
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.439
alimony Tony Paul F. Tompkins's character from comedy Bang Bang. Oh,

1234
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.479
sure you do you know this character? No, but I'm

1235
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:23.600
not surprised alimony Tony.

1236
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:24.359
Uh.

1237
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.680
He's a character who loves to pay alimony. It's one

1238
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:27.920
of his favorites of the world.

1239
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:31.279
That's funny.

1240
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:33.479
And so he keeps getting married. None of the none

1241
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:35.560
of the marriages works out, but it's okay because he

1242
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:38.800
loves paying alimony. He's great friends with all of his axes. Anyways,

1243
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.760
he has a limitless amount of money because his mother

1244
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:44.159
is the inventor of gashes paper.

1245
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:51.079
It's really good here. Let me let's do a reel.

1246
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:57.039
Let's do a real ship, My real ship, my real ship.

1247
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:01.079
You look like a shy six year old who is

1248
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:03.960
scared to do their solo for the talent show.

1249
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:14.560
My realp is going to be I don't know what's yours.

1250
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.399
My ship is going to be Zora and Gang is Khan.

1251
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:21.640
Okay, good, good, good, that's a good one. That's a

1252
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:24.039
good one. I was wondering. She didn't say anything. The

1253
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:25.359
entire fucking episode.

1254
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.079
And I think Ganghis Khan might have had one line.

1255
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.760
Yeah, maybe Jesus Christ.

1256
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:36.279
And so I imagine because they were so focused on

1257
01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:40.520
their intense, white hot passions for each other that they

1258
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:45.520
didn't have too much to suggest to the evil machinations

1259
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.520
that Colonel Green was kind of putting together.

1260
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:51.920
Yeah, okay, I like this.

1261
01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:55.600
I like this. Also, while we're talking about Colonel Green,

1262
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.319
I love the way that Colonel Green starts out, which

1263
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.119
is just like, let's settle it. He uses diplomacy as

1264
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:05.000
a weapon, and I'm like, yeah, of course we see

1265
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:06.199
that all the time.

1266
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:10.560
Right, gross. Okay, that's a good one. That's a good one.

1267
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.600
Bad guy, my Okay, here's my real one.

1268
01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:16.800
Hold on, I gotta write that down. Zora and Gang

1269
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:18.319
is Gone, is gone.

1270
01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:20.079
Here's my real one.

1271
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:28.560
Fish Guy mm hmm and cat Baine and cat Bane

1272
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.319
is it? Because fish Guy's at the right height for things.

1273
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:35.520
You know what I'm saying, thatst thing. You know what

1274
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:35.920
I'm saying.

1275
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:41.399
I don't even want you to expand. Mostly I just

1276
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.760
wanted fish boy to have love.

1277
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:46.960
What is that character's name?

1278
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.600
Oh no, if I love that fish guys so much,

1279
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:52.560
and I think that.

1280
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.600
I gotta tell you. I typed in hostage crisis and

1281
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.239
go and uh, unsurprisingly actual hostage popped out.

1282
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:06.680
Ron and yeah, yeah, yeah, and like, yeah, seeking well,

1283
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.960
what's the seventies? Okay? I was trying to think I

1284
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.199
want him to be I wanted him to be paired

1285
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:15.640
with someone so bad, so I was I was just picking.

1286
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:20.199
And he has definitely a relationship with Cadbane that fills

1287
01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:22.439
you know. Cadbane's actually like clearly like the leader of

1288
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.399
this group and he's like, you gotta get this done

1289
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:26.880
and like stuff like that, right, but he does it

1290
01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.520
more in that voice. It's like get it done. You know.

1291
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.840
It's like kind a strange, weird, mechanized voice and he's like,

1292
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.920
don't worry about it, I will or whatever his voice sounds.

1293
01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.920
I watched this episode and I just feel like it

1294
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:44.039
makes for a great power dynamic that's dangerous. But like

1295
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:48.239
when do bounty hunters follow the rules? And they don't

1296
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:51.199
and he's actually yelling at him because secretly that's what

1297
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:54.399
he likes, and that's you know what happens. So anyway,

1298
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:57.680
that's my that's my what's his real name?

1299
01:16:59.720 --> 01:16:59.920
Boy?

1300
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:02.600
Is it a stupid name?

1301
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:07.039
It's not is it is it is it Robin. I

1302
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:11.520
don't think here because I remember they made a big,

1303
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:15.359
big deal with Robino, our last.

1304
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:18.119
Proper filony zone anymore.

1305
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:24.920
Yep, it's Robin Robino. The rest of the Felony Zones,

1306
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:27.479
at least for season two, are grouped together by Arc.

1307
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:33.880
Oh. Okay, okay, okay. Deep Bradley Baker IS's voice, which

1308
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:37.840
is great. You're so talented.

1309
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:39.920
We should get Deep Bradley Baker on the podcast.

1310
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:43.159
Perfect. We'll just have him to do the voice of

1311
01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:52.000
the Prodigy character the whole time. Yeah, there we go,

1312
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:54.359
we did it. Anything else, I guess we're done. Hah

1313
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:55.000
ha ha, good night.

1314
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:57.039
Thank you so much everyone, thank you for listening.

1315
01:17:57.119 --> 01:18:01.359
Oh yeahs so great. Oh wait, we didn't do what

1316
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.359
we're supposed to. We didn't do the most important part

1317
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:03.920
of the podcast.

1318
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.439
Indeed, we did not answer the most important question fandom,

1319
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:08.159
which is better Star Treker Star Wars by going through

1320
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:12.960
both franchises and chronological release order. Funny you are very

1321
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:20.600
funny TV of my Friends. So yes, the episodes today

1322
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:22.079
that we are ranking against.

1323
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:28.119
What TVs very funny? The funny network TV is the

1324
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:28.680
funny number.

1325
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.520
Yeah, that's right. Again. The episodes are The Savage Curtain

1326
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.640
from Star Trek the original series, He's One versus, the

1327
01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:35.359
final episode of season one of Star Wars, the Clone

1328
01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:40.399
Wars Hostage Crisis, and I will go second aspin, why

1329
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:42.479
don't you give us a ranking for our hostage crisis?

1330
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:47.680
Seven point five? No?

1331
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:55.560
No, nope? Wait wait yeah, hold yeah, hold maybe.

1332
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:59.880
A seven point four seven point four I like we're

1333
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:04.600
talking about. I think it is a right across the right,

1334
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:09.479
across the bat, across the plate, just like a fastball,

1335
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:13.239
you know. It's like great instruction of characters, like just

1336
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:19.880
like very specific, very interesting, fantastic stuff. Slightly lacking emotionally,

1337
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:21.960
so I wasn't like as invested as I have been

1338
01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:23.600
in others that I would maybe rank a little bit

1339
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:25.279
higher than I felt really pumped by. Like I thought

1340
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:27.279
it was really cool, but I wasn't as pump So

1341
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:28.920
it's still very solid.

1342
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.560
Love it, Uh. I am going to rank a six

1343
01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:36.439
for all the reasons that you just provided. I feel

1344
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.159
like that makes it a six episode.

1345
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:38.880
That's it.

1346
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:41.520
I have no powerful argument as to why it says

1347
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:44.600
less than a seven point four. That's just how I feel.

1348
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.840
I think I'm like in like in my brain, like,

1349
01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.399
sometimes things get stuck, and I think they're all kind

1350
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:53.680
of stuck in seven seven up to nine. Yeah, unless

1351
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:55.119
we get like a shitty.

1352
01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:57.039
One, you know, which would be an argument for previous

1353
01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:01.279
guests Mark Kerchak's four point ranking system. I don't like

1354
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:03.479
that though. I like a five point ranking system, but

1355
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.600
then also a half star for well, and also we're

1356
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:09.720
not getting into the ranking system. We're sticking to our

1357
01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:11.880
ranking system because that's the kind of podcast that we

1358
01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:13.319
are resolute.

1359
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.840
Perfect or resolute, and we never shift or change or

1360
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:16.640
change our minds.

1361
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:20.359
Ever, speaking of resolute and never shifting and never changing

1362
01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:23.960
in our minds, Aspen, what do you rank a Savage Curtain?

1363
01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:26.279
I don't know. I'm gonna give you like a five.

1364
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:27.079
Yeah.

1365
01:20:27.399 --> 01:20:29.640
I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's like

1366
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:32.600
a bad episode. It's just you already said. It just

1367
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:36.479
retreads everything. It doesn't say anything interesting, It doesn't even

1368
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.439
care about what it itself has to say. It doesn't

1369
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:41.520
even have like an interesting moment at the end. But

1370
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:44.439
it's also not bad, Like, it doesn't make me angry,

1371
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:45.920
it just makes me kind of bored.

1372
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.399
M that's all excellent.

1373
01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:55.039
The guy who played Lincoln really ruled. Actually, it's definitely

1374
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:56.600
one of those where like I felt, and then the

1375
01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.199
guy who played the other bad dy and of the

1376
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:03.279
people like the sort of like the people from history

1377
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:05.520
nailed it, did a great job.

1378
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:09.720
Libergere in the role Abraham Lincoln, and someone else played

1379
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:12.560
Colonel Green, and I don't recall who that person's name is,

1380
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.359
so I'm going to keep shifting through my book in

1381
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:16.600
order to find that name.

1382
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.279
Do you think Lieberger between takes kept pretending to be

1383
01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:22.439
fucking Abraham Lincoln.

1384
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:27.800
He was like, I'm an actor, that's right, Colonel Green,

1385
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:29.359
star Trek.

1386
01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:32.439
Yeah, man, Colinel Colonel.

1387
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:36.920
Green, Colonel Homestall one ole remember that.

1388
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.920
I'm sure I'm star runner. I actually never watch. I'm

1389
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:41.399
star runner.

1390
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:45.600
Steve Rink. No, Philip Pine, Philip Pine playing the role

1391
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:48.600
of Colonel Green. Anyways, I'm ranking this episode of zero

1392
01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:56.279
what why not? Only do we have it pretty bad,

1393
01:21:56.600 --> 01:22:00.760
pretty bad brown face with Genghis Khan oh oh yeah yeah,

1394
01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:06.920
but also something that is absolutely indefensible, Abraham Lincoln looking

1395
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:09.359
at Kirk and being like, you remind me of another

1396
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:15.680
general that I respect. Oh, he says Grant, He says Grant.

1397
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:17.159
Yeah, he says Grant.

1398
01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:19.279
Oh gosh, dang it. Then I'm going to bump it

1399
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:20.159
up to a point five.

1400
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:24.279
Yeah, he says Grant. He does not say Lee.

1401
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:26.279
I thought he was talking about Roberty.

1402
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:31.760
Lee. No, he says Grant. So then Kirk's like, oh, well,

1403
01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:34.640
thank you, and then he doesn't talk about the fact

1404
01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:36.840
that Grant wasn't so so president.

1405
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:43.520
Yeah, well I rank it a point five brown face.

1406
01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.079
Yeah, also with the there's a kling on there too, right,

1407
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:50.800
m oh gosh, yeah, so there's a lot of brown face.

1408
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.840
Your it's pretty broad.

1409
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:57.119
It's pretty broad, yeah, which means, uh, Savage Curtain has

1410
01:22:57.119 --> 01:22:59.600
a paltry two point seventy five this week versus hashes

1411
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.640
Christ the Crisis six point seven, which means Aspen, I'm

1412
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:06.279
the winner. You are the winner. Look at you, Look

1413
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:06.520
at you.

1414
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:11.359
You, Cadan are the winner this week it's me Cadbane.

1415
01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:15.880
Has been. Since we aren't finishing the first season of

1416
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.119
Star Wars the Clone Wars, do you have any final

1417
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:21.479
parting thoughts? As we say as we bid ad to

1418
01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:23.600
season of Star Wars.

1419
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:26.920
I have said this before and I'll say it again.

1420
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.840
I am delighted. I was delighted by how good this

1421
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:35.079
season of Clone Wars was in my memory of it.

1422
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.640
I think I enjoyed it when I watched it the

1423
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.960
first time, but I wasn't like in it. I didn't

1424
01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:46.560
really get super and consumed by it for like a

1425
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:51.520
couple more seasons. And I think people do like all around,

1426
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:53.239
you know, if you're gonna rank them, they rank this

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one the lowest. That doesn't mean it's bad, it's just

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comparatively the lowest. I think it's kind of like any show,

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like it kind of takes sometimes like a season to

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really like get into its groove and then it sort

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of launches. But all that to say with all that side,

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rather like it's great, Like it was like there maybe

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there were some that were like a little bit more duds,

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but others that were just like glorious, gorgeous episodes, and

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everything just got better and better. And I love Star

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Wars Clone Wars. It makes me really happy. And that's

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my thought.

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It's fun. It's fun to get a seasonal Clone Wars

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01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.520
under my belt. I feel satisfying. I'm excited to watch

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01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:35.439
more seasons of Star Wars Clone Wars, excited to see

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01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:40.920
things deepen, become even more complex. I'm amped man, if

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01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:43.800
it was just this season, I'd be like, all right,

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01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:46.479
but I'm excited for this is our baseline and to

1444
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:48.119
see where the heck we go from here?

1445
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Nice?

1446
01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.520
Yeah, you know what else is nice? You and you

1447
01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:57.319
and also all our listeners. If you wish to get

1448
01:24:57.319 --> 01:24:59.720
in contact with us, why don'd you go ahead and

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01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:03.239
hit us up on our social media accounts on Instagram

1450
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:05.479
dot com, slash at trak wars Pod or over on

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01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:07.760
Blue Skies. That's a whole bunch of people are migrating

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01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:10.520
over to Blue sky at trek wars Pod over there

1453
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.039
as well. Additionally, if you don't want to hop on

1454
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:15.800
social media, why don't you just send us an email

1455
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:20.079
trek Wars Pod at gmail dot com while you're at

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01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.560
a subscribe to our YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash

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01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:25.119
at trak Wars Pod as well, and you can see

1458
01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:29.119
Asthma make wild gesticulations such as this indeed perfectly summing

1459
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:32.319
up the current the current state of so many emotions

1460
01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:35.640
in this country, so right at the momot. And lastly,

1461
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.800
but certainly not leastly, it would do us a great

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01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:41.000
service if you would sign up for our patreon Patreon

1463
01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:43.880
dot com slash at trak Wars up pod where for

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01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:45.640
five dollars a month, you can help us keep the

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lights on, pay for infrastructure, pay for such fine things

1466
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:55.079
as you know, video stuff, because that's certainly not well.

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01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:58.000
You know, we're we're we're we're still losing money out things,

1468
01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:01.159
but we're kind of breaking even. That's pretty nice and so,

1469
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:03.319
uh no, that's fine.

1470
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I don't do the accounting.

1471
01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:09.640
It's fine. I don't mean to say it's fine in

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01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:11.960
the way of being like it's not actually fine. It

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01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:15.800
is actually fine, but certainly every single bit helps, and

1474
01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:18.359
you two could join the fine auspices of fine faults

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01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:21.960
such as Timbo de Sosa, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller, Arizona,

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01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:25.960
Mark Austin, Aaron about bab Cactus and lastly, but certainly

1477
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.520
not leastly, Jaulty partner who composed our I starship at

1478
01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:31.079
theme song. Our theme song is composed by mister Tostin

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01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:33.479
al Wifesso. Please visit the show notes in the show

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01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:37.079
notes below, which makes sense, click on his name and

1481
01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:39.880
go see a whole bunch of his actual work. Aston.

1482
01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:42.880
Can folks see you anywhere else? I?

1483
01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:46.880
Uh no, yes, I mean I don't know if you

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01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.039
live in La I guess I'll be in some shows

1485
01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:52.840
soon at some point. I don't know. By the way,

1486
01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:54.840
we're just meeting. The thing we were talking about this

1487
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:59.279
like Star Trek TG group. It's a group that used

1488
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:02.720
to do stuff pandemic pretty consistently. So maybe you forget

1489
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it back together. Like there'll be like multiple opportunities to

1490
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:07.560
see if you live in the LA area to come

1491
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:11.680
see me do Star Trek shows improvised'd be cool, But

1492
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:14.520
I don't know when that's that's all. Otherwise, if you

1493
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.000
just seen me walking down the street, I don't know.

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You might say I love you.

1495
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:20.239
I might say I love you. I might say I

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01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:22.119
love you. Is that what you say to me if

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you saw me? Oh my god, I love you.

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My listeners, we love you. May the Force be with

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you and live long and prosper.

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Why are you looking at me like that?

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You said you would watch it. You specifically gave me

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01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:54.279
a date that you would watch Ale and Romulus. You

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01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:58.079
gave me a date. You gave me a date I.

1504
01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:00.520
Had all this is done. Your homework, guy into do you.

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01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:02.239
Gave me a date that you would watch it?

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01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:04.199
Genre?

1507
01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:05.920
What do you mean genre?

1508
01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:07.880
I need to watch a lot of new films.

1509
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:09.119
What do you mean you had to watch a bunch

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of new films I still picked up. You gave me

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01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:14.840
a date that you would watch Alien Romulus.

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01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:16.920
I'm so sorry.

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Have I asked anything from you this year? Have I

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asked anything.

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01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:23.279
You asked for? You asked for things.

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What happened you watched the AMLA

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I okay,