Clone Wars Volume 1 vs. The Omega Glory

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the Internet's primary source for answering the one

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question, the most important question and
fandom, which is better Star Wars or

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Star Trek by going through both franchises
and chronological release order. I am Kenny

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Madison, the Star Trek contingent with
me as for always is the Star Wars

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person themselves. That's right, it's
me asking Webster, and I'm about to

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fucking weird today, not to give
anything away, but the answer is yes,

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yes, you are. That's right. Yeah, because I myself,

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my sense of self is very much
attached to this property. And this is

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it. This is it. This
is all that matters. This is it,

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This is all that matters. And
what matters today is us reviewing the

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Omega Glory from Star Trek Season two
versus Star Wars Clone Wars Volume one,

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otherwise also known as Star Wars Clone
Wars Seasons one and two. I'm so

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excited. We just spent forever on
Patreon being like things don't win, not

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really, we have a bit.
This is the whole thing, like what's

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winning? But I need to let
you know something. I was lying when

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we were talking about that I am
personally winning yeah. Look, our tongue

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is firmly in cheek most of the
time. Whenever we're like it's a binary.

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Art is objective. There can be
great art that exists in a vacuum

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that's usually like a bit not today
Today. Today is Today's work is objectively

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great, Kenny. I just needed
to win. You needed to win.

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There's just like a lot, just
like a lot going on. You've been

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having you've been having a time listen. I mean, it's just you know,

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we' would taking lots of naps taking
It's just really nice to get a

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little something like a little treat for
asmen, you know, just like a

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little treat, just like a little
treat, just a little treat, just

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like a little morsel. It is. And speaking of a little morsel,

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why don't I give for folks that
are playing the home game, which is

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people that can't pay the tickets to
come to the Life in Person Trek Words

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recording that we do. Let's do
a synopsis for each one of the properties,

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starting with the Omega Glory director Vincent
mcavitie, writer Cheat and Rodenbay from

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Judy Crosby in the March first,
nineteen sixty eight edition of her syndicated column

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tv'scount as featured in the Syracuse Herald
Journal serving Syracuse, New York, Judy

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Crosby says tonight's episode is loaded with
people, fancy settings, and a lot

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of good action in a plot that
pits two starship captains against each other.

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Kirk Company find a starship floundering around
in space and with all of its crew

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turned into a crystal by a mysterious
disease. The captain of the doomed ship

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is the only survivor, since he
had stayed behind on the planet where his

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crew had contracted the disease in order
to learn the secret of the planet's immunization

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process, something like Constant Leon's Moountain
of Youth. If you think that that

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sounds like a hat on a hat
an audience boy, howdye have you watched

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this episode? That's senate, that's
like word for a word. Uh sorry,

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That last hat on a hat bit
was an editor's note, the editor

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being you know me and that episode
what's aired March first, nineteen sixty eight.

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Speaking of March first, asked marches
into the synopsis for Star Wars Clone

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Wars Volume book. My god,
I'm going to do this this is it's

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hard to sort of separate them.
I'll just do a good summary I found

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about what Clone Wars, the Tartakovsky
what it's, what it's covering. With

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a touch, I'll give some of
my own editorial context for just volume one.

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Yeah, let's see. Well,
but first a few facts about the

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thing. Let us see it came
out November seventh, two thousand and three.

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That was the original air date.
Specifically, it's also known as Star

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Wars Las Veerra's klone yep it.
Of course, the director is Jendy Tartakovski.

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He is the creator. He's the
creator of Samurai Jack Dexter's Laboratory very

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much. He's the animator, right, so, like all of the imagery

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is very much if you're familiar with
those, and then with since it's a

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lot of kind of many episodes,
we do have a lot of different kind

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of writers. But he is also
the main story writer as well, so

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I'm just gonna name him. Here
is our sumary. Immediately after the events

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of Star Wars Episode two, Attack
of the Clones two thousand and two,

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the Clone Wars continue. The Separatists
launch masses of battle droids while the Republic

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has an entire arsenal of Clone troopers
to blow them away. Obi Wan Kenobi

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and his apprentice Anakin Skywalker are also
participating in the fights against Count Dooku and

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his defiant separatists. Jedi Master Yoda
and mace Windu take part in the battle

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as well, while Donald Corzont pat
Ma Amidala Chancelor Palpatine C three p r

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T D two hope nothing but good
for our heroes. Will the Republic emerged

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triumphant, will Dooku and his separatists
be brought to their knees? And will

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Anakin truly bring balance to the force
or will he bring absolute tyranny? Who

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knows I or don't no clue what's
gonna happen? So in this one,

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since it's just the first set of
them kind of all put together in this

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volume, we are the very so
one of the primary villains of this is

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a sage ventest, so pumped,
so pumped. We get to follow Luminara

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and Barrass as they are trapped in
a fallen Jedi temple. We see Mace

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Windu fuck some battle droids up,
We see Anakin an Obi Wan bickering who.

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We see Padme get to be a
badass master. I am ready.

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It's like have you seen me that
thing that was like the voice actor for

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like that Pinocchio movie. It was
just like, but father, I want

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to be a real boy. That
is exactly what he sounded like. Ah

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oh fuck. And it ends on
the introduction of grievs so good, so

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good, and of course a bunch
of Clone action as well as this is

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a critical context, a question that
I usually only a reserved for the Star

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Trek portion. But Anceman, had
you seen this before, Kenny, I

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had not been amped to get to
this for me, a foundational piece of

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Star Wars coming out between episodes two
and three and m Yeah, it's it's

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it's foundational. As I was telling
Aspen before the preach, before we even

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recorded our Patreon which you can find
a patreon dot com slash stretch Wars pots,

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you were telling me, yes,
I popped out my actual Star Wars

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Clone Wars DVD that I've had on
my shelf since two thousand and four,

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probably old. Yeah, so it's
it's been with me for a while.

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I can't believe I've never seen this. I don't know, you know,

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especially considering this is the pardon me
if I'm using this correctly. The or

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text for your favorite Star Wars the
Clone Wars. Yeah, I mean absolutely

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cool, true so that they rhy
and I wonder if it's because I did

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watch it. I was like,
nah, a part of me too,

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this is so dumb. I'm such
a petty bitch. And our favorites blank

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check. Back when it was a
Star Wars podcast, they covered these clone

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Wars but never covered or talked about
any of the other Clone Wars, and

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I think I got mad at them
for it, and I just decided not

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to watch it. I don't know
why I might have watched it sooner,

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except that I was like, oh, now I need to wait for our

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podcast. It was. I spent
the entire time like this is great.

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That is great. No, so
you were aware that these were aired over

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the course of November two thousand and
three and more two thousand and four.

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Yeah. Yeah. It came out
in a little mini bits. Yeah,

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in three minute chunks, and you
can feel it. Yeah. I mean

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it is interesting to watch them altogether
because I guess, yes, you can

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feel it. But I've never seen
it in its original form, but I

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have seen I've seen that there are
those stories that happen in this they happen

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and clone Wars clone Wars. At
the time, I wanted to watch them

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the way that they were originally set. But they're airing during commercial breaks during

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shows, and I this was back
in the day where I had dial up

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internet, and to try and sure
sure find how to watch these things,

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it would have I just I just
couldn't. So what was I doing?

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I was fourteen. I don't think
I could know it would have taken me

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so long to watch these un dial
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just waited until the DVDs came out
and watched them that way because I couldn't

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watch them any other way. And
then whenever I watched them, I was

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like, this is this is great, this is amazing, That's very cool.

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I think you I'm thinking of myself
at fourteen fifteen. I think I

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was mired in a Lord of the
Ring subsession that sense, and I had

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no time or space. I was
like, sorry, all I can ever

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do is just watch all of my
extended edition extras every single day and also

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figure out what kissing is. So
how do you found out? It's been

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a while. It took a while. Rather, it's been a while.

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It took a while. It's been
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out. Excellent, Yeah, sagating. Yes, so you like Clone Wars

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Voluble it's good. I fucking loved
it because also, yeah, the style

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of it is like yes, yes, yes, yes, And also I

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do know those characters really well.
You know. I think if there's any

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criticism about this that people have,
probably it's like, oh, well,

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there's not a lot of character death. You just go in it. And

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I'm like, yeah, because that's
not the fucking point of it. Like,

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it's action. Action things happen you
Obviously, when you get to it,

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you're gonna see a full lass venturous
arc. She is one of my

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favorite Star Wars characters. I fucking
love Venturess. But am I going to

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say no to a weird, scary, white eyed dath of mere witch bitch

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coming in fucking shit up? Absolutely, I'm gonna lose my mind. She's

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gonna fall down a crevas. Great, don't care. She's back, baby.

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Did all of this stuff happen within
the context of the Clone Wars the

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Folony thing? Oh no, I
mean her her story is much much,

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much longer, like much longer,
and no she does not die sure because

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this is I guess technically considered Star
Wars legends, so no longer canon.

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But also without this, you do
not have the three D Clone Wars.

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Also, you do not have the
way that the characters look in that show.

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Ah it's this, oh, because
Lucas was like, yes, just

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do this, but in three D. Oh my god. Yeah. Obviously

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the character designs are very much Yeah, it's based off of the grievous designs

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the dude like everybody, like Palpatine's
little spindily fingershit like orgasming over here.

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I And also the two Clone Wars
and the Clone Wars are so radically different

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in terms of tone. Yeah,
well that's an interesting face. No,

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I think just in pacing, I
don't think in tone. I mean many

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of the things I think colon Ores
feels very I think it's it's I think

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it is a matter of medium and
time m hm as and as opposed to

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like maybe tone, there are certain
things that are carried perfectly over that whole

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nonclomar thing with kid Fisto. That's
an entire episode in the Clone Wars.

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Is it really yep? Rules it's
great yeah, and there's a lot of

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I'm like trying to think back through
it. There's the whole thing with Luminara

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embarrass it's its own thing on Geonosis, and it is great, It is

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fantastic. It is one It's like
and I think I told you this when

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we were I was like texting you
this when we were watching Attack of the

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Clones that there are there's there is
an arc on Geonosis. That's one of

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the moments. There's like many moments
where you can see a chipping at Anakin's

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like trust in this entire system,
and it's one of those, and it's

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the way Luminara. It's a I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna spoil a thing

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real quick. But it has to
do with Ahsoka Embarrassed actually being underneath something

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collapsed and both Anakin and Luminar are
being like they might be dead, and

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Anakin being like, what the full
we have to save them, like because

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he loves Ahsoka, and Luminar a
being like sometimes you just gotta let him

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go, and he's like, what
the book are you talking about? Yeah,

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because it's a deep, massive misunderstanding
of that kind of philosophy. So

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you can see these little moments.
And it's also like, I'm not gonna

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boil the rest of it. There's
others, some other shit too that happens

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because of it. That's just like, oh so it kind of takes the

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concept of it but kind of expands
it out in more like and it's just

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a way that gets to have more
time to breathe. But the way it's

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done in this Oh my god,
this rules you know. Oh I love

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it? Speaking of deep misunderstanding about
philosophies. Has have you seen the Omega

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Glory before? I've never seen this
piece of shit before in my life.

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Have you? Oh? Yeah,
of course? Have you? Wait?

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Sorry, sorry, you've seen Okay, obviously we've discussed that you had seen

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Golen Wars. Yeah, and you've
got it on DVD. But sorry,

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before we go over, did you
how did you watch it? Did you

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watch it in the three minute chunks? I remember watching like one or two

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episode. No, the DVD is
presented, I'm pretty sure exactly the same

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way that is presented on Disney Plus
now, which is all in one hour

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chunks. You can go find I
think you have to really dig. You

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can go find the original three minute
versions somewhere and also like originally on the

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spreadsheet, I was like, we
should do it that way, but then

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I just got rid of that.
Thank you so much. I thought that

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would have been a rat exercise.
But look, I could be agreeable,

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all right, I'm nice. I
would have argued. I would have argued

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you down, Yes, just like
you argued me down from covering the lego

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stuff, which I think is very
important to the narrative, to the mega

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text. Oh my god, it
I hate it. Thank you, thank

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you for your service. Sorry.
So yeah, I watched this on my

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DVD and one big hugin hour long
chunk and it's you know, it's great.

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It's great. Yeah, and the
Omega glory great, not great.

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It took me fifteen minutes. Yeah, yeah, it took me fifteen minutes.

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Whenever they mentioned the Yangs, where
then I went, oh, it's

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this episode. Nice, nice the
Yangs. Yeah, the Yangs and the

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Cones. It is a episode that
starts fine. I truly do love finding

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abandoned chips. I always want it
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of my favorite movies UH plots and
TV plots ghost Ship with Juliana Margall's famously

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UH you know, supports this Raeli
action against the Palestinians. Yep, a

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glorious time for all. Fuck you
fuck you fuck that. We don't like

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that. Yeah, well other than
ghost Ship and Juliana margat fucker face now,

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things like that that episode of uh
Firefly, that's just like that scary

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like Bereaver introduction episode, where like
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Sunshine, Yeah, I think so, but like, you know, any

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kind of abandoned space place, maybe
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you know, it's just like that
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at first I was like, is
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It was No, it was just
stupid. It's pretty, it's pretty bone

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headed. So of course it was
written by Gene Roddenberry himself. It was

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one of the original ones that was
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pilot, and I'm thrilled that it
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know we're still in first impressions,
but can you explain to me? The

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Internet wouldn't explain to me. So
the story was just an original possible pilot,

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but they obviously didn't film it early. They filmed it later. No,

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if they did film it early.
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Chekhov isn't there. Also despite it being

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which I don't know, Sho lose
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gone and he gets to actually be
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so that doesn't it. But anyway, what I was like kind of

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couldn't figure out is like the directing
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and different, and I was like, is this And there was like a

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person who clearly seemed like a yeoman
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like, is this Just like was
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later? Doesn't sound like it.
Let's go into the deep dive already.

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Sorry, I mean why not?
Because what are the rules? We make?

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The rules? Yeah, it's all
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things are filmed out of sequence.
This wasn't filmed in season one though,

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okay, this was filmed you I
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directing Star Trek, which I'm pretty
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Trek machine because I'm this way,
I got a check I'll but here we

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go. He had he did,
No, he did other episodes before this

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he did. I'm pretty sure he
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did the knife, the knife.
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an episode. Oh no, this
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did bounce at all, Bounce a
terror, Dagger of the mine mirror.

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Yes, Morgan, Morgan Woodward.
I believe who has Morgan Woodward only

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playing people who are out of their
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he's got that face. What an
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forty four at the time that he's
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the look uh it looks different just
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so maybe folks were literally just tired. Interesting. I mean there's even like

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wild shots. I haven't looked up
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also optical zooms and stuff in that. The cinematographer is also done like every

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episode like it wasn't It's like no
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all were, like, you know, you want to just fuck around and

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then they do yeah, and it
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what it is. They also got
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didn't think about that because my low
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From these of the Voyages season two, the original editor at I Believe the

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Company Christmas Party was jabbing away to
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is a stinker. Shatner told rotten
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goodbye. Oh, and so they
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the show for the rest of the
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are I colocked this as well a
surprising amount of optical zooms which are done

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after the fact. Okay, okay, yeah, now that you're said it,

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I'm like, yeah, I mean
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I freaking love the way the abandoned
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then whenever Captain Tracy is being crazy, the just really really smart decision to

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not light the face that is facing
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it and just makes him look even
more sinister. Yeah. Yeah, And

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for what it's worth, I really
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surprised you liked this episode. You're
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poorly muddled metaphors that are stupid.
Put me on record. I fucking love

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it. I don't know, man, No, I just didn't hate the

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lighting. I thought it was interesting
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sense. Justice for that first editor
who was right, yes, And justice

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for that man. He wasn't the
only one that thought that thisisode was a

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stinker. Stink, stink, stink, stink. Let's go did you let's

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go to? Oh? I mean
yeah, I thought that this was a

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stinker. As I said in the
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on a hat, and a hat
on a hat on a hat on a

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hat on a hat on a hat. This episode has so many things going

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on. Uh, it's so dense. Every single image has so much cool.

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Are we doing are we diving?
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H We're diving into your notes.
You hear them if you want to

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hear my notes. In my notes, I wrote what's happening? What the

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fuck is happening? And I wrote
that this is a mess podcast Psychic powers

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anyway. Okay, So one of
the things that in reading These are the

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Voyages Tos season two by Mark Cushman. One of the things that is so

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evident is that so many memos were
sent for the TV show Star Trek.

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There are so many memos, and
not only that, every single summary of

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every memo is something like Bob Justman, supervising producer, sent six page singles

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based memo. Or what Herb Richardson, I forget what his name. Stan

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Richardson sends like a thirteen page memo
to Gene Roddenberry. Everyone sent so many

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memos. That's critical because here in
the book as the fruits of rotten Berry's

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labors in regards to the script for
the finished script for the Omega Glory,

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which he had been working on,
as you said, since the beginning of

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Star Trek of Time, it's been
his pet project. It's been rejected many

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times. Why because it's bad?
Why is it his pet project? Oh?

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I can guess. I can actually
guess. I go on, yes,

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you answer, I want you to
answer it. I want you to

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answer that question out loud. I
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Barry lips of this, I think
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what nationalism run amuck looks like the
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and I think he's trying the old
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why people can be bad too,
but then swerves right around so far that

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it comes right back into racism,
but he doesn't know that. I think

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it's I think it's the Yang's versus
the cones an idea that feels so cute

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in the worst way possible, And
I feel like it's so cute that roden

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Berry was like, and I have
in the literature nothing to support this,

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but I'm pretty sure he was,
like, what a brilliant twist they were

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us the whole time sorta Anyways,
the notes in regards to the Big Hawk

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and memos, but they're like not
anyway, yeah, of course. Right

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as the fruits of Roddenberry's laborers again
in regards to Omega Glory, were distributed

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to John Meredith, Lucas, Bob
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was uncharacteristically silent. The barrage of
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a new screenplay at the Star Trek
offices, did not come. The writer

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of this latest script, after all
was the Boss. It's also important context

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to note that they did get a
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so they needed scripts. This script
was sitting there. It's sitting there

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even though no one liked it,
but they just needed scripts. Sure,

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Roddenberry's the Boss. Roddenberry was very
proud of this script for The Omega Glory.

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He also believed director, editor,
and cast had excelled at their jobs

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and the episode was something special.
On February twentieth, nineteen sixty eight,

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he wrote Jack Reynolds at Paramount,
suggesting The Omega Glory get a full page

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add in the trades a few days
before its March first broadcast premiere. You

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wanted Paramount to push the episode for
Emmy your consideration, Reynolds said, No,

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what delusion had struck Sergeene? What
what do you? What? Is

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it just like obsession with cleverness,
Like he's just like I am so clever,

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and because he's the Boss, no
one's pushing back on him. Allah,

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George, I mean this goes kind
of part and parcel with what private

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loge war what what afterward? I
Yeah, I feel like this is universally

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despised as an episode. It's pretty
funny. I kind of yeah. Yeah,

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people know when they're being like manipulated, you know most people. Yeah,

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people like you watch the thing and
you're like, if something is truly

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interesting and cleverly done, you know, right, it does truly some for

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your expectations. If something is just
thrown out there haphazardly makes no sense conceptually

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and feels like it's actually defeating its
own purpose and every single thing it's saying,

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what are we doing? But this
is the thing, the episode,

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it wasn't a haphazardly constructed episode.
If anything, it was far too precious.

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Well I don't mean haphazardly constructed.
I mean conceptually, oh my gosh,

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haphazardly it's like broken anted from the
beginning. And not only that,

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asmen, I'll have you know that
beginning that you love so much. Uh

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huh, what's from an unexpected source? Just like guess I'll just let you

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where the opening came from, as
in like the writer, Yeah, the

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writer, my girl, No,
no, weirder, weirder. George Lucas.

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That's it. It was George Lucas. And that's why I think it's

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important that we do this podcast.
This is the moment we've this is what

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we've been getting to. Is this
even even weirder? Even weirder? Like,

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should I know what I know?
Remember I can't remember you know this

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person for sure? Personally yeah,
personally other gene, No, this was

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written me, but you're so close. The opening of this episode was from

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a William Shatner script for Star Trek. I was I almost guess Shanner first?

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Fun really yes, okay Shanner.
That's not bad, yes, like,

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yeah, that's pretty cool. Also, I gotta tell you the concept

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of like this terrifying disease that just
like takes everything out of your body and

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you're reduced to crystals. Disgusting,
horrifying. Love it. Yeah, it's

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great except last week. Oh yeah, it's just happened with Rock. We

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had we just had this happen.
And this theme means nothing to this episode,

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right, Like it was disconnected entirely. There's almost a fountain of Youth

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thing, but it really means nothing. I guess you could kind of hang

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a hat on that, being like
it's kind of like Vietnam, but also

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also if it's kind of like Vietnam, they just did that with a private

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little war. Also by Roddenberry hated
it. Yeah, hated a proxy war.

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Yeah, I mean, what's your
fountain of youth piece? There?

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I guess I get the motivation I
get, but I guess if you had

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tied it it all of like truly
leaning into this man losing it because he

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watched everybody die and this absolute desperation
to live forever. But it was,

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yes, but it wasn't that.
Here, it wasn't that. It's okay,

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here's what okay, here's here's what's
going on in this episode. A

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right, we got we got a
proxy war, which is done again,

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which has just been done with a
private little war. Uh, what kind

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of the apple return to the Arkans? Uh, things where there's a war

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about something else. Those are kind
of wars against computer Kenny Kenny this time.

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Then savages are white people. Uh, okay, we've got a crazy

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captain who is leading a fascistic society. Great, we just did that with

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Patterns of Force, which is a
banger of an apprue. Okay, but

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also it's a parallel earth, which
we've gone to many parallel earths already.

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This has been done. We just
did it in patterns of Force. Yeah,

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we just did in patterns of force. The only kind of new thing

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here is that, uh if the
if ancestors had lost and adopted the ways

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of the American Indians. Great,
wonder what okay, what what what of

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the buffalo? Remember that? Yeah? It was great? Remember that when

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I was mad about that? You
remember when I was mad about that?

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Okay? Yeah, because this is
what I mean by the way of like

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going so far around that you come
back to to racism. This is one

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of the ways, uh, because
these white folks are here being uh being

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the savages brute like force, even
though they themselves are like clearly have like

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they speak English, they have a
whole system like which. Yeah, there's

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another episode that didn't get made called
Portraits in Black and White that I found

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out exists, which is again just
exactly what you're saying, Aspen, where

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we visit another parallel earth where it's
slavery times, but white people are the

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slaves this time. Oh wow,
we should have watched that. That should

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have been made. Think about the
statements it would make. Let's just yet,

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use your noggin. What if have
you ever considered what if? What

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if? Yeah, well, so
these white folks are like very explicitly specifically

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compared to indigenous people and like and
characterized as savages, like even to the

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dress. The way they behave their
behavior is like that's what I said,

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and the way they behave and their
behaviors, and they don't forget their behaving,

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their bay haves, it beoves.
I'm fine having a stroke, yeah.

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But and then they have some it's
like basically they're my favorite thing.

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They are then infantilized. Both groups
are fantialized, like because uh, the

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folks who are clearly supposed to be
Asian, like East Asian, the Cones,

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the Cones calmmunists, they are uh, which is bock blessed back?

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Who does He's got some good stuff
here. There's some good kirks Box stuff

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in here. But Cones being spock
discovering Cones. Ah, yes, of

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course. Communists what no, nothing, nothing of it. Nothing, Yang's

403
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.599
the Yankees. Oh God, so
god, it's such a freedom. It's

404
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.280
one of the sacred words. Well, and so then they have as these

405
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.800
texts, the Constitution, the fucking
Bible, like they have these things,

406
00:34:55.000 --> 00:35:01.800
the Bible, which in this world
is seemingly less important than the Declaration of

407
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.559
Independence and the Constitution. That's fine, Yeah, that's fine. Okay,

408
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:15.280
that's that's that's fine. But you're
bringing up this is along with the racism.

409
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.920
This story is so poorly structured and
written. This doesn't make any sense.

410
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:27.440
The world building, Oh a parallel
Earth that revers the Constitution more than

411
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:35.960
the Bible. That's an episode a
captain gone rogue and is co opting natives

412
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.920
into a proxy war. Right,
Not only is that its own episode,

413
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:45.960
its own and it's been an episode
having a disease that reduces people to their

414
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.880
base mineral elements and you can't do
anything about that. Yeah, that's its

415
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.280
own episode. That could be its
own be action or whenever you need to

416
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.079
save money and have things being on
the ship, that's fine. This episode

417
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:05.199
is doing way too much, and
it's because no one pushed back. Yeah,

418
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.760
because the Boss's episode. Even though
the Boss has been basically been out

419
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:15.519
writing on other projects this season,
it comes in as like here, here

420
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.440
we go, We're doing it.
I think this is the best episode of

421
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.320
Star Trek next to a probably little
war. I feel like I'm forgetting something

422
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:29.320
else that Roddenberry was really gung ho
about going back to sex. Well,

423
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:35.440
yeah, sexual assault, he loves
that. Ye yeah, allegedly allegedly trying

424
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.559
not to get sued. Geez,
gonna find us, It's gonna find us.

425
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.440
Dang, dang, dang. Listen, it's funny. I mean we're

426
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.639
not we're not talking like about specifically
like Phantom Menace or a tactical Clons rove

427
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.960
into the sith here, but we
are still comparing it to sort of.

428
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:57.719
I mean, we're still in the
realm of the George Lucas getting to have

429
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:06.119
say over things. But it's it's
so interesting because we have an example of

430
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.559
a creator being way too precious.
Yeah, and I guess this is an

431
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.519
example he's not too precious. Sounds
like about this. You're the one who

432
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.599
did the research. I'm not a
researcher. I'm a I'm a cool guy.

433
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:22.119
Uh, I'm here for the Vimes
versus Yeah, versus Clone Wars Volume

434
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.599
one, these micro series. Yeah, where according to the literature that I

435
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.960
can find, because there's no I'm
sure that there is more comprehensive literature out

436
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.239
there, but there exists very I
mean, there's behind the scenes stuff.

437
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.760
But according to Candy Tartakowsky, George
was just like put your own stamp on

438
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.679
it. That's wild. It is
interesting to have like a oh, we

439
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.639
can't yeah, we can't question the
boss and these other these other properties,

440
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.599
these other prequels. Yeah, we
can't really question the boss. But now

441
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:04.079
I think think about it though,
Aspen, use your nuggins because Aspen Aspen,

442
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:12.679
get us together, Webster, what
the fuck think about that? This

443
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.880
is George Lucas two sequel two prequels
in yep thinking, I'm thinking, I'm

444
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.880
pretending I'm him getting into his like
vibe uh. In the Puppets Depixels documentary,

445
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:29.719
yes, you can see George being
like in talking about the Yoda puppet,

446
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.880
starting to understand the audience a little
bit more than I think he was

447
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.880
cognizant of, which is, yes, they need the Yoda puppet to look

448
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:43.039
or they need the Yoda model to
look like the puppet, because they made

449
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:49.039
a better puppet for episode one,
but people complained because it didn't look like

450
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.920
the puppet, and so it has
to look like the puppet. Episode two

451
00:38:54.199 --> 00:39:00.960
is reactionary, and then also it's
it's written just a lot quicker than episode

452
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.360
one. And you can tell either
way this is George Lucas, even though

453
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:14.880
this is still George Lucas Great Man
narrative advising m. Perhaps this is George

454
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:25.800
being like, I am going to
give this to someone else because I don't

455
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:32.119
really have the choose. First off, this was originally supposed to exist as

456
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:38.239
minute long commercials for close because make
no mistake, at the end of the

457
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:45.400
day, all of this is in
service or money to someone, so these

458
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:50.360
so these were ultimately going to exist
as commercials. Gandey Tartakovski was like,

459
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.519
let's make it three minutes, and
so these first two seasons seasons one and

460
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:58.800
two, which make up Volume one
as on Disney plus or three minutes flung

461
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.719
h and then not only that,
George Luke could have gone to anyone,

462
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:07.199
he went to Gandy Tartakovski. Ganny
Tartakowski, what are you familiar with Gandy

463
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:13.400
from we're talking about Samurai Jack,
Yes, and Dexter's Lab. I think

464
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.679
those are the big ones. I
know, supervising person on Powerpuff Girls.

465
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.840
He's a foundation. Oh sorry,
fucking love power Uff Girls. I need

466
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.679
to go back to Powerpuff Girls.
I was a huge Powerpuff Girls fan,

467
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:32.280
loved that show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. According to my buddy weis,

468
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:38.119
who is my Gandy go to guy? Gandy go to guy Wiste Cutler,

469
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:43.760
fabulous improviser, even better video editor. And I say that being a

470
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.199
huge wite fan of as an improviser. Samurai Jack ended up getting eight Emmys

471
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:54.079
after Clone Wars. Uh, Georgie
could have gone to anyone, he could

472
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:59.039
have gone to a yes man,
and instead he went to Gandy Tartakovski.

473
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:07.159
I'm assuming watched Samurai Jack once,
like I want that, yeah, and

474
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:13.480
then went here, have Star Wars
put your own print on it. And

475
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:22.119
undeniably this feels like a Gandy Tartakowski
project throughout the entire thing that HAPs to

476
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:29.679
exist within Star Wars. This feels
I mean, we watched droids, we've

477
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:37.760
watched he walks. They had their
own feelings, but everything has had Lucas's

478
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:44.119
fingers in it in some way,
you know. So it's interesting you say

479
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.199
that and then thinking back to what
you're saying at the top around tone and

480
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.599
tone differences. For some reason,
by the way, it just like didn't

481
00:41:52.639 --> 00:42:01.320
even occur to me how much longer
afterward the Clone Wars was from this like

482
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.880
this two thousand and three and that's
like two thousand and eight. Yeah,

483
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:10.760
Like that's a wild differences, a
huge jump. And I wonder if I

484
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.599
wonder, because yeah, it's definitely
total differences. But again, I think

485
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.800
it's more style. I just I
felt it felt. I wonder if he

486
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.119
himself was inspired by it, like
his action, and that's that's exciting.

487
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:34.400
I mean, we'll get to this
more next week because Lucas wanted to do

488
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.199
more, obviously, and he did
more with a different director, Dave Filoni,

489
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:44.880
who is where's a hat? He
wears? Didn't wear a hat at

490
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.599
the time. Oh when did he
adopt the hut? I don't know.

491
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.079
You got to watch the Star Wars, the Clone Wars Blue Rag, which

492
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:59.239
got on my shelf aspen. But
he's doing he's doing story meeting sans Fedora.

493
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.800
I hate it. I don't trust
it. Look, I'm as uncomfortable

494
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.719
with it as you are. All
this time I thought he was hiding some

495
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.119
shit under there, and it was
like impossible for him to take the hat

496
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.719
off. He took the hat on, but at some point he put the

497
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:17.960
hat on underneath his hat is like
a little like a little mouse. It's

498
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:24.360
just like, hey, you should
have pad me go to cars hunt.

499
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.639
A mouse wrote Clone Wars, so, uh you heard it here? A

500
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:37.480
mouse wrote Cone Wars the Clone Wars
all seven seasons a mouse of two eat

501
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:45.880
it yeah, rebels showrunner duties were
split, but the Clone Wars all rather

502
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.119
two colony. Uh read it to
a looney. I read it to loney.

503
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.000
Anyways, we're talking about the Omaica
Glory and that being a pet project

504
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:04.440
ge Rodberry unsurprisingly mm hmmmm. According
to Gandy Tartakovsky, and this is from

505
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.280
my buddy Wae, I'm pretty sure
he pulled this from Wikipedia or some other

506
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.840
source, but I trust him.
The series was developed in two weeks,

507
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.679
created by a small group, and
quote unquote, it was stressful because I

508
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.079
had to translate this world I've loved
since I was a kid into something completely

509
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:30.920
different. And you can feel it. Mm hmm. It's not exactly narratively

510
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.519
complex, because it can't be narratively
complex, but this is basically a whole

511
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.840
bunch of sophisticated style exercises. Yep. And you can feel this thing being

512
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.519
just like concentrated Star Wars, and
not only concentrated Star Wars. But I

513
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:51.679
think this is important for the narrative
aspen I'm listening concentrated perceptions of what Star

514
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:57.760
Wars is. Yeah, yes,
because this is not George being like,

515
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.239
can we exercise some stuff that I
didn't get two in the prequels? This

516
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.840
is this is Gendy being like,
this is what Star Wars feels like to

517
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:15.280
me. Yeah. It definitely has
a like what is is very It feels

518
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:23.000
very representative, like expressionistic. Uh
yeah, around a feeling Douku is like

519
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:29.559
a dagger pointing downwards. Oh,
which is extraordinary. Yeah. Yeah.

520
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:35.360
Palpatine again with his little clickity fingers. Yeah, I loved them, Like

521
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.400
there was something just in that very
small sound effect and the look of it,

522
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:43.000
the way just like his fingers moved
together like a skeleton. Oh,

523
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.960
like little moments like that, yeah, clearly, or just the way that

524
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.920
the Clone Troopers move, the way
they dart around. There are two episodes

525
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:59.760
of Clone Troopers, or at least
one. It's just completely silent from them.

526
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.280
Oh oh yeah's extraordinary, very little
talking. A huge difference between that

527
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.880
in the Clone Wars, which covers
a lot of ground around humanizing the Clones.

528
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.480
Yeah, the very first episode is
literally about you to giving a shit

529
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.519
about them as human beings, uh, which is really interesting. But in

530
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.039
this way, yeah, I mean
we're all just we're just doing some stuff.

531
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:30.239
We're doing it fast and we're doing
it sexy. There is immediately the

532
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.000
Jedi as opposed to I think what
the Clone Wars repivots them and what Lucas

533
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:42.039
is trying to convey and conveys quite
poorly in his executions within episode one and

534
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:46.039
two the Jedi where they're kind of
mired and bureaucracy. Uh huh, well,

535
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.360
okay, Actually, I think I'm
about to I think I'm about to

536
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.800
push back on whatever you're gonna say. You're going to be excited. I'm

537
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.599
excited. Go on, me sitting
there watching both of those movies being like

538
00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.960
the Jedi the coolest ever. Yeah, and I think this is the thing.

539
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:06.360
Sorry, go on, you're going
to keep talking about Uh yes,

540
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.760
I think that's true because but this
is not what Jeda are supposed to be,

541
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.719
like Jediar by nature peacekeepers. And
what it reminds me very strongly of

542
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:25.920
is when how say, for instance, how are we the force that we

543
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.079
are, the geopolitical force that we
are it's war, and how we were

544
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.679
able to engage in conflicts very strategically
and it actually was an economic boon for

545
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:46.880
us, and the fact that crisis
can often push figures to it's they're not

546
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:52.920
they're easy wins effectively, because it
is crisis, it is war, we

547
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.920
have to win against a known evil. And so these uh, these figures

548
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:04.199
who are taught to fight, yes, but like it kind of gets into

549
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.519
a little bit of do you have
a ta karate classes when you were a

550
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.880
kid? I took taekwondo classes the
biggest thing that you're taught And maybe you're

551
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.639
taught this in taekwondo, but I
was taught this in mi karate classes.

552
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.039
And I'm only bringing this up.
I'm not an expert, but I assume

553
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.760
that George likes this kind of stuff. Is like, the first thing you're

554
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.079
taught is if someone wants to fight, you run, Like it's actually not

555
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.199
a first choice to fight. The
first choice is to disengage. And the

556
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.199
only reason you should fight is because
you can't do anything else. So it's

557
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.159
almost like contrary to this concept,
and all of a sudden, when we

558
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.920
are in crisis, they seem like
they are more relevant than they are because

559
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:52.199
they cannot seek relevance through peace time. So that's what it is. So

560
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.880
of course they seem cool. I'm
not sure I agree with that, but

561
00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:01.079
also I believe it, and I
think, I mean, I think that's

562
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:05.400
a great point too. Does that
make sense? Oh yeah, And I

563
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.719
think this, I think this particular
piece is not interested in the nuances.

564
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.360
Oh yeah, in the slightest but
I bet the Clone Wars covers that nuance.

565
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.760
And I think that's well. And
I think again, it's not to

566
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.880
keep jumping ahead. Oh yeah.
But you're you're right though, because it

567
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.519
is like, look, this fucking
badass is literally, oh my god,

568
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:34.159
Mace wind just like who does just
start some magic. He's a wizard.

569
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:37.679
He's a space wizard. Mace Windy
who gets I believe two episodes so six

570
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:45.480
minute chunk doesn't talk, and one
of my favorite things, his lightsaber gets

571
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.159
taken away from him basically hmm.
And his whole trunk is basically just him

572
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.559
against a giant hammer. It's a
it's a it's a hole making machine.

573
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:58.239
It's a hole making machine. It's
actually one of the coolest things I've ever

574
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:05.760
seen, Like as a concept,
does a giant giant vehicle just like brow

575
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:12.119
it into the ground. It's a
giant piston and basically creates ground shock waves,

576
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:23.039
creating temporary hills us that go much
like a water It treats literally waves.

577
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.800
Yeah, it makes waves in the
ground, in the ground, it's

578
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:32.440
like a tsunami. Yeah, like
it's horrifying, it's rules. I loved

579
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.800
it. And you see, you
see all of these characters. The way

580
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.840
that my brain at the time was
like, yes, of course these are

581
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:46.119
the guys. This is it is
able to encapsulate what I thought these characters

582
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:52.519
were the entire time in a way
that Lucas couldn't And because so Lucas wasn't

583
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:58.199
interested in in the movies. And
I think and I do think, you're

584
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:04.360
right, Like my perspective here is
actually born up out of seven seasons of

585
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.440
the Clone War. Yeah, and
a lot of my other like opinions on

586
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:13.280
the way that Jedi are presented,
but like taking this just taking it a

587
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.480
face value, yeah, this is
right, like that that ending that like

588
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:22.639
final fight on Genosis and Attack of
the Clones. It looks absurd, right,

589
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.480
but it should feel extraordinary, should
be like, oh my god,

590
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:35.280
look at these Jed of a movie
A movie's worth of tension. Yes,

591
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:43.320
And because the way that film is
constructed from script and pre production work outwards,

592
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:49.079
it is just more noise. It's
messy, which your mileage may vary.

593
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.800
It's fun to look at, but
it doesn't really mean much. Doesn't

594
00:51:52.880 --> 00:52:04.039
mean much here loves and the other
folks on the team they love playing with

595
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:10.280
tension, they love it. There
is so much silence. Oh, sound

596
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.840
design is so pointed here we go. We got some visual storytelling that it's

597
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:22.719
just not nearly as overt in the
movies. Where I'm thinking about the scene

598
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:29.079
where Anakin is caught between it is
the office scene in Palpatine's office, and

599
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:30.599
it's obi Wan and Yoda talking about, Hey, what are we going to

600
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:35.360
do? Let's make and Palpatine is
like, let's make Anakin commander of the

601
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:45.519
ships. Yep, and Agendi composes
Anakin between Palpatine on one side, Anakin

602
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.840
smiling, and then cuts to Anakin
and obi Wan, and then Anakin frowning,

603
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:54.519
and you don't see the faces of
either of Palpatine or obi Wan.

604
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.440
It is purely just it's not about
it's not about what they're saying. It's

605
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.960
about the abound. There's a moment
too, at the end of that scene

606
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.760
where Yoda and obi Wan both look
over and it's just you just see their

607
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:15.280
faces and they are mad. They
were like, and I just I just

608
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.719
loved it. They don't have to
say anything. I was just like,

609
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:22.239
yes, yeah, there's some visual
storytelling that's going on in the In the

610
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:30.719
fist episode still where it felt like
the big look. We talked about narrative,

611
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.559
fury, we talk about story genesis, we talk about the hero's journey,

612
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:42.760
and then sometimes it's just like,
what a fight underwater? What a

613
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:51.000
light saber underwater? What there was
all light saber fight underwater? If lasers

614
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:55.840
underwater, light stabers underwater? No, you could turn all lights say it's

615
00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:05.719
light. No, you'd be so
cool and you're like fish frighting like lagers.

616
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.559
Well, I think to this end. The other great part about this

617
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.159
is how people just lose their clothing
so easily. And I love that kid

618
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:21.320
Fisto just throws off his cloak like
a hero. Later on, when Anakin

619
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:27.679
and assage Ventus are fighting, she
just keeps basically just like force pushing off

620
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:35.559
his sleeves. She loses her sleep. Everyone just loses clothing and they look

621
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:42.239
hot. Yes, Uh, the
kid Fisto, I noticed this. Uh.

622
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.679
The good guys are always moving right
to left and the bad guys are

623
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.679
always moving left to right, except
like a couple of times where they break

624
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:54.719
it to have someone come from the
bottom of frame to top. Oh,

625
00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:00.960
come on, that's great, So
your lizard brain always under stands what the

626
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.719
heck is going on, no matter
what the character designs look like, even

627
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:08.199
though the characters are so well designed, because he's not even worried about trying

628
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:14.320
to make these folks look exactly the
same, which then becomes it becomes a

629
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:20.599
problem because the expressionistic designs here of
then kind of get translated clunkily into the

630
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.920
three D clone Wars, and then
quite smartly, Coloni abandons that and rebels

631
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.679
and bad Batch in favor of something
that's still stylized but is a little bit

632
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:36.760
more closer to life as opposed to
hear where Againdi is just like, we're

633
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.599
gonna boil these things down to the
essence of what they are. You know,

634
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:45.119
as I was watching this, I
out loud was like to Joel,

635
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:51.599
I was like, I don't understand
how someone could watch this and then be

636
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.719
like, this would be better if
live action. So many people do,

637
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:01.119
I know, Like, I'm just
like, I think if if the live

638
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:08.280
action movies were filmed by a better
filmmaker, a more deft filmmaker, it

639
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:13.880
might be different, like you can
you can have dynamism like we have proof

640
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:19.039
of this and live action film you
know, speed yes, and like things

641
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.119
like you know, are like a
crouching tiger, right, you know,

642
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:27.320
like we have a speed Racer.
Are you know other films that are out

643
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:32.400
there like speed Racer? I don't
can't think of any like a speed racer?

644
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:38.639
So you know you have that.
I don't know why, like it

645
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.400
just to me, I you know, as someone who it's true, not

646
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.679
just for Star Wars, like you
know it's true for like I'm like,

647
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.719
why make goddamn why make a live
action avatag The Last Airbender? Why make

648
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:52.519
a live action cawp we be Bop? Like why would you do this when

649
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:57.000
what you actually had was like beautiful, high quality. I don't need this

650
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.719
to just be in a different medium
just because some people think that it would

651
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.400
be spar or when it is,
we're back to it. It's just not

652
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.079
not objectively but objectively not you know
what I mean. Like it's just I

653
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:12.400
don't know what you're trying to do. I don't know what you're trying to

654
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.519
do, so you ask them,
you do what they're trying to do more

655
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:22.440
money, not just that. Oh, but for audiences, think about it,

656
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.760
you know, you know, you
know why they have to have it.

657
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:37.559
Live action people are hot. People
be hot, that's true. No,

658
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:39.159
I don't know what the child things
that they love whenever they were a

659
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:45.199
child to grow up with them and
they live action? Is this shorthanded being

660
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.679
like ah, I can take it
seriously. Now, oh my god,

661
00:57:53.480 --> 00:58:01.519
weird, weird, weird, what
are we doing. I think we need

662
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.920
our nostalgia to be validated, and
I think live action is a shorthand for

663
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.360
folks to know that their thing has
been validated. Whether that's correct or not.

664
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:14.960
I mean, that's that's not correct, But that's the perception. Because

665
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:19.639
animation is a marvelous medium, I
think, and its own it is it

666
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.599
is quality in its own right.
Yeah, because it can become something that

667
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:27.880
is live action later. I wonder
if it's why. There's a lot of

668
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.079
reasons why, Like I like Ahsoka
the show I do, and I think

669
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:36.519
we're Sarrio Dustin does a great job. I uh, it's it's it's pronounced

670
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:46.800
Ahsoka, the shokah socha, the
Shoka. She gonna Soka so cea with

671
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:59.039
love. I you know, I
I I truly couldn't help watching and being

672
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:00.800
like, I don't know if I
actually mentioned this. I think I mentioned

673
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.159
a little bit, but I'm just
like kind of miss Ashley. I miss

674
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.599
Ashley Eckstein, I dis miss like
guess Soko was a beautifully like, well

675
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.280
rounded, interesting character in a different
medium, why you know what I mean.

676
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:20.800
So that's so weird because the dynamism
that's so present in Rebels. I

677
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.960
can't really speak to the quality of
the Clone Wars yet, but the dynamism

678
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:30.559
that I enjoyed in Rebels so gone
and flattened out. Because I feel like

679
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:37.320
you can disagree Aspen because I love
you and you're also smart. But I

680
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:42.159
feel like Foloni was probably going for
something that's a bit more serious minded,

681
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.119
which is kind of wild to me
because I'm like, why, my dude,

682
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.199
You're the one who made these things
that rule, Yeah, why lean

683
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.480
into it. There's a reason,
there's a reason that the fan base likes

684
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.960
you so much, and because you
were able to, I don't know,

685
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.000
capture the capture joy I captured the
a real Star Wars spirit within the animated

686
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:05.480
things. So whenever you go a
live action, why strip all that away?

687
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.440
Why not just present that? But
Also you ask the fan base and

688
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.000
people are like a lot of people
like it suck us. So what do

689
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.599
I know? Anyway, it's Clone
War's volume one good thing like it.

690
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.159
It's good. What else did they
write down it already? It already starts

691
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.920
to like do some heavy lifting work
that the Clone Wars will do later,

692
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:28.960
which is like give Padmemore to do, like make her interesting, make her

693
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:35.000
an interesting foil also against these like
hyper powered Jedi when she's very talented but

694
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:37.719
still just a person. You know, she's not a space wizard, she's

695
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:44.559
not a space U. Gendy understands
that war becomes noise. I'm thinking about

696
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.559
the Arc troop per section, and
there's a whole bunch of fighting, and

697
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:53.119
so Gendi understands that you can transform
the tension and then creates a new tension

698
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:58.480
by locating the snipers while there's a
whole bunch of fighting going on. Because

699
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.199
you can't just have noise. You
have to have some sort of dramatic tension.

700
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:07.159
You don't have to have He choose
to have dramatic tension underneath it.

701
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:13.440
And it's just and it is just
some really smart filmmaking. Have you also

702
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:27.159
considered jousting Clone Troopers. Yes,
yes, yes, I screamed, I

703
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:34.760
screamed, Kenny, it's so good. It's a it's a filmmaker who loves

704
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.000
Star Wars coming to being like I
get to play with all of the toys

705
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:43.119
and he and the medium of animation
offers you so many choices. And then

706
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:46.599
not only that, but they employ
computer graphics in a very smart way,

707
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:51.480
and so you get to have numbers. And then also Gindy is just so

708
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.119
creative. It's just like, what
if Star Wars joust? What if?

709
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:57.840
What if? Why not? And
then Obi wants leading the charge and then

710
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:01.400
this little helmet gets knocked up by
Dir and then frigging his hair flowing in

711
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:07.280
the wind. And I printed out
that frame of this hair flowing in the

712
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.960
wind. I printed it out and
I cut it into a little heart.

713
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.159
And I have a crush on cartoonobi
Wan. And it's really frustrating because I

714
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.199
think that I need to be in
a relationship with the picture. Yeah,

715
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.119
me, you're who we ship you
and cartoon obi Wan kiss his little picture.

716
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.760
I know it's illogical, but the
heart wants what the heart wants.

717
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.880
The heart wants. Also, Gendy
asking the question what about Bounty Hunter was

718
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:37.639
tentacles? What if tentacles? God, the design, the whole Bounty Hunter

719
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.599
is one big tentacle. He's just
one big tentacle. He's horrific. It's

720
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.840
a lot of like love Craftian imagery, I think, which is great,

721
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:53.599
like stylized Lovecraft, which is like
tentacles underwater tentacles just tentacles, what if

722
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:59.119
tentacles? Also not just keep naming
things, but speaking of underwater, speaking

723
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:14.480
of water lightsabers, you know exactly
what it is. I feel like Tartakovsky

724
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:23.719
captures also the visual imagery of like
Samurai films better than Lucas could. Yeah,

725
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:28.320
unfortunately, and these sequels like not
in like the original, like I

726
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:32.960
know, because that's a huge influence
of this. It's it's Anakin and Ventress,

727
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:40.760
sleepless, sexy standing. Uh,
they're on Yeavin right like they're like

728
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:45.760
it's yeah. And so it's she's
led him here. She's like led him

729
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:51.840
here to kill him. It's forested, it's spooky and dark. She's too

730
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.320
to trap him. They both have
their lightsabers out, she has her cool

731
01:03:55.400 --> 01:04:00.639
curved red sabers and then it just
starts to rain ever so slightly and it

732
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:04.239
goes strip drip, drip, and
every time there's a drip on the lightsabers,

733
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:09.920
it's sizles and it is so good
that it is heavier and heavier and

734
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.400
it's the most beautiful thing I've ever
seen. Attention, there's this, and

735
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.519
then like the red planet because it's
the Avin Foro and it's just like it

736
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.639
comes in and they're fighting, and
he starts getting more more rageful, and

737
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:24.920
he then like, she knocks his
lightsa around, so he picks up her

738
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:30.079
saber and it's a red saber and
he's got red and he oh my god.

739
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.800
And then you get the flashes.
You get like frame or two flashes

740
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:41.559
of Wyke on obi Wan Yoda looking
at the scene sadly and a completely expressionistic

741
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:49.039
new Linkas for Star Wars, oh, oh my god. Ah, this

742
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:54.039
is what happens whenever you have an
A plus filmmaker being given carte blanche to

743
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:59.719
do whatever they want on its thing. Oh well, and then he got

744
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:03.360
yeah and he got back and he
went, I'm sorry, masta, but

745
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:13.760
I was right, Si masta.
At this point, they have the the

746
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:18.079
voice actor that will go on into
the Clone Wars for Obi Wan, who

747
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.079
is oh gosh, what is his
name? He's so James Arnold Taylor,

748
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:28.920
Yes, James Arnold Taylor. And
they have also Gray Griffin, who I

749
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:33.960
believe she's as Sage and here for
this one, but I thought she did

750
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:39.440
Padme and the Clone Wars. She
has a lot of people, so they

751
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:44.519
do have a lot of the voice
actors that will go on, uh into

752
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.599
the next into the Clone Wars.
But I think I think James Arnold Taylor

753
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:56.519
is like the big one because he's
so distinctive, like truly as he sounds

754
01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.320
exactly like Hugh McGregor. He's plenty
of difference between you McGregor and Alec Gennis

755
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:06.320
while also being his own Obi Wan
as well, which is so fascinating because

756
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:14.440
these characters have to be doing an
impression without feeling like they're doing an impression

757
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:18.400
right exactly. Oh my god,
this stuff is so difficult. Hey,

758
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:23.159
sorry, I'm just like looking at
the voice actors. So, uh,

759
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:28.400
Chree Summer was Luminara and Dooley.
Yes, that's so, she was Ewoks,

760
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:33.639
right, she was an Ewoks Lisa
no who she will look her up.

761
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.360
I'm pretty Surechree Summer was only part
of Eok season one. Okay,

762
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:41.440
which is right? Whild did I
know that must be Lisa? Well,

763
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:44.719
but I remember because we like very
distinctly like thought about her and looked her

764
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.960
up. But she just showed up
on an episode of Abbot Elementary Wow,

765
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:53.559
which is a joy. Gosh.
She plays a new librarian and it's just

766
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:58.159
like she's fantastic. Oh my gosh, this is great. I'm loving this.

767
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:00.679
There's also a lot of people showing
up in abb I'll Elementary that are

768
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:06.000
like, oh my favorite comedians Kima
who I see on Dropout, Like she's

769
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:09.360
now sort of like she doesn't a
tonnel lines, but she is. She

770
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.800
has lines. She's a recurring character
now on Avid Elementary. Yes, yes,

771
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.719
yes, yes, yes, we
love aut That Elementary makes us cry

772
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:20.599
and laugh. June Diane Rayfiel has
on it. It's great. Anyway,

773
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:26.639
we were talking about Star Wars.
I think we're just talking about how masterful

774
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.480
this. Yeah, it's just fabulous. It's incredible. What started out as

775
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:36.440
minute long commercials yep that were going
to be used to just kind of keep

776
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:45.440
Star Wars in the consciousness yep,
and instead I think captured, undeniably,

777
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:51.920
folks who hated the prequels were like
that Cold Wars cartoon trail cartoon troll.

778
01:07:53.000 --> 01:08:00.159
I was sick. I think I'm
just gonna make a I'm gonna make a

779
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:05.920
a guest now a prediction. You're
not gonna be as excited about the Clone

780
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:09.880
Wars. I'm not. I've tried
it before. Now, yeah, you're

781
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:12.280
not. It's gonna it's not gonna
be a thing. It does not hit

782
01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:16.840
as fast, it's not. No. From the first ten seconds of the

783
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:26.800
animation post logos, yeah uh you
are, you're you're You're being treated to

784
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:31.439
a master at work. Because Gendy, outside of just Star Wars Clone Wars,

785
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:38.760
has achieved so much artistically, and
whenever he approaches a show is always

786
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:44.720
challenging himself or challenging the medium,
except for maybe like Hotel Transylvania. But

787
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:50.199
even with Hotel Transylvania, he's pushing
three D animation to be more like two

788
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:57.359
D and achieves some interesting results.
So even whenever he's working with something that

789
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:01.920
could intensibly be construed as cynical,
he's still trying something and I mean it

790
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.760
does get to benefit from the structure
of what it is though, right,

791
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:12.119
yes, like which is something to
be said. And I'm not taking away

792
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:16.680
from it by any meat, but
I think, you know, because we

793
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.119
are going to compare it to the
Clone Wars like that is inevitable, and

794
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:26.319
that's what people did whenever the Clone
Wars came out. And now this show

795
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:32.039
barely, these two d cartoons barely
exist, and they should exist. They

796
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:36.039
should, they should be seen.
They fucking rule. I have this sort

797
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:41.319
of experience of the of the Clone
Wars where I got to let it breathe

798
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.920
and become something, and the same
way that we give lots of shows time,

799
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.600
you know, like people still talk
about Buffy, one of my favorite

800
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:50.399
shows ever, and they're like first
season and it's like, sure, you

801
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:56.239
gotta let things breathe a little bit
and find their footing. And then of

802
01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:58.800
course you get to the end of
the thing and it's like, look at

803
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:00.319
this, and there's some arcs that
are better than others. There's you know,

804
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.119
they're long seasons, right, they're
filling out time. Sometimes. The

805
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:11.399
Clone Wars TV show, what's a
completely different system, not just in terms

806
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:14.600
of the execution, but in terms
of the way that it's set up.

807
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.239
Yeah, but we'll get to that, will I just about that, which

808
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:21.199
I'm very excited to jump into the
research for that. I need to protect

809
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:25.720
my heart a little. But also
there are Arcs and Clue Clone Wars,

810
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.239
and I'm like, oh god,
and so I love that this piece is

811
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.359
up against the Omega Glory this week. Oh I forgot we were talking about

812
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:39.640
that. Yeah, that that's so
excited about that exactly. And I've already

813
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:45.680
drawn that parallel between something that creator
left too much, yeah, versus someone

814
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:50.039
being given carte blanche to do whatever
they want to with what is viewed as

815
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:55.520
a sacred property. Yeah, dude, Well, I mean, and you

816
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:59.079
can see what happens when you don't
treat it as sacred if you just love

817
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:03.640
the thing and let let it go, you know, Gendy, And we'll

818
01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:08.680
talk about this more this week.
Gendy loves great animation more than he loves

819
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:14.359
Star Wars, and I think that's
a really good way to approach anything,

820
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.800
Like you have to love good filmmaking
or good storytelling more than you love the

821
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:23.000
concept or the idea of Star Wars. As we're talking if it's going to

822
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.600
live, you know, as we've
talked about so many times, Jane loves

823
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:33.960
Gene, I think more than he
loves Star Trek, and that gets kind

824
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:40.840
of conflated with itself whenever next generation
comes around. Did you just say Jane

825
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:45.319
loves Gene. Yeah, Jane loves
Gene. Okay, I love that.

826
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:47.039
First time, I thought you were
just repeating yourself. I realize what you

827
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.239
said. Jane loves Gene. He
loves himself more than he loves Star Trek.

828
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:58.720
Yeah, he's he loves this idea. He thinks it's so clever,

829
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:01.319
goes to the map for it it
mm hmm, and then goes to the

830
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:05.520
studios like push. This episode,
I think it's really special. And that's

831
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:12.880
not the first time that that's happened
this season, right, yep? And

832
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:18.359
I don't know both Roddenberry written.
Well, there have been more, but

833
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:26.319
like the Gene Roddenberry credited episodes recently, I've been bad. Right, What

834
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.159
was the other one? Exactly?
Is a private little war? I totally

835
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:34.600
forget it. Okay, it must
be a private little war. And the

836
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:40.319
other one that I hated, Yeah, yeah, what you're doing, just

837
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.279
get a little lost in yourself,
lost in your own bullshit. You know,

838
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:46.640
I'm looking at I'm looking at the
list. I'm looking at the list

839
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:53.399
which Red is great episode? Well, the interesting episode Changeling, Apple Mirror

840
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:57.560
Mirror definitely years. Things like this. Things like this bring me back to

841
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.720
like a question you asked months before
we started this, and I think might

842
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:03.560
have been like an origin moment for
you, being like what if we did

843
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:09.319
this, which is like, what
is what makes Star Wars Star Wars versus

844
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:15.760
Star Trek Star Trek? Yeah,
and I do think that Star Trek gets

845
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:23.239
to occupy a space of more like
thematic concept, which makes it easier to

846
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:29.119
spread across. So you know it
is about and I like a kind of

847
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:34.880
idealistic future. What the episode?
I can't believe it. The episode that

848
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:41.000
we're struggling to think of is return
to Tomorrow. Remember the one with the

849
01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:45.439
we just did this episode. It's
wild that you and I are both trying

850
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:49.680
to scramble what this episode is.
That's the one where the aliens get transplanted

851
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:55.279
into the bodies. Oh and the
risk and the risk is our business speech.

852
01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.279
Oh, I didn't hate that,
actually really likes It's not it's adequate,

853
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:05.720
Yeah, but like that's rotten.
Berrier was going to the map for

854
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:10.119
that one, choosing to submit that
one for the Emmys. Versus like a

855
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:16.000
Time Menimum, which goes through the
gene being in love with Gene, yeah

856
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.640
right, versus like yeah, because
you can feel and you might like that

857
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.399
episode, but you can feel that
risk is our business speech being like this

858
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:26.920
is really written? Yeah right,
you know, and yeah there's something to

859
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.880
hear about, Like sorry to interrupt
you, no, no, no,

860
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:32.399
but uh oh what was I saying? Oh, the idea of Star Trek

861
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:38.600
getting to like exist more in a
space of like what we could be and

862
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:45.159
like concepts, so it's more easily
transferable across different types of medium and shows

863
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.439
and people, whereas like what makes
Star Wars star Wars is like the feeling

864
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:53.359
of Star Wars, right, But
I don't think that has to be true.

865
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:57.560
No, or it can be true, and it's like it can also

866
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:02.199
feel, it can be presented differently
in different ways. I mean, and

867
01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:04.920
I don't think it has to be
And I think the only way to keep

868
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:09.159
it living is to do things like
this, is to do things like what

869
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:12.039
the sounds like the Acolyte is doing, which is like you don't necessarily even

870
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.960
have to be familiar, we just
have to be like focus on good writing.

871
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:19.039
Going back to that distinction made between
Clone Wars and the Clone Wars and

872
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:26.079
bringing that comparison writ large to Star
Wars and Star Trek. Even though we

873
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:30.399
have covered all the visual media of
Star Wars, the conception is that these

874
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:35.079
things have existed only as movies Star
Wars versus Star Trek, where the medium

875
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:39.960
is television, and so it has
the benefit of being able to be whatever

876
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:45.279
it wants week to week, and
then whenever it does next generation Gene quite

877
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:50.399
smartly goes, we have to earn
their love all over again, right,

878
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:57.720
and so them being able to break
the format is built into the DNA mutual

879
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:04.319
earlier than what Star Wars perceived to
be. Yeah, and it is interesting

880
01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:09.560
that we are now putting so much
emphasis on these current live action Star Wars

881
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.920
shows when you know we have this
wealth of these Star Wars shows. They

882
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:18.319
just happen to be animated. We
don't take that as seriously, but there

883
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:24.279
is a real flexibility to like try
things and be something else, try new

884
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:27.479
types of stories, and sometimes fail, which is what you get when you

885
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:30.039
can have a series of twenty two
to twenty six episodes, as opposed to

886
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:35.199
you get six episodes and that's it, which is its own nature of like

887
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:43.039
current streaming services. So it's like
better to actually compare these twenty six episodes

888
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:46.079
seasons to more like Star Trek,
you know, if we're thinking of it

889
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:48.880
that way, not us personally,
because we're doing this in chronological order,

890
01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:59.239
which makes perfect sense, you know. Anyway, It's almost like there's dark

891
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:06.119
forces at work, clouded. Uh
the future is you want to sorry?

892
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:11.920
Is that all me done? We
done put that tongue back in your mouth.

893
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:19.880
We done play the song. Don't
you take my walk lighter and clip

894
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:25.760
it. Don't you take my red
schord, buddy and nip it? If

895
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:30.119
you spill the tea, I'm gonna
sip it. A starship it got it,

896
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:35.600
got me, got me? What
are we doing? Uh? I'm

897
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:41.800
gonna name our favorite starships in the
sky from either property and our favorite romantic

898
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:46.600
ships. I have a ship,
excellent, what's your ship? I have

899
01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:50.439
multiple ships, but I had to
choose one, and it's one. I

900
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:56.000
just want to say that Dukus ship
is back with this little sun sale.

901
01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:00.000
I lost my mind. I already
said that one. You're so happy.

902
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:02.600
I'm so happy. I love it. No, but I will tell you

903
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:12.800
what it is. It's the GENEVEX
class star Fighter. Uh JENVX class star

904
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:23.520
star Fighter otherwise known as the fan
Blade star Fighters, and specifically it is

905
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:28.960
Ventris's ship. The whole ship is
one big fan. It's what it's like

906
01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:33.239
how Corazon is one big city.
This ship is one big fan. It

907
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:39.960
is incredible. It's where six Starfighters
constructed by the Genos and Huppla Pasta Tisk

908
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:45.960
Shipwrights Collective for Assage Ventures and her
cohorts, so it is massages made for

909
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:50.119
her for cohorts. It's beautiful.
The way it cuts through the sky,

910
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:55.920
the way she flies it. It
literally is a fan. It's got lasers

911
01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:59.720
on it. It's like she's able
to shoot. The way she flies it

912
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:05.439
is extraordinary. Anakin who is There
is a point while I was watching this

913
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.239
where I was like, and again, is an extraordinary pilot, Like he's

914
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:12.359
so good at this, Like he's
so amazing the way Like there was this

915
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:15.680
point where he like did this wild
move where he just like anticipated perfectly with

916
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.119
all these anyway, it was good. He's such a good pilot. So

917
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:21.720
he is like, what the fuck
is this? Yeah, man, huh,

918
01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:28.680
she's a good pilot. He cuts
through the sky just like cuts to

919
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:33.439
the sky and the space. He
orders the troopers to fire the missiles while

920
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:40.479
he is dragging a whole bunch of
Droid fighters behind him, orders the troopers

921
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:45.520
to fire at the bow of a
star destroyer. So good, Anakin goes,

922
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:49.000
do it now, Trooper. They're
like, Okay, nails it.

923
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:55.520
He nails it. God, it's
so good. And so imagine that this

924
01:19:55.600 --> 01:20:00.359
guy whipping around being the best pilot
in the galaxy and then adda at nowhere,

925
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:05.000
Ventures is like, I get you, and he's like he keeps being

926
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:11.479
like who is he? And I'm
like, who is he? Truly a

927
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:18.680
messogynist. It's like she can't operate
on it's her son. The doctor's a

928
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:23.760
woman. Anyway, He's a great
ship. Uh you know what else is

929
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:29.239
a great ship? The USS Exeter. Yes, ooh, a spooky ship

930
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.600
boop. What's great about that ship
is that it's exactly the same as the

931
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:35.760
USS Enterprise, and at least according
to the spreadsheet, I have not said

932
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:41.680
the USS Enterprise, but that can't
be true. Yeah, I must have

933
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:45.640
said it. I've said the ISS
Enterprise. But anyways, you get to

934
01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:51.760
talk about Matt Jefferies' brilliant design once
again by showing the USS Exeter. And

935
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:59.079
what's great watching the original version with
the special effects the way that they were

936
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:03.279
shown back in the day. It's
very clearly just stock footage compositive on top

937
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:08.840
of more stock footage, the Enterprise
watching the USS Exeter, and so you've

938
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:12.960
got two pieces of stock footage coexisting
with each other going around a planet.

939
01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:18.359
It's brilliant. I love it.
Also, the lighting on the Exeter creepy.

940
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:23.520
You can tell that they're going hand
being able to do some expressionistic lighting

941
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:29.079
working with shadows. Yeah, it's
just a spooky It's spooky. It's really

942
01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:33.199
lovely. Love it. Uh freaking
Enterprise is such a great design. Love

943
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:39.119
it. Oh, very into it, very into it. Uh what else

944
01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:45.880
are you into? Aspen? I'm
also into ships, shipping ship ships,

945
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:51.479
ships, ships, shippings, shippies, shippies, ships. Okay, I

946
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:56.199
got one. This will change later, I mean I will have another one,

947
01:21:56.199 --> 01:22:00.680
including her. But it is venturous
and Anakin. Here we go.

948
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:03.960
Oh yes, I'm so. I'm
so sick of it. We haven't been

949
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:10.119
cooking with gas until this. Now
we're cooking with fire, cook him with

950
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:15.319
fire. She's ripping his sleeves off. He's just got it's like straps here,

951
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:26.039
bulging muscles, and she's like it's
sexy. It's so sexy, so

952
01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:30.600
angry. She's such a good match
for him. She jumps up into the

953
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:32.479
trees and he jumps up into the
trees and they have a tree fight.

954
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:41.640
That's love. Tree fighting is that
it's not love, it's pure it's pure

955
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:47.800
sexual energy. Venturess will also have
wild chemistry with Obi wan Lad, but

956
01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:55.199
in this case it was Anakindventuress all
the way. Some sexy shit. Yes,

957
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:00.079
I want to do a serious one, Okay, I mean mim was

958
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:04.720
serious. Well, that is a
serious one. My joke answer would be

959
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:11.279
kirk in America. I like it
though, kirking that American flag at the

960
01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:14.520
end that it gives such a significant
look to which is why, by the

961
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:18.319
way, if you're making people,
if you're making some commentary about nationalism gone

962
01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:23.760
rogue, like you're doing a really
shitty way of like commenting on it in

963
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.960
any thoughtful way. Now it just
looks like you're yeah, you could do

964
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.840
that episode right now. You could
do this episode in strange New Worlds where

965
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:32.840
they're treating the Constitution it's more sacred
than the Bible. Uh, And that

966
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:38.359
is yeah, yeah, or the
Bible more sacred than constituation I don't know,

967
01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.439
or just both of them. I
don't know. Just the constitution more

968
01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:44.560
sacred than I don't know. I
could do any of this. We could

969
01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:49.840
do it. You and I could
do it. Mumm, I gotta go

970
01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:55.640
back to the text. Freaking figure
out what that guy's name is. Sucks.

971
01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:58.159
I hate this episode. It's bad. I don't like it. It's

972
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:02.319
terrible. The main the main leader, main Leader Cloud William and uh Surrah,

973
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:06.199
what's her name? Here? I
go, sah, there a lady

974
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:13.920
Welliam. What's great about them is
that he's going and she's a girl,

975
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:17.239
and that's a serious ship. And
then whatever you heard it here, folks,

976
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:25.279
Kenny says, the only serious ships
are guys and girls. If there

977
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:29.800
was chemistry, if there was chemistry
with anyone, Yeah, you know,

978
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:35.520
is that one there's that one part
where that uh yeah, calm, calm

979
01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:42.760
or whatever lady brings in food for
McCoy and it's he like looks at her.

980
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.319
It's it's such way, way too
much. You know that Geene was

981
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:53.560
on set that day. Yeah,
that's some real like, that's that is

982
01:24:53.640 --> 01:25:02.960
some fun orientalism and exotification, is
there? Oh my god, pretty lady,

983
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:06.520
pretty Asian lady and McCoy's just like, well, thank you, and

984
01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:17.199
you're like, what, yeah,
so I'm with you, Cloude William and

985
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.560
Sarah much better than anything, though, I am. I really do appreciate

986
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.800
it. Kirk America. Look,
I want to take it a little bit

987
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:32.239
seriously, but like Kirk loves America
in this episode. Yeah, gosh,

988
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:42.800
why anyway, remember in that one
episode where Horo was like the sun they're

989
01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:46.159
talking about they're talking about Jesus.
No, I don't remember that. It

990
01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:49.560
was back in the day whenever we
were watching The Apple, Remember that episode

991
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:59.159
there was a snake. Kirk was
like nope, what No? What did

992
01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:03.520
I delete that? Probably from my
brain? Yeah, what are you talking

993
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:09.680
about? There was you know,
an episode where a hoora got to do

994
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:13.800
anything at all. No, well, not until the animated series. Okay,

995
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:15.439
she gets that's the reason, that's
a reason to watch. She gets

996
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:21.680
one. Good. No, I
don't think it was the Apple. There's

997
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:28.760
an episode. I'll figure it out. I'll figure okay. Anyway, anyway,

998
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:32.640
Yes we do. Yeah, let's
do what we do. We'll go

999
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.520
back to the main concept of this
entire podcast by answering the one question,

1000
01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:41.880
the ultimate question, which is better
Star Tecker Star Wars again the properties that

1001
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:45.479
are on plate or the Omic Glory
versus Star Wars Clone Wars Volume one,

1002
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:48.520
and I will start the Omega Glory. I'm going to give this one like

1003
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:56.439
a point to wow. Uh,
I could give it a point fine because

1004
01:26:56.439 --> 01:27:01.199
it's spite ranking because this episode is
really racist. And if you're not talking

1005
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:06.239
about the orientalism has Asspen mentioned,
then you're talking about white people, uh

1006
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:14.439
being endowed with the traits of the
American Indian and then so they're aping stereotypes

1007
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:20.800
of indigenous bulks h And along with
the racism, it's just a bad episode

1008
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:28.840
Star Trek. That is so cute, it is infuriating, and it is

1009
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:34.680
Star Trek on a very bad day. Yeah, jeez, jeez, jeez,

1010
01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:40.640
jeez, jeez, jeez jeez.
I've hated episodes more than I've hated

1011
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:45.319
this episode. Yes, but like
this is I don't know, man,

1012
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:50.199
this episode is Gene being way too
precious about his precious little ideas. I'm

1013
01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:55.000
just gonna give it a three.
I'm fine with that. A private little

1014
01:27:55.039 --> 01:28:00.600
war is pretty bad. Similar territory. Yeah, yeah, well I want

1015
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:08.720
it. Star Trek is good.
Star Trek is good and sometimes Star Trek

1016
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:13.920
is bad. Uh. I'm gonna
give Clone Wars an eight point five.

1017
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:19.479
Yes, put that down there,
not on yours, put it on mine

1018
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:27.640
aspen, right. I mean usually
we like to get philosophical about all of

1019
01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:30.359
these episodes, but then this episode
has just been filled with us being like,

1020
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.960
you remember this moment, you remember
this moment, and you remember this

1021
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:41.399
moment and it is just it is. Uh. I would rank it a

1022
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:45.720
ten, but like there were moments
where my intention just kind of you know,

1023
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:47.800
I'm gonna bump it up to a
nine. I don't care hah.

1024
01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:53.600
Yeah. I mean there were moments
where things I felt my attention waiver,

1025
01:28:55.119 --> 01:29:02.600
and that's because a attention demand.
Uh, and be at some point all

1026
01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:06.920
these badass animation things do kind of
start to feel samey, yes, but

1027
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:14.039
at the same time, there is
so much wit, yeah, in just

1028
01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:20.399
storytelling, wit in terms of how
clever the animation is and how interesting.

1029
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:30.319
There's just so much visually going on
without ever feeling crowded. Yeah. Yeah,

1030
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:32.800
like it's it's just brilliant. Yeah, it's great. I'm gonna give

1031
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:39.119
it a nine too, a nine
as well. Uh yeah, yeah,

1032
01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:41.920
I think the times maybe I sort
of drifted a little bit, or I

1033
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:48.159
really there the kind of fights in
Mutilens or something like. They're still very

1034
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.840
clever, but when there is just
like a lot of like fight fight like

1035
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:56.920
kind of battle coordination, it's easy
to be a little like fighting. But

1036
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.000
then it would come right back,
something would happen. I'd be like,

1037
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.479
yeah, man, yeah, it's
you're right, it's so funny. We're

1038
01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:08.199
very rarely like and then this great
thing happened, and this is a cool

1039
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:13.319
day happened. It's just so cool. It is just so cool. It's

1040
01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:16.800
just cool. And if you haven't
love it. Oh, Also, by

1041
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:26.600
the way, Star Wars wins in
the week handle it handily Clone Wars Volume

1042
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:31.880
one with an extremely robust nine versus
the Omaga glorious total one point six.

1043
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:40.079
Uh, you do love to see
it, idea, folks. Yeah,

1044
01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:44.399
if you're listening to this podcast,
more than likely you like Star Wars or

1045
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:47.920
Star Trek or maybe just really like
us. But if you haven't done yourself

1046
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:54.760
the favor of watching the volume one
on Clone Wars, like go go,

1047
01:30:55.159 --> 01:31:00.479
it's an hour long. It's perfect
length. Yeah, and you're gonna watch

1048
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:02.800
volume two too. I've never seen
it I'm just so excited and you get

1049
01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:08.159
more Cone Wars more. I'm so
excited. That's gonna be. Like we

1050
01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:14.319
barely even talked about how the very
end introduces Grievous and he is like scariest

1051
01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:17.960
shit has been. We'll talk about
general Grievous more next week and how that

1052
01:31:18.039 --> 01:31:25.560
character changes. Oh yeah, and
I will say it again. I'll say

1053
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.560
it now, and I will say
it again. I love Grievous in all

1054
01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.079
forms. Despite everything people think he's
a joke, I love him all the

1055
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:35.840
same. So it's actually wild to
see this real first introduction of him in

1056
01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:40.680
this way that's like, oh,
okay, that's what he is. He's

1057
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:45.520
really scared. Yeah, so yeah, but there's no reason to be scared

1058
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:50.239
of talking with us. You can
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1059
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:56.640
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at trek wars Pod. I assure you

1060
01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:00.039
we do look at those things.
Additionally, if you would feel so so

1061
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:04.199
blessed, so kind, let's just
do us the favor of hopping over to

1062
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:09.720
trek warspod dot com, clicking on
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1063
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:16.039
It would be really appreciated. Please
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1064
01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:19.680
you love listening to us and just
want more every single week, why not

1065
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:25.039
head over to our Patreon Patreon dot
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1066
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:30.119
get extended episodes, early episodes,
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1067
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:33.359
folks such as Tim Bochisosa, Emily
Bryce Love, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller,

1068
01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:39.920
Mark Vibert also known as Arizona Mark
within our own Track Wars canon and

1069
01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:46.680
it is canon? What's canon?
Arizona Mark? Oh that he exists?

1070
01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:53.760
Yeah, Okay, that's his name. Okay, that's his name now.

1071
01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:57.279
Uh, look at me, look
at me, that's his name now.

1072
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:01.680
Oh. Also Ryan Hill, Aaron
Signs, and certainly, lastly, but

1073
01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.720
certainly not leastly, Jolty Partner.
Thank you so much, Jolty Partner.

1074
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:11.119
Also being the composer of the I
Starship its song. Our theme song is

1075
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:15.680
by mister Tosin Alifeso. Thank you
so much for our theme song. We

1076
01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:19.800
love you, Joel. I hope
that dinner is on the table for us.

1077
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:25.079
We can't wait to eat pizza tonight. We did eat pizza? Yeah,

1078
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:31.760
I know, oh what yeah,
I'm here with it. I know.

1079
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:36.720
In my closet Yeah, I'm in
your closet, but hopefully not the

1080
01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:40.439
closet of your heart, ascid,
because I love you very very much.

1081
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.399
Now you're out of a closet,
that's for sure. It's in the open.

1082
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:49.079
We love each other. Yes,
listeners, we love you. May

1083
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:55.960
the Force be with you and live
a lot of your prosper Kenny, you

1084
01:33:55.960 --> 01:34:03.520
did like no sound effects this episode
names. I guess like poetry is so

1085
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:11.039
that they why. Yeah,