Age-ism & The Wizard of Oz

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the online local Internet's favorite source for answering

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the most important question and fandom.
Which is better Star Wars or Star Trek.

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I am Kenny Madison, the Star
Trek contingent with me as per always

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is the co host with the mo
host It's am I spin Webster, and

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today both myself and my Southern Fried
co hosts will be covering the season Scepter

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from Star Wars E Walks versus h
an old episode The Deadly Years from Star

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Trek the original series. You didn't
ask me. You didn't ask me what

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my side was? What's your side? I don't got no sad. I

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got my own sad here in the
deep West South. What bing big being?

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No? I am your friend,
So I say this, with all

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due respect, what's wrong with you? I'm running out of bits? I

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just yeah, I don't pre plan
things, Kenny. Sometimes it works and

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sometimes it doesn't. I understand.
That's the joy. That's the joy comedy.

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My my good dude, my guy, my guy, uh, my

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guy. Uh. Speaking of my
guys, I'm just gonna launch to the

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synopsis of The Deadly Years for full
who that are playing the home game.

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Oh my gosh, We're going right
into it. We're going right into it.

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Aired December eighth, nineteen sixty seven, director Joseph Pevney, writer David

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P. Harmon from the syndicated column
Tvkey Previews from writer Stephen H. Shaw.

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Published on December eighth, nineteen sixty
seven. I was featured in the

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Mansfield, Ohio News Journal. Deadly
Years another imaginative tale that is well worth

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watching tonight and involves a strange visit
to a planet which injects all who land

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on it with a galloping case of
old age and death. Everyone that is,

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except for one person. Although Captain
Kirk, mister Spock, and McCoy

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are all smitten with an advanced stage
of old age and infirmities. It is

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Chekhov, who also landed out of
the planet, who escapes. The enigma

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of Chekhov's continuing good health and youth
finally lead to a discovery of a cure,

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but not before a number of people
have died of hory old age and

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the Captain himself is removed from command. An intriguing episode, hoary old Age,

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Yes, cool, calm down,
nice, sexy, sexy hoy old

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I don't I don't think it's that. I don't. You don't think that's

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what the hory means. No,
I believe it's, at least according to

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the New Oxford American Dictionary, means
grayish white or old and trite. Ah,

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old and trite. What an interesting
old and trite? Mm hmmm,

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yes, I would call most of
them hory. Then in this episode,

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Uh, I'll get into freaking Kirk
with Janet Wallace. Good. Oh my

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god, I'm excited. As I
was watching this, I was thinking to

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myself, and I'll get into you
walks here in a second. But I

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was thinking to myself, wow,
wow, wow, Kenny, And are

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you gonna have a lot to talk
about this because you feel a particular way

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about the way that age is represented
in media and older people especially. Yeah,

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and I have personal baggage about people
losing their memory. Great panic attacks

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are associated with both of us for
the deadly years. I was like watching

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Witchell uh and my sweet sweet partner
and he was like, he was like,

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oh, this is a this is
a fun one for you, and

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I was just like, ah ho
ah, so okay't wait. I was

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I'm like, man, I really
hope Kenny has hot takes Ah. He

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walks though hot takes galore and hot
and by hot takes, I mean hot

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sun King hot takes. We will
yeah to my new favorite character of Ah.

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These little buddies did h the best
thing I've ever seen anything except since

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Babu Fricks, since Skywalker. The
season Scepter you Walk's episode season two,

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episode eight came out November one,
nineteen eighty six. Let's see, I'm

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gonna find a better one. Just
a quick description, This one's a little

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better. Latara and Nissa are basking
and the summer sun when the balmy weather

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turns bitterly cold. Fearing that his
magic caused this deep freeze, Tebo travels

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with his friends to the Leaf Queen's
Palace learn a little bit more about it

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is that it is not Tibo's fault, even though he did cause the wind

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to happen. It is that a
new witch bitch has taken over I love

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of witch bitch has done some I
don't know which bitch powers on the on

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a snow king and has turned all
of and door to winter so that they're

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they're trying to get the sun star. Basically, in an effort to get

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the sun star and so we get
to see all the seasons are represented,

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including My Dude, My Man,
the Sun Case. So a great time

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for all. Great, that's been
great synopsis reading. Wow, so much

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aplosph me. Yeah, it's a
great it's a great reading. Two episodes

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that are definitely about things this week. They are about things. Yeah,

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funny. Two episodes that I was
like, these are fun and yeah,

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and some cool stuff happens and they're
they're fine. Yeah, well it's so

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good. We have some good times. And also sometimes there's an entire hearing

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where they just repeat everything that was
literally just shown on screen. You know,

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I don't know. Yeah, we're
so we're in first impressions, and

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I think The Deadly Years is one
of the weaker episodes. Yeah, of

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this, do you do you the
questions that I like to ask Aspen,

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do you remember watching this? I've
never seen this episode. I've never seen

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this episode. We are getting into
the realm of I don't know if I

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ever got to the end of season
two or into season three barely at all.

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Excellent, wonderful, what a great
spot for you to be. Yeah,

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my my personal association with this episode
is that I genuinely this is not

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a bit. Oh. I have
had panic attacks in the past over media

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where people age rapidly. So did
my text to you the joke old twenty

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twenty one director in might Shyamalan freak
you out. I have not watched that

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movie, but I whenever I was
watching that trailer in theaters, I was

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just like kidney, genuinely getting uncomfortable. I recently saw a movie with you.

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We watched the documentary for the making
of the Star Wars Holiday Special,

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and during the trailer for The Boy
and the Heron, you literally ducked your

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head down and covered your eyes.
Oh yeah, let's talk about this,

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uh I. And my guess was
it was because you didn't want to be

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spoiled on anything. Yeah. I
also was like, is it because you're

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freaked out? Very good? No, your first association was correct, because

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the meta narrative that has been pedaled
downline is that Miazaki is really not wanting

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people to go see things like It
was released in Japan without any promotion except

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for a poster. Oh well,
it was very it was very funny.

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Yeah. Sorry, No, I
was just I was amped for a press

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cicle like that because I feel like
at this point you know, if you're

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going to see a Muzaki film or
not, that's it. Yes, okay,

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Well while you had your head ducked, they came by and brought your

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cookies and I had to be like, yes, those are his cookies.

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Okay, I appreciate it. The
dude was like, uh. I was

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like, don't worry about him.
I appreciate Hey, I appreciate your service.

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I think that the benefit of that
that trailer, for what it's worth

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is I leaned over to Joel and
I went, guess who does the voice

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for the heron? And he goes
Willem Dafoe, and I went, no,

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Robert Pattinson, Hey, I hope
that's okay to reveal because it is.

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Yeah, because I'm gonna go see
the subtitled version, okay whenever if

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I go see it in theaters,
I would really like to go see it

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in theaters. Yeah, I should
make the time to go see it in

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theaters because I'm receiving me as aca
film in theaters. But we're not talking

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about me. Sorry, sorry,
sorry, sorry, but yeah, yeah,

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yeah you couldn't. Okay. So
it wasn't like while you're in the

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theater, is watching the trailer for
Old You were hiding your face from it.

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You just felt deeply uncomfortable. Yes, because I've had panic attacks about

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this stuff in the past. The
film bite Centennial Man be panic attack,

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yep, tell me a beautiful mind
gave me a panic attack. Oh,

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because yeah, he just gets old
normally, but it's in a compressed amount

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of time. My friends back in
high school, because I had weird friends,

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they really wanted to go see The
Curious Case of Benjamin Button, and

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I was just like, please,
can we not go see that? And

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so every time in my star trek
Rewatch I've come towards this episode, I

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started getting the squigglies in the bottom
of my tummy. And then just watching

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this episode now and remembering the last
time that I watched this episode, I'm

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just like, this is not a
great episode fundamentally. Fundamentally it's fine because

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this is an episode that has one
idea, what if they get old fast

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yep? And then does nothing,
nothing with it? Nothing with it?

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It flirts with Janet Wallace. Yeah
literally, uh, in the sense of

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like what if a you had this
old flame come back and now suddenly you're

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growing old? Like it flirts with
it but it doesn't go anywhere with it,

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like couldn't could you imagine like an
interesting exploration of like the way that

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we see aging and the idea that
people become that the aging process automatically makes

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us unattractive and revolting like but instead
it was more just like framed as well,

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you're going to die and that's a
real bummer, uh, Which there

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is also something there as well,
because one of the terrifying things is that

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you can't do anything regarding old age. It's going to happen, which is

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the terrifying That is the terrifying thing. What if can Okay, Kenny,

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what is your comfort level with like
the vulnerability because I'm there with you of

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digging into why this squiks us out
so much? Uh? I trust you?

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Okay? Do you trust people listening? No? I don't know.

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Fair absolutely not. I am inherently
distrustful of anyone that listens to our podcast.

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And if you think that I'm not
talking about you, I promise I'm

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talking about you. Specifically, you
stop your car, pull your bike over,

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freakin' take a selfie and send it
to us trek warspod at gmail dot

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com. This is you, and
this is send us a picture of you

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listen to us just mock you mercilessly, as we were about to be vulnerable

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about our inherent fear of aging,
yes, and the way that we feel

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strange about it being reflected in media
as horrific, and because this has come

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up with the way that you view
certain films. I think we had actually

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we talked about this about the film
x oh, Yes, a film that

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I detest and I think is very
ageist. You think that I actually saw

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it as a commentary on agism,
and that I think it actually was turning

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and it's on its head. Disagree
to say, yeah, and see,

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I think it was smart enough to
be like commenting on it. Disagree.

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I think that movie is, and
quite rightly so, is enthralled with schlock

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and is therefore I want to deliver
sensation. I want to deliver some good

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scares, and so that movie just
to change that by any means necessary,

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That's fine. I understand that wild. Yeah, I saw it from the

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like West Craven perspective, scream esque
of we are purposefully commenting on the shlockiness

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and the like the this shock value
of seventies films, you know, the

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very fact that they're filming or porn
and what does that mean? And it's

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like, what is what are we
saying about this? Not just doing it?

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It's it's not so straightforward. It
is commentary on the thing and therefore

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putting me a goth into old woman
makeup and really like sitting with the sexuality

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piece of it. And I think
it's forcing us to be like, why

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am I getting so squiked out by
this old woman wanting to explore her sexuality?

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I think there could be something thoughtful
there, but I think the way

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and again this is the track Wars
podcast, not the ex Wars podcast,

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but I think but I do think
that, like the the idea of how

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we treat age is still relevant here, oh very much so. I think

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the way that that film is shot
is saying face value statements about hey,

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isn't this complicated? But at the
end of the day, the way that

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they are filming the older folks in
that and the way that they are made

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up and framed and all of those
things, I believe it is having them

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be disgusting just through their bodies their
existence. I wonder if and also it

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would it would There are also no
other older characters in that movie to present

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any older folks with dignity, and
so they now older folks. The older

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folks and X are just serving as
a monolith of all old people are disgusting.

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We are young Vira hotties, especially
kid Cutty. Everyone is very hot

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in that on purpose. Yeah,
I do wonder if having seen Pearl first

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actually affected how I thought about X. I think Parl is much better film

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because I had I had the background
of that character in advance of the kind

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of sadness, So maybe I did
get see her humanized outside of the dehumanization

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of aging, of which we do. Case point uh. As soon as

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our characters begin to get older in
the Deadly years, they feel dehumanized pretty

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darn quickly, incredibly fast, instead
of becoming well rounded characters are dealing with.

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This could have been a meditation on
literally dealing with something that all of

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us are dealing with at all times, and the dread of sorry, you

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can't do anything, and instead it
becomes a trial show. Oh, which

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is like? Which is so?
It is so bone headed The characters behave

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in such stupid ways because it feels
like they have nothing else to say,

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or the things that they could say
are so powerfully uncomfortable. It's it's it's

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deeply upsetting that it is deeply upsetting. It's deeply upsetting because it deeply upsetting.

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We are deeply upset. Here's the
thing. Pull your car over and

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take a selfie, and take u
selfie and about how upset you are about

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us being upset. I do hope
that we just get a large swath of

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folks that listen to us with just
big honk and frownie faces. Wow,

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you gotta take a selfie and set
you have to. There is a really

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great line though, in this where
one of the officers had gone down and

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she's like aging considerably faster because she's
like sallow because she's so small. I

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guess has high metabolism or something.
And she stands up and there's a fucking

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mirror there, so she has to
look at her face and she goes,

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that's a stupid place to hang a
mirror. There was so fund be fair,

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we've never seen that mirror before.
I'm pretty sure we will never see

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that mirror ever again. Is she
wrong? You're no wrong, You're no

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wrong. She's like, why why
in this moment of my pain? Yeah?

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Oh man, there there is some
good stuff in here. Check off

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the entire episode, just grumpy,
take some simple check, take your shirt

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up. Check. Yeah, there's
a lot of interest, like there's it's

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one of those where it's like there's
a lot of like little seeds that could

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have been oak trees and instead we're
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uh asmen. Yeah, uh no, I what yeah, no, I

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need to talk about this now because
if I don't, it will seem out

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of character to just bring this up
later. But if if the court would

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permit me, oh permitted, thank
you, counselor can you call me solictener?

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You thank you solictener, solicitener.
It's like I'm gonna finish now.

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I'm gonna drop something in here in
the chat, and I want you to

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click that link for me. Yikes, YIXX, yikes y xx. What

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am I clicking? What am I
clicking? To serve All my Days?

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Phase two episodes? Now, look
at that Look at that poster aspen all.

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I had this thought where I was
like, you can't have checkof be

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the one who ages, because then
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Yes, I'm looking at the poster. Okay, so there's a fan

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film sequel to this episode that is
written by DC Fontana and stars Walter Kanigg

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and is I've seen it exactly once
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devastated. I don't say this lightly. Maybe this many years later it would

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not age that great, but I
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Star Trek. Sorry, not age
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the episode itself has not aged that
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the great episodes of Star Trek period. This fan film, this fan film,

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yeah, written by DC Fontana,
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where finally the virus just finally catches
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just like, we can't do anything. It's it's clearly, it's clearly not

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we can't solve this with Hyronoalin.
We can't do anything. You're gonna die.

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a meditation on what you've done in
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Walter Knigg some real meat to play
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It becomes a it becomes a character
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talking with past Chekhov if I yeah, if this episode had been so in

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their aging, which is not just
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It's crazy how quickly Kirk's memory starts
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terrifies it terrifies me. A lot
of it is made a joke.

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Yeah, suddenly suddenly Bones is bad
at his job and is just a country

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doctor and is like grumpier than he's
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just wants to take a nap,
you know, like that's an age thing.

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I want to take a nap now
all the time. The only one

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who has any modicum of like respect
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not because he, like vulcans,
live longer, he's not aging as quickly.

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But everyone, it's like a fucking
joke, and it's not funny.

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It's not a funny joke. I'm
not laughing, Kenny, And you know

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what, I laugh yeah loud,
you go like this, but you laugh

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that's me. I letna get you, I get your bones. Yeah,

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it feels gross, it feels shitty. I'm mad, I'm mad about it.

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I didn't realize I was mad about
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interesting because obviously the episode does not
convey this, but writer David P.

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Harmon uh from it. These are
the Voyages, Season two by Mark Cushman.

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This quote, he says, I
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examining the American syndrome versus the uh
impart of the term. But this is

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Harmon's words oriental reverence of old age. The concept of youth and beauty is

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such a shallow one simply because it
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of truth I was looking for.
How important it is in the overall scheme

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of things in a person's life,
if at all. But we make it

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important. Yes, there's something in
that thought doesn't come across them, right,

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interesting sort of thing set up with
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flame Janet Wallace, doctor Wallace.
Yeah, who is beautiful? Uh.

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she had like this is gonna be
sound, so, I know, we

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just talked about like the like youth
and beauty. But I just like that

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her teeth were a little big.
I don't know. I found her to

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be like, yes, very fascinating, and the way she gently spoke.

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There's a lot of good things,
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were and like had a thing,
but they were on different life paths and

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what does this mean? So what
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in and just the absolute wasted opportunity, Yes, to just sit with the

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meditation on aging, Like what does
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talking about different cultural respect for elderly
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to be protected and to be listened
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like we do. You literally just
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you just threw them away like they
were weird and wilted, like they even

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they started putting them into like bigger
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them look like they were shrinking getting
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and yet made them feel small and
worthless, you know what I mean?

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throwing these people away. It's just
so interesting because the episode, the characters

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themselves quickly lose dignity, but everyone
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their dignity, which I feel like, at least with the society of nineteen

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I can't really say, but let's
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can even speak for a nineteen sixty. Ill haven't just speak for them?

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They're fine. It is not the
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their dignity, but it is the
culture that they are surrounded by because they

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no longer embody what is desirable or
something of the lizard brain of at least

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within Western society, that as soon
as one wrinkle appears, we get scared

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because that means that you are about
to That means that you are worthless,

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you have outlived, you're welcome,
you are no longer new. And I

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think I'm going to choice coach here. There could be something a lot more

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powerful, especially with an outsider commodore
on the ship, who could be I

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mean, first off, they're suffering
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them should have the wherewithal to be
like, yes, you're right, let's

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immediately quit our jobs. Now stay
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just makes them look foolish and shy. It makes them feel childish like,

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which is the worst thing I think
we can do is be like to infantilize

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elderly people and it's just weird.
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participate in this wonderful Star Trek trop
that I feel like happens a lot more

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in Next Generation where uh, Kurt
comes in or no, it's it's our

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blue shirted ensign that comes in and
is going, uh my hearing is studying

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too, and McCoy goes, well, I'm sure it's nothing important killed me.

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You just saw you just brought up
people from the planet that died of

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extreme old age. Yeah, you
have their records. You aren't immediately putting

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one to one together. Well,
I did interpret that within this that the

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show as it being like it's affecting
him already, sure, and that one

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of the effects of this aging I'm
McCoy, is for him to become a

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bad fucking doctor immediately, because he
keeps being a bad doctor and worse and

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worse from that point on. So
at first I was like, what the

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fuck are you talking about? And
then I was like, is that the

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intext reasoning for this. So yeah, it's but it's very frustrating. It's

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like, clearly there is something these
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that is another thing that is just
so frustrating with the depiction of older folks.

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This is a bad episode. I'm
just so bad it is. I think

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fundamentally it is a poorly written episode. And now I mean just to talk

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about the larger themes at present,
because you did mention that I have a

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because I think because I have such
since I was ten years old, I've

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had panic attacks regarding aging and death, really aging. Though it probably raises

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my hackles oh greatly to see older
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like I don't know, I just
I just really notice it because they're

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so so I frequently the narratives are
very often, at least older folks are

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very rarely narratives of discovery. It's
narratives of lament, narratives weren't things good

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back then, which is why the
film Up is great. Yeah, or

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narratives of being super horny, which
is wild. And also I had a

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professor back in college who was just
like whenever you're I believe he had written

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a book in regards to agism.
I think that was published in something not

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really important. The point is that
he was able to go Whenever you see

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older folks in media, usually they
are kind of boxed into their horny or

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their sassy, one of those things
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think about or they're cranky. They're
not really characters. They're two dimensional people.

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Think about Alan Arkin and little Bit
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to my mind, which is silly, is the film Grumpy Old Men.

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Sure, and also you have your
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grumpy old men. And also to
demonstrate that these two grumpy old men are

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actually still virile, they have an
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who is horny and grumpy and a
two dimensional character that only exists with jokes

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because we are so fundamentally uncomfortable with
getting older. Well, I do have

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a question though, about if there's
a differentiation factor here on gender, uh

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like, because all these like examples
you were talking about, because I was

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like the sexual like the sexualization of
it thing, I feel like it's only

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afforded to older men. Yep,
I don't think it. And they're older

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white men. I don't think that
it is afforded to other people. It

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is not something that older women get
to have. There's a whole realm of

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like the sexualization of black women when
they're young, and I'm not even sure

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I have any like basis of like
anything to be like, how do old

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black women get treated in film?
Except that they just become magical, you

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know, they become everybody's therapist,
I guess h And that's what they get

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to do. And now they're desexualized
entirely, Like now they're everybody's old grandma

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who makes some cookies. Uh huh. I want you to grab the table

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or grab some flat surface, all
right, a rat, and I want

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you to prepare your head to slam
into that flat surface. Oh boy,

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okay, I'm great. I'm great. I'll just like knock myself out.

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Well. Horror was supposed to be
on the Landing Party. Ah but Roddenberry

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didn't want Ahora to get old.
I fucking knew it. Of course.

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Season one, I fucking get old
because yeah, because God forbid that we

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make her anything other than like I
feel like all sometimes be like, oh

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real, look so hot in this, and then I recognize that I'm fully

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participating. And what we'll often do
is hyper sexualize younger black women very much

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as I'm excited for you to get
to the Star Trek five version of Ahura,

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who is oh oh and Star Trek
six, Yeah, woman is perfect.

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But by that time they had the
wherewithal to switch all of the crew

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members of all genders too uniform with
pants. Yeah, but Michelle Nichols was

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like, give me that skirt though, yeah, she knows what she wants.

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Yeah. Not to mention the fan
dance. You'll get to the fan

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dance in several movies. So I
want to pull I want to bring up

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this an interesting thing of this versus
e Woks outstanding because we are you know,

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it is funny. We are being
very much on the side of like,

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we don't respect elderly people. We're
not making space for them, we're

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taking away their agency. And also
we live in it. We live in

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a society, okay, Jared leto, We live in a little wire where

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it is elderly white men primarily that
hold all the power. M hm.

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So it's an interesting thing that we
do this and yet there is a huge

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swath of there's a swath of a
small swath of society that gets to determine

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fucking everything about us, you know, like whether we send billions of dollars

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worth of support and weapons for genocide
things like that, you know, like

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small things aha, and you know, can I have an abortion or not?

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And they still get afforded all the
luxury. I said that we're afforded

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so many times they get the luxury
of getting to have the most power,

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right, true, And so there
is still there's like a different kind of

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It's maybe it depends on what kind
of sector of things if you're a person

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in power, truly in power,
and you are protected as such, So

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it's not so black and white of
like, who are the people that we

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do decide are worthless? Yeah?
People, This episode, I mean Deadly

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Years comes down about all of these
people are worthless? Yeah, pretty fast.

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That feels like a very strong declaration. And also it's true, like

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the episode paints these folks who are
very good at their job. As soon

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as they get to be like forty
yeah, within their radiation sickness, they're

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just like done bad done bad at
their job. Stupid. At one point,

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Kirk is like, no, I'm
thirty four, and I was like,

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I'm thirty four. What have I
done? I'm not a starship gap.

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Also, he knows he's suffering from
radiation. It's so stupid. It's

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so stupid. The computer's like,
physically it's anywhere between sixteen and seventy four.

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And I was like, wow,
wow, wow, looking bad for

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sixteen and seventy four. My parents
are seventy and they look great. But

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uh, and He's just like,
no, I'm thirty four. I'm like,

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you're being such a fucking moron right
now. Yes, yeah, but

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this is not how sixty year olds
behave Anyways, e Walk's parallel in the

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p or like more of like the
how do we think about this? Which

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is like e Woks since we've established
as pretty strongly kids on bikes. In

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this episode, there is a huge
threat. So t Bow, for what

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it's worth, thinks that he is
the one who has caused olive indoor to

404
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.079
be covered in snow. Sweet little
baby boy, he is a silly billy,

405
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.639
and they are trying to go find
low Gray to be like yikes.

406
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.159
They find the sun Star the Leaf
Queen is talking through the sun Star,

407
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:22.320
which a lot of questions come up
for me, like, turns out it's

408
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.679
a communication device. How does she
talk to him? You know? Right,

409
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.079
Low Gray is not there. They're
thinking this is our fault. So

410
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:34.000
we have to go to the Leaf
Queen and the Son King and whatever and

411
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.519
go figure this out and fix it, right. We have to be the

412
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:44.679
ones. The idea of kids on
bikes is always that the adults are never

413
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:52.480
like listening. They are never present
to actually fix the problem. They're like

414
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.920
gone, And so in this case
actually fulfills it. It's Low Gray,

415
00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.320
like fucking Dumbledore is just gone and
you're like, okay, well he can't

416
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.719
help us because he's out covered in
snow. I don't know. And so

417
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.280
we have to be the ones to
fix it. And I think that the

418
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.840
Ewoks show respects them. I do
think every time they save the day,

419
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.360
no, like no, that's not
true. Sometimes they are like yes and

420
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.199
no, because clearly Chirp and Lo
Gray know what the heck to do,

421
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.559
right right. I think they're a
little bit more competent in season one,

422
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:29.159
which is the wildest thing to say, as opposed to in season two,

423
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:35.400
which is firmly templated kids on Bikes
territory, as opposed to the amorphous structure

424
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.960
where any episode could be anything in
season one and we had no sense of

425
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.360
character. Season two is great.
Yeah, just also want to put this

426
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:51.440
out there. This episode was funny. They've been funny lately. Sorry,

427
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.719
But to go on to the point, I don't think that I have any

428
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:59.679
greater thesis outside of agreeing with you. There's a little bit of competency,

429
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.639
but also adults in kids not Like
things have competency every once in a while,

430
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.360
when needed, when needed, when
they're there, when they're not late,

431
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:15.880
and when they're like And I guess
the greatest sort of connection I'm drawing

432
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:22.480
is like who we decide is capable
and competent, And it is very interesting

433
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.920
to have an episode full of like, the older you get, the stupider

434
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.840
and less competent you get. And
in Ewoks, these children are very competent.

435
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:36.480
They don't get it perfectly done,
but they do it right. And

436
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.360
I guess the adults are competent,
but not so much. The difference here

437
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.559
Wicket, who's driving a lot of
the action, is wanting to participate.

438
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.880
I was like, this is deeply
out of character. It would be Nisa

439
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:59.440
Wicket only accidentally does things well.
No, yes, Nissa does things well.

440
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.960
It makes the choices for the group
because he wants to honor his honor

441
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.280
belt. He wants to get more
things for his honor belt, and he

442
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:13.039
gets a hockey stick for his honor
belt. Canada is inserting itself. Well,

443
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:21.400
Canada wins in this one. Canada
wins. Yeah, And I mean

444
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:27.760
I maybe that's like, yeah,
to continue on with that. But Odra

445
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:35.960
Ye, our girl boss, the
Duchess of Sleet, uses her feminine wiles

446
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:43.000
to pervert the heart of the snow
King so she can grab the SunStar.

447
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:52.639
Hory. That's what I'm horri versus
horr lover, truly lover. She was

448
00:40:52.719 --> 00:41:00.480
like, knew what she was up
to, fucking wanted it. I loved

449
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.320
it. I was like, as
soon as you showed up, I was

450
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.639
like, please stick around. And
unfortunately she didn't. She got defeated,

451
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:08.239
and I was just like, she
got wicked. Witch of the West died.

452
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.199
There's a lot of uh. There
was a lot of a Wizard of

453
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.079
Oz references in this very much so
they literally did the like oh oh oh,

454
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.800
but they did it as snow wheel, and I was like, is

455
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.000
this legally accepted? I mean,
as then we forget that the adventures of

456
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:29.440
the episode start with a big honk
and gust of wind. It's true.

457
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.599
So I mean, is this just
a Wizard of Oz homage? Yeah,

458
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.840
yeah, it just is. Yeah. And then whenever they're able to restore

459
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.159
the king at the end and be
able to go home, they're able to

460
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.760
restore the status quo. They even
abduct Nissa, which is kind of like

461
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.760
abducting Dorothy, and then the other
three have to go rescue her. Is

462
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.519
this Wizard of Oz? I mean
at first I was like, this is

463
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.480
clear, but most definitely she literally
gets melted at the end, but instead

464
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.199
of melting and dying, she just
gets shrunk. Yeah, because we don't

465
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:07.440
want to kill anyone except for that
one part in Droids where the guy contracted

466
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.639
transparency and faded out of existence,
and that was terrifying. It is very

467
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:16.199
terrifying. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's funny. I guess I wasn't.

468
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.280
I wasn't even thinking about it,
so one to one, but it literally

469
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:27.400
is. It's like very but yeah, it's a it's a funny. It's

470
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:32.760
a funny one The we hinted at
this at the top, the best to

471
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.400
me, the best part of the
entire episode, and when I literally was

472
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.880
vibrating, I was vibrating with absolute
glee. Was that fucking sun King?

473
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:49.199
Sun King. Now, I did
a brief amount of research because the surfer

474
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.719
bro archetype was a fresh archetype at
this point in time, right fast times

475
00:42:53.719 --> 00:43:00.679
at Ridgemont High, which I think
Sean Penn's iconic performance is Specoli codifies what

476
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.480
the surfer bro is, and that
comes out in nineteen eighty two. This

477
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.119
episode comes out in nineteen eighty six, and it's definitely a riff on Spacoli

478
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:15.519
for sure. And we were talking
about ages and characters and suddenly not having

479
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.320
not being vibrant and just being rubes. And there is nothing about the Sun

480
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:25.719
King where he is an ineffectual king, an ineffectual ruler. He just likes

481
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.760
to be mellow. He just hangs
yeah, dude, Because leadership can look

482
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.800
many ways. They can. There's
some interesting characterization because the Leaf Queen is

483
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:44.480
presumably she is autumn and he is
summer, and then there's the Snow King,

484
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.519
who is winter. And then they
have a sister who's like the flower

485
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:54.039
queen and she's a spring and she
is a ball of anxiety. And I

486
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:59.400
just thought the characterization of everyone was
so funny, like it was just like

487
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.599
everybody's got such like very and I
was just like, I guess is spring?

488
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.320
Would we characterize spring as anxious?
And I would say, yes,

489
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.800
we do, Like, uh,
Winter is icy, I mean, but

490
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.480
cozy when he's not iced over by
a witch bitch, he's cozy. Summers

491
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.519
like chill. Apparently Autumn has it
together, but like Spring is just like,

492
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.679
oh boy, oh, I'm just
I just wasn't ready for this.

493
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.960
And you're like, yeah, that
seems about right. What a silly little

494
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.119
thing. I loved it, but
yeah that's sun king. He was like

495
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:37.960
basically like when they did it,
when they like succeed and I get the

496
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:43.079
staff back, He's just like,
whoa, the little dudes did it.

497
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:52.199
I loved it so much, cruding, I'm gonna rip my pants with joy,

498
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.480
not like the seed of my pants, Like I'm like holding the hem

499
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:02.400
up my pants like with you know, like when people get like cuteness aggression.

500
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.400
But I'm just like surfer dude,
no, I asked, when I

501
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:10.519
get your metaphor is quite clear it's
not a metaphor because you're holding well yeah,

502
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:16.800
yeah, anyway, they're funny moments. How does she expect us to

503
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:22.800
get there? A flying leaf?
And then a flying leaf repairs good shit,

504
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.960
good comedy. Ewoks is firing on
all cylinders at this moment in time.

505
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:32.880
And also at the same time,
the episode is fine, if that

506
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.679
makes sense. I mean, it's
still a higher tier of Ewoks that we've

507
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.519
watched. It's true. And also
I'm still sitting here and just so,

508
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:46.760
I had a conversation with someone over
the past week and talking about honestly,

509
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:52.079
this might have been your partner,
Joel, my partner, Jowel, maybe

510
00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:00.239
Wow or or whatever, don't really
someone else's part or Joe. Yeah,

511
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:10.000
that's right, but talking about how
the joy of loving something holy and completely

512
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.679
and the fun of loving all the
Star Trek and loving all of Star Wars

513
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:22.159
and going all of it is real, All of this is part of the

514
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:28.280
text that makes up Star Wars as
a larger whole, and finding our way

515
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.960
into loving Ewoks or at worst,
you know, liking Ewoks, because I

516
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:39.320
think you and I have been able
to create an appreciation for this show exactly

517
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:45.719
what it is. Yeah, as
opposed to something like we might prefer something

518
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.320
else if we were not doing this
very large project. And I will joke

519
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.480
sometimes I'll be like, oh,
to watch all of e walks, But

520
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:53.960
like every time I sit down to
watch it, I'm like, I'm having

521
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:57.679
fun. It's like twenty minutes of
my day to be like, fuck,

522
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.880
yeah, this is a good app. I think I was actually talking to

523
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:06.559
my partner Joel about this where he
said something like it's interesting when you have

524
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:10.920
on guests because they come in with
this perspective of not having watched e Woks

525
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:16.920
for months now and they just see
it. And I so it is true

526
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.119
that it is interesting to have an
outside perspective, but I think we have

527
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.760
cultivated something very specific, and the
way I like to describe it of like

528
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:31.559
these shows teach us how to watch
them. And You're right, there's nothing

529
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:43.519
in a world where insincerity and being
down about things is the cool thing to

530
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:49.000
be and being excited and passionate about
something is weird and makes you a little

531
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.000
dummy weirdo, which I guess has
changed with like nerd culture and ship.

532
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.280
But people all my life have been
like basically like calm the fuck down,

533
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.679
stop loving things. So much like
what the fuck is wrong with you?

534
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:06.239
And I never stopped and it only
took me into like my adulthood to be

535
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:13.119
like, I genuinely don't care.
I'm gonna be thrilled about things. You

536
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.840
know. It's just like like to
actually just be like, this is fun

537
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:16.719
to watch. I know it's an
Ey Walks episode, and you know what,

538
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:21.639
fuck, yeah, that's great.
Is a real you know, it's

539
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:27.519
a real. I think negativity projects
strength. Negativity isn't necessarily strength, but

540
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:35.639
from an outside perspective, negativity can
project strength because as a society. We

541
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:46.280
we live in a society, and
I think there if someone doesn't like something

542
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:52.440
about us, there may just be
a reflexive element of going, well,

543
00:48:52.480 --> 00:49:00.079
we can fix that and become better. Uh huh. Except what happens whenever

544
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:07.679
the entire dialogue of Today It's Day
and Age seems to exist solely for a

545
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:13.639
negativity for well, not solely,
but there is a good portion of bad

546
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:20.239
faith negativity that is not seeming to
be creating something that is actually more meaningful,

547
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:27.079
but attempts to project strength because you
want attention. Granted, we just

548
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:31.480
spent the first half of this episode
clowning on deadly gears. And also I

549
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:37.920
think we have good reason too because
there is And then I also was like,

550
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.239
not only is this a bad episode, here's another episode of a Star

551
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:50.480
Trek that does this premise better.
Well from me fan film, not to

552
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.480
be like we're different, but there's
a huge difference between critically looking at a

553
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.800
thing and I think there was like
stuff in that episode to enjoy, but

554
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:04.719
the reason we're mad at it is
because of a disrespect of it to an

555
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:06.800
entire group of people. Do you
know what I mean? Like, it's

556
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:13.239
about the way that it feels cruel, and I think going back to ewoks

557
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:20.639
and going back to liking something holy
and finding your way into appreciation of a

558
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:30.480
thing. I think at one point
criticism was rebellious. But I'm thinking of

559
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:37.039
just comedy in general, because we
are comedians same yea, and thinking about

560
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.920
thinking about the journey of comedy,
and it is much easier to just talk.

561
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.960
Yeah, it's much easier to do
comedy by criticizing, it is much

562
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:55.960
more difficult to be sincere is more
difficult to like something. And I think

563
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:06.880
liking something or loving something wholly,
even with its flaws, there's a degree

564
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:15.320
of rebelliousness. That is, I
don't want to see dangerous, more challenging,

565
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:23.159
yeah, more riskier. Yeah.
Well, I'm going to put it

566
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:32.800
the way I often think of this
as in coded like gendered codes like we

567
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:39.519
I think because of you know,
some classic keywords here. But this is

568
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:44.400
just the truth of it, a
real wide supremacist like patriarchal kind of structure

569
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:49.039
where you are going to respect things
that are masculine coded more than things that

570
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.920
are feminine code, whether or not
those are actually relevant or associated in any

571
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:59.559
way. But that plus like in
status language, which is like what we

572
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.480
consider or like high status versus low
status, and high status is something to

573
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:08.800
be better respected. High status often
is associated with like apathy or being too

574
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.639
cool for something, not being emotionally
affected by something, because that is coded

575
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.840
feminine and therefore lesser. And so
you are able to obtain and sustain your

576
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:24.559
high fucking status in this world that
decides that it's better to be that,

577
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.920
and in loving something, you're vulnerable
and that's not good. So let's bring

578
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.960
this back to Eox because I like
this. I like this tangent that you

579
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.760
went on because, like you said, even though Wicket is bad at his

580
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:46.440
job. Textually, Nissa is better
at her job who gets kidnapped in the

581
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:52.199
ep YEP, which is pretty classic, by the way. Yeah, and

582
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.920
it's also partly because this is the
other problem, by the way with these

583
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.760
things, is you like Nissa has
the like Hermione issue of movie her miny

584
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.880
issue of like being too competent,
so you have to like take her competence

585
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:10.360
away somehow. And if she were
like gets to like be a dummy sometimes

586
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.239
like Wicket, it could be nicer. But so that's that's a part of

587
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:22.920
it. It's also bold for it's
bold for he walks to characterize Wicket as

588
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:28.280
a leader, but also he's kind
of dumb about it. He likes to

589
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.519
adventure, but he very often likes
to adventure for selfish reasons. Yeah,

590
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:37.239
he's like a little jock. That's
pretty great. I enjoy that characterization tremendously

591
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:44.400
because you just don't see that period
you see the headstrong little boy warrior who

592
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.920
runs in because he wants to save
things. I mean, yeah, I

593
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:51.880
guess, I don't know. I
feel like I'm gonna pull another Harry Potter

594
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.559
one in here because it's kids on
bikes. But that's what Harry Potter's like

595
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.119
sometimes it's selfish, sometimes he's a
little dummy. He's but he's brave and

596
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:05.000
he's loving these kinds and but he's
also a little stupid butt. And here's

597
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:09.719
Hermione, who's like it's almost like
too capable. Again, better characterization in

598
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:15.559
the books of you get more time
to be complex. But so, I

599
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:20.079
don't know, he kind of is
a little classic little boy hero. And

600
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.159
I've often said I wish we could
have more little girl here, like I

601
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:28.239
like, I'll sometimes be like I've
asked the question before, in what properties

602
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.039
do we get to have these like
dumb young girl like not dummy, I

603
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.480
don't mean dumb like that, but
I mean like stupid young girls. Stupid

604
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.920
young girls like girls I get to
make mistakes, not be great at things,

605
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.559
but are still the main character and
still growing and learning. Uh.

606
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.599
And you don't often get that.
You have to get this like hyper capable.

607
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.719
And I'm thinking like young adult stuff
specifically like things for amazings for yeah,

608
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:55.840
because you overcorrect because you're saying feminism, but yeah, that's not necessarily

609
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:05.000
depiction does not necessarily I mean you're
doing a feminism correctly. Oh yeah,

610
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.760
And then I'm sure there'd be plenty
people who are like, listen, I'm

611
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.559
reading a lot of current YA stuff
and I see a lot of things and

612
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:14.760
that's not what we're getting. Farther
farther away from that, we're getting queerer

613
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.000
and that's good. And if you
are reading some good way stuff that bucks

614
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:22.000
that trend, please send us an
email trek warspot at gmail dot com or

615
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.960
visit us on socials, Instagram,
or blue sky at trek wars Pod.

616
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:35.159
It's why I liked the It was
a cute kids show. But Bella was

617
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.480
in it, Twilight, not that
Bella what's their last name, Bella who

618
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.599
was in Last of Us at Ramsey. Bella Ramsey was in it, and

619
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:47.159
they were they're great, like truly
like an exceptional actor of generation. And

620
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:52.360
it was The Worst Witch and it
was about like a girl who was a

621
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:58.119
witch who she wasn't good. She
like it came out like the books came

622
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.199
out like before Harry Potter and two
and it's she goes to this witch school

623
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:05.559
and she's not a great west and
I but she's like but she's you know,

624
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:13.280
interesting and has interesting character and has
friends and loves things and is trying

625
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.599
and she's making mistakes. She's got
real wicked energy, and I'm like that,

626
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.840
I want that all the time.
You know it sounds like you really

627
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:25.119
love that shows. I really liked
it. They obviously Bella got like really

628
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:29.239
big and was like this is They
kept it going and they recast them,

629
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.599
but with Bella in it, I
was just like, this is some good

630
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:38.000
shit. It's a good show.
Speaking of good ship, I think it's

631
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:45.559
time that we go to some good
ships. Oh stop, start start your

632
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:53.639
engines a long time ago. Start
dating. This week, I quoted a

633
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:59.559
boat, I dated a game,
but none of them could warm blind drive

634
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:07.159
in to hyper Space. The best
of both worlds kept me in the second

635
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:17.159
place. Captain's log on Paula Kron
I wanted a song. I pend a

636
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:30.320
song. Seventeen more minutes advise in
Super High Def USS Enterprise dt F.

637
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.599
Don't you take my walk lighter and
clip it? Don't you take my wretchird

638
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:43.440
buddy and nip it. If you
spill the tea, I'm gonna sip it.

639
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:49.360
I starship it. One of these
days, one of these It's just

640
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.400
one of those days. Speaking of
it just being one of those days,

641
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.880
Thank you, partner Joel for that
amazing song as what what are we about

642
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:00.159
to do? Ah? Yes,
we are going to identify both have favorite

643
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:05.760
ships, order vehicles and the respective
properties, picking either one and then our

644
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:13.679
respective romantic ships of choice. So
let's me say, let's start with our

645
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:19.840
ships. So funny we did that
episode with our buddy Ryan where we were

646
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.880
talking about empire and there were so
many ships to choose from it was impossible.

647
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:32.079
And now here we are back any
walks. So I'm going to say

648
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:39.079
as a form of transportation, and
it certainly does fly that flying leaf yes

649
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:50.159
of course. Again really funny,
good comedy moment of the like like the

650
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.400
how does she expect us to get
there a flying leaf? And then there's

651
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:59.039
just a flying leafy side. Fantastic. There's some great comedy moments to that

652
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:00.960
happened later where they're like going through
the trying to get to the sun King's

653
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:06.239
palace. They are being attacked by
these ice heads that we didn't even talk

654
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:07.679
about much, these ice heads,
But the ice heads come in, the

655
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:15.000
ice heads who prompel themselves by doing
headstands. Yeah, they like go shop

656
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.800
and they turn upside down and then
they skate across with their iceheads. Pretty

657
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.840
great they're actually pretty fab and then
they march around like and was your vos

658
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:31.199
going snowy? Oh? They like
are being attacked by them, and that

659
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.639
the leaf goes through a cave and
a yetti ends up in the leaf with

660
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:43.719
them, and it's great humor.
Beautiful leaf follows my favorite season. So

661
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:51.039
that is my vehicle of choice.
Uh, my vehicle of choice. And

662
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:54.920
I don't believe that we've talked about
this at least I mean we've talked about

663
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.559
it, but I don't think this
has ever been codified as a starship.

664
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:04.800
We have the rombul and bird pray. This week we did at multiples of

665
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:09.480
them. Yes, in a budget
saving measure. They reuse a lot of

666
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:16.039
effect shots from Balance of Terror and
Aerond of Mercy as well for some energy

667
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:21.519
shots. But the Romulo Burda Prey
does not appear in Eron of Mercy,

668
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.159
that's clear. On episode of theromelan
Burda Prey is from Balance of Tear.

669
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:32.480
Hot app the design of that,
at least according to my rudimentary research from

670
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.000
Memory Alpha. Thank you memory Alpha. In the revised final draft script of

671
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.360
Balance of Tear, the remulant bird
of Prey was at first visually described as

672
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.760
similar to a Constitution Class sarceage section, and was further characterized as definitely some

673
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.360
modified version of a Starship Saucer main
section, but with the dark markings on

674
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:54.679
its underside, which suggests a bird
of prey with half spread wings. Uh.

675
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.920
And you know it's got the engines, just like the Matt Jeffries design

676
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:05.719
ethos. Like with everything engines are
are away from the planet. You love

677
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.400
to see it. You love to
see a consistent design ethos run throughout an

678
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:15.800
entire thing, even with these alien
culture as everyone inherently understands that this warp

679
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:21.679
travel pretty dean down dangerous. I
also like that the shape of it is

680
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.800
like you know, when you would
have those little eagles that you could balance

681
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.719
on your finger. Yeah, those
little birds, and you were like wow,

682
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:34.159
And that's the shape of it.
That's what it looked like exactly.

683
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:40.679
It's a lot of fun with plastic
balancing eagles. Yeah, before the dark

684
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:45.920
times, before PC culture came in
and wrecked all that. You can't enjoy

685
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:52.519
egos anymore. Balancing eagles, Ah, yes, perfect, God. I

686
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.519
did love those guys. They were
great. Because of course we didn't get

687
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.039
into it as much but in that
final part of the episode, because they

688
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:05.119
have stripped Kirk of his command power, which makes sense way good. I

689
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.920
don't know what to say to you. They come into the situation because they

690
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:13.000
go into Romulin space and or into
the neutral zone, and the guy's like,

691
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.760
I don't know what to do,
and then they are being attacked by

692
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:17.559
his Romulin persiprey and then I will
say, Kirk comes in and does a

693
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:22.480
very clever move, which imagine,
imagine how much stronger the episode would have

694
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:29.199
been if Kirk was competent, but
the commodore was bringing his own prejudices.

695
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:35.760
Meanwhile, he's a pencil pusher.
He's never commanded Kenny. Yes, exactly,

696
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:38.280
that's exactly what it is like.
Instead, it's like you're watching this

697
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:44.400
whole thing and you're like, I
don't know why I'm here. He is

698
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:47.719
he needs to be relieved of duty
and this is dangerous. But yes,

699
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.159
imagine if it had just been his
body was physically getting older, but his

700
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.119
mind was the same, and it
would have been imagine a far more powerful

701
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:04.639
episode talking about ageism. Yes,
and you could also just play the dread

702
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:09.559
of it's just going to seem worse
and worse. But you're stuck. Yeah,

703
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:15.440
which is horrifying, horrifying. Yeah. I I always get so confused

704
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:21.440
because I'm like, you have forty
minutes and there's a lot of time in

705
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.480
there that you could have like sat
with this. You're gonna waste ten minutes

706
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:30.639
or however long the court martial session
whatever. Starship Starship Land, Yeah,

707
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:38.079
well, Starship Land can offer us
many insights into our frustums shipland can also

708
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.800
take us to funny places. Yes, Aspen, who do you ship this

709
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.119
week? I shipped that witch bitch
and that's smoking even though it's a non

710
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:52.039
consensual Kenny O, Aspen, you
love to see it. This is what

711
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.880
shipping is for, Aspen. You
love to see it. And this is

712
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.559
where you get You're like, I
know this is problematic, but please don't

713
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:05.159
judge. And I read on AO
three in my in my downtime in the

714
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:11.559
last show, I made a great
AO three joke and the general audience like

715
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:15.960
because it resembled the mechanics with the
jokes, except for the people who got

716
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:20.480
it, and their laughter was like
through the roof. Yeah, and that's

717
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:27.599
that's who I do the comedy for. It's for those three people. It's

718
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.840
it's one of those where I look
at it and I'm like, deeply problematic.

719
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:35.639
Yeah, she is like iced up
his heart, which has turned him

720
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:41.480
like bad, but it kind of
has like a like a sexy factor to

721
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:45.760
it, you know, where it's
just like ooh, she's like, I

722
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:50.719
don't know, like brainwashed him a
little bit, and she's like using him

723
01:04:50.760 --> 01:05:00.360
and it's dangerous anyway, that's mine, she's yeah, because and as soon

724
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.280
as they liked ice him, he's
like, oh, I'm a jolly dude,

725
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.920
and I was just like, was
much cooler when he was blacky and

726
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:13.239
mean. But Okay, I guess
I'm gonna look up how many ficks there

727
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:19.840
are of the two of them together
outstanding. I'm gonna do that. I'm

728
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:27.320
gonna ship Janet Wallace and Kirk Good
because that's a good ass ship because their

729
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:31.280
relationship at the beginning of the episode, clearly they're attracted to each other,

730
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:40.199
but they put their careers as far
more important as what's going on. Mm

731
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:44.880
hmmm hmmm, and so that's an
interesting dynamic. Also another example of Kirk

732
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.800
drift. The article that is frequently
mentioned because Kirk, while being horny,

733
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:57.960
yeah is always my career comes first, yeah, always it was like you

734
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.519
had your career and I had my
ship. Now like this also gives me

735
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.639
permission to talk about some fun facts
that I know just from Star trek lore

736
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:11.440
okay, and in Jenas and from
my research. Please in these are the

737
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:17.440
voyages. Apparently in earlier drafts,
Kirk and Janet Wallace got together while she

738
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:23.360
was married, and so Kirk was
a home wrecker, and instead they changed

739
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.960
it to where they were like,
no, Kirk wouldn't do that. He's

740
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.559
a boy scout. I mean that
is because true to character he is.

741
01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:36.639
Yeah, that's his character. Because
her husband has died, yeah, oh,

742
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:42.079
there is a devastating moment that could
have been more interesting, But it

743
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.800
is that devastating moment of her being
like, basically, I never stopped loving

744
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:47.679
you, and he's like, hey, are you saying this to me?

745
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.440
Because I'm a like You're like,
you're about to die. I'm going to

746
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:55.000
try to give you one last gift
before you die, and I was just

747
01:06:55.079 --> 01:07:00.280
like, oh, I feels so
bad. Could have been far more fascinating

748
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:04.320
if it were a story more about
like you were attracted to me and now

749
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:10.800
you're not, and why is that
even though you love me and now you

750
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.320
look at me and you're disgusted.
Could have been much more interesting. But

751
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:20.039
it's a good ship. Speaking of
getting older in Janet Wallace, last week

752
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:25.800
we watched Star Trek two. In
in initial drafts of Star Trek two,

753
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.360
Janet Wallace is going to be the
Carol Marcus character. Interesting, very interesting,

754
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:38.079
huh you know? And again I
mean yeah, I like fascinating.

755
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:43.960
I like what they did. Yeah, better because I don't know, Well,

756
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:48.000
the only episode that you might have
needed to see to have greater context

757
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:54.320
would be Space Seed. Yeah,
but if you need to find out the

758
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:58.360
emotional content of Janet Wallace, you
need to watch this episode, which no

759
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:01.679
thinks. But also I would have
run into some like timeline stuff like okay,

760
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.519
so did she have a child with
him while she was married to this

761
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:09.199
other guy? Like, yeah,
it would have been a little weird because

762
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.880
I don't know about the timeline.
I guess she could have anyway, Uh,

763
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.239
it would have been too much.
People would have been weird about it.

764
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.720
It would have made Yeah, I
like that, I mean like it.

765
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:20.560
Also, you can have there can
be multiple people that you were in

766
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:25.279
love with or liked or had sex
with, and like, you know,

767
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:30.680
and it didn't work out because you
know, and that's okay. Speaking of

768
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:33.439
working out, it's time for us
to work out the central premise of our

769
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:38.920
podcast, which is better Star Trek
versus Star Wars by ranking both of these

770
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:44.479
episodes on a scale of zero to
ten, zero being the worst, ten

771
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.399
being the absolute tippy top best.
And again. The episodes up for discussion

772
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:51.800
are the Deadly Years from Star Trek
the original series versus the Season Scepter from

773
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:58.800
Star Wars ewoksh Aspen. I would
love to ask you to go first.

774
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:01.520
Which one should we'd start with?
Because I went last the other time so

775
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:06.079
I could do my bit. But
I actually did meet it. Noyone lost

776
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:10.880
him? What's your Oh? When
I gave there, it wasn't a bit.

777
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:14.680
I gave Empire and con both tens, which it was. It wasn't

778
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:23.479
a bit part but they'll like anyway
comedy I will give. Should I start

779
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:27.479
with Walks? I think you should
start with Season Scepter? Speaking of comedy,

780
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:35.000
Yeah, right right, I'm gonna
give it a six point four oh

781
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:41.199
good number, Yeah, because I
think it's a really I think it's a

782
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:47.119
good episode. Something about it.
It wasn't singing for me, and I'm

783
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:50.079
doing this within the context of e
woks is. You know, we watch

784
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:56.439
it for what it is. It
wasn't quite like singing, but uh it

785
01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:00.000
was very fun. It was very
funny. That sun King is absolutely phenop

786
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.640
all. I might be talking myself
into a slightly higher you know what,

787
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.600
let's do like a six point seven
woo. I'm changing it to six point

788
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:13.239
seven for the fact of sun King
and Wich Bitch and that being fascinating,

789
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.800
like fun interesting characters and always being
dynamic, and they're always being stuff that

790
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:23.880
we're like exploring and finding. So
let me give it a that because it

791
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:27.039
wasn't quite like seven and above territory, but I'm going to give it the

792
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:32.640
benefit it deserves within its context.
Speaking of the benefit it deserves, I'm

793
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:38.800
also going to get a six point
seven oooh fine, because A. I

794
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.800
like your number. B. I
really like this episode. It's a fun

795
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.600
episode. It reminds me of the
Race or not the race the Night of

796
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.960
the Stranger, which was a barn
burner of an episode. Yes for this

797
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:56.079
season. Now as good as Asha, Asha was a straight up great at

798
01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:00.399
good episode and uh I wish I
wish we could get more. Yeah,

799
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:02.640
Well, and that is the difference. That's why it doesn't like I would

800
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:08.079
say it doesn't like pop up hires
because we're in like just fun territory.

801
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.960
When Ewoks decides to go emotional,
it's good. It's good, it's great,

802
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:17.159
it is great, it's great and
good it's great. Yeah. Uh.

803
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:21.880
Speaking of good, let's see if
that mentality holds over. As Aspen

804
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:32.920
gives us a number the Deadly the
Deadly Years four point five, that's on

805
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:39.479
the low side of things. For
comparison, you gave MUDs Women a four.

806
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:45.119
Yep, you gave the Notorious and
the alternative factor of three point five

807
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:53.680
Apple five, and you gave Metamorphosis
it too well. So this is falling

808
01:11:53.680 --> 01:12:01.479
out of the category of like.
It's not like a bad like, it's

809
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:06.119
interesting, it has like it keeps
your attention, except for the stupid bit

810
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:12.680
about the court martial shit or whatever. But I think it's it's because I

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01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.039
realized while talking to you that it
made me angry and that it felt mean

812
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:23.239
and it felt wasted, and that's
for some reason like it those are the

813
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:27.960
times when, per your example,
I'm gonna knock it farther down because I'm

814
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:32.239
like, fuck you, so you're
a really weirdly racist fuck you. You

815
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:38.800
know. So, I'm going to
give this episode a three, and that's

816
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:42.199
not even a Spie ranking. I
think this episode is just that bad,

817
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.920
whereas I think the other genuine lowest
ranked episode of Star Trek I have is

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01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:56.560
four. I don't think that characters
are behaving stupid like purposefully of twos in

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01:12:56.680 --> 01:13:01.159
order to extend the running time of
the episode because they have fifty minutes to

820
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:10.560
fill. This episode has the characters
making seemingly purposefully stupid decisions to fit into

821
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:15.319
a stereotype of this is old people
walk like this, which, to be

822
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:19.239
fair, I'm gonna put in my
type five no doubt, y'all. I

823
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:28.960
ever noticed how old people be walking
like this the car? They are just

824
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:34.119
writing the characters as purposefully obtuse,
saying that it's ageism, or saying it's

825
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:45.279
because they are acting old, but
that's not how older people act in the

826
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:50.359
slightest Yeah, And then the episode
gets mired in this we need to relieve

827
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:58.000
Captain Kirk of command, and the
audience is miles ahead of the episode because

828
01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:01.880
all of us know, yeah,
he needs to get relieved a command.

829
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:09.039
Yeah, So whenever your audience is
that far ahead of you emotionally and logically,

830
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:17.199
but you're extremely competent. Commander is
not, and there is no emotional

831
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:24.920
justification for it. It becomes extremely
difficult for me to swallow. Sure,

832
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:32.000
and I think that there are some
very easy fixes that could make this episode

833
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:36.399
better, but it just seems to
be they just needed to film an episode,

834
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:41.319
which is wild because reading the making
of this episode, it seems like

835
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:45.720
false sorre excited to do this episode. DeForest Kelly is very proud of his

836
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.479
performance in this episode. I am
too. For what it's worth, I'm

837
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:56.079
proud of his performance. I hate
what they did to his character. Yeah,

838
01:14:55.239 --> 01:15:00.760
there's a great opportunity for a meaningful
meditation on aging. Yeah, and

839
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:06.239
it it is just empty. Yeah, well, Kenny, he's not a

840
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:11.920
magician. He's just an old country
doctor. I'm just an old contry doctor,

841
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:17.239
which means speaking of old country doctors. Looks like the prescription this week

842
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:26.760
is Star Wars Wins. Yay,
Star Wars Wins, Star Wars Robust six

843
01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:30.479
point seven for the Scepter versus a
paw three three point seventy five for the

844
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:38.359
Deadly Years. Love it. I
am having a great time being right,

845
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.560
well, ask, but if you're
having such a great time, why don't

846
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.279
you talk about it on our Instagram, Instagram dot com, slash trek wars

847
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.439
Pod I should it should be better
about it, as well as on Blue

848
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:54.079
Sky also at trak wars Pod,
where you can reach us, talk with

849
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:59.319
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song was composed by Tosin Awufesso any
other plugs that we need to plug before

868
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:20.319
we plug on out of here?
I nope, I loved it. You

869
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:24.840
plugged it all like you just plugged, plugged in, just like lamps,

870
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:29.520
just lamp plugs. Are you okay
you're going a little gray at the tempoint?

871
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:38.359
Yeah, I got okay, It's
nothing. I'm just I'm just contry.

872
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:42.119
Gosh uh. Folks, thank you
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01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:46.960
I love you. I love you, audience, we love you. May

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the Force be with you and live
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