Jan. 17, 2025

Turnabout Intruder vs. Cargo of Doom

Turnabout Intruder vs. Cargo of Doom

This week, Ahsoka gets a new outfit! 

Also, I guess we finished Star Trek: The Original Series or whatever.

Kenny and Aspen talk about Clone Wars being informed by characterization established by  *checks notes * yup, the prequels, they did...

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Season 1

This week, Ahsoka gets a new outfit!

Also, I guess we finished Star Trek: The Original Series or whatever.

Kenny and Aspen talk about Clone Wars being informed by characterization established by *checks notes * yup, the prequels, they did something right.

We also dive into Star Trek as military propaganda, the function of propaganda, and just how stupid everyone acts in Turnabout Intruder. And talk about Dr. Janice Lester and her "hysteria."
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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the ultimate question and fandom, which is

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better Star Wars are Star Trek by going through both

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franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison, the

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Star Trek contingent with me as per always as the

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co host with the mo host.

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It's me asking Webster, I cover the I got Star Wars.

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I cover the Star Wars Beat. I'm here every every day, baby,

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taking the info.

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Taking the info, making making those little tick boxes right

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on the side of your wall, and aspen, if you

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could just check the tick boxes over there, if you

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could see how many what what tick box?

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Oh you know what, Kenny, I've been taking those while

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covering this New York Star Wars Beat has been such

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a time for me. Looks like we are at one hundred.

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I am not, actually, I mean like Beat reporters, one

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hundred episodes of the Trek Wars podcast, and boy, oh boy,

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I am absolutely thrilled that I've had at least one

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hundred opportunities to talk with one of my best friends

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in the whole wide world.

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As been about my favorite things of the world, Some

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of my favorite things of the world, not like Puppies,

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Star Trek, Star Wars freaking lovees so much as been

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have you? How do you feel? How do you feel?

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How do you feel? One hundred episodes our track in

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Star Wars?

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How do I feel? I feel.

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All right?

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Well, for one, we talked about this on our Patreon,

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and I feel like I need to talk about this

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on the main feed real quick. Does people know because

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there's two ways I feel right now?

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No, No, this is more important than literally, let's talk

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about one hundred episodes of Star Trek and Star Wars. Literally,

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whatever else you have to say, I'm going to feel

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so anti climactic. Okay, one hundred episodes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There is nothing, no background that you could add, nothing

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that could be nearly as important as celebrating one one

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hundred episodes content.

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You're fucking right, man, you just me. I'm back, I'm

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to New York reported. There's nothing better than one hundred episodes.

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It is actually really cool, it's very impressive. Look at us.

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We know this for so long and it is really

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nice and it's really Actually my first feeling was I

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was just like, gosh, and we only know I just

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finished turns.

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That's actually my first.

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Thought, that's like, holy shit. But I mean we did

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a lot of other little stuff and we had to

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get through the movies and you know you so the

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other thing. Just so people know, I am a little

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low energy, And it's not because I don't love Kenny

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with my whole chest and because I not because I

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don't love Star Wars and Star Trek. It's just because

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they just got back from evacuating the Los Angeles fires yesterday.

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So I'm just like a little tired.

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And now that you say that, all that pre amble

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sounds really presumptuous on my.

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Oh, you know what, You're fine, You're fine kidding.

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We were as like poetry, so if they rhy, we

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were up.

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We're upsete. Yeah. Yeah, so we apologize for our absence,

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uh for holidays and Kenny moving into a new house

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and then me having to leave the state of a state.

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Now I didn't leave the state. I left the city

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of Los Angele.

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Yes, you're you're planted.

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Yeah, this that I'm in a Los Angeles state of

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mind always, even if I'm not in the city. One

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of my favorite billy classic class did you see that

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there's like someone I don't know if they tweeted it

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or something, so I was like, oh, I got into

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the back of the an uber and there was this

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music that they were playing and it sounded kind of

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like old and it sounded so like intimidating or something

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like anxiety provoking. And they're like, I just did not

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feel safe and that uber and it turned out the

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song was Uptown Girl. Everyone. I was just like, are

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you are the youths? Okay? No, I'm like, I don't

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think Billy Joel is by any means intimidating.

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They are not. We have handed them a world on fire.

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That's true.

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Okay.

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They want to be anxious about Billy Joel.

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Okay, I'm I'm also anxious about the world, but I'm

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not anxious about Billy Joel. All of it for me

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Anxious, which is more more anxiety inducing for you, the

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world or the circumstances that you are just now finding

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a sense of normalcy, and.

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I think they're connected.

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Yeah, you're right. Sorry, I'm such a dunce.

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I'm safe, We're okay. Everything's what it's gonna be. Not

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to be that guy, but yay firefighters, not to be

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that guy. But thank you for saving my life.

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Firefighters, I will say, look, the American flag is a

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weird symbol of hate at this moment in time. Uh.

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And there are the American flags that are black and

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white except for a blue stride that lets me know

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that I should steer away from those people in traffic.

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Then there are the black and white flags that have

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a rest for firefighters. And I'm like, yeah, that's fine. Yeah,

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there's just a blanket service that everyone could be supportive of.

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It's that one, and it's that one. Am, yes, and

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ems as well? Do they have a stripe? We're getting

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to the type of stry.

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But you're absolutely right, I see dam Like, thank you, great.

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Job, I think you. Oh God, except for I guess

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the California legislature which was putting more funding to comps

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and it did it less funny to firefighters.

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It's not true. They didn't. They didn't cut the funding

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for firefighters.

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Excellent. I fallen for headlines.

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I know.

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I'm so sorry.

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No, it's okay. Actually I did too. And then I

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there was like it was like, there's actually a whole

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if you want to look it up, there's a whole

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website on all the misinformation about it. Because people love,

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people love to like spread stuff, and what I just

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want to make sure we're not doing is becoming the

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Fox News of like.

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You know, yeah, I'll probably cut that out of the

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main feed episode.

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No, I think it's important, like actually.

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The main episode because why even well, because we.

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like a like a background. If I am at all

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sleepy sounding, I am deeply excited for this, and I

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thank you for your patients for this moment.

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Speaking of deeply excited, and not only are we celebrating

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an important milestone in the development of a podcast, where

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I guess most podcasts go to three episodes, we have

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gone to one hundred. Not only that, but we are

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coming to an end of another piece. That's right. We

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are finishing Star Trek the original series, episode seventy nine,

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final episode of season three, turnabout Intruder Versus Star Wars

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of the con Wars season two episode two, Cargo of Doom,

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and I, for one, I won't speak for my co host,

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buy am excited.

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To be done with the original series.

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That too, but also just to do another episode of

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Track Wars.

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Oh, that's really nice. By the way, I'm not like

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hating on TOS. I think there is a touch of

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Sounds like they're hating on TOS.

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So I was like, I'm a hyder. I mean, you know,

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every time we finished something, like you know, whether it

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was like ewoks or droids or something, there's like a

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feeling of ooh, onto the next stage of the thing.

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So it is very cool to feel like we've hit that.

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Well. Speaking of being onto the next stage, so too,

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are we on to the next stage of our episode,

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which is correspondence. We have some pieces of correspondence from

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patrons and listeners alike. Cute, very cute from patron Baban

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Cactus on our all Our Yesterdays versus holocron Heist Patreon

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episode from balbab Cactus shout out to the look of

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delight and wonder on Kirk's face as he looks at

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the old timy people on the disc. It was so cute.

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For that comment, I gave a heart and that hard

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is from us while we're recording this.

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It's very sweet.

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Uh any comments as uh No, I love that.

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I am always into facial expressions. Why is that my

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heart working?

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I don't. I mean a larger question. Is that just

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Patreon related?

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No, I made it happen on the screen. I made

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the hearts happen.

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Sorry, I was looking at the next piece of correspondence.

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Oh oh, only people watching me will have seen my hearts.

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Certainly, uh, which you can find at YouTube dot com

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slash at trek Wars pod. Our next piece of correspondence

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goes to the trek Wars pod at gmail dot com

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email account, and the subject line is all our Yesterday

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slash holocron Heist from Uh Nick you ROUTI interesting? Do

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you know who that is?

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Nick? Uti? Hi Kenny and asmen bow bab Cactus here Nick. Hello, Nick,

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it's wonderful to new.

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Ear give me any giving them away? Great.

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In your episode on all Our Yesterday's in Holocron Heist,

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you briefly pondered whether joecast Knew or mister Atos was

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the better library. I think we both landed on Jocastau.

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I'm currently working on a Master of Librarian Information Science

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degree and I wanted to weigh in on this based

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on her scene in Attack of the Clones, which Nick

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quite rightly abbreviated into AotC.

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Should you tell you something. I'm so sorry to interrupt this.

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Every time I see AotC, I think AOC and I

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just think of yep. Anyway, go on, please please start again.

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Based on her scene in AotC, Joe casta new is

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an awful librarian.

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I mean it's true.

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Telling me a library user that the information there after

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doesn't exist after their first search was unsuccessful parenthetical not

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to mention, then turning and leaving without a word, and

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theathetical It's disgraceful behavior for an information professional. For all

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she knew, Camino might have been in a different location

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or listed in the archives under a different name, or

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might have been indirectly referenced in materials on cloning users

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of saber darts, et cetera, and any competent librarian would

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have prompted Obi Wan to share that information and then

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helped him search. We don't see her doing any actual

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librarian work in this Clone Wars episode, but I think

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mister Ataz when's hands down, thanks for the work you

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do making this podcast happen. I started rewatching Clone Wars

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to follow along with this show, and the first season

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was so much more thoughtful and well done than I

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remember it being Thanks for inspiring me to give those

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episodes another shot.

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That's so nice.

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That's so nice, and now I believe both myself and asked,

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but definitely agree with you, mister Ataz. When's handily, isn't

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that right? Asmen? No from shaking your head VML for

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people that are only listening. If you're watching, you can

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definitely also see that aspens shaking their head v no.

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You know what I am doing. I like, I think

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it's just like a side of my state of mind,

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but I like, I was like, am I crying? I

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love librarians. Thank you so much. It was so nice.

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It's so nice that you're gonna be a good library.

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It'd be so much better library than both of them.

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You should be the better by librarian name.

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That's true. And please correct us on the pronunciation of

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your last name. We welcome all corrections from anyone. Well

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for now, uh okay that territory later on?

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Fine. Nice.

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Thank you for those pieces of correspondence, and again we

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every one of our listeners except for one of you.

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You know who you are.

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Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm okay. Now, I'm okay.

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Oh dang it, I forgot Aspen. I wanted to do

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a bit for the beginning in the show, okay, because

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it would have been really funny because this is a

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body swap episode or episode the star Trek tos and

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so you should have opened up the episode instead.

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Oops, Welcome to the Trek Worse. You've said it a

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hundred times and I'm still like, what do you say?

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I don't know if we had actually, if we had

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done it, I would have been like, oh no, I

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have to like, can you read it to me? Let

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me write it down so I can read it.

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Yeah, which is wild because I just always do it

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off of the dome. I know, off the dome. I believe.

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The next segment of our show is catching people up

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in case they haven't watched the episodes along with us,

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by giving them a brief synopsis and again the episodes

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are Turnabout Intruder versus Cargo of Doom, and I will

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start with my synopsis for the week. Turnabout Intruder first

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aired June third, nineteen sixty nine, one month before the

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Moon Landing when director I was gonna wait for the song.

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In nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy but one You're.

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Soon director Herb Wallenstein and writer Teleplay by Arthur H.

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Singer story Bye, Gene Roddenberry, I know right, Oh, you

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can tell yeah? From an NBC press release issued this

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campy Right February twenty sixth, nineteen sixty nine. What well

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into it? A scorned woman reads a strange vengeance on

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Captain Kirk when she manages an exchange of bodies with

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him and takes command of the enterprise and turn About

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Intruder on NBCT Television Networks Star Trek color cast of Friday,

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March twenty eighth, original scheduled air date. Doctor Janis Lester

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easily convinces the crew and officers that Captain Kirk and

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the guys of Old Woman is insane. Doctor Lester resents

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the apparent dominant positions males occupy in the world of

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the future as Captain Kirk, she attempts to murder the

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captain's life entity she now controls. I guess.

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Thin, Yes, we'll get into it. It was funny. I

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actually had to because I watched these a while ago

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thinking that we were going to do them, and then

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brings burst into flint, so I had to, like sort

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of but I watched them and I wrote notes, and

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so then earlier today he was like, I'm going to

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kind of put them on the background just to make

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sure that it like I'm thinking about them, and write

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down any notes maybe I missed, and I wrote down

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the exact same note I had written during my like

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first viewing without realizing it, which was is she hysterical

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because she's literally insane or she hysterical because she's a woman?

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Would Gene Rottenberry could be both?

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Probably is both? Actually yeah, oh my god, hated it

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just as much the second time.

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You do love to hear it?

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Do you hear you love to hear it?

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My hand, I love to hear it.

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I don't have a lot of I can't tell if

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I have like you, I can't tell what my like

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level of I don't know, like holding back will be

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in my weird little state of things.

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It's a hundred episode. You've survived a national catastrophe.

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I've got an ear infection.

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That truly uh for people that are only listening Aspen

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is currently rocking one.

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Ear, I've lost a whole ass ear.

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Sorry, I'm in that'son. You're rocking one your phone.

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It started to get warm and at hurt. Sure it's

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a little baby, just a little baby. It's like my

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over ear ones too, So I was like, I don't

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want to point her anything in my ears at care.

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So thank you. I think I look pretty cool?

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You do think.

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Cargo of Doom start was going with Cargo of Doom

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Really stalked over second two thousand and nine, tbeg Let's

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see It was directed by Rob Coleman and written specifically

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by George Christick. I'm just a cool named te christs Okay,

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written by the tv R hell just on IMDb. Baane

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commanding a separatist fleet has captured Rudy and Jedi Master

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Bola Ropaul, keeper of the Kiber Crystal. The crystal holds

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the names of every known for sensitive child in the galaxy.

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Oh that's the Kiber crystal.

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That's like Kyber crystals are what you use to create

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a lightsaber. But in this case, the crystal has this information.

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Interesting, this is the first canonical instance of Kiber crystal

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holding information. Well, it's just seeing a Kyber crystal, period,

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except we have seen a Kiber crystal in the two

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D Clone Wars, but now it's not canonical.

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It's really funny reading this. I'm like, that was that

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the case? I guess.

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I guess so, But also I didn't. I didn't recall

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them saying Kiro within the dialog. Yeah right, It's just

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I would have written it down and circled it.

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Yeah, I am now like, because obviously this is like

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to unlock this information, Baine needs a Jedi to combine

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the crystal with a holocron. Of course, is the whull

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ground that he just stole and only Jedi can open it.

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So yeah, there is a crystal though, Yeah, I don't

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know if it specifies as Kyri crystal. We should clarify that.

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Sound like that's the only type of crystal that exists.

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It is, that's an entire galaxy one type build long crystal.

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It would be very Jedi of them to use it

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for that purpose. That like our special crystals. When Anakin

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and Ahsoka arrived to intercept him. The crafty bounty hunter

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plants to manipulate one of them into doing just that.

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He does spoilers it does. He totally totally manipulates Anakin. Yeah,

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and you know what, that's fine.

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I have a fascinating piece of trivia from IMDb. Yes, wow,

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this is interesting. Oh yes, ses yeah, nine people found

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this piece of trivia helpful. Anakin yells it's a trap

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when a soca runs after pain, clearly referring to the

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famous called by Admiral Akpar.

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God damn it, Oh my god, there's like so many

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of them listen here at all looking at the trivia,

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Ahsca calls Cadbane a sliam oh, which is hot to

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use for slime ball.

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Yeah that that Yeah, sure, that's pretty cool.

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But the next one is one of the Clone Troopers

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banks his head against a pipe in homage the Stormtrooper

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in Star Wars episode four, a new hope who banged

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his head against his tour against idea.

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This guy happened until, like someone else pointed it out

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to me. That's how far that trouper happens in the background.

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So ridiculous. This is the first time in the show

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where I was seen without her usual outfit, and this

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outfit is so cool.

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He described the outfit for people that are playing the

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home edition of this game.

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She's wearing like a full like leotard esque suit, but

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it's like long sleeved and long long pants as well.

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And I'm not quite sure what the texture is supposed

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to be, but the weight is animated makes it look

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like it is red velvet. It looks so good. And

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it's also not a toooptop, which she seems to love

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her tooped up and that is okay. But I'm like, man,

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this ship is good.

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All this it.

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Was very cool. Good episode, good app good app real

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good app A horrifying app actually speaking of terrifying, like

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like torture to the point of death. Sometimes you're like, wow,

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it's a good show. They literally tortured this guy and

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he died. He literally died, and then when they find

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him later, he's just on the floor with this little

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tongue out. I'm like, that's that's horrifying.

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You're talking about Jedi Bolo repol.

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Why would you do that? Anyway, it's a it's good app.

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I guess we should do our initial impressions instead of

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just me being like that's good.

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At good, I mean that is an initial impression good.

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I guess I could formally introduce the segment by saying,

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here's the part of the show where we start our

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first impressions, as what's your first impression of Cargo Doom?

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Is that what you're gonna do? Are you gonna are

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you gonna do that? You're gonna officially do it?

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Yeah, let me officially do it. This is the part

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of the show whenever we do our first impressions aspen,

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what are your first impressions about Cargo of Doom? Get

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up excellent. I also thought that it's a good episode

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as well.

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Uh, I mean it's like legitimately like as I was

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rewatching as I was rewatching the Star Trek app you know,

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sometimes we're get we have like thematically interesting stuff that

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we know we're gonna hit, you know, we're like, well,

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we're really gonna have a conversation about this, And sometimes

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Clone Wars does tend toward this is.

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Very action heavy. Are there like real themes you want

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to get into? And I was like, I think there's

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mostly a lot of there's a lot of mostly like

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this really cool action episode, but I think it's also

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just a wonderfully beautifully crafted episode. There are there is

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an amazing set piece we were just talking and the

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Patreon episode about Alien Romulus, which I watched.

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I watched it. I have not asked you about it

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so many times. All Right, it's just good to keep

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tabs on what you've luxuriated and watching over the past

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chill four weeks for you.

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I watched that, I watched that movie. I watched that movie,

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and then I watched this episode and I was like,

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wait a second, because they both have zero gravity fight scenes.

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Zero gravity fight scene and this one is in Clone

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Wars is so cool, Like it's just so fun, Like

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I love it. There's so much. At one point there's

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just it's just like droids but just like have been

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blown in half and like the top half of them

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is just like slowly interesting. It's for a lot of

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fun stuff. So it's a very interesting episode. There's some

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good character pieces too. I think it's always helpful and

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interesting to see, like when is Anakin gonna make the

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choice for someone he loves versus maybe what's the greater

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good choice?

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Oh my gosh. The ending of this episode is dynamite

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and what a wonderful character motivated reasoning that truly does

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depend on what you know about the characters so far,

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and is connecting with the movies, connecting with the rest

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of the show in a way because the episodes have

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been I mean, there's specific arcs, notwithstanding pretty darn isolated

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within themselves. And now I feel like we're starting to

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see some payoff in some longer term characterization.

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And I.

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With Anakin going I can't let you die Ahsoka yep,

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and the African campaign gets away with the holocron of

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the crystal.

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He's straight up plays them like a fiddle. Yeah, and

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he's right, like he's super right. Like what's so interesting

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about this episode is that actually starts with some very

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Anakin esque uh like strategy, which is basically, do the

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thing no one would have expected, which is very cool

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and fascinating. Like, yes, they bored the frigate, which is like,

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they're not prepped for that type of action.

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Well, not only do they board the frigate, they bored

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the frigate in the coolest way they possible. And I

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believe it's a reference. I believe Folonia talked about wanting

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to do a set piece like this earlier in season one,

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but they just couldn't afford it because they're literally building

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all these assets in scratch. But now because it's season two,

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we can afford to build some attes or as they're

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called in Cannon eight eighties.

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Yes, yes they have some atats, the smaller guys that

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are not meant for this, and they how do they

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I literally just watch this again, but like they are

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able to use them to get onto the frigate, onto

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the separatist frigate where cad Bane is what is it?

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Through magnetization? How do they do it? They do? But yeah, yeah,

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they're meant for like they're meant for terrain, they're not

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meant for space, and they literally use them to board

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this ship.

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Yeah, and it's it's.

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Pretty fantastic because it actually is from a character perspective,

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you have you know, Anakin, Anakin Skywalker. What a guy?

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What a guy?

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Am I?

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Right? Like?

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What?

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In the same way that they have they've done a

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lot of other very clever, clever moves, like this is

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a truly clever move. It's completely unexpected and it so

475
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.839
kind of starts with the idea in this concept and

476
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:05.440
it kind of just keeps it going from there, which

477
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.160
is like, really, it's really I think it makes for

478
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:10.440
I think, you know, set piece said in a good way,

479
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.359
not just for the aesthetics of the thing, but for

480
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.880
like genuine enjoyment from these spaces of like learning more

481
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.079
about them and also understanding them as people.

482
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.799
I remember because I was watching this episode with Heidi,

483
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.920
my partner just cute and the Clones were doing their

484
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.400
clony stuff, and at one point Heidi went, oh, I

485
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.559
get being invested in this show wild way. It's a

486
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.319
wild way that she said it now that I'm saying

487
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.519
it out loud, but was able to be like, uh,

488
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:45.839
just had a moment of being like, I see what

489
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:50.279
aspen seeds in this for a flash and that was

490
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:50.839
really great.

491
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.440
That makes me feel really seen. It makes me I'm

492
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:02.839
gonna cry again. Good to cry about librarians, to cry

493
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.599
about being seen. It's been a long week.

494
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.559
What about puppies where like their heads just a little

495
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.119
bit too big, and so they're there, but they're really

496
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.519
excited to be alive, so they're flopping around and their

497
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.880
heads just a little bit too bad. Stop oh stop,

498
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.799
And they got those big paws that their body has

499
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:27.200
grown into yet Oh.

500
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.440
I love that.

501
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.359
I was not crying. You're just enjoying that thought.

502
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.119
I was just thinking about Sorry, I'm well, yeah, it's

503
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:40.000
just left over tears from from the from the sweetest

504
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.680
of the sweetest thing anyone could ever say. I can

505
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.519
see how Aspen, Why Aspen would love Star Wars the

506
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:46.519
clone Wars?

507
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:48.359
Wait?

508
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.079
Why did she say that? Tell me more? Like, what

509
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:50.799
was it about it?

510
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.599
It was something I don't recall the specific instance because

511
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.759
I didn't write it down on my notes. Ah, I

512
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.839
just recall it being specifically regarding clones. It was just

513
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.079
something about the movement of the darn thing.

514
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.359
The movement of the darn thing.

515
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.559
I don't recall specific but it was just something in

516
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.480
the air that Heidi was just like, I get.

517
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.799
It, something in the air. I mean there is like

518
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:24.640
especially I'll tell you, especially as the seasons go on,

519
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:28.720
I think you do hit a real good vibe, like

520
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.240
a really good sort of flow. And the better and

521
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.279
better the animation gets, the more that they can invest

522
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.759
in stuff, the more you're in it. Because it's true,

523
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:39.799
like you bring up a good point. Maybe this isn't

524
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:40.960
the point you were bringing up, but it's kind of

525
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.319
how we took it, which is like we know who

526
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:47.319
Anakin Skywalker is, Like we you know, this is between films,

527
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.039
and yet the Anakin of Clone Wars gets to be

528
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:56.039
something extremely unique, Like he gets to be far more complex.

529
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.880
Then we get to see him in these other space

530
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:05.519
is he gets to be extremely heroic and also like

531
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.319
he gets to be someone that we like respect like tremendously,

532
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.119
and then at other times we like we're reminded that

533
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.559
he's so young. You know, I think there's a lot

534
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.480
inside of it, and I really do think that, Like

535
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.440
it's such a gift to have Ahsoka as a character

536
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.599
because you can just see how you can maybe like

537
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.200
handwave it and be like, well, he'll sacrifice this, like

538
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:35.119
he'll open he'll fall for kad Baine's trick. He takes

539
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.200
he takes Ahsoka hostage and basically he's like, I'm an

540
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.880
air locker unless you do this thing for me, and

541
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.160
he chooses her, and you could kind of handwave and

542
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.519
be like but it's because he figures they'll they'll get

543
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.480
it and they'll figure it out, right, Like he's like

544
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.400
so cocky and it's like maybe and also he loves

545
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.880
her and he would literally if when it came down

546
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.799
to it sacrifice a whole bunch of more sensitive kids

547
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.640
over her, And is that a good thing? Maybe not,

548
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.039
But I don't think it's about that. It's about it's

549
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.640
about him as a character. And also maybe like what

550
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.799
you would do too, Like what would I do in

551
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:16.000
that situation? Probably the same thing, you know, I'd be like,

552
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:16.680
we'll figure it out.

553
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.119
Yeah. If being in therapy this long has taught me

554
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.400
anything is that I'm very avoided of conflict, so I'd

555
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.960
probably put it off as much as possible and then

556
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.039
at the last minute be forced into a corner and

557
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.519
then someone's gonna die.

558
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.920
You're like, and you know what, I don't want you

559
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.920
to be mad at me, so I'm not gonna let

560
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.519
you die and be.

561
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:43.680
A well can I can I die?

562
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.359
Like? What if we do it this way?

563
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:49.720
Yeah?

564
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.880
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, But.

565
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:59.920
Hahaha, you're wrong, Okay, I'll.

566
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:06.839
Move on to my next point. No good app uh

567
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.319
this this notion. I believe Floni's talked about this just

568
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.279
in the development of clon Wars, and if not, then

569
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:16.519
I'm attributing it to you where it's it's that and

570
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.720
again in the prequels, versus Anakin and the Clone Wars.

571
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.440
Anagain in the prequels is a sign post where constantly

572
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.599
you're like, you're gonna be Darth Vader. One thing, Oh,

573
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.400
gonna be Darth Vader. His entire character within the three

574
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.720
prequels is he is going to be Darth Vader. Here's

575
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.839
a sign, here's a sign, here's a sign. Ar. But

576
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.559
then in the Clone Wars he gets to be a character, yeah,

577
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:46.640
with foibles and successes, and suddenly that line where and

578
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.200
he was a good friend in Star Wars the motion

579
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.119
picture makes a lot more sense because you've actually seen

580
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.359
some good qualities of Anakin Skywalker, because there are scenes

581
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.799
where he functions with human faculties.

582
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.680
It's like a.

583
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:09.319
Cry, here we go. I'm playing the Track Wars drinking game.

584
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:10.160
Please take a shot.

585
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.160
It's really nice.

586
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.559
Because if there's gonna be if there's gonna be a

587
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:17.720
Track Wars drinking game.

588
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.640
You were drink why absence?

589
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.759
It's the Track Wars drinking game. Absent. I should have

590
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.960
known you're going to drink a pint of absence every time?

591
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.279
Yeah, and make it the real stuff.

592
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:38.079
Drink fulp the Track Wars drinking game. Drink a pint

593
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.400
of absent every time asking cry. So by this point

594
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:44.039
in the episode, you should have drank three pints of absent.

595
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.599
You're seeing things, man, you should have been seeing things

596
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:51.039
by now.

597
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:53.519
It's me.

598
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.319
I'm right in front of you. I'm giving you a

599
00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:02.720
kiss on your forehead. I'm right there with just like

600
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.240
Anakin was right there with Obi Wan.

601
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.559
Remember remember when Revenge of seth obi Wan says you

602
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.840
were the child one.

603
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.840
You were my brother, You were my brother.

604
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.119
And then in the Obi Wan TV show, which.

605
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:32.519
I liked, it's been a week.

606
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.599
You had an extraordinarily hard week.

607
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.599
Yes, moments like this where you're like, that's right, truly, honestly,

608
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.000
best idea to give him Ahska Ahsoka best character in

609
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:47.880
almost Star Wars.

610
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.119
You know who else has had a hard week? Doctor

611
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.119
Janis Leicester.

612
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.159
Doctor Janice Lester has not just had a hard week,

613
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:57.880
She's had a fucking hard life.

614
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:07.280
Yeah, Janie Leicester and her gentleman lover, Arthur, our gentleman lover.

615
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.719
I believe that's what his name is, Arthur.

616
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.199
This little orange jumpsuit, Yeah that's what he's wearing.

617
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.119
Right? Yeah?

618
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:22.320
Did I make that up? I? Okay, Oh what an episode?

619
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.000
What did you what did you what did you think

620
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:25.960
of this episode?

621
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:30.480
I think I'm not going to go to the mat

622
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:31.920
for this episode, but I think that there are some

623
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.559
interesting things to say about this episode. Sure, in absolutely

624
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:41.559
I think a lot if this were a smack dab

625
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.039
in the middle of season three would be like, let's

626
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.360
move on, let's move on, let's move on.

627
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.360
Interesting. That is the final episode, the original interesting.

628
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.000
Uh. It is one of the stories that Gene Roddenberry

629
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.920
actually contributed to the season, and this was one that

630
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:09.920
this might be the only screenplay that kind of the

631
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.920
the rewriter of this season Fred Freiberger's number two, Fred

632
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:14.639
Freiberger being the producer of the season.

633
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.119
I'm sorry, I thought you were going to say Fred

634
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:24.679
Freiberger's number two. Fred Freiberger too. That's right, he named

635
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:26.559
his number two himself. Part two.

636
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:40.320
Never been funny, but the Arthur Singer who rewrote every

637
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.360
single episode this season, because that's what folks did back

638
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.679
in the day and they still do you know now.

639
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.960
This was his soul or if not his sole teleplay

640
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.440
screen teleplay credit for a Star Trek then one of two.

641
00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:01.760
And so that's interesting and then just fascinating for this

642
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.199
to be the final statement of Star Trek, the original series,

643
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:11.719
and to have this bastion of liberal values have a

644
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.880
line just that says, your world of Starship Captains doesn't

645
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.119
admit women, and then foreground the experience of a woman.

646
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.800
That's what this episode is about a woman trying to

647
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.679
make it in a man's world and they're just not

648
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:36.960
built for it. Wild the contradictions of Gene Rudnberry's utopian vision.

649
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.760
And that's because the episode itself. I think what it's

650
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:47.199
good about this episode is, oh gosh, let me look

651
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:47.880
through my notes.

652
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.320
I think what's good about this episode is.

653
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.079
What is good? Okay, what is good about this episode

654
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.000
is that this is more interesting as a failure bureaucracy

655
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:03.400
versus a study in the gender stuff is boneheaded, but

656
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.440
living in our nightmare world that we currently live in,

657
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.679
and we see something that is oddly prescient and what

658
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.000
it takes for good people to stand up against true evil,

659
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:23.039
and Janie Lecter Janis Lester as Captain Kirk is able

660
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.119
to take advantage of the bureaucracy that's in place to

661
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.280
keep things safe in order to impose some wild things.

662
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:36.079
And that's pretty interesting. Sure, but you're right, you gotta

663
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.880
go look for those things.

664
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.280
I wasn't even thinking about that, and I think it

665
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.239
sort of betrays a bit of the like, yeah, the

666
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.800
bureaucracy of the thing. But also once again, as we

667
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.000
started talking about we started talking about Star Trig at

668
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:55.039
the very beginning of everything, it's still a military structure.

669
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.400
It is a naval ship. It is a literal ship

670
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:00.400
in which.

671
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.480
The ship is called the USS Navy.

672
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:15.800
Is the OOS NAVVI and and she in the body

673
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.320
of Captain Kirk getting to be Captain Kirk. To your

674
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.719
point is like, hey, this is still a militaristic, hierarchical structure,

675
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:28.559
and I can use that to my advantage. I'm not

676
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.599
saying there's like a perferred other alternative or anything, but

677
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.280
like that kind of does bring a little full circle

678
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.679
from my little qualms about that, which is super funny.

679
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.079
Like when I think about when we first started talking

680
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.280
about in the very first place, like Star Trek to us,

681
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.159
and I was like, how interesting that, you know, I

682
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.960
guess there a utopic future is mostly utopic on planet Earth.

683
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.159
It's not like it's utopic in this in the stars,

684
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.920
and this is not about that, Like we still have

685
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.840
the semblance of a structure again, I'm not gonna put

686
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:57.679
a value judgment on it exactly, but I kind of

687
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.519
am because I'm like, ew, you know, but that's like

688
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.039
all over it. All military structures are all over everything,

689
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.360
like it's all over Star Wars. In terms of rebellion,

690
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.840
I mean, like you have to have effectively a military

691
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.519
structure even within your within your rebellion, right, like you

692
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:16.199
have to captains, you have to commanders. But here we

693
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.360
are in this full circle moment of like someone gets

694
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.679
to use it to their to they're like they're ill ways.

695
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.679
In this notion. I had a conversation with a friend

696
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.559
of ours recently. I will tell I will tell you

697
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.159
who the friend is, off Mike that we were talking

698
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:38.760
about friends. This kind of our friend off Mike. That's right, Yeah,

699
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.000
what a guy. Yeah, talking about this notion of this

700
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.840
is still effectively a piece of propaganda for military structure

701
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.480
inherently because of his depiction of the military.

702
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:51.599
Uh.

703
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:56.360
And even even if it is a full throated condemnation

704
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.960
of it, just through depiction alone, there are some elements

705
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.079
propaganda and talking about this in relation to Captain Marvel,

706
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.320
in relation to top Gun Maverick, in this notion of

707
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.199
propaganda and the person that I was talking with was like, oh, yeah,

708
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.480
top Gun Maverick definitely a piece of propaganda, but Captain

709
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.360
Marvel I don't see it. I know, And I'm like,

710
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.159
but it was endorsed by the Air Force same way

711
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.719
as top Gun Maverick, to which the person said, well,

712
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.960
if that's true, then like all of anything that has

713
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.039
the military is propaganda, to which I went, yes.

714
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.320
You found it, you got to you got to it.

715
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.400
Yeah, and then having to clarify that, yeah, all this

716
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.599
stuff is propaganda. You just have to make the unfortunate

717
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.119
individual choice of how you feel about it. You can

718
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.559
be like top Gun Maverick is a piece of evil

719
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.440
that definitely boosted entrance into the Air Force, and also

720
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.960
you can still be sitting in the front row pumping

721
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.480
your fist at the same time, because two contradicting thoughts

722
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:53.480
can't exist.

723
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:57.840
Man, you really thought a really important lesson to our

724
00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:58.679
friend off.

725
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:02.719
Mike, hopefully bringing off Mike a little bit more off

726
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.840
this time. You know.

727
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.400
It's funny too, because we've talked about how the Clone

728
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.400
Wars is set up to be like, uh, military propaganda

729
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.800
by by nature as well, And I know, I don't

730
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.360
know how what the intention of it is, but I

731
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.400
do think it's interesting that, like I'm gonna use Heidi again,

732
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:31.159
your partner who coming into the show watching it, I

733
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.800
think I think maybe you too expressed this feeling very

734
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:39.239
off off put by that, put off by that, yeah,

735
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:44.159
off putting, put off by it, And I wonder if

736
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.719
that's on purpose, Like I wonder if it is actually intended,

737
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.239
or maybe if it's not intended that way, our feeling

738
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.119
that we're taking from it is to actually experience discomfort

739
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:55.599
at it being structured that way.

740
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.159
I will say the part of it that I like

741
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.920
the least is the performance.

742
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.639
I still like that guy. Well, he's in this episode

743
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:10.159
still being annoying, intruder. He was in the back, he's

744
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.920
in the background. I love that.

745
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:26.320
It's me, I'm back here, I mean, commander, that's true,

746
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.280
but I mean it's it's it's a little off topic.

747
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:30.760
But I do think it's interesting because we have talked

748
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.840
about it as being modeled after after like military like

749
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.719
World War two type propaganda stuff of like soldiers at

750
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.199
war on the front, you know. So, yeah, and what

751
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.519
does that mean to say, like within the context of

752
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.039
the Star Wars story of this war, which while they

753
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.880
haven't explored it or the Clone Wars, they haven't explored

754
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:54.559
it as deeply as they could have at this point

755
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.400
of the like, you know, it's like good on both

756
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.360
sides sort of thing that they you know, start with

757
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.880
and reveen to the seth and it's like, oh this, uh,

758
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.039
there's a heroes on both sides that like there is

759
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.880
an implication there that like this is still a propaganda's

760
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.599
type war as opposed to like a real sort of

761
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.079
you know, could there be a good and a bad

762
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:18.159
to it? So that's an interesting sort of connection point.

763
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:24.000
But yeah, Star Trek just as much military propaganda. I mean,

764
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.800
in the same way that our cop shows and our

765
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.239
murder mystery shows are technically cop propaganda, and the way

766
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:36.000
that all of all of Marvel, every Marvel film is

767
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.280
military propaganda.

768
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.679
It's just like there, Doctor Strange, military propaganda.

769
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:53.039
Probably he like opens his dumb little portal and on

770
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:59.719
the other side of it is like a marine. It's

771
00:44:59.760 --> 00:44:59.960
just like.

772
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.800
I forgot that the logo for the Sanctum saying Torum

773
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:07.400
is the Lockheed Martin logo.

774
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:20.199
Yeah, how could you forget? Listen in our alligarchical world.

775
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.760
But all I'm gonna Cry Again.

776
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.800
Five five pints five pints of Absence with a track

777
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:29.159
Wars D.

778
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:33.400
But but I mean, I think it betrays what we've

779
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.400
also been talking about all along, which is the sort

780
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:41.719
of like the sort of like liberal perspective, like the

781
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.920
like I'm I'm a good one and you're still like

782
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.840
reinforcing a status quo, like you're not actually embodying like

783
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:54.119
a progressive ideal or a leftist ideal. And like it's

784
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.119
so funny because I read I don't know which point

785
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.280
he said this or whatever. I think you're probably saw

786
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:04.400
in the IMDb trivia on Wikipedia. But Roddenberry was like, oh,

787
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.800
you know, I really regretted putting that line in about

788
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.039
how women couldn't be captains because it's like makes it

789
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:16.760
seem like it's sexist. It's like, yeah, bro, let's see

790
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.360
the fuck we're like, what do you like it? Just

791
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:25.079
it kind of feels pretty obvious that at the end here,

792
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.599
and I mean, like you know what, lean into it,

793
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.840
fucking lean into it, like and actually make it a

794
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:31.559
real thing.

795
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.079
Which, just as a reminder, is roden Berry doing more

796
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.719
revisionism of being like he was checked out of Star

797
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:43.800
Trek by this point, even though he submitted the story,

798
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.480
but basically that was him being like because he gave

799
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.519
himself two or three assignments at the beginning of the year.

800
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:53.199
This is one of his assignments. Turnabout Intruder was based

801
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.000
on the nineteen thirty one comedic novel turn About Uh This,

802
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.920
And it was a comedy. It was a hijinks. You know,

803
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.360
there's swapping gender and so Gene ron Berry caused the

804
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.639
episode turn About Intruder. This episode is not a comedy.

805
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:15.639
It's a drama. Crew wants to commit mutiny, an insane

806
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.960
woman is in the body of the captain. It's not

807
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:22.559
really much hijinks. And then it's not really interrogating, sincerely,

808
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.559
what it would mean for a woman to be in

809
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:25.960
a man's body and a man to be in a

810
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.119
woman's body. It's not really interested in those things. Don't

811
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.320
really know what the initial idea was for good old

812
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.880
Gene outside of probably him having a fantasy of being like,

813
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.360
what if a woman was in a man's body? I

814
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:46.320
love that idea women. Because I'm Gene Rodberry, I.

815
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:51.400
Think I will say that I appreciated. I feel like,

816
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.280
actually Shatner, I believe I'm going to say this was

817
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:58.440
playing it really well. I think in this episode, I

818
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:02.679
think there's like there's like little things where I could

819
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.840
tell he was like, well, if I'm a woman in

820
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:11.119
this body, like what are what might a woman who

821
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:15.239
like how she's acting, what might be some like little

822
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.239
things I might do as opposed to like turning it

823
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.639
into like a caricature. There's like a scene where he's

824
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:26.960
filing his nails. Men, people of all genders file their nails.

825
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.840
It was kind of it kind of worked for me,

826
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.800
like it was like something about the way he'd also

827
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.119
like hold his shoulders as well or like soften his

828
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:38.400
face in moments. I was just like, Yeah, you're actually

829
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.639
doing a portogod job and you're not being a dick

830
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:41.079
about this.

831
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.159
And Sander Smith, who is the actor in the body

832
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.719
Janis Leicester, projects the authority of Kirk very very easily.

833
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.320
It's another one of those where I'm like saved about

834
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.519
your guest star for sure.

835
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.719
Yeah, there are some good performances at the center of it. Uh,

836
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.760
I'm kind of talk around it and I'm pretty sure

837
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:07.079
what you think of this episode, but we haven't technically

838
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.559
gotten your first impression. What is your impression of this episode?

839
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.000
Just initially.

840
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.480
I hated it.

841
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.559
Great love to hear it. Well.

842
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:25.199
I find it to be what's the meanest thing I

843
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.400
could say about something?

844
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.280
I can think of a whole bunch of things and

845
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.679
I will not utter on the microphone because they be offective.

846
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.599
I mean, I've hated things more like I don't Actually,

847
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.880
I think I'm mostly just like bored. I'm bored, That's

848
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.280
what it is. I was like, ohh and you know

849
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:47.079
you're right. Maybe if it were in the middle, I'd

850
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:48.920
still in the middle of the season. I'd still be like,

851
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.039
A this is like you said, I'm like, to what end?

852
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.360
What are you going for? This isn't fun. I don't

853
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.239
give a shit. The only thing I am enjoying are

854
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.800
these two people. This is the kind of episode where

855
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.239
if it were better, I'd be like, oh, the things

856
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.400
that felt obvious, I'd write them off. I'd be like,

857
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.199
who cares? Plot hole? If something is emotional and compelling, fantastic,

858
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:10.159
I'm gonna read. But in this case, I'm just like,

859
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.280
there are plenty of ways to prove what has happened

860
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:18.519
here that beyond Spock doing a mind mold, Like, there's

861
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:20.400
so many things you could have done that it is

862
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.159
actually making me feel insane.

863
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:26.199
We have been with these characters for three years, and

864
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:30.480
the security guards are like, mister Spock, surely you think

865
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.880
it's a little bit silly that Kirk is in the

866
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.800
body of doctor Janis Lester. My guy. A couple of

867
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.559
weeks ago, you ran into Abraham Lincoln in spacce, My guy,

868
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.639
you think you think that this is silly. We've run

869
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:53.199
into did presidential honors for Abraham len Abraham Lincoln.

870
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.519
Here we've run into not one, but two women who

871
00:50:57.559 --> 00:50:59.000
turn in two black cats.

872
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.360
If I had a nickel for every time that we

873
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.679
ran into a woman that turned into a black cat,

874
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.360
I have two nickels, which is not that much, but

875
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:10.760
it's weird that it's happened twice.

876
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:13.599
The best meme structure that.

877
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:18.719
Week, we have ran into Apollo, Yes, heard of them,

878
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.679
Heard of them? The Captain's best friend turned to God

879
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.800
and then got crushed by a rock yep.

880
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.280
Oh go back in time multiple times, multiple times and

881
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.559
forward in time multiple times.

882
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.880
One week just because that was the assignment from Starfleet Command.

883
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.039
Wasn't an accident something that usually it's a star trek,

884
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.320
but this week, for some reason, Starfleet Commander was like,

885
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.480
why did you go back in time to nineteen sixty nine?

886
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:46.239
Not usual orders seemed kind of weird. Absolutely, and the

887
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.480
guy's last name seven weird.

888
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:56.000
That's weird. First name Gary, Gary, that's an okay name.

889
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.519
That is an okay name. They went to a planet

890
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.960
that was nothing but Chicago gangsters. He realized that just

891
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:10.360
bumping into a planet, it's nothing but gangsters, Bray Slam Aspen.

892
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.639
You hung out with a bunch of children that went

893
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:19.199
boom boom.

894
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:17.679
Weird, weird.

895
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:19.719
You can't believe this.

896
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.079
You can't believe this.

897
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.159
And it's just like like little things that are like clearly,

898
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:28.679
Like last.

899
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.880
Year there was there was a group of brain transfer

900
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:38.000
people that were in giant glass domes and the capital

901
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.320
is like, it's our obligation to let them inhabit our bodies.

902
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.559
Can't Something went up.

903
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.119
Yeah, something went out. Everyone's brains this week whenever they

904
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.960
couldn't believe that, mister Spock like, I think that this

905
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.039
is Captain Kirk and the body of Janis Leicester.

906
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.920
I was waving my hands around so much that I

907
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.559
pulled my headphones out.

908
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.119
And every time someone pulls their headphones out or loses audio,

909
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.239
you pour the absinthe onto the person that you're drinking with.

910
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.559
Yeah, and even just like not even the like oh

911
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.159
this is weird, but literally that like at one point,

912
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:26.400
Kirk in Lester's Body is like, hey, here's a specific

913
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.519
thing we did, and Spock's like you could have read that,

914
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.440
and it's like, okay, well, then let's talk about specific

915
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.880
things that we couldn't have read about and let's prove it.

916
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.199
Like I genuinely was like, this is so stupid.

917
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.360
I'm like, nah, just cut to the mind meld, which

918
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.639
they did, which was not a Roddenberry thing. That was

919
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:46.519
Fred Freiberger and Arthur Singer being like, why don't we

920
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:48.920
just have them mind meld right that I'll get this

921
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.480
episode moving a little bit right, and it did.

922
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.320
Like I just found it to be boring and messy,

923
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.360
and obviously it's it's colored by the fact that I'm like,

924
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.119
what's your fucking point here? Huh? Like, what are you

925
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:04.000
trying to get at?

926
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:04.119
You?

927
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.880
Absolute like sex obsessed psychopath girl?

928
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.159
What is your in command?

929
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.840
Apparently, like genuinely I was. I I wrote the first

930
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:20.840
time this is what happened. I wrote, oh, because because

931
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.360
like Bones is starting to kind of be like, hey,

932
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:24.679
I think you need to go in for like an

933
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:26.920
emotional like you seem to be physically okay, but I

934
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.559
want you to going for like an emotional like analysis to

935
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.800
Kurk and he's like why And it's the development of

936
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.599
emotional instability and erratic mental attitudes. And I wrote, because lady,

937
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.960
or because she's insane, and then on my second watch

938
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.159
on that exact one, saying like it was like Bones,

939
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.119
it was a different point where Bones is calling him. Oh,

940
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.320
it was like Bones and Scotty were talking to each

941
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:49.760
other and they kept using the word hysterical, and I

942
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.800
was like, the common theme of hysterias so obviously gendered.

943
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.440
Is it insanity because Janis has driven herself insane with

944
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.599
the jealousy? Or is it because she's a fucking woman?

945
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.360
So clearly, I just was like on the same wavelength

946
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.599
a couple of weeks.

947
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.639
Apart, Scotty, Scotty doesn't even believe Spock.

948
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:11.559
Oh, it's so stupid, Like it's just dumb. Everybody's holding

949
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:12.320
the idiot ball.

950
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:18.320
Scotty, you were literally you you were inhabited by the

951
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:22.760
spirit of Jack the Ripper once you can't believe it.

952
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.840
Scotty one, when you were in love with it was

953
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:31.639
given like true sight by a dying alien race.

954
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.960
She was lights of Satar was to get Lights of

955
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:36.760
Saint Tard, Lights of Saintard.

956
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:37.800
No one gets.

957
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:39.920
She's the only Worsen ever got Lights of Saint.

958
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:45.000
Tired and lived very rarely, but it happened. It happens

959
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:45.679
only a couple.

960
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.639
Of weeks ago, A couple of weeks ago, A couple

961
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.599
But this, this is too far. This is too far.

962
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.400
This is too far. It's because woman, I fucking woman,

963
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.960
I guess. Yeah, So, following the logic of this episode,

964
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.360
this woman Janis Lester, who I assume is named after

965
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.679
the city of Leicester, where my grandfather is from.

966
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:13.519
Uh. It was originally named Janice Lizette in Roddenberry's final

967
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:18.760
story outline, which is very interesting. It was changed to

968
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.880
Janis Leicester in the script after departed producer Robert Justin

969
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.239
considered it a conflict with the name of a new writer.

970
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.679
New writer for the series, Jean Lyzette Arrest.

971
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.000
That's a cool name.

972
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:40.360
Yeah, uh, Janice Lisette Jean Blasette, Yeah, weird wild, And

973
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.920
then Geene Roddenberry writing a story about how women can't

974
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:43.280
hack it.

975
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:48.360
Oh great, got it? Was it on purpose? Who fucking knows?

976
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:49.119
Who knows?

977
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.960
Could have been your little even if it was unconscious. Yeah,

978
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:57.880
so she he comes to her bedside because she's ostensibly

979
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:02.440
dying from some radiation. Basically, you get. I do appreciate

980
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:09.760
a fast, fast download of exposition. We were in love.

981
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:12.960
I wanted to be a captain. I couldn't become a

982
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.280
captain because the starfleet is fucking sexist and piece of shit.

983
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.960
Right now, you became a captain. I lost my goddamn

984
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:26.400
mind because I live in a society Joker.

985
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.440
And she started painting her face just like watching does

986
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.880
in the twenty nineteen film Joker Jogger.

987
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:39.039
And then she starts like slicing it like in the

988
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:50.400
twenty sixteen film Dark Knight. That's twenty sixteen, so so close.

989
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.480
I'm actually, to be honest, I think in my brain

990
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.440
I thought two thousand and six and said twenty sixteen

991
00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:58.480
as if they were the same.

992
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.199
Two thousand and six is like the twenty sixteen of

993
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:02.199
the twenty tens.

994
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.920
Yeah, yeah, oh my god, oh my god.

995
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.400
Not only with your line, but then they give the

996
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:16.760
Janis Leicester in the body of Shatner the line. Believe me,

997
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.159
it is better to be dead than to live alone

998
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:20.360
in the body of a woman.

999
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.320
Yep, yep.

1000
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:26.880
And I read that too, and then all the way

1001
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:30.320
down at the bottom of it of my Patriot notes,

1002
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:34.639
Janie Lester hates her own womanhood. And I was thinking

1003
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:40.320
about this through the lens of this being a trans story. Ah,

1004
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.159
is it a story?

1005
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:47.039
No, I don't know. I would be curious about people

1006
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:51.079
who are trans if this is something that appeals to them.

1007
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:56.119
At all, not necessarily appealing so much with someone that

1008
00:58:56.199 --> 00:59:00.800
is it is really interesting, more interesting because it's going

1009
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:03.880
gender is a binary, it only exists. And I would

1010
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:10.599
rather be dead in the body of that I was

1011
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:11.480
given at birth.

1012
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.599
I would prefer I prefer to take it away from that.

1013
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.280
I think for this conversation I wanted to keep let's

1014
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.639
keep it just for the sake of it being like this,

1015
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:23.119
because that almost feels like squeaky to me. And I

1016
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:24.960
don't know why. I don't have to think about it.

1017
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.039
One squeaky thing about that you can't.

1018
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.679
Like, I think, because I think I'll tell you, Oh,

1019
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:34.480
I know, I know why it is here we go

1020
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.239
because I think we get it into a dangerous space.

1021
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.960
I'm not going to speak for people. I'm not going

1022
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.280
to speak for other people. They're people who are wrong. Well,

1023
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.119
some like like I've gotten this of like oh, non

1024
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.760
binary just because like what you just like it sucks

1025
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:55.039
to be a woman, or like trans men. You know,

1026
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.800
it's like, oh, did you only transition because it sucks

1027
00:59:57.800 --> 00:59:59.559
to be a woman. And so I think it's a

1028
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:02.400
dangerous space to even to like for us to go.

1029
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:05.599
It just doesn't it's not good. I don't think it's helpful.

1030
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.719
I think what is more helpful is to contextualize it

1031
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:17.280
more in terms of a system that is so dangerous

1032
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:21.519
and restricting for marginalized people. And in this case, the

1033
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:28.800
marginalized group is women, presumably all women of all races

1034
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:33.480
and backgrounds, and that it the like if we were

1035
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:35.440
to take it and say, like, let's actually read this

1036
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.639
in the best way possible, let's read this episode in

1037
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:42.880
the best way possible, that like it's truly so it

1038
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:49.000
is truly so horrific to be oppressed so much, which

1039
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.760
yeah that like you literally lose your fucking mind, like

1040
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.599
and you know what, yeah.

1041
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:59.639
Yeah, wouldn't it have been great if the episode honestly

1042
01:00:59.639 --> 01:00:59.920
and enter.

1043
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.679
Yeah, and it doesn't and like everything else, it's like

1044
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.679
the idea could have been cool, and it just didn't

1045
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:08.679
go there. It just had no interest in it, and

1046
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.559
it like wasn't interested truly in that as like an

1047
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:15.079
exploration on that to the point where it's like it's yeah,

1048
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:18.199
it's just very much. And what I say that you

1049
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:19.960
lose your mind. I mean it in this like the

1050
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:24.679
truest sense of like, it is so emotionally and physically

1051
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.159
exhausting to live in a state of just constant oppression

1052
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.880
and marginalization for anyone right as marginalized identity. So what

1053
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:34.079
does that do to a person? What does that mean?

1054
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.280
It literally like physically affects you in your life. But

1055
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:41.639
this is hysteria. This is still because she's just a

1056
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:45.760
silly woman, like and so every time that it could

1057
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.880
be taken seriously, it's just described specifically to what is

1058
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:52.440
already a shitty way of being, like she's insane and

1059
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:57.119
like there's even like this last line, well like and

1060
01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.480
even when she is like your world of Starship Captains

1061
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:04.159
doesn't admit women, and like it's still refocused on Kirk.

1062
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:06.559
It's like, and you punished and tortured me because of it.

1063
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:12.559
It's like fuck you. Yeah, because I was suffering, like

1064
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.760
like but he's like, oh, but it's still about me.

1065
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.880
It's like I can't literally leave you know what, she

1066
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.360
deserves to switch bodies and kill you, like I don't

1067
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.840
know how fuck you. And in the very last line

1068
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:28.960
of the episode, he's like, her life could have been

1069
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:32.199
as rich as any woman's if only, if only, It's like,

1070
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.719
if only, what if only I weren't a sexist piece

1071
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.679
of shit system? Yeah, yeah, or as rich as any

1072
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:41.360
person's Like you absolute nightmare. You have the nightmare people.

1073
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:42.880
To me, this is just the reason I'm hating it

1074
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.039
so much is because it does feel like the culmination

1075
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:48.480
of all the shit, Like I can't I'm not, I

1076
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:49.960
can't take it out of the context of this is

1077
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.360
the final episode of TOS, right, It's like.

1078
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:57.159
This is the thesis. On day four of filming this episode,

1079
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.840
I enjoy this detail and this I do the research

1080
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:04.840
from sadly the last time that I'll be citing this

1081
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:06.960
book Us with the Voyage Season three by Mark Cushman

1082
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:12.199
and Susan Osborne. On day four filming this episode, because

1083
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.880
there were two episodes that were still going to be

1084
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:21.360
in development, but day four this is when Gene Roddenberry,

1085
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.599
which is very rare at the time, Geene Rodenberry visited

1086
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:27.039
the set and brought bad news that this would be

1087
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:33.119
the last episode of the season. Aswin. Yeah, I will

1088
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:36.880
give you three guests as to who the guest that

1089
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.039
Gene Roddenberry brought to the bridge of the USS Enterprise is.

1090
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:42.599
The guest.

1091
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:47.199
The guest Geene Roddenberry and then guest showed up on

1092
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:52.119
day four of filming Turnabout Intruder, the final episode of

1093
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:57.760
Star Trek the original series and this and delivered the

1094
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.559
news that Star Trek would be no more. So Geene

1095
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.960
Rodenberry in that guest, you get three chances to guess

1096
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:06.239
who that guest was.

1097
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:10.880
For some reason, the first thought I had, and it's wrong,

1098
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:13.880
is like the woman who played Yeoman Janice Rand.

1099
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:21.000
That would be a lovely piece of symmetry. No, that

1100
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:22.000
makes too much sense.

1101
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:25.400
He's like, here's a person that we literally assaulted and

1102
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.320
abused and we've run her off an now we're back

1103
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:29.079
to tell you that we're ending on this terrible note.

1104
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:33.960
And I brought her with me. That's right, awful awful, Actually,

1105
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.880
I don't know, I don't Oh, was it my other girl?

1106
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.119
No, I will it is not It is not a woman.

1107
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:43.599
It's not someone I like.

1108
01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:48.199
Is definitely not someone you like. Ask then I want

1109
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.679
you to buckle down, and I want you to go

1110
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:54.480
with the most you get. One more guess. I want

1111
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.679
you to go with the most left field guests that

1112
01:04:57.800 --> 01:04:58.719
you can think.

1113
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:03.079
Of, the most left field guest. Yes, yes, Okay, what

1114
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:04.599
year is that the president?

1115
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.440
It is nineteen sixty nine, he's the president.

1116
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:10.360
JFK become a CHFK.

1117
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.719
JFK famously assassinated nineteen sixty three.

1118
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.239
What's the guest, What is going on with my brain?

1119
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:23.440
I was like, he sent us to the moon nineteen sixteen.

1120
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:37.639
Nixon, Yeah, uh wow, trophy winner and uh first draft

1121
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:40.400
pick by the Bills. Oh. J.

1122
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.280
Simpson, what the fuck?

1123
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:45.679
Why?

1124
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:47.800
Why?

1125
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:52.440
Because I have no idea. I have no idea.

1126
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.639
I'll be JA was president sixty nine and then Nixon

1127
01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:58.639
is elected Saturday.

1128
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.599
But then he no, Nixon was president by this.

1129
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:07.440
Time because LBJ didn't run for it was sixty eight. Okay,

1130
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.800
that's it, sixty eight to seventy two. But then okay,

1131
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:10.239
but then he.

1132
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.719
And Nixon was president. That's it, sixty eight to seventy two. Uh.

1133
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.840
And then was president until seventy four resigned. Ford finished

1134
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:20.840
that out and then yes, your departed President Jimmy Carter, Yes,

1135
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:22.239
served his country.

1136
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:24.559
Sorry, I just needed to prove to everybody I knew

1137
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:31.400
how presidents work. O. G. Simpson Why.

1138
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:34.840
I don't know, why did O. J. Simpson do anything?

1139
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:36.199
Because the was loose.

1140
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.840
My guess is they were like out to lunch and

1141
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.840
they were just like chatting and they were like out

1142
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:46.679
and fucking I don't know, and Hollywood, They're at a

1143
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:48.639
cafe and He's just like, you know what I'm gonna

1144
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:50.599
go do. I'm gonna go up into like I'm gonna

1145
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.400
go into the studios and I'm gonna go and I'm

1146
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:54.199
gonna tell them this is it. This is the end.

1147
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:57.199
You want to come with me? And OJ was like, yeah, Okay,

1148
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:01.280
that's what I'm imagining happened. I really people are weird.

1149
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.400
Simpson began acting while at USC and appeared on DRAGONA

1150
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:09.920
in an uncredited role as a potential recruit to the

1151
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.480
Los Angeles Police Department. He became a professional actor before

1152
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.639
playing professional football, appearing in the first episode of Medical Center.

1153
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.719
Sicily Tyson's husband, despite being twenty three years her junior,

1154
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:24.119
while negotiating his contract with the bills.

1155
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:31.400
Okay, weird, weird, What a weird detail, What.

1156
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.480
A weird detail in a very weird episode of Star Trek,

1157
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.320
especially considering that this is what becomes the thesis for

1158
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:42.360
live action Star Trek the original series. That's oh yeah,

1159
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:49.159
I mean this is the ending statement, and how appropriate

1160
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:53.880
that it ends this confusingly because Star Trek and such highs,

1161
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.400
has such lows, and it's just a mess of an episode.

1162
01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:59.559
And in a way it is kind of a perfect

1163
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:04.000
embody it on Star Trek because it's just weird.

1164
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:09.039
Yeah, it's just weird, and it made me mad, you

1165
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:09.920
know what it did?

1166
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:10.440
What?

1167
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:14.880
It just disappointed. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. I'm

1168
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:15.719
just disappointed.

1169
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.800
That's what so many things whenever you find out about

1170
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:22.640
Geen Roddenberry, God, what did well kind of his behavior

1171
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:23.760
can straight up make me mad?

1172
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:25.439
God damn?

1173
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:25.680
You know.

1174
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:30.640
Yeah, get out of dodge, get out of town.

1175
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:41.199
M hm A long time ago. Start dating this week.

1176
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:46.000
I quoted a boat, I dated a game, but none

1177
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:52.960
of them could warp my drive into hyper space. The

1178
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:56.760
best of both worlds can meet in the second place,

1179
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:05.039
Captain slog on a Halla kron I wanted a song.

1180
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:06.840
I pend a song.

1181
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.239
Seventeen more minutes advise.

1182
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:11.640
In super high dev.

1183
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:23.199
Aboard the USS Enterprise DT. Don't you take my walk

1184
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:27.079
lighter and clip it. Don't you take my wretched buddy

1185
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.840
and nip it? If you spill the tea, I'm gonna

1186
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:31.520
nip it.

1187
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.560
My starship, it ask been. What are we doing right now?

1188
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:41.960
Oh, my friend, my dear dear friend. We are going

1189
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:48.920
to choose our favorite starships as ships through the sky. Yeah,

1190
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:54.279
we're gonna choose our favorite ship, said gois on whatever

1191
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:59.000
service they want a romance ship ship of romances.

1192
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.000
As that's absolutely correct.

1193
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:05.600
Thank you so much, describing thing.

1194
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:14.399
Very much, are jeez Louise speaking of geeves Louise, Let

1195
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:14.960
me go ahead and.

1196
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.319
Start first, okay, well with the ship ship of the sky.

1197
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:23.000
Well, the ship ship of the sky. Yes, I guess

1198
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.720
technically a ground vehicle, and because I thought that it

1199
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:29.880
was called att but canonically it's known as AT eight,

1200
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.479
going to treat that as a different vehicle. So I'm

1201
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.640
choosing the AT eighty three hundred.

1202
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:40.840
I love them.

1203
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.479
It's all right, a little bit of ships that flat

1204
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:44.039
through the sky.

1205
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:44.920
I love them.

1206
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.920
And that is very cool. I enjoy them. I enjoy

1207
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.600
that maneuver very much. I think it is very cool.

1208
01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:58.920
H Aspen, Wow, what space bound things that have some sort.

1209
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:04.880
Of meant Yeah, well that was going to be mine,

1210
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:08.960
so now I am forced to make mine. Oh wait,

1211
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:11.399
I think we've technically already done this. I was going

1212
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.640
to say Captain Kirk, but I think we've done Captain

1213
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.039
Kirk is a vehicle because he was ridden by someone

1214
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:18.760
like a pony.

1215
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:20.520
One that's true.

1216
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.600
To choose Janet Leicester, janis Leicester, Janis Leicester, I mean

1217
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:27.279
Janie Lester yep.

1218
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:31.640
The body switching machine.

1219
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:34.479
The body swipping switching machine. I would, I would if

1220
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.000
I could choose choose Kirk because it's much funnier. It

1221
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.640
feels actually kind of mean when it's her. I don't

1222
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:46.199
know much funnier, though I guess it is truly against

1223
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:49.359
his will, though it's against his will to be in

1224
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:53.159
her body, though it is her will to Okay, whatever, That's.

1225
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:53.439
What I pick.

1226
01:11:55.119 --> 01:12:02.239
She is a vehicle and she's in the sky.

1227
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:07.159
That's good enough, right, that's good enough.

1228
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.640
Remember when Kirk was ridden like a pony?

1229
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.520
Yeah? And Plato step children? Why ten out of five

1230
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:15.279
Episode nothing wrong with that episode at all.

1231
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.159
That's a that's actually the episode I was thinking of.

1232
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:21.760
But I was watching the Clone Wars episode, a far

1233
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.039
better episode than Plato Switch. But like in the sense

1234
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.239
of like watching people be tortured is so horrifying for me,

1235
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:30.520
And it's like the first time Clone Wars has ever

1236
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.720
been like truly that much, like a person is being

1237
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.920
tortured to death, but not nearly. And I was like, man,

1238
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:40.279
I was like the Star Trek episode. So anyway, no, yep, yep.

1239
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:45.960
Now we gotta talk about people who want to kiss kiss.

1240
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:51.039
People were gonna kiss kiss, and it's a bit sweating.

1241
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:52.640
It's sweaty. You had a sweaty one.

1242
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:54.279
But I'm going to go for it. You're going to

1243
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:56.000
do it because if not, Now when I want to

1244
01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:57.000
pick Scotty and.

1245
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.560
Kirk, oh my gosh, we never did it right.

1246
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:06.039
Never never did it because never it's the triumph Kirk

1247
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:12.159
spot McCoy. But since Kirk is always going on away

1248
01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:16.159
emissions with his boyfriends, who's left picking up the piece

1249
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:21.800
is always good loyal scot Scotty, who just he sees

1250
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:25.079
the way that Kirk looks at Spock and McCoy. He

1251
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:29.680
knows how it is, But it's it's an unrequited sort

1252
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:36.800
of affection, you know. M and so whenever Spock and mccoyir,

1253
01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:48.279
especially Spock suggesting mutiny, mutiny against Kirk. Yeah, the most

1254
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:53.640
tender man who loves the Enterprise, and only a way

1255
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.520
that an engineer could Kirk would be with a woman.

1256
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.840
But only Kirk and Scott. You're able to see the

1257
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:05.079
ship as the lady that she is having to be

1258
01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:10.079
taken care of it so well, Scotty knows that has

1259
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.279
to have some sort of physical companionship. In that physical

1260
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:17.560
companionship is of course embodied within the triumvir to Kirk's

1261
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:22.479
block in choice, Scotty hopes beyond hope that the real

1262
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:27.319
triumvir it could be Kirk Scott in the Enterprise left

1263
01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.279
them wone changing out the di lithium chambers.

1264
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:36.359
M M.

1265
01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:41.640
The Enterprise is a woman that's kind of just a man.

1266
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:51.439
That's beautiful. This is good. I'm gonna go an again

1267
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:59.760
and Admiral Wister Lauren just because there's a lot.

1268
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:07.520
Of Yeah, real, If I know that, then I probably

1269
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:12.640
would have picked Janis Lester Coleman. No, No, it's.

1270
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:19.279
An upsetting relationship, an upsetting relationship that's an upsetting one, especially.

1271
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.840
When Coleman gets Janis Lester and she's so sincerely disturbed

1272
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:26.680
about being back in her own body and yeah, and

1273
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.880
he asks her to be discharged into his care and

1274
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:32.600
he says, you are as I loved you.

1275
01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:35.000
What does that mean?

1276
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:37.560
I mean, I guess she's back in her body, but like.

1277
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:42.159
Fuck, she clearly doesn't want to be there. But no,

1278
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:44.640
thank goodness that you get to be care to. Are

1279
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:45.560
you sick freak?

1280
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.520
Also, I think it's implied right that, like, I mean,

1281
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.319
not implied, explicitly stated that like he is, like they

1282
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.520
murdered other people, right, like she switched into other bodies.

1283
01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:01.960
And the beginning of the episode, there there's a there

1284
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.239
are deaths of colonists that happen on the screen, right

1285
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:10.199
due to radiation exposure. Yes, so yeah, and the leverage

1286
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.000
that Lester is able to hold lover Coleman's that you're

1287
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:14.159
an accomplice to murder.

1288
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:19.119
Yes, yeah, they're just like, okay, bye, take your girlfriend.

1289
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:22.279
I guess we fixed it all. God, it's so weird.

1290
01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:23.920
It's the end of the episode at the.

1291
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:25.960
End of Star Trek original series.

1292
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:32.079
Yes, I'm assuming that you watched the version on Paramount Plus.

1293
01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:35.279
I did, which has it ending is a.

1294
01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:39.720
Better ending because we get the Enterprise going off into

1295
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.680
a nebula as opposed to like the Enterprise just going

1296
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:48.159
off because it's just another episode. And not only that,

1297
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:51.039
but the episode was dumped in June because the uh,

1298
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:54.680
the original air date had to get moved because Dwight

1299
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:59.439
Eisenhower died the original week that the episode was ran,

1300
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.680
so it got it got bumped for coverage of the

1301
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:08.560
press of the of Eisenhower, and so uh. Not not

1302
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:12.560
only that, but they used that knowledge because they knew

1303
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.640
that a letter campaign, letter writing campaign was going to happen,

1304
01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:19.520
so NBC could go Star Trek is coming back because

1305
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:24.159
it technically was coming back in June, which then actually

1306
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.479
lessened the amount of mail that they got, so they

1307
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.800
couldn't be like, well, we got the same amount of mail. No,

1308
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:33.119
they got a lesser amount of mail because they were

1309
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:37.159
able to say Star Trek is coming back for one episode,

1310
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:43.760
thereby putting their their finger on the scale and letting

1311
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.159
Star Trek go out not with a bang, but with

1312
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:51.359
a whimper. Nasty, nasty, It's super nasty, and a season

1313
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.439
that was set up to fail from the beginning, because,

1314
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:57.399
as we talked about at the beginning of the season

1315
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:03.680
three episodes, Jean Roddenberry was a diva to deal with.

1316
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:07.720
Although that might be giving divas a bad name, Geen

1317
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:12.520
Roddenberry was extraordinarily difficult to work with. He played hardball

1318
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.479
when hardball wasn't really necessary. He was a grand stander.

1319
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.119
He turned audiences against the network, and the network was like,

1320
01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:23.560
making this Star Trek stuff is extremely expensive. We don't

1321
01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:27.159
understand it. And while the network wasn't necessarily a good

1322
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:32.640
guy all the time, Geen Roddenberry was such a Barnum

1323
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:36.079
esque type figure that was able to successfully spend the

1324
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:38.960
narrative that NBC was the devil and Roddenberry was the

1325
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:42.520
second coming of Christ, and that just wasn't the case,

1326
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:46.319
made all the more evident by digging into the behind

1327
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:49.560
the scenes details and seeing that he was checked out

1328
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:52.239
from this season largely. He was there at the beginning,

1329
01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:55.880
he did his basic assignments and then was focused on

1330
01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:59.359
trying to make a life outside of Star Trek. By

1331
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:06.039
this point, I gotta pull up the good summary. I

1332
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:10.720
gotta pull up the quote yep here because these the

1333
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:16.399
voyages goes into the months after or leading up to

1334
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:27.960
the cancelation and then the cancelation. That's a funny quote

1335
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.119
that I gotta come back to. Rotten Berry ended his

1336
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:38.720
He's writing a letter about how Fred Freiberger sucked, because.

1337
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:41.760
That's classic.

1338
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.159
That's what it what it was, and it was just

1339
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:48.479
a piece of correspondence with his friend John W. Campbell.

1340
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:52.920
And in this letter he said, time I think to

1341
01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:55.119
wash Star Trek out of my hair. Stop the habit

1342
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.119
of it playing a part in every thought. Get on

1343
01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:02.199
to start scaling the mountaintop. This was seventeen episodes into

1344
01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.680
the third season of Star Trek. He saw the writing

1345
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:06.640
on the wall. Everyone saw the writing on the wall.

1346
01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:09.319
As you can read in these are the voyages. Everyone

1347
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.560
was pretty darn sad and they knew that Star Trek

1348
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:18.840
was a dying ship. It's a turnbout and intruder. Aired

1349
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.880
in June, a month before the moon landing. It goes

1350
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:26.840
out with whimper. No one really likes this episode. It's

1351
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.199
only kind of really important because the contradictions inherent with

1352
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:32.119
the finale of Star Trek the original series.

1353
01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:36.239
Yeah, what a bummer.

1354
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:38.560
Bummer, Too bad that Star Trek never comes back.

1355
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:41.800
Yeah, we never have it again not ever, it's never

1356
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:44.720
put into syndication and then adored for years and years

1357
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:47.319
of the original series, and there's no animated original series,

1358
01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.920
and there's no expansion of Star Trek for years and

1359
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:50.680
years of years to.

1360
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:54.960
Come, and you never get Star Trek Prodigy never doesn't exist.

1361
01:20:55.359 --> 01:21:00.640
Oh I finished the speaking of Star Trek geting canceled.

1362
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:05.760
Watched All the Lower Decks. Now that that's a beautiful finale.

1363
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:08.039
That's a that's like the most one of the most beautiful,

1364
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:09.680
perfect finales I've ever.

1365
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:14.920
Seen in thirty minutes incredible, like thirty minutes perfect, incredible show.

1366
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:18.560
I'm going to rewatch that. I love Lower Decks with

1367
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:19.760
every bit of me.

1368
01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:24.359
Well, what's funny most recent piece of Star Tek?

1369
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.760
I what you know, it's interesting. It's like we're on

1370
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:32.520
the second episode of season two of Clone Wars as

1371
01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:36.800
we finish cos as a show, and we're going to

1372
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:39.840
have many more seasons of Clone Wars, and it's funny

1373
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.880
that as this thing is sort of like winding down

1374
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.880
with the whimper and ends abruptly, it does feel like

1375
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:47.079
I will say this Clone Wars is give out to

1376
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:50.920
like start going yes, like it's just it just only

1377
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:51.760
gets better from here.

1378
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:54.560
This was the episode where I was like, cat Banes

1379
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:56.600
got the juice, as evident by the fact that I

1380
01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:58.560
literally wrote cat Banes got the juice.

1381
01:21:58.680 --> 01:21:59.600
It's got the juice.

1382
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:03.359
Really enjoyed him in Cargo of Doom. And then he

1383
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:06.359
also touches the brim of his hat, which I need

1384
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:07.800
to watch The Good, the Bad, and the Algolade to

1385
01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:11.000
see if that was a thing that they stole from

1386
01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:15.720
Lee Marvin, who I believe it's based off of. I

1387
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.640
think that's cool. Kadmane's got the juice.

1388
01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:25.359
He's got the juice, like corn It's got the juice.

1389
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:27.680
It's got the juice.

1390
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:28.800
You know what I got?

1391
01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:32.079
The juice has been us giving these scores.

1392
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:37.359
Absolutely art exists only in only in a good or

1393
01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:40.199
bad and only by putting a numerical value on it

1394
01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:43.319
can we concretely answer which is better. Star Trek or

1395
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:46.399
Star Wars. Once again, the episodes are Cargo of Doom

1396
01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:48.359
from Star Wars, the Clone War season two, episode two,

1397
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:51.600
versus Turn About Intruder, the final episode of Star Trek

1398
01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:57.960
the original series. I will go first with Cargo of Doom,

1399
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:01.479
and I will give this a robust seven great out

1400
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.640
cool I wish I had more to say about it,

1401
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:08.960
but that's what I got to say about it. Just

1402
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.680
a good app. Well, I said, a great up and

1403
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.720
it is a great app understatement, that's on what you got.

1404
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.479
I think I liked this one a little more than

1405
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.760
holocron Heist. It looks like I gave holocroon Christ a

1406
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:25.479
seven point five, So I'm gonna give this one a

1407
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:28.439
seven point six.

1408
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.359
Which means Cargo Doom. Is that a collective total of

1409
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:34.039
seven point three?

1410
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:39.399
But it's still Oh, anyone's game, absolutely anyone's game.

1411
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:43.840
As we pop over to Turn About Intruder, and my

1412
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:46.760
ranking is that I'm gonna give this one a five

1413
01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:51.399
point five because a I'm looking at my ranking for

1414
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:56.159
all our yesterday. No, you know what, because I'm actually

1415
01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:57.920
gonna give this one a six point five. So I

1416
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.560
remember all our yesterday's just being a little slop beer.

1417
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:02.359
Uh.

1418
01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:05.640
And I think I found my way into this episode

1419
01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:07.800
of enjoying this episode. And I'm gonna go to the

1420
01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:12.520
app for Turnabout Intruder. Nah, But you know, I like

1421
01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:14.479
what I like, And I said that there were some

1422
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:17.720
interesting things to see in this episode. It's a little

1423
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:21.520
bit cleaner than all our yesterday's uh astin what are

1424
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:22.840
you going to give turn About in Tudor?

1425
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:24.479
I'm gonna give it a point five?

1426
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:28.840
Help you do love to see it? You do love

1427
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:29.399
to see it?

1428
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:38.319
I deserve after the week I've had a spite ranking.

1429
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:40.840
Is this really a point five?

1430
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:41.199
No?

1431
01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:43.520
But is it a point five to me?

1432
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:44.600
Yes?

1433
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:51.520
Yes, there you go.

1434
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Uh it brings turn About Intruders collective total to three

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point five, which means Aspen, Yeah, Aspen, Aspen, Star Wars,

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when's the week breathe in three? Then the air focused.

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Ash that's Star Trek on fine, that's Star Trek on

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our one hundred episodes in.

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01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:24.520
Our collective ranking of Star Trek for one hundred episodes

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01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:28.680
is at a six point zero three round six point

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01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.520
zero four versus Star Wars is collective total of six

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01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:38.039
point five four one hundred episodes, and which means that

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after one hundred episodes Star Wars, it's pretty healthily and delate.

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Oh man, oh man, oh man.

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01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:51.039
Before we do wrap it for the night, that's the

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01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:52.560
end of Star Trek, the original series.

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01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:53.600
That's it.

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01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:57.000
What it's been. I believe the last time I revisited

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01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.000
this was probably around college. It's been a long time

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01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.960
scion since I've read visited the original series, certainly not

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01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:05.840
in this granular detail and certainly not having any literature

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01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:08.079
to read along with it. This is I've learned so

1453
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:13.600
much about this even being the Star Trek contingent, so much,

1454
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:18.720
so much myth making completely challenged, and it was so

1455
01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:25.720
much fun to watch this show. Well, we'll watch it again, sure, Yeah,

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01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:28.079
for sure, Aspen, this is this is the first time

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01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:32.159
that you've made it through the original series. You've made

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01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:35.960
it through Voyager, You've made it through what other Star

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01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:36.720
Trek have you watched?

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01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:39.439
Strange Human worlds?

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01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:43.880
The first time with the Star Trek the original series.

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01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.439
Yep, first time watching every single episode.

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01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:50.800
If you had to pitch this to a complete stranger,

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01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:54.640
and you do because of the podcast, this not just

1465
01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:57.239
not the podcast, just like Star Trek the original series.

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01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:00.479
I'm like, because there's a way to pitch the one.

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01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.279
You say it at the top every time.

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01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:02.760
That's true.

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01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:04.000
Do not remember what you say?

1470
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:04.359
Uh?

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01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:07.000
What are your thoughts? What are your feelings about Star

1472
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:09.760
Trek the original series? What do you think? What are

1473
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:10.760
you taking away from it?

1474
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:20.039
Wow? Wow, wow, wow? I think on the whole I

1475
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:23.800
love Star Trek original series. I think I will always

1476
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:29.840
I'm always gonna love the way it feels, the characters.

1477
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:32.319
I'm always gonna wish it had been a little bit more,

1478
01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:36.119
and also understand why it wasn't. I think one of

1479
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.279
the biggest themes that I think is important that I'm

1480
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:42.039
going to keep coming back to is sort of like

1481
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.880
the same George Lucas ask, like, you know, myth of

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01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.600
the Great the Great Man, myth of Roddenberry. Like, I

1483
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:53.199
think from a sort of production standpoint, it's really interesting.

1484
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.479
I think important to keep that contextualization in place because

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01:27:57.520 --> 01:27:59.720
I think it's important for us to know where are

1486
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:04.359
stories come from and to be critical and thoughtful of them.

1487
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:07.039
And then also at the same time, like Star Trek

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01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:09.119
Original series as a matter if I gave us a

1489
01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.319
point five, the amount like what it gave to culture

1490
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:14.520
is pretty like is tremendous, and what it gave to

1491
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:18.920
the rest of what would become this huge, this huge

1492
01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:23.840
work of Star Trek is incredible. So it's sort of

1493
01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:27.479
like your uncle that sometimes says something racist and you're

1494
01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:33.520
like thanks, then he like gives you like a chocolate

1495
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:37.840
bar and you're like, okay, thank you. And also like

1496
01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:40.439
he's got he like gave birth, He gave birth, he

1497
01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:44.319
like has some cool kids that are your cool cousins,

1498
01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:47.239
you know, and you're like, I love these guys. It's

1499
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:48.079
kind of like what it does.

1500
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:57.000
I can't top that, so I'm not going to uh false.

1501
01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.840
If you two would like to celebrate your slightly racist

1502
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.479
and the track up bars that they've given you, why

1503
01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:04.159
don't you hit us up on our social media accounts.

1504
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:07.199
So we're on Blue Sky, Instagram, at track wars Pod. Additionally,

1505
01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:10.079
you can send us an email trek wordspod at gmail

1506
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:13.800
dot com and finally hop over to our Patreon Patreon

1507
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.119
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1508
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:18.159
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1509
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.199
episodes and extended versions of these episodes. And you two

1510
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:24.239
could join the fine for uh you could you too,

1511
01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:27.680
join the auspices of fine folks such as Timbo De Sosa,

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01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:32.119
Eddie Rodgers, Kevin Miller, Arizona, Mark Austin Aaron, the albav

1513
01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:36.800
Cactus otherwise known as Nick Urruti Librarian Nick, and lastly,

1514
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:40.560
but certainly not leastly Jolty Partner, who are composed our

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01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:43.640
I Starship at theme Song Our main theme song is

1516
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:47.760
by mister tosin our Fesso. Please visit the show notes

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01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:51.000
below to hit up some more of his work. You

1518
01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:53.960
saw his work, listen to some of his other music.

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01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:57.800
Am I forgetting anything else that's one? No, Rate and

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01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:00.680
review us while you're at it. It is our hundredth episode.

1521
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:03.399
We've been doing this for a while now, and if

1522
01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:06.199
you'd like anything that has come across your ears, just

1523
01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:08.640
leave us a review on the podcast or of your choice,

1524
01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:12.920
but you know, preferably Apple podcasts because that's probably where

1525
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.520
most people listen to their podcasts. Either that or Spotify.

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01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:16.960
Anything else that's been.

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No except that I love you Aspen.

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01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:23.880
I love you so much. Thanks for one hundred episodes.

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01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:27.319
Here's to one hundred more. May the Force be with

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01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:29.720
you and live long and prosper