Aug. 9, 2024

Cloak of Darkness vs. The Tholian Web

Cloak of Darkness vs. The Tholian Web

Aspen and Kenny go out of control on the implication of Senate Commandos. Kenny goes out of control on the two (TWO!) directors for The Tholian Web. 


And Aspen goes out of control on the logos, pathos, and ethos of this week's Trek.

Also Uhura. ...

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Season 1

Aspen and Kenny go out of control on the implication of Senate Commandos. Kenny goes out of control on the two (TWO!) directors for The Tholian Web.


And Aspen goes out of control on the logos, pathos, and ethos of this week's Trek.

Also Uhura.


It's out of control.

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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Treker Star Wars by going through both

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franchises and chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison, the

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Star Trek contingent with me as we're always it's the

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co host with the mo host.

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Aspen Webster, the Star Wars contingent. Kenny, you are like

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locked in today.

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It's important to be locked in because sometimes you kind

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of get stuck in a web of your own design,

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well not really your own design, but maybe the Tholean's design.

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Or maybe my design. But yeah, I drapped you.

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Possibly if you were As we talk about two big

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honkin episode Cloak of Darkness versus the Tholian Web Cloak

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of Darkness from Star Wars the Clone Wars season one

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versus the Tholian Web from Star Trek the Original series

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season three.

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I gotta tell you what a joy to have two

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barn burners as opposed to say a fun episode or

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good episode and a episode.

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We're referring of course to Bomb Bad Jedi, which we

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covered with Patrick Cottner.

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And that what did we even watch? I don't even

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remember the Star Trek episode. I don't care. I liked

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Bomb Bad Jedi, and I don't even remember anymore of

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things that happened for.

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The world is hollow and I have touched this guy.

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Oh, I guess this is fine. I don't know. We

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liked it for McCoy, that's what it was. We have

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it props for McCoy. But otherwise, especially there's something just

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incredibly motivated you're exciting about being like, Okay, this is

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like these are two bangers fire just like we are

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balancing plot and character and excitement and also just like

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really good writing. I just that's how I That's just

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how I feel.

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Speaking speaking of really good writing. Joe Crosby, who reviewed

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this from the Saint Petersburg Time in her weekly column

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and her rather her syndicated newspaper column review that's only

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in web.

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Sorry, if a newspaper column is syndicated, does that mean

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it like runs across the country in different newspapers.

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That is correct? Yes?

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Oh, like a TV show.

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Yeah, like a TV show, like a future Star Trek

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show that we will come Wait.

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What's her name? Joe Crosby, Joan Crosby, how much cash

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do you think you get from that? Do you think's

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like loads of cash.

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In nineteen sixties money probably like a million dollars a column.

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Shut up, I don't know. I do a fair amount

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of research. I don't asthena, I don't know.

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I don't I don't know either, So I asked you,

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but I just for it makes sense. There's obviously other

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syndicated columns.

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You probably made bank back in that those days because

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newspapers were more valued. But he goes, You're not here

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to talk about the finances of newspaper calumnists. We're here

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to talk about The Tholian Web, released November fifteen, nineteen

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sixty eight, credited director Herb Wallenstein and writer Judy Burns

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and Check Richards in one of their first screenwriting assignments ever. Ever, Yeah,

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they're basically kids. So Joe Crosby writes about tonight's episode

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Mister Spock Takes Command and tonight's Star Trek, an episode

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that is mostly devoted to special visual effects, which includes

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no quite good animation. Captain Kirk is trapped in an

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alien space atmosphere that can disintegrate matter, and he is

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presumed dead when he is unable to be being back

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to the Enterprise worse, the starship is being in gulfed

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in a web emanation from a powerful area, and any

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attempt to break loose will only mean putting an end

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to the search and rescue operations for the captain. True.

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True, She's not wrong.

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Do you agree with that synopsis?

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Sort of? I mean yeah, more or less?

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That's right, interesting?

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More or less?

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Do you yeah? I agree with it?

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I don't know. I don't know. I mean it's fine.

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It's a lot of the effects are actually pretty rad.

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Yes, revolutionary effects.

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Fantastic stuff. People phasing in and out. Oh cool, some

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creepy Kirk in the mirror, yes, oh so good. Danged dang, okay,

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well that was great, man, See anyone near this locked in?

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I just want to like you.

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Want to bring into some chill energy.

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No, I want to bring in like some awful trickster energy.

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Think. This is why. Look I do I do the

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research I'm locked in? Was like, but like what I

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liked about it is like it was fun and stuff.

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Can we talk about cinder Kurshion? I don't know, okay.

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So.

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Compared to Star Wars Clone Wars Cloak of Darkness, which

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was released December fifth, two thousand, and eight Season one,

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episode nine director is Dave Filoni. In this case, it's

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the second of three a three episode arc. It was

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written by Paul Deany. Hey, actually is so good. I

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didn't even know that until this moment that I was

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written by Paul Deani.

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Wow, wow, wow.

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I mean he's the main writer. It's also Henry Gilroy,

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a series writer. It's supervising writer.

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What does Henry Gilroy know but.

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To have Adini Anna Filone might explain why this episode

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is out of control.

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What's great about this episode is and it's out of control?

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It is so good.

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Has anyone talked about how out of control this episode is?

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They haven't. We're the first. We're the vanguard. No one

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has ever talked about this episode before.

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We are the vanguard.

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We're the vanguard, the vanguard for this stuff, especially not

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podcasts that were solely devoted to this show.

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None not even think about a more civilized agent talking

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about the complicated uh economic politics that are talking about

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in bombad Jedi or no, don't worry about it? Where

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the look at me, look at me now?

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From TV Archaeologist, I'm the best luminar and Dooley and

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Ahsokatano are transporting the captive Viceroy Newt Gunray to Corussant

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to face trial. Of course, he was captured in Bombay Jedi.

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The previous episode, Count Good Job, Count Dooku deploys his apprentice,

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the assassin Massage.

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Out clarify with Assage Ventriss is one of the more

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normal characters in the show.

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I would say Assage Ventures is a bald of hairless

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harpy and a bog witch. Yes, to make sure gun

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Ray is either recaptured or killed rather than have him

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spill separatist secret. There's episode rules. This episode rules. I'm raven,

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I'm raving. He's so good. I love as Sage ventest

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Ventriss Ventriss, Beniloquist Ventuance. I cannot describe to you how

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hot she is and how scary she is and how

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if you like kind of like poker a little bit

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she goes, She's so cool. Okay, that's how I feel.

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How do you feel?

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I liked this episode a bunch, yes, sight, how do

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you feel a lot? I mean, I love a Sage

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ever since she showed up in the Gandy two D

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clone Wars where she was like, you know what I am,

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I'm a terrier. I'm gonna bite your ankles off. I'm

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not just going to bite your ankles. I'm going to

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bite your ankles off. And there is thought with Anakin

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on you having four in the rain and the was

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happening on the light. Remember when we watched the two

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D Clone Wars and you were like, I watched this.

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It's great, and yeah, I mean the ventures fight was

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out of control. It was one of those things.

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Out of control, and we would know we are the vanguard.

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We are the bad card. No one has talked about

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this before before us control Luminara out of control, not

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out of control, annoying, very control, actually very in control,

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a very interesting dynamic. Not to just immediately jump in,

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but kind of to talk about.

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Hold one, I gotta play it. Uh sound effect, first

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impression of the.

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Nice nice, nice nice s I I realized my my

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chair just squeaked because I'm pulling my body in with

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such excitement and like I'm just like I can't I

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can't catch it. I can't figure it out. Listen to me.

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Much like famous rapper mcamer, you can't touch this, you

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can't touch this.

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I'm thinking in terms of threes. Okay, you're ready, you're

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ready for this, Okay, this episode had it all. There's

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there's like three kind of a three for dynamic of

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the idea of the energies. The Assage Ventrist energy, the

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Luminara and Duly energy, and the Ahsokatano energy, which I

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feel like are three. They're very different. Luminara is old

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Guard Jedi. Also famously, no, it was shocked. I was

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gonna say, I didn't Luminara tie cremous.

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That was shockedy well, Luminara and.

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Her embarrassed offie. They do have that great temple piece

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in Tarsky, which is fantastic. I will not tell you why,

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but I have a grudge against Luminara.

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Sure, I mean, I believe you are spoiled as to

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what happens with Luminara right in the future.

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Yeah, right, what am I thinking of?

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So I'm watching this episode and I'm like, ah, interesting

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that they're putting this much juice on this character. I

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don't know if this was what they hadn't intended she is.

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She is an old Guard representative of the kinds of

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ideas of the Jedi that ultimately lead to their dumb downfall.

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She is willing to learn in this episode which is good.

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I appreciate it, and I you know, I do think

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a character like in Ahsoka is so like there's this

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fiery kind of brashness and energy which is oneonderfully kind

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of foiled to hers and then this kind of actual

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unhinged energy that is venturous and I just find it

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to be very interesting and love it. And on the

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other side, with the Star Trek episode, I just want

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to call this out speaking there is no real connection here,

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and I like talking about threes, but I just like

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came out of it being like, there's three main things

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happening here, which is that Kirk has been phased out

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literally he is caught in a space where he has

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been like phased presumably out of existence, along with a

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ship that defiant the first defiant, there is a second defiant,

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yes nine. The other thing is happening is there's basically

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because of this like phasing, there's like a space sickness

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that is going So there's another thing that's happening. And

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the third thing that happened is happening is that these

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Tholians are a threat. So three things that are happening

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that presumably what's the fourth oh, the fourth.

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Thing is just trying to betin and McCoy is like,

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you wanted to take the captaincy and spots have you

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not spent the last three years with me on this ship?

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Right, well, and that's the internal conflict versus like I'm

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thinking of like the the plot points that then now

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dictate the thing, because at first and that one, I

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was like, there's too much happening.

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I think the first should have been called spos busy Day.

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Yeah, anyways, that been in the morning he is, Yeah,

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he is having a real day, that's for sure. There's

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so much to it, There's so much emotional depth. But yeah,

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I'm thinking in terms of plot points because at first

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I was just like, there's too much happening in this episode,

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and I was like, wait, there is just enough happening

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in this episode and it's all actually feeding the emotional

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depth of this And yeah, so I think the dynamism,

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I think my connective factor here why I think both

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were There's so many reasons why. But it's like so

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much character work, so much interesting connection between characters, and

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like the plot doing just enough to actually highlight that

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character work, and that is what is valuable.

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See, I find because it's first impressions, the Sony web

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and the Spock McCoy stuff pretty intolerable. Actually, wow, McCoy

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do McCoy is behaving so out of character, and I

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grant your head canon is he's grieving, but then the

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things that he is saying to Spot are so ugly.

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They are they are, which I guess I took it

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in the context of their entire relationship and that's I mean,

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it's really You're right, like, it's pretty intense.

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They they have had a clear respect for each other. Yeah,

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and this episode, because Kirk is not there, it completely

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comes uncorked. And what perhaps this is just because I'm

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a boy and identify it with Spock more because logic

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of all of this stuff. Yeah, and McCoy is completely uncorked,

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uh huh in this episode and it feels ugly. I

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wish that it was framed just a little bit more

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explicitly for me, because that's the kind of viewer that

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I am. And then it's just kind of a sleepy

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What wild Oh my god, we're.

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Covering stuff that we've already covered and kind of uh.

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We are Yeah, Galiles I guess, well, I don't know,

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it's been a while. It was enough for me. That's

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enough for me that I was like, oh, oh, I'm

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into this. I actually explicitly thought to myself, Wow, well, wow,

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I'm glad we're not covering stuff we always cover. Yeah,

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I mean, I just yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is

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your first impression.

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It's my first impression.

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This is your first impression.

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There's something very interesting about the notion of as opposed

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to Galilee A seven with the show is still kind

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of trying to find itself. This one, it's firmly locked

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in what the dynamic of the show is, the triumph

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it Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Every episode Kirk, Spock and

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McCoy Kirk Spock.

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Yeah, So what happens when Kirk.

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Is removed, McCoy becomes unquirked. Spot should logic down, but

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instead he keeps but because Spock is cool, keeps doing

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this thing.

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Yeah. Yeah, I guess in terms of the comparison of

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the two, like you would think that if you remove

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any key point of the Triumvirate then they would start

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to sort of lose themselves and should have been like

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a little bit more. Yeah, because I took it so

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strongly as like you're right, grief. I took it as

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a culmination of frustration, because they respect each other, but

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they but like they remain frustrated with each other, like

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they have a real like sort of little conflict, the

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type of relationship that you can imagine is only tempered

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by Kirk being there and I so I do so

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it actually like while it was cool, I was like,

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I am here for this type of I mean, because

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it's the huge, huge human reaction, right of just like

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overwhelm versus yeah, cool, calm, collected, and what does that

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mean ultimately? So I guess yeah, yeah, in practice perhaps

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a little bit clunkier than it should have been. In concept,

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I found it to be extremely engaging, so because I

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found every single like I just like I was just like,

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I felt that there was enough happening all around that

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it never got stale.

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Into their like, I mean, this is an iconic episode.

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It is, Yes, I feel greattholient web is an iconic image.

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And whenever you're watching the original version, yeah I was,

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I'm sure the remastered version, but there's just something very

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powerful about watching that web slowly form. Yes, whenever the

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Tholian chips just kind of dock back to back and

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then suddenly Aline forms and they're like what, they can't

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do anything because the enterprise is broken. Yeah, it's iconic.

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The ship gets surrounded with a web and it's a

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really novel solution that they come up with having to use.

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Suddenly all the plots converge all at once. Yamn. That's

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good screenwriting, which is amazing considering that these kids were

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the foils that wrote this, were fresh out of film

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school and we're just like, I want to work on

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Star Trek because the Star Trek is cool and so like. Literally,

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the first script that writer Judy Burns started working on

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was a spec Star Trek script. She hadn't written a

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script before partnered up with chat Chests Oh Chat, which

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I believe that this is his one and only screenwriting credit,

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who was just like, yeah, we'll try this out.

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Cool, great job.

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Has a Star Trek episode which is a great party story.

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Oh yeah, I read an iconic episode of Star Trek.

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You you were going to Charlotte.

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Yeah, I'm gonna count yeah. Ah. Calling this out for

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a second, I don't think there's actually a pattern here,

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and I think it's productive to say this, but hey,

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like the last time there was an episode significantly written

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by someone who was not a white dude, I also

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was like, wow, this feels interesting and like we're really

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digging into character and emotion. And it was the Medusa

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episode Medusa episode Hot Up. I feel like it was

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really like in tune with what those emotional reactions and

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relationships might be when faced with like an external conflict

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again dangerous dangerous interest to be like, there's because of

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a woman, because like, man, I'm still like white woman,

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still like within the structures, but maybe like different types

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of voices. What can happen? You know, what can happen

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when you have like excited people with different perspectives.

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Yeah, imagine exactly exactly that.

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On the other side, we have Paul Deany and Tavaloni

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writing the best episode of Ye.

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You can really feel them digging into exciting things, specifically

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with not Command Agree, our guias.

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Our guys, who is voiced by James Marsters by the way,

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our buddy Spike. Indeed, Yes, yes, a joy Joy for all.

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Wonderful. Had no idea where his character was going to go,

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because it felt like his character was going to shift

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at some point, I was like, Oh, it's not gonna happen,

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and then he did. I was like, I knew it,

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which made me feel really smart.

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I couldn't. I was like, I'm pretty sure this guy's bad,

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but I couldn't. I was like, but it's because I've

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seen this before, because what's happening for me not bad.

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He's just gonna portray because you know, does like he

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wants fucking money, don't we all?

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Wow?

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Whoa, Yeah, he's He's a really interesting. It's really interesting

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by the way, to have you know, speaking of these

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different like dynamic forces, going yeah, going back to this episode,

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to have you're sort of antagonists, you're clear antagonists of

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venturists and trying to get new gun ray and also

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have soldiers and what it means it's like to have

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the Jedi and then to have and like to have

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our clone soldiers, and then to have these Senate Soldiers,

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the Senate Guard, and I'm just like, I'm like, you

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don't get to they're not engaged in the same way

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that clones are. Who you know, clones are just by

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nature they are so committed to the cause. So what

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does it mean when you get this kind of wild

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card and also that kind of like consistent value piece

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is an interesting thing to think about too, But.

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Yeah, consistent value piece.

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I just feel like they not all of them not

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you know, there's there's so much of like within the clones,

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there's so they're people. So there's when I have variation

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of like who they are and what they believe in.

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But for the most part, they're all like, they're all

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like company men and they're you know, and and that's

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you know, if we're going to be saying, because they

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are all individuals, it's not like that's bred into them.

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It's weird shit, right, but they are born to be

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to believe in this cause and then trained from childhood

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to believe in this cause.

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Yeah, what does that mean? You know?

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Oh, actually I'm.

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Now thinking about this within the context of the shape

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of What's Wars is and the preel. The prequel nature

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of this, yes, works in its favor. You can't watch

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Star Wars chronologically in terms of how it happens in

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the universe because you're like the watch watch me, this

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is a mess that none of this makes sense. But

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if you watch this within the context of you got

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your original trilogy, ye, and then you've got your prequel trilogy,

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which is trying to say something and fails pretty much. Okay, well,

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also I ignored e Walks and Droids, so sorry. Then

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you watch you Woks and Droids and you're like, what

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a delightful rot But then you get to the prequels,

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and the prequels try to introduce shades of gray, but

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I feel like the execution is there on the page.

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It's not there in the execution of films. And then

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you've got the Clone Wars, which is now for general

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audiences that are watching those are now introducing that Empires

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this is how Empires fall and Empires rise. Yes, and

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you've got our guys. Yes, who is We've had characters

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who are You've got our guy, our guy, We've got

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assage baddie, We've got our Clone guys, Goodies, goodies, our gui.

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Is Is it goodie that turns into a bad? Have

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we had that yet? In Clone Wars.

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We've had We've had people that we trusted betray us,

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like in Bomb Bad Jedi. That just happened, But that's

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not a goodie becoming a.

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Baddie in regards to our Rodean yeah head and even

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that one was because the.

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Republic was desperation. Yeah, yeah, you let.

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Us down, which begged clergic questions, but the episode.

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Doesn't get to go into them.

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You want to listen to the amazing economic double down.

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Listened to a more civilized age about the new gun

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ray art Uh, truly truly marvelous.

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Where we were are making jokes. We're like, oh, I

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can't know.

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Fuck. Meanwhile, they're talking about how the Republic has been

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specifically designed to make sure that there is an error

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dependence on every single planet. No planet can create self

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sustaining ecosystems, which creates its own kind of indentured servitude,

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even though it keeps the illusion of everything is good.

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That's oh you know, okay, wait so sorry, can we

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back up a second. Yeah, that is, this isn't quite

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the same thing that has a real England forcing Ireland

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to to export its crops and its their growth than

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the only thing they could really keep. So you know,

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like the potato famine, it happened because they had to

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ship all of their goods into England. Really like so

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when there was a potato fam and that's why they

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started to starve. And it had to do with colonialism

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that's what did it. And it has that sort of

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vibe of like the Republic is fundamentally kind of colonialist power.

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Yeah. But because of Star Wars, for young adults, they're like,

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don't worry about it. Here's dret truck. Because that's the function, right,

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The function is to participate with the cool Star Wars

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toys because it's fun.

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But if you're tricking me into thinking about global politics,

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universal galaxy politics and trade negotiations, I mean cool.

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And now you have a senate commando our guy is yeah,

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And now we have a character who is specifically duplicitous,

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who is coded as good then turns bad and it's just.

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Complicitly explicitly because he's like I need the money.

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Basically, he's a senate man Doo guarding New Gun Ray. Yeah,

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the possibly the most important person in the Clone War,

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maybe second only to Count Dooku. Okay, you have a

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guard for New Gun Ray yep. But and he turns

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he's a double agent. Yeah. The empire the Republic is fallen. Yeah,

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because if you do not have people that are willing

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to adhere to the so called idealism of the Republic,

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what do you got?

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Actually, Oh, gosh, sorry. This is also making me sort

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of think about the like neoliberalism. Like what we're talking

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about this colonial power and the structure of the of

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the galaxy. It is fundamentally neoliberalist. And it's back to

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that whole like Jesse Gender Jesse Earl's analysis of this

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of this neoliberalism that fades or that gives rise to

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fascist them And I'm thinking about like times where we've

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had in history like military cups and this has this

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has the feeling. I mean, this is one actor, he's

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working independently for his own monetary game, but it's like

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a kind of a neoliberalist times when there have been

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military coups have also been actually in other countries where

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our neoliberalism has affected those countries and led to military

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cups to be clear, like a Chile in nineteen seventy three,

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in which we we destabilize the government.

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And it's fine in America's the best country on the planet.

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But I am thinking about in this context of neoliberalism

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as leads to fascism and like this kind of breakdown

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and starting to see that also like people in positions

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of like what would be military authoritarian right of how

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they could like kind of be very inclined toward this

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fascistic system. Can see them like they've been inclined the

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whole time and they've just been waiting for the moment. Yeah, right,

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Like they've been like, well, we're like halfway there. I

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guess we have some social services or whatever, and now

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they're just like, oh, is it time? Yeah? You know,

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so interesting if that made sense, kind of just like

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thinking through the concept.

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Of it, I think so, yes, because he.

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Is fundamentally you know, this is it's a militaristic structure.

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It's authoritarian imagine in structure or it can like I'm assuming.

469
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.039
That these senate commandos are the elite of the elite.

470
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.799
They are not clones. They are human beings. Yeah, there

471
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.119
is not a military at least the way that we

472
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:46.200
understand it in Star Wars so far without consuming EU.

473
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.799
The way that we understand the military arm of Star

474
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:55.240
Wars so far, it's in the name wars. People have

475
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.720
gun and they fight and sometimes they have spains warts.

476
00:28:59.039 --> 00:28:59.799
It's in their name.

477
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:00.759
It's in the name.

478
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:02.319
These are wars.

479
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.920
But a military force did not exist prior to the

480
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.960
exists of the Clone Army, which was built in secret,

481
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.240
but no one asked questions because they needed it, because

482
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.640
there was a crisis, because Palpatine's behind it all. But

483
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.480
Palpatine was creating a crisis that would necessitate an army

484
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.960
so he could be able to be in a place

485
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.920
to create a military coup and seize power and killed

486
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:31.680
the Jedi. But the Jedi are also morally gray because

487
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.720
they're functioning as space costs, which I'm not entirely sure

488
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:36.920
that we are getting that notion, but having just watched

489
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.839
The Acolyte and that deals in such wonderful shades of gray,

490
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.079
and so it's extremely complicated. But within the text of

491
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.680
the prequels, and the Jedi are kind of well again

492
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.640
on the page, the Jedi are a broken institution that

493
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.599
are kind of turning a blind eye because they're just

494
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:57.400
in power. Why even bother as stealing this again from

495
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.319
the more civilized age. They can't do their basic function,

496
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.720
which is predict what the heck is going to happen.

497
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.039
Their powers of precognition have diminished, and so they can't

498
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.359
serve their functions. But they don't tell the Senate, which, uh,

499
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:14.440
you know, how would that have turned out? Because Palpatine's

500
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.960
behind it all. But anyways, interesting TLD. Yes, the Klon

501
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.880
Army manufacturing, but there's also these Senate commandos, Senate commandos,

502
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.319
Senate commandos.

503
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.599
Well, we can assume just just I'm I am making

504
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.759
a textual inference, which is that the Jedi aren't the

505
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.640
only ones representing a sort of peacekeeping force, like they

506
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.359
are like these higher up peacekeepers, like they're diplomats in theory,

507
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:46.359
but they're also they are clearly enforcing laws. But like

508
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.400
you still need like on the grounds, like or you

509
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.759
still need a protection for the Senate. You'd still need

510
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.640
these highly trained guards, you know. So I'm sure there

511
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.920
are other types of police forces, and I think we

512
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.000
have within the context of Star Wars we've probably seen.

513
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.160
Let me play on this head canon because I think

514
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.599
there's textual evidence of this. Whenever you need to make

515
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:10.119
a show of diplomatic force, a show specifically, you want

516
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:13.079
to broadcast send it is behind this action. It's not

517
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.920
a Jedi. We want to broadcast that the Senator is power.

518
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.400
Well, so can I not to stop your thought?

519
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:20.480
But how dare you?

520
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:22.240
It's just a star.

521
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:25.200
Fun time.

522
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.960
It's just a fun time for me. I saw this

523
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.440
group as they're guards.

524
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.000
They're not a police force guards.

525
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.359
It's like there's like the like the Emperor's guards, like

526
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:40.039
they're guards, They're not a They're not like if we

527
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.240
were to extract it kind of like extrapolate it out,

528
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.920
like it kind of seems horrific that you actually.

529
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.279
If they are just guards, way into the weeds here.

530
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.359
But I'm doubling. And also there's a specific function for this.

531
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.880
If they're just guards, why do they have the label

532
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:00.759
of Senate commandos?

533
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.039
You're right, commando does You're right? Forgot what the commando piece.

534
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:08.240
I was just thinking of them as a guard.

535
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.680
But there's also nothing necessarily textually that is demonstrating this.

536
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.240
But also it's a demonstration that we the Senate, the

537
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.000
Senate of the Republic, had this on lock. We don't

538
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.279
need the Jedi on this. We are strong enough that

539
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.440
we can handle this a show for.

540
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.000
It is pretty wild that they send them even when

541
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:28.720
they've got Jedi.

542
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.440
Did you watch did you watch this week's felony.

543
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.119
Z I didn't. That's why before we talked, I was like,

544
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.240
oh no, I didn't do.

545
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.559
My rese well, the TLGN are about that, And I

546
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.640
also needed to go outside of the Foloni Zoni for

547
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.079
other reasons. But for the Foloni Zoni this week, Folony

548
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.799
specifically one of the Senate Commandos, because he thought that

549
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:55.440
it was too soon for clones to turn. Oh, he's right,

550
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.839
and so he created the Senate Commandos. Okay, start playing

551
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:00.960
with than these notions.

552
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.039
It is too zoom at this point.

553
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:05.519
I agree.

554
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.559
And that also kind of plays on what I was

555
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.599
talking about earlier, which is like, that's not to say

556
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.519
if there aren't going to be clones who their own

557
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.119
accord would turn or to have different feelings, and there

558
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.240
are there are some that defect, and there's stuff like that.

559
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.000
But so yeah, from a but from a narrative perspective

560
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.759
this early in the show, I agree. I think that's

561
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:23.279
a good move.

562
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.880
Yes, what else did I write down? New Gun Raised

563
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:30.839
voice is crazy?

564
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:34.759
You were like you wrote down Aspen is probably the

565
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:39.440
coolest personal I know to write that, I see it.

566
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.839
I don't have screenshare on here, do I. That's weird.

567
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.440
We also have an interesting I wish we also have

568
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.480
an interesting pairing with Ahsoka and Lubinara and Duley, which

569
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.240
I love the fact that Clone Wars is just like,

570
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.240
you know, who's together this week? These two characters. Why

571
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:04.079
don't exactly know. They're just together and yeah it doesn't matter, Yeah,

572
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:04.640
I don't.

573
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.480
It goes a long way. I think to have Ahsoka

574
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.880
with other characters and other types of Jedi who are

575
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:18.239
not just Obi Wan and and Anakin, because she is

576
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:22.800
you're now seeing like her. Her personality obviously different from Annakins,

577
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.559
but they share that brashness and that sort of kind

578
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.840
of impetuousness and are just kind of the way that

579
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.960
they just burst into things at this point.

580
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.440
And I think that it is that Tude goes part

581
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:40.880
and parcel with kind of what is the complicated necessity

582
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.840
for this environment because we've got Luminara, and we've got Ahsoka,

583
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.480
who is the brash new blood, and then you Luminara

584
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.280
and Dooley, who is the ostensibly the entrenched system that

585
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:56.159
is not working.

586
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.800
In it gues yes, exactly, We've also she is the

587
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:04.119
entrench system that is also had years of being on

588
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:09.079
top and having you know, being like, uh, we are

589
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.159
the ones. And then the Jedi, the Padawan, who's all

590
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:18.320
she's ever known is war. Yeah, good good a good foil.

591
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:24.719
They are good foils for one another, yeah, goodness gracious.

592
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:35.360
And then there's Ventres aside Friendress, I love a witch bitch.

593
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:41.119
You know, she's from dathamir right, sorry spoiler, she's from

594
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.159
dathmre right.

595
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:43.079
Wonderful.

596
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:45.599
She's a literal witch bitch.

597
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.039
I like the witches and act like better than the

598
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:52.199
dath of mere witches. I mean there, and it is

599
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:52.880
a competition.

600
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.679
Yeah, there are different types of witches for sure. Actually,

601
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.000
I don't want to like reveal this because I'm embarrass

602
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.000
I don't I Actually I haven't watched the last two

603
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.400
episodes of The Actolyte because I didn't want it to end.

604
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.719
And I do that sometimes where I just like kind

605
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.880
of want to let it go for a little bit,

606
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:12.719
and then when I do watch someone and I feel

607
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.440
really sad because it's over. I just want you to

608
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.199
know because I really liked it and I got kind

609
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:20.639
of overwhelmed emotionally by it.

610
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.400
Asage. Massage needs to prove her.

611
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:30.320
Worth right because she's failed a couple of times. She's

612
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.079
she she like, uh, well, no, I get into some

613
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.719
other stuff because the next episode so but it's like

614
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:41.920
they do keep they haven't done super great. Yeah, These

615
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:48.119
Doku buddies, these Douku children, children of Douku, these Dukelings,

616
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.840
these dukalings. Yeah, so yeah, she has to prove herself

617
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:56.960
and she succeeds. She facking does it so she gets it.

618
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.199
Wi I was thinking she gets them out, like she's

619
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:03.679
the one that I mean, well, Argyle whatever, our guy,

620
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:08.000
you have something, Kenny, there's just two of us here.

621
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.000
You don't have to raise your hand as part.

622
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.480
Of the system. Kenny Madison over here and raising a

623
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.239
hand and within Zancaster. I'm just thinking about this. Yeah,

624
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.599
we've been having a very insightful discussion.

625
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:20.760
Then do you want to talk about farts?

626
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:26.239
Do you think that George Lucas whenever inventing the new character,

627
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:29.280
when an episode two was like should he be a

628
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:36.039
count or should he be a duke count? Or duke count,

629
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.199
Duke ou Count.

630
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:38.039
Do.

631
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.639
You think that it was like that look at me?

632
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:54.400
Yes, okay, great, I yes, you're absolutely.

633
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.719
Right, Like and then Twarp's on the internet afterwards, we're

634
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.320
just like Count Doucu has this noble backstory? Is its

635
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.079
actually this fallen Jedi and it's actually so tragic and

636
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.599
it's just so tragic and what I meanwhile, George looks

637
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:16.800
like count the count uh count account.

638
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.639
I forgot that account was something you could be if

639
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.960
you weren't Dracula. I thought it was just a Dracula thing.

640
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:31.800
You could be a count, I could. How let's look

641
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.039
it up. Give me how to how to be a count?

642
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:37.880
How do we do it?

643
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.039
Count is a historical title of nobility in certain European countries.

644
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.280
That's great, and that's what is account? How do you

645
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.599
become account? Royal titles dot? Thank you?

646
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.760
Yeah, thank you for looking.

647
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.119
So it's not surprising that the ways to become account

648
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.239
have altered over the many centuries since the title press

649
00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:00.159
came into you. And like many of the boor this

650
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.960
is too much seo stuff. Okay, here you could inherent

651
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.920
account title, thank your headlines. Okay, you could become account

652
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:14.079
by marriage probably doesn't want to participate in that, or

653
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.000
partner you could purchase account title.

654
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:19.119
Stop it.

655
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.559
This rarity and exclusivity would explain why noble titles are

656
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.280
still regards with such a steem and fascination. So it's

657
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.719
not surprising that on rare occasions, families with the legitimate

658
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.519
claim to a noble title mate you just to sell

659
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.800
the privilege. Obviously just considerable something. So what you do?

660
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.960
It sounds like you got to go find someone who's like,

661
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.159
I need some scratch. Anybody want to be account I'm

662
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:42.119
selling account hood.

663
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.440
Do you think that's how Dooku got his count hood?

664
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:46.000
Yeah?

665
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:51.239
Yeah, like of those three, I think he married. You

666
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.280
think he married into it?

667
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:52.639
Yeah?

668
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:54.239
I think that bitch bought it.

669
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:58.000
Yeah.

670
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.039
Yeah, Dan, he was just like it was like, my

671
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:09.000
name is Dooku, and that's stupid. Like he's because like,

672
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.639
can you buy like a duke hood? And he probably

673
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.519
was like, can't be duke Dookie, can't be Duke dou

674
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.760
Gotta be count Dooku, can't be Prince Douku, can't buy

675
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.599
the prince hood. Gotta go buy that. I think he

676
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:26.360
bought it, assuming that. I mean if if if in

677
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.000
the Star Wars Galaxy of the same thing as European titles,

678
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.840
I imagine we have the same structure.

679
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:32.320
I think it's exactly the same.

680
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:40.320
Yeah cool, okay, yeah, wow, what a what a podcast?

681
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:43.559
What's our star trek again?

682
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.719
Yeah, let's talk about star Treks. So the director was

683
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.199
fired in between what they had this episode had two

684
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:56.400
different directors because notoriously, as we've established, NBC is keeping

685
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.519
the show around because they know that they had to

686
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.000
have a third season because they got more fan mail

687
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.639
than they've gotten on anything ever in the history. So

688
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.320
it would just be bad form to be like, no,

689
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.719
we're not going to do a Star Trek. Yeah, but

690
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.360
then they are just like, uh, you have to be

691
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.559
in this time plot. Not only that, you have to

692
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.719
come in at this budget, not only this, you have

693
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.400
to film this amount of time, which might be fine

694
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.840
for to say, ask me, what's the sickcom idea that

695
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:24.079
you have?

696
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:25.840
Is it common idea?

697
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:30.679
Yeah? On a too long It's a show about stupid lawyers.

698
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:33.320
That's what the show is. That's Aspens, that's as show.

699
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.639
Aspen comes in and she's like, stupid lawyers. Stupid lawyers

700
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.760
can come in, you can shoot stupid lawyers in six days,

701
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.599
and stupid lawyers can come in at one hundred thousand dollars.

702
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.519
But a Star Trek, Star Trek, a Star Trek has

703
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.199
never been done before. So even in three, they're still

704
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.559
coming in and being like, we have to figure this

705
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.239
stuff out. Case in point, the Tholeian Web, which was

706
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.559
created by a dude who came in on Day of

707
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:07.000
the Dove. Now about that, if I if I am

708
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.719
remembering the story correctly and I remember the story. I

709
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.800
mean referencing the use of the boy just U season

710
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.159
three by Mark Susan Osborne.

711
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.519
Thank you, thank you.

712
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.639
Mike Minor is the guy who made the Thlian Web

713
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.519
happen or what happened. I'll just read this specifically, thank

714
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:33.840
you you're doing so good from Mike Minor, who was

715
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.960
freshly hired. Because he was like brand new and so

716
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.880
it had to do with Union's he brought art in

717
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.960
onspec for free. The Union regulations prevented the production company

718
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.719
from commissioning work from an outside contractor, but they could

719
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.639
by existing material, which is why this guy has jump. Anyways,

720
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.960
in regards to making the Solian Web, now was the

721
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.199
one I worked the longest on and involved three to

722
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.239
four months out at Frank Vanderveer's optical company, the go

723
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.679
to company that made all the ship shots and stuff.

724
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:14.320
I store avoided the seventeen cuts of effects that the

725
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.119
script called for, shot the raw footage, and executed all

726
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.960
of the animation plates in conjunction like a normal episode

727
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.440
of TV. Now would probably have upwards of one hundred,

728
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.840
if not maybe a thousand like special effects shots, seventeen

729
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.840
cuts within the Tholian webyear so once they shot the

730
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.599
model of the Tholian ship against black velvet, I projected

731
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.440
the shots a frame at a time onto a white

732
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.960
card with a rotoscope, set up a technique in which

733
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.760
animators trace over footage frame by frame and plotted pencil

734
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.159
marks where the ship moved by tracing and advancing each frame.

735
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:56.239
Then I created the cell like cartoon animation using black

736
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.000
lines for the grid. Each shot in the episode showed

737
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.599
a partially completing grid with one line being animated across

738
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.079
the field, as if by the Tholi and Chip. I

739
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.800
shot those by pulling a white card frame by a frame,

740
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.599
revealing the black line underneath a black and white negative

741
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.280
of all of this resulted in a black background with

742
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.719
white of clear lines on the film, which was used

743
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:19.280
to create an animation burn in.

744
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.920
Holy shit, incredible.

745
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:28.519
Meanwhile, we're watching it and being like, that's cool. This

746
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:34.159
dude worked three to four months, frame by frame. Yeah,

747
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.719
doing something that had never been done like this before.

748
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:43.800
Not as wild. Oh, I actually watched the one on Paramount,

749
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:48.119
So I watched the new version, and now what I

750
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.360
need to do is go watch the original because that's

751
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:58.239
that is extraordinary. Great job, buddy.

752
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:03.519
Uh so you're having to do that which has essentially

753
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:08.679
never been done. Okay, having to find a solution. Oh sorry,

754
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:10.800
I was talking over you, wasn't I.

755
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:11.960
No, it's just making a joke.

756
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.159
No, what what's your joke? He said?

757
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.440
He said to you, and I said me, yes, said me,

758
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.599
I'm me And then I realized, you know, you weren't

759
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:25.800
talking to me. What m hm. So basically Sam Raimie

760
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:31.679
making evil dead? Yeah, I mean, I mean the amount

761
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.239
of time, of course, Like it's a different kind of

762
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.960
situation where it's like, oh god, my god, that's so

763
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.360
much time that he committed to this. But it's sort

764
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.519
of like the kind of like when you don't have

765
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.880
all the resources available to what do you produce extraordinary?

766
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.079
That is? And you they created, Mike Minor created something

767
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:56.159
completely iconic. What an iconic look? Mike So. Ralph Sinenski,

768
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.960
a go to star Trek director, was the director of this.

769
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.519
And I don't know if I properly established they were

770
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.320
doing special effects that had never been done before.

771
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:10.199
Could you say it again?

772
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.880
They were doing special effects that they had never done before.

773
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.199
What and paramount at this time is like you have

774
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.599
to finish an episode in six days no matter what.

775
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.719
Great even if you are creating a star Trek with

776
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:30.400
special effects that have never been done before, and the

777
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:36.719
folks upstairs know that Fred Freiberger knows this, Gene knows this,

778
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.519
and then not only that NBC knows this, but they're

779
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.079
just like, no, six days, you have to bring this

780
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.880
in six days. Ral Sinenski, a go to guy, is

781
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.639
having to deal with Captain Kirk who is fading in

782
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.199
and out. You are having to deal with McCoy who

783
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.639
is fading in between the ship. You're having to deal

784
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.639
with the elaborate special effects. And then not only that,

785
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.480
the freaking stupid space suits.

786
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.920
I really liked the spacesuits, like if we ever had spacesuits, No,

787
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:12.599
we have never had space suits before.

788
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:17.800
And not only that these because Gene Roddenberry is Gene Roddenberry.

789
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:20.440
Each actor there are four space suits.

790
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.760
I believe it all has their name on them.

791
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.840
Each actor had to be sewn into the spacesuits because

792
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.079
rodden Berry did not believe that in the future they

793
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.519
would have zippers, So anytime any of the actors needed

794
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.719
to go to the bathroom, they had to get unsown out. No,

795
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.239
shut the fuck up all of this. Uh huh, creates

796
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:49.960
a time problem because the space suits are awful, they

797
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.639
aren't working, the special effects are taking a long time.

798
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:55.760
Uh huh.

799
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:00.519
And at some point they're like, Ralph Senenski, you've gone

800
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.639
over budget. I don't care if you're one of our

801
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:04.400
go to directors, You're fired.

802
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:07.480
Oh my god.

803
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.519
This creates a new atmosphere where now even established company

804
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:18.480
men aren't safe. And Herb Wallenstein comes in, finishes the episode.

805
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:27.960
Herb and I believe directs a couple more episodes or

806
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:37.239
so yeah, so it's not good the the environment on

807
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:41.880
season three start talking the original series it's not doing too.

808
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.239
Well, right, and it hasn't been doing hasn't been doing

809
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:45.920
super well.

810
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.440
And then for a while you couple that with the

811
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.639
fact that you watch this episode and you're like, this rules.

812
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.760
I got as you were saying that, I was just like,

813
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.079
thank goodness, I loved this and vibe with it so

814
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.440
hard because I'm like all that all that work, I mean,

815
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.400
and that's true for everything. Now. We talk about it

816
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.480
sometimes where sometimes I'm like, I'm like I might not

817
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.679
like something, but you know, I still got a respect

818
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:11.880
in art, you know, But this time around, I'm like, oh,

819
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:13.760
I'm glad. I didn't know any of that. I was

820
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.920
just like, this is great.

821
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.639
So yeah, I'm not terribly fond of this episode, but

822
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.480
a lot of people are, like I said, these are

823
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.239
this is one of the most famous episodes of season

824
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.119
three of the original series. Then, not only that this

825
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.119
episode came in twenty four hundred and thirty eight dollars

826
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:34.920
under the mandated budget.

827
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:42.000
Well there you go, get out of here. Wow, that's extraordinary.

828
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.400
I believe there were just some suits who were like,

829
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.400
time for me to prove my power.

830
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.960
I mean, it's like any kind of organization. Yeah, doesn't

831
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.360
sound unfamiliar for people who have no actual like understanding

832
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.400
of boots on the ground. Just such a militaristic thing

833
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.800
to say, like the actual experience of the thing. I

834
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:06.000
mean being like, no, I don't think so.

835
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.760
James Cameron famously uh, maybe not necessarily, but James Cameron

836
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.000
says that film mak he used war.

837
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.159
Okay, perhaps it is appropriate.

838
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:20.599
Bound James Cameron is notoriously one of the most chill

839
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.159
directors ever. It's just so chill. What a chill director.

840
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:28.880
It's not like anyone on his sets has ever almost drowned. Uh,

841
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.440
not once, Not one actor has almost drowned.

842
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:34.800
Tattoo has got to stop filming and water.

843
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:36.000
He's got to stop it.

844
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.519
He's got to stop being obsessed with water.

845
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.480
Every other movie. He's obsessed with water every other movie.

846
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.559
James Cameron The Way of Water.

847
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:54.159
Well, not every other movie. You gotment, we got water Terminator,

848
00:50:54.599 --> 00:51:01.519
not water, not water, Aliens slimy but not water water

849
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.920
esque but out water. You know what is water? The

850
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:06.320
abyss Oh.

851
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.400
Oh, it's yeah, it's We're still back in time.

852
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:09.000
I love you.

853
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:10.360
I love that.

854
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.840
Maybe not every other movie, but like every two movies,

855
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.320
because we then after that got Terminator, Two True Lies.

856
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.719
Then Western is from memory?

857
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.880
You just from memory? Yeah, stop it.

858
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.599
Well, he hasn't made that many films, and each one

859
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.960
of it's not hard whenever, like every single movie that

860
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.559
you do is kind of a home run in terms

861
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.280
of watchability. And after that Titanic heard of it a

862
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:39.559
movie is so good they put it out on two

863
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:46.480
VHS's then a movie that caused me eighteen weeks of

864
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.239
depression because I couldn't go live in the world of

865
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:54.159
Pandora Avatar sort of wet, sort of wet, but you

866
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.920
know what is wet movie? So wet water is at

867
00:51:57.920 --> 00:51:59.719
the title he.

868
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.840
Baby, if a way of water, bbet to see it?

869
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.159
Apparently I don't like wet things.

870
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:16.000
I agree enough enough, I agree U. When do you

871
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:17.559
think about that? What do you think that th Oni

872
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.239
and Web is saying about? Uh, id ego and super ego.

873
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:30.840
Once again, threes if if we're viewing it through that lens,

874
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:36.400
actually things start to feel a little less out of nowhere,

875
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.920
like if like I mean, Kirk is synthesis for Spocking

876
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.559
the cooys.

877
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.400
Uh, he has flaws for lack of another.

878
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:52.079
Word, he is super ego. H for sure, Yeah, he

879
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:56.159
is synthesis, but he is also like a binding factor

880
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.840
or is kind of like an overseer of and kind

881
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.760
of kind of gets to because there is that there

882
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:07.119
is explicitly within this episode there he's got his like

883
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.599
watch this tape in the case of my death and

884
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.880
it's literally you have to trust each other like you

885
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:18.079
are going like you uh Spock, I guess his ego

886
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.000
and yeah, and then yeah, McCoy is the id if.

887
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:26.119
By definition, it is sort of like the kind of

888
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.800
not I mean, unhinged is the first word that comes

889
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.199
to mind, but sort of like the like the not hedonistic,

890
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.559
but like the kind of maybe, yeah, maybe we should

891
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.920
look it up just to make sure I get it right.

892
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:44.039
But I am instinctive impulses, instinctive impulses, so yeah, that's

893
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.199
kind of where I'm coming at with that. And then

894
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:55.480
if the ego itself is it's like, sorry, yeah, what

895
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:56.119
were you gonna say?

896
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.960
I Am not just pulling it ego and super ego

897
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.559
out of my butt. This is a thing that has

898
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.239
been ascribed to Kirk, Spock and McCoy many times, and

899
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.519
by many times, at least one time by producer Harv

900
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.000
Bennett on Star Trek two The Wrath of Khan, a

901
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.280
dude who was able to synthesize seventy nine episodes, boiled

902
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:20.920
it down into a science fiction masterpiece, and he identified

903
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:22.559
what the heck show was about.

904
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.840
Kirk, Sorry, can I can? I also perfect?

905
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:27.719
I was wrong?

906
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.159
Sorry, it's The ego is consciously enacted and balances the

907
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:33.480
two different modes of the unconscious in order to function.

908
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.199
The super ego acts as the normative check on behavior.

909
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:41.639
The ID is the libidinal energy impurely hedonistic. So in

910
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:45.840
that way, the super ego in this case is Spock

911
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.559
and the ID is still McCoy. And then the ego

912
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:51.760
I just kind of confused those that would be the

913
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.800
sort of, yeah, the balancing factor of the two, that's

914
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:55.400
all Freid.

915
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.920
Not to give credence to any of Freud's a lot,

916
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.480
it's also just pulling on this trend just to talk

917
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.920
a little bit about what the heck this episode from

918
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:11.760
two ostensibly film school kids are comminent writing a Star

919
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.800
Trek episode, kind of identifying exactly what the show is about,

920
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.119
and then hitting on something that is even though Galileo

921
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:21.800
seven has done it, has never done this like this

922
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:23.679
by taking Kurt completely off the board.

923
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:25.239
Yeah, off the board?

924
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.800
Yeah, And so what does that say in terms of mainstructure?

925
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:31.880
How can the society function in those regards?

926
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.800
Yeah? I guess. The other one that we've used a

927
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:41.079
lot on this podcast specifically is the ethos pathos logos. Yes,

928
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:45.679
and so that same triumvirate of it, where the Spock

929
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.320
acting as the logos and McCoy acting as the pathos,

930
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.679
they don't have the other side of their triangle and

931
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:56.800
sort of fall apart without that sort of normalizing or

932
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.679
kind of central force or that kind of like propelling

933
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.599
force forward or in the Freud Ferdian since the one

934
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:09.000
that normalizes the cross them. I mean, within the structured

935
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.840
Star Trek itself. I'm want those characters. I feel like, yeah,

936
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.559
this one just and maybe that's why I don't feel

937
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.159
so affected by I don't feel so bothered by McCoy

938
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.239
being so much like I find it like, I'm like,

939
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:23.639
I think that this is an exercise in what it

940
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:25.239
looks like at the extremes.

941
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.960
Perhaps there is something to be said while the two

942
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.000
elements are coincidental, without your ethos, whenever you have pathos

943
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.320
and you have locos, but without your ethos, without your

944
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:41.760
central belief system, or rather the ability to synthesize both

945
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:49.000
of these raw elements. M madness. Yeah, that way lies madness,

946
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:53.400
an unchecked madness, and it literally stalls action, and instead

947
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.800
it is just raw. It is just raw intelligence, raw emotion.

948
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:01.079
That is, without any of those to put into action,

949
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.400
you are put into stasis. How novel that it would

950
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.559
be something known as enterprise that would be put in

951
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.320
stasis with an absence of ethos.

952
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:13.639
Cute.

953
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:19.039
Yeah, that's pretty clever. That's pretty clever, Kenny.

954
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:26.320
This is cute. Yeah. Yeah, I think, of course, I

955
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.000
like the idea of film school kids being.

956
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.679
Like you know what. Originally it was supposed to be

957
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:35.239
Spock that was lost. And then I believe folks that

958
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:40.119
are reading the script for but Fred Freiberger and Arthur Singer,

959
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:45.639
Arthur Singer being Fred Freiberger's rewriter, they were just like, nah, nah,

960
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.840
should be Kirk and the films is Judy and Chat.

961
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:53.199
Really yeah, absolutely it should be love that absolutely right

962
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.280
without without Spock, or you can take Spock off the board.

963
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:03.039
That's that's fine. Sad, yes, because Spot's got twenty years

964
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.360
and every time I see them makes me go crazy

965
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:06.239
out of control.

966
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.079
Oh, the Devil's got you.

967
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:16.840
But without Kirk, everyone Spot doesn't want command. McCoy has

968
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:18.239
no dampening agent.

969
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.239
No, he's a mess. He's yeah too big, Brief is

970
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:23.719
too much.

971
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.559
And then you've also got the aggressive yeah Tholions popping

972
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:30.760
in yeah.

973
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:33.039
Well, and not only the aggressive Thlions, but you also

974
00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:36.800
have the crew members one by one leaning into aggression,

975
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.400
which if we're really gonna dig into it, like, yes,

976
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.119
this is a threat and we have to find the

977
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.239
answer to the threat. And that's happening kind of all simultaneously.

978
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.000
But if we're really going for it could also be

979
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:55.440
like it this is another manifestation of this like loss,

980
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.039
this like this literal loss and being lost without that

981
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.440
sort of normalizing force. So you're like going towards the

982
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.320
extremes or whatever that might look like.

983
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.400
This discussion. Perhaps it is just because I'm very proud

984
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.360
of my ideas, but I find it so insightful as

985
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.920
how to view it through this lens that I really

986
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.320
want to watch the Tolian Web again.

987
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:19.159
Oh my gosh, do you like it now?

988
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.400
I think it might be the greatest of a star

989
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.039
trek Well, I would understand no notes.

990
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.400
Yeah, can I I don't want to get away from this,

991
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.159
but I dare you. I wanted to share another piece

992
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.760
that I've like texted you because I do think this

993
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.639
is really valuable because this is also one of the

994
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:50.239
episodes where a Hura gets to do more and I yes, great, Yes,

995
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.920
she gets to do more, She gets to have she

996
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.719
gets to be like the focus of having reactions to things.

997
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.559
She gets to be that she is to see this

998
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.320
like Kirk kind of phasing in and out after they

999
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.400
think he's dead. It's like always like I can see

1000
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.360
him like he's phasing in. She gets to be traded

1001
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:09.920
like she's.

1002
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.039
Crazy, wonderful, you'll love to see it.

1003
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.920
But and so she gets a lot to do. But

1004
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.599
and I kind of was sitting there, really I was

1005
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:21.719
thinking about it because you know, I was just like, dang,

1006
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:25.960
I really hate that we're kind of is like sort

1007
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.800
of always like gentle flower, like we're all we're treating

1008
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.559
her like she could break all the time. And then

1009
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.960
I had a secondary thought, which was, and this is

1010
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.360
a this is a kind of current commentary. I cannot

1011
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:43.400
speak to a nineteen sixty eight commentary or but I

1012
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:44.840
you know, I think if we look at like black

1013
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:46.880
exploitation films and stuff, we could probably start to pick

1014
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:49.000
up on it. And I think, actually, actually I'm saying this.

1015
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.519
I think the history of the way that we'll view

1016
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:55.039
black women is they are often either like hyper sexualized

1017
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.400
or they are kind of masculinized, and they're treated as

1018
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.039
like beasts. And you can actually, frankly, you can even

1019
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.280
see it, like I feel like in the Olympic commentary

1020
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.440
right now, it's like when white gymnasts do things, it's

1021
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.320
it's like beautiful and graceful, and if like black women

1022
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.119
do things, they're a beast and they're powerful and they're strong,

1023
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.199
right because black women like you could see it a

1024
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:18.599
lot of like the way Michelle Obama was treated by

1025
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.079
absolute racists like dipshits and stuff.

1026
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.960
And so black women are well, even well intentioned liberals

1027
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.599
being like, look at Michelle's arms, right, and which is

1028
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:29.320
a compliment.

1029
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:31.599
I mean it's but it's like.

1030
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:34.000
That's we don't that's the.

1031
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:38.599
Black Black Black women are not accorded softness. They are

1032
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:43.119
not extended softness. They don't get to be delicate and

1033
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:47.800
beautiful by the kind of I mean they are, obviously,

1034
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.840
but in terms of like the way that society is

1035
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.360
deciding what that role looks like, and so kind of

1036
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.079
with that framework in mind, I was just like, man,

1037
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:02.440
Hora is consistently taken care of. She is beautiful, she

1038
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.039
is soft, she has cared for, and like that is actually,

1039
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.519
in and of itself kind of breaking of that expectation

1040
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:13.199
that she even gets to be this way and still

1041
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:15.639
seen as a very capable member of the crew as well.

1042
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:18.559
Like she gets to be soft and also be very capable.

1043
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:21.239
So I think that's a really big deal. As I

1044
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:22.960
was thinking about it, I was just like, and you know,

1045
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:30.239
I'm going it's just very it's very interesting. Yep, lots

1046
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:31.119
of thought I had.

1047
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:34.480
I have nothing to add except that that is a

1048
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.400
fabulous thought. I really appreciate it.

1049
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.480
Yeah, I mean we love Michelle and we love a hurra.

1050
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:41.760
We do love Michelle?

1051
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.639
Yes, yeah, what else do we love? Can?

1052
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:51.039
I A long time ago? I started dating this week,

1053
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:55.920
I quoted a boat. I dated a game, but none

1054
01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:02.800
of them could work mine drive into hyper Space. The

1055
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.599
best of both worlds kept me in the second place.

1056
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.880
Captain slog on a hollow kron. I wanted a song.

1057
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.639
I penned a song. Seventeen more minutes. Spies in Super

1058
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:32.039
High dev aboard the USS Enterprise dt F. Don't you

1059
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.840
take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take

1060
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.880
my wretchird buddy and nip it? If you spill the tea,

1061
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:43.159
I'm gonna sip it, my starship it.

1062
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:46.039
Wait? Can I wait?

1063
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.840
Sorry? Sorry? While I was playing, you just you just

1064
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:51.039
kept Now you don't.

1065
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:52.519
Have to explain it if you if you want to

1066
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.599
know what happened, you gotta go to the YouTube channel.

1067
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.320
Okay, but I just have to I.

1068
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.880
Understand what you want to do in order to invite

1069
01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:02.599
out other people. But no, I'm gonna put my foot down.

1070
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.639
You want to see what. Yeah, you can't, but it's

1071
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:06.239
only one thing.

1072
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:12.159
Thank you for counting Romancing the Stone as a rom com.

1073
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.000
That's great. Asking what are we doing today, Ah.

1074
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:19.079
We're choosing our favorite We're star shipping. We're choosing our

1075
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.639
favorite ships. Apply to this guy and our favorite a

1076
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:27.440
romeiom Bic ships, Rouman jeeps.

1077
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:29.239
Absolutely, we are.

1078
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.519
We are. I have some there from the same episode

1079
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.440
though they're both from Star Wars, and maybe I should

1080
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.440
be more variable.

1081
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.719
Nope, but asphen you know what I'm going to say, Hm,

1082
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:43.159
go go with your.

1083
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:46.360
Heart, with your gut that heart, follow that heart. Can

1084
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:47.159
I go first?

1085
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:48.280
Yeah? Absolutely can't.

1086
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:49.320
I don't want you to. I don't want you to

1087
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.679
take us away from me because I have to serve

1088
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.280
of course, with the ship. Right, here's what I choose

1089
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:56.960
from Star Wars Clone Wars. I haven't looked up what

1090
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.760
they're called, but from Star Wars Clone Wars, there are

1091
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:03.440
these like oh there is a name. What they do

1092
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:08.960
is they drop these these like like bomber type like

1093
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:14.800
ships into the ship and then on like it's like

1094
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:16.199
they go in like like a.

1095
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:19.280
Like yah bos like a point. Yeah.

1096
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.960
Once they're inside, they open up so that the battle

1097
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:26.199
droids and ventrists can come out of them.

1098
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:28.119
Yeah, bos it was so.

1099
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:30.199
Gold.

1100
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.920
At least within the production of Star Wars the Clone Wars,

1101
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.960
they are known as juicers juicers.

1102
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:39.920
That makes so much.

1103
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.039
Sense because at this point in time they did not

1104
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:47.880
have budget allocated for many new models, and so we

1105
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:51.679
have seen this model before in the Plokoon episode where

1106
01:05:51.880 --> 01:06:01.000
those ships, those same ships de juicing. Yeah, oh it was.

1107
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:02.960
I don't think we've ever seen.

1108
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:04.800
It do that though, or we've never seen it do that.

1109
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.360
It's just the model of that.

1110
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.800
I know, it might be a different ship, right, okay, and.

1111
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:11.559
Then they've just copied over the model of it to

1112
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.320
reuse because it costs a lot to have to create

1113
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:14.920
new ships.

1114
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.920
All of this stuff costs money, all of it.

1115
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:21.320
Every single cool design we talk about costs money. Oh

1116
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.440
you know what. Another thing I realized, sorry, real quick

1117
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:28.480
while we're talking about ships, the Republic Cruiser that they're

1118
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.519
you know, there's just not a typical Republic cruiser. For

1119
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.679
some reason, it never like occurred to me that it has.

1120
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:36.519
You know, it's like the walkway and then the drop

1121
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.719
downs on the sides where that's where everybody's like doing

1122
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.599
their like thing and like flying the ship, that's the

1123
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:46.360
bridge area and that looks that is the same model

1124
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:48.880
as an imperial cruiser, and it just reminded me of

1125
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:50.800
I don't remember which episode it was, hopefully it's not

1126
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:53.360
an episode that doesn't come out yet, but it's like

1127
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:55.960
someone talking about this fact that it's like reminder that

1128
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.599
the Republic is what becomes the empire. Yeah, and so

1129
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:01.679
I was just like, oh, that's right. Of course it

1130
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.360
would have the same internal like like structure as a

1131
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.639
Republic cruiser because it will become like an imperial like

1132
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.039
star cruiser. Anyway, Sorry, that was just a thought I had,

1133
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:16.480
But I like the juicers great.

1134
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.239
Then just lets me pick exactly a ship that I wanted,

1135
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.239
which was that's only a.

1136
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.880
Chip, which is you're right, that's a pretty coal ship

1137
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.880
because they can make webs, it's all.

1138
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:31.760
And then not only that, the ship is like a

1139
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:36.280
diamond shape, not even it's every single point comes to

1140
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:41.559
three points on the ship. It's that beautiful sci fi

1141
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.679
designs that I love, which is clean, simple and uh,

1142
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:48.800
like a kid in school could draw it. I love

1143
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:52.079
those kinds of designs. I adore them. It's so cool.

1144
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:54.960
And also, you know, like you said, the web comes

1145
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:55.599
out of its butt.

1146
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:03.280
It does. Yeah, I will tell you. When I saw

1147
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:08.679
those two ships touch butts and then as they separated,

1148
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.039
a web was made, I was like, I'm all in.

1149
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.480
I'm all in. The ship's butt.

1150
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:19.239
Touched, and you want to see you want to see

1151
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:20.960
more butts touching In me.

1152
01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:24.359
I always wanted to see butts touching. I feel like

1153
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:31.199
it's just an unexplored space. You know, real butts, ship butts,

1154
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:37.800
ship butts, dog butts, but I don't know but butts everywhere. Yeah,

1155
01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:39.720
great choice, beautiful speaking.

1156
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:43.079
Of butts everywhere, Aspen, what the heck is your relationship

1157
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:43.520
for the week?

1158
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.039
I need you to understand something. Sure, when a sage

1159
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:50.840
ventrist is in an episode, I'm gonna ship her with

1160
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:54.239
anyone at all. Sure, So in this one, I'm being

1161
01:08:54.279 --> 01:09:02.560
a shipper with Luminara. I just think that she has

1162
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:08.319
terrifying chemistry with everyone. She's hot and everyone becomes hotter

1163
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.720
because of her. Her light, her hot bog witch light shines,

1164
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:18.000
everybody is cast in its eerie green glow. Perfect Illuminara.

1165
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.359
You can see that relationship if it were to ever

1166
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.039
be as always, we have an we have an enemy

1167
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:28.319
still lover situation. We've got the sort of you know,

1168
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:31.359
the the very logos esque that like the yeah, the

1169
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:34.119
superrego of the this is very practical to kind of

1170
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:36.239
move through this thing. And then we've got the absolute

1171
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:40.359
chaos of Venturess. And I think there's that whole beautiful

1172
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.079
fight scene with them that's just like dangerous and scary.

1173
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:49.079
So Ventures Illuminara, you do love to say it, I do.

1174
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.119
I need you to understand that in every episode of Venturess,

1175
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:53.600
I'm going to ship her with someone else.

1176
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:56.319
I think I'm going to pick our guys in.

1177
01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:00.000
Green and is that the clone?

1178
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:08.119
Yes, Green is. We're ostensibly on Luminara's Imperial cruiser, sorry,

1179
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:14.279
Republic cruiser, and Green is the commander of the platoon

1180
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.600
that is on there. It's got fun hair and our

1181
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:20.039
guyas is there talk with newt gun Ray and being like,

1182
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:26.279
gree you suck. I rule. What's great about me is

1183
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.760
that I rule. He's like, you know what else rules

1184
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:36.520
and orders? Yes, And so they've got a real contentious relationship,

1185
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.920
but you know, you know, and at the end of

1186
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:45.640
the day, our guias wants to be controlled.

1187
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.479
Our guys just wants a sugar daddy and to be controlled.

1188
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.520
He's too tired of having to make this duplicitous moves

1189
01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:59.000
and looking at for himself. What he wants is someone

1190
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:04.119
that not only isn't afraid to follow orders, maybe give

1191
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:07.479
some orders, you know what I'm saying. Who better to

1192
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:12.079
give orders than the commander of a clone platoon Republic cruiser.

1193
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.000
I love that, And so you know that Greece is

1194
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.760
probably going to put him in the same shackles that

1195
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:23.840
they put new gun in. Stop and suddenly those cloning

1196
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:28.800
tubs on Camino Or aren't looking so sparse and utilitarians

1197
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:32.760
so much as possibly a romantic get away.

1198
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.079
Okay, he sold me, He sold me too bad. He

1199
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:39.479
stabbed through the chest with the lightsaber again, you know.

1200
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.239
Don't worry about that's a technicality. As we've seen on Ahsoka,

1201
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:46.680
it's easy to get over a lightsaber. Yeah, through the chests,

1202
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:47.760
through the chest.

1203
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.079
Okay, cool, Okay, great choice, great choice.

1204
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:55.159
It is a great choice. But you know, knock it

1205
01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:58.119
off with all this diplomatic talk about great choice. Is

1206
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.159
a great choice. No, no, no, there's only one choice.

1207
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:03.159
Don't yell at me.

1208
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:04.520
I'm asthma.

1209
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:09.359
I don't stop it. I'm so sorry, Stop.

1210
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:14.479
Stop as we go back to the central conceit of

1211
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:16.880
the podcast, which is better Star Trek versus Star Wars

1212
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.520
as we talk the Thlian Web versus Cloak of Darkness

1213
01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:23.359
again Tolian Web from Star Trek the original series season

1214
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:26.560
three versus Cloak of Darkness Star Wars the Clone Wars

1215
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:30.720
season one. And because ASA went first on I starship it,

1216
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:33.960
then I will go for us with my ranking starting

1217
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:36.560
with Cloak of Darkness. I am going to give this

1218
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:37.920
one a robust seven.

1219
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:41.840
Yeah, what, God, what?

1220
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:42.840
It's great?

1221
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:45.399
It's more than that.

1222
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:49.000
That's great. I had a great time. What do you

1223
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:49.479
want from me?

1224
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:51.199
I don't know.

1225
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:53.920
It's good. And then also we just had a lot

1226
01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:56.439
of great conversation that spread from it. So a lot

1227
01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:58.840
of dynamite ideas that come from this episode, and I'm

1228
01:12:58.880 --> 01:12:59.960
excited to see them exploring.

1229
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:02.720
I'm gonna give it an eight mm.

1230
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:05.479
Interesting. Now do you know that that number is higher

1231
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:07.840
than the number that I gave it?

1232
01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:08.399
Say more?

1233
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:11.840
Wow? What is interesting is that because you showed up

1234
01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:14.560
and I asked him what is your ranking for it? Now?

1235
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:16.800
I had said a number that is previously lower than

1236
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:20.279
what you have in your mind. But instead of saying

1237
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.279
a number that was equal or lower than mine. You

1238
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:25.680
decided a whole firm and set a number that was

1239
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:26.439
higher than mine.

1240
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:31.760
Yeah, thank you for that. You're right, it was higher

1241
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.920
than yours. And I meant it, and you just you

1242
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:41.800
just look at me and meant.

1243
01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:43.079
Uh, this is. This is your highest ranking of any

1244
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:47.039
Clone Wars episode next to Rookies so far. Oh.

1245
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.880
I did love Rookies so much. I love this episode.

1246
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:51.640
It's great. I enjoyed it.

1247
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:55.560
God, it's good. Okay, yeah, solid eight, solid eight. I

1248
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.079
understand and respect your seven is. But we are fighting.

1249
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:01.960
We are fighting for pretense of having a structure to

1250
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.199
the podcast. And speaking of pretensive structure, this so only

1251
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:06.800
and web, I am going to keep this one a

1252
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:10.680
five point five what. I just find it a very

1253
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.840
sleepy episode. I'm so sorry, my.

1254
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:16.680
God, Oh my god, I can't believe I'm gonna do this.

1255
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.600
I can't believe. I can't believe I have to defend

1256
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.680
your the show that you champion. I'm so sorry, Canny,

1257
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:26.479
I can't believe this.

1258
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:27.520
I'm so sorry.

1259
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:30.720
When I give it a seven point seven, interesting, now

1260
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.680
that number is also higher than the one that I gave. Yeah,

1261
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:34.359
can you say more?

1262
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:41.239
Uh? No, no, no, I can't, which brings the Soian

1263
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.199
Web to six point six versus Cloak Up Darkness is

1264
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:49.600
seven point five, which means aspen Star wars On's the weak.

1265
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:56.159
Honestly, I'm a winner because I love the Belles episodes.

1266
01:14:57.800 --> 01:14:59.800
I think that we are all winners this week through

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01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:04.159
a in my discussion featuring your two most favorite track,

1268
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:06.479
wars hosts me an aescement.

1269
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.880
That's true, your favorites.

1270
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:13.520
Uh. But you know, sometimes we're not the only one

1271
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:18.159
that have correspondents. Sometimes we have Patreon members that shoots

1272
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:24.439
some messages from Arizona Mark in regards to our seemingly

1273
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:29.359
defunct segment Brother Watch Arizona Mark Suns. I have a

1274
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:36.039
confession to make. I'm Dave Filoni secret brother. Stop it no, sorry,

1275
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:37.479
it's a defunct segment.

1276
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:40.760
I don't We never said it was going to be defunct.

1277
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:41.800
Sounds defunct to me.

1278
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:44.159
I still think we should go for it, but I mean,

1279
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.039
maybe it's defunct truly, now that we know the troops.

1280
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:53.760
See it's pretty defunct. Okay. We also have from user Feliat.

1281
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.520
I don't know who that is in regards to for

1282
01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:58.680
the world is Hollow, and I have touched the sky

1283
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:03.159
versus bombat Jedi uh user Feeliat said I'll have for

1284
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:07.920
world Aloe and I touched this guy. It's much better

1285
01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:10.000
than what I kept saying. I appreciate that.

1286
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:11.319
It's very good.

1287
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:16.039
From the contact form on our website. What I know.

1288
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.319
We have contact form on the track Wars website track

1289
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:23.680
warspod dot com slash someone being nice contact uh It's

1290
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:27.640
up to you ass and from uh user Michael Samron.

1291
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.000
If Jimmy cracked corn but I don't care, why are

1292
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:38.760
we talking about it? Thanks for using the contact form, Michael.

1293
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:42.520
Yeah. A really good question though, because I think really

1294
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.960
probably like inherent to that is that we do care.

1295
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:49.399
We're just like it's more like we're saying like I

1296
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:52.439
don't air, but like you know, when you secretly do

1297
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:58.119
really care? Well yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah beautiful.

1298
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:00.000
You can use our contact form. I didn't even know.

1299
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:05.159
Oh yeah, absolutely it was a insult. Do we have

1300
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:07.600
any correspondents from Austin Aaron. I feel like we got

1301
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:09.359
an email recently from Austin Aaron.

1302
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:11.159
I think so.

1303
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:15.039
Austin Aaron, Austin Aaron.

1304
01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:25.960
All log into We'll see who finds it first.

1305
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:31.439
Hi, personhood Amongst the Stars. I think we've read that

1306
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:37.279
one before June eleventh. I don't know.

1307
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:39.000
Him.

1308
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:43.479
Sorry, I couldn't. I can't log in your Countess temporary unavailable,

1309
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:44.159
so I can't see it.

1310
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:49.399
All right, we'll cover it, and we're double covering it.

1311
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:55.359
Sorry to use this language. Stuff you Personhood amongst the Stars,

1312
01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:59.199
Hi Aspin and Kenny. Great discussion on racism and personhood

1313
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:01.039
and the Star Wars and Star Treks. How do you

1314
01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:03.159
feel about our heroes and where they each stand on

1315
01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:07.199
droid personhood and clone personhood? Is acceptance of droid hood

1316
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.560
and clone hood simply a way of tagging a character

1317
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:13.279
as good. I e. Han goes from clearly bigoted towards

1318
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:16.479
to begrudgingly accepting of c Threepo over the course of

1319
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.920
three movies, mirroring his rogue to hero journey. Though, to

1320
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:22.279
be fair and forced Awakens he didn't recognize c three

1321
01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:25.159
po because he had that right arm. Yeah, Obi Wan

1322
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:27.640
is in love with Cody, which shows why he's everyone's

1323
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.439
favorite uncle, et cetera, whistle Bee, click whorre Austin Aaron

1324
01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:34.279
ps R two D two is my favorite. I can

1325
01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:37.239
remember my young self watching Star Wars endlessly on ret

1326
01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:40.520
via VHS, getting calmer and happier anytime R two was

1327
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.560
on the screen. Of course, he's also a Mersus Killer

1328
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.359
and the true immortal puppet master of the Skywalker saga.

1329
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.239
Sorry Shrieve, it's true.

1330
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:50.319
Yeah, I don't think we've talked about this because I

1331
01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:52.159
would have remembered that. So sorry that we got to

1332
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:58.960
this so late. No, sorry, sorry. I have some initial

1333
01:18:59.039 --> 01:18:59.720
quick thoughts.

1334
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.479
I would I would love to hear them. That'd be

1335
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.159
weird if I was like, no, thank you.

1336
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:09.840
No, thank you. There's an interesting framed that way, which

1337
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:14.760
I do really like. I think clones, despite their you know,

1338
01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:18.960
they're like killing, militaristic and like battle power, right, what

1339
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:27.520
clones and droids framed that way, they feel like they

1340
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:29.960
they are and they are they kind of like marginalized

1341
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.119
groups and they're they are groups with less power. So

1342
01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:36.760
I do think it it there is a like as

1343
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.279
as you know Aaron wrote that, I was just like, yeah,

1344
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:43.720
it's true, Like to kind of show them kindness like

1345
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:47.640
feels like it is it's effectively doing the like save

1346
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:51.319
the cat, right, because it's like when it's the way

1347
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.399
that you treat people or droids or whoever, it might

1348
01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:58.000
be who with like less power than you, less social status, whatever,

1349
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.279
it might be less money, who knows like peopleople who

1350
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.239
don't have as much or like marginalized groups, like with

1351
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:09.000
a genuine compassion and kindness like humanizes you. And if

1352
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:10.920
you can grow to be that kind of person, it

1353
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.640
shows that humanity even more strongly. And that's kind of

1354
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:20.600
I think in that way. Yeah, but that's kind of

1355
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.079
based on the way that you frame that. That's my

1356
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:24.720
kind of first impression.

1357
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:27.199
I find it. I think I've said this thought on

1358
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:31.439
previous episodes. I find it extremely dicey whenever you're like,

1359
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.279
droids deserve personhood, not because I don't think that droids

1360
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:39.560
deserved personhood, but the way that the Droids are treated

1361
01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:44.520
to the original trilogy suddenly makes actions way more dicey

1362
01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:47.119
because I'm like, oh, no, these characters that I've loved

1363
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:48.000
for so long.

1364
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:52.520
Right, because like, the other side of it has to

1365
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:54.880
be true, is that when characters that we love are

1366
01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:58.039
cruel to them, like it's like now like oh wow, yeah,

1367
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.960
kick the dog situation, But it's so we have to

1368
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:02.560
presume both at the same time.

1369
01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:07.439
And then not only that that wasn't even in the

1370
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:10.199
mind's eye of where Star Wars was at that point.

1371
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:16.199
So whenever you recontextualize that, then it's unfortunate to an

1372
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.399
older text because they were like, what if we just

1373
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:21.399
gave a trash can legs? And that was the thinking

1374
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:24.079
because they were like, this looks cool it, So I

1375
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.800
guess I'm thinking about it. It on out of roy

1376
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:28.319
as opposed to Inner World.

1377
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.760
But Kenny, in the Return of the Jedi, they're literally

1378
01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:35.199
torturing droids, yeah, and showing them to have feeling, like

1379
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:38.000
literal sensory inputs to be able to like have their

1380
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:41.359
feet burned. So like, at least by that film and

1381
01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:45.720
the original trilogy, there's a certain like and that's kind

1382
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:49.399
of done for a laughs, but like is it like

1383
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:52.039
there's a real horror for three po right, like to

1384
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:53.800
see this thing and it's supposed to be this as

1385
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:57.640
a threat, So it's true. And also they're obviously just

1386
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.600
not thinking about it, right, They're just not thinking about it.

1387
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:01.760
There's no thought that we were putting it into it.

1388
01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:03.640
So I think we have to do that thing where

1389
01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:05.920
we sort of derive our own sort of value and

1390
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:08.560
meaning from it based on all the contacts that we

1391
01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:10.479
have now and then.

1392
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:15.000
What an outstanding email. Austin Aaron always has us really

1393
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:20.359
good emails. I really appreciate, thank you, thank you, but

1394
01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:24.439
he's not necessarily our favorite patron. All of our patrons

1395
01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:28.640
are our favorite patrons, including Timbo de Sosa, Emily Brice, Love,

1396
01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:33.399
Haii Rogers, Kevin Miller, Arizona, Mark, Austin Aaron, and lastly,

1397
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.399
but certainly not least, the Jolty partner who composed our

1398
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:40.079
I Starship theme song. Our main and ending theme song

1399
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:44.319
was composed by mister Toustin Alifesso, So please go patrons

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some of his wares by going down to the show

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01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:49.840
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1408
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:16.079
I'm sure you're right, I imagine.

1409
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.119
I'm pretty sure that I'm right, Kitty.

1410
01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:21.079
Not to interrupt your thing, but like this episode. By

1411
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:23.840
the time when this episode comes out this Friday, are

1412
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:27.039
we are we going to this Friday, We're going to

1413
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.439
be about to be doing forty eight hours of straight improv.

1414
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:32.399
Yeah, that's all.

1415
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:35.000
I just wanted to let people know the stupid thing

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01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:38.119
we're doing. Yeah, yeah, for charity.

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For charity, I believe that you can go over to

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to this episode, go to hideout theater dot com and

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shoot their Building Connections program a couple of bucks, because

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it's teaching folks that are.

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Kids, Yeah near a spicy kids, near diverging kids.

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You're divergent kids, spicy kids, of the art of improv.

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And at least within my personal life, I won't speak

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01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:09.039
about Aspen's experience, but I've gone from someone that is

1426
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:12.199
extremely scared about life to someone that is a lot

1427
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:16.319
more willing to put myself through difficult challenges because I

1428
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:22.800
see something spiritually worthwhile. On the other which sounds high poalutin,

1429
01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:26.880
and it certainly is, but life is extremely hard, and

1430
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.119
this is one thing that helps a lot of people

1431
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.439
make life a little bit less hard. So head on

1432
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:34.920
over to Hideouttheater dot com and throw their Building Connections

1433
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:38.680
program a couple bucks. Yeah, and also, you know, look

1434
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:40.840
up Kenny Madison and Venmo shoot me a couple bucks.

1435
01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:41.840
That's fine.

1436
01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:46.000
Yeah, if yeah you're not here, you can stream certain

1437
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:49.279
I guess, I don't know. They'll probably be streaming some anyway.

1438
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.119
We're it's a Sally thing for us too. But it's lovely.

1439
01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:52.960
We'll do it together.

1440
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:54.600
It's lovely. And I love you Aspen.

1441
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:56.840
I love you. I'll see you soon.

1442
01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:00.680
I'll see you soon. Maybe force be with you and

1443
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:14.680
live long and prosper. Oh my gosh, I didn't even

1444
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:18.880
talk about freaking Paul Deni on this episode because I

1445
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:23.600
did extra research outside of just the polony Zonie. Oh no,

1446
01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:28.279
Paul Deani regarding Henry Gilroy, Henry Gilroy, because I had

1447
01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:31.600
to do extra textual analysis outside of just the polony Zoni.

1448
01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:33.319
I had to go looking for a stop because Paul

1449
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:37.840
Deini famously wrote on he walks and dryds. So not

1450
01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:41.039
only are they getting a heavy hitter because he did

1451
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:45.119
Batman and you know all of that stuff. He's coming

1452
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:50.359
back into the Star Wars fold. Uh. Henry Gilroy threw

1453
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:53.399
the story to Paul Deinie's way, Paul Deini says, No,

1454
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.840
Henry offered the story with me specifically in mind, ask

1455
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:58.560
me you might want to grab onto something.

1456
01:25:59.199 --> 01:25:59.680
All right?

1457
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.960
He said, you right, good, sassy girls. Well you have

1458
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:06.039
ben Asga episode and I'd love to see you take

1459
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:12.760
a crack at her. What he writes, sassy girls, good.

1460
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:15.600
You right, sassy girls, it's not wrong, but also like

1461
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:19.079
I don't hate it. That's terrible that I don't hate it.

1462
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:20.680
That's funny enough.

1463
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:26.800
And Pontini also talking about now I feel I can

1464
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:31.319
finally say I worked on the real Star Wars. Yes,

1465
01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:34.199
I worked at the ranch for nearly four years on

1466
01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:37.079
Ewok's Androids. This is the most information that we've gotten

1467
01:26:37.079 --> 01:26:39.359
on the behind the scenes productions on Ewoks and Droids.

1468
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.680
Four years, four years, four years. But it wasn't the same.

1469
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:46.119
Those shows fell under the control of the very restrictive

1470
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.680
network broadcast standards at the time, and they could never

1471
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:53.399
be anything than basic Saturday morning cartoons. Some nice animation

1472
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.319
in some of them, but pretty much kids stop. Clone

1473
01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:59.239
Wars is the real thing, with a stunning artistic vision,

1474
01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:01.199
the characters for life in that state.

1475
01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:06.760
Wow, I wish we had that when we were talking

1476
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:08.359
about Ewoks and Droids.

1477
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.760
Also, and then we'll end the episode real quick, beef.

1478
01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:14.880
I got beef.

1479
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:16.239
Yeah.

1480
01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.079
A More Civilized Age, great podcast. They say that Paul

1481
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.760
Deini's great at condensing three acts. Structors TV is not

1482
01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:23.279
three acts.

1483
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:27.600
Okay, I believe you.

1484
01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:33.079
Do your research. More civilized age doesn't know anything.

1485
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:36.920
No, no, yeah, no it's not true. You know, you

1486
01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:38.720
know so much. You're so good. Okay, I love yours