Oct. 11, 2024

Mystery of a Thousand Moons vs. The Lights of Zetar

Mystery of a Thousand Moons vs. The Lights of Zetar

This week's theme? Frustrating world-building.

Mystery of a Thousand Moons feels like a latter day George Lucas episode: a follow-up ep shoehorning in unrelated thematics that never gel. It also features a young boy. 

Filoni and co. seemingly grit...

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Season 1

This week's theme? Frustrating world-building.

Mystery of a Thousand Moons feels like a latter day George Lucas episode: a follow-up ep shoehorning in unrelated thematics that never gel. It also features a young boy.

Filoni and co. seemingly grit their teeth during the Filoni Zoni for the BTS, so you know we talk about it.

For Lights of Zetar, we talk about the gaslighting of our protagonist in the ep. Which is funny, because the episode is literally about empowerment.

And Kenny meets his new favorite character.

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Trek or Star Wars by going through

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both franchises and chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent, and with me as Per always

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is the executive host.

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Ask in a Webster Aspen.

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Webster, what what happened? I literally saw nothing happen over there,

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and he was laughing automatically by well.

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I I moved. I moved. I'm trying to figure out

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this positioning for this microphone because I don't have a

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cool little arm thing like you do, so I'm using

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a an easel. But so now it's pick for painting.

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It's like positioned in such a way that like my

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hands slammed right into it. So I just assumed that

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there was sound, but I guess not. I kind of

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just you know, you know, never never see them. They

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never let them see you flinch, Kenny, never see them flinch. Anyway.

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I'm the executive co host. I've been promoted, well not

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an executive co host.

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Executive host.

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Does I mean I'm above you?

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Uh?

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Oh oh, I don't, can you promote me to be

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above you. I don't think you can do that. That's

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not how works anyway. I'm askeping Webster. I'm the Star

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Wars contingent.

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Absolutely you are, and that Star Wars contingent will be

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defending Mystery of a Thousand Moons from Star Wars The

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Clone War season one versus me and defending the Lights

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of Zatar from Star Trek the Original series season three.

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Will you be actually defending it or will you be

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hating it?

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I like it. I don't know, because I was. I was,

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I was prepared to be bummed. So I remember watching

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this episode last time and I was like, oh boy,

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that's a lot better now.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, and I'm happy to defend moons.

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So many moons, so many moons, so many moons.

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Many as as Dave Filoni said, Oh no, we had

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to make so many moons.

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We had to make George and he wanted a bunch

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of moons, and so we went with some unused Ralph

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McCrory art, and we made a whole planet that's just moons.

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Goss. I'm so glad to hear, Dave. You really bring

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a real joy in a real easily vibe. I think

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to the podcast.

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George once pitched a planet that was all joy so

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I ran with that.

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Well, just full of hats.

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Well, speaking of having conversations on our recent episode that

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we recorded with Jesse Earl, we've been getting some comments

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and I'll read the specifically one which I'm so so

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very pleased with, which was a question from at William

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Limb nine zero sixty six, to which they say, wait,

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what was that song for the ship segment?

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Yay, yay, it's very sweet.

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That's very sweet. Of course that is I starship it

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from Jolty partner, who is just the greatest. And I'm

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so I'm pleased to punch that people are discovering that episode.

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And if you're a new listener, welcome, and if you're

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an old listener, welcome. What have we been? Come on?

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Heo, please stay peace. Stay this what happens when you

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make me executive? Wow, I'm sitting in a different place.

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What is wrong with you? I decided you look like

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a play of spaghetti that's held together with a fabulous shirt.

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This week, thank you were both very a green. I decided,

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have nice background so I set myself up in front

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of like my only bookcase. But it means that like

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places ways that I might put my body are not

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working anymore. Put my back please, that I just want

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to orient myself. So now I'm just like I just

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like keep hitting things. Look look at my this is

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I've got a lot of clearly, I have a lot

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of stuff related to Leya. Anyway, Yeah, about about that song.

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I always tell people that Joel just like looked at

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me one day it was like, you should have a

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song for that segment. I was like, okay, and then

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he started. He had this really intense face for a

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little while, and then he just like disappeared for an

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hour and he came back and it was like clean

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this up. I was like, what what are you talking about?

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segment song, But there's nothing I want to cut, Like

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you know what, Yeah, we'll stand by it. That's a

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good song.

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let's cut too. The next segment where we provide synopsis

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for both of these episodes.

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It's they only get better? Can he thank you.

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I appreciate that they only get better. Asked, well, why

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don't you start us off this week?

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I will, except I just navigated away from it.

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That's the opposite of what we do this every week.

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I know. It was like it was prepped. It was prepped.

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Let's see. He's like, I got this talk amongst yourselves. Ah.

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Mystery of a Thousand Moons Starry Wars The Clone Wars

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released February thirteenth, two thousand and nine.

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Outstanding.

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It is thanks director is Jesse. Yeah, gosh, I love

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that name, Jesse. Yeah and interesting. So on the writing credits,

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it says drewsy Greenberg a supervising writer. So I imagine

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maybe it was just true. I don't know if anybody

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else is involved. Seems wild, but let's see. This is

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the second episode in the two episode arc, continuing from

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the Blue Shadow virus that Kenny hated. Kenny hates sexy

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Gungion ladies.

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Yes, hold on a second, we got to use it.

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The gung and sexy Gungon ladies.

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The deadly Drewsey Greenberg, he's a big to you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. He wrote for Buffy Smallville era Agents of Shield.

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He's written some comic books like Green Air on Buffy

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the Vampire Slayer comics.

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Incredible. He's a staff writer on Buffy.

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I probably saw he probably saw Joss Whedon do a

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whole bunch of crimes.

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Oh yis Warehouse thirteen, though you see, Yay, there's twelve

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other warehouses. None of them are as cool as Warehouse thirteen.

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We're as gay.

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On's just like stuffed lamas.

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That's the gayest one.

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Warehouse eight, as we all know, the gayest icon a

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stuff Lama lama.

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Not a lie mama stuff mamma. Yeah. Warehouse eight, it's

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just a bunch of like tiny little sheep porcelain figurines

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that your aunt gave you because she did never have

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any children of her own.

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A Warehouse two is just a loose assortment of papers,

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and you always think that you're about to make sense

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of how they're assorted, but then there's like fifty new

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pages where you're like, what is this? I don't understand,

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and so you can't call it them, and so you

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have to walk out and you're just like, I can't

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make heads or tails of this.

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Right right, right right. So Flood written by the TV

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archaeologist on IMDb. Our best friend, the deadly Blue Shadow

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virus is unleashed. Whoops, we thought you thought it was

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not a problem, But it was unleashed in Vindi's underground lab.

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With padme Ahsoka jar Jar, and sufferal Clone troopers stuck

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in it, Anakin and Obi Wan have just forty eight

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hours to find a cure. They travel to the moons

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of Yego. Sounds familiar the moons of Diego, but from where.

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But we'll have a hard time trying to get past

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the ghost of drawl in order to leave again. That's

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a good summary. That's basically what happens.

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We'll see how that summary stacks up against this summary.

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The Lights of Zatar, which of course aired January thirty first,

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nineteen sixty nine, director Herb ken Wi and writer Jeremy

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Harcher and Serry Lewis. Sherry Lewis, I know that names

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from somewhere, so anyways, From an NBC press release issued

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January ninth, nineteen sixty nine, Alien entities endangered the Enterprise

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when they take over the brain of a beautiful lieutenant

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aboard the ship in the Lights of Zatar on NBC

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Television Networks, Star Trek Friday, January thirty first Jan Schutan

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guest stars as Lieutenant Miro Romaine, who becomes the unwilling

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body for several alien brains survivors of an ancient planet.

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Scotty and Mira become enamored with each other, unaware that

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her body is being used for the completion of another

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life cycle, which will destroy her own.

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Yikes, it's true though, that also nails it. Did you

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feel like she was enamored of Scotty.

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Kind of kind of sort of?

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was a weird, uh sort of vibe like I.

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Sorry, first impressions.

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Hold on, I gotta, I gotta the first impressions theme.

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Song Sexy Young and Motherfucker. Yeah.

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Of course that sound effect is a reference to our

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previous episode, which you can find over at our YouTube

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channel YouTube dot com slash at track worse pot First impressions, Uh,

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Mystery of a Thousand Moons. Vast improvement over the previous week, Satar,

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vast improvement over the previous weeks because last week, I

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don't know if you remember this, I was pretty cheesed.

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You were grumpy boy, which I was a grumpy boy,

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which I don't know. Sometimes I think maybe we need

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to acknowledge the fact that it could just be like

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what we bring to the viewing experience sometimes, like the

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shades of whatever mood we're in can sometimes affect our experience.

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And what if you were just having a bad day.

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Now, both the episodes were bad, won't I was having

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a rad week? Actually got it? Yeah, I like both

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of these episodes. Mystery of a Thousand Moons, well, I

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think there's some more things to pontificate with Lights of Zatar.

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Not necessarily great things, but I think there are some.

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There's some really clunky thematics that are really juicy to

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think about in Lights of Zatar, and Mystery of a

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Thousand Moons is just a straightforward adventure thing, it is.

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I was trying to think of some if there's anything, well,

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I mean there's it's pretty classic Thematics, Star Trek, Thematics,

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Star Wars, adventury stuff. But there's a bit of a

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Anakin's you can see little more moments of Anakin stuff,

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I guess connection some journey pieces.

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We've got some episode two Anakin this week, and yeah,

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which is Anakin has just been a guy for so

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much of the Clone Wars, and this week he gets

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to be a petty little bee, which is great because

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everyone else is just not.

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What do you like? Why do you like this episode

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better than the last one?

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Because it's better. There's so much less jar Jar antics?

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Is that?

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Why?

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Is that the primary reason why it is?

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It is? It is frustrating whenever jar Jar is not

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competent at anything sure, which.

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Yeah is true, and in this case he does. He

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is the reason Padmeg gets exposed to the virus.

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So, I mean, there's so many things that they're doing

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in this episode that is just so bone headed, but

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you hand wave it because like the plot needs to happen,

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and because like you know, you know the fates of

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most of the characters except for Ahsoka, which it would

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have been ballsy if they killed off Ahsoka Tano.

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Here, yeah, I won't say anything about Asokatano being killed off.

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I'll never say anything about Ahsoka Tana being killed off

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multiple times. Cool oh yeah, thinking of being killed off?

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So this I was thinking because this is one of

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those this episode from the Felony Zoni they were talking

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about how it was like, let me play the sound sexy.

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I can't believe that he said those words.

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He said, sexy Gungan, lady, sexy Gungan lady.

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Ladies.

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It's like that dimitring Martin bit. That's like just ending

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everything with ladies makes it sound so much craepier. You're like, help,

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I'm stuck down a well, ladies. That sexy young ladies, ladies. Ah,

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even you know what makes it better? So it was

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it was. It was George Lucas doess a Lucas desire

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to have more to it, and I say, sometimes it

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becomes like prequeently something comes to seql It's like, we

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want to keep this going, and you think you've done it,

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but you think you've solved the problem, but actually there's

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more to be said and done. Which is that making for?

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In my mind, an episode that's actually feels like it

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could be two full episodes, Like the whole bit about

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uh Diego is like it could be its own full

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episode that could get full exploration. I love that, Like,

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since you like this one, I feel like I can

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be a little bit more critical. It could be like

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what as opposed to just being like I like Star

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Wars leave Brittany alone, so.

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There's get to leave Brittany alone person on this podcast.

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Yeah, sweetheart, no, no, no, I leave them alone, leave

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them alone. There there is enough in there for it

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to be a full adventure, to be like what is

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happening on this backwater planet? You get this introduction of

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this kid who could basically is basically a version of Anakin,

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which is an interesting kind of moment of Anakin connecting

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with someone else, a threat to a planet and a people,

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and as something very very dynamic and interesting. This this

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threat being is those Jabo's his name, and then Jabo

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and like what's happened is they no one could ever

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leave the planet because the separatists had come into that

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space and then left it. When they left it, they

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set up a kind of electrical field that just destroys

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any ship that tries to leave it. Like that's horrifying.

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You can never get out, you have no idea what

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it is, and so they've called it this ghost and

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that in of itself is such an interesting type of story,

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like you could sit there forever, right, it's good to

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have I think a time limit on it, of like

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we got to get back in time to save our bodies.

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That's okay, But so maybe it did work. But I

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want to go.

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It deflated the tension right by going to another planet, yes,

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and having Spider.

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Adventures Spider because they climb, they climb now, they do well,

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they've always climbed.

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They climb now, yeah, they've always climbed. You're not doing

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you're not doing the Rise of Skywalker line.

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Oh sorry, Dudean they climb now, they climb now. Is

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that what he says? Oh yeah, I can say that

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they climb now somehow, Audrey to returned. I mean, there's

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a lot of fun dynamics. There's a lot of cool

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shit happening. Talk about Rise of skywork. It's fine. So

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you're right, it did it did it sort of rather

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than increased the tension of the like, oh we got

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to go to this planet, oh my gosh, just planting

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out there where we could get this root that could

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be the one thing that could cure this, uh, this

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virus that got out like and is killing the love

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of my life and like one of two other people

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that I love more than anything. So it does. It's

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sort of like to please it a little bit because

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now you're like hang them with like old dude who

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like uses vulture droids as his little hammock and like

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it's like the vibe of it is really good for

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maybe a different sort of context, you know what I mean,

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because it was fun.

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There are so many things well just that aspect alone

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of this twelve year old that has successfully reprogrammed a

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legion of droids on it. That opens a world building

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question because I would assume if a twelve year old

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could do that, literally, anyone at the Galactic Republic side,

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after they've destroyed a whole droids could reprogram the droids

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and have a legion of droids that could then infiltrate

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and report back. Don't think about it though, I mean,

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it's plot waiting stuff.

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I think. I wonder if there's a I don't like,

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an implication of like, wow, you're a one in a

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million type of genius like Anakin as when it comes

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to mechanical things, which the real So then you could

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actually be like, well, it's not a plot hole. What

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it is is sort of a lost opportunity to be like,

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what does it look like when Anakin meets this version?

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This is like someone who's like him and is all

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alone and doesn't have parents and is trapped Like there's an.

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Episode doesn't really seem interested in exploring that at all.

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Well, that's what I mean, it should have if it

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had maybe if hads face to be that, and it

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could have been a like you see, I see, I've

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been seeing a lot of like as I'm kind of

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going through, and I was like recapping for my brain

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because I watched it when I was sick. There's you

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see people who are like, oh, we're seeing some of

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like the dark siding can come out, and I'm like,

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I guess, I mean you're seeing Anakin desperate to save

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people he loves. And so if you define dark sand

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falling to dark Sand, Anakin as being obsessed like which

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I guess technically will yeah, but I also.

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Oh, no, he's obsessed. Let me check my nose. Here

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people that he cares about?

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No, no, no, that's not the ways supposed to give

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a ship.

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Meanwhile, obi Wan's looking at him, looking at him caring

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about people on Opien wands all like.

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Yeah, because obi Wan doesn't fall in love with anyone.

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You are bleeding from your nose.

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I keep being a little like spoiler asshole. Anyway, I

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I think there could have been a space for that,

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and so it was an interesting sort of like then

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that way, you know, I guess we could expand we

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could go a little bit farther.

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Whenever watching Clone Wars episodes and whenever we're watching the

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Folony Zoni, whenever we're listening to mister Sexy Gung himself.

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What is fun in watching the Felony Zoni stuff is

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trying to figure out which parts are things that they

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clearly dislike, but they have to justify it in this

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behind the scenes features because George is the boss.

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Uh huh?

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Do you ever play that game?

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I sometimes I wonder. I don't think they liked this.

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I didn't don't. I don't think so either. I think

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I think they liked the design of the moons, yes,

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the design of the plan is, and I think they

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like some of the world building.

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I don't. I don't think they. I don't think Folony

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liked Jabo.

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I don't think so.

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I think he was like, why the fuck are you

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putting this in here? Like this kid, which is.

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Why I give it a circle. I circled in my

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notes that you know that Jabe was a George invention.

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No one said anything, but I'm just like, yeah, he.

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Straight up as like like no other designs you've had before,

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like you know, like.

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A it's it's such a it's a he's a he's

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a fine character. There's nothing that I am against theory

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about JBO hood. But like for the rest of the

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stuff that we've watched so far of the Clone Wars,

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and then there's suddenly this twelve year old yep, yeah,

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that comes in and again huge world building change right

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right then I'm asking so many questions of things. And

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then also in the Polony Zoning, they say George just

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decides to make prequels sequels to F's he likes this

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is one of them.

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As someone who didn't know.

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And then oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, so you know,

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like this the behind the scenes stuff. Yes, I had

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to stop this because I was watching this special feature

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over at my partner's house.

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Kenny's in love. Kenny's in love. Just live Scott, He's in.

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Love exactly a gaslight Heidi constantly.

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Usually tell alder shit people about your.

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Remonitionis but anyway, Killian Plunkett. That's the guy. He's the

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first line in this week's behind the scenes feature, which

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I'm going to miss these things because it seems like

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these behind the scenes featurett's really just start not existing,

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but Killian Plunkett says A Thousand Moons was originally one

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of those episodes that didn't exist.

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And he's like, I really wish it had kept not existing.

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I can't do an Irish accent, like you can't thank

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you beautiful work on it. Nope, that's tool. That's too dublin.

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That's it's a little.

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Bit more in this. You're starting to sound like the

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TSI roll.

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Out three George Lucas Sintra three.

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Ah again like poetry.

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So if they rhyme, I'm not as someone who uh didn't.

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I mean, I was defending Blue Shadow virus. But it's

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still all like ranked it lower than I've ranked other episodes.

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I'm not surprised that George really liked it.

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I'm not true because he loves charge.

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Okay, yeah, I mean so listen, this is a fun

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ass episode, an ass episode if you're going to that's

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why it's always like, let's let's go from the assumption

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that yeah, that was his idea. It's once again sort

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of a strange like it like just misses right because

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you and I look at that and we're like, okay,

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why is this kid here and you could like foresee

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not to be like, oh my god, we'd like write

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such a better episode than this, but like we could

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see it and be like, what is the purpose of him?

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If he's going to be this, he could be anyone.

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Just because the episode is not really well, what it

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is interested in exploring is stuff that we've kind of

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already explored before, which is, oh, Anakin's attached to.

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People, right, and we're going to keep doing that, and

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we're not like hitting it hard enough that it actually

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makes much of a difference here, Like we're not like

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we know like and he's going to get even more,

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like he's getting fucking enraged. We've seen it happen. We're

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going to keep seeing it happen unless it becomes a

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different manifestation.

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Okay, sure, watches also the frustration whenever you have an

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inter cool TV show. Okay, so you've got to clear.

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Intol intel intermeding between cale meaning.

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What yes, like the movie Alien round me Lis, Wait.

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What is does mean? What? Interquo between what.

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You've got SQL, you've got prequel.

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Equal, you got interl interkol.

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Yeah, so you've got a set beginning point for Anakin Skywalker.

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You've got an end point for Anakin Skywalker unless somehow

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he returns and so, but the rules of TV is

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that you have characters progress just a little bit, the

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assumed rules, you know, according to TV writing. And I

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think just Dan Harmon talking about TV characters progress a

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little bit, they kind of returned back to the status quo.

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But there's a little bit of progress. But the beginning

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of Revenge of the Sith is a sequel to episode two. Yes,

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the really the only think that has changed is that

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an Obi Wan are friends.

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And and Anakin has that red scar and also long

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hair to show the passage of time.

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Sure, and also they choose black, so they choose not

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to tackle him growing his hair out, which I'm pretty

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frustrated by.

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So far, it'll happen. There's going to be a time

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to film great wonderful. Well, no, there isn't. There's a time,

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jop In Tarakowski. I mean there will be like he

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will start to grow out his hair like you see

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it happen. I don't know what I'm saying. You see

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it happen.

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George wanted to grow Anagin's hair out, so we designed

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a whole planet of hair based on Ralph mcquarie's dying.

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So we got together and we decided what would be

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the texture of the hair if George wanted it this way,

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and we decided that we would go with a with

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a two C type hair.

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We had to ask ourself questions about light is the hair,

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how buoyant is the hair? How much bounce does it

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have whenever it's in the sun, How does that affect

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it versus how it's in the moon. All these fundamental

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questions that we've been wanting to ask since the beginning,

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but we really haven't had the time in development until

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George gave.

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Us this gift and then we went into a partnership

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with Esta lawder Lad.

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Do you think that we're the only Star Wars Star

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Trek podcasters with Dave Bloni and Killian Plunkett impressions?

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Oh god, I think we're probably the only ones with

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Dave Filony, George Killian. Uh. Who are your others? You

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have really good ones? Who else did you You've done well?

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Multiple I've got my Darth Maul impression.

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Now let's hear it. Okay, all right, that was so good.

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Thank you.

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I like to tell just like from within your skin

471
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like red and black stripes just emerged on your face.

472
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.319
I would say, yeah, probably.

473
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.480
What other impressions do I have? Oh? I mean I

474
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.599
got the one word Shatner impression. We have the one

475
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:25.000
word Shatner impression. Woman woman, woman ships, a woman with

476
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:34.279
legs and breasts, womanly needs, womanly needs, womanly needs. So anyways,

477
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.359
it's fun to play the game of what are there?

478
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.559
What are they having to be polite about George inventions

479
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.240
right and jabo because you and me were like, how

480
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.920
can we connect this thematically? But then you bring George

481
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.079
Lucas into the thing and he's like, what if the

482
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.880
episodes about uh OPI wan eating a sandwich?

483
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.000
And for those of you who didn't watch the episode,

484
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.799
this is what it's about. Yeah, they all foot long.

485
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.119
It feels like, no, I think George did want a spider?

486
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.119
Did George want a spider? Did George want a spider?

487
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.960
Are you confusing Kevin Smith story?

488
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:17.759
What's up? Man? Kevin Smith?

489
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.960
Here? I don't love my wife's But that's a good

490
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.319
true it's a good impression too, uh I don't. I mean,

491
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.759
there's really good visuals in it. There's also a there's

492
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.400
a there's something called applying zand and we love you.

493
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.599
I love it. I liked it. I like this flying Zandy.

494
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.079
It looks like we're bad. I don't know, it's a

495
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.359
lot of cool visuals. It's just that it goes back

496
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:49.799
to our classic like aesthetics saying right, like you can

497
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.039
feel when maybe something is there for aesthetics and just

498
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.440
because it's like, oh that's a fun idea. It just

499
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.000
like gives me a lot of like a little a

500
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:03.480
little thrill. I'm George's little troll versus like what would

501
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:08.160
be why? Like why would this child be here? You know?

502
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:13.160
And I want to I would, I just would love Yeah,

503
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.400
I mean a story of like how interesting to have

504
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.319
a kid? Who oh my god. Okay, just imagine this

505
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:23.599
episode has a new blue shadow virus. We know, we

506
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.480
get get it, we get it, we get it. You

507
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:31.400
love bad me, you love a Sooka, we get it.

508
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:32.960
You got a temper?

509
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:33.759
We know.

510
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.839
Great. Imagine that meets this kid.

511
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.880
I want listeners. I want you to pull over wherever

512
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:46.680
you are. I want you to stop stop stop, block traffic.

513
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:47.240
Damn it.

514
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:54.240
Do for the art. So you meet a kid as

515
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:57.920
kids also like like his parents are dead, but he's

516
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.440
as smart as Anakin. But instead he's like surrounded by

517
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:07.720
people who love him or like encourage his curiosity and

518
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.039
like make space for him, and he like has attachments

519
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.599
that are saying imaging. Then you know, JBO makes more sense.

520
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:17.519
I was just having this big egg kid, you know,

521
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.519
just like rocking around his little hammock.

522
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:26.400
That's a great idea because you're now exploring Anakin's relationship

523
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.559
to you know, yea, the jet die.

524
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.519
Imagine if there were a foil for.

525
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:39.039
Because the season has been about slowly muddying the waters

526
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:44.279
of all of this and you're still getting those classic

527
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:49.319
Star Wars elements, but just like like TV developments, because

528
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.799
you can't move the characters along, but what you can

529
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.440
do is move You can change the ideas, and you

530
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.400
can evolve the ideas to muddy up and great gray

531
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:04.079
things up. And that would have been crad and instead

532
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.480
it's just an adventure episode. That's pretty good.

533
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.400
Pretty good. I'm a pretty fun A question I have

534
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.039
and this has actually been bugging the shit out of me.

535
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.039
And can you tell me if I missed something? Padme

536
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.279
and Anakin are in Asoka brother are dying. They've got

537
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.519
vainy blue veins on their faces and they're.

538
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.160
Like, that's how you know they're sick.

539
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.200
That's how you know. That's how you know you don't

540
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.640
just have like a cough.

541
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.799
Well, well, make no mistake, there are some clones who

542
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.559
do cough, which is luck Cut and the Feloni Zoni.

543
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.680
There's some hand waving up being like the germs are

544
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:47.759
actually getting through the filterration. We know canonically that those

545
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.839
clones can work in space. You know how bad it

546
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.400
would be if the filters didn't work at all in

547
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.440
space can be pretty bad.

548
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:05.640
As Kenny, that's a different kind of suit impression work.

549
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.640
Come fresh. I know that's what you're actually not at.

550
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.599
Originally we were wanting to do the whole planet as

551
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:20.599
a filter. It's dramatic irony, just an N.

552
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.960
Ninety five mask. The whole planet's one big ninety.

553
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.400
But instead of an N ninety five, because of Star Wars,

554
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:28.640
it will be a Z ninety five.

555
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:36.680
Cute Okay, So Patmes like, promise me you won't open

556
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:41.319
the bunker because presumably then the blue Shadow virus to

557
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:43.839
get out. But then after they get the root thing

558
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.240
to fix them, I guess it just cuts and they're

559
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:50.640
out of the bunker and they're just being taken off

560
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.079
by the meddroids. And I'm like, so, you open the bunker,

561
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.119
does that mean it got out? There's literally not I'm

562
00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.720
usually fine with that kind of shit, but it was

563
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.720
actual way frustrating for me.

564
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.759
You and me, You and me are fine with this stuff.

565
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.280
Look at us. We are not cinema sins that that

566
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:10.960
is not us. We're like home to the magic Show.

567
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:11.840
We want to believe.

568
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:12.599
I want to believe.

569
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:19.519
But whenever, you are not bothering to bring us thematics

570
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.639
or something emotional that we can latch onto. If you

571
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:26.480
are exercising something in aesthetic terms, which is completely fine, right,

572
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:29.840
then what are you bringing to the table?

573
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:30.599
What do you mean?

574
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.719
And there are so many there are so many world

575
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.400
building questions here that are just kind of hand waved

576
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.880
away that would be really interesting to dig into, right and.

577
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.360
Not the like, No, it's fun to have a background

578
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.599
character that just looks cool. That's great. I'm going to

579
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.280
talk about that. I'm talking about the fact that she

580
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.440
explicitly said, promise me you won't open the bunker, And

581
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:55.400
then I'm like, so, is what did it dissipate just

582
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.360
because you have a cure for them? Does it mean

583
00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.360
what are you gonna give a cure to anybody who'd

584
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.800
be in the radius of like this? You know, like

585
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.360
what what do you? What's the vibe here?

586
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:08.840
There is a grid line that Patme does have where

587
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.199
a clone dies because of the blue Shadow virus.

588
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:13.480
Yes, this is good.

589
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.679
And I don't remember the specific specific line.

590
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.039
Do you remember the specific she says, what a waste?

591
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.320
She says, what a waste? And and I, you know,

592
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.840
I don't Is it maybe Racks or someone who's it's

593
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:28.599
one of the droids is like our joy it's one

594
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.400
of the the clones, is like, oh, it's what they

595
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.719
were born was what we were born to do, you know,

596
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.679
And it's just like yikes, And she's and she's like,

597
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.320
clearly it does not like that either, Like she's just

598
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:41.440
like she says.

599
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:44.159
That something like hope their sacrifice, yeah is where it

600
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.159
helps us. It helps us end this war, that's it.

601
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.360
Yeah, helps us in this war? What a waste of

602
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.039
like like because she's like, this is human light and

603
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.079
this is horrifying because that fucking bunny droid got away

604
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:03.239
and snuck snuck around us a little Blenny Joy. Yeah.

605
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:08.199
Once again, by the way, proving and what Patrick Cottner

606
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.960
said on one of our previous episodes, which is Papi

607
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.280
unfortunately gets relegated to these stories where it seems like

608
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.760
she's boring, but she is the one who is presenting

609
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.480
a lot of moral fortitude and bravery, and she often

610
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.920
gets paired with jar Jar, which would like, I'm not

611
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.800
as bothered as you are, but it does end up

612
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.679
being feeling like its undermines her thing.

613
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.440
I want to make it abundantly clear.

614
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:34.719
Okay, don't yell at me.

615
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:40.199
I want to make abundantly clear. Yeah, I am not

616
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:41.239
bothered by jar Jar.

617
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:41.760
Okay.

618
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:46.840
What I am bothered by, okay, is jar Jar not

619
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.280
being good at anything.

620
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.000
That's what jar Jar is, though you are. No, No,

621
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.000
that's not ever been capable.

622
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:57.840
That's not true.

623
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:03.639
He's always accidentally capable.

624
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:06.360
He punched that droid in the nose.

625
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.719
Yeah, it did make it go.

626
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.079
Yeah, and then the droid didn't just like catapult all

627
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:14.480
over the.

628
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.880
Place, right right, I was just luck, you know what?

629
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.079
In episode two, he greeted Anakin and Obi Wan successfully

630
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:27.280
without grewing anything upright. He gave the he gave Palpatine

631
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.840
emergency powers, right. He not that out of the part.

632
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.000
Just did a great job.

633
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.760
He did a great job with with accelerating the fall

634
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.760
of the Galactic Republic. What do you think of this

635
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:40.320
week's app?

636
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.639
I don't know. It's fine. I like it more than

637
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.480
last week's. I'm with you, I liked it more than

638
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.599
last weeks I did. I did you know what I did?

639
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.840
We've already we've already done it better. I don't remember

640
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:56.440
which episode it was. We've already done it better. The

641
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:56.920
idea we.

642
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:57.639
Already did it better.

643
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:02.199
We've already done it better. The con scent of aliens

644
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.360
who want to continue living, so maybe they like take

645
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.840
over the body of a person, a beautiful.

646
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.599
Woman, return to tomorrow?

647
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.880
Right, I really liked what?

648
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:14.679
Uh?

649
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:16.320
With that said?

650
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.639
That was? That was last season?

651
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.280
Yeah? With that said, I didn't. I don't. I didn't

652
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.119
particularly find it sleepy. Actually found it very interesting. This episode.

653
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.480
I thought it was. I thought it was consistently interesting throughout.

654
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.440
Ideas of it were fun. It was actually scary, like

655
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.880
I think that's actually what makes me like it is

656
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.800
it was it felt like a horror episode.

657
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:46.800
The sounds, yes, oh they are infected by the lights.

658
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.599
And like their facial expressions. Legitimately one of the things

659
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:56.679
that scares me the most is like the like big

660
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.880
mouth like screaming with no sound kind of thing, or

661
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.480
like oh God, oh, God of God, or like you know,

662
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.159
like the first like in sixth sense, when like he

663
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.519
opens the closet and there's like the girl inside of it.

664
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.480
Oh no, is that that's not the sixth sense? That's no. No,

665
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.679
the Ring. It's like the girl who watches it and

666
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.199
you see what happens to when you open the closet.

667
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.719
She's just like horrifying and like it's like she died

668
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.199
screaming in the closet. Anyway, for people who don't like Carr,

669
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.400
I'm so sorry that image scares the shit out of me.

670
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.800
And it was like that, I haven't seen the Ring.

671
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.360
Have you seen the sixth sense?

672
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.119
I never got around to it. I hadn't watched the

673
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:33.719
first five.

674
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:41.480
Well, the second sense. There's a bunch of porcelain puppy

675
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.639
dons that your uncle collected, but he never wanted to

676
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:49.400
share because he was afraid that it would risk his masculinity.

677
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.599
He left them all to you in a warehouse. Ah.

678
00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:01.119
So yeah, yeah, So every time it happens with her Mirah,

679
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.559
and then it's also they find a woman. Oh, this

680
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.920
is the first, the first mention of the of memory alpha, right, Yes,

681
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.440
where we get memory alpha. It's an actual library.

682
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:15.320
Space in space and memory alpha resource that we've used

683
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:16.840
many many times.

684
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.079
Which is so I didn't realize. I should have guessed,

685
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.519
but I never I never knew. And yeah, they find

686
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.000
everybody they're dead, and they find that woman and she's

687
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:28.199
just making the most horrific facial expressions while that scary

688
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:29.840
asset is coming out of her mouth, and it is

689
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:31.119
a lot.

690
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.320
It's chilling. Yeah, and for that truly unsettling. I did

691
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.440
not like listening to it at all. Right, which might

692
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.199
be the good mark of a thing, or might be

693
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:43.400
the mark of a bad thing.

694
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.880
Which I think maybe that's my analysis. I think you're smarty.

695
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:50.320
It could either be good or it could be bad.

696
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:55.960
I think, really that's an analysis that is widely appealing.

697
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:02.159
Mm hm, I can't disagree, thank you. I think basically employed,

698
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:09.440
basically incapable physically. Ah, it's my impression.

699
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.079
Yeah, Yes, we have had lots of sleepy episodes recently

700
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.760
for Star Trek. This was less sleepy. There's still some

701
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:23.199
very frustrating elements which might might be the common Alley

702
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.760
between these episodes, so that two episodes that really enjoyed,

703
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.159
but like on the surface level, there are more fascinating

704
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.880
things that are like just like one step away, right,

705
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:36.800
or I think in the case of Lights of Zatar

706
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:44.239
might have been like unfortunately like fifty years away.

707
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.079
What do you mean? But uh, are you doing what

708
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.199
I was doing? Where you kept being like maybe there's

709
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.039
going to be another episode where something will happen that's

710
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:53.880
similar but better.

711
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.239
Yeah, Okay. They never follow up with this at all,

712
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.800
even though they that plays mirror Romain. I was just like, oh,

713
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:03.800
you're really good.

714
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.519
She is another one of those like, wow, this guest

715
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:14.760
performance is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Yeah, she's Uh,

716
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.920
it's an interesting it's an interesting character because she does

717
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.440
spend the whole time being deeply upset, which I would

718
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:26.639
be too if my brain were being taken over by Yeah, aliens.

719
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.840
I have this episode to me and let me talk

720
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.480
over you as I present this theme, thinking about how

721
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.239
as I was thinking about what the theme the theme

722
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.760
is was bodily autonomy, you think, so, I think that's

723
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.000
what it is trying for, and I think from our

724
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:52.679
twenty twenty four lens, I think it's failing mostly, but

725
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.960
it is kind of about that. Whenever it makes allusions

726
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:05.079
to greater theme, it is talking about a lieutenant first

727
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:09.280
assignment is starfleet first assignment for the Federation, even though

728
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:14.800
she's a lieutenant whatever whatever, Yeah, it's it's it's her

729
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.039
first assignment and she's just kind of deciding who she's

730
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:25.760
going to be. Yeah, and she gets done taken over

731
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:32.639
by the titular lights of Zatar and it becomes can't

732
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:36.440
do will she be able to wrestle agency away from

733
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:41.000
this character or from these titular lights? How will she

734
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:41.559
do it?

735
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:49.400
You are making me realize something, which is I think

736
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:54.199
this episode much like what's the name of the episode

737
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.239
with the Medusa medusin.

738
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:57.599
Is there in truth? No beauty?

739
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.599
Is there in truth? No beauty? I was never gonna

740
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:00.519
remember that, and I was.

741
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.000
I can't believe that I remember it that mouthful.

742
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:09.559
That's an episode that is so focused on the experience

743
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.800
of the woman like in this character and her motivations

744
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.320
and something is happening to her, Things are happening, but

745
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.960
she is there. What is so I think so different

746
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.519
about that is the focus on her. This episode would

747
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.119
have been better served to be more focused on Mira

748
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:34.239
and her actual experience. She goes through the whole episode,

749
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:40.559
it becomes about Scotti's relationship to her, which I'm I

750
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.079
am not against us getting to have a romance, Like

751
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.039
I'm not against romances, Like we should have romance because

752
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.440
you get to be capable and have romance and Scotty

753
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.639
should get one too. And I know it was purposeful by.

754
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:56.480
Your favorite movie is this four hour super cut of

755
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:57.199
people kissing.

756
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:02.880
It really is all the diferent types of kisses, big old,

757
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:10.960
wet well little butterfly, Ga wet Butterfly.

758
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.599
You help.

759
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.519
When you cry.

760
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:26.320
No, I was interrupting your point in order to make

761
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:27.119
a stupid bit.

762
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.400
I mean, it's a lot of matter. I'm not I'm not,

763
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.440
I'm not against it. But because she has so little

764
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.079
agency to start in that relationship, and I might be

765
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.239
seeing it through the twenty twenty four leans of being

766
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.239
like she's a lieutenant and he has power over her

767
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.440
and they're working on this project together, and maybe it

768
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.719
couldn't even be helped. It could have been helped, maybe

769
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.800
even just by having her be way more interested in him,

770
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.280
that there was like an equality of their interest together.

771
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:02.519
Scotty is an absolute sweetheart, like, but it definitely feels

772
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.039
like he's even though they're not that different in age,

773
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.880
it feels like he's much older than her.

774
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.920
Oh yeah, it totally feels like a father daughter relationship.

775
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.840
It because the way that treating.

776
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.679
Her, and so then what happens is as opposed to

777
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.719
it feeling like a or like an equal relationship for

778
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.119
coming in which it can never because this is her

779
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.480
first assignments, her first time here. She's a lieutenant, she's

780
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.320
below him, all these things, right that, you know, whatever,

781
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:35.119
we're starting here. Then as she's going through this horrific experience,

782
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:39.239
he's literally like, don't tell anybody I know better than you.

783
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.880
Like he literally is like, it's just it's just space sickness,

784
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:44.719
and like.

785
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.960
You know, you couldn't possibly have had a vision, right.

786
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.079
Like, like no one's that's never happened, even though we've

787
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:51.239
gone through so much bullshit.

788
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.519
Meanwhile, she rightly points out within the episode, you all

789
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.519
do this stuff every week, right, right, which is remarkably

790
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.320
self aware for a TV show in nineteen sixty nine.

791
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.079
Like, I like that she's so angry because she's mad,

792
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:11.400
like she's she's a real gram gram she does. They

793
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.679
start calling her girl, though not to her face. They

794
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.039
still call her lieutenant, but they start being like the girl,

795
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.239
the girl. I don't think I've ever heard that.

796
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:25.320
And here's what is frustrating, because the episode ultimately boils

797
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.400
down to this climactic incident where Mirror Romaine, Lieutenant Mirror Romaine,

798
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.840
is wrestling control of her brain from the lights of

799
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:39.320
Zatar and is going I'm in control, and just through

800
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.480
a nineteen sixty nine lens. Right, you have a character

801
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.760
where the climactic moment is about her asserting agency.

802
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:46.280
Yeah.

803
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.519
Meanwhile, the other climactic moment, where they are kind of

804
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:51.440
trying to figure out what is going on with her

805
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:58.639
in the meeting room, is nothing but other characters talking

806
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.719
about her own own agency.

807
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:01.480
Yeah.

808
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.440
So she's in the room getting talked about, yeah, and

809
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:11.480
how and tragic it is that she's been taken over

810
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:13.079
or something along those lines.

811
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:18.079
They talk about her history like that she's pliable, like

812
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.719
she's like yeah in terms of her personality, which I

813
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.920
think is part of the idea that these aliens would

814
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.199
be like, oh, we can seek you because we could

815
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:26.840
take you over.

816
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.920
And instead of Kirk asking Mirror Romain, yeah, Kirk asks

817
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:39.239
McCoy Yeah, as if McCoy's medical knowledge of this transfer

818
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.880
from Starfleet in the Federation would be more reliable than

819
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:49.920
Lieutenant Muhau Romain. And that's from twenty twenty four. It's

820
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:54.199
extremely clear how rough that is, even from nineteen sixty

821
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.039
nine standards, where everyone's just running around being openly sexist.

822
00:48:59.039 --> 00:48:59.320
Yeah.

823
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.960
I hate making this this qualifier, uh, but it's bad

824
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:09.320
storytelling fundamentally it is. I think another an easier fix

825
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.679
would be, and what would make it a better episode

826
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:19.400
would be if you're talking about agency and stuff, but

827
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:25.239
for a fresh young graduate from Starfleet, make a chack law.

828
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:33.360
Yeah, or or Christy Ali's character in Wrath of Khan, right, yeah,

829
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.920
Like that's an interesting example of what you can do

830
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:41.199
with like I mean, she's she's a graduate, rights, she's like, she's.

831
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:45.000
A graduate, but in Star Trek two is like thematically

832
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:46.920
so freaking tight.

833
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.039
Right right, you know.

834
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:53.960
But also that's an example of a guest star as

835
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:57.000
extrapolation of care, as extrapolation of theme that they're wanting

836
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.119
to examine. So I don't even think that you need

837
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.960
a guest starring or to examine this stuff. You have regulars.

838
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.679
Yeah, right, right, right, right, Like you.

839
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:11.159
Could have, I mean, and so it's frustrating. And then

840
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:13.079
we get to the.

841
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:17.000
Research accessing library computer data ASPEN.

842
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.239
Are you familiar with the work of Sherry Lewis I

843
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.639
Lamb Chop, Yeah, dog.

844
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.519
Yeah, And this is the only episode she wrote of

845
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.000
Star Trek and she wanted to play that role. Yeah,

846
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.800
and they said no.

847
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.280
And they were like no, and I was like glow.

848
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:42.719
Her name's Jen. Yes. Sherry Lewis was obviously responsible for

849
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:47.760
Lamb Chop, beloved children's icon, and then not only that.

850
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.360
At this point, by nineteen sixty eight, she was wanting

851
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.000
to expand into drama as a writer and an actress.

852
00:50:56.559 --> 00:51:02.960
She was while the episode was filming, she was opening

853
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:07.880
for Jack Betty I believe. So she was like a

854
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:17.639
touring comedian two TLDNR. She she's a strong independent woman.

855
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.280
She wrote this episode with her husband as well. Her

856
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.039
husband is also her business partner and her writing partner

857
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.760
partner in all things. But Sherry Lewis is the face

858
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.360
of the brand and she's the one that was going

859
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:37.159
around doing things and so yeah, and then you and

860
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.199
then her opinion of this episode was, and I'm quoting

861
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.960
from these are the voyages ts seasons three from Mark

862
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.639
Cushman and Susan Osborne. Sherry Lewis later said, I found

863
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.800
working with mister fryer Berger, the showrunner, wonderful, but the

864
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.079
story editor, Arthur Singer did things store a story that

865
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.679
didn't make me enormously happy. The script as it exists

866
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.760
is I think, less good than as we wrote it. No,

867
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:06.599
I don't have access to the earlier drafts of things,

868
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.000
and certainly there were lots of odds and ends that

869
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:16.480
were chosen. But what feels weird, especially from a woman

870
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.280
that was able to make a name for herself in

871
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:25.360
nationwide TV. Uh huh, is to have a character. And

872
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.440
this is just pure speculation on my part, but it

873
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:34.800
doesn't feel It feels like boys making her a little

874
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:39.599
bit more sedate. And also it could be like Shatner

875
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:41.760
and Nimoi being like, we want some lines.

876
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.320
I mean, this doesn't sound too different than the DC

877
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.440
Fontana story of last week's episode of it being like.

878
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.000
When I saw that she wrote this, I was like,

879
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:57.239
I my guess is the original script was good? My

880
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.559
guess is the original script? I mean? I know that

881
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.000
she wanted to add the romance, and she wanted it

882
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:07.159
to be with Scott, which again you can have that

883
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.519
it is. It is good and okay, but I had

884
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.719
a guess. We can't prove it that she probably wrote

885
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.920
a script in which she had more agency, or the

886
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.159
story actually was about her instead about people fucking talking

887
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.679
about her and calling her girl and deciding what's best

888
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:24.000
for her.

889
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:24.840
It's weird.

890
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:31.840
I have that. Okay, here's rumpy.

891
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.920
Here's where Sherry Lewis was in nineteen sixty eight. Because

892
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:42.119
they going emotionally pretty good. She just wanted to pivot

893
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.239
in TV so she could be doing some stuff for adults. Sure,

894
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.800
So anyways, they pitched the story to Star Trek. They

895
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.800
got the commission, and Sherry Lewis says, we got the

896
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:55.559
go I had to do it when I was playing

897
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.599
in Las Vegas with Jack Benning. So I would do

898
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.519
two shows a night, and every morning I would wake

899
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.039
up at eleven o'clock, my husband and I would start writing.

900
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.119
We would write from eleven a m. Till five in

901
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.039
the afternoon, and I would take a little that and

902
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.920
get ready to do my two shows again. Wow, Jesus Christ,

903
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:12.679
isn't that wild?

904
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:18.000
Oh my god, Christ, Yeah, I'm glad you got a nad.

905
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:19.599
I am too.

906
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:27.119
I'm sorry the way Jesus so, I mean, yeah, this

907
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.199
just also goes to show every time we talk about this,

908
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.639
like none of it is ever. It's not easy to do.

909
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.920
You've said this a billion times. It is not easy

910
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.480
to do TV. It's not easy to make feature films.

911
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:44.000
Making art making like television shows is not easy.

912
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:45.320
It's impossible.

913
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.559
But a part of me, also from that story, wants

914
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:52.559
to get really mad at the story editor. Yeah, like

915
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.480
I get, I know it's probably multiple channels of things,

916
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.440
and also the.

917
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:02.119
Fuck but we don't know exactly what happened. We can

918
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:07.480
speculate and it's just odd. Of course, although they specifically

919
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.880
wanted to do a love story, Sherry Lewis and her husband,

920
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:15.000
sure Jeremy Talkcher, wanted to specifically do a love story

921
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:16.199
with Scotty.

922
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:22.320
Yeah, in which he is not accused of murdering right

923
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:30.079
where Scott And that's fine. Her involvement in that relationship,

924
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:33.440
so it actually feels like she is part of this

925
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:37.960
and like when you were talking about them, so she's

926
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.679
the one who ultimately fights them off, and even then

927
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.960
afterward they're talking about her while she's still in the

928
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.519
little case or whatever, her little I don't know iron

929
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.679
Lung And they're like, well, you know, but she was

930
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.719
supposed to be so pliable or whatever, like what do

931
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:56.800
we think? What could it have been? And they're like,

932
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.199
it's probably because of Scotty. It's probably because her. Her

933
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.000
love of Scottie is what kept her like able to

934
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:08.480
fight and hang on. And I'm like, sure, connection is great,

935
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:15.000
and also, go fuck yourselves. Jesus Christ. I didn't think

936
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.280
I was mad about this, and now I'm glumpy. Well,

937
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.079
imagine that this is not to keep doing this, but

938
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.599
imagine that this has just been like a scary episode

939
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.840
and then it had been her or we like you said,

940
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.400
it didn't even have to be hurt, Like what if

941
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:33.239
it's what if it's happening to Ahura? Like why why not?

942
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:35.639
You know, why not have this happen to a hourr

943
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.880
and have it be like her, someone we love on a.

944
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.239
Season that is notoriously trying to save as much money

945
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.960
as possible. Why not use your cast?

946
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.960
Yeah, use your cast. I would be any of them,

947
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.199
any of them at all.

948
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.400
Why it could just be a story about agency? Yeah,

949
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.800
and how violating it can feel whenever someone is dictating

950
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:03.239
your body. Well in it we.

951
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.679
Once again to have this the funny situation of like

952
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.800
if if the episode is commenting on that or it's

953
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.519
trying to comment on it, but then the characters within

954
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.960
it and the episode itself is doubly violating her agency

955
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:20.559
like in it, Like it's so funny that it actually

956
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.639
reinforces its own message and its existence being like it's

957
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.239
writing being bad or it's execution and its final form.

958
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.679
Goodness gracious, I mean otherwise I liked it.

959
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.000
That's true, very down on it, but like it's a

960
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.079
serviceable episode.

961
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.119
The light the light effects are beautiful. It's very interesting

962
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:46.159
and scary. A lot of the the sets again, the

963
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.960
iron lung, which I guess is just a repurposed space

964
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:53.159
thing from space Seed. It's very cool. She like floats

965
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:59.119
in it. That's very fun. But yeah, Scotty's god the

966
00:57:59.280 --> 00:57:59.719
entire time.

967
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:03.079
It's a weird episode. It's a crunchy episode.

968
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:06.480
Yeah, it is crunchy again. Wasn't bored, which I hate that.

969
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.840
That's like a good uh.

970
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.760
Where we are star Trek at this moment in time

971
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.760
and season three? Oh my god, it does feel like

972
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:15.400
water in a desert.

973
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.840
Right, water in a desert, But yeah, that's where I'm

974
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:22.039
at you took me from being like that was pretty

975
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.559
good to now I'm like, I'm unhappy.

976
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.239
Well, speaking of water in the desert and being thirsty.

977
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.920
Yeah, don't you take my walk lighter and clip it.

978
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.239
Don't you take my red schird buddy and nip it.

979
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.000
If you spill the tea, I'm gonna sip.

980
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:45.199
Bit a star has been. What are we doing this week?

981
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.039
We're gonna do our classic name our favorite ships slash

982
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:56.079
vehicles that ship their way through the stars, and our

983
00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:03.840
favorite romantic chips. You go down with that ship, the Gorn.

984
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.519
Try again. I'm trying to I'm trying to like present

985
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:11.920
my things, and I wish I had more Star Trek stuff,

986
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.599
but we do what we do. This is the Ahsoka

987
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:21.320
thing You've got me. Anyway, what's yours, what's mine? I'll

988
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:28.679
go first my So I looked through and I feel

989
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.480
like there aren't a lot of new ships in either

990
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.719
of them. So I was having a lot of trouble

991
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:40.400
unless I missed some. So I decided to go the

992
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:48.880
dumb route. And my favorite ship is a vehicle, and

993
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:54.000
it's the Flying XANDU in Star Wars because they use

994
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:57.119
it as a way to get down the cliff. So

995
00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:02.960
it does fly, and it flies through the stars. We're

996
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:07.280
doing Ewoks rules, you know, it's like doing rules. Sometimes

997
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.119
you just pick an animal and it goes and that's

998
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:15.360
your your ship. Sure, but because I don't know, nothing

999
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:16.320
really stood out to me.

1000
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:21.760
Otherwise, Well, I will pick Vindi's shuttle, which according to

1001
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.679
Wikipedia is a she the peak class transport shuttle that

1002
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:26.920
was used for.

1003
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:31.760
There you go. I mean, yeah, you picked the one

1004
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.400
new thing we could do. I guess you could also

1005
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.920
we've already done, like vulture droids. I guess we could

1006
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:40.679
pick a hammock, the hammock between the vulture droids.

1007
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.159
With that, you could also.

1008
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:47.199
Pick all the ships that are out out in maybe

1009
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.199
like would the moons count.

1010
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:53.599
Or the shop Apparently a Whitey thirteen hundred freighter is

1011
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:54.039
in this.

1012
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.320
Oh man, really suck to finding the ships. Then what

1013
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.000
if I make it all the broken and chips that

1014
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:07.960
are outside all the ships? Oh my god, oh my god.

1015
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:13.840
We didn't talk about the angel a what the angel?

1016
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:15.480
Are you an angel?

1017
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:17.559
Yes? Next question.

1018
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.000
We didn't talk about. Oh. Sorry, this just reminded me that,

1019
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.440
like Diego, that the whole point of that is, that's

1020
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:29.480
what well, Annie says in Phantom Menas, He's like, I

1021
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.719
don't like it. He's like, they talk about the angels

1022
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.239
in Diego, And that's what I mean. This could have

1023
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.079
been like a really great episode. The Star Wars episod

1024
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.199
would have been really great if it. We're like, like,

1025
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.079
you didn't see like a minute of this angel creature

1026
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:44.880
just so that you could get a little member Barry

1027
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:46.960
in like it could have been an actual expiration of

1028
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:51.000
the thing, right like, But anyway, I mean, the character

1029
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:53.199
design is beautiful, and that's why it's kind of unfortunate

1030
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.880
you only see her for a literal minute.

1031
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:57.840
But what his character design never comes back.

1032
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.880
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so.

1033
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.000
I feel like you would know.

1034
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:04.840
I don't remember, but I don't. I think I would

1035
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.559
remember that because it's a beautiful design. You's got a

1036
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:08.320
little wings.

1037
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:13.800
Yeah yeah, well, too bad that you didn't love that.

1038
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:19.559
Oh anyway, Oh sorry, okay, great, I liked your choice too.

1039
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:23.599
So the ship ship, the ships, the romantic ships.

1040
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:28.880
You better not take mine, better not take mine.

1041
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:31.760
I want to do a legit one.

1042
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.559
Yeah, I'm going to be doing a legit one.

1043
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:36.039
Too, pad Ma and Ahsoka.

1044
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.960
Great. That's actually a great ship it is.

1045
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:50.119
I was. They are lovely, two very different yet extraordinary

1046
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:55.880
people who care about each other deeply. And you could

1047
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:58.159
tell just how much like Padme was kind of in

1048
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.280
awe of the Soca, just how she was fighting so

1049
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:05.039
hard despite being so ill. And they're coming at this

1050
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:08.719
from similar perspectives of justice and whatever it looks like.

1051
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:11.360
And you know, as they're they're together, you can kind

1052
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:16.199
of imagine like a very Shakespearean tragic death as they

1053
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:22.400
both come they both succume to their illness beautiful like

1054
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.480
a like a a beautiful painting of Ophelia drowned amongst

1055
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:31.800
the flowers. But it's two of them together anyway, that's fine.

1056
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.719
I seriously thought about doing Kirk and Scottie this week

1057
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:43.000
because Kirk seems downright furious at Scotti not being the

1058
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.719
engineer that he could count on, especially at the beginning,

1059
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:50.800
right he is. We we have season one Kirk back

1060
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:59.719
this week because he is mad at people, mad at Scottie. Yeah, Scotty.

1061
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.320
Also it was actually actively disobeying orders.

1062
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.960
Sure, he wants to go help mir or Romaine in

1063
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:10.320
sick Bay. Meanwhile, they've encountered a brand new life form. Right,

1064
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.159
that is moving faster than the speed of light, which

1065
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:18.760
no natural phenomenon can be. Meanwhile, it's literally light. Don't

1066
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.079
think about it too much, though, so Kurt from the

1067
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:23.800
Captain's log says, when a man of Scotty's years falls

1068
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.079
in love, the loneliness of his life is suddenly revealed

1069
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:29.679
to him. His whole heart was throbbed only to the

1070
01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:32.719
ship's engines. He could talk only to the ship. Now

1071
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:37.119
you can see nothing but the woman. What a beautiful

1072
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.599
little Okay, damn kirk.

1073
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:44.840
Yeah, it's a good point. It's also a narration that

1074
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.920
feels out of place in the episode.

1075
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.880
Yes, because they had to reshuffle things in the edit apparently.

1076
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:55.119
Oh my god. But to your point, yeah, sounds like

1077
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.400
he's jealous most definitely.

1078
01:04:58.440 --> 01:04:59.280
But that's not my ship.

1079
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:00.480
Oh okay.

1080
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.239
I just wanted to get it on the record because

1081
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.800
whenever Scotty kind of starts getting his senses about him,

1082
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:11.119
Kirkus like, ah, great, the status quo, my boyfriend, that's

1083
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:17.239
not my ship this week. No, possibly my favorite bit

1084
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.440
a world building for the entire year of Trak Wars

1085
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.280
episodes that we've been doing. Yeah, I'll need to make

1086
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.039
a note of it, and I'm going to give this

1087
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:32.000
character the honorary Badge of Courage from Track Wars, from

1088
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:38.440
Star Wars, the Clone Wars Jbo and Taketo, Oh his

1089
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:45.719
friend that got you're not listening to me. George Lucas,

1090
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.760
the visionary architect behind Star.

1091
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.920
Wars the Most Star Wars.

1092
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.920
The Star Wars from the Adventures of Luke star Killer himself.

1093
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.800
My childhood that people are trying to ruin.

1094
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.800
In this episode that Dave Filoni and team definitely had

1095
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.400
creative control over and weren't just trying to be yes

1096
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.519
men this week.

1097
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.920
Teqito, I mean his name is teqita To. His name

1098
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:23.719
is Teqito.

1099
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:29.039
That's canonical. That's survived the Disney purchase. That's not legends,

1100
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:33.400
that's canonical. From the mouth of the Bearded One himself,

1101
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:41.400
Taketo Tekeno, Teqto that Arodian. I believe he was a Rodian,

1102
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.760
And I mean Jabo said that Teketo died on an

1103
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.800
evading drawl, which backwards is Lord.

1104
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:54.760
That's I gotta tell you something. You know that place

1105
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.679
air One, Here's that air One, that like incredibly expensive

1106
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:01.400
grocery store in La.

1107
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:03.159
Oh.

1108
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:07.719
It's like it's called air one. People buy really expensive

1109
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.519
smoothies there and stuff. For the longest time, I was like,

1110
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.800
I guess it is it just like a Welsh word.

1111
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:19.199
And then choel goes no aspen it's nowhere spelled backward,

1112
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:24.559
So I never would have guessed the Lord, let me

1113
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.840
tell you. Sure, Let me just tell you. I don't

1114
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:29.559
know words backwards.

1115
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:34.400
Which you know, if you're bothered to do a fable

1116
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:38.679
about religion and how religion is all man made constructs,

1117
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:45.440
yeah it is, but they didn't, and instead, George Lucas

1118
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.800
invented a character whose name I don't know. If you

1119
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:49.039
picked up on this, it's quite.

1120
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:59.800
Subtle, Kenny, let me push back. Luke is a very

1121
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.599
like New Testament Biblical name.

1122
01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:04.880
Okay, asmen, his name is Taketo.

1123
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:08.000
But there are people named that.

1124
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:10.280
There are people that are named Taketo.

1125
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.480
Maybe not. I don't know. I'm just thinking maybe.

1126
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:18.800
Nicknames, yeah, which maybe this character's nickname is Taketo.

1127
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:22.640
I don't think anybody his nickname is little Taco, but yeah, I.

1128
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:29.840
Don't know his name. Okay, much like how from the

1129
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:35.920
creator of from one of the foundational creators of Han Solo,

1130
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:41.680
so did too come? Who are your people. I'm alone.

1131
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:46.439
What is your food of choice? Tea?

1132
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.319
George is there in the writer's room trying to think

1133
01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:53.399
of a thing, and he just like books around the

1134
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:54.479
crafty comes along.

1135
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:58.439
Yeah, he's like, well, we're gonna.

1136
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:01.560
Name him a new name, and just we're gonna name

1137
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:02.760
him peat Pop.

1138
01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:08.800
He's like Potato Trip. It's like, oh, not potato Trip,

1139
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:12.399
off Toketo, which I just.

1140
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:18.199
Aspen. If we do ever get the joy and delight

1141
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:22.479
of ever talking with Dave Pilownie, make sure that we

1142
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.840
don't leave until we ask him about Teketo.

1143
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.920
And his brother. What about his brother?

1144
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:31.359
His brother's name is Taketo.

1145
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.960
Oh, that's that's what it actually is. That's the real Teketo.

1146
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:39.159
Unfortunately that we only picked things from Star.

1147
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.159
Wars, well, I almost picked Kirk and Scott.

1148
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:46.119
Okay, that's fine, as long as we've got some mention

1149
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.000
of a reference. Yeah, I'm into it. I'm into it,

1150
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:53.000
but no, we what what?

1151
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.119
What his name's Taketo? George Lucas made all this stuff up.

1152
01:09:57.319 --> 01:09:59.960
I don't know, not get off when trying to make

1153
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.000
Kim like the grand visionary and Star Wars should have

1154
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.600
you know, it's the sacred text you know they're woke

1155
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:10.680
offying my Star Wars. Give it up. His character's name is.

1156
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.840
You don't have to, I'm sure. I put my back.

1157
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:17.880
Oh there she is.

1158
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.560
Okay, you like yours Soka?

1159
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.279
I love Mysoka. Thank you for my Ahsokah, yeah, you don't.

1160
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:25.560
If I convince me, he's just a little dumb dumb

1161
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:27.279
eating taketos, I got you.

1162
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.359
But every week I do have to convince you about

1163
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.119
the central conceit of this podcast.

1164
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:37.079
Oh why must we we must? We must, we must?

1165
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:38.600
Oh my god.

1166
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:41.720
Art is a binarys either exist in the good paradigm

1167
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.600
or the bad paradigm, So too does this podcast as

1168
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.159
we try and figure out which one is better Star

1169
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.319
Trek or Star Wars. I'm ranking both of these episodes

1170
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:53.640
on a zero to ten scale. Again, the episodes are

1171
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.000
from Star Trek the Original series, Season three, The Lights

1172
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.800
of Zatar Versus Star Wars, The Clone Wars Season one,

1173
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:04.039
Mystery of one thousand, one thousand Moons. You go first,

1174
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:06.479
I will. I'm going to get Whites of Statar. I

1175
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:08.760
think I talked myself down. I'm going to give it

1176
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:09.560
a five point five.

1177
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:13.039
You talked to me down to Oh and by that,

1178
01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.880
I mean, oh my god, And by that I mean

1179
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.439
I don't have any agency over my own likes and

1180
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:26.840
you're the one who made me drop my uh affinity

1181
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.680
for the episode because I don't true, I don't. I

1182
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.800
can't make up my own decisions.

1183
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:32.319
As a man.

1184
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.199
Yep, a man.

1185
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.399
So what's the number?

1186
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:41.720
Oh? Sorry, I thought you were going to go into why,

1187
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.920
but I guess we went into why pretty much.

1188
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:48.720
Oh yeah, don't usually explain this stuff. It's a good episode,

1189
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:50.880
but now that we've talked about it, five point five

1190
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:52.680
is what I'm feeling, and so I'm sticking to it.

1191
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:57.720
Oh man, that sounds right. What did I give last week?

1192
01:11:58.199 --> 01:11:59.479
I give it like a four point five?

1193
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Right, you get a four.

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I get a four because I got upset about the

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DC Fontana stuff and dropped it even further. Oh, I

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01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.760
got upset about the brack the brown face. Ah, give

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it terrible. I'll get a five because I was. I

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started out being like pretty good and now I just

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01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:20.680
feel really upset about it. I feel sad about it,

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01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:22.399
and I don't want it to make me feel sad.

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You want things to make you feel good.

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01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.279
Yeah, I needed to always be good and have happy endings.

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01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.319
We shouldn't pitch to lucasfilm. Why don't you just make

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01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:32.920
good things?

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Why don't you make good things? Why don't you?

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And they'll be like, well, yeah, we got the Mandalorian

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and we canceled the Acolyte, And I'm like, brother, you

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01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:44.920
did it backwards, brother.

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01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:51.239
Step been making me sad again. Let's do let's do

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the Star Wars.

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01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.039
Yeah, yeah, here we go. That brings the collector total

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of the Lights of Zatar to five point two five,

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which is the highest scare that Star Trek has had

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in three weeks.

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Oh no, but.

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We hop over to a Mystery of a thousand Moons

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and I think I'm going to give it a five

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01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:12.119
point nine, just a sheet under six because six is

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like a pretty good episode, and this was a pretty

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01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:18.319
good episode. But in talking with you and just talking

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01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:21.479
about the episode, there are a lot of missed opportunities

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for thematic explorations that are within the text of the episode.

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But the episode would rather just have fun adventures, and

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01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:34.239
that again that's also fine, but the fun adventures are

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01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:40.319
raising too many questions just in terms of world building,

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in terms of things.

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Yeah, I a piece to me is like, well, surely

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you must rank this one higher than Blue Shadow Virus.

1229
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.319
But I didn't dislike Blue Shadow Virus. I think I

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01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:00.000
gave it a six point five.

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01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:02.720
Six point three. I can't believe that I gave Blue

1232
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.039
Shadow Virus three point five. That's way too high.

1233
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:06.439
Shut up.

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01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.439
I want to give it a three now, but I

1235
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:11.359
can't because the spreadsheet be edited.

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Give it a six point three. I don't know. At

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01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.560
least Blue Shadow Virus was exactly what it was, whereas this,

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01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:24.520
there's sometimes the sadness of the potential, you know, so

1239
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I'll give a six point.

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01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:28.960
One six point one. Truly, the commonality with both of

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01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:32.000
these episodes that there was a lot of missed opportunities.

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01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:36.560
But yeah, it doesn't matter because Star Wars clearly came

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out the victor. Because Star Wars is good, Star Trek

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01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:42.199
is bad. This week with Mystery of a Thousand Moons

1245
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.039
with a robust six versus's The Lights of Satar, and

1246
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:49.119
it's paltry five point two five, which means aspen as

1247
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:51.760
per usual, recently, Star Wars wants.

1248
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:59.880
The way, thank you so much. I want to thank Droll.

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01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.199
I want to think the ghosts of Drawl. I want

1250
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:08.159
to think children that show up out of nowhere.

1251
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:12.520
And I want to thank Ta Keto, recipient of the

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01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:17.079
Rarefied Trek Wars Honorary, your courage, thank you for your

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01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:17.960
service to Keto.

1254
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:22.960
Yep, yeah, sounds about it sounds about right, we did it?

1255
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:25.039
What else sounds about right?

1256
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:29.039
Our listeners.

1257
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:31.600
Certainly did I do it? Where?

1258
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:36.319
Where and anywhere you want to listen? Are people listening

1259
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:37.720
right now? Thank you?

1260
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:39.640
I would hope that they are listening right now.

1261
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.560
We could just get into your brains like the lights

1262
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:46.920
of cet are and take you over, and all you

1263
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.680
listen to all day long is us talking about Star

1264
01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:52.039
Wars and Star Trek. Can you imagine how horrible that

1265
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:52.359
would be?

1266
01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:55.359
Well, you can ask our patrons who do exactly that

1267
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:58.239
pleasure you're driving to our five dollars a month here

1268
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.640
they get extended versus of these episodes and early versions

1269
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:05.199
of these episodes, or at one dollar a month, you

1270
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:07.560
can just support us and we'll just say your name

1271
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:10.800
on the air. We got fifty slots open. Why is

1272
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.479
no one taking advantage of that yet? What a steal?

1273
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:17.880
Steal? What a steal? Also? Wait, you should do that?

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01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.199
That's paid? That's what is it? Patreon slash Trek wars Pod.

1275
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.560
Whatever, Patreon, dot com, slash Trek wars Pod and if

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01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:28.000
you could join the auspices of Fine Folks and shows

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Timbo to so is, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller, Arizona, Mark

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1279
01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:40.399
Jailty, partner who wrote the I Starship It song. Yeah,

1280
01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:43.199
you really shouldn't include me in these final pieces. I

1281
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:46.039
don't know the script I was gonna say, because I

1282
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:47.680
don't know if we said this in a while. You

1283
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:49.600
should leave us a review if you.

1284
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:51.319
Want to give us a review.

1285
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:53.159
I was thinking about that, because no.

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Leave us a review. It's not an if you want thing.

1287
01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:01.000
If you're gonna listen, let us know if you want. No, no, no,

1288
01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:03.840
I don't know. I think it's time for some hard love.

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Okay, leave us a review, anyone. I guess you could

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also watch video?

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You can.

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I shouldn't say anything. I should leave it to you.

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Where can you watch the video?

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What? What am I doings a YouTube dot com slash

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We still got two more things.

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This is the part of it where I stop listening.

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Okay, great. You can send us an email at gmail

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