Nov. 22, 2024

The Cloud Minders v. Liberty on Ryloth

The Cloud Minders v. Liberty on Ryloth

What's this? Two stories about resistance and rebellion in the face of oppression? Wow that's not timely at all. ha ha help.
 
Aspen, Kenny, and guest/friend/pal Mark Gerchak talk Twi'leks as the French Resistance, about our feelings, and also Wim...

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Season 1

What's this? Two stories about resistance and rebellion in the face of oppression? Wow that's not timely at all. ha ha help.

Aspen, Kenny, and guest/friend/pal Mark Gerchak talk Twi'leks as the French Resistance, about our feelings, and also Wim Wenders(???)

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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question and fandom, which

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is better Star Wars or Star Trek by going through

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both franchises and chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent with me as for always as

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the co host with the mo host.

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'tis I Aspen Webster? You're Star Wars person?

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Hello? Ask me please?

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Yes?

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Yes, don't be done with that haughty attitude. Get down

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from your high horse and join the resistance of people

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that are attempting to make something happen.

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Now, I'm up in the clouds. It is ill.

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But before we get our heads lost in the clouds,

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why don't we go ahead and say that we're covering

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the Cloud Minders from Star Trek the original series from

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Star Trek the original series from Star Trek the Original

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Series Season three versus Liberty on Ryloth from Star Wars

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The Cone Wars Season one.

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Cool.

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We could say that if you want it or we can,

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we can. We could also say, hey, look who's here Loo?

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Can we go with us? Do you have?

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I was going to add some descriptors on there. First actor,

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Oh yes, screenwriter, screen rack On.

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Stone Cold Fox Marto, Hello, thank you Ford.

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Boy of the awesome comedy scene as it were.

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It's true.

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You see someone rolling around on a motorcycle and a

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hot leather jacket and one hundred and ten degree weather,

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that's gonna be Mark Girchak maybe.

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Yep, always headed out to make out point to look

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at the sun.

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Mark is the subject of many a crush. It's true.

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So I've heard. I wish thought I had heard the

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tea directly, but I have heard people.

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No one told Mark, No one told you people.

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There's just like I like how the secondary godsip. It's

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like people will have crushes and then people are talking

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about the crushes that other people haven't there.

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Well, the real secret is that we're the ones. We've

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had crushes. Anybody was in the past. It's too late now,

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it's too late. We missed our chances. We're like ships

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love Kenny, I were both in love with you.

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Well it's mutual because I'm in love with you all.

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It's so great.

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Anyway, pretty sh at this entire love fest. But before

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we get too further into all of it, why don't

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we go ahead and read the synopsis for both of

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these episodes for folks that are not watching along and

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are playing the home game. Yeah, I guess I will

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go ahead, start, I will start, and.

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You do it. You do you? My man, my boy,

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my boy, my sweet, my sweet. Uh.

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The Cloudminders, of Course first aired February twenty eighth, nineteen

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sixty nine. Director Judd Taylor. Story by David Gerald and

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Oliver Crawford, telplay by Marca Arman. Uh And reading this

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review from Joan Crosby and her syndicated column TV Scout,

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Joan writes for its Waning Days, Star Trek comes up

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with a script that is relatively simple and understandable, even

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within its own futuristic concept. The Enterprise travels to a

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planet on an emergency mission where the crew must obtain

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an to a deadly plague. Kirk and Spock arrived during

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a slave revault and find that they cannot get the

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much needed antibody. Okay, that's it. Who wrote that? Joan

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Crosby from her syndicated colun TV Scout as ran in

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the Delaware County Daily Times serving Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on February

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twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine.

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Good for you, Joan, that's antemporary synopsies from the time period.

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Yeah, I kiddy's really good at that. I just find

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synopsis from.

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It helps that Star Trek is incredibly written about the show.

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For for me and Clone Wars, it is much more

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difficult to find anyone talking about.

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It, which reminds me, I totally forgot to watch the

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Felony Zy.

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I watched the Foloniesih, Mark, We'll have to hear all

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about the Felonies.

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It's like the only behind the scenes stuf. We haven't

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boot Clone Wars truly. I just watched the episode and

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win red. That's all I did.

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And I was like, yeah, I heard your skateboard going outside.

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Yeah, but I did a little all, you know. I

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was like, Okay, put my cab.

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On bag, which, to be fair, was in the shape

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of Dave Filoni's hat, so it really just looked like

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you were still wearing a Dave Faloni hat.

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Yeah, And I was like, I really like my skateboard. Yeah,

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that's good enough, I'll get back and that it's pastible.

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I think, really like what we really need sounds like

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a little kid plus, Yeah, it does.

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Impression.

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Well, I'll figure it out.

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I don't know what it sounds like it.

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It's nasy after get it.

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You sound like the kid that was turned into rocks

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from the latest episode of Very Important People.

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I think that is what's happening right now. Hey, it's me.

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I'm taking this this phone nor class. Last night was

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the first night of it, and she was going through

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the teacher classes like a dream. She's so cool and.

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Cool is like mom in a movie.

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She's playing I'm a Stone's mother and The Amazing Spider

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Man and she's also has Bo Burnham's mother and and

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the show is that he did Zach Stone. Yeah, she's

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and she's just gray. She's just like such a cool

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just like I don't know, I can already tell him,

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like I love this. And she was going through the

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architect types of film noir and there's like one of

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them is like innocent bystanders, you know, and it's like

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the innocence And I just was like, question, could there

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ever be children? She's like, there are never really kids

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in the movies. And I'm like, but good there, And

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I'm like the rest of the night. At little intervals,

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i'd be like, it's me and nishin kidd asle Sorry.

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I just really like playing oh man, I don't know.

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Mark and I were talking about was earlier where it's

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just like you got the note of like, never play

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a child or an animal, and I'm like, that's all

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I play?

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Oh yeah, I woth whenever I see children that are

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animal being on stage in an improv show, absolutely detested.

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It's miserable.

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I love it.

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Well, that's that's good that you still have a joy

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in your life aast.

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And I sent a screenshot to Mark that was like

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Will Hines talking about how he might be he might

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try to stop students from being specifically talking animals, but

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how audience seemed to love it. So who was he

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to say? Anyway, this has been improv talk? What was

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I talking about?

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Star Wars The Clone Wars? Oh?

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I need to do mine? Do we do mine? Okay?

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Star Wars the Clone Wars Liberty on right off director

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Rob Coleman, writer Henry Gilroy, and it was released on

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March thirteenth, two thousand and nine. Ha, what a good

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year for why I don't know. Mace Windu and his

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Clone Troopers aim to liberate the Ryloth capital of Lissu,

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but need to acquire the help of a Twilight resistance

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group led by Sean Sandula in order to do. So

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that's pretty much it. That's pretty much straightforward and what

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it was. Yeah, yeah, I mean, goodness, good plot. This

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is a good plot. That's good. Yeah, that's what The

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third it's the third episode of of the of the

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three parter. So we had started the last the last

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one we did was Innocence of So it started with

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storm over Ryloth and that's like whole like needed to

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I don't know if you watched the mark, but you

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didn't have to, but like they had a break need

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to break through. It's like they've had to do like

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each level of like separatists. It's like they did like

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they had to break through a blockade first and then

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like they actually get in onto Ryloth and then they

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have to like sabotage some separate weapons in there and

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they have to go through that. And now it's like

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this kind of final like getting it back from the Separatists,

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and you're doing such a good job on acting it out.

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And I really want you to know they're my sweet

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little precious boy.

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I speaking of sweet little precious boys as our guest,

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as the person that is in the trademarked worse hot seat.

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We like to ask our guests, what the heck your

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histories are with both of these franchises? Where did you

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encounter them to begin with? Do you like them? Do

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you hate them?

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What do you think if you hated both of them?

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That'd be wonderful?

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What a hot seat I'm in? So you're of a

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whim lenders, guy, Oh, I haven't seen anyone. We don't

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need to get into it. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

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It's fine.

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It's fine, it's fine.

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It's whim. It's wim.

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It's whim.

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Yeah, I think it is.

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I think it's what are we talking? Vendors made a

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movie that I need to watch called per Days, which

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apparently is about a guy who's very satisfied with his life.

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As a fan of just narrative theory, I want to

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watch that movie because, as Aspen can tell you, so often,

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I'm sick of movies that I'm just sick of movies period.

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So many movies feel that the only way to tell

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his story is just through conflict, or rather a conflict

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being meaning a character achieving a goal. But I am

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from belief that drama does not necessarily equal conflict. Drama

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doesn't even necessarily have to have change in it, but

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it sounds like drama here in this case might equal contrast.

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I'll try. I'm much more of a fan of versus

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a more overt fighty word conflict. But anyways, I'm gonna

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write that into the show notes to your cut VIM

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Vendor's chat from the final episod. Why would I cut

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then Vendor's chat? We got to keep it high and tight, mean.

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Kenny, is this is it? This is the podcast. If

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no one's listening to this podcast and this is their

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first time, they need to understand that this is.

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The I'm going to keep bringing back VIM vendors consistently,

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so you have to leave it in because it's a

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callback every time.

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I'll just I'll just leave it in the footnotes just

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in general.

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Then, from my experience with these franchise, I'm I'm a

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Star Wars boy growing up. Yes, so sorry, Kenny, Uh.

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Yeah, he famously truly hates Wars.

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Famously hates Star Wars.

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Stand up.

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Yeah, My folks showed me the original trilogy whenever the

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special editions came out, and I was like, and I

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was like, this is my new obsession. I was part

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of the Star Wars fan club. I got the magazine

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for like almost a decade the Star Wars.

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Look at this, look at this, look at this, God.

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Beg into it. I remember actively because I got the

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Star Wars entury magazine, I knew every year that all

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the prequels were gonna come out. And this is a

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real insight into who I was as a little boy,

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because I was eleven when Phantom Menace came out, and

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I did the math to be like, oh, when Revenge

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of the Cyst comes out, I'm gonna be seventeen and

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I'm gonna be too old to enjoy the toys. And

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I was actively sad as an eleven year old knowing

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I was going to be too old to enjoy the

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toys when I turned seventeen.

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Oh wow, that's like a like an insight as a

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child that is existentially devastating. I just want to say

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I had a similar sort of thing. Do you ever,

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like have the book The Polar Express, Like, obviously I

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haven't seen this macas film because he.

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Wasn't rich enough to grow up in a family with books.

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Well, if you got the case of like you get

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the book and it would come with if you ever

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read it, there's like a bell, and the whole point

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is that, like, oh no, I like cry. It's like

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you can hear the bell when you're a kid, but

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it's like adults can't hear the bell. And the whole

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idea is that maybe like they lose the spirit of

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like that play in the childhood like joy of Christmas.

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And so I'd like pull out the bell every year

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and ring it for myself just in case, and I'd

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be like, one day I won't be able to hear

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the bell anymore anyway.

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Chilling, But you still can hear it because you've still

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kept your childlike spirit.

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Oh my god, thank you. I lost it. I lost

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the bell. So that's that's you being eleven years old, being.

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Like, yeah, you gained the ability to trust your own

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eyes and ears, as opposed to what childhood teaches you

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to be blindly obedient to a system that is telling

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you do not trust your eyes and do not trust

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your ears, instead trust what only the leader puts in

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front of you. Oh no, express is a fascist nightmare.

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Kinnie's the bad guy. Christmas same you were a real

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star Wars.

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You're real stars.

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Yeah, and then Star Trek. I always feel slightly ashamed

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when I talked to Star Trek fans because my introduction

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was was J. J. Abrams slash technically justin Lynn's trilogy.

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A great movie two thousand and nine, Star Trek movie, Great.

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Star Trek Beyond?

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Oh yeah, sorry? Can he has it on his list

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of like one of the things you watch to get

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into Star Trek. Sorry, and I interrupted, yeah.

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No, if you're hanging around Star Trek pants, who are like,

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how dare you start with Star Trek? Those people are

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bad people.

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Being friends with them?

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So the movie is really fun. Star Trek Into Darkness.

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That's a bad time. That's bad. It is a movie.

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Sure, is a movie, bad.

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Movie written by a NI eleven Truther? What fact.

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Fact nine to eleven Truthers are fact nine?

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Yes?

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Did you know that nine eleven Truthers exist?

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Can't mount still be?

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Yeah?

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But other than those films, I have taken a run

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at Next Generation like three times. I keep getting like

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five or six episodes in and then I lose it.

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I lose the momentum.

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You're starting with the first season, Yeah, and.

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The first episode is like I assume it was special

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because it's like four hours long.

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's ninety minutes. Yeah, okay, famous

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hard to get through the first two seasons.

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First episode.

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I would say that the first episode is probably the

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best episode of that season.

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Oh yeah, I mean I have like I got like

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that season.

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Yeah, and then starting with the second episode, it goes

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down sharply. I cannot wait to get to it.

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Are n But I love Patty Stew's and I was like,

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I'm going to be into this.

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An actor who everyone thinks is great.

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Take Kenny.

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He's just British. He's very charming, He's extremely charming. And

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also like his theater work, yeah sure, great, wonderful, outstanding.

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But you watched like his TV and movie work. If

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he was American, he'd just be like an actor.

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Does the accent get everybody?

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I think the accent gets everybody?

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Is the accent make everybody thinking?

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Because he's responsible for a dune Buggy Chase and star Tegnamicis,

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because he loves racing cars. Patrick Stewart, you're talking.

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About Patrick Stewart.

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Literally, my rose, I genuinely thought you were talking about

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someone named Patty stews And I was like, you saying

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to me Kenny Patrick Stewart is an extraordinary.

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Actor's an extraordinary actor. Interns of his like his state work.

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Okay, yeah, but like I s fail insane right now?

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The delayed reaction realizing who we were talking about and

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then having a violent reaction to.

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Tell me where I'm wrong, counselor tell me where I'm wrong, counselor.

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Will not accept stand down, lawyer. I don't accept your case.

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You should accept my case.

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I've been a judge for ten years in this district.

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It's true, and I'm I'm saying you gotta go.

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But like, in what pieces that are not Star Trek

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or x ment movies, have you watched Patrick Stewart been like.

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Pretty fabulous? I just say starting, But I mean, like,

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why why did those not count?

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Because they don't? All right?

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What do you remember mem Logan? Like that was extraordinary?

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That film?

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Oh wow?

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What if he was sleepy all the time.

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I can't believe. I can't believe you're a hotache is

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Patrick Stewart isn't actually good? He just has an accent.

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I think it's true because he effortlessly, just like Latter

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day Morgan Freeman, who is able to sleep walk through

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so many latter day Morgan Freeman who shows up and

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is like, I'll tell the white guy with the gun

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what to do, and I'll get that check and I'll

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be able to chill out. Which what you're talking about

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it or power too, because that too?

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Yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Okay, we don't have to get into it.

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We don't have to get into it.

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So we don't have to get into it.

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We don't have to get into we don't.

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Have to get into it.

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So Mark, your introduction to Star Wars was the special editions?

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Have you seen the original unaltered trilogy since then? I

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don't know that you've always been a special edition kid.

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Well, my I think my introduction was actually the like

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the original unaltered original trilogy, right I think, And I

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don't remember.

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Yeah, probably probably like if they are your parents and

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they own them, and it was like pre ninety seven.

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Yeah, they had faces on the cover. Yeah, they have

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faces on the cover.

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I remember. They always started with something some guy going

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to original trilogy one last time.

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Definitely, yep, that's definitely it.

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Yeah, definitely saw the original. I've seen the prequels, seen

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the sequels. The only show I have seen is.

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And Or Well, I mean you picked the best one, That's.

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What I heard. And I didn't want to watch that

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one for like a year or two, and Peo were like,

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it's the best thing.

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I understand.

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Hm, it's truly great.

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It's truly great.

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If you want to talk about rebellion, yeah, and we

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will talk about rebellion starting.

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No, these episodes are really good.

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Both these episodes are really good.

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Mark.

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Do you think both these episodes are really good?

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Yeah. We got to get through the rest of the

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episode in five minutes.

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Mark, what do you think do you think?

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Go?

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Go?

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What do you do?

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You disagree with us?

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I enjoyed them, but maybe not as much as y'all did,

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based on the one sentence I've heard you speak.

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So far, Oh my god, oh my god.

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Great, oh, outstanding, because you have no familiarity really with

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you Rachel series. Oh and then also, had you watched

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Clone Wars before?

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Yeah, like, uh, next generation. I've taken a run at

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Clone Wars when never got very far. I saw the like,

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is it just called the Clone Wars? The movie?

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Yeah?

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That had baby job.

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Ah. Wow, good for you, you know, thank you.

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Thank you, thank you.

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And I watched the Genity Tartakovski series oh, so I

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feel like I was biased against this version initially.

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Interesting this is this is actually Kenny. There's that episode,

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the episode with Mace in the Tartakovski version where you

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just like, is it is it? Actually?

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Is it?

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Rylof in that one too, like is this the Clone

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Wars like version of that?

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Or I don't think okay, I don't play it with

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like a bunch of like a big meadow.

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Yes it is, Yes, it is.

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Okay, Big Hammer and it's very similar.

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And they are that's right, the Big Hammer ship, and

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they're like writing they're writing like a weird little kangaroo emo.

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I don't know, only Australian creatures. So oh my god, sorry, yeah,

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but okay, sweet, that makes sense. You've never right, so

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you're not in the position not to be like this

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is why you don't like it, but like this means

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that you haven't had like two years ago watching your

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original series and being like this is this teaching you

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how to watch the show, or Clone Wars being like

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watch where it's come from, where we.

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And even y'all being like this is part of a

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trilogy of episodes. I'm not like that makes a lot

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of sense about that because I was like, I just

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dropped you straight into and I was like, I vaguely

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that seems vaguely right from when I used to watch

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I did.

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I did watch this show with my partner Heidi Cute,

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and she also has not really watched Clone Wars before,

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and with that intro, she was like, oh no, I

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don't like this. I don't like this. This is bad,

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which is the exact same feeling that I had and

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you know, still have, to a degree that has been

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much lessons considering that I've been watching this now for months.

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Yea, the intro of the Clone Wars like a little.

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Like they want and are going through the machine. Then

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the machine happens to have droids. The droids are capturing

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ryle Off and tapping off all of their little tales.

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I like the news. I like the news real opening,

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it's very fun.

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I don't like it. I think it's bad.

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Well, it's not a newsreel. It's a propaganda propaganda like

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it's like it's like it's like news from the front.

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But there's like but that's extra textual analysis. It's it's

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because it's appropriating esthetics.

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I mean, we're literally talking about a war. We're talking

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about battles in which any type of war, especially one

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that is kind of effectively a civil war across the

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galaxy of cultire war as civil clone war, because it's

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the literal separatists from a republic like you were going

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to have like inherent to kind of war stories that

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kind of we're we're the one putting ourselves out there

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to be the goodies. You know, they don't do it

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like they're you know, it's not truly like they're you

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know how the beginning of the ruine of the Seth

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is like they're heroes on both sides. No, but kind

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of like in this show, this show sometimes you'll see

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like the Republic leaving people behind. But if we're keeping

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that in mind as if to say, we want to

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keep you on our side of the republic, we're the

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correct ones versus the separatists, you've putting out more propaganda

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and to keep people feeling encouraged.

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Just what it is, Yeah about Mark loves the intro.

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I thinks that's the best part of this episode of

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The Clone Wars.

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To be clear, by the way, I don't when you

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say extra textural, I just assumed that's what it was.

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I don't think I read that anywhere anyway.

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Extra textual in the sense that you understand it through

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cultural osmosis.

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What are what is? What is media?

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That's kind of everything.

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I can't tell that Kenny and I are going to

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be yelling at each other, and I don't know.

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I like both of these episodes.

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Before emotional right now.

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But the emotional piece, but the reason that you're able

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to okay, So I don't.

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I don't know.

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Your reactions are just like, that's just media, to which

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I'm like, yes, but my emotions make me want to

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double down because I'm convinced I'm right, which is not

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necessarily correct.

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I mean, I don't think you're not right. It's the

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weird thing. I think it's like such a weird, great

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yarn ball of things.

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I mean, it is also Star Wars pretty fresh from

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the prequel, so you can't be entirely sure what the

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intention is versus George Lucas's weird execution ideas.

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It did feel very like early two thousands watching, and

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I was like, you can feel the like extra textual

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elements of the world.

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It didn't help that the entire thing was scored by

484
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all American rejects.

485
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.039
It was like as soon as like he started going

486
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:57.960
in with his lights, they was like Shuman, it was

487
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:09.000
like swing sweetly and you're like, wow, look at mace Go. No,

488
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.200
I get it. I'm just being defensive because I love it.

489
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:14.759
I think it's fun, and I don't. I don't like

490
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.079
I want I want people to give things a chance.

491
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.640
Yeah. I dove both of these episodes. I'm a little

492
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.200
cooler on the Clone Wars app this week versus the

493
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.920
Star Trek episode, which I think the Star Trek episode

494
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.720
is like Gangbusters, feeling like season one season two of

495
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:33.279
Star Trek.

496
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.559
Again, that's the other thing Mark, just for reference here,

497
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.559
there's there is that. It's like season one of Star

498
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.640
Trek is like, oh oh we're cooking with gas, and

499
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.039
season two you're like, we're still some gas still here.

500
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.960
Yeah yeah yeah, and the season three you're like, oh boy,

501
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.960
oh no reasons.

502
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.359
It's like they left the gas on but they weren't cooking,

503
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:04.839
and so only everyone's like on fire. Everyone's on yeah,

504
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.839
everyone is gas.

505
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.559
Someone like someone's like about to like light a match

506
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:19.160
and everyone's like no, like that Australian No, how would

507
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.200
in Australian say no?

508
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.559
If you want to subscribe to The Patriot.

509
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:35.920
What uh, hey, Aspen, what is an Australian's favorite conjunction?

510
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:40.200
I don't know what is it?

511
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.799
Mark, I don't know.

512
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:52.720
No, mm hmmm that's I don't get it because it's

513
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:53.880
a conjunction.

514
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:54.920
And are.

515
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:04.759
Well conjunction junk? What's your function? So this episode is

516
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.839
like a beautiful like drink water.

517
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.720
It felt great coming into it fresh. I was like,

518
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:12.559
I'm enjoying this.

519
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.279
Yeah, yeah, yes, Kenny.

520
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.440
Oh, I'm just excited to talk about these episodes.

521
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.079
I'm excited to talk about them too.

522
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.279
Good, good, hot episodes.

523
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.440
Can we just say a thing real quick? We just

524
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:30.640
like establish a sort of like norm here of reality. Yeah,

525
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:36.640
it's November nineteenth that we're recording this, not that long ago. Yeah,

526
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.440
well not that long ago. Yeah, I know people are

527
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.000
going to know two weeks ago exactly, I drank too much.

528
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:48.480
We got really sad, and an absolute uh indicted, impeached

529
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.920
criminal rapist was elected to the presidency.

530
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:53.279
Yeah.

531
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:58.880
And I feel like conversations around Star Wars and Star

532
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:03.599
Trek cannot be separated from the feelings of that, do

533
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:04.319
you know what I mean?

534
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.359
Yeah? Because art is contextual. Well, we are anything that

535
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.519
we consume, it's going to be affected by current events

536
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.920
because art cannot live in a vacuum. It's not possible,

537
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.680
or else it would lose all meaning, which.

538
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.000
Which is interesting because earlier you were saying, Mark, you're

539
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.400
like who the clone Wars feel so like two thousands,

540
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.839
which I assume has to do with like like I

541
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:32.039
rack and which absolutely you're on top of it, just

542
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.160
in the same way that the original series Star Wars

543
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.119
is about Vietnam.

544
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:39.000
Also, I do need to point out that, yes, Kenny

545
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:43.039
is a very eloquent uh. Diagnosis of that did immediately

546
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:48.279
counteract his earlier refutal of outside elements influencing a piece

547
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:59.160
of art.

548
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:06.519
Would you want to say to that, Oh no, you

549
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:07.039
got me?

550
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.000
Yeah, I done got got so sorry.

551
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.680
But by yourself. So that's the best way to get

552
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.680
got The only one smart enough was yourself.

553
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:18.839
It's true.

554
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.960
Oh boy, it's true.

555
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.319
Yeah. So I just want to bring that up and

556
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:28.160
just like do a level set because I'm gonna guess

557
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.440
we're all having a hard time.

558
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:35.440
It's extremely awful. My anxiety has gone through through the roof,

559
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.880
right It's it's been extremely miserable, and I dare say

560
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.480
I'm attempting to be very easy on myself because the

561
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.480
fight will just get even more intense as the years

562
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:46.240
weigh on.

563
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:55.880
Yes, wax, yeah, and I you know it's finning. I

564
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.400
was talking to someone about it because we've had also

565
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:03.240
for additional context, Mark like, Mark, you're so great. Sometimes

566
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.039
we'll talk about, like Kenny and I were like, what

567
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.279
is appealing about Star Wars and Star Trek? And I

568
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:11.880
think I often hear a lot and Katy, you can

569
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.759
tell me if I'm like way off, A lot of

570
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:15.480
people are like, you know, what I really love about

571
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.079
Star Trek is that it does show hope for a

572
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:24.359
potential future, which can be extremely helpful when you're like

573
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:29.519
everything is a bingal fucking mess right now right. And

574
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.640
I've often said I'm in kind of a space where

575
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.160
the story of Star Wars of like the Little Guy

576
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.240
and the Rebellion, because you're in the midst of it,

577
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.359
appeals to me more like you were saying, Mark that

578
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.279
like you've seen and or and I think that's one

579
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.960
of the best types of stories that Star Wars has,

580
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:50.480
of like on the ground rebellion, and so I think

581
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.640
that often is a thing that also Star Wars appeals

582
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.039
to me, and I think that's still true, and I

583
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.480
felt it, and I very angrily was like stating it.

584
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.279
But the little small part of me is having a

585
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.759
little bit of a not a shift. But I wonder

586
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.559
if it's like I have to be like you have

587
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.359
to like practice hope, So there is like something I

588
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.480
wonder if there's like a shift for me happening. Recognizing

589
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.599
fully that the utopic future of Star Trek came after

590
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.400
horrors that are detailed in DS nine and like a

591
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.480
World War three and so on and so forth.

592
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.359
So anyway, I feel like my view has always been

593
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.000
like the almost the opposite, but just because I feel

594
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.920
like so much of at least early Star Wars, like

595
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:41.119
you know, original trilogy, is very like mythic in the

596
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.079
sense of like literal myth and it's monolithic and it's

597
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.519
good and it's evil and it's you know, So it

598
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.200
feels like to me, it was always so nice to

599
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.799
have that clear distinction of like, oh, we know what

600
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.440
the right thing is and we know what the best

601
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.720
you know, and so it kind of had the option

602
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.200
where is Star Trek? To me, always, even just my

603
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.000
tangential connection with it, was like, oh, these are real

604
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.599
people and they have to deal with like human stuff.

605
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.920
So I got down to that like messier version of things.

606
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:13.160
Oh interesting, oh interesting, Yeah, Like it's more complex than

607
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:14.720
just like the modern myth.

608
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.079
I mean that is the allure of star Trek for me.

609
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.799
Even though they are dealing with all these lofty, high

610
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.880
folutine sci fi ideas, at the end of the day,

611
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.559
there are still dudes that are drinking coffee or ladies

612
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:34.039
or non maminary faults, never just drinking coffee and being

613
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.559
like it isn't all the star Trek and hard. However,

614
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:41.599
as I have gotten older, it feels like villains that

615
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.240
live within a gray area is charitable because villains that

616
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.839
live in grays don't exist. I feel like villains are

617
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.839
outright villains, and we need to stop having media that

618
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.200
interesting bothers to find any sympathy or empathy.

619
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.400
Interesting pan And this is I think this just goes

620
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.400
to show that it's like especially there's like different seasons

621
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.119
of your life personally, when you might be like managing,

622
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.679
and then there's also like how the different current events

623
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.360
and how that contact affects your perception of a thing

624
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.559
and how you relate to the thing, how fascinating.

625
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.159
I mean, I feel, as I've said before and I'll

626
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.639
say it again till the cows come home. I feel like, folks,

627
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.280
I feel like anyone that identifies on them as someone

628
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.519
that is not the right wing has manipulated well intentioned

629
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:41.480
people's empathy in order to manipulate the status quo for themselves,

630
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.360
which is extremely unfortunate, thereby putting our marginalized folks and

631
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.199
folks that are truly in trouble on the back foot

632
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.519
over and over and over again and having to apologize

633
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.079
for being the victim. And that's really unfortunate. That sucks,

634
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:56.239
and it's completely unfair.

635
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.719
Yep, yes, and you know, I'm sorry. I don't mean

636
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.519
to like also take us away from I think that

637
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.599
these episodes the reason, well one, I think we just

638
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.800
needed to acknowledge it. This is our first episode we're

639
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.679
recording since the election. But also, like, these episodes are

640
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:20.159
about rebellion, Like they're about inequality, and they're about explicitly

641
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:27.880
about inequality and about the abuse of power, and like, yeah,

642
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.800
both explicitly so and the other ring of people, the

643
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.599
exploitation of resources and labor, both very explicitly, And I

644
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.920
do just want to like note I saw this is

645
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.519
a brag, but I saw the uh live reading of

646
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:47.920
Revenge of the Sith over the weekends, which say friend

647
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.159
at the pod Patrick Cottner organizes, and it was super

648
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:58.280
fab and it was there was like lines that were

649
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.360
being said from Revenge of the Sith that the entire audience,

650
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.119
which is collectively grown because of just like how clear

651
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.519
like clear of like a parallel there was. And I'm like,

652
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.039
we can, we can make fun of the politics of

653
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:18.679
the prequels, but like ultimately, the manipulation of media outlets

654
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:23.599
of a political bodies to kind of like undermine like

655
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.079
in a way that's almost fucking stupid, is like actually

656
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.480
so real and relevant of just like what does it

657
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:33.159
look like to hold that power and it's and for

658
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.159
people to just be taken by it because they would

659
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:39.400
much rather go after a strong man and a sense

660
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.480
of safety and authority because that safety was like the

661
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:48.480
danger was fabricated, fabricated, thus destroying people's lives in the process,

662
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.000
Like and so people would actually pursue that and vote

663
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.280
for that, you know, placing this person in a position

664
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.599
to power in order to secure that safety, whether or

665
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.639
not it's real, you know, whether there is a threat

666
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.840
or not right, So I thought it was wild and

667
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.000
I just wanted cool.

668
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.800
Well, it's also been like a recurring historical motif. Weirdly

669
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.159
that kind of synks up with all of the Star

670
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:16.400
Wars trilogies being released, like the late seventies, in the

671
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:21.920
early eighties, early two thousands, and then late oh geez,

672
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.519
have these moments of like turbulence and things.

673
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.280
Well as we also do have the hellay, as we've

674
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.960
noted before, the kind of cycle that's almost like reflected

675
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.119
in the production of the movies of the Neoliberald of

676
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.880
fascism cycle that also just seems to happen in the world.

677
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.480
That's funny that it happens in the world as well.

678
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:47.440
But everything reflects the world in which it is made, and.

679
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.719
The world is it reflects the art. It changes based

680
00:37:52.760 --> 00:38:00.239
on the art. Yeah, yeah, I just want to kind

681
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.960
of noted because yeah, you're right, like this is getting

682
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.760
this is less feeling, This is less feeling. The last

683
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.079
episode that we watched we actually talked about the explicit

684
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.039
kind of it was uh sorry, Innocence of ryel Loth.

685
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.159
It's very much it feels very much like people in

686
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.280
the Middle East, like American soldiers in I Rock, and

687
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.760
like there's even racism that's involved inside of it, and

688
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.039
like oh look quick and change, you know. But so

689
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.599
that's clearly like that's the context for that. And we're

690
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.480
kind of continuing less here. So this idea we're talking about,

691
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.039
you know, victory and ryeloth of what is the role

692
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.239
of especially something like the American government, if we're using

693
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.000
that as a reflection of coming in and like your

694
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.559
responsibility to like secure the safety of space.

695
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.599
Not only kind of talking about I mean Mark, we're

696
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.840
going to talk about last week's episodes. Uh sorry, yeah,

697
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.440
the game, but the nature both having somewhat of a

698
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:04.719
pandurin nature about wow, they're so naive, one of those

699
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.280
naivites in this in the Clone Wars episodes kind of

700
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.119
being lionized and in the way to eat and being

701
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:16.079
like they were so naive, while also kind of celebrating

702
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.800
the status quo I'll be our racist clause kind of changing,

703
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:21.960
but at the same time just being like it just

704
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.000
needed to meet one good one. The status quo ain't

705
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:31.480
all that bad, sure, And then in these two episodes,

706
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.559
rather I guess our resistance within the Clone Wars is

707
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.599
able to talk with the status quo, and it's able

708
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.800
to make some sort of agreement with the status quo

709
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:50.079
in good faith and in Star trek uh Kirk takes

710
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.719
some pretty darn radical interventionalist action, pulling an oops all

711
00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.840
imperialism by by by forcing both leaders to dig within

712
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.320
the mindes uh and luckily it works out pretty well

713
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.920
because they're able to sniff the gas.

714
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:15.639
Yeah, yeah, interesting, yeah, right, Like it's the sort of

715
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.000
in both cases, it is kind of extraordinary that it's

716
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:23.039
like here's an outside active force coming in and doing

717
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.079
like being like here there is an injustice, Like obviously

718
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.760
with like the Star Wars episode, it's like we also

719
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.840
need to this is part of our greater war, and

720
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.320
these twilets are collateral for those war and.

721
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.119
It's pronounced twiles.

722
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.159
It's pronounced tollix.

723
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:48.920
Twilex twilets, twilet twiles, twilex.

724
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:56.960
Twilets twilex twilex. They are collateral at this. But yeah,

725
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:02.239
the sort of statement of like intervening effectively, like your

726
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.679
people are being murdered and we need help from this

727
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.599
resistance force, but you need to be doing this to

728
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:08.679
save your own people.

729
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.480
Well like a sorry continue.

730
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.840
No, no, you you said, please, Mark, I'm just I'm

731
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.039
just a foolish person. I'm fool.

732
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:21.639
You know.

733
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:26.719
I thought it was interesting that like both episodes like feature,

734
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.480
you know that the heroes coming in and like basically

735
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:34.119
like bartering this not bartering, it's what I'm for, you know,

736
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.519
they bargain for like both sides and like to kind

737
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.760
of find this piece between these two factions. But in

738
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:44.039
both episodes, they don't do it because it's like the

739
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.039
right thing to do. They do it because they have

740
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.480
an end goal that they need the agreement to happen for.

741
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.079
I was to be like really in Star Trek, but

742
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.920
then I was like, you're right, he like needs that ship.

743
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:58.920
They need to get that.

744
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.440
They need to get that the thing to take it

745
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.679
to the place z Night to save the people Gas

746
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.559
z Night Gas.

747
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.599
Counter like plague thing.

748
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:15.079
But to counteract with the other thing.

749
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.239
Which episode starting, it's like, oh, we're gonna get a

750
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.800
botanical plague. That sounds cool, and then they're like, no.

751
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:29.920
You're gonna get Slavery just happened, And it's true that

752
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.119
it did. It did, and but this one was better,

753
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:38.880
Well yes, no it wasn't. We liked this one's better.

754
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.119
This one is better than is good.

755
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.480
This one is much better.

756
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.519
In terms of like saying interesting stuff.

757
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.199
Yeah, a lot of in terms of being good. I

758
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.320
think this episode of Star Trek was better.

759
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:58.599
In terms of like actually like being art.

760
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.039
TV TV is art.

761
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.639
TV is art. Someone asked me yesterday if I didn't

762
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.199
have to work in nine to five, what would I do?

763
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.559
And I was like, probably just make art, and I

764
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.320
meant make like improv and acting art. And he was like,

765
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.760
oh yeah, I could see you being like an artist

766
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.559
who seem very like creative and visual. And I was like, no,

767
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:24.039
from no, listen, it's art. It's all art.

768
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.719
But also the people in stratos that's all they do.

769
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.119
Okay, I take naps. Okay, if you asked me and.

770
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:42.599
Art combined art, So how can you take a nap

771
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:43.559
if you're not awake?

772
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.719
Oh?

773
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:56.599
You a philosopher at the beginning of this episode, a

774
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.559
guess like poetry.

775
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.599
So if they rhy, this is bringing up a great point, right,

776
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.960
which is like, so this this future utopia version.

777
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:15.760
Of utopia, Zutopia with a freaking centrist piece of propaganda,

778
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:23.920
terrible movie se Utopia piece of it's such a centrist

779
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.519
piece of propaganda. That movie came out, people were like, actually,

780
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.679
a great movie. It's very relevant about race. And I

781
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.920
watched that. I was like, you don't see the same

782
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:32.920
movie that I did.

783
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:41.079
Calm down, Bellhoven.

784
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.199
I find that the semolism of the Fox is like

785
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:54.400
Jesus and the hot one is like it you'll actually

786
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.320
have to bleep that one. I don't. It was.

787
00:44:58.599 --> 00:44:59.719
It was an accurate impression.

788
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.960
Definitely something that Paul Berhoman would says.

789
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.840
So funny. It's gonna be even funnier with the bleep

790
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:14.880
in this The utopian star Trek is possible because of

791
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.599
it being in a post resource world. Right. The idea

792
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.239
is that they're you could just replicate anything. So what's

793
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.800
the point of money? What's the point? What am I

794
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:26.320
just what?

795
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.719
Technically we're not at replicating?

796
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.400
Okay, sorry, just because I watched Lower Decks and there's

797
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.400
like an episode where they're on an episode where they're

798
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:39.599
on the planet. That's just they're on an episode, I'm like, okay,

799
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.480
it's really like listen so well, I guess in our

800
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.719
extra textual understanding.

801
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.159
Of it, like oola, who are you me?

802
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:57.960
Yeah? Right? See in this case, like this is this

803
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:02.840
is like an accurate representation like this world these cloudheads

804
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.480
like this world here is that they can have the

805
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.840
life they want where they Yeah, they don't have to work,

806
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:10.519
and all they have to do is just like we

807
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.199
are and music and just being a Juntu sweet lady

808
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.679
with the Christina Aguilera dirty air up top, and like

809
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:23.239
they can just do these things right like because other

810
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.119
people that they actively are, like these little dumb dumbs

811
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.920
are literally doing the physical manual labor below them on

812
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:33.079
the planet below to get them the resources they need.

813
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:38.679
And therefore like the money right, ah, is what I

814
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:45.159
say to that, which is extremely right now and all

815
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:52.039
time and forever. It's just the everything right now, so

816
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:59.519
down to the like the poor treatment, like the abusing

817
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.199
terms around things like evolution to excuse treatments of people.

818
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:04.639
Right.

819
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.599
And of course it's revealed that this gas and its

820
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.960
pure form actually like decreases like cognitive ability and like

821
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.079
increases emotional like probably like enlarges themagdala or something. I

822
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.440
didn't say that, That's what I decided because I am

823
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.719
a social or fingering. Sorry I'm talking so much.

824
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.840
I think there's I mean, I'm thinking about that in

825
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:31.000
relation to food, deserts and just yeah, it's it's the

826
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:32.679
same thing, right well.

827
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.599
And they blame it on there like it's evolution. They're

828
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.239
just little dumb dumbs and this is what they are, like,

829
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.360
this is their lot in life. It's very fucking like

830
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.239
breathing the world actually, instead of it being like fabricated,

831
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.159
it's just like but they can.

832
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.199
World a book sur is.

833
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:55.800
Curious and they uh, and they can excuse this behavior.

834
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:00.519
But like that, like a lot of the is that

835
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.000
we have literally excused slavery is through the same bad

836
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.599
arguments around like false scientific arguments around evolution. And I

837
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.159
just did air quotes are for people who are listening right,

838
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.119
like I misunderstanding of it as opposed to something like food.

839
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.960
Does it you're talking about where it's like environmental factors

840
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:20.360
which are going to affect your ability to say, move

841
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:22.960
forward in life because you didn't get enough food, because

842
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.920
you don't have access to the education, or you're in

843
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.480
a constant state of high corsol. Right anyway, you don't.

844
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.800
Do clean air right because clean air is a scarcity.

845
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.119
Asked and remind me, where where do you Where do

846
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.039
I live? Where I live a notoriously clean air city?

847
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.159
Oh my god, yeah, truly Los Angeles that they call

848
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:50.840
it the city of being able to see to the ocean.

849
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.480
The other day I could. It's because it rained and

850
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.320
it like cleared out the slog.

851
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:00.800
And tell me see your picture of l A. I'm like, oh,

852
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.960
look at that beautiful fog. And I'm like, that's Wait.

853
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:05.480
Aspen sends you pictures of La.

854
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:06.599
Do you want some?

855
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.679
I want some? Wait, you send me pictures.

856
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.760
I'll send you a picture right now. Let me send

857
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:13.239
you a picture.

858
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:17.000
I'm sorry to talk to Aspen about is whatever we

859
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.719
talk about, which is a lot unbelievable.

860
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:26.239
We only talk about LA and this smog in it. Okay, Okay,

861
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.440
I just texted your pictures from Hike.

862
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:34.559
You're welcome. Oh you don't have Instagram except you have

863
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.480
our Instagram. You were check words pods.

864
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.639
Yeah, but it's none on my phone because I did.

865
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.719
I did Instagram reels, uh on behalf of my partner, Heidi,

866
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.960
because she's frequently on Instagram reels, and so she sends

867
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.719
me reels and sometimes I just have to yeah, and

868
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.920
so I hopped on there. I lost an hour of

869
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.559
my day and I was just like, nope, I gotta

870
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.639
get this off my phone now.

871
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.000
Okay, hear a better literally, Mark Design Instagram.

872
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:03.519
Thank you so much.

873
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.400
Oh my god, Jesus, Chris, Sorry, I feel like i've

874
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.280
so anyway, I hear what you're saying, which is that

875
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.440
because I live in a city that has a lot

876
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.559
of particulates in the air, my cognitive development is delated.

877
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.760
Market know what city.

878
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.760
I've seen? I've seen lots of pictures.

879
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.840
But what is the asked me, if you could clarify

880
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.679
what city that you possibly.

881
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:40.880
Stop me? Sexy young and sexy sexy gung And okay.

882
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.760
That's again, it is the sexy Gungan of California.

883
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.639
Notoriously, I believe Arnold Schwarzenegger was the first one that

884
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:48.639
coined that phrase.

885
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.760
That's true. Back in ninety six, I.

886
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.239
Should have said Great Davis. I would have been a

887
00:50:54.280 --> 00:51:01.400
better reference, such a dunce. Great Davis, here's the governor

888
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:05.239
before Arnold Schwarzenegger. They notoriously had a recall election which

889
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.840
allowed Arnold Schwarzenegger to then become presidents because no one

890
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.440
had faith in Great Davis's ability to leave this great

891
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:11.440
state of California.

892
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:14.559
California. Wait, let me go back to what she said.

893
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.800
You're a dunce, much like how they considered them to

894
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.760
be dunces on the planet. They called them traga lights.

895
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:29.559
At first, I thought they was saying trogolodytes weirdly, and

896
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:31.000
they do reference.

897
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.800
Which is fascinating. There's so many questions. There's just so

898
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.400
many questions because if we're troglodytes exists in this culture,

899
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.159
what does that mean in terms of is this a

900
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.719
human colony? What does this mean?

901
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:52.400
But don't I did wonder because the trog lights, I

902
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.119
was like, are they supposed to be aliens? Because they're

903
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:57.360
one percent human? But they have long hair, long sexy hair.

904
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.320
And then they wear little visors and there was the

905
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:01.159
only thing that was like.

906
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.800
They wear a little Captain Cold type A visors.

907
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.840
They wear them because it's so dark in the mines.

908
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:12.440
That they right is not minus.

909
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:16.239
It's like an remember that remember that reference that.

910
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.719
I just made minus not minus from Hot Fuzz Galaxy Quest.

911
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.000
It's usually Hot Fuzz a.

912
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.559
Great movie because they stumble upon, well we'll cover it

913
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:30.360
in our Galaxy Quest versus Baseball's episode, but they stumble

914
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.800
upon because they're trying to get another Berrillian sphere for

915
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.360
the spaceship, and so Alan Rickman and the crew stumble

916
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.800
upon this group of miners, but they look like children,

917
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.000
and so they're like, yeah, they look like kids, and

918
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.199
Alan Rickman goes minus not minus.

919
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.519
Incredibleman is the name? I give it a coffee place.

920
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.119
If I don't want to give my real name and

921
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.159
they're like, what's your name? I always say Guy Fleman.

922
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.039
Have you seen a Galax question?

923
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.679
Yeah, it's just been a while. I've only seen and

924
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.039
they're not called aliens termites.

925
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.639
Anyways, we're not here for a galaxy quest. Too bad,

926
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:10.800
this is a quest balls each week.

927
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:14.519
Yeah.

928
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.599
Well, not to just keep bringing up the fact that

929
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.639
Aspen lives in California, but the genesis of this episode

930
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:27.039
was actually influenced by the class stratification that original series

931
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:33.440
writer David Gerald found. It was influenced by specifically he

932
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.119
be he living in Beverly Hills or not in Beverly

933
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.159
Hills but in Los Angeles at the time. Yeah, was

934
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.519
like really frustrated about the fact that there are those

935
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:50.599
folks that are literally living higher than folks that are

936
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.039
living in Watts, who are having to drive into Beverly

937
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.599
Hills and take care of literally everything and then drive

938
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.159
back to Watts. That very specific thing, and so that

939
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:06.360
was the genesis of this episode, and it was originally

940
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.599
going to be Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Chekov and Aurura Aura

941
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.639
yet again not getting any time, getting some screen.

942
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:17.880
Time person that rules it's true.

943
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:23.280
And then instead of kind of you know, caves, they

944
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.599
would have crashed in a mid twentieth century slum. There

945
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.639
is trash and litter in the street, a gaunt eyed

946
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.599
children stare at them. Poverty and despair are very apparent.

947
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:36.079
Instead of trick lights, they would have been known as mannis,

948
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:41.079
otherwise known as manual laborers and aspen get ready, this

949
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:45.480
would have been sick for centuries. The Mannies have mined

950
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:47.880
the di lithium crystals.

951
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.159
Dude, this would have been better.

952
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:53.400
Isn't that a Star Wars thing?

953
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:55.960
No, that's a Star Trek thing. That's the thing that

954
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:57.280
makes the ship go.

955
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.519
Oh my god. That would have been so oh because

956
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.440
I live for like time travel shit that if they

957
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.119
found out that like the reason they can do what

958
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.760
they're doing now is because of this summering in the past, oh,

959
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:12.760
I would have died.

960
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:17.800
And then the end of the episode, David Gerald says

961
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:19.719
as featured in These Are the Voyages Season three by

962
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:23.039
Mark cushman'zus. Last morn in the they interviewed him, and

963
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.599
David Gerald said, in the story, we solve the immediate

964
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.519
problem of getting some kind of cooperation between the two cultures.

965
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.280
But as we were leaving, Kirk says, well, we've helped

966
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.679
another planet and McCoy says, yes, but how many children

967
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:35.960
will die in the meantime?

968
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.039
Oh Jesus, I.

969
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.239
Do feel like that's kind of where the episode, which

970
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.719
I liked left off, was it there were a lot

971
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.519
of things they obviously had to do story wise in

972
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.159
order to be able to convene me kind of wrap

973
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.679
up a lot of plot threads right where it's like, oh,

974
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:54.880
there has to be a reason that these people are

975
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.679
like not as intelligent or whatever. It has to be

976
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:00.400
something that can be solved immediately. Yeah, But I did

977
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.159
like how they left the like cliffhanger, just like we're

978
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:05.679
going to have to have talks once my people gain

979
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.079
their intelligence back, and they just kind of like left

980
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.519
it being like it's not a neat bow. It was like, Oh,

981
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:11.159
I like that.

982
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.719
It was like intense too, Like that that dude, the

983
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:20.719
cloud guy was like, don't fucking come back. Rage, like

984
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:25.840
absolute rage. He hated Kirk so much. I don't know. Yeah,

985
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.320
Like it was basically like if you come back, like

986
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:33.719
this is for us to figure out, you know, And

987
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:40.039
it's interesting too because it's great, it's interesting. It's a

988
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.239
very like we were just talking about this, like you know,

989
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.159
it's interference, but it is. It's clearly for a reason,

990
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.159
like you said, like there is lots of reasons why

991
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:52.119
because they need to get this material, and also there

992
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.519
is huge perceived injustice. I mean, there's a huge injustice

993
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.440
here and there are people literally fighting against conditions. I

994
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.000
almost like, I mean, I do like this sort of

995
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:07.360
the calling to the idea that we're going to find

996
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.800
any reason we can to say that the people that

997
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.800
we are making work in these spaces and do this

998
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:15.960
manual labor are not as smart as us, is not

999
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.920
as good as us. So I think it's actually very

1000
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:21.519
I thought it was very thoughtful and interesting to actually

1001
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.880
have it be a physical thing, right because to related

1002
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.119
to current events. Who are the people that do our

1003
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.199
manual labor? Who are the people that pick our food?

1004
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:30.519
Right?

1005
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:33.760
It's typically migrants. It's immigrants, whether they are documented or no.

1006
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.679
And you find reasons to say these people are not

1007
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:41.519
as good as you. Some people say that what's up?

1008
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.760
I do like though, to take the time to be

1009
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.599
like obviously the like city councilor or whatever, I can't remember.

1010
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:54.920
His role was that brow that had an active animosity

1011
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:57.639
for the truck lights, whereas they also should like his

1012
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.559
daughter being like, I don't know, I have anima. I

1013
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:02.960
don't hate them, but also they are worse than us.

1014
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:04.840
Just that's the way it is. And it wasn't this

1015
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.079
like hatred from her perspective, but it was still as harmful,

1016
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:09.239
if not more harmful.

1017
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:13.599
Yes, Mark, Yes, this sort of like I mean, we're

1018
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.079
talking about earlier the naivete and then she lives in

1019
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:25.199
blissful or possibly willful ignorance, especially considering that uh Vana

1020
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:30.760
is like within her sphere of influence. But drock scene

1021
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:38.360
is not extending, extending in olive branch because just assuming

1022
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.679
that this is the way, because that's the danger of

1023
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.039
a set status quo. I think we just kind of

1024
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.519
get settled into the thing. But luckily the neutral starfleet

1025
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.199
can come in and be like, hmmm, pretty fishy, it's

1026
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.760
pretty fishy. There's a thing that's going on.

1027
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.920
There was, Yeah, there was a moment in the episode.

1028
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.800
I just remember again as I kind of alluded to

1029
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:06.559
the obviously like in order to fit this entire parable

1030
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.760
in fifty minutes or whatever, they do have to there

1031
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.480
have to be just like easy outs. But there was

1032
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.719
a moment about halfway through the show where Vana gets

1033
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.239
captured and they're like torturing her to figure out where

1034
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:27.480
this the yeah and kirking them or it's like that's horrible,

1035
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.199
that's not worth it, And the city councilor douche guy

1036
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.000
is like, but if I have to torture her to

1037
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.480
save like an entire planet full of people, And I

1038
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:40.039
was like, there is a really interesting discussion of push

1039
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:42.880
pool of like, you know, if there isn't like a

1040
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:46.920
easy out solution that isn't torture, it's like where does this,

1041
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.000
you know, where do these things start to go and

1042
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.719
where those conversations go. It kind of reminded me of

1043
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.280
like a like a Battlestar Galactica reboot scenario.

1044
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.360
Mark Ranchow, this is Star Trek versus Listen to our

1045
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.199
Battlestar Galactico versus Star eight episode. You can listen earlier

1046
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:03.880
in our catalog.

1047
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.239
Mark you must be I thought, was I'm so sorry?

1048
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:12.519
Oh, my god, Wow, that's bye.

1049
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:18.519
I mean Star Trek can vacillate between we have to

1050
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.719
save all these people or we won't let one person

1051
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:25.679
die for the sake of all of us, depends depends

1052
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:30.639
this week. It is, uh, we can't let one person

1053
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.519
suffer at the hands to save all these people. But

1054
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.199
luckily it all works out. Don't interrogate it too much.

1055
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:41.199
Right, I mean, we could look at us Kirk's like,

1056
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.639
when has torture ever worked? Just coming from a practical perspective,

1057
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:51.320
it doesn't. It truly tests the Steady Show. It just

1058
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.400
doesn't because people will just start to say whatever, just right. So,

1059
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:59.800
but yeah, no, there is a sort of you know

1060
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.760
what that's making me think of, though, is I'm not

1061
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:07.760
saying that like protest is putting, say, people's lives in danger,

1062
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:09.880
like innocent people's lives in danger. But you know when

1063
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:12.760
there are protests and they're like, protest is doing what

1064
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:17.039
it should do, which is actively disrupt the flow of life,

1065
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.840
because we're trying to draw attention to the injustice of

1066
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:21.840
a thing, and that's not going to work unless we

1067
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.880
are doing we're kind of actively doing that. And I

1068
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:26.920
feel like there's a similar sort of vibe there, which

1069
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:32.440
is just like, well, you're hurting people by protesting for

1070
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.039
your literal rights in your literal life, Like you're the

1071
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.639
selfish one because you're hurting these other people. And in

1072
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:42.079
this case, Vaughn is like like they had they're like

1073
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.719
she actively says that. She's like she they think that

1074
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.960
the enterprise is there to terrorize them, right, So she's

1075
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.039
so even from her perspective, she's just like, this isn't

1076
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:54.840
actually like she is not saying it is like, this

1077
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:58.000
is your goal, right, she like, and also she's going

1078
01:01:58.000 --> 01:01:59.719
to do They're going to do whatever they can to

1079
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.639
right infiltrate to try to get these rights right, whether

1080
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:03.719
whatever that means.

1081
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.559
Yeah, I love that she like and no point takes

1082
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.199
like the quote unquote like high road right where I

1083
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.639
feel like somebody shirts would be like she's gonna trust Kirk,

1084
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.480
She's going to do this, and the whole time she's like, Nope,

1085
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.880
you're the enemy, You're the bag, like I'm looking at

1086
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:17.599
for my people.

1087
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.440
I love that bitch. I love her. She was frankly

1088
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.480
the hottest lady that's ever been on except for her

1089
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:29.320
on Star Trek and her vibe. Oh except for that

1090
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:32.400
one lady from Troyannis or whatever anyway on Troy.

1091
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:36.639
Yeah, yeah, she could step on me repeatedly.

1092
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:38.119
WHOA.

1093
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.440
But at the same time, if Kirk is our protagonist

1094
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:44.920
because he's the enlightened centrist, that it's coming along and

1095
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.800
being like, isn't that situation a little bit silly? Kind

1096
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:52.239
of pulling a sorry Mark, let that be your last battlefield,

1097
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:57.599
albeit in a much less severe form by going the

1098
01:02:57.639 --> 01:02:58.639
split sides.

1099
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.280
Black and white, white and black yet.

1100
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.440
And the whole episode hammering it south of being like,

1101
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.079
aren't both science stilly?

1102
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:08.320
Oh my god?

1103
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.280
But then I believe this episode is able to kind

1104
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.760
of pull out of that by it does putting putting them.

1105
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:22.119
It's the conditions of the gas that that that the

1106
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.760
folks that are living on Stratos have been inflicting on them,

1107
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:27.920
and all of them, all of them suffer for it.

1108
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:33.960
Which is it is? I don't It just felt really

1109
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.920
great to be like Kirk is getting affected by it,

1110
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:39.760
because so many times Kirk is just like the love

1111
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:41.760
of my chip, the love of my ship will pull

1112
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:46.199
me through. Yeah, no one, no one can, No one

1113
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:47.159
is invincible from this.

1114
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.239
I like that he didn't realize it either, because as

1115
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:52.360
an audience wim where I was like, I don't think

1116
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.119
he's like I was in the same boat where you're

1117
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.760
like he's not being affected. You're like, oh he is.

1118
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:57.880
Yeah, which is great.

1119
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.840
See where he's like, it's like he's because at that

1120
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:05.679
point he's like trapped counselman dude and Vana in these

1121
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:09.119
minds with him, and there's like this shot of him

1122
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.480
and you could already tell he's starting to like lose

1123
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.400
it because like he's standing there like this, like his

1124
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.320
hand like the guns like right here, like like a

1125
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.079
little like a little squirrely dude from a gangster film

1126
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:21.079
who's just like, hey.

1127
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:21.559
What you doing?

1128
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:22.039
You got it?

1129
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.719
I guess right, I'm a film noir.

1130
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.880
It's like his favorite episode of Star Trek Piece of

1131
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:30.199
the Action.

1132
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:31.639
God, damn, I don't like that.

1133
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:32.960
It's a great episode.

1134
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:41.039
Not that good. I don't like, Oh, gosh, dang it,

1135
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:43.559
what what I just forgot that?

1136
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.400
I forgot to research the French Resistance?

1137
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:50.880
Interesting? Oh for Star Wars.

1138
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:52.320
Which I feel like, is it is good enough of

1139
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:54.760
time to segue into talking about the Star Wars plant,

1140
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:59.400
but also like yeah, look, come on, yeah, they're pulling

1141
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.880
all the time from World War Two. Aesthetics starting from

1142
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:08.960
the very first Star Wars the motion picture. And now

1143
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.679
the Twilets are French. They're French. Now they're French. Now

1144
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:12.199
they're French.

1145
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:17.800
Now the accents distracted they are they are.

1146
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:20.320
I don't know which point they're officially made French. I

1147
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.000
think the thing is that, like twilet's very infrequently talk

1148
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.840
like an original Star Wars, they just they I feel

1149
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:32.760
like they typically are marginalized and slaved people, especially female twilets, like.

1150
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:36.760
Yeah, well, because episode one, one of Palatine's helpers is

1151
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:42.480
a twilek right, and he seems to be an American sounding.

1152
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.199
Dude, You're right, he is.

1153
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:50.840
But then as they covered in the felony zone, George

1154
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:54.119
was like he George wants all races to sound the

1155
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.679
same and be reflective of the exact same culture. So

1156
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.760
now all Twilics are French. Now they're French.

1157
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:08.199
Now, thing are they like genuinely intentionally coated French? Here

1158
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:08.559
they are?

1159
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:09.440
Yeah?

1160
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.320
I mean they and from here on out, except from

1161
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:13.000
here on out.

1162
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.519
They speak and so and even and I'll tell you

1163
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.119
a little bit and Rebels Star Wars, Star Wars Rebels

1164
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:30.519
Hara Sindula So, daughter of spondulamp Shomps Shompson.

1165
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.360
You know you need Shandula.

1166
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:36.639
I know you need you need New York Champson Doula

1167
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:39.519
so Harris Soindula who's part of this. She doesn't have

1168
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.519
an accent because she's like neutralized it. And then when

1169
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:44.719
she goes back home and is like talking to her

1170
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.400
dad and talking to her family, the French accent comes back.

1171
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:49.440
And like when she gets like mad, the French accent

1172
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:53.960
comes back, which is very actually extremely relatable, like as

1173
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.239
the person who like when I would talk to my mom,

1174
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.480
so the deeply southern accent, and you know.

1175
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.960
Completely, I did not even clock that they had French accents.

1176
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:07.000
It's when I was like those the accents were distracting, I.

1177
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:13.400
Was, ye, they're they're French accents retrospect.

1178
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.639
I did not think about it at the time.

1179
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.639
At the time, and yeah, they're speaking another language and

1180
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:22.079
not speaking French, like they're speaking in tilic language, right

1181
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:26.760
Loftian thing. But they do. They all have this and

1182
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.280
that is who they are.

1183
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:29.719
They are French now.

1184
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:31.000
They are French now.

1185
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:32.159
They are French now.

1186
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:35.599
Before I asked you a question mark, you're right about

1187
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.039
like the World War two aesthetics, so but I still think, like,

1188
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:41.840
especially with this, this is more than like back to

1189
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.440
like resistance fighting like, which I think is actually more

1190
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:49.840
in line with Middle East like Afghanistan rock war stuff.

1191
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.920
That's That's interesting because even though the Twills are coded

1192
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.639
as French with their accents at the same time all

1193
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:01.880
as one of our one of science fiction's favorite things,

1194
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:07.239
which is the music vaguely Middle Easter, Yeah.

1195
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:09.079
Which is just lethering in general.

1196
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:12.840
Sometimes I do wonder if you, like, we're going to

1197
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:14.719
make them French as an intentional choice to be like,

1198
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.359
we're going to code them as like a white culture

1199
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:21.319
so that we can't be accused of anything else.

1200
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:22.960
Interesting.

1201
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:28.920
Interesting now, as you and I both know that that

1202
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.000
would never stop George Lucas.

1203
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.760
That's true. George would not give a ship, as we

1204
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:43.159
know since Neumoidians have very specifically Asian accents. He doesn't

1205
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.720
give a ship. And one time a cousin of Java

1206
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:54.920
the Hut sounded like, that's not racism, that's just.

1207
01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:00.279
Home Zero and the Clone Wars film that you saw

1208
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.439
and loved are currently wearing a T shirt up.

1209
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.359
Yeah, that you've got will these posters everywhere you've a

1210
01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:06.760
tattooed on your chest.

1211
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.640
Yeah, it's all the way down to the navel.

1212
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:16.199
Wow, job as child who that commitment a soka A

1213
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:16.920
tube time.

1214
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:21.399
It's weird how prominent and tube top thing is. Mark.

1215
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:23.680
I prefer that you put your shirt back on for

1216
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:24.159
that one.

1217
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:26.039
I'm gonna leave it off for the rest of the

1218
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:31.399
pot and I'll show you my back tattoos at the end.

1219
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.920
So, Mark, how did you as a Star Wars fan? Yes, Wars,

1220
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:41.640
you love Star Wars, Having like watched a little bit

1221
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.760
of clon Wars, you said you probably you said you

1222
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.239
probably might not have liked this as much as us.

1223
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:50.119
But how did you find How did you find this episode?

1224
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:52.319
Did you find this episode?

1225
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:58.600
It was online? It was very easy and fine scene.

1226
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.760
I have been fun here, Oh my god, we have fun.

1227
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:09.079
Look at those who have thought, well, I don't know.

1228
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:10.439
It's one of those things where I feel like my

1229
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.039
viewing of the Star Wars episode was very much because

1230
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.119
I watched the Star Trek episode first, and so I

1231
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:18.760
feel like I was just like.

1232
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.600
The same way I do it me too.

1233
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:22.560
I don't know, So I just feel like I was

1234
01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.920
kind of slammed over the head by the Stark juxtaposition

1235
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.439
of the styles of storytelling and just the pacing and

1236
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:34.840
the assumed the target audience, because when they Clone Wars

1237
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:36.800
episode end and I was just like, oh, we're done,

1238
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.840
Like oh that was a lot very quickly, and I

1239
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.279
kept waiting for it to like dig deeper as the

1240
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:44.479
Star Trek episode did.

1241
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:47.439
Oh again, Yeah, I guess in this case, we have

1242
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:49.319
one bird, we have a we have a listener, Aaron,

1243
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:52.279
who is like, shouldn't you be listening to these and like,

1244
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:53.800
if there's going to be an arc, you listen to

1245
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:55.399
the whole you watch the whole arc, and we're just

1246
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:56.159
like now.

1247
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.560
I mean it was fully It's like I fully grasped

1248
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:03.000
and understood it, and it wasn't There was no moment

1249
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.199
where I was like, who is this character? It's like, yeah,

1250
01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:08.279
I get it, it's an arc.

1251
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:09.000
It's not.

1252
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:15.680
Least would be less jarring if they didn't have the newsreel,

1253
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.680
simply because there is a reintroduction to all the things

1254
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:24.680
post newsreel to kind of recenterize because there's so much

1255
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.319
exposition up at the top, and then the dramatic storytelling

1256
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.920
takes charge.

1257
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:35.960
Yeah afterwards, So so yeah, this actually I wonder if

1258
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.199
like I'll watch Star Trek pers because it's longer, and

1259
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.279
I know it's longer, so that's typically I don't know

1260
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:43.520
why it's like typically why I watch it first, and

1261
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:45.399
then I watched Star Wars, so I understand the feeling

1262
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.239
of like I just watched like fifty minutes and now

1263
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:51.760
I'm just watching like twenty five, and that the storytelling

1264
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:55.680
of the thing is so frankly concise and can be

1265
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:58.319
a lot more action oriented, like Star Trek will sometimes,

1266
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.239
especially in the season three, it'll be like they're like,

1267
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:04.800
it feels like they're filling time. Sometimes like you're just like, cool,

1268
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.520
this could have been a nice, little, tight, thirty minute

1269
01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:08.680
aut but we can't do that.

1270
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:10.600
In season three of Star Trek, there will be a

1271
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:13.119
seven minute scene of Kirk being like, surely you can't

1272
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:17.600
be crazy too right. You are, oh my gosh, but

1273
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:20.439
surely you can't be crazy too right.

1274
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:24.079
What The only time it's ever worked to just stay

1275
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.399
atmospheric and be like, what's happening is that one where

1276
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:28.760
they end up at the Okay Corral? Anyway, you should

1277
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:30.720
watch that episode. That's the only one I'll excuse for

1278
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:33.359
having a lot of like because it's very atmospheric moments

1279
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:35.039
of quiet spectra.

1280
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:36.079
Of the gun so good.

1281
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:40.720
The Star Trek did have like a I don't know,

1282
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.640
like ten minutes and did have a sequence in which

1283
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.119
Spock just recapped everything had just been happening and like

1284
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:47.479
a weird like dream.

1285
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:50.560
That's like it never happened, and I was has never

1286
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:51.840
happened before it was.

1287
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:55.560
We Okay, we haven't talked about it. I'm not gonna.

1288
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:57.640
We shouldn't want to talk about Star Wars, but I

1289
01:12:57.760 --> 01:12:59.000
do just want to say.

1290
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:00.199
I just do fight.

1291
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:01.119
I'll hold it all.

1292
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:02.239
I want you to talk about it.

1293
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:05.279
Right No, no, no, no, talk about it when you.

1294
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.479
Get to talk about it right now. Please. I just

1295
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:09.079
need you to talk about it right now, or else

1296
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:10.159
I'm going to lose my mind.

1297
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:13.319
The Star Trek episodes see young and.

1298
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:16.439
I like that.

1299
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.439
Spock gets to have a lot of interest.

1300
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:21.000
Oh yeah, you're right. We can talk about that.

1301
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:22.600
We can talk about it later. I just like it.

1302
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:26.079
It's like it when it happens, it very it doesn't happen,

1303
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.960
so it's nice. Sometimes it's just devastating when it does.

1304
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:30.560
It's devastating every time.

1305
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:32.319
This time it wasn't devastating.

1306
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.079
It wasn't devastating this time anyway.

1307
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:36.359
So Star Wars and.

1308
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.760
Will say I was like, I was vary into the

1309
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:41.279
Star Wars episode almost immediately, just like a little like

1310
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:43.359
battle on the cliff side and all the little like

1311
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.000
there the moment when the little back of the I

1312
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.319
don't know, the troop transport drops down and the little

1313
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.600
like walkers pop up and start running. I was just

1314
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:54.439
like it like blew the back of my little, like

1315
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:58.479
five year old brain. Just like I love everything I.

1316
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.520
Will say this episode. There was a moment in this

1317
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.880
episode that felt like the way I felt when I

1318
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.239
saw Phantom Menace for the first time when I was nine.

1319
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.960
There was something wild. It's like the music, wait the camera,

1320
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:11.119
sorry Kenny.

1321
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:16.760
Yes, Max wind Do breaks glass with the force.

1322
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:18.039
That was the coolest thing.

1323
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:21.239
It was really cool. What I liked about it is

1324
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:24.079
that Mace Window used the force and he broke it

1325
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:24.920
to glass.

1326
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:27.520
This is why I was like, is this kind of

1327
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:29.640
like Tartakovsky like that episode, because you know how he's

1328
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.039
like Flattens in that in this one he is like

1329
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:35.239
it was one of those moments where you're like, oh,

1330
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:38.560
that's right. That's why they talk about Mace Window as

1331
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.159
being one of the most powerful Jedi, like what he

1332
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:47.720
can do like they do. Yes, I just feel like

1333
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:52.159
that's that's the thing. Oh, Like there's something that Anakin

1334
01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:54.720
says once like even more powerful than like Master wind Dow,

1335
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:58.720
like he is seen as an extremely powerful like Jedi.

1336
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.399
Like it's I feel like that's I didn't.

1337
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.319
Just like the prequels a whole bunch of thought, ass man,

1338
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:08.600
Like there's heroes on both sides.

1339
01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:14.600
That this episode. That's true and somehow Palpatinet return. That's

1340
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:15.319
not the prequels.

1341
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:21.920
They got paid so much money to write that line.

1342
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.640
But I hope that they at least gave to a

1343
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:29.159
great charity because of how much money that they they

1344
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.199
gave found an organization.

1345
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:33.439
They just need a reason. It's not the point of

1346
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:34.760
the story.

1347
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:39.079
That never mind, we're not talking about Rise of Skywalker.

1348
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:40.439
That's a different point.

1349
01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.680
Mace is so strong and this like he's doing things

1350
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.039
that other Jedi couldn't couldn't like break a glass, like

1351
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:50.720
break glass like.

1352
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:52.720
I do like that little stuff, Like I love the

1353
01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:54.680
little things when you're like, oh, this is a power

1354
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:57.119
set and we're gonna find a little weird ways you

1355
01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.920
don't see normally, like exploit it. I love them, just

1356
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:01.560
like I'm gonna pop the glass to get this guy.

1357
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:02.520
There was very cool.

1358
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:06.560
Oh god, so cool, so clear, there's beggar stuff, but

1359
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.960
like he doesn't feel overpowered, but he like I had chills,

1360
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:12.680
Like I think at one point, like I think when

1361
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.159
they nearer to the end of the episode, when they

1362
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.000
get into the city, you know it goes across. Oh

1363
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:18.760
oh that's what it was. Oh my god, there's this

1364
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.520
that scene. That scene where because they're on that bridge

1365
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:23.279
that like plasma bridge I don't know, and so that

1366
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:25.880
bridge can just disappear if they power it down right,

1367
01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:30.439
they've like Trojan horsed it. Okay for me, I haven't

1368
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:33.479
seen this. It's one of the best things I've ever seen. Like, uh,

1369
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.279
they hide inside and like but then like the droids

1370
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:38.960
byd them and they pop out and they're like fight, fight, fighting,

1371
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.319
and then they turn off the bridge.

1372
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:42.960
Listen to asp.

1373
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:48.680
And he throws two of the two of the clones

1374
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:52.239
who like he put force pushes them so they grab

1375
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:56.199
onto the cliff. He launches himself up, grabs on to

1376
01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:02.399
a droid that's on his little flying flying segue, and

1377
01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:06.640
then he launches himself over and during that entire sequence,

1378
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:10.159
the sound and the music just drops out.

1379
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:14.039
Like saving Private ryans it was so cool.

1380
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:19.520
So you're right the aesthetics World War two, it's like

1381
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.479
a combination of World War two like Middle East like

1382
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.680
kind of stuff for sure that but be like being like, yeah,

1383
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:28.359
saving Private Ryan very real. It was one of the

1384
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:35.439
coolest things I've seen in Star Wars, Like something about

1385
01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.359
the way it was shot, like the fluidity of it, like,

1386
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.960
oh god, And again I think the sound did a lot.

1387
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:45.039
That lack of sound was extraordinary. I was like, is

1388
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:49.000
this art so anyway?

1389
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:52.319
Yeah, the choreography, you feel like the whole episode of

1390
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:54.399
just like the action and the movement and the things

1391
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:56.520
like the whole time you were just like, I get

1392
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:00.000
a very good at your job because this is very dynamic.

1393
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:00.960
Make me very cool.

1394
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:03.960
And it hasn't like there's we're not that many episodes in,

1395
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:08.439
and the animation has gotten so much better, so quickly we.

1396
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:12.800
Are a bunch of episodes in because the next episode

1397
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:14.159
is the last episode of season one.

1398
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.680
What okay, Well, I guess in my mind, I'm like

1399
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:21.319
we're only in first season, like because in my mind

1400
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:23.560
I was like, it doesn't get until like five but

1401
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:24.800
it's good.

1402
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.439
Like animation, the show doesn't get good until season five.

1403
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.680
You just gotta get run.

1404
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:42.039
Give give season five though, and even then it's like

1405
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:44.680
the second half fifth season.

1406
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:50.680
I would actually say, really is like one episode one

1407
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.119
tell you One're just one long show.

1408
01:18:57.560 --> 01:18:58.760
Quaran could have.

1409
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:06.199
Directed, Quaran is the good one? In your etwo is

1410
01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.479
the one that's bad? Quaran bothers to cut stuff up?

1411
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:16.560
Oh yes, but but yes, but even then the whole

1412
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:18.279
movie was a big long shot.

1413
01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:23.479
He used that to uh for success in immersion as

1414
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:26.680
opposed to in your etwo. We're talking about bird Man,

1415
01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:30.039
We're talking about Birdman. Now, it's Birdman now, it's now.

1416
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:32.479
Where he did in Birdman was like, oh, okay, I

1417
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:35.319
get it. It's the after call. And then he doesn't

1418
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:37.159
the revinant, and I'm like, what is that?

1419
01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.880
I don't like it. I don't like long takes full stop?

1420
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.359
What about? I don't like long takes? What about and irritating.

1421
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:47.359
Everywhere?

1422
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:53.840
That was cute in nineteen seventeen. I find it. It

1423
01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:56.039
creates a distance from the distance.

1424
01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:57.720
Yeah you think so too.

1425
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:01.600
Yeah, it also breaks the narrative makes sense structurally, because.

1426
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:05.079
Really I thought it created a sense of intimacy and immediacy,

1427
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:09.520
Wild Kenny and I had completely opposite views of like

1428
01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:11.119
intimacy and distance.

1429
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:15.000
It's interesting, Wild, Yeah, that's why you dated.

1430
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:16.920
It's true.

1431
01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:18.720
It's the only reason.

1432
01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:20.319
The only reason, the only reason.

1433
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:22.920
WHOA, he said, with a chuckle.

1434
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.800
He's going to kill me talking about that.

1435
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:27.239
That's right.

1436
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:32.159
What are you thinking about? What are you thinking about?

1437
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.960
I was thinking about because you've seen I saw the tvgo.

1438
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:38.560
Right, actually have it. I'm afraid to watch it. I'm

1439
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:40.640
actually afraid to watch it. I think I have to

1440
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.560
like be in a deeply like, emotionally like well state.

1441
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:50.840
I mean this recent aesthetic of movies where I find

1442
01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:55.199
that all of these movies are a good portion of

1443
01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:58.399
movies that are supposedly raw and emotional, I find them

1444
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:02.600
quite distant. I forget what it was, but I was

1445
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:06.159
making the argument that those things, those films that are

1446
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:14.119
kind of operating sparsely and visually distant for Aspen and

1447
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:17.880
I forget what the example is that makes you feel

1448
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:22.119
immersed into specific emotionality. Meanwhile, it feels completely foreign to me.

1449
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:26.560
But a world that is completely wall to wall dialogue

1450
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.079
and very close up, I'm like, right, this feels familiar.

1451
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.159
This feels very raw, This feels very emotional. Perhaps it's

1452
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:37.840
because I am I need someone to be unsettled and

1453
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.439
just kind of slap me upside the head in terms

1454
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:45.119
of being like it is emotion, which is entirely possible.

1455
01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:49.199
Well except for nineteen seventeen a film, but I probably

1456
01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:51.439
But like the other ones were talking about, I saw

1457
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:53.560
the TV glow we were talking about Past Lives.

1458
01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:57.159
Oh yeah, I think those Past Lives were all of.

1459
01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:02.960
Those films, like two of them, particularly queerness like trans

1460
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.800
Identities one of them. I feel like, very focused on

1461
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:08.399
a story about a woman. And that's that's not to

1462
01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:10.720
say like there's inclusion factory, but I wonder if it's

1463
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:12.279
like and I say this not in the way it's

1464
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:13.920
going to sound, but I wonder if perhaps Aaron not

1465
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:17.119
stories that that are resonant for you, how.

1466
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:20.239
Dare you actually?

1467
01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:28.560
Whereas for me, they're like I've never felt so seen

1468
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:30.359
kind of thing.

1469
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.199
I mean, that's me, that's absolutely possible.

1470
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:39.199
All the Strangers made me have a total breakdown.

1471
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:44.880
How much both of those movies know All the Strangers twice.

1472
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:47.479
And I could literally I could literally never I was like,

1473
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:49.439
I'm never going to watch the film I Gain, I

1474
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:50.279
was like, I can't.

1475
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.840
And because it was at such a distance for me,

1476
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:54.439
I was like, watch that again.

1477
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.119
It was like I feel like my heart has been

1478
01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:57.880
torn out.

1479
01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:04.319
And meanwhile like, I can never watch Smile Too again.

1480
01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:08.319
It is great.

1481
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:10.319
I'm never gonna watch it ever again.

1482
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.039
And a Smile one made me want to kill someone.

1483
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:16.520
Oh man, the end of Smile Too, I was just like, hell, yeah,

1484
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:18.000
it's a great ending.

1485
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:21.079
So Star Wars.

1486
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:22.520
Star Wars.

1487
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:29.239
Sorry, we haven't really talked about the actual structure of

1488
01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:33.439
the resistance and what it serves in relation. We talked

1489
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:36.399
about at length. The political structure within the Cloud Mind

1490
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.119
is probably because it's a little bit more plainly stated

1491
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.960
as opposed to there's a resistance and then there's the

1492
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.920
people in power that are out of touch and I

1493
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.279
guess seriously occupying for us being the separatists.

1494
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:58.079
Yeah, because it's there's the senator from ryloth Orn free

1495
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:03.079
ta Orn free Ta You know him, you love him? Yeah,

1496
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:09.680
who is I think representing Probably an elite that is

1497
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:15.119
like not listening to the needs of people. That's that's

1498
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:17.520
i'd bringer is what it is. If I unless I

1499
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:18.479
was making that up.

1500
01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:25.079
And absolutely I think yet another example of shorthand filmmaking.

1501
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:27.600
How do we show that this corrupt senator is corrupt?

1502
01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:28.760
You make them a big fan?

1503
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:35.000
Yeah, you can't.

1504
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:38.880
You can't just have a character that's over wight like

1505
01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:43.399
lower Decks does, though she does command Star a sad yes,

1506
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:47.399
but she's so nice.

1507
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.479
It was interesting that like comparing the two episodes was

1508
01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:56.520
like because in the Star Trek episode, they're like Enterprise

1509
01:24:56.640 --> 01:25:01.000
crew meet the kind of like splinter faction, the kind

1510
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.159
of freedom fighter slash terrorists wherever point of view kind

1511
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:07.479
of thing, but they meet them first and then meet

1512
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:09.960
the kind of like wealthier cloud people. And it was

1513
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:12.239
reversed in Star Wars where they meet this like or

1514
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:15.880
at least maybe the audience. We see the like senators

1515
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.600
first and their perspective of the kind of like freedom fighters,

1516
01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:23.119
and then we meet them second, which is a perspective shift.

1517
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:28.159
Right, because it's like he Sean was Sindola was characterized

1518
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:31.239
by the senator as you know, he's like power hungry

1519
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:33.479
and he wants to unseat me, and like these are

1520
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:35.560
dangerous and this is going to be like this is

1521
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:40.199
going to be a problem. He's uncontrollable. Yeah, and you're

1522
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:42.760
absolutely right, like you got that impression first, and then

1523
01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:46.760
working with them. Interestingly, the like shoug lights or whatever,

1524
01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:49.560
like their first impressions of them are to be tried.

1525
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:52.840
They tried to like take them captive and then they can.

1526
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:55.000
Fix one of them. Which is my favorite moment of

1527
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:59.000
theis Oh my gosh, there's one guy in that fight

1528
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.359
scene who he's just possibly one of the most thrilling

1529
01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.000
things that I've seen in terms of fight choreography and

1530
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.560
Star Trek. There's one guy who on frame.

1531
01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:10.640
Left just launches himself into the frame and then hits

1532
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:14.279
hits Hits. Kirker whoever Kirk stunt double is. It's just

1533
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:17.119
like there's so many world building questions. What just happened?

1534
01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:19.479
Is there a trampoline that's placed there? In real life?

1535
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.800
Do I say about the world building right there? Is

1536
01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:25.600
there a rock that is placed there? So far just

1537
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.319
have built up muscles right there because of working with

1538
01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:36.479
their hands. Anyways, we're talking about Star warst Wars.

1539
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:38.359
I mean, but in both cases, just like look at

1540
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:42.039
these monster you know, they're not maybe not monsters so

1541
01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:44.840
much in Star Wars, but it's like ah Heathen's like

1542
01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:50.079
uncivilized and like I think it's pretty clear. It's like

1543
01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:54.239
Sean san Jewel is just like, hey, you're not You're

1544
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.199
not like aware of or providing the kind like he's

1545
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:01.560
kind of like a populous leader, right like, but like.

1546
01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:03.159
It is interesting because like you do get the perspective

1547
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:05.720
from the senator first, but then they also take the

1548
01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:07.880
time to have the moment where you see that like

1549
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:10.520
graveyard and they're like, oh, these are they're dead and

1550
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.079
they've buried them and they had loss and all this stuff.

1551
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:15.920
And then like they take a kind of a nicely

1552
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.399
long time in such a rapidly paced episode to like

1553
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:21.479
kind of like drop feed these little moments before you

1554
01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:24.399
finally meet charm and then you get to like decide

1555
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:25.880
for yourself once you see him.

1556
01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:34.239
Clone Wars is so good. You got I like watch

1557
01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:36.159
the episode. Igod it was like you Kenny was like, oh,

1558
01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:37.800
I think the last episode was better, and I'm like

1559
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:39.079
talking about it. I'm like, did you know that this

1560
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:41.439
episode was so cool?

1561
01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:45.439
Yeah? It might Yeah, the mace the sound dropping out

1562
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:47.840
on the mace window part would be the best scene

1563
01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.079
of the entire season. God it sands down.

1564
01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:55.479
But you're right like yeah, like there, Yeah, they're uncivilized.

1565
01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:58.640
But then the show is like, hey, hey, perhaps not,

1566
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:01.680
perhaps they actually are, and maybe it just looks.

1567
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:02.880
Like hey, hey it's fat Albert.

1568
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:16.279
Sorry so sorry. An example, I'm shy, a.

1569
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:21.159
Weird choice, not French, great choice.

1570
01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:21.640
I'm.

1571
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:27.199
I mean it's fairy.

1572
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:31.039
Do you like me anymore? Asmen? What do you like

1573
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:31.680
me anymore?

1574
01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:32.359
Oh?

1575
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:33.000
No?

1576
01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:34.279
Do you like me?

1577
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:34.960
Yeah?

1578
01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:38.800
This reminds me of a moment that I was in

1579
01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:41.000
college and I was driving in the car with my

1580
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:43.479
mother and so she like found a moment to like

1581
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.800
trap me, and that's when she was like, do you

1582
01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:52.960
even't believe in God anymore? It's like, that's what this

1583
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:53.479
feels like.

1584
01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:55.479
Your friend Kenny being like, do you like me as

1585
01:28:55.520 --> 01:29:01.680
a person? You're like, I feel trapped because my friend

1586
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:04.159
asked a vulnerable question.

1587
01:29:07.239 --> 01:29:07.479
Yeah.

1588
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:17.279
One way that you feel trapped by anything that I.

1589
01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:27.600
Do as sexy.

1590
01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:27.600
Again, like poetry so that they rhy.

1591
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:30.960
I love you so much and I really like you too.

1592
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:35.199
I like hanging out with you and talking to you.

1593
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:41.800
That you're nothing like my mother.

1594
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:44.800
I didn't think I wasn't til.

1595
01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:49.720
But how are they similar?

1596
01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:50.000
Listen?

1597
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:50.880
Listen all the ways.

1598
01:29:50.680 --> 01:30:01.520
There blue eyes, blue eyes, blue eyes, blue eyes, and

1599
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:06.920
from is Oklahoma in the South, Yes, the South, both

1600
01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:08.680
states that have panhandles.

1601
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:10.840
Weirdly whoa true?

1602
01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:19.000
Yeah, very true. Yeah, Oklahoma the Florida of the center. Anyway,

1603
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:22.720
maybe more math in Oklahoma. Who's to say?

1604
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:28.439
I think probably there's probably more like bath salts in Florida.

1605
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:32.159
I agree because there alligators.

1606
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:33.680
Yeah.

1607
01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:37.159
Also, you were making a point ask when we got on.

1608
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:42.880
No, I don't know. I think yes, just the piece

1609
01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:45.920
of like the other ring, because it's funny because it

1610
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:48.399
could be that we would look at it as the

1611
01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:51.359
separatists are this sort of like class. That is, I

1612
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:55.039
mean the separatist group in this case is the like

1613
01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:01.039
wattown boar. It's like the droid guy and then yeah,

1614
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:04.920
and they are God, why do I always forget what

1615
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:06.079
he represents?

1616
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:08.600
Like I got it written down because I crossed it

1617
01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:13.319
out twice. The Techno Union, the Techno Union, which is

1618
01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:18.319
Techno Union. Because it also brings up with the introduction

1619
01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.199
of chicken walkers, it made me ask a world building question.

1620
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:26.079
Tiny chicken walkers are more like uh, little chicki walkers.

1621
01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:28.479
Chicken walkers are the ats to us that you first

1622
01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:33.439
see an empire. These these are yes, these are little girls. Girls,

1623
01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:41.680
they're low gals. And then I was asking, what for

1624
01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:46.720
something that ostensibly has to be an extraordinarily expensive military investment,

1625
01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:51.199
Uh huh, seemingly has only one function, is not even

1626
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:55.640
covered by armor or anything, thereby leaving sure, I guess

1627
01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:58.680
it's speed kind of makes its target a little bit

1628
01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:01.680
more difficult to hit. Still, you would, I mean, especially

1629
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.520
considering later iterations of this exact same device have some

1630
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:09.520
sort of armor, but the single use function, there's not

1631
01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:11.960
a gun attached to it. It's literally just a thing

1632
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:17.079
that makes folks walk faster. Like you know what else

1633
01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:21.000
makes thinking faster? Jet packs? Jet packs which exists.

1634
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:25.520
Maybe they were not built for the war. Maybe they

1635
01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:30.119
repurposed civilian like farming machinery like cherry pickers or apples.

1636
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.159
No prize answer. I love that.

1637
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:34.720
I love that. And the other piece of it, Mark

1638
01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:37.119
which is funny, is that, like you start to see

1639
01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:44.279
in the machinery the ships of the Republic, what is

1640
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:47.479
eventually the empire? Right, because the separatists are going to

1641
01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:49.399
have like you talk about this, like the separatists have

1642
01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:51.479
like that's not what the empire is. So they have

1643
01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:54.359
their own types of like styles. So you actually start

1644
01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:58.079
to see little things like these many DSTs and like, yeah,

1645
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:02.399
and so stuff like that is really interesting. Yeah, I

1646
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.399
was just I was going to say that, yeah, techno union.

1647
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:07.880
I guess you could say, okay, well, who are the

1648
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:11.920
people who are being marginalized in this situation, like especially

1649
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.159
kind of pulling a parallel with the Star Trek episode,

1650
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:17.600
and you could very much say as the separatists, who

1651
01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:21.600
are of course very much like they are oppressing the Twilights.

1652
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.760
They literally have them captive. They have taken over and

1653
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:29.760
taken over their their their planet and their city. Yes,

1654
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:33.000
one hundred percent, and like that's that sort of thing here.

1655
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:38.239
But I think even more engaging and interesting dynamic, especially

1656
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.239
one that's very similar to the Star Trek one, is

1657
01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:44.199
the like elites of Ryloth versus this like resistance for

1658
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.319
us that existed even before this. It's like their own

1659
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:50.720
internal conflicts. And then what does it mean for this?

1660
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:54.399
I mean, I mean technically, like it's the Republic, right,

1661
01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:56.439
and it's the Senate, so it's kind of like as

1662
01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.800
opposed to like the Federation being someone separate thing like

1663
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.840
Kirk coming in separately. It's like although I guess the

1664
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:06.680
planet actually the cloud dwellers one that is part of

1665
01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.039
the Federation. So it's actually kind of similar. It's like

1666
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:12.520
like a sector of it, but like maybe the Jedi

1667
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:15.119
is like sort of like separate from the Senate coming

1668
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:18.880
in and being this court sort of like factor, this

1669
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:20.039
mediating factor.

1670
01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:23.840
Yes, at the beginning of this whole tirade, not your tirade,

1671
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:26.079
but just the tirade that I'm referring to in us

1672
01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:30.960
talking about Star Wars today, I began with, I forgot

1673
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:34.239
to do my research on the French Resistance. Yes, because

1674
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.279
I knew as soon as I found out that they're

1675
01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:42.720
French and they just pull all from World War Two,

1676
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.319
I knew that there was going to be something. You're right,

1677
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:48.800
and so you're asking who are the people that are

1678
01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:54.359
the victims here as it were, answer, it's applied from me,

1679
01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:59.359
that bastion of academic integrity Wikipedia.

1680
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:02.800
Wikipedia or Wikipedia.

1681
01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:05.039
Wikipedia, not Wikipedia Wikipedia.

1682
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:07.279
I give Wikipedia money, So.

1683
01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:13.479
Thank you, thank you. The French Resistance, also known in

1684
01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:18.199
the French language as was a collection of groups that

1685
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:22.439
fought the Nazi occupation and the collaborationist Visi regime in

1686
01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:27.399
France during the Second World War. Yeah, so the show

1687
01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:30.840
wants us to think the separatists are the Nazis or

1688
01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:35.479
the enemies, and we know that George Lucas wants us

1689
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:40.039
to think of the the Republic as Americans the allies.

1690
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.319
They are bad, but for now they are the heroes.

1691
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:49.079
And taking in the textual information that these are newsreels

1692
01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:51.239
or propaganda.

1693
01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:55.760
Yes, due, yes, yes, yes, so yes.

1694
01:35:56.720 --> 01:36:01.319
Senator Warnfrita is representing the collaboration this regime that allowed

1695
01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:06.439
the Nazis to rule France during World War Two. Uh,

1696
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:11.800
and so are our hero. Shampson Sindula is the leader

1697
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:19.560
of ostensibly Diffrench resistance now Aspen. Yeah, yes, do you know, Mark,

1698
01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:24.279
do you know what resistance cells were called in rural areas?

1699
01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:30.439
Mm hmm yeah, Mark, Wookies.

1700
01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:40.680
Twiles Aspen. Yes, it starts the letter m.

1701
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:45.079
M.

1702
01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:53.119
Yes, they were all called mom. But to tie it

1703
01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:56.880
back into star Trek, because everyone pulls from the one

1704
01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:59.920
war that everyone can agree who the bad guys were. Yeah,

1705
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:01.680
they're called the Maquis.

1706
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:08.359
Oh my god, oh, oh my god. I love it.

1707
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:08.840
Oh.

1708
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.760
I didn't even think about I wasn't thinking about like

1709
01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:16.000
Voyager and non the Machi a resistance group.

1710
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:17.520
Uh.

1711
01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:20.600
Shampson Doula, it's the head of the Maquis.

1712
01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:24.680
With Shampson doula Is Chacote.

1713
01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:27.920
Chacote is both starts with ch Aspen.

1714
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:32.159
Oh my gosh, it's like that. It's like that like

1715
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:35.840
meme of that lady doing math in her head.

1716
01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:38.159
It's like that one meme that I play all the

1717
01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:39.279
time on this podcast.

1718
01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:41.399
Again, it's like poetry rhyme.

1719
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.359
For some reason too, even though you kept saying in

1720
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:47.880
a billion times that like the World War two imagery stuff,

1721
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:54.239
because like, at this point in time, I love what

1722
01:37:54.319 --> 01:37:57.199
you're getting out to it. This is exactly what it is.

1723
01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:00.960
In World War Two, we are the goodies because there's

1724
01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.600
a clear bad d and then so the Republic, right,

1725
01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:07.640
and that's the United States. But then post war like

1726
01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:11.560
we are an imperialist power, we are the baddes. It

1727
01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:13.479
just doesn't seem like it because we're the ones with

1728
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:16.600
the power, and so the US because of course the empire,

1729
01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:20.840
the USA is the empire like in Star Wars, and

1730
01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:23.920
like hence the Vietnamese like Vietnam War imagery and stuff

1731
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:24.039
like that.

1732
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:29.680
So we're punishing the Nazis for having imprisoned so many

1733
01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:36.600
innocent people for nothing. Meanwhile, we did it to the

1734
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:39.119
Japanese that we're looking right as well.

1735
01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.720
Or as everyone likes to say and bring up, because

1736
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:48.439
it's true, the Nazis were borrowing straight from our policies

1737
01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:52.680
and our Jim Crow policies and are horrifying or yeah,

1738
01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:53.680
policies even before.

1739
01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:56.159
So America is so lacking it so much. But gosh, dar,

1740
01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:58.760
are we the best at racism? Way to call us?

1741
01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:03.039
What do you think of racism?

1742
01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:04.720
Yeah? What are your thoughts?

1743
01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:07.039
I say it's bad.

1744
01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:08.960
Interesting.

1745
01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:14.159
I did just finish reading The Fire Next Time by

1746
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:15.119
James Baldwin.

1747
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:16.239
Wait what is it?

1748
01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:20.880
The Fire next Time? And it was interesting him talking

1749
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:26.399
about like a kind of the like unique history of

1750
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.760
America because of slavery and because of this like forced

1751
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:32.760
kind of like integration of races that a lot of

1752
01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:35.239
like other countries, and he was talking specific about like

1753
01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:38.560
France don't have and so have not had to grab

1754
01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:40.319
with in the same way, and how it is like

1755
01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:47.000
forge our cultural identity. But like it's the like resistance

1756
01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:52.439
to actually like and obviously any misinterpretation here is might

1757
01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:55.079
on my part and not him, but it's that like

1758
01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:56.119
resistance to.

1759
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:00.720
How how much gall would Mark have have to have? It?

1760
01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:05.119
Being like I think James Baldwin got this wrong anyway.

1761
01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:10.199
He didn't have this right. I thought, you know, especially

1762
01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:13.119
talking about like America's resistance to kind of coming to

1763
01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:15.439
terms with that and what that means for our Dannity

1764
01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:17.840
has like shaped us in way that so many other

1765
01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:20.079
countries have never had to like grapple with.

1766
01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:23.199
Truly, we seem to be a culture that again and

1767
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:27.680
again fundamentally wants to deny that we've ever done anything wrong,

1768
01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.319
over and over and over again, to the point where

1769
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:37.159
we have elected the ultimate denialist as the forty fifth

1770
01:40:37.239 --> 01:40:40.079
and forty seventh President of the United States. And not

1771
01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:42.800
only that, but it seems like a good swath of

1772
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:45.079
the people have done so proudly.

1773
01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:54.359
Knowingly on purpose. We are the empire here, we are

1774
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:57.760
I sexy Gungan.

1775
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:04.760
So just automatically playing that does lose, just does raise

1776
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:05.640
the timber of the room.

1777
01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:12.279
Yeah, anything else on this I feel like we talked

1778
01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:13.199
about both a lot.

1779
01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:16.840
So that's good.

1780
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:24.079
Did the podcast, Mark, I just want to make sure

1781
01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:27.960
that you also said everything. We're not done. We're not done.

1782
01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:32.600
I did want to We're not Uh, you gotta stop. Okay,

1783
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:39.520
what Marks, it's not bring back.

1784
01:41:39.439 --> 01:41:41.960
Up vendors so you can't cut that from the top.

1785
01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:49.560
Can that you can go.

1786
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:52.680
A long time ago?

1787
01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:54.640
Start dating this week?

1788
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:56.520
I quoted a boat.

1789
01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:00.479
I dated a game, but none of them warp my

1790
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:08.000
drive into hyper space. The best of both worlds kept

1791
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:16.600
meat in the second place. Captain's log on a Halla Kron.

1792
01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:18.479
I wanted a song.

1793
01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:20.239
I penned a song.

1794
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:23.640
Seventeen more minutes advise.

1795
01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:25.039
In super high Def.

1796
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:36.039
Aboard the USS Enterprise dt F. Don't you take my

1797
01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:40.119
walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my wretchired

1798
01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:43.880
buddy and nip it? If you spill the tea, I'm

1799
01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:44.800
gonna sip it.

1800
01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:46.720
My starship it.

1801
01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:48.800
Doing today.

1802
01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:55.520
Yeah, we are going to name our favorite ships. They

1803
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.279
could be the ships apply to this guy or the

1804
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:05.439
ships where they go and both sorry uh, and we're

1805
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:09.760
going to do one and the other. Mark some rules

1806
01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:14.920
for you. Kenny and I are limited to these episodes,

1807
01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:18.359
so it doesn't have to be from each like it's

1808
01:43:18.399 --> 01:43:20.039
going to be like like it could be like a

1809
01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:22.920
ship is from Star Trek, like a spaceship is from

1810
01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:25.239
like Star Trek, but like a ship is also from

1811
01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:27.199
Star Trek or Star warsness aft from both. You know,

1812
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:32.479
because you are not. You are not subject to the

1813
01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:34.760
same rules as us. Oh, we also can't. We can't

1814
01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:37.399
repeat once we've said before. You are not a subject

1815
01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.359
to the same rules as us. You are an honored

1816
01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:39.880
guest year.

1817
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:43.000
You have diplomatic immunity, you have community.

1818
01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:46.760
You're a smartie. You're not a dumb dumb chocolate dipe.

1819
01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:48.359
You could.

1820
01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:52.039
That means I'm one of a cloud mind. They're bad.

1821
01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:57.560
If there's one way that people have qualified, Mark One

1822
01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:02.439
is infinitely crushable. He's wildly aloof Yeah.

1823
01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:04.920
Yeah, that's what makes me crushable.

1824
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:10.720
Wow, he's so naive, so hot.

1825
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:13.479
Yeah.

1826
01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:17.039
You could pick a ship aryship from any episode or

1827
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:19.199
anything like, and you don't have to worry about if

1828
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:21.279
it's a repeat or not. But you do whatever you

1829
01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:22.800
want to do. That's what I'm trying to say is

1830
01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:24.880
we got rules, but you do whatever you want. Baby.

1831
01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:29.119
WHOA, that's crazy. I'm like jet Lye and lethal weapon

1832
01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:39.760
for I think I think that works. I don't know

1833
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:47.680
based on King's life, I'm going to assume that that

1834
01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:48.720
did make sense.

1835
01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:53.439
It's funny.

1836
01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:57.560
It's funny. I get it's funny.

1837
01:44:58.520 --> 01:44:59.279
It's funny.

1838
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:00.560
Joke you too.

1839
01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:08.560
It was the first one that anyone's talked about lethal

1840
01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:10.119
four suns that movies come out.

1841
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:12.079
I talk about them weekly.

1842
01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:13.079
That's true.

1843
01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:16.640
It's weird you have diplomatic community in that. I'm pretty sure.

1844
01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:19.479
I'm sure that he does. Wait, are you thinking of

1845
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:23.399
this is gonna make me racist? Think about Rush Hour?

1846
01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:29.520
I don't think so. Who is does Jack your China

1847
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:30.840
diplomatic community and Russia Hour?

1848
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:32.479
I don't think so, But I think the bad guy

1849
01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:34.039
might have diplomatic community in that.

1850
01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:38.239
Maybe Listeners, if you think.

1851
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:39.840
That I'm just being a racist or it is in

1852
01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:41.640
fact Russia Hour, watch you go ahead and ride a

1853
01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:45.199
trek worsepot at gmail dot com. Also follow us on socials, Instagram,

1854
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:46.159
and Blue Sky.

1855
01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:48.319
Please fact check all these movie rafts.

1856
01:45:50.760 --> 01:45:53.199
Yeah, so I starship it?

1857
01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:59.479
Yes, so I don't know I have. So we'll start

1858
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.439
with like this bace ships. So oh that's the other rule.

1859
01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:03.760
It's not necessarily be like flying for the sky spaceships.

1860
01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:06.520
It can be like any type of vehicle. We had

1861
01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:08.479
to make that one of the rules just because not

1862
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:11.800
everything flies. And also we watched a lot of e walks.

1863
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:15.039
Incredible.

1864
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:17.680
We watched a lot truly incredible.

1865
01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:19.960
Oh, we watched They're one of my favorite parts of

1866
01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:23.199
the entire mythos. I love an work, Thank.

1867
01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:27.239
You so of the package you?

1868
01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:30.720
Oh yeah, can I go first? Always I might be

1869
01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:36.399
stealing yours. It's the at t E Walkers. That's what

1870
01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:40.039
they're called, the chicken Walkers from from the Clone Wars. Okay,

1871
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:44.279
I did steal it. Oh sorry, I you've already talked

1872
01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:47.199
about them. Yeah, you've already talked about them because I

1873
01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:50.760
love them. I love that they are whipped fast. I

1874
01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:52.640
love that they dart out and the way they think,

1875
01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.439
like the animation is on them. I love that there's

1876
01:46:55.520 --> 01:47:00.760
basically in competition with those animals. And I like what

1877
01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:03.920
we've talked about, which is like I imagine they are

1878
01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:07.279
in an early form of adsts and that they evolve

1879
01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:11.800
into that, and there's something very interesting about them as

1880
01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:15.239
a sort of like early form of this like terrifying

1881
01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:19.279
thing that we see later in by the Empire. So

1882
01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:22.720
but in the meantime they're little ton tongs.

1883
01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:27.880
They are walkers. Yeah, you also love British lais potato

1884
01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:34.039
chips is because lays in Britain are called walkers.

1885
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:38.640
Oh wow, what an anglophile.

1886
01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:43.800
This is what I bring to this podcast.

1887
01:47:46.079 --> 01:47:50.319
Poetry so if they run perspective, I speaking a perspective

1888
01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:51.960
because I have to rush a little bit in order

1889
01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:53.960
to get my answer, Mark, would you care to give

1890
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:56.399
us what your ship of the weeknd?

1891
01:47:57.600 --> 01:47:59.560
I don't know if this. I'm going to play by

1892
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:04.239
y'all's as much as possible. Okay, So I don't know this. No, no,

1893
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:06.800
I think I don't know if this councilor ship. But

1894
01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:14.039
I'm going to pick the floating city of Stratos from

1895
01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:14.720
Star Trek.

1896
01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:17.960
Outstanding answer. Didn't even think about that, didn't even think

1897
01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.159
about that. That's a greique actual answer.

1898
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:24.239
Ever, boy, not technically ship, but people live on it,

1899
01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:26.800
and it's in the clouds, it's in the sky. It

1900
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:30.079
has some kind of repulsive technology. Spot comments on it,

1901
01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:37.239
the technology, the most impressive technology he's seen. Also, it's

1902
01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:41.920
a fancy little thing. I know that. The episode does

1903
01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:44.600
the thing I always love, where like we start on

1904
01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:46.680
the planet and they look up and see it, and

1905
01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:48.960
then they beam up there and then they look back

1906
01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:51.239
down on the planet and it's like fun, like, look

1907
01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:53.039
where we just were. And I always enjoyed that.

1908
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.159
One of my favorite special effects in the episode was

1909
01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:59.399
the fact that they had clouds that were on the

1910
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:02.039
set and the background whenever Kirkain's bock beam in and

1911
01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:05.960
like you know, they they clouded up the little background.

1912
01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:08.000
It's like you can actually touch the clown. I thought

1913
01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.600
that was a really lovely touch. I mean, the set

1914
01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:13.880
design is is great in this episode.

1915
01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:16.640
It's fantastic. Great answer.

1916
01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:22.760
That's a great answer, you, Kenny. Mine is the jar

1917
01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:26.039
that holds the z Night at the end of the episode.

1918
01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:34.359
There are five of those jars, and that quite possibly

1919
01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:36.399
might be the most jars that we've ever seen on start.

1920
01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:41.439
Pretty aren't interesting, and it holds the z Night that

1921
01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.880
is refined, so that's pretty neat.

1922
01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:47.039
I thought it was interesting they only needed those five

1923
01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:48.800
jars to fix an entire planet.

1924
01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:53.039
Maybe it's a small so small plays.

1925
01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:59.039
Baby playlage.

1926
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:04.880
Yeah, it's it's really deadly, but it's like kind of

1927
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:08.239
deadly but really kind of deadly, so like kind of

1928
01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:09.319
really need to deal with it.

1929
01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:15.720
Right right, Okay, Okay, Now we're going to do our ships.

1930
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:19.760
Romantic ships. They're always ships. They're romantic ships.

1931
01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:20.840
Ships, the kissy ships.

1932
01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:23.439
If y'all, if y'all steal my ship.

1933
01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:25.640
I mean there's one very obvious one. So if why

1934
01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:27.279
do you have it. I feel like you should take it.

1935
01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:30.840
There's a fun thing you can do here, which is

1936
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:33.319
you can go for the like the idea of you

1937
01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:35.840
know how like you might chip people that aren't obvious, right,

1938
01:50:37.760 --> 01:50:38.920
you can go for that, or you can just go

1939
01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:42.319
for the obvious obvious ship because you're me and you

1940
01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:46.279
want Spock to have whatever happiness or joy he wants.

1941
01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:50.920
Am I stealing? Am I stealing it from you? Kiddy? No? Okay? Great? Mine?

1942
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:55.439
So mine is Spock and Spock and dro scene Jock scene.

1943
01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:03.920
I mean she's a like fucking Daisy Buchanan. Uh, like

1944
01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:07.239
she's she's a little dumb dumb. I mean, she's not

1945
01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:11.039
daty Bikanna, it's not, but she is. She's like I

1946
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:13.560
know she I gotta tell you. The way she talked

1947
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:17.640
was like pretty remarkable. Something about her like but look

1948
01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:22.520
at this damn below father, like like she is a

1949
01:51:22.640 --> 01:51:28.720
classic like rich bitch. Uh like who she's like, Oh

1950
01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:33.720
my goodness, people suffer. I had no idea. Yeah, and

1951
01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:35.600
she's got wild eye shadow.

1952
01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:39.680
And which is a cultural thing for the women apparently, Yes,

1953
01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:46.079
three different separated color stratified dare I say colors of

1954
01:51:46.359 --> 01:51:51.880
whoa it would be by shadow by color eyeshadow, but

1955
01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.960
it's actually three colors, so it's uh.

1956
01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:54.840
Try.

1957
01:51:56.199 --> 01:51:57.520
Try try shadow.

1958
01:51:59.760 --> 01:51:59.920
Yeah.

1959
01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:02.279
Anyway, I just really liked But I despite all that,

1960
01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:04.600
I really liked her dynamic wood Spock. I liked her

1961
01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:09.279
like she clearly she was like crushing on him hard

1962
01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:12.199
and like when talking about him later to her dad

1963
01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:15.720
was like doing that little sweet giggle thing, and he

1964
01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:19.239
like clearly was like, oh boy in a different kind

1965
01:52:19.279 --> 01:52:22.960
of world. Yeah, man, man, girl, this might have been it,

1966
01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:25.800
you know. So I just thought it was very gentle

1967
01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:26.920
and also very sweet.

1968
01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:32.199
Spock's got gained this episode, starting from dro scenes life

1969
01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:36.960
line where asking Drox scenes first line to Spock is

1970
01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:41.479
I don't remember that's not That's not the first time

1971
01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:42.039
that she says.

1972
01:52:42.760 --> 01:52:46.159
She's like, I've never seen I've never seen like someone

1973
01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:47.880
like you before or something, and he's like, well, I've

1974
01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:49.119
never seen someone like you before.

1975
01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:53.439
The face says I have never met a fulcan. Spock says,

1976
01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:54.880
nor I a work of art.

1977
01:52:55.800 --> 01:53:00.840
Oh, I forgot he's like and he I think what

1978
01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:03.880
I like about it is he's into her, like he's

1979
01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:04.880
truly into her.

1980
01:53:05.239 --> 01:53:08.880
And then I'll talk about that. Spot talks about pont

1981
01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:09.880
Far with Droxy.

1982
01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:14.479
Yes, he tells her about it and and I I

1983
01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:17.880
just find I don't know. It's like, you know, way way, way,

1984
01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:19.920
way way back, there's this episode of the Side of

1985
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:22.960
Paradise where he gets scored and he gets he turns

1986
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:26.760
into like a kind of like sweet, gentle, like can

1987
01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:28.600
be in love kind of person. And it's like the

1988
01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:31.880
closest we've gotten back to that since then. Like he's

1989
01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:34.199
still spuck. He doesn't get to like hang from a tree,

1990
01:53:34.600 --> 01:53:36.199
but you could tell that he's like Nana a different

1991
01:53:36.279 --> 01:53:41.359
life maybe the one. And I just like that, that's all, Okay,

1992
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:41.840
that's mine.

1993
01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:47.920
It's great. Yeah, Mark, Like, what what is your ship

1994
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:48.399
of the week?

1995
01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:57.000
So I'm playing I'm playing by host rules again, so

1996
01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:58.640
I had to kind of go a little, a little

1997
01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:04.520
far field. I went for from the little offbeat.

1998
01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:06.960
Off choose my ship. I'm going to lose my mind.

1999
01:54:07.359 --> 01:54:09.199
If I If you've thought of this ship as well,

2000
01:54:09.600 --> 01:54:12.039
we should immediately marry.

2001
01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:14.640
One another because it was so you definitely chose this ship.

2002
01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:23.479
My ship is Kirk and his spinning Officer's chair on

2003
01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:33.119
the Enterprise. About three minutes into the episode, he jumps

2004
01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:36.640
up very excitedly as they're approaching uh what's it called

2005
01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:40.840
Ardana the planet and his captain chair starts spinning around

2006
01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:44.199
wildly behind him, and I know that William Shanner as

2007
01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:47.640
an actor saw it and went, that's very distracting. So

2008
01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:50.439
he reaches behind him and just like stops it from spinning.

2009
01:54:51.199 --> 01:54:55.479
But that's the actor's choice. Why does Kirk reach back

2010
01:54:55.560 --> 01:55:01.000
and tenderly caress his captain's chair because he loved it.

2011
01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:03.359
He loved the verve, he loved the movement, he loved

2012
01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:05.800
the excitement of the chair, and he just wanted a

2013
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:08.199
gentle touch for a love that can never.

2014
01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:15.199
Be to be fair. In William Shatner's Kirk's last appearance

2015
01:55:16.239 --> 01:55:19.239
in Star Trek, there is a moment where he is

2016
01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:23.119
really having a love affair with the Enterprise center seat,

2017
01:55:25.159 --> 01:55:28.520
and he realizes how important it is to be on

2018
01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:30.840
the bridge of that ship because while you're there, you

2019
01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:31.720
can make a difference.

2020
01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:35.600
You know, Mark, You're actually not that far off because

2021
01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:38.600
like I know, it's a fun joke one, but like

2022
01:55:39.319 --> 01:55:44.439
the Kirk and the ship, the ship itself, like the Enterprise,

2023
01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:48.359
like that's his true love.

2024
01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:50.880
The chair would ostensibly be the g spot.

2025
01:55:52.079 --> 01:56:01.560
Yeah, would so you gotta stop it from spinning. It's dangerous.

2026
01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:05.680
You let that thing spin because it can if you don't.

2027
01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:07.520
If you're not careful, just.

2028
01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:10.199
Like a buzzer cap, so too, will it spin out

2029
01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:11.439
into diffidity.

2030
01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:14.880
It's dangerous. Don't don't. Don't try it, everybody, don't.

2031
01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:23.199
Don't. Uh. Also, that was a great choice. You're gonna

2032
01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:24.800
love this ship, AskMen.

2033
01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:26.960
I'm gonna I'm gonna hate this.

2034
01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:29.159
It's Vanna and dro Scene.

2035
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:33.039
Oh I'm gonna love this.

2036
01:56:35.479 --> 01:56:39.680
There is just something about their dynamic that went from

2037
01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:44.680
a friends to enemies ship for me, because dro Scene

2038
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:49.319
is a transplant from below right as a sentinel, as

2039
01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:53.039
a surrogate, and there has got to be something where

2040
01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:58.439
drox Scene sees Vana and it's like something exotic, something otherworldly,

2041
01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:02.680
something to ate my little bit of rebellion from my father.

2042
01:57:04.079 --> 01:57:07.159
So I'll I'll take a dalliance. Why not? And Vonna

2043
01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:14.119
in Droxceene sees power, she sees wealth, she sees all

2044
01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:18.439
of these things she'd never seen before, and someone that

2045
01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:22.840
wants her for some reason. And so you know that

2046
01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:27.960
whenever they first came together, and they did it in secret,

2047
01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:30.640
because you knew that if it were to get out,

2048
01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:34.079
it would be an extremely shameful affair, but that's what

2049
01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:38.840
made it so exciting, And it was such a Torris

2050
01:57:38.960 --> 01:57:43.279
love affair, so passionate, sensual and pure. At first, it

2051
01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:48.359
was just a communing of bodies and minds, an exchange

2052
01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:51.439
of ideas, both of them learning about things that they

2053
01:57:51.479 --> 01:57:57.319
had never even fathomed. But of course, Drox scenes intolerance

2054
01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:03.960
and also Vanna's unfortunate rejudices, or rather her difficulty in

2055
01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:07.760
trying to express true intimacy because she's had to be

2056
01:58:07.880 --> 01:58:10.640
defensive her entire life, considering that she comes from such

2057
01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:15.319
harsh conditions, and the environment conspires to keep them apart.

2058
01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.880
So whenever we meet them at the beginning of this episode,

2059
01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:22.159
they seem to be moral enemies, but you know that

2060
01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:26.760
there was something pure between them once, but it's something

2061
01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.479
that was left better to the clouds.

2062
01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:34.600
Oh that was beautiful.

2063
01:58:36.680 --> 01:58:43.520
Cut. Portrait of a lady on clouds?

2064
01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:50.840
How long you wrote?

2065
01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:51.640
Yeah?

2066
01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:51.880
Right?

2067
01:58:53.199 --> 01:58:55.199
Can I read it on AO three right now?

2068
01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:58.199
I'm about done with the first act or so, so

2069
01:58:58.279 --> 01:58:59.880
I'm only on page six hundred.

2070
01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:03.479
Uh sounds like an A three fag.

2071
01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:10.479
Yes, And before we get into it, Kirk threatens to

2072
01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:16.680
report Uh. The Stratos are the the Cloud Organization and Plassis,

2073
01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:19.760
the leader of Stratus to the Federal Bureau of Industrialist

2074
01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:22.800
Industrialization otherwise known as the FBI.

2075
01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:25.840
Oh jeez, that's true.

2076
01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:26.560
That's true.

2077
01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:35.239
And then Heidi uh In regards to the leader Champson

2078
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:39.399
Dula so that his name is mister bunny Rabbit. So

2079
01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:42.479
many chains, so many Oh, No, Senator orn free Ta

2080
01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:45.039
is mister bunny Rabbit, so many chins.

2081
01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:50.920
Thank you, thank you for.

2082
01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:54.840
That commentary, Heidi, We really appreciate it. But the timer

2083
01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:57.560
commentary is over as we once again returned to the

2084
01:59:57.600 --> 02:00:00.760
central conceit of this podcast, art exist. It's only without

2085
02:00:00.800 --> 02:00:03.920
a binary, it is either good or it is bad.

2086
02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.760
And so too do we try and finally find out

2087
02:00:07.079 --> 02:00:09.479
what the answer is to that binary, which is better

2088
02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:12.359
Star Trek or Star Wars by going through both of

2089
02:00:12.399 --> 02:00:15.279
these answers, both of these episodes and ranking them a

2090
02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:17.800
zero to ten scale. Once again, the episodes are the

2091
02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:20.079
Cloud Minders from Star Trek the original series season three

2092
02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:26.840
versus Liberty of Ryloth Liberty on from Star Wars the

2093
02:00:26.880 --> 02:00:31.920
Clone Wars Season one. Uh ask, just to demonstrate to

2094
02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:34.840
our good guests here, why don't you go ahead and

2095
02:00:34.920 --> 02:00:35.439
go first.

2096
02:00:36.039 --> 02:00:37.520
Okay, I know how to rate things.

2097
02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:42.520
Yeah, we were gonna do Star Trek first.

2098
02:00:44.119 --> 02:00:47.319
Uh, Mark, guest choice, which one should we go with first?

2099
02:00:47.720 --> 02:00:49.159
Let's go with Star Trek first.

2100
02:00:49.479 --> 02:00:50.640
Great, Yeah, Star Trekers.

2101
02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:54.680
Okay, Star Trek first. There are ten What am I

2102
02:00:54.800 --> 02:01:00.399
gonna give it? When am I gonna gamp bitam starting

2103
02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:05.199
a seven point five?

2104
02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:07.920
Seven point five? You do love to see it?

2105
02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:09.079
Yes?

2106
02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:10.000
I do.

2107
02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:12.000
I did love to see it. That's why I gave

2108
02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:16.319
it a seven point five, So you can give it

2109
02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:19.399
an increment seven point three, six point eight, whatever you

2110
02:01:19.479 --> 02:01:21.279
want to give it. You can even spite rank things.

2111
02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:23.279
Sometimes I'll go through and I'll be like, this was great, canny,

2112
02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:24.399
just like point five and.

2113
02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:26.640
Like the fuck, And then I'll be like, as it

2114
02:01:26.720 --> 02:01:29.760
had brown face because I like loves brown face a

2115
02:01:29.800 --> 02:01:31.199
lot more than I really find.

2116
02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:33.560
Racist.

2117
02:01:33.840 --> 02:01:38.880
It ass like it wasn't that bad. Yeah, speaking of

2118
02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:41.319
that bad, I'm going to rank this episode seven point

2119
02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:41.920
seventy five.

2120
02:01:42.680 --> 02:01:42.880
Yeah.

2121
02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:47.920
I just really enjoyed this episode. And perhaps it is

2122
02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:50.880
the context of which I am watching it, uh, but

2123
02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:57.159
just I just found it very potent. I appreciate the

2124
02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:02.079
unseubtled nature of the storytelling here because we need these

2125
02:02:02.199 --> 02:02:05.319
kinds of stories screened as loudly as possible. Right now.

2126
02:02:06.840 --> 02:02:07.920
I just really enjoyed it.

2127
02:02:08.640 --> 02:02:09.880
Yeah, and we're having a hard time.

2128
02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:11.640
It's the clouds. What do you want from me?

2129
02:02:12.920 --> 02:02:16.560
Clouds? Cloud City is now something I associate with Star

2130
02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:18.239
Trek instead of Star Wars.

2131
02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:27.119
Oh no, Lando is going to be pissed Lando. The

2132
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:28.279
Lando system.

2133
02:02:31.279 --> 02:02:32.079
Not a system.

2134
02:02:33.560 --> 02:02:34.840
It must be in one of the Star Wars that

2135
02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:35.680
I haven't watched yet.

2136
02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:45.239
Yeah, yes, for me, I do I have to give

2137
02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:46.399
a bit of a preface.

2138
02:02:48.039 --> 02:02:50.359
I automatically I love this rank.

2139
02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:53.239
But it's not even about the episode. Here's the thing, uh,

2140
02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:59.640
I have. One of my pet peas has to deal

2141
02:02:59.680 --> 02:03:04.159
with ranking systems, and I, in my head, I know

2142
02:03:04.319 --> 02:03:07.000
a perfect ranking system. And so while I appreciate that

2143
02:03:07.039 --> 02:03:11.520
you all have this weird eleven point scale, zero to

2144
02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:15.399
ten out of an eleven point scale, weird, and then

2145
02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:19.359
even further vibes, then you also, yeah you, but you

2146
02:03:20.239 --> 02:03:22.800
split down even further into seven point five all these things.

2147
02:03:22.920 --> 02:03:25.159
That's a crazy it's like one hundred and twenty two

2148
02:03:25.159 --> 02:03:26.960
point scale or something that you can.

2149
02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:29.039
You start your own podcasts. You start your own podcast bark.

2150
02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:32.359
I'm gonna and it's gonna be got rating systems.

2151
02:03:34.039 --> 02:03:36.960
About ratings, you rank the raking systems on a.

2152
02:03:37.000 --> 02:03:42.880
Scale, but my ideal ranking system is out of four one, two,

2153
02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:46.159
three or four. Yeah, i'd see you don't like it.

2154
02:03:46.840 --> 02:03:49.520
So what I'm saying, I'll say all that to say, yeah,

2155
02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:51.920
is that I rated them out of four and have

2156
02:03:52.079 --> 02:03:54.920
now and have had to post convert to match your

2157
02:03:55.159 --> 02:03:59.199
metro great one because I am a guest on your cast,

2158
02:03:59.359 --> 02:04:00.359
as I like to call.

2159
02:04:00.279 --> 02:04:04.560
Them, So something something bad would be one zero stars.

2160
02:04:05.039 --> 02:04:07.560
There is no zero stars zero stars.

2161
02:04:07.640 --> 02:04:10.960
It's yeah, they're very broad categories, but it's one to

2162
02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:11.800
two or three or four.

2163
02:04:12.199 --> 02:04:15.640
But like what about something that? And again this is

2164
02:04:15.680 --> 02:04:17.560
the track words podcast where you try and rank which

2165
02:04:17.600 --> 02:04:19.960
one is better to Star Treker Star Wars, but like

2166
02:04:20.119 --> 02:04:24.239
one if something that is so bad it's extraordinarily offensive

2167
02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:27.840
to you, like uh me watching Joker too, where I

2168
02:04:27.960 --> 02:04:29.079
was like, this is so bad.

2169
02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:29.239
It's.

2170
02:04:30.880 --> 02:04:33.399
I don't know, I think it just on. Yeah, it

2171
02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:36.439
just gotta be anything but one and two or mooth

2172
02:04:36.479 --> 02:04:38.960
that are probably not worth your time unless you're like

2173
02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:40.960
actively being like this is so bad, it's good, but

2174
02:04:41.039 --> 02:04:42.640
then it probably wouldn't be a one or two would

2175
02:04:42.640 --> 02:04:44.840
probably be a three. That would probably be a two.

2176
02:04:46.760 --> 02:04:49.479
Any interesting, So you've had to do conversions.

2177
02:04:49.520 --> 02:04:52.880
So I did conversions. I just did some fast math.

2178
02:04:53.880 --> 02:04:55.520
You look over it like, I'm like, do you have

2179
02:04:55.640 --> 02:05:01.199
like a calculator right there you can take But it's

2180
02:05:01.239 --> 02:05:02.319
a calculator, it's my phone.

2181
02:05:03.600 --> 02:05:07.119
So my ranking for the cloud Minders is an eight

2182
02:05:07.239 --> 02:05:08.039
point twenty.

2183
02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:11.840
Five WHOA, which.

2184
02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:16.560
Is a three out of four proper scale. Yeah. I

2185
02:05:16.680 --> 02:05:19.760
really liked it. I came to it expecting because of

2186
02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:24.199
my uh, only real experience with like quote unquote whatever

2187
02:05:24.279 --> 02:05:26.319
we'll call it proper Star Trek, being those first few

2188
02:05:26.359 --> 02:05:29.239
episodes of Next Generation. I was like, this will be fine,

2189
02:05:29.239 --> 02:05:31.159
but it's just not gonna be my bag. And you

2190
02:05:31.239 --> 02:05:32.880
know what, I really dug it, and I thought it

2191
02:05:32.920 --> 02:05:34.279
was very cool and very fine.

2192
02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:38.119
Turns out you liked it more than us, even though

2193
02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:39.199
you said you probably wouldn't.

2194
02:05:39.239 --> 02:05:44.000
Like, Yeah, that's wow, that's standing.

2195
02:05:45.239 --> 02:05:49.479
Yeah, well Drop kicked a guy five minutes in.

2196
02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:53.960
He really did. It's true, skate, that's fine. That marans

2197
02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.560
a collective total to the cloud Minders to a robust

2198
02:05:56.720 --> 02:05:59.800
seven point six two five, but still anyone's game. As

2199
02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:02.920
we barrel into the subsequent thing that we're going to

2200
02:06:03.039 --> 02:06:08.119
rate liberty on Ryl asmen start us off, you know, I.

2201
02:06:08.199 --> 02:06:10.279
Was looking back at what so I gave Storm over

2202
02:06:10.359 --> 02:06:12.560
Ryle up an eight point three in ano sense of

2203
02:06:12.640 --> 02:06:14.479
Ryle at any point one. I think I probably gave

2204
02:06:14.560 --> 02:06:16.840
Storm an eight point three because it focused on Ahsoka

2205
02:06:16.880 --> 02:06:18.439
and I'm really the Soka.

2206
02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:19.840
It's a better.

2207
02:06:22.079 --> 02:06:25.680
Yeah, I guess so, yeah, I know you're I think so.

2208
02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:27.680
So I'm trying to think. I think maybe this one

2209
02:06:27.760 --> 02:06:35.720
is any point two fucking sketchy.

2210
02:06:38.520 --> 02:06:45.560
Hmmdard, I'm gonna give this one a seven. I like

2211
02:06:45.640 --> 02:06:54.079
this episode. It's a good episode, but you know it's good, Okay.

2212
02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:58.079
I would like to say I thought this episode kicked ass.

2213
02:06:58.319 --> 02:07:02.239
It was very much more battle focus. I think it's

2214
02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:05.159
below the first the it's it's much more battle focused.

2215
02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:08.600
But I really liked the focus on mace Windu genuinely

2216
02:07:08.840 --> 02:07:12.399
for that that that sequence where the sound drops out

2217
02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:14.760
and it's extraordinary. It like, I'll fit a few points

2218
02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:19.119
for I do think that like the conversations. I think

2219
02:07:19.199 --> 02:07:22.720
like Seamson Doula pieces are just very poignant, very interesting.

2220
02:07:23.119 --> 02:07:25.119
I think it's pretty cool. It's very cool episode.

2221
02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:29.079
That's why my ranking, you know, all right, yep, so

2222
02:07:29.680 --> 02:07:35.079
eight point seven. Yeah, what do you rank this episode?

2223
02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:40.479
This is where the conversion system I think it doesn't

2224
02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:46.199
work as well. Unfortunately, because based on on on the

2225
02:07:46.319 --> 02:07:48.520
on the maths I've done, it does feel lower than

2226
02:07:48.520 --> 02:07:52.239
I would actually give it. But it is currently at

2227
02:07:52.279 --> 02:07:56.479
a five point five. That's up converted from a two

2228
02:07:56.520 --> 02:08:03.800
out of four. It's only one point lower than I

2229
02:08:04.119 --> 02:08:10.159
gave the other episode. I enjoyed the episode, but I

2230
02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:12.359
do think I did a service by watching it second

2231
02:08:12.479 --> 02:08:18.960
and having not not accumulated accustomed myself to the storytelling

2232
02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:21.319
of like the Clone Wars, I was just like very

2233
02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:23.199
buffeted over the head, and I kept waiting for to

2234
02:08:23.960 --> 02:08:25.880
kind of dig deeper into some of the ideas that

2235
02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:28.760
it didn't have time to do, which I mean is

2236
02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:31.479
not necessarily a fair criticism, but I can only based

2237
02:08:31.479 --> 02:08:33.079
it off this one episode that I have seen.

2238
02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:34.359
That's true.

2239
02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:36.960
So I enjoyed a lot of the episode, but.

2240
02:08:37.319 --> 02:08:40.640
I mean that can be. That's the thing that we

2241
02:08:40.760 --> 02:08:43.439
talked about ad nausea. I'm here on the podcast of

2242
02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:47.880
the cast Lucas and company, just talking about again stealing

2243
02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:51.399
from Jesse Earl talking about appropriating aesthetics so you can

2244
02:08:51.479 --> 02:08:53.439
deal with shorthand for the things that you actually want

2245
02:08:53.439 --> 02:08:56.920
to deal with, which are the fund space twice and there.

2246
02:08:56.840 --> 02:08:59.800
Were some just like awkward little structural issues where I

2247
02:08:59.880 --> 02:09:01.520
was like, we don't need to spend all this time

2248
02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:03.520
with the bad guys. They have the same scene like

2249
02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:06.920
four times, cut it out, dig deeper into some fun stuff.

2250
02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:10.800
Well, speaking of the same scene, so too do we

2251
02:09:10.920 --> 02:09:15.479
conclude yet another episode of Trek Wars by ranking Liberty

2252
02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:19.319
of Rhyme loss paltry six point nine versus the Cloud

2253
02:09:19.399 --> 02:09:23.119
Mind is robust seven point six GW five, which means

2254
02:09:23.479 --> 02:09:27.800
as been Aspen Star Trek, when's the week?

2255
02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:32.600
Enjoy it while you can.

2256
02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:38.920
I will, because in like three episodes it could be

2257
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:42.960
very dicey. For me, it could be very dicey.

2258
02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:45.760
You want always be here, kend to pull down the

2259
02:09:45.840 --> 02:09:47.520
Star Trek and the Star Wars scores.

2260
02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:51.600
Well, I won last week, which was very good. I

2261
02:09:51.720 --> 02:09:54.479
felt very good because it's been slim pickens for the

2262
02:09:54.560 --> 02:09:55.880
Star Trek contingent.

2263
02:09:55.560 --> 02:10:00.880
Over here and uh and I am just like rolling

2264
02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:01.840
in my wins.

2265
02:10:03.000 --> 02:10:05.079
Next week could be good. It could be bad. I

2266
02:10:05.159 --> 02:10:08.439
don't recall either way, We don't know. We'll be doing

2267
02:10:08.520 --> 02:10:09.479
another podcast.

2268
02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:13.760
Do y'all have an overall score, which.

2269
02:10:14.960 --> 02:10:17.680
Which I would love to tell you that right now

2270
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:22.439
the score stands Star Trek at a overall Star Trek

2271
02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:25.560
unless the mass is wrong, is at six point one

2272
02:10:25.680 --> 02:10:29.840
one nine versus Star Wars is six point three one six.

2273
02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:32.119
And I'll round it up because it's at a sixty

2274
02:10:32.119 --> 02:10:37.199
sixty six, so six point three two so, which means

2275
02:10:37.880 --> 02:10:41.079
because the numbers don't lie, Star Wars is better than

2276
02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:41.800
Star Trek.

2277
02:10:43.399 --> 02:10:47.000
Because numbers are objective and real, and there's no complexity

2278
02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:48.880
to them or different answers none.

2279
02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:53.720
You cannot manipulate data and statistics to prove a particular point.

2280
02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:59.960
Absolutely not that science well speaking manipulating data and statistics.

2281
02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:02.159
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02:11:02.199 --> 02:11:05.199
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02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:07.760
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2284
02:11:11.359 --> 02:11:14.119
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2285
02:11:14.159 --> 02:11:16.880
here in the United States of America at this point

2286
02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:19.760
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2287
02:11:19.880 --> 02:11:22.239
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02:11:53.680 --> 02:11:55.920
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02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:05.239
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02:12:08.199 --> 02:12:14.399
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2305
02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:14.720
going on?

2306
02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:16.680
Uh?

2307
02:12:18.079 --> 02:12:22.920
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02:12:23.119 --> 02:12:26.000
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02:12:29.960 --> 02:12:31.159
I want to find it. Thank you.

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02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:31.960
Uh.

2312
02:12:32.079 --> 02:12:35.079
And lastly but certainly not Leslie Joelty partner who composed

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02:12:35.119 --> 02:12:38.359
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02:12:38.479 --> 02:12:42.840
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by visiting their link in the show notes below. Uh ark,

2316
02:12:46.880 --> 02:12:49.760
is there any place anyone can find you outside of

2317
02:12:49.960 --> 02:12:51.960
just hopping around Austin in general?

2318
02:12:52.439 --> 02:12:52.560
Uh?

2319
02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:54.119
No, I have.

2320
02:12:56.159 --> 02:13:01.439
Online? What if you like local, you can probably find

2321
02:13:01.479 --> 02:13:02.479
me pretty quickly.

2322
02:13:04.199 --> 02:13:07.039
That's just I mean, I gotta say that you are

2323
02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:11.920
an exceptionally talented person on stage. And not only not

2324
02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:15.319
only that, I wouldn't necessarily couple this with every single

2325
02:13:15.479 --> 02:13:19.000
person that is exceptionally talented, but I also feel very

2326
02:13:19.039 --> 02:13:21.840
safe around you, and I always feel like I've got

2327
02:13:21.880 --> 02:13:24.479
someone to talk with, which is not always the case.

2328
02:13:24.760 --> 02:13:30.159
I find that exceedingly rare, and you're just such a

2329
02:13:30.279 --> 02:13:32.880
jeb of a human being. And thank you for existing period.

2330
02:13:33.359 --> 02:13:35.359
You don't remind me of my mother?

2331
02:13:38.680 --> 02:13:42.520
Why, I feel like that's a much less compliment than

2332
02:13:42.560 --> 02:13:47.199
what I said, because now you're driving drying also equivalent what.

2333
02:13:49.399 --> 02:13:51.520
People can find me. I do have a brief cameo

2334
02:13:51.640 --> 02:13:57.960
in the latest Vim Vendors movie that Mark, I love you,

2335
02:13:58.760 --> 02:14:00.159
I love you both, Thank you so much.

2336
02:14:00.399 --> 02:14:04.920
You, I love you. I love you, Audience, we love you.

2337
02:14:05.399 --> 02:14:23.319
Live along and prosper and may the Force be with you, Canny.

2338
02:14:23.399 --> 02:14:25.880
The answer is, I'm gonna watch Alien Rhymeless on November

2339
02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:27.479
twenty first, when it comes out on Hulu.

2340
02:14:29.680 --> 02:14:34.520
It's taking you so long, so long? Mark, have you

2341
02:14:34.640 --> 02:14:37.560
seen Alien Romilis, I've not seen it. Are you a

2342
02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:39.319
fan of the Alien series?

2343
02:14:40.600 --> 02:14:42.159
I'm I don't know, I'm enough of a fan. I'll

2344
02:14:42.159 --> 02:14:42.920
probably check it out.

2345
02:14:43.319 --> 02:14:49.239
Sure. I think my Alien film has helped with the

2346
02:14:49.359 --> 02:14:52.119
fact that the that Sick DVD set came out at

2347
02:14:52.159 --> 02:14:56.359
a very four yeth time in my film fandom, because

2348
02:14:56.439 --> 02:14:59.239
like each here's the thing about that DVD set, aspen,

2349
02:14:59.319 --> 02:15:01.960
each each one of them came with like a four

2350
02:15:02.039 --> 02:15:04.960
hour documentary of making of that was like Lord of

2351
02:15:05.000 --> 02:15:08.279
the Rings, outrageously candid. Like Alien three was just like,

2352
02:15:08.439 --> 02:15:12.399
oh yeah, this process sucked for everyone involved. Here's who'

2353
02:15:12.439 --> 02:15:16.199
sabotaged us, Here's why it was a failure. We think

2354
02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:20.600
it's a failure. Here's why. Which that's like only twelve

2355
02:15:20.720 --> 02:15:23.479
years separated from whenever that movie released, which would be

2356
02:15:23.600 --> 02:15:29.279
like talking about the Clone Wars now, which they still

2357
02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:31.239
haven't done anything.

2358
02:15:31.680 --> 02:15:35.199
I missed all the special features before they became like

2359
02:15:35.560 --> 02:15:39.319
so corporatized or whatever, where they were like, no, it

2360
02:15:39.359 --> 02:15:42.439
has to be more publicity from the thing you've already watched, right,

2361
02:15:42.479 --> 02:15:44.319
And it was just actually the people talking about the movie.

2362
02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:48.479
Yeah, Lord of the Rings Extra Features the best thing

2363
02:15:48.520 --> 02:15:49.600
that's ever happened in the world.

2364
02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:53.319
I haven't watched all of the Hobbit Extended Edition special features,

2365
02:15:53.359 --> 02:15:57.159
but I saw a clip of it online somewhere and

2366
02:15:57.239 --> 02:16:00.239
they were talking about making up that third movie and

2367
02:16:00.319 --> 02:16:04.039
they were like, yeah, Peter Jackson was just shot like

2368
02:16:04.159 --> 02:16:06.760
he was and then shot him. They like got the

2369
02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:08.720
footage of him just being like wow.

2370
02:16:09.680 --> 02:16:13.319
So put that versus the footage from Lord of the Rings,

2371
02:16:13.319 --> 02:16:17.960
which includes such beautiful gems as interviews like do you

2372
02:16:18.119 --> 02:16:21.079
wear wigs? Will you wear wigs?

2373
02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:22.279
When?

2374
02:16:22.399 --> 02:16:22.680
Will you?

2375
02:16:23.239 --> 02:16:23.399
When?

2376
02:16:23.479 --> 02:16:24.720
Will will you wear wigs?

2377
02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:28.560
Also, as soon as you brought up the Hobbit, asmen

2378
02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:30.039
went full of Florence Pugh and it.

2379
02:16:30.039 --> 02:16:33.719
Was just like I'm not here for it.

2380
02:16:35.719 --> 02:16:39.120
No, just sad. Anyway, there you go. November twenty first,