Ambush vs. Spock's Brain

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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast,
the Internet's exclusive outlet for answering the one

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question, the most important question in
fandom, which is better Star Trek or

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Star Wars by going through both franchises
in chronological release order. I am but

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one of your Morks today, Kenny
Madison with me is the co orgue with

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the memorg Aspen Webster. I'm sorry, are you just threw me off?

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I did it. I love that
I did throw you off because there's a

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brand new status quo today. Yeah, as we're cracking open, let me

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get my DVD off the shelf.
Oh yeah, cracking open season three of

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Star Trek, the original series with
Spock's brain. And also I would reach

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for my blue rays out of Star
Wars The Clone War season one, which

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I purchased. You know that it
would distract me too much with its beauty.

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Yeah Ambush season one, episode one, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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love Star Wars the Clone Wars.
Congratulations, Aspen. It's time we've done

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it. It's a new era.
This is my moment. This is for

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me, and that is not you
know what, you know what? I

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sure don't feeling great. I'm feeling
so good, feeling great. I'm feeling

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great. I'm feeling great too.
I'm like, this is why we blazed

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through. Uh, he walked blazed
blazed through. It took us a year.

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Unlike other podcasts that would do it
much slower, we did it so

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quickly. Personally, I would have
loved to have gone even slower. Really,

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just like, oh, Kenny,
you were the one who was like

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on these episodes where they're two furs
and like, yeah, I try to

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expedite things, right, well,
you know you literally I did axpedite things.

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Yeah. Well, I think I'm
the one who was like, no,

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let's no, don't take away my
power. I was like, Kenny

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Madison, we will be treating them
as one episode. I need you to

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look at me, Kenny, No
Keedny Well, askman. I don't mean

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to take away your power, just
like I don't want to take away the

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listener's power. Uh. For people
that might be listening to our podcast without

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having watched these episodes, why don't
we going through the synopsis for both Spock's

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Brain and Ambush, I'd be more
than happy too. I'm good. I'm

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in a group mood because this is
a this is a brand new era.

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This is a brand new Jay,
you want to start, don't? Yes?

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I do? From the September twentieth, nineteen sixty eight column TV Scout

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from Joan Crosby. The synopsis goes
for Spock's Brain. Pity the poor kids

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who can't stay up to watch Star
Trek and it's new ten PM time slot

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this season. Oh oh, pity
them, particularly tonight from missing this highly

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imaginative season premiere that has mister Spock
in his brain parting company. His noble

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cranium is split by backward people who
need his genius to run their computers.

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The backward people are all females who
live underground keep herds of male slaves,

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which means they are not so backward
after all, until one look around shows

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their unmistakable signs of intelligence. Captain
Kirk and doctor McCoy search for spots,

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bring find some, stimied by their
beautiful female captors. Thank you so much,

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Joe, we appreciate your your service
and of course this was released September

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twentieth, nineteen sixty eight, directed
by Mark Daniels, un written by Lee

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Kronin. I wonder who Lee Kronin
is. I know who Lee Cronin is.

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Oh do you know he can't hide
from me. She can't. He

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can't hide from me. Did he
do norm de plume because he was so

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fucking embarrassed? Nope? Oh just
for funzis Nope, it's gene Kuh,

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Yeah, it's gen k lookally,
look at me? Is gene kuon?

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Now? Well what's he doing?
Why? Why is doing it? Because

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he's like, well, I don't
want it, like I'm like out of

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here and I don't want you to
think that I'm still sticking around or something.

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Gene Kun used it because he was, I believe, being supervising producer

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on another show by that point,
it takes a thief and to successfully procure

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him leaving Star Trek because I don't
know if we had built this narrative enough.

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It's hard to make Star Trek sure. He promised that he would do

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six scripts for the third season,
and so this is him fulfilling one of

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his obligations. And in order to
make sure that everyone is playing nice,

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he's not. He used the pseudonym
Lee Cronin because it wouldn't necessarily look good

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if he was writing on one show
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other one. I see. I
also think that it was a good move

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because this episode different reason tanks,
interesting tanks, controversial, take that you

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don't like Spock's Brain. Never heard
that before? Yeah, wow, I'm

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I'm so cool. I'm like so
edgy pretty much, you're pretty watched The

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Rogue. One of people asking I
watched it, and I legit was like

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no, no, no, I
don't that. I was like, maybe

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I was like that meme of that
girl who tries kombucha for the first time

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and she's like, she's like,
oh, you know, just you know,

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get in the audio medium. Everybody
knows hopefully exactly what I'm talking about.

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It was bad, so I can
only assume he was embarrassed. Yeah.

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Sweet, I'll tell you more about
all we're talking about. We're done,

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goodbye. What I can tell that
you liked this because when you texted

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me and all you texted me was
Fock's Brain and I said sucks, and

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you said you suck and I said
there, and that's how friends. I

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think that there are worst episodes of
Star Trek. Yeah out there, Yeah,

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there are worse episodes. Okay,
but you know what was a great

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episode. All we're reviewing today is
the Star Wars Trek episode. Not possible

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that anything else would be You're wrong. What We also watched Ambush from the

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Clone Surprise Ambush Star Wars. The
Clone Wars released October third, two thousand

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and eight, close to your birthday, close to my birthday, and then

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also like two or three months after
the theatrical Coln Wars, right right,

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So that was kind of sort of
the first four episodes. But this is

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the first official episode of the television
program asen you're already attacking me on your

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side. Hello the television program program. It was directed by Dave Bollock,

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who has also been involved in other
types of media that you might enjoy.

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They Oh, Tarzan and Jane,
I'm just kind of looking on ats IMDb,

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Spectacular Spider Man, nice stuff,
fun stuff, other other pieces.

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And then of course the writer is
created by George Lucas, but the writer

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was Stephen Melching, who wrote for
Batman, Rebels, Transformers. Cool,

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dude, love it? You like
rebels? Do I like Rebels? Oh?

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Wow? I like Rebels. Oh
I love it. I love it?

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And you know what, I also
love Kolonne Wars. So god,

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it's such a good time. Sorry, I'll tell you what actually happened.

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To us, which was Yoda travels
to a neutral coral moon of Rugosa to

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persuade King Katunko, who's a toy
Darian, to allow the building of a

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republic supply base on toy Daria.
However, a sage Ventest makes sure she

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rives first offered Katungo a similar offer
from the separatist side. Oh, it's

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so good. It's so good.
There's a sage first, and at the

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time it is a good app until
as we were watching it, Caa still

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also really likes Colon Wars and we
watched it together the time. Joel my

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partner. Yes, that's right,
I am partnered. The core of this

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episode. Fun episode, great shit
happens, but the core of this episode,

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because this has to be sustained over
time. If you're going to be

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going, if you're going to be
telling these stories within the context of the

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Clone Wars, in which most of
the fighters are these clones. That thing

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all look at it is a pretty
they're clone soldiers. You have to humanize

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them, you have to individualize them, you have to humanize them. You

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have to make sure that we give
a shit about them. And it's helpful

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to have a person that we would
are I don't know, character that we

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sort of respect. Although I love
this Yoda. This version, this is

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like the version of Yoda that I
am like, yes, thank you for

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this Yoda. Right automatically you see
them kind of doing damaged control on the

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prequels. Yeah, yeah, oh
absolutely, that's I mean, that's one

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of my conspiracy theories that because Lucas
isn't is a person that wants his ego

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to be massaged a little bit.
But yeah, so like Folonian team wants

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Star Wars to be the Star Wars
that they grew up with, a little

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bit, that doesn't make sense,
and so I mean that's not necessarily there.

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I like the Clone Wars theatrical movie. I think it's a whole heck

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of a lot better than the prequels
because I'm we're talking about vibes, and

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I think the I think the movie
hits those Star Wars vibes, and right

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here it's hitting those Yoda vibes.
This is who my this is who my

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Yoda is as opposed to the prequels
that we have kind of changed that character.

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Now I got a Yoda that's a
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also split in the difference between the
wise Yoda that was kind of solemn and

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Stowe. Right. Yeah, yeah, well, and actually it calls back

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to something you said last episode,
which is the first time we've had someone

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kind of leading a project who grew
up a Star Wars fan. Yeah,

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there's this element of you know,
that's my Yoda, but also just this

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Yoda that I mean just almost from
not that anything is not that art is

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actually objective, but like the original
Yoda in his little form, you know,

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the times he's the time said he's
a little stinker. That kind of

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interesting, like a kind of complexity
to him, where he is not just

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a solemn, boring dude who is
just like not noticing shit going down doing

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anything about it, right, he
has other pieces to him. It's like

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just an objectively better character. You're
just having more fun. It just feels

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it's not just from a nostalgic perspective, it's just like truly like this is

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a better character. Yeah, because
character has a point of view that you

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just be interchanged with any of the
Jedi that are out there right exactly exactly

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in his point of view here.
And the reason this is kind of Joel's

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opinion, I agree with them.
He my sweet partner, don't you dare?

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God damn it, she's oh my
god. He's the one who is

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very specifically calling out their individual strengths. He's guiding them, he's mentoring,

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he's kind of effectively he's trusting them
and also training them and saying and calling

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them out the individually they take off
their helmets in the moment. That is

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very specific to say, you know
you, this is your skill. You,

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this is your skill, Like,
let's think beyond kind of maybe we're

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es too, because I notice Like
it's it's a good mentor it's a good

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teacher move to say, I notice
your strengths and I want you to really

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lean into those strengths. I love
it. So what again, the of

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thought is here is like that's what
makes it to start it there is kind

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of what makes the Clone Wars work. It's also a heck of a mission

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statement. This is the in the
limited amount of research, or rather the

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limited amount of literature that there is, because there's no as opposed to the

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tones and tones of oral histories and
litanies of other interviews, there's not much

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the Clone Wars in terms of the
making of the day to days as opposed

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to the big honkin' book that I'm
reading for Star Trek. This was made

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later in the season or this was
production order was later in the season.

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They moved this up to be the
premiere episode. And it's a huge mission

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statement for what the Clone Wars is
going to be because you're not, contrary

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to what you might think having watched
the theatrical film, it's not always going

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to be a show where you're following
Anakin, Obi Wan and Asoka. No,

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this an episode about Yoda and the
Loans. Yeah, because we also

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have no concept of the clones as
individuals. No, yeah, really,

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that's still just kind of the mass
yep, all of these clones, and

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this is just like, nope,
this is different. We are splitting open

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what your concept of Star Wars is
wide open in a way that you know,

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no one includes ewoks androids in that
occasion. So yeah, and I

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think I apologies if I'm repeating myself. Your best friend d Bradley Baker,

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I think I said this will say
this again, very purposefully created different he

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voices all of the clones, but
he very purposely would give them different types

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of voices so they all sound the
same. But maybe they have different tones

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of voices. What kind of sounds
like this? Yeah, yeah, I

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want to see no boys. I
get a medium voice. Yeah, they're

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we gotta get this clas well.
I've got a big garden commander. I've

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got to shoot the gun. I'm
a voice actor. Look at me,

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look at me. High Yeah.
I gave them all specific characteristics and certain

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things that they would say, and
pieces about them that he really wanted to

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leave to and so it's it's a
visual they're visual differences, like they have

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different tattoos or different haircuts, but
then they might speak differently, and it's

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it's really good. And there's actually
a kind of extraordinary thing just to tell

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you kind of as we're starting this
out, they all feel so different throughout

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the entire show. Like when you
see eventually we're going to get into more

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Rex, who showed up in the
film, Uh, he becomes a really

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great piece of it. He's one
of my favorite characters. Rex feels so

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different from everyone else. It's so
well done, it's so specific. It's

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fantastic. I absolutely God, it's
great, And you're right, you're right

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about the production order. There's an
interesting thing. I don't know sorry,

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I don't know if you've heard of
this that people will say that there are

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two ways you can watch the Clone
Wars. You could either watch it in

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the way that it was it was
released, or you could watch it in

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what is the chronological order of this
show itself? Yes, I remember those

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because I believe it was Arizona Mark. Hold for applause. Uh oh,

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buddy, not to just automatically invote
Arizona Mark so quickly, but Arizona Mark

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asks us at one point, where
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order, to which I like to
kill joy I am to Cambi matumbo it

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am and went not uh uh not
in my house. Yeah, you're like,

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listen, wait, wait, the
whole point of banka oh we do

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it? Didn't release chronoledge. Yeah, although I mean, look, we're

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gonna run out of Star Wars before
we run out of Star Trek unless there's

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just a huge glut. Uh so
maybe, like you know, we reached

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the end of Star Wars and we
could do it like a chronological or who's

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to say, do you think the
world will still be around when we get

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to that point? This podcast will? Okay, yeah, you can't stop

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the signal. Mm hmm. Listen, we can hate Waiton, but we

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can always love David Crumbholds. That
guy, that guy, that guy.

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We love crumb Holes. We love
crumb Holds. Anyway, Oh my dumb

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anyways. Yes, what am I
missing out on by not watching this?

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In I don't know the way?
You haven't done it? No, I

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won't. I I don't know.
There's a reason why things are released the

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way they are, in the same
way that there's a reason why an album

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is released in a certain order.
I think maybe there's something probably interesting to

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it. I believe technically chronologically.
The first episode is like Rookies because it

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kind of like takes character. It
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and kind of you'd see them as
they're training and getting started. It's a

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good episode. I think. Well, Okay, actually I was. I

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was watching some obnoxious YouTube video.
I obnoxious. I mean it was actually

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pretty informative, but I was at
odds with the way that this guy was

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yeah Georgie people. Yeah. But
as soon as he started talking about this

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great episode called Rookies, I was
like, Nope, no spoilers, got

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kys is great? You know,
I know that a Soca leaves the Jedi

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order because I've watched Yeah, because
I talk about it constantly. I yeah,

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and you watch Trouble SEENO What's happening
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like there's all these kids, right, but what you know, the

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best comparison, actually, and this
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how the best comparison that Star Wars
could make is probably to the films of

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a Cure Chrissawa. Oh my god, do you think maybe like he was

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influenced by them? What? No, man, My favorite movie of all

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time is The Hidden Fortress. Wait
a second, Oh, oh my gosh,

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arrested development that most like the last
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that was like released in this very
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Right, That's what I'm so sorry
I have to correct you. Oh there's

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another season after that. Really there's
a season five? Wait maybe okay,

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maybe I am I've seen season five. Okay, season four then is what

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I'm thinking of. Yeah, okay, so I was told by people who

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are grumpy. They were like,
you can watch it, oh, because

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on on Netflix. I think there's
even maybe it was us or I don't

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know. There's two ways that they
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They presented as you can just watch
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like where all the stories are mixed
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or you can watch it this other
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way. I was watching it the
like chronological because everybody kept being like this

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structure sucks, this is so bad
what they've done. I know, And

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I got through like an episode,
I went no, I don't think so,

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and I started rewatching it and actually
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was done, and I was like, this fucking rules. I thought it

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was very interesting. I thought it
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that I I you know, if
something is deliberately made in such a way

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as to elicit certainly maybe get themes
out there at certain moments, it doesn't

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necessarily have to be like fall out
to a kind of space. I'm smart,

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I know who those people are.
It is okay, you know what

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I mean. So that's all of
me telling you why I'm fine with the

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release order of the Quoin Wars.
Well, there's also I guess, is

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there an intended Dave Feloni as the
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require you to watch it in disorder. Of course we start off with naturally

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Caravan of Courage is the first piece
of Star Wars that you start with coming

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from me personally? Or do we
think that there might be something that's coming

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from there. I could type it
into ductutgo because that's the search engine of

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my choice. I'm good for you, but I'm not going to an instant.

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I'm just going to ask you because
you are the Star Wars expert.

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I don't know, Kenny, we
should type it into duck dot go.

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I have a guess. I'm gonna
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I feel like Filoni would be like, do whatever makes you happy? It's

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there, it's there, preferred.
Oh, it's preferred. I mean it's

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preferred. You're probably gonna get a
lot of reason. It's just from yeah,

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why didn't go instead of the googs. I try and not give Google

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more of my attention than I have
to, because you know they're bad.

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Well I can tell you. I
can tell you there's a lot of bad.

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I'm not not saying to do it. I'm just no I know I'm

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I'm having a real time with tech. I worked in search engine optimization.

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I know how this stuff works.
But anyways, I don't think that we're

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going to get an answer anytime soon. It required depths of research, and

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I've already allocated my research time to
reading a lot about Star Trek today.

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Oh, I have dedicated a lot
of my time to being cool. Was

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being real cool, and I didn't
have any time to do research agains like

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poetry, so that they rant I'm
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Anyway, it's a good episode.
It's a good episode. Really enjoy

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it. Not too thematically dense,
but also not every episode needs to be

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thematically dense. No, oh my
god, it's a deeply enjoyable It's got

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venturess, it's got venturous. It's
got a toy Dararian who's not a kind

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of a little bit complicated, maybe
like, ah, are we doing?

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Are we going for a weird cricature
here? We just got a guy.

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He's just a guy. He's got
a little accent, but it's like,

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I don't know, it's not the
water accent water, of course, who

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is a toyd Arian? This is
a king King Katuka King Katuka, so

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I got some good variations, got
some beautiful uh, we got the beautiful

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moon kind of we've got like,
uh, the whole planet is one big

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coral. Yeah, it's just a
big ass coral. Which in watching the

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special feature for this one, Dave
Filoni, that was a that was a

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painting that Dave Filoni did a pre
production work and because he was like George

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will say that, you know,
he picked all the big planets, like

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what's plan is a snow planet?
Uh? I don't think he's done a

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city planet though, that would be
fun. Oh yeah. But then Filoni

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was like, what else is there
left for me? And he was like,

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coral, coral, coral planet.
The whole planet is one big qurel.

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It's pretty sick. Like I do
like the idea that there are no

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biomes. There's one single biome as
always as always, and of course,

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as we recall, the only real
movies that have given us different biomes besides

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Phantom Menace, which gives us the
Naboo side and then the side where the

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the Gungas are in the core,
but like, yeah, the going side.

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biomes. Endoor, the most ecologically
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Extraordinary. There are deserts there,
deserts, bogs, forests, and

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snows, lots of snows. I've
forgotten a lot of eatlocks. Yeah.

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Well, all of that is dictated
by those like weird season the Creatures.

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Do you remember anyway? Oh that's
great, Oh my gosh, that's right.

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There was an arc with the seasoned
Creatures like that was a running Arcan

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season too, with the sun Star
and the Moonstone. Mm hm. Anyways,

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speaking of things that break brains,
Spock's brain good. So I think

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this episode is adequate. Oh no, no, no, no. This

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episode is infamously terrible, with the
pantheon of Star Trek fans often ridiculed as

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being the worst episode of Star Trek
Pure. It's not that it's just not

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good. Yeah, it's bad.
Yeah, but I've been I've been madder

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at episodes. Yes, yes,
that's it. That's your analysis. Well,

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impressions, When did it start going
south for you? Well, it

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looks like I interrupted you. So
I wanted to give you time because I

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didn't want to. Oh I want
what do you want me to say?

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I like this episode. I think
everyone actually gets stuff to do. Not

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every single episode has people saying things
or actually has more than one line.

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That's true. Check out points at
the screen. Yeah says I think we

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should go to this different planet.
It's not my but when you're in the

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desert. In terms of ensemble work, boy, oh boy, will you

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drink? I can tell you exactly
where I went downhill. For me,

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it was whenever you were like,
oh, this is Star Trek, isn't

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it, and just immediately pummeted.
I was like, oh shit, I

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thought I was watching I know that
I walked into Paramount Plus, and I

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know that I scrolled down to Star
Trek, but I could have sworn that

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I was about to watch Star Wars
again. Oh oh yeah. I was

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real excited. I was like,
that's right, we're comparing Star Wars to

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Star Wars. My dream, my
dream. We're starting from like chronological Star

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Wars this way, and then we're
moving backwards for the most recent Star Wars

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and coming back and then meeting in
the middle at some point. But that

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doesn't work because more Star Wars stuff
gets made. Uh oh oh oh,

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that's what time travel do. The
unfortunate part is that that time between episode

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three and episode four, we just
spent forever there. Oh god, no,

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No, two and three that's got
more, that's got more content now.

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But then there's just that space between
three and four where they just keep

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making stuff. Everything is there,
everything. No one dares go past Rise

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of Skywalker. I guess until the
New Jedi Order. We're not talking about

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that. We're talking about Starchek.
We talk about Spring, infamously bad episode,

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the starter for season three, and
a huge signpost of things to come.

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So I'll tell you when it went
down downhill. It's when they went

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down to the planet. I would
say, everything up until that point,

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there's like actually pieces that I deeply
enjoyed, specifically Scott I got a haircut

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and he looks so good. That
may looks great. Yes, I was

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like, what a snack chump,
chump chump. I like have to like

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like you're with me right like that
dude look hot? Okay, thank you?

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You know who else was looking hot? Beating a drum? Oh yeah,

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I mean everyone looks hot, but
Shatner though Shadow looks hot, looks

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great. He looks great. Who
also got like a little like her hair

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was done a little bit differently,
and I was just like nice, yeah,

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beautiful, yeah yeah. Speaking of
her, you were like, she's

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got stuff to do. I had
like written down much no. I wrote

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she came in good, like with
a good question at one point, and

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in my notes I wrote a better
contribution than the Son of God's Calm Down,

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Let It, Let it be,
Let it be two episodes written by

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gene Con. I'm still so mad, so mad they did worship Son God's

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in Rome has been a yeah no
but and I'm like, I'm I'm in

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I'm in it. I'm in it
for a while. I'm in it.

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Like they got cool screenshit that they're
looking at that lady comes onto the deck,

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onto the bridge rather and she's got
like a creepy look on her face

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and she's just like ramp at it. And then everyone wakes up and it's

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like Spock's brain is gone, and
I'm like, gross, I love it.

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It's brain. It's gone. Oh
oh, Actually that there was a

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moment. That whole scene was also
a little bit of a like, I

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don't know about this because I think
I think Shatner. I think I think

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Shatner and Divorce Kelly are good actors. Yes, it was one of the

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most melodramatic, worst things I'd ever
seen in my life, and I'm doing

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that. It has to be one
of those situations where as we've said,

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and as the actors in the original
Star Wars says, you can write this

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stuff, but you can't necessarily say
it. How do you dramatize? How

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do you successfully honestly convey the emotions
that your friend's brain was brain napped?

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How do you do that in an
honest way? Just snip, snip,

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snip in a believable way. Like
I feel like we should play that scene

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for people, like I cannot explain
that, Like it's it's like when I

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talk about in I mean, Star
Trek is dramatic, right, and it's

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often melodramatic, but it's also like
fun can't be melodramatic when it is.

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Yes, this was like watching a
soap opera that is bad. And it's

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this whole scene where they're in like
they're in sick bay. They're like,

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you know, they're like standing over
Spock's brainless body, and I was just

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like, the Fuck's going on,
the way you're talking is wild. Oh.

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I was just looking at my notes
and I was like, I know,

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I don't like this. No,
I don't like this. That's so

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maybe it went downhill earlier when they
down in that it just was like not

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having I think it's not having a
good time. I don't think that this

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episode is a catastrophe. I did
find my attention wavering and also even know

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what the what the what? What
the point is? Oh, it's okay,

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I feel like it's not gonna it's
adequate. I still I still found

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my attention wandering. I'm not going
to go to the mat for a spox

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brain. I think there are some
successful sounds like you fucking loved it,

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You're right fifteen out of ten.
No notes, you like liked it?

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You are too married? Yeah?
Yes, yeah, when's the wedding?

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Can I come? Do you want
any phisiant? It's tomorrow. Actually,

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oh, we're going to go down
to the courthouse. I've invited two hundred

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people. Too bad to Hey,
what it's not going to say in request

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spots? Brain? Oh, I
remember what I was going to say.

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You can feel that something is a
missed pretty quickly. Mm hmm, in

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that way of just the vibes,
the vibes are off, something off,

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and I can't. It's it's that
intangible thing. It still kind of feels

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like Star Trek because this is Star
Trek. Roddenberry is at the Helm,

401
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:24.359
but just something is amiss pretty quickly. Yeah, it's just doesn't work.

402
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.720
Yeah, and it's going to be
a signpost of them being like I don't

403
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.400
know if I'm recalling the season correctly, and it's been a while since I've

404
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.359
watched season three of the original series, but you're gonna get a lot of

405
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:45.599
this sci fi stuff, like kind
of kiddy stuff, what kind of like

406
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:52.599
from from the show itself, you
know where start. Whenever science fiction is

407
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.400
done well, it feels like it's
talking to you intelligently, as opposed to

408
00:33:54.559 --> 00:34:00.279
like people that ye are doing sci
fi, but they don't necessarily yes,

409
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.200
no sci fi, and so they're
throwing sci fi at you and you're like,

410
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.599
okay, this is technically science fiction. Yes, this qualifies within the

411
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:15.400
genre, right, right, right, right, Yeah. I think Star

412
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.800
Trek is not always gonna hit.
Sometimes an episode is just an episode is

413
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.880
not actually saying anything particularly interesting.
I have more fun if it's saying something,

414
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.480
it's being thoughtful about what it's trying
to say, to the point where

415
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:34.039
you know, it presents something,
even if I disagree, an interesting thing

416
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.119
to have a conversation about. Like
I might be grumpy about it, but

417
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:45.000
I'm like, at least you you
have a thesis. Yees. So here's

418
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.519
where we go into a little bit
of our deep dive. All right,

419
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:58.440
Geene Roddenberry heard of him? Oh, he's like George Lucas. But Hornier

420
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.599
is the Lee Cronnin No. No, because Roddenberry has too much of an

421
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:09.840
ego to go by a pseudonym.
Uh oh man. That reminds you the

422
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:16.360
Making of Star Trek book that was
published in between season two and three of

423
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.159
this Yeah, it's written by Stephen
Whitfield, who's just an author. With

424
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.760
Gene Roddenberry. He's just a guy. He's just as stupid as a poached

425
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.519
to Gene the great bird of the
galaxy. Anyways, in this book,

426
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.000
I've never seen this before. Every
time that Roddenberry makes a contribution, it's

427
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:40.199
like the Bible. All of his
correspondence is in all it's not red.

428
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.599
It's a little bit more ostentatious,
at least the Bible. Whenever they're printing

429
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.280
that is a little subtle, and
it, you know, does have lowercases

430
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.760
with in the Making of Star Trek
book published at this time. All of

431
00:35:53.000 --> 00:36:00.800
Gen Roddenberry's stuff is in All Cats
anyway, honks me means, so tell

432
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:07.360
him give a shit about these men
go on at a convention, at some

433
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.440
public speaking event, drumming up support
for season three of Star Trek because famously

434
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.519
Star Trek was gonna get canceled.
You remember that, Ah, yeah,

435
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.519
you told me. Yeah. And
then they come up at the end of

436
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.320
the Omega Glory and there's like Star
Trek's back, knock it off. Please

437
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.360
stop sending letters. Oh right,
Verry, you to tell me about that.

438
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.320
Yes, And so Gene drumming up
support of season three is like,

439
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.159
we're gonna do a whole bunch of
cool stories. We got to give NBC

440
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.000
some credit. They're asking us to
do some cool stories. We've got to

441
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:43.320
talk about the Vietnam we got to
talk about race and hunger and organ transplants.

442
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.840
Cool because you know what has just
happened for the first time, assmen,

443
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.760
a heart transplant. Heart transplants.
Wow, ninety sixty eight, Great

444
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.800
job, everybody. Yeah, that
was another hot topic in nineteen sixty eight.

445
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.559
Taking controversial organ transplants. One big
step further, aliens, appropriate spots,

446
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:08.960
gray matter, and so whenever they're
putting together this episode, they're like,

447
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.559
you know, what's hot? Heart
transplants? Because everyone's like, is

448
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:21.320
that kind of right? And that's
where they're starting at. Okay, what

449
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.960
if it had been an episode that
was like, I mean, it is

450
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.159
kind of this isn't it. I
was about to be like, I mean,

451
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.280
it's it's literally organ stealing. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

452
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.119
But I was like, which is
not exactly rought transplant? Yeah? I

453
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.239
was like, it's horrified, it's
organ stealing. Yeah. According to These

454
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:45.400
Are the Voyages Tos season three from
Market, organ swapping was a hot topic

455
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.599
that year. The first heart transplant
was as recent as December third, nineteen

456
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.480
sixty seven in South Africa. This
episode was written I think around March of

457
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:57.519
nineteen sixty eight. The patient died
within eighteen days of missed controversy in a

458
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.039
media circus. More transplants were attempted
throughout nineteen sixty eight, to the outrage

459
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:07.840
of some religious groups. And their
heart is where your soul lives. Just

460
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:14.199
so you know, I'm glad that
I know that that's with Jesus christis the

461
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:19.960
Sun of God and then gene Coun
looking to fulfill his six episodes as quickly

462
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.800
as possible so he can go back
to other job. He had written an

463
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:29.119
episode of Wild Wild West and where
the brains of famous scientists are stolen to

464
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.960
use to build the world's first computer
bank, and that story itself was pulled

465
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.199
from a short story called The Cybernetic
Brains published by Startling Stories in nineteen fifty.

466
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:45.199
The concept is actually kind of rade, honestly, because they steal his

467
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:51.800
brain to run their whole complex.
It's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

468
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:58.840
I like them. I like that
he transplanted him into their underground layer.

469
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:06.440
Yes, he became their supercomputer.
A very cool sci fi concept with nothing

470
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:14.880
to say at all. Yes,
and here's where things get a bit interesting.

471
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:21.559
Okay, okay, so gene kun
obviously writing this episode. As we

472
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.519
talked about Lee CrowdIn, the new
showrunner is a guy named Fred Freiberger,

473
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.679
where everyone is just like this.
Dude's a tour he ruined star trek now

474
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:37.400
man. Fred Freiberger was a company
man hey former World War Two that was

475
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:44.119
a pow in a German prison camp. He was a Jewish soldier in a

476
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:49.800
German prison camp and managed to survive. He was in it for twenty ish

477
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.639
months or so. After that,
naturally, where does he go? Works

478
00:39:52.639 --> 00:40:00.360
on TV, and everyone's like,
fuck this guy. People suck. People

479
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.239
do suck. Star Trek fans Sometimes
Star Wars fans are Star Wars fans,

480
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.079
I will say, worse. The
Star Trek fans have just been at it

481
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:15.519
for longer. Yeah. Anyways,
Freiberger comes along, and he's a studio

482
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.280
man. One of the things that
he's good at is being a company man

483
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.559
and being a fast rewriter. Is
the acclaimed rewriter depends on who you're asking.

484
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:31.199
But he's gotten some shows up,
fixed some shows, got them to

485
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:37.760
be famous. That's not the case
here. They just want Geene Roddenberry is

486
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.679
still up at the top. He's
an executive producer and he brings on Fred

487
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.519
Freiberger because he's gonna he's a fast
rewriter. And also Geene Roddenberry is like,

488
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:52.000
I'm taking a step back. I
can't do this Star Trek stuff anymore.

489
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.239
I'm tired, even though he's basically
checked out a lot of last season,

490
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:01.760
but you know the facts don't mean
anything. Uh tired of his shit.

491
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:09.039
But also NBC had promised a prime
slot, like a Monday night slot

492
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:14.920
for Star Trek, which was everyone
was super amped for and the fan base

493
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.840
amped for because fantous letter writing campaign
got one hundred and eighteen thousand pieces of

494
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.400
mail into NBC alone, and so
they came on the end of a Star

495
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:28.199
Trek episode like, please stop sending
letters. They announced the Monday slot.

496
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.320
Great, Gene rodin Berry's like,
you know what, NBC, I'm gonna

497
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.360
come back. I'm going to be
the day to day producer. You've got

498
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.440
me. Here we go, and
the NBC's like, psych actually removing you

499
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.960
to Fridays, and not only that, we're moving you to a slot where

500
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.599
we know where, we know that
you're going to fail ten pm. They

501
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.039
can't outright cancel it because they have
just gotten the most mail that they have

502
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.280
ever received period. But no one
likes Geen rod Newberry at NBC, so

503
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.760
they're setting it up to fail so
they can so they can sabotage the data.

504
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.400
Yeah, and be like, look, no one's watching it, clearly

505
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.679
we don't. We don't need to. That way, they can't necessarily peeve

506
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:14.920
off the fan base because they brought
the thing back just to say how much

507
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.519
would it suck. Like you're an
adult, okay, you're like I'll stay

508
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.840
up till ten, but like you're
a little kid and you're like, well,

509
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:22.840
I can't, I can't watch it. I can't watch this my family

510
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.320
anymore. If we really love Star
Trek and you can't watch Star Trek anymore,

511
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.079
don't just been very sad. It's
super sad. And that's why Star

512
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.760
Trek kicks off in syndication because it's
on like a prime slot every single day.

513
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.159
That's nice. I'm glad everybody was
like, oh those episodes I missed?

514
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.639
Yeah, because this show is extremely
popular with kids, teenagers, and

515
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.400
right right, I'm like slagging off
Xbox Brain. I fire, We're like

516
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:54.480
a twelve year old, I'd be
like, there's rule this brain is cone.

517
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.320
Uh. So they bring Fred Freiberger. Rodden Berrier hires Fred Freiberger,

518
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:07.480
and then Freiberger is a company man, so he is at least the way

519
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.000
that these are. The Voyage just
frames it. He's doing what the network

520
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.239
wants him to do, what rodden
Berry wants him to do, what the

521
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:15.760
actors want him to do, and
what the writers want him to do.

522
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.519
Freiberger's trying to bring in as little
of his own editorial process as possible,

523
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.760
because he sees the writing on the
wall. Everyone pretty much knows that this

524
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:29.159
is going to be Star Trek's last
season. Everyone knows that, much like

525
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:34.920
House of Trade's in Dune, they're
going to Iracus being set up to fail.

526
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:45.039
Oh wow spoiler. Yeah, And
so Freiberger is just like he's just

527
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.440
trying to do this job. And
one of the dictims from roden Berry is

528
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.880
this humor stuff. We got to
cut this shit out. And so there's

529
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.119
no levity in this episode, yeah, which is partly why it's like,

530
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.159
yeah, that's why it's so fucking
electraumatic. Can you like imagine that scene

531
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:06.760
again if it were like this is
a this is like serious, but we're

532
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:12.000
a touch tongue in cheek and like
McCoy would be making like jokes about even

533
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.239
more jokes in a way. It's
just like serious Jim, but like yeah,

534
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.119
you know, like something, yeah, something sort of levity to recognize,

535
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.039
like make I don't know, play
the thing for laps is something,

536
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:29.519
PEPs something. It just feels it
sounds like you are making fun of science

537
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.920
fiction with the premise that they have
snatched his brain. Yeah, it feels

538
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.679
very insulting to people who love these
kinds of things. Yeah, and I

539
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.239
don't want to stop up if you
have more to do in the steep dive.

540
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:46.960
I mean, I think that's pretty
much it. The episode just didn't

541
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.320
work. No, Gene Kuhn Freiburger
did give some notes, but genekuh just

542
00:44:52.400 --> 00:45:00.679
ignored them. Oh fun. No
one really likes Fred Freiberger on the set.

543
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:06.239
Fred Freiberger has very few allies,
even though he's like coming in to

544
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.119
do like a losing job. And
then rod Berry is not doing anyone any

545
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:15.000
favors by being like NBC sucks.
They've destroyed my show. We should have

546
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.239
gotten a better slot. And then
not only that, previous supervisor producer now

547
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.440
co producer Bob Josman was thinking had
been putting in the job and being like,

548
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.519
I'll be the show runner this year. And then Geene rodn Berry is

549
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.000
like, here's Fred Freiberger taking the
job that you thought. So this key

550
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:37.800
collaborator is now kind of soured.
DC Fontana's gone. She'll be back for

551
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.320
me at least one more episode.
But she's like, there's other things.

552
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.000
Why would I do write on other
things? Yeah, She's like, I'm

553
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:50.639
getting out of this toxic workplace.
Everyone is pretty much like checking their watch

554
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.000
and trying to make the best of
a sour situation. And that's where we're

555
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:59.760
starting at with season three. It's
interesting to start at such a bad spot

556
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.199
when we're all into is the purposes
for what I can sell Clone Wars starting

557
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.159
out great, starting out great,
everyone was just having a nice time.

558
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:12.559
The fascinating thing is that they've about
one hundred episode order, and I mean

559
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.360
right now they're banking up episodes and
it's completely in a vacuum. Yeah,

560
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.920
yeah, right, well, I
guess not completely in a vacuum. All

561
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.320
they have to go off is perceptions
of what the prequels did, and so

562
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.320
they can course correct from that,
right, and if Lucas likes it,

563
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:34.039
I guess yeah, as opposed to
the weird fight that Gene Roddenberry will have

564
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.159
this season up being simultaneously completely checked
out whenever he wants to be, but

565
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:42.440
also the egotist that we know he
is right, And I think that's so

566
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.920
fascinating. Well, I mean it's
fascinating. It sounds like it it sounds

567
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:51.239
like it would have been a death
trap, like a horrific place to work

568
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.360
if you were the actors, if
you're writers, if you were anybody on

569
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:58.480
that side, like, it just
sounds terrible, yeah, which honestly as

570
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.199
it will just get worse when next
generation comes around. What Yeah, man,

571
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:06.880
oh I don't like that. I
just want people to be chill,

572
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.920
you know, it chills out at
some point, you know, like I've

573
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.800
had bad jobs, and the idea
that I'm like, oh I guess I

574
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:19.159
can't quit this bad job is awful. Yeah, can you imagine you?

575
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.599
Oh stress me? Oh my god. I had a job. I had

576
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:30.480
a job once where legitimately it raised
my blood my blood pressure like really yeah,

577
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:35.000
And after I quit it it went
back to normal, like have a

578
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.679
perfectly fine blood pressure. But for
a while I died. Like the doctor

579
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.760
was like, well, maybe just
like we should get this under control,

580
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.679
and I was just like, oh
no, maybe it's this sectual thing.

581
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.119
No, it's my fucking job.
So anyway, I'm saying that if I

582
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.480
were in that position, I would
have I would die. I have a

583
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:59.559
heart attack. He attack in my
thirties. Oh god, Well that's why.

584
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.199
At some point the actors was just
like, you know what, I'm

585
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.840
good with what I've done, and
you just stop take a break, which

586
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.360
is wild, right, Like it's
not like working actors can do that,

587
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.840
Like no, you know, they
don't make millions of dollars and they can

588
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.280
just kind of coast they're like,
oh, Okay, I gotta keep working,

589
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.800
you know. You know what this
does remind me of going back to

590
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:27.920
like the content of the episode box
Brain. Yes, yeah, yeah,

591
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:37.119
the whole computer is one big brain. Remember when we did that Star Truck

592
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.840
improv show. Yeah, and we
started the show with a suggestion that was

593
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:50.800
like what's a thing in the world, you know, like war Injustice made

594
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.800
some bullshit like that, and we'd
get a suggestion and then that was like

595
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.400
part of the inspiration for the show, and then we'd like shit out something

596
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:05.599
that I was barely about that,
but like you know, with like hints

597
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.960
toward it. You know, That's
what this episode feels like. It feels

598
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.440
like it's uh, it feels like
someone that is making a contractual obligation,

599
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:19.320
right, is trying to get some
stuff done so you can go back to

600
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.880
work on this other thing or a
bad improv show. Yeah. Anyway,

601
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:31.480
in this like I had a moment
here with the episode where they go they

602
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.840
go down to the planet. They
meet these men up here, the Morgs,

603
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:44.599
and yeah, i'd really say it
in like write down and like what

604
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:49.280
they call them the Morgs. I
just remember this stuff because some of these

605
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.119
lines, even though it's been a
very long time since I've watched Box Brains,

606
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:53.559
there are just some of these things
that are just locked in my brain.

607
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:58.440
Yes, brain, brain, what
is brain? Yeah, I'm Orgs

608
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.840
Morgs. So the met are the
more the women are the Imorgs. Right,

609
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:06.079
So there's just these men up here, and then they end up finding

610
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.480
out that this like rock, is
an elevator. They go down in underground.

611
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:15.079
That's where all the women, all
the Imorgs are up above. They're

612
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:20.639
all like sort of cave men type, like you know, they can everybody

613
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.079
can speak and you know, have
conversations, but they're very like, you

614
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.039
know, they're very a little bit
of a hat on a hat. Yeah,

615
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.880
and they've been separated out. They
go down and then but here's the

616
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.119
thing. Here's the thing. The
men, the Morgs are characterized more like

617
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.320
you know, it's like Neander Tall
esque, right, whereas the women,

618
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:45.599
the Imorgs are very much characterized as
children. And all these women are dressed

619
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:50.679
in you know, very much the
same classic sort of like sixties sixties sci

620
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.199
fi kind of short stuff that looks
great. But it's like they're children and

621
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:59.280
also sexualized children, and that's cool, right, and that is what's a

622
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:07.719
cool thing to do art? Yes, And I was watching it and I

623
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:15.079
was like, is this is this
like like is this supposed to be?

624
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:21.320
Is this a satire of something?
Or is this actually really truly anti feminist

625
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.599
on purpose? Like are we actually
saying anything at all? And I'm like,

626
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.360
oh, or are are we making
an attempt at something that we are

627
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.559
going towards satire of something? And
then I came away and I went,

628
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:36.480
I don't. I don't think it's
either. I don't think there's anything fucking

629
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.760
happening here at all. I believe
I'm not even mad at it, because

630
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.000
I honestly don't even think you're thinking
about it. No, you know,

631
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:50.480
you're a shit. I believe they're
going with if an organization would steal spots

632
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.559
brain, then what else is true? And for some reason, the answer

633
00:51:52.599 --> 00:52:00.519
to that is because it's a because
it is any planet that has just let

634
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:08.000
its intellectual development lapse, Sure,
so they need a smart brain in order

635
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:12.719
to do that, but then it
braces a whole bunch of world building questions.

636
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:21.159
How did they know oh okay,
did okay? So right? How

637
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:25.159
how did they know Spock's brain because
everyone's knocked out? So did they measure

638
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:31.840
everyone's brain patterns really quickly? Sure? What is this? If the transformation

639
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.519
power fades away quickly? Is there
one of those things in that sick ass

640
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:42.679
spaceship that they were flying in,
because the thing fades pretty quickly, fades

641
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.639
after three hours, fades after three
hours. I think it's faded form acoy

642
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:52.679
sooner. I think because he's not
he said him a baby could do it,

643
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.079
A baby could do Did he became
the doctor Donna? That's when he

644
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:04.440
became oh, which is pretty yes. Uh so yeah, man, I

645
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.119
think you're I think you hit it
right on the money. Yeah, it

646
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.519
was just it was just trying to
get an episode out that started with orgon

647
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:16.119
trains plants. That's in the news. Sure, But there's also horniness with

648
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:22.159
the idea of like these women and
men are separated, but also the women

649
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:31.800
like take the men and feed them
and also hurt them. What's going on?

650
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.639
What's going on? And I don't
get it? Like it's wonderful,

651
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.599
like, and I guess it does
also bring other things up, like procreation.

652
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.679
And you're like, okay, well
if everyone's like being characterized as like

653
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.920
a child old the woman child liked
them and dumb, like I'm like feeling

654
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.760
fucking weird. I don't worry about
it. Don't worry about it bad,

655
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.679
don't worry about it. I'm so
worried. Don't worry about the bod pressure

656
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.440
cuff. I have to figure I
would, I don't. I'll just I'll

657
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.719
just pull my Star Wars DVDs out
here and I'll just calm me down.

658
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.480
Yeah, I'll just just there you
go. Oh, that's beautiful. Look

659
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:14.679
at that. That's beautiful sand sand
Sand. I do love sand. I

660
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:22.360
love sand because I was not raised
as an enslaved boy. No on tatoquin.

661
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:32.159
Yeah. So to go back to
a good episode a bush and bush,

662
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:38.000
you know what I mean? You
were talking about an episode episodes dinner,

663
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.920
Apples and Oranges or I guess in
our case Star Trek and Star Wars,

664
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.559
right, something to be said about
thematic brevity. Just what if we

665
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:53.559
treated people like people? Yeah?
Yeah, I mean that is I mean,

666
00:54:53.639 --> 00:55:00.199
okay, how does that come up? In well, wor Spock's brain

667
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.800
is uh no, I'm wore spots
brain is a hat on a hat on

668
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.880
a hat on a hat, I
guess to make it relevant, a brain

669
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.239
on a brain on a brain,
and a brain gross stealing spocks brain.

670
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:14.760
It could just be a Hyjenks episode
where they're just trying to reverse a heist

671
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.239
and instead just get the brain back, but instead it becomes this weird thing

672
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:24.000
that's kind of involving the Plato's Kve
allegory and this dead society yeah poorly,

673
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.599
and also this weird stratification thing as
well. And these women don't as opposed

674
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:38.199
to a singular focus of ambush,
which is Yoda's our good guy with our

675
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:43.880
clone cook guys. Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah it is. It's just

676
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:49.159
like, uh, good guys when
the day because we are tenacious. Yeah

677
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.800
well, well we're in mindfulness collaborative
when we trust each other. That's the

678
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.880
other piece. We believe in each
other, which is kind of lovely.

679
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.679
There's it isn't a very and it
is a great It's just like, yeah,

680
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.199
go into more detail about it.
Is that like there's a lot of

681
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.440
there's a cat and mouse element to
it, but it's saying we've got three

682
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:17.039
clones in Yoda against battalions of Droids, different types of Joys, battle Joys,

683
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.119
all of these different types of Roger
Rogers, and to win the favor

684
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:27.000
of King Katunka. All to win
because it is strategically appropriate, it is

685
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.440
strategically necessary to be able to be
able to have a base on this planet.

686
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.760
Right which, by the way,
starting to get into some interesting concepts

687
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:40.000
around what it looks like like what
you would be willing to do in war

688
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:45.440
for things like strategic bases, right, Like, it's not so much to

689
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:52.079
say, it's not even what they
win. Isn't necessarily to say we are

690
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.760
coming from the right perspective and you
should join our side. It's almost like

691
00:56:55.800 --> 00:57:00.519
they are proving effectively. Actually the
core of it it is that they are

692
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.800
saying, we can protect you better
than the other side can from each other.

693
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:12.960
Just intrigue into an interesting grade point
that was started in the theatrical Clone

694
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:16.559
Wars movie. But they need to
curry the favor, curry, crerate the

695
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:22.199
favor, crery the favor. They
need to get the favor of the huts.

696
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.320
Yes, and we know that the
huts are not great. And they

697
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:32.480
also managed to make that textually correct
as well, because they need hyperspace lanes.

698
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:38.440
Yeah, which is interesting extension of
those thoughts. I like it.

699
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:45.440
I like that very much because I
do like I mean I I it is

700
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:52.119
not interesting to have war stories that
are strictly good and bad, right.

701
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.880
There are other people involved who might
have different opinions or might be just trying

702
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.199
to survive or not want to be
part of it, or choose to be

703
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.639
part of it for various specific reasons. There's an entire galaxy out there that

704
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:07.360
isn't just the you know, like
the Douku side and the republic, right.

705
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:14.280
It's it's very it's very interesting,
and so there are different levels of

706
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:17.440
what's happening in the episode. There's
setting the stage too. There's one setting

707
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:22.599
the stage four. Hey, clones
are people do so, you know,

708
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.719
it's humanity and it's us working together
we'll find this thing. And then it's

709
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:34.000
also digging more into and opening up
that door further to say, we're going

710
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:40.079
to be exploring more of the grayness
of war in what this looks like and

711
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:45.119
what it means to these people.
Toyd Aian's you know, pretty neutral.

712
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:47.119
You know, they're not like the
hats are pretty shitty. It's it's pretty

713
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:51.000
cool to come out the gate being
like we have to carry the favor of

714
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:54.639
a shithead, right, what does
that mean toward Aerian's a little bit more

715
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:59.039
respectable in this case, But yeah, so it's that. And then also

716
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.079
at the same time, episode that
is just a fun cat and mouse of

717
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:06.920
like them outsmarting them, still lying. It truly is there's a lot to

718
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.679
it. It's deeply interesting on a
Yoda, it's not afraid to use mindfulness

719
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.719
as a tactic yep, which is
again goes back to like what we like,

720
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.639
right, we don't necessarily just like
a pure lightsaber moment. What do

721
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:27.320
we like about this concept of Jedi
or the Force? And it's it's cleverness,

722
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.320
like which can be obnoxious, but
no, it's it's it's maybe being

723
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:36.679
almost like on you know, having
like not having the upper hand, but

724
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:44.519
how we can gain it through strategic
thinking or not just with brute force for

725
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:46.880
instance, and again trusting each other
to be there with you. I think

726
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:52.400
it's really lovely. This is a
nice little episode. It's just an episode,

727
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:57.480
so it's got ventures in it.
And she's so hot you want to

728
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:01.039
give herst I want to give her
so many kisses. But yeah, in

729
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.440
terms of yeah, with the thematic
connections, I guess, except for the

730
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.239
idea of like, oh, by
the way, sorry Spock's brain stuff,

731
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:15.079
I just want to I want to
litigate one more thing. A million judge,

732
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:21.480
I present to you a terrible I
think. I think a story moment

733
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:28.800
that could have been was so McCoy
puts a little headset on, gets the

734
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.280
skills for how to replace Spock's brain
starts to wear off. Would have been

735
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:38.480
a perfect moment for fucking high priestess
to do it herself, to decide to

736
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:45.159
finish the job, to be like
I am actually engaging with my agency and

737
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.960
what we can be and I've realized, you know, this is not something

738
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.920
we can do. This is a
cruelty that it's not like you know,

739
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:53.840
we like we won't die, we
can and I'm going to help you.

740
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:59.679
She never does. She just stands
there like a little dumb dumb. I

741
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:04.159
just I'm like, great, cool, cool, cool. So I guess

742
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.639
the thematic connection of like, you
know, people are people, I'm like,

743
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:15.079
yeah, I guess, Oh,
I mean the matic connection is so

744
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.039
much more behind the scenes, because
both of these are kind of mission statements

745
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:22.719
for what the heck to expect going. Yes, one is certainly a lot

746
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:27.159
better than the other one. Right, it's you're right. It's actually a

747
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.719
really good point because I'm struggling right
from a content. One that has the

748
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:37.320
brain gets stole the other one you
see brain as core role. That was

749
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:42.920
really pretty thank you, you're right, so beautiful, it's so good.

750
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:50.679
One is funny, one isn't.
Yeah, Yes, I love the joys

751
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.360
being a little silly goose, so
geese, little little roget rogers. Oh

752
01:01:54.400 --> 01:02:00.719
that's what you like. I think
it's funny. Oh no, A long

753
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:07.400
time ago. Start dating This week. I quoted a boat, I dated

754
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.480
a geek, but none of them
could warp my drive into high berth space.

755
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:23.360
The best of both worlds kept me
in the second place. Captain slog

756
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:30.360
on a Holla kron, I wanted
a sonog. I penned a song seventeen

757
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:45.199
more minutes advise in super high def
aboard the USS Enterprise DT. Don't you

758
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:50.320
take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my wretchered buddy and

759
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:54.239
nip it. If you spill the
tea, I'm gonna sip it. My

760
01:02:54.400 --> 01:03:01.239
starship. It got me again to
get you asspen. What else do we

761
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:07.199
like to do. We like to
name our favorite starships and our favorite romantic

762
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:12.760
ships from either property outstanding. It's
great that we're in the Clone Wars territory

763
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.639
because I feel like we've got a
lot more ships to work with. There

764
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:24.840
are a lot. However, my
ship that I'm going to pick is oh

765
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:31.280
my gosh, yes, the the
the workship. No, that was gonna

766
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.239
be mine, really, but you've
got so many good star Treks star Warship.

767
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:39.079
I just really liked that little shuttle. Well, there's also two different

768
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:45.639
ships Shuttle. Well, I'm sorry, because we've got the original version,

769
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:51.840
I've got the SIEG version. I'm
thinking of the cig version, sure,

770
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.840
and I'm thinking of the original version, which is this wild, almost Naboo

771
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:04.079
esque type ship. Hmmm, okay, I'll drop it to you. It's

772
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:08.840
so interesting. Memory Alpha calls it
a generic rocket design, and I'm like,

773
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:13.039
yeah, give me that generic rocket
design. It's sick as fucking great.

774
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:20.119
Okay, we're talking about this seeming
like a you are you are doing

775
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.679
an impression of science fiction. Meanwhile, like the shuttle design that I just

776
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:30.760
dropped in the chat there or a
zencaster. Yeah, it's got it's cool.

777
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.079
It's almost looks exactly like the SR
seventy one type Naboo shuttle from episode

778
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:42.360
one, but it's got four fins. Oh, and it just looks so

779
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:47.679
cool. I love it. Oh
my god, that one is actually cooler

780
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:53.079
than the digitally remastered one, which
I also was gonna name because I really

781
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.760
liked it. You still can it
says, the somewhat generic rocket design of

782
01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.480
the original and the remastered visually distinctive
design. I mean, like, I

783
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:06.079
don't know, I like this one. Nah. Yeah, Shuttle from Sigma

784
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:15.360
Dracona six okay is my favorite OG
version. Okay, okay. Oh right,

785
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.639
so that does technically leave the design
that you saw up on the table.

786
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:24.920
I guess, I mean you guess, I guess. I mean you

787
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:29.840
guess. No, I'm gonna go
for something else then. Interesting. Let's

788
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:35.639
do Yoda's ship, yoder ship.
Yeah, it's a good ship. It

789
01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:41.639
looks really cool. It's just like, basically what happens in this one is

790
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:45.079
that it's amp so effectively at the
beginning of the episode is they're coming in

791
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.480
there, they're supposed to be coming
in and having you know, regular talks,

792
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:56.519
uh, and then you have a
little escape pod. Yeah, well

793
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.199
so there's a ship itself, and
I take these skatee pods. It wouldn't

794
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:00.000
even like come to talk about the
any of it, because it's the way

795
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.679
it's set up. Douku is always
trying to do this shit, right,

796
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.880
He's like secret things to make everybody
like think something else is happening, and

797
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:14.880
he does actually stay secret things which
check me out things. And so in

798
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.400
this case, it's like if the
toy Darians are interested in who is the

799
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:20.599
strongest, who can keep them the
safest, right, and they are,

800
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:27.760
so the Republic kind of the armies
are coming, but then Douku sets it

801
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.920
up so that they are ambushed,
literally they are ambushed so that they cannot

802
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.440
make it down. And so as
if for him to say, well,

803
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:36.719
look like he can't even take care
of you, like they can't protect you.

804
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:41.599
They were so easily taken out.
So here's ventus here to do,

805
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.599
you know, do some discussions and
actually like get us on your side,

806
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.719
sign the contract kind of thing.
But then Yoda's like, well right,

807
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:55.639
and then they like take the little
shuttles down to the planet. And so

808
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.840
that's how he's able to get down. But the ship itself is actually a

809
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.079
very cool kind of just I don't
know exactly what it's called, but you

810
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.239
know, it's it's a ship that
he is often and it's kind of I

811
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.920
don't know, it's kind of got
this weird kind of dome and these sort

812
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:14.559
of like outward little fins, just
a good like it's an interesting looking ship.

813
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:20.079
I guess. Uh, Memory Alpha
would say a visually distinctive design.

814
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:28.360
Well, your Wikipedia is Wikipedia,
Mine is Memory Alpha, right Wookipedia tells

815
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.079
me, Uh, Wikipedia's just says
it's a ship. I wonder if I

816
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:36.159
could actually let's see, Actually,
let's see if I can actually get you

817
01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:41.840
more information. I had something else
planned. Give me a break, Okay,

818
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:46.920
do you need me to time because
I'm ready with my ship. I

819
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:53.480
accidentally typed yodas Yoga's ship, and
I mean I was like, I got

820
01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:59.599
you. It's a ship full of
people doing yoga. I guess not because

821
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.400
he's got a fighter, but I
don't think I'm seeing one for a specific

822
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.599
ship from Yoda's a fighter. That's
not something that I ever want to see,

823
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.079
but like, I want to see
it because as soon as I see

824
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:12.239
it, I'm like oh, you're
kind of betraying. Yeah, the original

825
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.039
concept of what doesn't matter. It's
fine. Stories change, it's finey I

826
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.560
got you, I got you.
Yeah, what's your what's your kissy?

827
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:24.600
Kissy? Ship Yoda and Doku,
the way that they are playing their interaction

828
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:31.399
there reads to me like they are
cute Yoda like Doku is a jelted lever

829
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:38.239
and Yoda was a stinker, but
he's not like really ready to take responsibility

830
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:45.520
for it. Meanwhile, Doku has
some real grievances pun intended to hold against

831
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.840
Yoda. Yeah. Yeah, but
like you know that they had fun,

832
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:55.359
like you know that they like whenever
they got together, like it was hot,

833
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:03.720
oh god, jumping around. Yeah
yeah, Okay, I'm into it

834
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:10.039
and I love it. I'm deciding
if I want to give I just want

835
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:15.439
to carry a bit for the rest
of the Zoo tire, which is that

836
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:20.439
I want to ship Venturess with everyone. Okay, so anytime venture not everyone,

837
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:24.199
No, I mean as we go
through, I'm gonna ship Venturess with

838
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:29.439
different characters, because I think I'm
gonna ship Venturess with Yoda. Excellent,

839
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:32.159
Yoda and Ventris love it. You
love to see it. There's actually when

840
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:38.560
they finally do, like there haven't
little back and forth themselves, because you

841
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.079
know, it's like there's the communicator
and he's got his little you know,

842
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.640
hologram thing and he's just like,
oh, and she's just like, my

843
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:50.680
droids will defeat you in fine,
dude, and he's just like, see

844
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:56.119
we shall you know. And then
when he finally gets there, he gets

845
01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:00.720
there dust in time before she like
kills the toy Darien King and he like

846
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.199
stops her, and you know,
he's like force like stops her with so

847
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:06.359
much, and you can tell him
mad she is, and he like pushes

848
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:12.720
her back, and it's sexy.
I just think, I like because I

849
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:15.279
think at this point I have shipped
to maybe her with Anakin and her with

850
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:20.119
so I definitely ship her with Yoda. Let's see, let's go, Yeah

851
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:28.479
Anakin WI great. The bit is
funny. If you tell everybody it's a

852
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:32.279
bit, Yeah, I just seed
everybody to understand and like recognize that.

853
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.119
I say it's a bit, and
I mean it because I like comedy.

854
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:43.199
But I also just ship Ventris Yes
with everyone. Yes, that's correct.

855
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:49.760
Everyone. Oh cool, that's fine, that's yours. But that's certainly not

856
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:55.279
the end of our podcast, because
we come to the ultimate conceit the Star

857
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:59.319
Trek or Star Wars Again. The
episodes on the table, Spock's Brain season

858
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.800
three, episode one, Star Trek, the original series, Ambush season one,

859
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:08.439
episode one of Star Wars, the
Clone Wars. Correct, you got

860
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:19.079
it right once you started with the
spots. Bring bbito four point three four

861
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:28.039
point surprisingly. Hi, listen,
there's you were right that their worst episodes.

862
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.640
There are episodes I hate it,
So I'm not gonna go down as

863
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:38.279
far as a hated episode. But
listen, I'm not like other guys.

864
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:43.560
I'm not gonna say this is the
worst episode because I don't want to be

865
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.920
part of the back I want to
be different. I'm different, I'm built

866
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.600
different. So we're gonna give it
a little bit of a bump so that

867
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:58.319
you think I'm different. It's a
bad of its Yeah, is a bad

868
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.359
score. Yeah, I'm gonna rank
it a F which is interesting because I

869
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.239
was so much more glowingly positive about
this episode than you were. Yeah,

870
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:06.680
but I'm just like, yeah this
there's a shrug, and then I'm looking

871
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:11.600
at my last week's episode of Ranking
of five and I'm like, yeah,

872
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:15.159
we're about this drug. I guess
it's Earth kind of. I don't know,

873
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.279
but I like the one. I
like that episode. I like,

874
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:25.840
Yeah, maybe I just don't like
Star Trek anymore. Oh boy, yeah,

875
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.319
maybe you like you want? You
want me to win? You're like

876
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:32.720
man, Aspen, I've had a
month and I just need to give I

877
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.279
need to give him a win.
Speaking of give it, I'm a win.

878
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:44.800
Ask when what do you rank Ambush
seven point eight? Hell? Yeah,

879
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.199
you love to see it? They
do. I'm gonna rank it a

880
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:51.600
seven. Okay, that's a hot
app dude, hot up. And this

881
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.720
is what Colin Wars is going to
be. And and then you know what

882
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.319
count me in? It is I'm
ready. Sometimes it isn't, and sometimes

883
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.319
it is. Sometimes it is,
which means Aspen, Yeah, with a

884
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:09.560
robust seven point four versus spots brains
paltry four point sixty five. Star Wars

885
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:15.000
wins the week. I sure it
does, because I'm a winner. I

886
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:18.960
win, I close, I ten
x the deal. I come in.

887
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:23.520
I lie to you, I make
it happen. I guess like poetry.

888
01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:28.319
So if they ride asking, I'm
am to watch more the Clone Wars,

889
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.239
Yeah good, I'm amp to watch
it with you. I'm like super pumped.

890
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:38.880
I'm having a great time. I'm
so glad, and I hope that

891
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:44.239
our listeners are also having a great
time too, uh because if you are,

892
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:50.359
then you know, great, oh
cool, great job man? Wow,

893
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.279
I mean I hope so. Yeah. And if you are having a

894
01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:01.359
good time, then you can hop
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895
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:06.239
oh what happened? Uh? When
you can hop over to our patreon

896
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:13.000
uh where you could? You know, boy, I am really watching this

897
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.640
in a way that I rarely watched
this stuff. But I am pulling up

898
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.520
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899
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:24.840
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900
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:28.720
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901
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902
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903
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Uh. Wow, you get I'm
pulling up tabs left and right.

904
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.760
I'm doing a bad job, but
that's okay because sometimes, like Star Trek

905
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.520
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906
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:55.079
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907
01:14:55.199 --> 01:15:00.920
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908
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:08.760
supplied our I starship at Theme Song. Additionally, you can email us at

909
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:14.520
Trek WordSpot at gmail dot com.
And we got a little bit of email

910
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.119
this week rad you. That's why
I was like, oh my god,

911
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.960
did someone like send us an email
and be really mean to us? Is

912
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:29.399
that? What? Furious? Furious
curious an email titled when the Great Eagle

913
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:35.159
Flies away from Austin Aaron? Aaron
signs get ready for this asmen. I

914
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:40.159
think you want to grab onto a
pillow because I believe we have a new

915
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:48.880
power due name. Oh god,
I can spin silly. You are edging

916
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:54.359
ever closer to post Roddenberry Star Trek
and post Lucas Star Wars. Can you

917
01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:58.760
already see the transition happening in the
works you are examining? Yes? Yes,

918
01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:04.760
Will you do a victual episode to
discuss those transitions? Huh? Maybe

919
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.720
we should invite Aaron on. I
mean, maybe we should talk about with

920
01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.520
Maybe we've already kind of done that
episode with the Empire strikes Back versus Star

921
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.960
Trek two episode, because both of
those things are. I guess Lucas is

922
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:25.159
more hands on on Empire. Rebels
is whenever it's like Lucas had no involvement

923
01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:29.600
in Rebels, that's true, That's
true, And that's that's whenever Disney makes

924
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.600
the acquisition, then cancels Clone Wars
and then Rebels is the first thing,

925
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:38.039
because Disney's like, we got to
repilot. Yeah, I'm trying to think

926
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:41.239
if there would start to be a
certain moment in Clone Wars that he would

927
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.520
fade out, But I think you're
right that it's more like he's still involved

928
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:49.159
throughout it. Yeah, and so
it would have to be more like Rebels.

929
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:57.520
Yeah, and then it would be
like I mean, yeah, Star

930
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.520
Trek two, it would Star Trek
two versus Rebels, where George Lucas had

931
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:04.840
no involvement, right, right,
right, because that's the exact amount of

932
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:09.920
involvement that rodden Berry had on Star
Trek two. That would be interesting.

933
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:14.119
Yeah. But it brings up,
of course, like a we are talking

934
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:19.399
about it because we spent so we
spent a lot of our energy talking about

935
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:27.520
Roddenberry and Lucas as part of the
Great Man narrative. Yeah, and I

936
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.760
spent a lot of time being mad
about you too, And there's plenty of

937
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:38.319
stuff to be mad about, because
even after the Great Man narrative passes away

938
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.840
and they are no longer involved,
there are still pieces that are very frustrating

939
01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:46.199
because ultimately, and maybe this is
something to think about, what is the

940
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:48.760
Great Man narrative? Like, if
it's about one person, what does it

941
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:54.199
look like when you've actually expanded out? And it's like the capitalistic structure itself

942
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:57.680
is the Great Man, right writing
its own history. Yeah, because whenever

943
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:02.439
you get rid of the great men, then you have not necessarily company men.

944
01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:09.239
Because in Star Trek there's a weird
flony is many things. I'm not

945
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:13.600
sure that Feloni is like, let
me carry my worldview in so much as

946
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:16.640
he is let me carry on with
the vision of what George wants. And

947
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:23.000
that's a little bit with what Rick
Berman did. But Berman's idio syncrets Oh

948
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:27.800
maybe, hmm, that's fascinating.
Rick Berman and Dave Filoni are both company

949
01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:34.880
men that are stewards, but then
underneath Rick Berman are more idiosyncratic showrunners that

950
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:45.479
are then able to bring their own
personal stamps without violating necessarily what Roddenberry wanted.

951
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:49.880
Because Rick Berman, for all his
flaws, of which there are many,

952
01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:57.119
very much was like would this be
what Gene would want? Like thirteen

953
01:18:57.239 --> 01:19:02.720
years after Geene Roddenberry died, still
asking like is this what Gene would want?

954
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:12.039
Oh? Gross? Which is that
under Rick Burman's tutelage, we get

955
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.720
the highs of DS nine and then
we also get like the lows of whatever

956
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.880
Voyager is well, and also like
the first two seasons of Enterprise because he's

957
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:24.119
kind of adhering to that, to
the ideology, but like, I don't

958
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:29.880
think Rick Berman is holding to like
everything of Genes, but just like what

959
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.640
we as society are like, this
is what Gene's vision is? You know?

960
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:39.680
Does that make sense? I think
we see that as gross, But

961
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:44.000
I think that there's a lot of
weird honor in that of being like I

962
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.359
want to be well, I think
maybe, okay, maybe it isn't gross.

963
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:51.880
It's more like you can be guided
by the vision and take it in

964
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:58.000
the directions you want to go in, and or like that are ultimately you

965
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.279
know what they need to be right, but still be like, yeah,

966
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.760
I think you are correct. He
does kind of hold on to it a

967
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:10.079
bit too close, and that's what
well that and just exhaustion with Star Trek

968
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:15.359
kind of does the franchise in for
a spell until JJ Abrams comes in and

969
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:19.840
just like snaps it back to life. We should read questions at the top

970
01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:24.960
of the episode, you really,
what if people stopped listening as soon as

971
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.399
you started doing the outtra No,
I like that. That's a great idea.

972
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:38.319
Okay, I hope people didn't stop. Yeah, uh yeah. And

973
01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:42.800
then it's just been really been Fulony
and Fabreau being in charge of Star Wars

974
01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:48.960
and Abrams Kathleen Kennedy. Mm.
I don't think Kathleen Kennedy is like doing

975
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:56.560
anything except trying to keep everything okay, not necessarily any personal I never got

976
01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.039
personal politics that she's trying to bring
to it, just kind of manage the

977
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:04.039
brand. There's so much that we
just don't know as opposed to like you

978
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:08.920
can see Abrams's flourishes and force Away
gets the Rise of Skywalker. You can

979
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:16.800
see Ryan Johnson playing with the puzzle
box to his delight in Last Jedi and

980
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:20.399
then Broke One and Solar are complicated
things that we don't exactly know the entirety

981
01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:26.960
of interesting. I'm president. I
mean, yeah, she's gotta sh ton

982
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:31.039
of stuff. To do anyway.
Cool question. And then the final question,

983
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:36.399
how would Spock pedal of cat?
How would he pet a loath cat?

984
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:41.520
I think he will the exact way
that he pet isis. Oh yeah,

985
01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.680
he would gently. He would gently
hold the loath cat and he would

986
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:53.039
gently pet it little back. Oh
uh. Speaking of running threads that won't

987
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:56.800
pay off into the last episode,
asked them, I want you to get

988
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.880
a piece of paper out. Oh
fuck me? Not necessarily the last up?

989
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:02.680
Like, okay, listen, Okay, I'm gonna do a paper out.

990
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:06.399
Okay, run a thread here we
goes Okay, okay, okay,

991
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:12.319
okay, okay, okay, all
right, what am I writing? Woman

992
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:21.680
that uses a machine to change her
brain? Okay, uses a machine to

993
01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:27.079
change her brain? Okay, okay, woman that uses a machine to change

994
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.760
your brain? Got it? All
right? That's our running thread for season

995
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.039
three of the original series. We'll
come back to that at the end.

996
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:39.960
Fantastic Any other any other messages we've
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997
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:44.000
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998
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999
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1000
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:56.439
Run I absolutely you can still even
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1001
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:04.800
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1002
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truck worse Pod in case you haven't. May the Force be with you and

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live long and prosper I am so
sleepy, sleepy,