An Elegy for Ewoks (The TV Show)

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the Internet's primary source for answering the most

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important question in defandom, which is
better Star Trek or Star Wars by going

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through both franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison, the Star

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Trek contingent with me esper always is
hankshoe me me me me me, it's

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aspit Webster. I'm a sleepy boy
as when you have definitely got to get

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a little bit more action in your
step and get the party started, because

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this week we're talking about a peace
of the action versus party Ewok and Milani

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the Warrior thinks thinks of that beautiful
segue. Just to clarify, not only

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am I sleepy, I also love
Star Wars. I'm a Star Wars contingent.

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That's right along with being a sleepy
time. Hankshoe king honkshoe honkshoe me

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me me me me, that's me. Yeah, we're doing it. Hope

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you're excited. I'm a little bit
loopy, but it's okay because this is

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the last Not only is it the
party time, it's the last Ewoks episode.

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I'm not listen. That's not to
say it's not to say that I

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haven't had a great time, but
I do feel like this has been my

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life for so long. And we
have now been watching the TV show Ewoks

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for more than a year. What
what what we have been? We have

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been watching the TV show e Woks
for more than a year. Oh sorry,

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yeah, say it again. We
have been. I yeah, I

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was like watching it and I will
tell you we'll get into our first impressions.

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But I just have to slip this
in that it did feel a touch

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like the episode before this was like
the episode absolulutely and then this one was

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just like that's an episode like when
your when your show gets canceled, and

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it just doesn't make sense how it
ends. It just sort of trails off

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like you're getting ready for the next
big thing. And then they were like

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nope, gone forever. Yeah,
And I was like, wow, what

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a way to go out? You
know, yes, well what are you?

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Although for what it's worse, there's
some stuff that I'm like, we're

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gonna go out. Let's go out
on hot e Wok Warrior girls and not

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changing yourself for other people, and
also the best accents I've ever heard of

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my entire life. So I cannot
I'm so excited to talk about the accents

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in both of these with you.
Well, in order for us to get

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to talking about the accents, then
we probably need to catch up people that

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are playing the home edition up track
Wars by telling people the synopsis for what

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these episodes are about. Can you
describe to me what you envision the home

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game looks like like? Is it
like a board game. Yeah, it's

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a yellow and black square cardboard.
Plus so there's some mat. It's got

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like a nice matt finish. It's
very much like a Monopoly board going around.

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Yeah. Yeah, there's dice play. There's there's definitely dice play,

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and some little pewter pewters dyet Nope, little icons, that's right. There's

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a skin glider for sure. Yeah, there's a little wookie. There's Anarky

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that you can ride in and then
sometimes you just throw him out the window,

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but he always comes back. Well, Narki comes and steals whatever you've

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acquired. Oh fuck him, fuck
that piece of ship. This a little

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Spock and he's like, use better, he's better get Spock doing a Chicago

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accent. Okay, uh yeah,
let me let me read some let me

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read some stuff. So that people
can move their little pewter people around the

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board. Ah. So I'll start
with the eu Woks Star Wars. Ewok's

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final episode released December thirteenth, nineteen
eighty six. The two episodes within those

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being Party Ewok and Malani the Warrior. Let's see and the first one,

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Party Ewak, Nisa is helped by
Litara to plan a welcome ceremony for a

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prince. Wicket makes leaf posters,
and some unruly pugs crash the party,

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and that's pretty much it. The
second one, I'm not even gonna add

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additional details because they got it.
They nailed it. Whoever wrote this?

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Finally stepping up second one, Malani
wants to join the Ewok Warrior Games.

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That is, this is not right. Malani wants to join the Ewok Warrior

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Games, but some SunStar thieves cause
problems. That part's true. Mulani wants

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Wicket to like her, and Wicket's
got a crush on a warrior lady who

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is like real smooth and hot,
and uh she's like wicked, only like

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swooir girls, So I'll be your
woomy. And then at a certain point

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she's like crying in these wild elephants
with I can't tell if it's Russian accents

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or what. I cannot tell.
I need just to play a clip.

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It's the funniest best. It's like
an accent that you do on stage.

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It's so good. I love it
so much. Anyway, they're like,

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no, to get the sun star
and turn the forest into heaven pie.

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I feel like it's very important to
call that point out. Okay, I'm

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done. Wait, I didn't talk
about who directed it. Sorry, you

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would have dropped it up. But
I'm gonna I'm gonna beat you to it.

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Director Dale shot Classic Dale, writers
Bob Crow Classic Bob, and Stephen

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Langford from Milanie the Warrior. Who
the heck are you? Steven? It

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looks like Stephen lang goes on to
be a fairly prolific writer and TV producer.

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Oh my god, this looks like
it is first credit at least according

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to IMDb, looks like it is
first written credit credit. WHOA the last

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episode of E Walks. He then
goes on to write for It Silverspoons,

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Small Wonder, Webster, What's Happening
Now? Tiny Tuon Adventures, Save It

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by the Bell Family, Matters Well. Now he writes for things like Dude,

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Where's My Dog? And in the
Doghouse and Big Baby, and also

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three episodes of the Shutter TV show
Creep Show. Yeah, sure, okay,

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well, okay, well, I
was hoping to stay dog themed.

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That's fine. When Good Pats Go
Bad he produced that. He's a field

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producer on that. Wow, dude
hates dogs. Uh, speaking of dude

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hates dogs? This episode sure isn't
a dog? Wait can you do it?

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Everyone? Speaking of dogs? This
episode was anything but rough. A

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piece of the action. Okay,
go on? A piece of the action.

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Aired January twelfth, nineteen sixty eight, directed by James Komak, his

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first directing credit for Star Trek and
writer credited. Story by David P.

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Harmon, teleplay by David P.
Harmon. And he's departing, Gene L

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Kuhon. Oh my gosh, Wait, before you get into it, is

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this you know how before you were
talking about like you can tell the difference

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between the episodes that are helmed by
this new guy versus say, Gene Kuon,

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is this one, Gene Kuhn.
We'll get into it aspen. Oh

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my god, because I was like, but we are bo this bugs Bunny

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Central. From an NBC press release
issued December twenty first, nineteen sixty seven.

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The superior technology of the Enterprise crew
is temporarily unable to cope with the

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gangster tactics of the planet Ayosha two. In a piece of the Action,

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a drama on NBC Television Network Star
Trek Color cast Friday, January twelfth,

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Captain Kirk, Mister Spock, and
doctor McCoy beamed down to Aosha to check

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rumors that the development of the planet
was halted by moral decay one hundred years

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before they learned. The source of
the problem is a book on Chicago mobs

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of the twenties, which the Iotians
have adopted as their bible. The bosses,

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among whom bell Ox Mix, Kracko
and Kalo are the most powerful,

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have their hoods and henchmen, and
the populace pays for protection. Kirk employs

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gangster tactics against them. Kenny Aspen, is this the first second contact?

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No, it wouldn't be. It's
very very lower decks and it's very lower

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decks. I would say this episode
was definitely modeled after lower decks. Truth

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be told, Yeah, that's right. Uh, truth be told. I

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haven't been paying too close attention.
If this is the first second contact episode.

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Perhaps it is perhaps perhaps it's very
second contact. Uh, the idea

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that they're like, oh boy,
like we had come down there. Now

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it sounds like things are a little
fucked up? What should we do?

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Like should we follow up with that? Because I just feel like I hadn't

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really seen it before, at least
not like deliberate follow up. Right,

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it could have been like accidental maybe, but this is first like you are

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supposed to go down there and be
like what happened? Yes? Uh?

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First impressions? Uh for which one? Yes, Well, I already we've

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already talked about party Ewok and Malaney
the Warrior being like, well, this

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year is an episode of the EU
Walks. We're done. This is the

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final episode. It's It's true.
And also at the same time, I

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like we need to you need to
like be with me on this and that

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we have to find uh, we
have to find a clip of these like

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Elephant, I've already got it in
the footnotes. Oh my god, I'm

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gonna I'm gonna edit it in there, Okay, But like I think you

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and I just need to listen to
it right now. Yeah, you're you're

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right. Let me because I have
to replicate it. And I now have

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like because I watched this one first
and then I watched Star Trek. I

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now have like a twenties mobster Chicago
accent in my head. Okay, and

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I need to get these guys back
into my head. So give me one

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second. Let me find these guys. Okay. You need to send it

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to me so I can load it
into the soundboard. Okay, so we

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can both listen to it at the
same time. Oh okay, Okay,

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Well I've got just the episode.
Do you think you could hear it if

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I just played it? Do you
think this is good podcast? I could

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hear it. Yes, you could
hear it when I played it. I

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just wouldn't recommend it. Okay,
Okay, Well, I'm just telling you

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for right now, for our personal
experiences. Right now, I just need

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I just need to find the clip
where they start talking. Okay, okay,

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great, I'm just going to do
right now. Here we are here,

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we are at the ewalka village you
in BSIL. That's like what it

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sounds like. That's exactly what it
is. I'll tell you. I'll tell

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you what it sounds like. Uh
huh, are you familiar with the Festan

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Brothers from Saturday Night Live. Uh
no, but maybe I am. And

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this is what it is. It's
not Russian, it's something else. Yeah.

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Yeah, Dan Aykroyd and Steve Martin
playing two Slovakian swingers in the nineteen

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seven Days. Oh my god,
who are just like we have got to

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get the American foxes. That's exactly
it. That's what they are doing in

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impression of the voice. Actors are
doing that impression. It's very funny.

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I have one hundred percent to use
this accent. See it's sounding like a

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modified Oh my goodness, Oh my
goodness, Kristoph Waltz. That's that's what

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it is, A modified person with
a very good German accent. I spend

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I was just hoping that we would
be able to talk about the TV show

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E Walks, talking about the elephants
and all of the good things. I'm

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sorry, I'm so freaked out now. I know Christal fALS has been in

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many things, but I could only
think of that. I could only think

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of him in a glorious bastards as
you were talking to me, Oh hello,

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hello, yikes, yikes, Yeah, it is uh it's this was

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wild kind of accent, and at
some point this like Dchaikowsky maybe Nutcracker a

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bit started playing under them, and
I was like trying to identify which song

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it was. It's not the first
time that classical music has been used in

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the Star Wars universe. They they
made I forget what it is, but

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it was in an earlier EOX episode
I believe where either that or Droids,

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which makes sense because it wouldn't have
been in the movies or the holiday special.

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Yeah, we watched so much Star
Wars aspens and we haven't even gotten

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to the Clone Wars, any of
the Clone Wars, Any Clones, any

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Wars All Stars for the listener as
just looks very despondently at what can only

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be described as an abyss of infinity. I'm having such a time. This

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does feel like a real moment for
us to come to, like the end

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of something, uh, the end
of Droids. I mean we had already

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you know, Joys and Ewoks.
We went back and forth and it was

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eyoks for so long, and I
think it is only fitting that it could

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and that it be ended with a
couple of snuffle I guesses that sound like

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dan Aykroyd and c Martin, and
then not only that, but in party

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Ewok where we see bikers that are
writing on alligators allegators sound exactly like motorcycles

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and they go, Oh, a
party, lots of babes and food.

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You love that, you love to
see it. I was so stupid and

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that was I loved it for that. I loved it for how stupid it

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was asked when you were about the
fall asleep into that microphone. I love

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it in a great time with how
a stupid everything was. Yes, So

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yeah, there's a couple of moments. Keep going because a star trek,

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Yeah, likes to maintain the pretense
very often, not always, but more

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often than not, the pretense that
this is about issues. We're talking about

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society issue. I might be saying
this on the wrong episode. Even though

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I think the piece of the action
does have some does have some somewhat rich

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text in terms of the analysis that
you can derive from it, I did

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started to have some very wild thoughts
about the implications. By the end,

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I'm excited. The whole time,
I'd just been like, what a goof

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fest he just punched that guy bugs
bunny style, And then by the end

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I was like, oh what is
so are we going for unity and peace

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but only with the threat of external
violence? God, it's a lot of

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wild But not to cut ahead to
our Star Trek discussion, but Star Wars

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can very often just be sillyton USA. Yes, and it comes part and

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parcel with the package, because Star
Wars alludes to grand mythology, mythological themes,

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and I guess Lucas on record of
being like, yes, it's the

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Vietnam War, Yes, but never
really plants, never really seems to plant

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its flag and goes this is about
something the way that Star Trek does.

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Where Star Wars is about things through
action, Star Trek is very much about

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things, and also though says that
it's about things, Okay, I agree,

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I like. I mean, I've
I've argued many many times that there's

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much to be derived from it about
the value of family and love and commitment.

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And I think in more recent things, I think while I think when

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we started in the Clone Wars,
there's more to be said about things,

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there's I think there's more exploration for
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that's the right word I'm listening for
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here's an episode, here's an episode, here's an episode. Each it's you

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know, each one is discreet and
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opportunity to say social things. Star
Wars was, for the most part movie

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long movie and long movie that was
just doing fun stuff, right, and

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now it's ewok's just doing dumb it's
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Wars does in rebels and even to
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having the same thing where it's like, well, yeah, for the most

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part, we're action adventure and also
things can be said and like about the

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nature of democracy or you know,
just a little bit more not the same

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kind of philosophical explorations, but still
maybe more to be said. Yeah,

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maybe, yeah, you're probably right. Maybe I don't know. No,

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there's there's episodes. Not to cut
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But I feel like now I'm talking
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we're not too No, I agree
with your boy not to that point about

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the Star Wars has been about things
through action, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah yeah, and then
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becomes a little bit more nakedly we're
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talking. There's a lot of talking. Has been Do you remember watching this

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episode of Star Trek? Oh?
No, I don't know. Well,

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maybe it seemed it seemed familiar,
but less familiar than others. Yeah,

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but I don't remember. No,
I don't remember. Do you remember watching

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this episode of Star Trek? Yes, I remember watching this episode of Star

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Trek. I loved this episode of
Star Trek. How old were you when

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you watched this episode? Uh?
First, the first time that I remember

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watching this episode, I was probably
in junior high and high school. Cute,

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I tell you. As I was
watching it, I was like if

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I were a kid, Like if
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especially, and this came on my
television and I watched Kirk and Spock put

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on those fucking suits, like I
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But if I were like a kid
watching how this happened, I would have

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been like, this is cinema.
It's not even cinema, And I would

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have been like this cinema. I
probably would have been like, this is

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one of the worst episodes. Because
high school, I need things to be

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a little bit more grim dark and
serious. Oh sure, your little heart

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like my little heart. Yes,
there's one thing that my heart was back

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then. Definitely wasn't being the comedic
monkey that I thought I was. Back

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then, it was being dark and
serious and brooding, which, make no

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mistake, I definitely did back in
high school. Yeah, but that was

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only whenever I was alone. Whenever
I was around people, I was just

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like, let's laugh, laugh,
let's laugh laugh, Which is you know

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how you are now? Yeah,
we're not here to psycho analyze me.

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We're here Sacho analyzed Star Trek.
When I was like thirteen, I used

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to just lie on my floor in
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to like Lincoln Park, Wallflowers or
Jimmy World. It was a great variety

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of things. Fourteen and like I
just lie there on the floor and I

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just be like, I'm so sad. So yeah, maybe if I saw

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this episode then, I don't know
about it before, Like maybe if I

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were like ten, I'd be like, yeah, now now it's freaking delight.

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I just I was also thinking about
the time period, Like I was

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like, kids probably in the sixties
would also just like eat this. They

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would like they wouldn't use a fork. They just slam it into their mouths.

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Uh. It's interesting because the way
that I, if I'm remembering my

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film history correctly and TV history correctly, cinema gangster pictures weren't exactly in vogue.

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From doing my research, there was
The Untouchables on TV and Joe the

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show. Yeah, and in These
Are the Voyages Season two, it did

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the work for me by reminding me
that The Untouched Bowles was a TV show

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that was on TV around this time, and so easy pitch The Untouched Bowles.

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But in Star Trek Fun Boom,
you get it boom. But that's

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not necessarily the whole genesis of it, that's just the pitch in a nutshell.

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Either way, this episode is delightful
and it's freaking romp, and it

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also manages to obliquely touch on tough
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kind of like Trouble with Triples and
the way that it's coming around the

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Cold War at the same time,
so too kind of is a piece of

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the action kind of coming at tough
guy politics. Yeah, two things all

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right, but if you want to
do a third thing, not gonna allow

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it. Aspen Wow, what if
I got you some concrete goloshes? You

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mean some men overshoes? Oh,
yes, that's so cute. Two things,

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Thing one, I uh Thing one. I had a great I had

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great time. There's a lot of
moments where I was like, yay,

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like chap again. When they like
they put the soups on with the hats,

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I was like, yeah, this
is my time, and I just

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thought that was really great. But
I also but I was at the same

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time weirdly distracted by how often everyone
was holding the idiot ball. I was

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just like, what are you doing? Well, say idiot ball. That's

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when characters do stupid things just for
the sake of the plot. Is this

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a trope that exists that I'm not
familiar with? Oh? Interesting, it's

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a term that Joel, my beautiful
beloved partner, uses all the time.

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I just assumed that it was the
thing. But like it's like you pass

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the idiot ball around like so sometimes
people could be like very capable people and

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suddenly in this episode they're holding the
idiot ball. There are several act outs

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in this episode which end with our
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Meanwhile, transporters exist. It's not
like they put a dampening field. They

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could beam out of there immediately,
but also like if that happened, the

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episode to be over, so you
can definitely like forgive it. Yeah,

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I guess the only moment where it
really actively annoyed me was when uh,

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Spuck and McCoy go back down,
even after they've gone all the way up

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to the ship already, they go
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And there's even you gotta have an
act out Aspen, there's well, there's

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even like Spock literally then comes on
and does like a log and it's like,

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wow, we got caught again.
I was like, yeah, I

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know, I'm here, I'm watching
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like, ooh, this is actually
like a heisty thing we're about to This

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is all part of the plan.
It wasn't look to be fair. McCoy

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and Scottie were holding the idiot ball. I like this term. I like

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this term a lot. I'm going
to yeah a lot. Last week with

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Games of Triskelli and being like Spock, what are you doing? There's no

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way that the captain could be over
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trail the freaking trail. We're following
the trail well, McCoy. Of course,

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everybody was holding a lot of idiot
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And I'm not typically one to get
distracted by this because I also am

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like, yeah, whatever you want
can happen to have the fun thing,

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Like, I can find plenty of
justifications. Oh well, they don't immediately

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stun them because they need to make
sure that they're looking for like a semblance

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of order here that they can help
out. They don't want to like immediately

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get you know, put them on
edge or I don't know. There's plenty

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of things you can go for.
But at times I was like, wow,

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so like, just like watching a
bad improv narrative, how dare you?

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Everybody just like keeps maybe going back
to the thing, and then there's

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no payoff, and then they don't
quite know how to end it. I

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mean, I still liked it,
but I was just like, oh,

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we're back. Who's this guy?
Is that a different a mobster? Someone

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mentioned this, and I know they
did, but I was like, who's

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this guy? There's this so which
brings me to point number two. Here

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we go. I hate gangster movies. I hate them. With that said,

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I like them if they're like Fargo. I like the Fargo TV show.

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Fargo's so boring. Ooh, are
you doing this just a mess with

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me? No, I just don't
like movies about crime. Well, so

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that's what so I would also probably
be on the similar vein of you of

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being like I find gangster movies dull, but I just find movies about crime

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quite dull. Okay, we get
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There's nothing in the daily news that
is indicating that crime is happening,

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not a single part. There are
four billion other pieces being like, let's

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deconstruct Wow, criminal's mind works,
I find I see what's different about that

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is that his parents were shot.
Oh what, what's his mom wearing anything

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distinctive? Uh? Yeah, she
was wearing a Phil Collins T shirt.

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She's like, I can feel like
me. It's a I bang bang.

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Let's get into the deep dive territory
showing imagine Martha Wayne with a Phil Collin

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shirt. Yeah, let's get into
the deep all right, as you sent

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me a very troubling massive Yeah,
this is this does go into the deep

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dip part. Okay mmmm hmm.
Also lol Joel hated that gangster app now

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asmen, I like, I like
a former host of this show, joelty

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Partner, right, I like contributor
joelty Partner Yeah, and I like its

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opinions. Uh huh, I gotta
ask Yeah, much like the inventor of

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podcasts. WTF. Oh well he
is if you really want to know,

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I do, and he can defend
himself. Uh, for what it's worth.

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I also didn't really like this appans. I loved the Shenanigans. I

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loved that. I thought a lot
of it was very funny. It wasn't.

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I was weirdly annoyed by it.
I thought it was fine, we'll

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get to it. It's like a
six for me. What. I was

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also distracted by the idiot baldness,
and it distracted by the weird structure of

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it. I know, but there
was a there was a lot that was

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very funny, like trying to drive
a stick shift, a lot of really

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beautiful moments. So maybe I upset
because if all the Shannigans were fun for

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me. But I don't know if
he hated it. He was just annoyed

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by that. He just he was
the one that out loud was like what

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are you doing just like stun them? Jesus would have been nice. I

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think he was a little I think
he was just annoyed. I don't know.

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I'm not going to put him on
blasts. I would never put joelty

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partner on blast. He's I don't
know, he's not here. You can

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eat. Maybe you want to go
get him? Yeah, no, He'll

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be like no, thank you,
No no, maybe do you want to

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go go? I mean yes,
I would, But also I know that

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he doesn't like to be on on
Mike, and I respect that. Yes,

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I think that's awesome, But I
don't know. I don't know how

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to describe this feeling of being like
I had a lot of fun. It

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doesn't mean it was good. But
Aspen artists objective, Okay, that's it.

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Uh huh uh. You can't just
be ambivalent about it. You'll either

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have to love it or hate it. We're just talking about how it's good

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to come into improv scenes with like
not from a position of not neutral,

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and I'm just trying to have the
best improv scene we've ever had. Kenny

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just coming in guns blazon if you
will me guns Blazon. It's so interesting

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that you're talking about improv because Kirk's
card game fits. Yes. Apparently,

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at least according to James Comac was
improvised. Oh okay, I gotta tell

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you. You're gonna make me like
this episode more. I could tell because

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here's how I could tell, the
way that the guy was responding to it.

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He he was doing that thing like. This is why I think some

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improv is like when you have and
things like this, like scripted stuff.

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Good improv is really incredible because what
is usually happening is people are responding.

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Was so much attention to like what's
being said to them, and it was

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like the way he was responding was
so good. He was just like,

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okay at night, right, okay, no, Jack only does okay.

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Just like the way he was responding
was a guy who was like, this

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is the first time this absolute psycho
was saying this, and I was like,

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this is beautiful. It was very
funny. And then he was just

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like and then you do this,
but oh you're not just like but only

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at night, and he's just like, but only a night but not you

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know, oh no, maybe this
was really fun. So he like distracts

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him and then he just like throws
up the table. It was just super

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funny. Oh damn it? Anyway
cool? Is there other improv? James

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Comac was the director of this episode
as a former stand up turned TV director,

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and they were excited to get him
into the Star Trek fold, and

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so they gave him this comedy episode, one of the last comedy episodes that

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Star Trek will do. There will
certainly be other things that go into silly

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territory later, but as you established
early in this episode, this isn't an

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interesting transitional period between Gene Coon and
John Meredith Lucas. But actually the genesis

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of this episode kind of goes back
to Roddenberry's initial pitches where in the very

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first document, the famous Star Trek
Is Document, one of his ideas was

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just President Capone, Oh my god. And so David P. Harmon pitched

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this as a story and then did
a couple passes, and then Genel Kuhon

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took over wrote the first three acts
and then was like bye, and then

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pieced out. Oh, because this
was during that transitional period, like you

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said, and like we've covered in
previous episodes, I'm so smart for remembering,

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very smart, Thank you, thank
you. So. John Meredith Lucas

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comes in to come finish the show, and then NBC picks up Star Trek

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season two for an additional eight episodes. Okay, wait, I'm sorry,

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Can you back up? Yes?
Absolutely sorry? Were you saying that he

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this script was not finished right by
the times that the new showrunner came up,

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they were working on it. It
was in production in terms of writing,

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yes, but it wasn't in production
in terms of filming. This was

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just a script that was sitting there. Okay, so uh huh, NBC

403
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orders eight additional episodes to get a
full season of TV from Star Treks.

404
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.800
Oh got it. They needed script
fast. They had this script three acts

405
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.639
to go, or they had three
acts written, and they were like,

406
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:28.039
can we bring gene Kuon back on
to finish it? Oh? I see?

407
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.679
And so okay, they actually hired
him back on under this new showrunner

408
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.320
to finish this script. And because
gene Kuhn had nothing to lose and roden

409
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.239
Berry, they just needed script.
And even though roden Berry didn't want any

410
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.480
more comedy scripts, they didn't have
a choice because they needed episodes fast.

411
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:52.039
And that's why this episode with this
silly tone happens. Wow, how much

412
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:59.920
do you think his hourly rate was
at least seven to twenty five an hour.

413
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.000
Be'st minimum wage now, right,
seven dollars and twenty seven dollars.

414
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.440
Yeah, I can just imagine that. He's like, Oh, you want

415
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:12.519
me, You want me to come
back and finish our script for you.

416
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.320
It's just like that's how he sounds, right, It's just like seems like

417
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:23.599
maybe you're going to need to spend
some money almost definitely. Uh, isn't

418
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:29.639
that interesting? That is interesting now
that I understand what you're saying. Yeah,

419
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.679
yeah, now I'm thinking of an
entire scenario where he comes back in.

420
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:38.599
It's like, it's me to complete
the script. Yeah, they finished

421
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.239
the script and it pretty much just
happens the way the Gene Coon wanted.

422
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.159
The production process, people were like, Gene Gene couon this episode, this

423
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.320
episode isn't working. Gene Coon was
like, I don't care, this is

424
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.440
charming. Oh you know what?
That actually aligns with me. Then it's

425
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:58.440
like, the episode isn't really working, but we're having a great time and

426
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.639
sometimes as all that matters, right, Like I guess it actually sort of

427
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.559
aligns even better with my idea of
like a messy improv show where I often

428
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.079
say you know, I would much
rather watch a messy improv show where everybody's

429
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.880
just like having the time of their
life than like a perfect like narrative that's

430
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.719
boring. So there you go.
Sounds like even he knew, but he

431
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.320
was like, we're having a great
time. He's got a little kid in

432
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.400
it who's like, hey, I
want u p out of the action as

433
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.400
that character very well, it's exactly
what Joel's. She was like that,

434
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:37.119
and I was like, that's me. I just wank it in on this,

435
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:44.079
this little kid delivering the titular line, which is great. He's of

436
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:52.320
the action. That is my ideal
character. I'd say, hey, everybody,

437
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.360
I'm just seeing to play stickball.
Well, he does have a real

438
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.719
big stickball energy. Yeah, it
was pretty great. There's like he's just

439
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:07.079
like, who you call him babe. There's this really great line back and

440
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.360
forth. He's just like out of
the mouth of babe and he's just like,

441
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.440
oh, you call him babe,
And he's like, well, I'm

442
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.679
calling you babe, and he's just
like what And then he sits down with

443
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.159
him and he's just like, but
I meant no offense. So good.

444
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:22.159
There's a lot of really really funny
things people say spot telling jokes in this

445
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:31.320
app set fabulous. Uh, he
really doesn't like Kirks driving. Point he

446
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.559
says, you are an excellent Starship
commander, but you're driving leaves a little

447
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.599
to be desired. It's a stick
shift funny. Who can drive a stick

448
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.480
Can you drive a stick shift?
I'm just gonna keep asking you questions.

449
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.599
No, can you? I?
No, I cannot drive a stick shift.

450
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.280
I tried, and I was on
a minor, minor hill in Florida

451
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.840
and I rolled back even slightly and
panicked entirely and have not driven a stick

452
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:05.400
shift since minus not minus mind from
Galaxy Quest. Oh, I can't remember,

453
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:08.440
I've seen it. I promise.
Should we do a Galaxy Quest?

454
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:14.360
Yeah, I've already pitched this as
a Galaxy Quest versus Galaxy Quest versus.

455
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.280
We should do that for sure.
Should we keep this in the book?

456
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I listen. So admittedly it's real

457
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.440
hard. How did they get the
cars? Oh my god, Kenny,

458
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.639
all they had was the book?
Did they build the cars to the book?

459
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:37.639
Because they they said they said that
the Horizon left. The ship that

460
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:44.599
visited them first left like some details
on how to build radios and stuff,

461
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.519
so you safe to assume that they
left some other stuff. But really the

462
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.679
episode is doesn't really want you to
think about it so much as just being

463
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.920
like, how any get that?
Yeah? Yeah, Gus, they got

464
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.599
some timmy guns, having some real, some real Star Trek four energy sometimes

465
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:04.920
especially lead with the car. Oh
yeah, I mean listen as soon as

466
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.519
Kirk just decides to lean into it
and I've got thoughts here, I've got

467
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:15.039
analysis. But before we get into
any analysis, Kirk just being like,

468
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.440
you know what, I'm just gonna
do it. I'm gonna like do the

469
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.320
voice. I'm gonna become them is. It's a real joy to watch.

470
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:29.920
Yeah, and like him interacting with
Scotty and Scotty being like what He's just

471
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.519
like, listen, Scotty, real, have you seen Star Trek four.

472
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.519
No, we'll get to it in
a couple of years. I'm so excited

473
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.480
for you to watch Star Trek for
Christ Almighty a couple of years. A

474
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.480
couple of years, uh, you
know, before we do Next Generation.

475
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:52.599
Actually the episode after that will be
a starting next generation. Wow. Do

476
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.239
you ever think about age and how
long your life? Yes, ever since

477
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.800
I was ten years old. When
you're relying on your floor listening to Lincoln

478
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:07.039
Park and going I'm so sad.
Yeah, well I was attempted to break

479
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:17.400
the habit. Yeah, I will
listen. It's great. I don't I

480
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.840
guess I will just say this.
I'm just gonna tell you like our quick

481
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:30.679
thought I had around it, which
is it makes a lot of this strategy

482
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.599
actually makes a lot of sense.
Like I think we have to be very

483
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:42.559
weary. Okay, Like let's say
on Planet Earth, I'm gonna use a

484
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:47.920
really intense example. You ready for
the sentence as example. Oh maybe,

485
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.800
I don't know. Let's say there's
communities of folks who are still like practicing

486
00:42:52.880 --> 00:43:00.159
things like like uh uh what it
like say, practices that are like oh

487
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:07.599
gosh, not so great for like
health, right, And a lot of

488
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.960
white people are like, let me
just like hop in here and tell you

489
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.119
what to do, right, But
like that's not gonna fucking work, and

490
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:21.599
it shouldn't work because like someone coming
in and especially with like history of colonization

491
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:29.320
or uh like xenophobia and kind of
other pieces like of course, these like

492
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.920
white people with power coming in and
being like no, like or like,

493
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.360
here's like the idea of cultural humility, right, like there's people who believe

494
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.440
in There's a book I read called
like The Spirit Catches You Fall Down.

495
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:49.159
It was just about like among people
about a child having epilepsy, and they

496
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.119
saw it as like this actual,
like spiritual kind of encounter. And the

497
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:59.199
doctors who were like, let me
actually like engage with you about this,

498
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.239
instead of just being like, that's
stupid, she has epilepsy, we need

499
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.599
to give her medicine. You're an
idiot, Like, instead of doing that,

500
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.920
the ones who are like, hey, let's like talk about this belief

501
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.119
system and actually like work and be
with you and also then be like,

502
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.360
here's some additional resources within the context
that you understand. That's when it's going

503
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:16.880
to be successful. Right, That's
a much better example than what I was

504
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:22.599
going to go for. And Kirk
being like, wait a second, I

505
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.920
can't just walk into this culture and
be like, here's what you need to

506
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.920
be doing. He's like, I
actually need to like understand and adapt to

507
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:37.000
this like cultural situation and then adapt
my uh the way I approach this in

508
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.840
a way that is in line with
that, and that's why it works.

509
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.880
That I was like, luck at
you did you go to social works school?

510
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:54.360
He did it that's the joint and
then at the same time it shows

511
00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:04.519
the farcical nature of this masculine bravado
and how somewhat could come in with different

512
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:10.079
intentions just adopt the language and is
able to enact major change because it's all

513
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.800
this tough guy inness is so hollow. It is just a giant dick measuring

514
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.480
context. Do you is that really
the intention where they actually like, I

515
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.639
think, just like let's have fun. Okay, are you? Is that

516
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:30.760
your interpretation to be like, I
think this is a satire on how on

517
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:38.880
how these types of big man structures
are stupid. Yeah, I hope that

518
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.039
the intention is there because Star Trek, even with Trouble with Tribbles, that

519
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.320
was still a cold war satire that
happened to have some comedy, and so

520
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.039
too was. I mean, this
is poking fun at gangster cultures and is

521
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:58.599
like straight up going, this is
silly, this is stupid. Yeah.

522
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.800
Absolutely, it's all con game.
That's true. It's very much like we're

523
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.559
all just kind of cooking around.
Yeah. All the mob bosses are exactly

524
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:13.920
the same. Yep, there's no
cultural differentiation. It's and ultimately Kirk is

525
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:19.119
able to infiltrate all of them just
by adopting their parlance and then showing a

526
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.840
great having a great show of force
and basically being like, I'm the biggest

527
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.960
man here and so I'm going to
tell you. And he actively is like

528
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.039
They're like they're at that point when
as soon as like the ship stuns all

529
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.199
those people on the block. Yeah, that's the moment where they're like,

530
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:37.280
oh my god, what do you
want? What do you want? We'll

531
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.000
give you a cut, we'll do
all these things. What do you want?

532
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:40.880
And he's like, you're going to
be in charge, You're going to

533
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.880
be is like, right, Hammond, You're going to be this person.

534
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:45.639
And they're like, oh my god, yes, please, can we give

535
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.440
you even more money. It's just
like they were just looking for the bigger

536
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.360
guy, the biggest guy. And
I think that's where the satirical and farcecull

537
00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:00.559
elements come into play, because they're
the ones holding the idiot ball. The

538
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.119
end. Nah, I don't know
if that one works. Just yeah,

539
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.960
it doesn't work. It's a brand
new term. I appreciate it. Please

540
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.159
give me some grace. It's like
when I have used the word lampshade wrong,

541
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.320
which is a word that you use
a term you use a lot,

542
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.079
and I think I use it wrong
sometimes. Thank you for teaching me new

543
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:23.239
things. I'm here to teach you
things. We're all learning together, speaking

544
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.039
of learning together, talking because this
is the end of you walks Oh yeah,

545
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:36.000
yeah, yeah, Well we can
leave our elegy for Ewoks at the

546
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.800
end and more talk like I feel
like Battle for the sun Star was supposed

547
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.360
to be the finale. Rather,
I have no literature to back this up,

548
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:50.639
but just knowing TV and knowing just
look, even the animation studio that

549
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.559
was working on this, Nelvana had
another Talking Bears cartoon that they were working

550
00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:00.440
on with care Bears. Lucasfilm was
trying to do other things. It had

551
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:06.199
Indiana Jones. Yeah, it was
already on its way out. It was

552
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.599
an expensive show to make. I
just imagine that Battle for the sun Star

553
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:15.320
was finished first. They were like
party Ewok and Malani the Warrior probably was

554
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:22.360
just not done. And that's why
this thing ends with a whimper the way

555
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:29.599
that it does. Yeah, though
we do get some closure. We get

556
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.480
closure about how a lot of people
have crushes on each other and it's never

557
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:38.119
going to go anywhere, which is
yeah, I don't I don't like in

558
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:45.480
the end of Malani the Warrior,
where Milan, I mean Wicket gets stood

559
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:52.440
up by Charita, our new warrior. Ewok, yeah, where's Asha?

560
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.559
Yeah? Where is Asha? But
also Ash is way too good for Wicked.

561
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.800
Oh, Wicked should know. I
think Wicked does. Now, that's

562
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.719
part of it, and that's why
you never see her again, I will

563
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.480
say. Strong beginning though, having
her beat one of the other duty walks

564
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:15.159
handily and wrestling, I was like
nice Wicked's brother. Yeah, that's right,

565
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:20.519
it was just really nice. What
I realized it was a lady.

566
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:28.960
It was a lady, a woman, woman, the woman a woman.

567
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.440
Yeah. And then at the end
of Malani the Warrior, whatever, Wicket

568
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.400
gets stood up by Cherita Wiged's like, come on, Mulanie, we'll take

569
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:44.760
it. Don't do that, don't
do that, don't I will say,

570
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:50.199
at that point, I do think
Mulanie had already said her piece about being

571
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:55.119
like I have already set my piece. Do you know that the same person

572
00:49:55.199 --> 00:50:02.079
does the voice for Nissa and Malani. Big surprise, big surprise, m

573
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:08.880
Yeah, because like, yeah,
Mlani's little voice is like time what I

574
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:14.960
learned, and basically she says she's
like I learned not to change yourself for

575
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:16.639
other people. And I was like, well, at least we got that.

576
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.519
Like also, given the system of
the Ewoks, you can't even be

577
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.360
a warrior because you haven't been studying
and you have to test on it,

578
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.360
so you can't even do that.
Malani, hey, she could be a

579
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.320
hat maker. She's gonna have to
be take a hat maker, test make

580
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:40.239
a hat. Those lack of skills, she's gonna have at me talking like

581
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.519
hat makers are like the lowest.
Yeah, no, we know what the

582
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.519
lowest is. It's the stable muckers. She seems very offensive. It is

583
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:54.360
very offensive. Everyone must pull their
weight. Also, I don't know,

584
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:59.119
this begs larger questions of how we
structure society, and I don't think we're

585
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.840
going to solve the ill. Oh
give it a try, give it a

586
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:15.719
dry. I like the fact that
SunStar made the log fly. Oh remember

587
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:22.199
that? You mean when they in
this episode, when the these people they

588
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.599
get the SunStar and their big plan
is just make everything mud. Would you

589
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.280
like to see it? You like
to see it? I was like,

590
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.960
okay, I okay, We've seen
the Sunstar's power in a lot of different

591
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.800
contexts, and from what I can
tell it can just do whatever you wanted

592
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:44.880
to do, kind of like Thanos's
stone situation. It's like, whatever you

593
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.599
want, you can make it happen
if you have it. And so these

594
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:53.679
little, these little snuffelomphaguses were like, all we want is for everything to

595
00:51:53.719 --> 00:52:01.159
be mud. What a dream?
You know? Like I don't you know

596
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.559
what if I had that sunstone?
Nah, I probably do the same.

597
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.280
I just feel like, why not
be mud? You know? Also just

598
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:17.480
begs larger questions of I felt that
the log could have been lived, sure,

599
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:27.440
begging questions of sentience. And maybe
the emperor was so interested in end

600
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.320
or, you know, because he
wanted to get the sun star so we

601
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:39.679
could think about creating life. Oh
jeez, Louise, Like like in that

602
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:47.440
movie episode three, Revenge Revenge of
the Sith, remember it? Remember it?

603
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.800
But I bet George Lucas doesn't really
care, because no one ever talks

604
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.960
about you walked up to this point
again? Uh just kind of remarkable.

605
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.239
Yeah, oh yeah, so sorry, I was like, what are you

606
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:07.119
talking about? No, I got
it. Remember Anakin's arc kind of completely

607
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:17.639
hinges on that. Yeah, I
do remember that. Goodness, gracious,

608
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:23.559
Sorry, I sometimes I promise I
am a huge Star Wars fan. I

609
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:25.679
just want every one to know.
I promise I'm a Star Wars fan.

610
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.000
We're bringing the Ewoks train in and
it is Look, it is out of

611
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:37.920
steam. I think because of obviously
we do chronological order. Yeah, the

612
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.719
way that George Lucas intended it right, it's released the way it's like,

613
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.639
I forget because Ewoks is so removed, it's so from just the rest of

614
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.840
Star Wars. It's just like,
as you were talking, it's just I

615
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.280
was like, oh, okay,
right, because this would have happened after

616
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.599
all of that. Yeah, you
know, I'm just like, where is

617
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:07.960
it the timeline? Wow? We
didn't. Wow. What a time and

618
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.639
truly what a ride we've been on. Right, Aspen, We've been on

619
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:17.559
such a ride like, oh,
don't you take my walk lighter and clip

620
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.920
it. Don't you take my Richard
buddy and nip it. If you spill

621
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:30.119
the tea, I'm gonna sip it. My starship it gets better and better.

622
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:38.840
Speaking of getting better and better,
Aspen Kendall, last Ewoks episode,

623
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:45.199
Yes, last I starship it for
Ewoks. Yes, let's make it a

624
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.840
good one. Let's make it what
I is. I starship it for people

625
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:52.119
that are starting with this episode first. Imagine people are starting with, oh,

626
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.400
they're finally covering the end of you
walks got to tune in. People

627
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:05.480
are like, what's up with that
sleepy purse starship. We're going to go

628
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:12.079
through our favorite ships or vehicles from
either property and then our favorite romantic ships.

629
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.440
We can choose from either one,
and sometimes we steal from each other.

630
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.880
Oops in this case, I don't
know if we're gonna do. I

631
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:24.599
mean, actually I do. I
do know what we both want for if

632
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:30.079
we were to say for the vehicle
for Ewoks, I think we know what

633
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.599
it would be. You want to
say it on three? Yeah? One

634
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:46.800
two three. The motorcycle bikes,
Yes, from Party e Walk. We

635
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.840
alluded to this earlier in the episode. But the pugs, which are ostensibly

636
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:58.679
bikers that are indigenous to Endore big
honkers. These are otherwise known as at

637
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:07.039
least according to Wooki pede yea rooms, rooms. They're sentient beings. They're

638
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:13.760
alive and they seem very happy to
be Yeah, they love their job.

639
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.760
They love their jobs of being sentient. Motorcycles. They sound exactly like motorcycles.

640
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:25.840
They do. Oh my god,
do you think much like the cars

641
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:36.920
of in from nineteen twenty Chicago.
How did these things arise? Oh my

642
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:43.639
gosh it it does beg how the
biome, yes, how the environment of

643
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:51.079
indoor evolved this creature to sound exactly
like a motorcycle. Yes, exactly,

644
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.519
that's that is my question. And
it sounds like a situation of like,

645
00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.199
oh, I forgot the term for
it. But it's like when there are

646
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:06.159
creatures that seem similar, but they're
actually not related at all, like evolutionarily

647
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.599
wise, they but yeah, but
they don't even or like they don't even

648
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.760
have like a common ancestor. They
just have similar characteristics. Did you know

649
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:23.199
that there's two different types of sloths
and there there's like three toad slots and

650
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:30.119
then there's another type and they're actually
so biologically different that they can't mate with

651
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.840
each other. So sad. Yeah, like what if they love each other?

652
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:38.280
I mean, I guess they all
have to have sex, you know,

653
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:43.840
like I just be together or other
ways. It's just we can't we

654
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.119
reproduce, right anyway? Is that
wild? But it's like that, right,

655
00:57:49.239 --> 00:58:00.719
It's like somehow these weird dinosaur alliat
or motorcycles evolved while motorcycles evolved separate,

656
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:08.039
no common ancest. You're so good
aspen, I will let you have

657
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.199
the room. No, you have
the room unless you really want to say

658
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.599
another one. Well I got another
one. Okay, then you say the

659
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.079
other one in the chamber and you've
already touched on it, just to be

660
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.239
on brand as the Star Trek person. Yeah, I know the flivver.

661
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:30.559
What the flivver? That's what they
call the the vehicle, the car that

662
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.480
Kirk and Spot get into. The
flivver. Yeah, like, is that

663
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:39.440
what the flipper? Who calls it
that? It's in the episode they call

664
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:45.719
it fliver they do. Yeah,
gosh, what was I doing eating spaghetti?

665
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.599
Yeah, you're probably making googly eyes
at I was like, thank you,

666
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:57.880
I love you. Also, I'm
so sorry to say that Shatner just

667
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.960
keeps getting hotter and hotter for me
with every episode. I'm so upset about

668
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.880
it, and he it's hotter and
hotter. I'm upset. I'm upset with

669
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:10.519
you. I just I don't know. It's like the more funny has the

670
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:14.480
hotteriest. To me. That's probably
just true in general. You know,

671
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.480
I did not catch this call fliver. Yeah, so Flivver at least according

672
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.719
to the American Heritage Dictionary of the
English Language. An automobile, especially one

673
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:29.400
that is small, inexpensive, and
old cool. That is, Kirk and

674
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.119
Bach have some shenanigans. Kirk drives
the car very badly. You have a

675
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:42.039
great little comic set piece there driving
around Stigma Iosha Two's delightful and for that

676
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.920
I put that as my starship for
the week. But it's still any of

677
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:52.199
what's game as we go into the
relationship asspect asmen Okay, mine's from Star

678
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:58.920
Trek. That makes sense, and
it's that one gangster who and McCoy,

679
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:09.079
the gangster that calls McCoy like blue
eyes McCoy, that one gangster that calls

680
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:15.679
McCoy blue eyes, blue eyes.
That's it. There was just enough sparks.

681
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:20.280
I was just like, this is
it? I ship that hard.

682
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.960
That's the one. There's not much
more, but you can tell that there

683
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:30.039
was something, you know, because
he does have blue eyes, and I

684
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.840
think that's the first sign of it
at the beginning of a healthy relationship,

685
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:38.920
to notice things about each other.
Yeah, that's my excellent and my ship

686
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:45.679
is Wiechi and Cherita. Oh,
because it is the only consensual relationship in

687
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:52.079
this episode. Yeah. In the
episode of this particular episode of Ewoks,

688
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:59.239
it seems consensual and also good on
WHICHI because if this were I don't know,

689
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.119
a first season an episode, maybe
Weichi would have thrown a little fit,

690
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:06.000
yeah, being beaten by a girl. But instead he shows a maturity

691
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.559
of being like I can lose and
still want to be with this person.

692
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.119
I mean, we might even go
step further and be like, Wow,

693
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:21.360
I lost, that's hot. Someone
else might be screaming dangar you know what

694
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:30.719
I mean, dangar fork. But
also I would be remiss if I didn't

695
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:37.360
talk about in Malani the Warrior,
uh huh, where they're talking about crushes,

696
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:45.280
they're talking about having crushes Yep and
Wicket talking about it, ignoring Wicket,

697
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:47.920
and then Nissa being like, Malani
has a crush on you, it's

698
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:54.280
exactly the same as you and and
Charita Yep, to which Tibo then says,

699
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:59.239
just like Latara ignores me, and
then Latara quite cheerfully goes, that's

700
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:05.559
right. Oh I they know exactly
what their dynamic is and they're locked into

701
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.639
it. Yeah they love that,
you know what, Yeah, I loved

702
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:13.960
it. That's what I meant by
like at least we got some closure around

703
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:19.039
everybody's crushoush. Yep. They all
need their kids. They don't need to

704
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.719
like date you can oh, no
know what, No change, I can

705
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.719
change it. I can change it. I'm changing I'm changing my ship.

706
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:31.000
We can do whatever you want because
we didn't even talk about it. Aspen

707
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:37.360
what even though the I don't know
how old he is. Oh but Nissa

708
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:45.000
Yeah, and Prince Delby, Oh
you're right. Oh my god. So

709
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.159
Nissa at the beginning of party,
you walk, Yes, it's throwing a

710
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.800
rager. You and I might think
it's a racher because Nissa's being very passionate

711
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:59.119
about her acorn collection, but her
floody ditty friends are being like snore hanktious.

712
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.239
But Prince Delby is coming into town, and so Chief Chirpa telling his

713
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:08.800
daughter, Look, you're going to
be a chief Tess. Mm hmm.

714
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:14.280
She feels sexist. You could just
see the chief just say chief. It's

715
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:19.360
more work, so weird. Uh, you gotta throw a party? Yeah,

716
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:24.840
Latara me the social claimer that she
is latches on makes needs to change

717
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:30.199
everything about herself. Yeah. Also, she's excited because she like dreamt about

718
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.199
the Prince being hot. Yeah,
she was like ooh, which, to

719
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:36.880
be fair, I did take a
nap during this part of the episode,

720
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:42.400
and I had the exact same dream. Didy have that little Ewok but like

721
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.920
he's it's just he's already forree but
he has a very specific for mustache.

722
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:52.639
Yeah, exactly. It was exactly
that. Yes, holy shit, I

723
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:58.400
know. Wow. Do you think
that maybe you can also predict other Ewok

724
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.119
related things? Yeah? Addicted every
one of these episodes. Wow, not

725
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.320
like anything else, just you Walker. Yes, I had no idea what

726
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:10.280
was going to happen in each Droids
episode, every Ewok episode. I was

727
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.880
like, this feels familiar, incredible, what a gift, you know.

728
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.039
So anyways, Nissa throwser party,
the Pugs come wreck it. Uh they

729
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:24.039
think the Pugs are him? Yeah, funny and weird. Talk about holding

730
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:27.800
the idiot ball. Yeah, I
mean truly a lot of idiot ball holding.

731
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.880
Even low Gray is like hello,
great to see you, and I'm

732
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:39.280
like, loger, you're a fucking
wizard. Uh. Wicked is able to

733
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:44.639
dispatch the Pugs by sending them to
du lock Town. That's funny, once

734
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.360
again, conning on those poor du
lochs. All they want is soap okay,

735
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:51.400
and then finally at the end,
Prince Delby is like, sorry,

736
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:56.679
I'm late. I was looking for
a Claren. And by this time Nissa

737
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.400
has learned the moral of the story, which is you don't need to change

738
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.639
for anyone. Your acorns are exciting. They go look at your acorn collections.

739
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:10.880
It's funny that both of those Ewok
episodes are They're both about not changing

740
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.400
yourself for someone else or for society. And maybe this is the animation team,

741
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.679
and maybe this is the writer screaming
of being like, we don't need

742
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.639
to listen to George Lucas tell us
how to make ewoks. We've got this,

743
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:30.320
and they're like canceled. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. So I ship

744
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.960
Nissa and Prince delby writing off into
the sunset, and by writing off into

745
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:39.159
the sunset, I mean looking at
their acorn collections just so sweet, sweet

746
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:45.320
little babies. You know that shit, that's the one, that's the one.

747
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.000
I guess I should have also maybe
said no, no, I don't

748
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:56.920
know. Those weird elephants were I
think brothers, but I also liked their

749
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.679
vibe. I can ship them with
me. Well, you know how,

750
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:04.039
some some couples just kind of grow
to look like each other. Maybe it's

751
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:08.960
that I do you know what,
just we ship them all. We ship

752
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:15.079
everyone, Yeah, ship everybody.
But that's not the purpose of this podcast,

753
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:17.679
aspen, it's either one or the
other. As we finally come to

754
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:21.559
the conceit of the entire podcast,
which is better Star Trek versus Star Wars,

755
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:26.079
as we rank a piece of the
action versus Party e Walk, Malanie

756
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:30.360
the Warrior, a piece of the
action Star Trek the original series versus Party

757
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:38.519
Ewalk, and Malani the Warrior from
Ewok's I'll go first, a piece of

758
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:44.079
the action. I'm going to give
it an eight. Okay. I thought

759
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:49.719
it was an absolutely delightful rop that
was silly, fun, good, enjoyable,

760
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:58.159
funny, and delightful. Nice.
I'm going to give it a six

761
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.599
point nine. You love to see
it nice. This is the one up

762
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:02.800
from a six. Actually, no, it's making it like a six.

763
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:05.639
I want to say six point eight
because it's fun. Six point eight,

764
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.800
six point seven, seven, six
point seven. You don't want to go

765
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:15.320
on lower. Nope, I most
at six point seven because you talked me.

766
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.079
You talked me up from six for
sure. I thought it was a

767
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:26.320
super fun romp uh great, Shenanigans
had a great time. Episode itself was

768
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.920
fine. I'm thinking bad, it
were funny. Are there better written episodes?

769
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:35.559
Sure? But uh yeah my vibest
dude, love these vibes. Yeah,

770
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:40.480
I love these silly field vibes.
And also I think rodden Berry kind

771
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:45.199
of was hitting on something because if
the rest of the show we're going to

772
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.280
lean into territory like this probably would
have been like a camp classic, which

773
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:54.199
startre kind of is, but then
it gets real serious at some point with

774
01:07:54.599 --> 01:08:01.280
next Generation really uh but like as
it is, it's just super delightful.

775
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:06.599
Yeah, it's so much fun.
Fiz been fris Ben, it's a fun

776
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.760
time. You's got that kid,
He just wants to be by the action.

777
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:16.039
Speaking of big part of the action, Ewok's Party, Ewok and Malaney

778
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:20.800
the Warrior. For good measure,
I'm gonna rank it a point five?

779
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:30.800
Are you out of your mind?
Latara calls one of the Pug says to

780
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.960
one of the pugs, move over, fatso and I won't stand for such

781
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:39.760
fat shaming. Okay, fine,
I missed that. That's fine. You

782
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:43.279
can have. You might feel differently
about it. I don't like it,

783
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.920
I know, I mean, yeah, I would like to say I'm totally

784
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:55.399
fine with that as a totally fine
with it. It is a thing I

785
01:08:55.439 --> 01:09:00.199
missed that. That's wild. How
much of that kind of language is then,

786
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.039
As I think we've litigated on this
podcast before, I think it's still

787
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:13.680
largely acceptable to clown on fat people. Yeah, because the folks could be

788
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.399
like, clearly they're unhealthy, right, that's something you could actively change,

789
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:26.680
So okay, well, but make
no mistake, that's a spite ranking.

790
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.239
I think these episodes were adequate,
and if that language wasn't there, i'd

791
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.319
probably rank it like a six.
Oh interesting, yeah, oh really yeah

792
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:41.039
wow. Yeah, I was gonna
go for like five point six, five

793
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:49.840
point six, which means did it. That did it, which means that

794
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:58.079
uh, with my spie ranking into
a Piece of the Action, although it's

795
01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:01.279
still even if I had not spiked
ranked it, Yeah, that's still would

796
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:05.439
have won a Piece of the Action. Wins this week with a robut seven

797
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:11.840
point three five versus ewoks Poultry three
point oh five. Oh my god,

798
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:23.159
oh my gosh, wow whoa wow, wow, let's clean. No,

799
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:30.159
let's clean. That's silly, aspen. Yeah, we never have to talk

800
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:34.880
about e walks again, never ever, ever, we've done everything. How

801
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:41.319
look what you would you build yourself
as a tight hard Star Wars fan?

802
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:49.000
Yes, and this is your first
time going through Ewoks yep. And now

803
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:56.479
we are finally yep, after a
year of steady work on the other side

804
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:03.640
of this project. Yes. How
do you feel all the experience of watching

805
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:13.239
Ewoks Androids, this whole forgotten sector
of Star Wars and deliberately forgotten sector of

806
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:16.000
Star Wars? How do you feel
that this is enriched your understanding of Star

807
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:23.359
Wars if at all? Uh,
listen, I know I've complained. I

808
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.479
am listening. I'm so glad we
did. I'm so glad to watch every

809
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:31.520
single episode. Some were fine,
some were absolutely like the best things.

810
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:36.720
I had a lot of fun,
like Shenanigans. I you know, I

811
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.960
think that there's I you know,
even it's it's forgotten, but I can

812
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:48.239
tell the the like the DNA that's
in it. You know, some of

813
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:53.880
the things that sort of carry over
the themes are still interesting. I'm glad

814
01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:57.840
we did it. Also this way, I guess to be like obnoxious and

815
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.680
if anyone's ever weird to me,
I can be like playing that jelly Wax

816
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:11.760
and Droids heavy ah, so,
now yeah, I mean this was for

817
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:21.640
the babies, but I'm glad,
how about you? It is we treat

818
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:27.960
Star Wars and the narrative of Star
Wars is so caught up in George Lucas

819
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:32.359
and the Great Man narrative, and
it is so good to just be like

820
01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:35.039
and also Droys and' u woks.
This was Star Wars. This was Star

821
01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:40.319
Wars. And this is what Lucas's
concept of Star Wars was. This was

822
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.399
his like, this is the next
thing, this is my next extension of

823
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:48.640
Star Wars. It wasn't I'm gonna
jump into the prequels. It wasn't let's

824
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:53.600
jump to the sequels. It wasn't
any of that other stuff. It was

825
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:59.880
still very much this is for kids, and this is an extension of that

826
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:04.560
thinking. Because it was an Empire
Strikes Back was still kind of the outlier

827
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:12.880
a little bit at this point.
And it's only with kind of the dry

828
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:18.720
period of Star Wars from eighty six
to kind of air to the Empire,

829
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:25.760
and then finally to the Special Editions
that Empire gets reevaluated with a changing audience

830
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:30.840
and an audience that was growing up
with these movies as one thing as opposed

831
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:34.920
to what it was at this point, which was three different movies kind of

832
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:42.119
okay, and then these TV shows. I think it broadens the definition of

833
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:47.319
what Star Wars can be because it
can be anything. It can even be

834
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:54.840
for little babies. Yeah, but
there's this perception through a large swath of

835
01:13:54.880 --> 01:14:00.840
fandom and really probably in the back
of my mind, Aye, in the

836
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:06.800
back of your mind too, that
Star Wars is a little bit more sophisticated.

837
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:17.319
I yeah, I like its ability. It kind of shows early on

838
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.439
that it can be really any kind
of thing. I mean, what if

839
01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:26.399
will I ever go back to this
show? No? No, am I

840
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:30.439
glad that I did this? Yes, because I'm a sadist and a completist

841
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:35.760
and I wanted to finish this.
I just I remember one of our earliest

842
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:40.159
conversations that I think even led to
us doing this podcast in the first place,

843
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:43.399
was you being like, well,
Star Trek, It's to be a

844
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:45.560
lot of different things in a lot
of different spaces. Star Wars feels like

845
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:50.439
it's always focused on this one thing. What is it to be a Star

846
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:56.279
Wars story versus a Star Trek story? And there's more variation in the Star

847
01:14:56.359 --> 01:15:00.359
Trek versus Star Wars your argument,
and I actually feel like, yeah,

848
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.880
he walks specifically and endroids as well, sort of shows that early on there

849
01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:06.600
was a lot of variation inside of
it, and there's a lot of spaces

850
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:11.720
that it could go and you know, obviously visit indoor, but this is

851
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:15.239
its own world that exists, and
it's very fascinating, and there's other spaces

852
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:18.640
and other places and other individuals to
interact with, and there's more of the

853
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:24.000
story. It just gets to play
around in the sandbox that's created. And

854
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:30.399
I like that Lucas was, look, look, your enjoyment of the series

855
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:35.039
may vary. I understand that,
Uh, there's a reason that this thing

856
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:43.159
is forgotten, I think. And
also Lucas was still you give the guy

857
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:47.800
creative credit of being like, yeah, this is what I think Star Wars

858
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:56.479
is going to be next, and
like he walks like kids babets. It's

859
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.319
a kid's TV show, which is
cool. That's rad. You know,

860
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:04.479
there's no preciousness to it, so
so cool, Like why not you know,

861
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.239
you should get to do like any
kind of thing should have your lower

862
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.279
decks end, your Prodigy and your
DS nine and your goof times. You

863
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.720
know, yes, and you should
have. Yeah, your Clone Wars and

864
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:29.000
your Empire and your Ewoks and your
return return that's the Jedi sorry snaming things.

865
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:35.239
Yeah, like the next three episodes
of things that we will be watching

866
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:43.239
because we're going to go right back
into Star Wars Star Wars because we got

867
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:49.000
we got a couple of the special
editions huge Seismic Events wild yeah, which

868
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:57.760
because we have specifically watched these non
special editions, and I don't think I've

869
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:01.760
watched special editions for a while now. Same. But you're yeah, as

870
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:08.920
someone who was not really aware of
because as we know per my stories,

871
01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:14.199
I didn't watch Star Wars until ninety
nine. They were released in ninety seven,

872
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:16.000
so it was not a big deal
to me or even known to me

873
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.760
when it was released. So I
think from like a perspective of like the

874
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:24.520
cultural impact, I'm excited to talk
about it. Yes, and we will

875
01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:29.840
talk about kind of the cultural repilot
that Star Wars goes through in the nineties.

876
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.319
But other than that, that's a
wrap up. Eoks. That's a

877
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:45.680
close on the book of book one
of Star Wars. Ah And if you

878
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:50.359
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879
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880
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881
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885
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886
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:33.119
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887
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:40.880
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888
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.479
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889
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890
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:56.359
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891
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892
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893
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894
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895
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:18.439
letting us play his I Starship at
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896
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:25.560
to mister Tostin Alfeso for our theme
song intro and outro am I missing anything,

897
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:30.880
Aspen, No except that you love
me and I'm such a good friend.

898
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:38.000
You took the words right in my
mouth. I love you, Aspen

899
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:54.119
and as Par. Always, as
the Ewoks say,