CROSSPOST: Intergalactic - Babylon 5: The Road Home

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I posed as a meta reader.
I put a bug on the tall kids

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mom's place. For three hours straight, all they talked about was something called

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Babylon five. Hey, it's Mike. Welcome to Intergalactic, the podcast about

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the greatest sci fi movies and TV
of all time. This is another episode

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of Essential Babylon Five in which we
talk about a TV show called Babylon five.

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I'm with Kenny Madison from the Trek
Wars podcast today. Hello Kenny,

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Hello, Mike, Thank you for
being here. It's gonna be weird because

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you're in front of me, and
I'm a notes person, so I'm gonna

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be looking at my laptop the whole
time, but also talking to you.

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That's okay. You can refuse to
just make eye contact with me and I

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will understand. I'll understand. I
can't really see you because I lost my

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glasses. I told you about that
whole journey earlier today. Can't see a

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damn thing, Kenny. We're gonna
chat about The Road Home. The Babylon

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five animated movie came out last August, the first Babylon five thing to come

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along and almost since The Lost Tales
twenty years I think, when did when

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did the Lost Tales come out like
two thousand and seven. Yeah, I

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think that's that feels about right.
Yeah, in that very small cusp where

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companies were just like, we're actually
going to put money into producing some hike

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and by studios, I mean like, well, there was the Battlestar Galactica

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Razor mini series, and then there
was ant Hillary, the Get Smart spinoff

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movie that was like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, but with two labtacks. Like there

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were a couple I've never seen that. I saw the Andy Dick series,

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the Get Smart reboot in the late
nineties. That is a thing that exists

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with Andy Dick. Do you remember
that? No? Oh, find it

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should I it's starring it's starring Andy
Dick. Very rarely has someone been like

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you got to check out this Andy
Dick thing. I mean you mentioned a

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really obscure Get Smart thing. I
was just like, he might be into

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this, get so Bruce and Lloyd
out of control? Yeah no, no,

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no, I'm just into ancillary DVD
mos carry all right, got it,

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got it, got it, got
it? Got it? Fuck me?

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Then, Kenny, Yeah, that's
a I'm glad that that's what you

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are. Just not making eye contact
with me at all. It's really unfortunate.

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I'm looking down the whole time.
I'm looking down. But yeah,

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the Lost did you see the Lost
Tails? Yes, I've seen all of

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babelon you've seen it all. Okay, tell me about before we dive into

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this movie. Since when have you
been a Babylon five fan? And what

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does that mean and look like to
you, sir? I remember watching Babylon

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five when I was a kid over
my grandma's. I would not say that

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I was an aggressive Babylon five fan. I was not on the message board,

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so I was not talking with JMS. No, No, it's Big

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Joe. Big Joe, that's what
we call him here. Okay, not

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talk with Big Joe on the message
boards. But I was quite aware of

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Battle on five. I knew that
it was good, but it's weird.

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Thing on what was it PTSN P
ten P ten. That's a primetime entertainment

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network. Yes, them trying to
do the model of next generation as well

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while also just trying to launch their
own network and that failing pretty miserably.

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I'm tracks see that one. That
is a TV show that exists. It

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was on P ten, came on
after Babylon five. I didn't see it,

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but this is what people have told
me. No one did so I

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remember it being on on the weekends. But and then, because I've been

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a star Trek boy, Star Wars
boy from birth, always knowing that Babylon

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five was actually the secretly good one. Like everyone like you want this real

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science fiction fan knows that Babylon five, that's the one. One, that's

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the one and so over. The
pandemic is whenever I think the Babylon five

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went on Salon Voodoo and I finally
just went, let's do it. I've

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got the time and wash all of
Babylon five. So you didn't watch all

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of it back in the nineties,
no, okay, No, So this

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is a pandemic recent Yes, the
land for you, Okay, this is

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a recent fandom. Me too.
I just got into it like last year.

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Yes, because it became available on
Max the one to watch HBO.

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Then they've stripped it out of there
now it's on the two B where it

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belongs, belongs on the two B. I think it was surprising to see

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that HBO. It's a surprise to
see that Warner Brothers put any money into

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this whatsoever. It has to be
them really just attempting to hold onto the

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rights just in case. Yeah,
because it makes no sense because it is

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it's such a singular thing that is
hard sci fi. Yeah, that's obviously

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pretending to be not pretending to be
Star Trek. The Surface is Start,

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did you pretending to be Started?
More like the Surfaces? You can advertise

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it as like a Star Trek clone, but it's so so much different.

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It's its own thing. Yeah.
Yes, I feel like though we're in

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a market where that kind of stuff
can flourish. I mean, yeah,

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oh my god, the expanse.
Yeah, it was hard sci fi,

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like even denser than Battlestar Galactica at
times, and that not only got a

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fan base, but even after it
was canceled on one network, another network

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picked it up and it did well. Saved us, Thank you Daddy,

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thank you think And then Babylon five
is more akin to the limited amount of

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the Foundation series that I have read. It's more interested in like society building,

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right, how this happens? And
it's doing all of this on a

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last Starfighter basically budget, and it
is it is not successful at all times.

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Whenever it is singing and singing quite
well, but I can't help but

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just go, wow, this is
extremely ambitious and just the materials were not

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there at the time, and it's
shocking that the Babylon five exists the way

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that it does. Big Joe,
Big Joe Man, Big Joe, Big

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Joe, Big Joe. Did you
read his autobiography? No, it's fucked

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up? Is it? It's really
good? Yeah, it's really good.

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But his childhood was, oh my
god, a nightmare. But he threads

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in how basically how comic books and
science fiction saved his life, you know.

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And it's great and it gives you
a it heightens if you're reading a

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nerd you love this stuff, but
it heightens your own appreciation for that kind

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of stuff in your life too,
by seeing how much it impacted him and

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helped pull him out of the gutter
in so many ways and inspire him to

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create this amazing show. Right,
But yeah, you should. But I

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think it's a book on tape now. I believe because I am a voracious

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reader. At this moment I mentioned
that it's an audiobook. You don't look

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like a reader to me, so
yeah, that's true. I'm just kidding,

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just kidding, deeply sunk it's true. So I'm glad to hear that

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you recently got into this because the
other few people I've had on this podcast

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were like OG fans from the nineties, you know, and they're like saying

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all these references and shit, and
I'm like grasping. I'm like, I

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can't even quote the show. I
can say, like, not the one

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and that's it, you know,
but yes, that's his name. So

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this is an interesting time for B
five. We're getting rumors of the reboot.

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Oh that's maybe that's not gonna happen
anymore now. No, it was

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too if it was the money scape
that we had two years ago, yeah,

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there's a strong possibility. But considering
that Hollywood is now being like,

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let's or we could just spend more
money on one thousand pounds Sisters, which

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I'm sure is a fine show.
But like, I don't know, this

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movie apparently did well that we're going
to talk about it, did you know.

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I mean, if this movie sold
moved units, we might get something

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right. Yes, So it's so
weird that this thing exists. Yeah,

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it is weird, especially the way
that it does, because why why is

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Warner Brothers taking the approach that it's
been taking to the DC animated movies and

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being like, you know what else
this would scale with Babylon five. It's

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so bizarre. It's so bizarre.
And then instead of just MA, you

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can get a streaming only release,
like it was like physical media first,

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and I'm just like, is this
I mean, there's make no mistake.

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That's that's the world that I want
to live in. Mike, me too.

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It's on DVD, it's on Blu
Ray, It's on four K Blu

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Ray, like they actually put out
physical media for this movie. Yeah,

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yeah, it's weird. I have
very mixed feelings about this movie. It's

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not great. Tell me how you
it's not great. It's not great.

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A Gentleman's five okay out of five
out of ten? Okay, I think

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I agree five five point five for
me. Tell me how you feel there.

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How many times have you seen it? Six? I've only uh yeah,

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I've just gotten done with my twenty
second watch. This just rings around

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my eyes just because I've been like
voraciously devouring No. I watched it once,

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and even whenever I was watching it, then I was amped to watch

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it, and then I found my
excitement waning. I knew it was going

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to have the idiosyncrasies that get attached
with any Battle on five project, which

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is Big Joe's. I can tell
you love calling him that Big Jo.

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I do, yes, it was
originally going to be Big Daddy Joe.

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Somebody warned me against that a big
Big Joe's idiosyncrasy is within the way that

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he writes Babylon five, because you
either have to be with it or you

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are just going to go this is
this is rough, This is rough,

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And I felt like those idiosyncrasies somehow
work best here in this format. For

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some reason, the humor, weird
sense of humor that JMS has works for

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me here. This is a film
that only exists for Battle on five fans.

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If you are being like I want
to check out babb Lah and fine,

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and you start with this bad entry
point, this is a real bad

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entry point, don't do it.
First of all, it wouldn't even make

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sense, No, not in the
slightest, because it requires that you've been

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a fan of this for a long
time. Long time, Yeah, long

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time. It's fine. It's fine, Like, it's fine, it's fine,

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it's fine, it's adequate, it's
it's good that it exists, right,

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yes, I'm pretty mixed on it. I'm glad that j Michael Stristan's

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I'm glad that who Big Big Joe, Big Daddy Joe, Daddy, thank

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you, thank you so much.
We love you. Daddy, come to

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Daddy. Warner Brothers gave him money
to do this. It's weird, it

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doesn't make sense. I'm glad that
it exists, and I'm never probably never

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gonna watch it again unless I get
unless I get a huge windfall of cash

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that allows me to just complete my
the entirety of my Blu Ray four K

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collection, which case I will be
like, finally, let's acquire all of

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it. Yeah, yeah, I
have to get all of it. I

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got into it. I got to
this franchise not even a year ago.

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I've already bought the five diss DVD
of all the movies. Yes, the

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movies, Yes, the movies about
all of Crusade. Yeah, I bought

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this Crusade a TV show that definitely
exists. Yes, somehow I bought this

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on four K Blu Ray and uh
for my birthday. In a month,

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the complete series Blu rays is on
its way. Cannot cannot believe, cannot

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believe that the Babylon five Complete series, Blu Ray exists, Yeah, doesn't

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make doesn't make sense. But also
science fiction fans you just they'll will buy

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anything. Yeah, all right,
the Road Home. I appreciate you.

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I appreciate where you are with this
movie. I appreciate where you are with

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this movie because I'm pretty mixed on
this movie. It is a fun celebration

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of the franchise that sometimes feel like
it was run through a boomer Dad joke

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AI machine. Right, yeah,
yeah, even more so than some of

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like like you mentioned, the humor, it's a little big Daddy Joe ish.

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But yeah, but I love that
it exists. I think it's definitely

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helping to kickstart this ground swell of
new Babylon five fandom on the internet.

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It feels that way. I feel
like more people are writing about the show,

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talking about the show. It feels
like Babylon five is experiencing what Deep

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Space nine experienced a few years ago, which is DS nine. A perhaps

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it is my bias for Star Trek. Yeah, I find it to be

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a far better show. I love
DS nine, Yes, I love B

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five two. I love them both
equally in different ways. Yes, yeah,

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So, but it feels like right
now. You know, a few

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years ago there was this critical reevaluation
and audience reevaluation of like, oh,

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Deep Space nine is actually the best
star trek. Yeah, and we're going

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to celebrate it and we're gonna make
a documentary about it and all that.

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It feels like B five is getting
that attention now that DS nine guy so

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late, you know, after it
was gone from the airwaves. So that's

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interesting. Cool. Does that mean
like that habits to every sci fi show

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or maybe not? Right Personally,
I'm maybe not Time Time. I'm over

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here championing the Earth Too reboots Earth
Too, not Time Tracks. Not time

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Tracks. I think Time Tracks clearly
had its dang. I think I think

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the audience is there to bring back
tech war. Oh. I mean Shanner

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will definitely do it. Be down
for that. Yeah, put horses in

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it, you'll love Okay. This
movie is a mixed bag. It's a

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love letter to the fans. According
to Big Joe, I feel I do

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feel some of that love coming off
the screen when I watch this movie.

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Oh my god. Yeah yeah,
there's like, hey guys, here's a

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big worm hug for all you guys
who love this movie, which is great.

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The movie looks great. I think
it looks good, like Yeah,

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Warner Brothers animation rarely disappoints, and
this shit looks good. The voice cast

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is good. The return cast all
pretty much slide back into their roles with

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no problem, and even the replacements. Do you like him? I think

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everyone except for the voice replacement of
Garibaldi is good. Yeah, he's a

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low intense yeah. Well, and
also Jerry Doyle had such a specific let's

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not say a specific, he had
a Bruce Willis cadence, let's not let's

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not talk around it. Yeah,
because he's Bruce Willis that we have at

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home. He's he's, yeah,
the syndicated Bruce Willie. He really is

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the syndicated Bruce Willis. There is
just something really lovely about his Garabaldi and

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I feel like they didn't really capture
that and also difficult. But also then

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this is shocking, so perfect.
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into it. Yeah, always a
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do whatever. Two thousand and seven, they call him Bruce. We got

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a green screen and you know,
come on, come on, let's do

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the Lost Tails. He's like sure, and then of course he's gonna do

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this, and he slides right into
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track on this, it's big Joe
and Bruce just geeking out about all of

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their love for the franchise, talking
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day. So cute, so fun. I like it. It's delightful.

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So yeah, I really do appreciate
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feel this isn't a great movie.
No, because I think it is such

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a love letter to fans, which
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telling a compelling, relevant story.
That's the problem. Yeah, this is

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this feels like the Avengers End Game
for Babylon five. I like Avengers en

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and Game. I like m Enters
End Game two. I give it a

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robust three stars out of five.
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it's just that it's but I know
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in if this were immediately after the
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thing but it's it's not it's this
weird appendage. It feels way too fan

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service y. And then even the
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about, yeah, what is so
lovely about Big Joe's Big Joe's so good

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with with hanging home themes and making
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very rarely just being like, here's
fan service. Yeah, and then this

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is just fan service central. But
it does, you know, say that

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love transcends all dimensions, which you
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I like it. It's fine,
it's fine. Yeah, the fans

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are to see stuff like fine,
it's been a lot of years. Throw

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some of that in there, but
it just weighs it down. The boomer

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dad jokes, the meta jokes,
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doesn't add up too much. The
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goofy themed episodes of Marvel's What If
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with this really nice, lovely,
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love and family and friendship and Zathrai. So yeah, it feels like this

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movie is Big Joe. Big Joe
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have to do for the fans and
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successful, maybe I'll make more animated
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which I hope is gonna happen.
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thing looks great, the cast is
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of these, but with like new
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the end, one of a great
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world. At the end, we
stay in this alternative universe where we have

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Sheridan hanging out with Sinclair. We
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which is cool. We get Lockley
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these fun pairings of like Lanier with
Lita and the old classic of Jakar and

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Londo arguing, and it feels like
Season one, right, but season one

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with a bonus because everybody's there,
so it's like, oh, my favorite

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characters are back. I want to
see what happens now in this world.

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maybe with no shadow war What do
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that would be I'd be up for
that be interesting too with no shadow war.

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if this the function of this piece
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the road not taken and offering some
poignant what if I'm thinking about Sheridan and

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Londo and Evanava. Oh yeah,
I like that part. I truly adore

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that part. And the moon is
about to crash into the planet and it's

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a very that's big Joe firing on
all cylinders because I can feel him just

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loving to write this scene of them
drinking wine. Just get the exhaust at

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the end of the world. That
that feels like Babylon five. That feels

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like there's some excitement on the page. I mean, it doesn't feel like

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this is it never feels like this
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obligation. Just you're really excited to
play with your toys again. Yeah.

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I don't know what else there is
to say, so I'm not sure I

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would be excited to delve back into
it. But I don't think that Babylon

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five is it can be cleaned up
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for it to be remade, especially
if JMS is going to do it big

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Joe big Job. Sorry so so
sorry, mate, It's fine, It's

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fine, so sorry. Yeah,
I do think that there's room for improvement

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cleanups. What about a live action
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We'd rather have that, absolutely,
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other templates that you can riff on. And also I feel like it's so

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very much based on maybe this is
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possible, Mike, but all the
all the riffs out there on World War

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two warfare that was so in vogue
and science fiction stuff in the nineties and

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early two thousands, it could be
more updated to reflect our current times and

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forever wars and other yeah, other
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I watched the series now, so
much of it is relevant now that's true.

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Creeping, the creeping fascist, the
creeping fascism, the role of the

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media enabling the creeping fascism, Like
so much of it is just like,

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oh and I'm watching twenty twenty to
twenty twenty four now, but with lizard

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people cool, you know, uh, and with Londo's do you do Alando?

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Oh? Let me try they need
uh what what we do? Now?

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I'm just starting to sound like Adam
Sandler from the Hotel Transformania. I

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mean he's kind of a vampire tho, Yeah, he's kind of a vampire.

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Jake, got there? You go? Uh shedded? Then I'm gonna

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have to practice that. That's pretty
good. I'm gonna have to practice this

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in the car. Let me try. I haven't done it here we go,

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haven't done it in a while.
I want to fuck that. Whoa

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the girl who plays a lot of
vagina in Austin Powers That is her?

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Isn't it with my fourteen dicks?
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that's a really good londo. And
also, thank you for connecting that those

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two actresses are the same actress her. Thank you. I appreciate that.

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I'm gonna be able to sleep so
well tonight. Where do I know her

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from? That? I find her
so attractive? Oh, Austin Bauer.

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That's really good. That's a really
good londo. It's quite terrible. That's

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pretty good, Jekka, I think
you could travel with the convention circuit.

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You know what, how is that
if this podcast takes off, you never

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know, well, you never know. Some of the best bits of this

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this movie we talked about the the
Vorlon's sling shotting the moon and blowing up

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Earth, and and it's the only
scene we get really until the end with

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Peter Jurassic so fun, my favorite. Love seeing him reprise this role.

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With Claudia Christian Yes, and Bruce
box Lightner, really the three that are

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of the main cast that are still
with us. Great scene, have a

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scene together. I kind of wish
Jurassic was in it more because he's such

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such a fun guy to and you
can tell you he loves playing this role

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so fun. Londo's so great,
Yes, so that whole thing is fun.

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And Jay Big Joe who is who
tread Lightley Fred Lightley Mine Big Joe's

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fire and all cylinders in that scene
abbreviated scene but good. The sequence,

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I really like it. It didn't
feel so much like Babylon five, which

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is fine, it can be whatever
it wants. But the sequence square Sheridan

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jumps to the station and fights along
side Sinclair, very cool, Gary Baldy

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during the shadow attack. All that
hits all the fun like action movie beats,

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and it hits like the fan service
is done kind of in a fun

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way there because the two captains are
meeting and they're both like doing a diehard

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thing, which is fun. Those
scenes are really fun. The music is

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fun, it's tense, and then
you get that fun sequence where he has

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to hit the self destruct. But
it's like that scene in Galaxy Quest where

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it's just like the like there's this
room in the station that is is just

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ridiculous and he has to go like
sprint ten yards to get it done.

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Like that's really fun. There are
a bunch of boomer dad jokes in that

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sequence too. I kind of forgive
him more. It's a little cringey,

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but whatever. We like to see
our dad succeed. Yeah. Sometimes the

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scenes with Zathris, there's a lot
of Zathrs. There's a lot of zach

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Your mileage can vary on Zathris.
The more Zathris, the better, I

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think. How do you feel?
I enjoy Zathris very much. Yeah.

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Uhsathris always work for me. That's
it. I think that's the limit of

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my commentary regarding Zathrus. Do people
know like Xathris. I've heard he can

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be an acquired taste. That's wrong. The Zathris. They're wrong, Yeah,

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and I am right. Luckily you
are wrong. Uh yeah, I

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think Zathrus is really funny. I
really like the idea of a B five

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reboot universe in this animated form.
Yes, I kind of hope we get

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that. According to Big Joe,
he's been talking up the sales of this

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DVD have been great, so hopefully
they'll give him more. I mean,

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DC puts out a DC Comics movie
every two months, yeah, and they're

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all pretty fun, pretty good.
I don't see why they can't put one

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of these out every couple of years, right, Yeah, maybe at least

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two or three of them. It'd
be great if it was a series,

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because like a strength of the original
series is the long form story arcs,

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the long form character arcs. That's
different in the movie. So I do

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think this could. I think there
is a thirst for sophisticated animation. Yeah,

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and I feel like superheroes are gonna
have a big contraction. They're not

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going to be all the way out. And I think something like across the

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Spider Verse blew up in such a
mainstream audience way, and I think we're

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about to. I mean, anime
is starting to percolate. I don't think

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it's hit like mainstream status what yet, but I just I feel it in

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my bones that we're just we're about
to have it. And I think Netflix

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alone has released like a number of
anime shows or shows based on anime that

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are live action that have been pretty
much hits in the past couple of years.

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Yeah, and so I think there
if Warner Brothers really wanted to take

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advantage of that and invest in cultivating
a sophisticated animation brand, which they're not

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considering that it's being ran by David
Zaslov, who is very much just like

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we got to pinch our pennies,
but also make a bid to maybe buy

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Paramount. Yeah, okay, uh
is Star Trek in trouble? I've been

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staying away from this news because I
know, you know, Paramount Star Trek.

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Paramount is looking for a buyer.
It seems I don't. I don't

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think Warner Brothers is gonna be the
one that I was gonna say, by

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is it? I think we're weird
of Warner Buys. I feel like it

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would be Apple or Amazon more than
likely Amazon, because freaking Bezos bought Shatner

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to be on his Rocket, That's
right, So that's Bezos would want to

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have Star Trek. I love Shatner's
takeaway from going up into space. Yeah,

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it's like, Oh, we're existential. Dread and angst are real.

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That's pretty much what he said.
It feels the most humble that Shatner has

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because it's so easy for Shattner to
slip into his normal Shatner is, And

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it truly felt like something shook loose
in Shatner in a way that is unexpected

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for that guy. Yeah, very
true. What do you love about B

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five and how does that inform your
fandom today? What a great question.

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I love It's on a bash of
dorkiness. It is four dorks, it

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is by dorks, four dorks.
Big Joe is a big honkin dork and

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loves this thing with the entirety of
as being, and it is so it

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is. Babylon five is like the
West Wing in terms of like this is

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an extension of one. I mean, filmmaking is an extension of so many

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other people. And also Big Joe's
voice is running through the entirety of it.

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It never feels watered down. It's
all him, and it's so extremely

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the dorkiness. I say it in
such an endearing way because I'm a big

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honking dork and I ascribe a dorks
with loving things that are not necessarily in

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voge. But there is something that
is extremely endearing whenever you watch someone be

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so in love with something that you
don't necessarily understand, makes you kind of

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sit on the edge of your seat
and go, I kind of want to

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know what the heck's going on.
Yeah, that's what inspired me to read

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the book, to read his autobiography, like I want to know the story

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behind this, why this is so
passionately told? And obviously there wasn't a

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lot of support and money to make
this all those years. And I look

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at the Wikipedia, like this guy
wrote ninety nine percent of these episodes alone.

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Wow, that's a lot of work. That's hell, how did he

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do this and why? And the
autobiography tells that story in such great painful

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detail. But yeah, everything you're
saying is so true. The obsession and

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the love and the need to tell
these stories and talk through these characters is

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always there. And then you watch
the episode where they go forward like what

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a million years? Oh yeah,
and it's this is not someone that is

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doing this because he wants to have
a job. This is someone that is

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just like I love this with the
entirety, and I need to get this

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out in this way because I'm trying
it. I'm trying to say something,

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I'm trying to show something that is
so meaningful for me, and all of

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this is ultimately very small, but
big changes start with small actions. Batlan

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Flave does not work all the time. It certainly doesn't, and it is

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definitely for my more sophisticated palette at
this point in time of twenty twenty four.

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It can be an acquired taste,
and also if you are willing to

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invest the time do so and then
also bothered to do the context work of

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putting yourself in the shoes of someone
in nineteen ninety three nineteen ninety four,

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prior to when serialized storytelling really became
in vogue, and then processed that this

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00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:25.680
sophisticated treatise on surviving within creeping fascism
and fighting evil and standing up for your

406
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:35.039
values while also sometimes you look for
the holy grail. Sometimes it's shocking that

407
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.720
it existed the way that it did. It didn't feel like a cheap Star

408
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:46.920
Trek clone like so many shows attempted
sequest It didn't feel like it was just

409
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:51.480
capitalizing on science fiction because someone had
a sci fi pitch and they wanted to

410
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:58.240
work. It feels like it this
is a thing that for big joke,

411
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:05.119
it was going to exists no matter
what, and it did because the infrastructure

412
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:09.640
is certainly not there in the show
it has. The visual element has aged

413
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:16.319
so poorly. And also if you're
willing to buy, if you're much like

414
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.039
Pete Holmes in a magic show,
if you're willing to be in the front

415
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.920
row and you want to believe,
you sit there and you just go there

416
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.200
will be magic here, and then
you dig in. I identify with that

417
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:35.799
so much when watching this show,
Yes very much. Yeah, everything you

418
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.880
just said. You spoke my heart
about Babylon five. Thank you so much.

419
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.839
And then there's also Gary Cole on
Crusade, who's just like, I'm

420
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.599
a renneg Gae. Oh, I
don't know if you know this. I'm

421
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.319
the anti share it. I'm a
badass. Yeah, even though I'm a

422
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:58.119
captain, I don't care about it
anything. When I emailed you about Babylon

423
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.519
five, it's like, hey,
Kenny, do you like babel On five?

424
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.839
Your response was, I'm looking at
my Crusade DVD right now, So

425
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.840
are you more into Crusade than be
five. I'm I'm into the idea of

426
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:14.920
Crusade more because I just Babylon five
better show. Crusade not a great show,

427
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:21.760
but I'm just obsessed with these spin
offs that fail, which is Crusade,

428
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.840
and also the first season of Babylon
five that's kind of rough as well.

429
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.000
What about Legend of the Rangers?
That is certainly a thing that I've

430
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.719
watched and exists. What did I
let mean? I found that at half

431
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.800
priced books on DVD for seven ninety
nine. I said, this is too

432
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.239
much money for this, I will
take and I watched it for how for

433
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.440
how much? Seven ninety nine?
Let's let's let's look up at my Legend

434
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.639
of the Rangers ranking. Okay,
you have Babylon five rankings. I don't

435
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:59.119
have Babylon five rankings, but for
what I could log on letterbox. Yeah,

436
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.960
you're do in the letterbox very much. So I said, I don't

437
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.719
know why this one gets dunked on. I liked it. I think the

438
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.840
lead of this was way way better
than Box Lightner or Michael O'Hare. I

439
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.079
still would have preferred someone that wasn't
so whitebread. But it was on a

440
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.440
spaceship and they were talking about Star
Trek type stuff. I liked it fair.

441
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.280
I don't remember anything about it except
for the weapons room now where the

442
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:30.360
kick punch Laser Lady. The lady's
kick punching in the room seems you see

443
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.000
there. I mean, there are
so many things that about this franchise.

444
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.000
If you're watching it and somebody walks
in the room and doesn't know what's happening,

445
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:43.000
it's very embarrassing. Londo's hair,
Yeah, it's gonna be the Grandpa

446
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.760
Sampson meme where someone walks in and
then just immediately grabs our hat and walks

447
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:51.199
back out. Yes, Londo's hair, the kick punchy Laser Lady, a

448
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.440
lot of it, but we're willing
to suffer it. But like if you

449
00:35:54.519 --> 00:36:00.360
walk in with an open heart true, which is also one of my favorite

450
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.880
ways to just approach media in general, that's good, good intentions, and

451
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.679
then you can sour me later,
because I want to sit in the front

452
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.559
row and I want to like anything
that's put in front of me. You're

453
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.880
a good man, Yeah, unless
it's like Sound of Freedom or something like

454
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.480
that. Yeah, oh yeah,
no. Pro January sixth movies. You

455
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:23.280
don't like this the date itself?
Sure? Why not okay, events that

456
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:30.039
have happened on January sixth, No, not good? Nah? Nah?

457
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.119
What can I do to convince you
to watch this movie again again? Yeah?

458
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.000
How about that commentary track? Oh
that actually sounds great. I'd watch

459
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.480
the rest of the special features.
That would be delightful. Yeah. It

460
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.360
kind of just invite me over and
be like, we're gonna order some chicken

461
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.920
wings okay, yeah? Yeah?
Yeah? What what flavor you like?

462
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.800
Like? A dry rub? Yeah, lemon pepper cool is good, something

463
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.719
that's not very saucy, which I
mean you purchase chicken wings. I guess

464
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.360
the expectation is that so not the
boneless wings they have now Waterburger would like

465
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.559
boneless wings. I love boneless wings
because I want my food journey to be

466
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.280
to have as little effort as possible. Yeah, exactly, we can do

467
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.599
that. Yeah, we can do
that. It would it wouldn't be hard

468
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.840
because I like movies. What can
I do to convince you to be on

469
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.800
this podcast again? Literally, just
shoot me another email, okay message or

470
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.760
just ask me right now and being
like when are we scheduling your next episode?

471
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.039
Excellent? Excellent? So before I
get into because you have questions about

472
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.239
this podcast and I'm sure some people
listening do as well. It's new.

473
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:40.639
Before we get into that, I
want to ask you about your things excellent.

474
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.840
Yeah, I loved Mike love talking
about myself baby. Yeah, because

475
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:52.880
I love the trek Wars podcast.
It's fucking hilarious and great and you're one

476
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:59.159
of the only people I knows watch
all of the e Walks TV series cartoon

477
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.679
series, which I love. So
tell me about that and what you're doing

478
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.719
there now. And for people in
Austin and maybe outside of Austin, where

479
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.239
else can we find you doing your
thing? Okay, donky So Trek Wars

480
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.239
Podcast it's the one podcast that dares
to answer the question, the ultimate question

481
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.760
fandom, which is better Star Treker
Star Wars by going through both franchises in

482
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.960
chronological release order, you know,
the way that it was intended, But

483
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.159
really we use that just as kind
of a springboard for myself and my co

484
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.960
host asked in webster to talk about
our favorite franchises and how we feel about

485
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.559
these episodes politically, sociologically, what
the heck you're trying to say? What

486
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.519
the creators are trying to say?
A great man narratives, I'd like to

487
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:47.000
have big high falutant conversations with these
with these silly little properties, because Star

488
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.599
Trek and Star Wars can certainly be
very very silly, Asho alluded to.

489
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:57.880
We have just we have just wrapped
up e Woks. I'm very thrilled by

490
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.920
because it's my first time through Ewok's
androids. I've got a lot more.

491
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.039
I'm the Star Trek contingent, Aspen
my co host, is the Star Wars

492
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.599
contingent. They are so much more
in the Star Wars camp and we're just

493
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:19.639
about to start the We're gonna basically
repilot by going back into the Special Editions,

494
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.960
okay, which I'm very excited about. And also there's just a lot

495
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:28.800
to talk about in terms of where
George Lucas is in his journey back to

496
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.599
Star Wars, the Star Wars experience. That's right, because Special Editions came

497
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.360
out before the prequels. Yes,
yeah, yeah, Okay, January February

498
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.159
March of nineteen ninety seven. That's
what got Star Wars back on top box

499
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.199
office wise, and there's this big
ground swell of everyone loves Star Wars again

500
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.880
after a real dry period for a
very long time, and it's all of

501
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.559
these small steps building up to the
fever pitch that is episode one. Then

502
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.639
after that we delve into Clone Wars
territory, and then coinciding with that,

503
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.159
we are wrapping up season two.
Well are we about halfway through season two

504
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:10.159
of TOOS? Yeah? Which is
that's aldso interesting because I'm diving into I'm

505
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.239
researching the behind the scenes stuff more
than I have ever before, which is

506
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.360
shocking. You have a lot of
information in this podcast, I really do.

507
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.639
I try to make it dense,
and I try to as opposed to

508
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.360
I think other podcasts where just be
like, that's pretty neat. Did you

509
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:31.880
know that Kirk? Where's the two
pain? More? Just trying to be

510
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.840
like, what do you think?
Do you know? Did you know he

511
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.400
was on the Twilight set? What? Yeah? Sorry? What? Yeah?

512
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.400
Just one episode? I think,
but yeah he's on the what Shatner?

513
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.239
Not Kirk Hner? Who Shanner?
H? What else are you saying

514
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:50.679
about your podcast? Uh? Really
just trying to be like what are these

515
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.800
folks trying to say? And how
do these statements resonate with us at this

516
00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.880
point in time? Well? Also, you know, doing funny bits because

517
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.280
my co host is one of my
favorite people to talk with on the planet

518
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.920
period. I can tell it's very
fun period. Uh. I was just

519
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:16.039
listening to the Motion Picture Versus episode
one episode on my way here because I

520
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.239
listened to my own podcast, uh, and I think that's a fab,

521
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.320
fab episode. If you're looking to
get started, that's trek warspod dot com

522
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:31.360
or available wherever you get your podcasts
on the podcature of your choice, or

523
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.480
you know, if you just love
the dulcin tones of this voice, watch

524
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.000
you just go ahead and skip to
the end. Go support us on Patreon,

525
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.880
Patreon dot com, slash track worse
pod, get early episodes, get

526
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.760
extended episodes, do it? What
about your improv and your comedy? Oh

527
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.280
boy? What what am I?
What do I go see? When do

528
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.920
I go see it? Excellent Mike, excellent questions, excellent questions. All

529
00:41:54.079 --> 00:42:00.280
my comedy duo Kenny Rogers. I'm
Kenny. I perform with partner Heidi Rogers.

530
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:07.559
We just wrapped up eight shows over
at Cold Town Theater. We're about

531
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:13.440
to We've got another show on I
don't know whenever this episode comes out.

532
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.239
We've got another show of February tenth, and then we've got to do another

533
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:22.679
show in San Antonio. Always doing
stuff I just helped fabulous actor Gloria rabel

534
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.239
I directed her in a one woman
show that just won Best of Week at

535
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:34.800
front Terrafest. Hell yeah, it's
so why I mean, I'm biased,

536
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.400
but even though I was just like, this is a really good show,

537
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.039
I was blown away by it.
It's called What's Next Worst. We're looking

538
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.519
to do that show more times.
And then you know, I guessed on

539
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.440
a whole bunch of other podcasts.
I'm out there. You just put the

540
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.920
name Kenny Madison into a podcast catcher
of your choice and you can find me

541
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.119
and Gavin Way about something. Yeah, I have to call you a big

542
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.760
Kenny. Yeah, please is Biginny? Please? Mike, please lease,

543
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.039
Big Kenny? Oh? And I
teach improv on on Sundays. Do you

544
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.960
teach improv? I teach improv?
Do you? Yes? Is it here

545
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.079
where you teach nearby? I have
taught at the I teach for the theater

546
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.559
that owns the space here in this
complex, right okay? Right on?

547
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.400
Okay? Cool? Yeah, because
I drive by it every day. All

548
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.719
right, So you asked me earlier. I'm not sure if it was on

549
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.079
the pod maybe before it was literally
right before. Yeah, and then I

550
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.400
as you were talking about it.
I remember the email because you asked me

551
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.159
what movies do I want to cover? Yes, yes, yes, and

552
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.519
then I think I fly some fly
some juicy ones. Okay, good,

553
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.920
yeah, good, So you got
to schedule those. Yeah, we'll be

554
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:45.320
back. So Intergalactic is a podcast
about the greatest sci fi TV and movies

555
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:51.559
of all time, according to this
guy pointing to myself. And we have

556
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.280
a couple of different series. This
is a Babbylon five one obviously, and

557
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:59.960
then there's Essential sci Fi Movies where
I get a guest on we talked about

558
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.800
great sci fi movie. Then there's
sci fi B sides where we talking about

559
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.840
trash like I'm not sure if I
invited you on that one yet, which

560
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:13.440
I should. So what have we
covered on sci fi B sides? We've

561
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.159
covered Space Truckers, that movie that
is a movie that definitely exists. Yeah,

562
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:21.639
Donnis Hopper, Yeah it does Hopper. That was fun. Cleopatra twenty

563
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.480
five, twenty five, Oh boy, Yeah, whoa, it's a good

564
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:30.360
one. That's Sweet eleven thirty five
PM. Sweet spots. Yeah, late

565
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.559
late night. We have to put
on something because we got to get that

566
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:36.840
revenue. You got to get the
add gotta feel the time, fill the

567
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:43.159
air time. And then most recently
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda ooh yeah, and all

568
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.519
this stuff I don't approach it.
I approach it with some cynicism, which

569
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.800
some like, oh this is not
good, but I always end up loving

570
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.159
this stuff. Like I've never really
seen much of Andromeda, and I was

571
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:57.519
like, fuck this, this is
fun Andromeda. I just found this out

572
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.760
with the past two years or so, Like they picked Robert Hewitt Wolf was

573
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:06.679
who was one of like the good
writers DS nine, and he went to

574
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.400
go show run that you can tell
like he's he's really trying to imbue it

575
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.199
with some soul the whole time.
And then you have Kevin Sorbel just sucking

576
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.719
the soul out and it's an interesting
dynamic to watch play out in this show.

577
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.119
I can imagine, yeah, I
can imagine that dude trying to throw

578
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.119
his weight around and being like I'm
Hercules, yes, don't you know.

579
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.679
Yeah. Hewett Wolf just left the
show because of the ego, so it's

580
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.800
unfortunate. That's unfortunate. And then
the other series I'm doing with my buddy

581
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:39.119
Clyde is a Central Stargate where we
go through like some of the most essential

582
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:45.400
episodes of the Stargate franchise. So
I'm I'm not huge a huge Stargate fan.

583
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.920
He is. So he's getting me
more into it and I'm enjoying it.

584
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.119
It's fun. Yeah, it's a
good time. Stargate is a huge

585
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.800
blind spot for me. But I
live with my buddy, Tyler Brice for

586
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.280
five years and change, and boy, oh boy, that guy love Star

587
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.360
game. He gets into the gate. He's a gator. Yeah, yeah,

588
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.719
alligator. Yeah that's right, craug
Dow Tyler Brice. Sorry, I

589
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:13.239
forgot to mention. He was my
pet alligator. I lived with an alligator.

590
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:15.199
Yeah. And when you left today
he said, see you later,

591
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.039
alligator. I don't get it,
Mike, I don't later, Gator.

592
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.199
I don't cool. Can you just
walk me? Nah? Okay, yeah,

593
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:29.079
moving on, all right, all
right? Four Essential Babylon five.

594
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:34.320
I do have some more topics to
cover. I do want to hit on

595
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.760
some of the best season one episodes, and Season one can be a little

596
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.920
dodgy, as we talked about,
but there's some good ones. So I

597
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.280
would love to invite you on back
for some of that. Yes, and

598
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.800
let's talk about some movies too.
And whatever you can do. Kenny,

599
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.719
love to have you. Okay,
if you're ever talking Matrix's directions, I'm

600
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:52.639
your guy. Ooh do you like
that? Not only do I like it?

601
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.599
Yeah? Yeah? I love it? Yeah yeah. And I think

602
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.559
it is a stone cold masterpiece.
It's good. He's not just good.

603
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.679
I think it. I think it
is a masterpiece. It's it's it's weird.

604
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.559
Yeah, talking about things that are
weird to exist, that's one of

605
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:10.480
them. Yes, especially considering that
streaming collapse like six months later. Was

606
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.440
it because of this movie? Maybe? No, because of the Matrix movie.

607
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:20.559
I think it's because Netflix posted one
profit one quarter profit loss and then

608
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:25.039
suddenly they were like, ah,
because all of it is imaginary, very

609
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:29.880
true. So yeah, by physical
media maybe yeah? Okay, cool,

610
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.280
all right, Kenny? Do you
want people to follow you on social were

611
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.599
still follow me most on letterboxed?
That seems to be where I'm most active.

612
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:44.119
Uh, just look the Kenny Madison
on letterbox And additionally, trek Wars

613
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:51.079
has a blue Sky so look up
trek Wars on Blue Sky. Follow trek

614
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:58.000
Wars, subscribe to trek Wars,
follow this pod on Instagram and threads Intergalactic

615
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.519
Pod at Intergalactic Pod sub to the
pod everywhere. You can find all those

616
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:10.039
links intergalacticpod dot co. I just
launched a separate feed for the Babylon five

617
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.480
stuff that you can find as well, so you can search for a central

618
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.079
Babylon five and whatever podcatcher and all
the Babylon five stuff will come up.

619
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:22.519
If that's all you want to listen
to, and find me on Insta and

620
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:30.400
threads at Mike Moody Garcia. Thanks
for listening. Yeah, this is the

621
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.599
year is twenty twenty four. Oh
god. Yes, the name of the

622
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.920
podcast is Intergalactic and this is a
Babylon Essential Babylon five. There you go,

623
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:43.679
right, Yeah, so many of
the Babylon five podcasts start off that

624
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.920
way. Bat I was like,
no, I'm not going to do you

625
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.920
can't do it. No, you
just said it. Sorry you did at

626
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.960
the end though. Yeah, so
you fucked it up. Yeah in a

627
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:52.320
good way. I ruined your podcast. No, No, No, When

628
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.159
I say fucked it up, I
mean like you got in there and you

629
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.159
fucked it good, you know,
yeah, like Londo fuck that lady.

630
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:00.960
Yeah, like we talked about earlier. All right, I'm gonna stop to

631
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:12.519
recording. That makes sense lower ho