Destroy Malevolence vs. And the Children Shall Lead

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the Internet's exclusive outlet to answer the one

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question, the most important question in
fandom, Which is better Star Wars or

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Star Trek? I am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent with me as

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for always is the co host with
the male host? It's me? Asked

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in Webster, what is mo host? What is that you are the most

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Yeah host mo mo most co hosts
most co host mo host most so yeah,

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because you can't like, you can't
portmanteau it because it was just most

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co host most. It would just
become mightbe a coast coast. No,

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you can't be a coast because this
is far too close to ghost, which

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is what we are talking about today. What as we discuss in the children's

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shower? My god, this is
like did I watch the wrong episode?

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Negative from Star Trek the original series
using three versus destroy molevelence the end of

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the three part the levelens are on
Star Wars the clone Wars. How are

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we doing today, Pecha Kine,
I'm great, I'm sorry, I promise

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I'll stop yawning. It has nothing
to do with you or how interested I

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am in any of these things.
It just has to do with fact that

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I didn't get ten hours sleep like
some people, Aspen is referring to me,

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where I am now starting to get
a solid ten hours of sleep every

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night, which I'm not jealous.
I love this for you. I love

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everything about this path for you.
Just just a little sleepy, doesn't you?

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Sleepy baby? Just I've been having
some extremely foul sleep habits recently and

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it is so good. Yeah,
that's good consistent sleep habits. But you

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know who's not falling asleep during this
podcast? Do Flony? No? Our

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listeners? Oh what if you were
listening? He's got his little hat on

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and he's just like, I really
love this podcast. I help, So

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just do Filoney must like Star Trek. I'm sure he does, because he

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just seems like a guy who likes
things. He's just yeah, he's a

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dude who just seems lovely, just
seems to like creative stuff stuff. You

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know, I dictated, I was
I've been watching a bunch of the futurettes,

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so now I know where you get
all your information from, dah,

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I know where your secrets lie.
I was like rewatching them. I was

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just like, well, wait a
second, that's where Katy got all this

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information, all of it, so
I took notes on the FUTURETTE so I

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could get to them first. Thank
you. And what I've learned about Dave

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Filoni is that he just seems like
the sweetest man with the sweetest little hat

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who He and his brother seemed to
really get along, and they loved Star

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Wars when they were young. His
brother he talks about. We talked about

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his brother a few man. We'll
get into it when we talk about some

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background and fun stuff. Because what
did I do? I hated reason and

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by research, I mean I watched
to beat urette correspondence. I was like,

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wait, sorry, what was the
where? Where are we at?

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Got as soft Jack got really excited. We have some correspondence from some listeners.

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Oh beautiful Arizona. Mark from the
Patreon Yes, yes, sir.

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In term speaking of loving things Mark
in our shadow of Malevolence versus the Paradise

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Syndrome, I believe our pre show
chat. Mark loved The Fall Guy and

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very bummed it didn't do well in
its opening weekend. Parentheses have seen the

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movie twice now nice. Yeah,
Mark's really good at seeing movies. Mark

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is extremely good at seeing movies.
I'm following him on social media, and

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he's watching all of the Spider Man
movies on spider Mondays and that has been

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fun, even though he did have
to watch the abysmal amazing Spider Man two,

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truly a bad movie. Also,
Mark writes in the Star Wars the

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Clone Wars film versus the Sign Earth
episode that Mark did not realize that he

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was older than me. Kenny.
Oh, yeah, Robust thirty five years

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old. Yeah, and finally from
Arizona, Mark, he writes, Now,

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I'm wondering if Kenny listens to any
of my podcasts. Uh. Oh,

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Austin. Aaron writes it. I
do listen, but only occasionally because

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I'm so far behind in my podcasts. Uh, Austin, Aaron writes us

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in via email, via email,
via email, I love it when people

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send us emails. People can write
us emails, of course, at trek

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Worspot at gmail dot com, and
the subject line is art is a binary

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but not a one to one mapping
Okay, of coursepondence begins. Hey Rogster,

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I'm certain that Aaron has gotten my
last name wrong. No, it's

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confusing me with my duo Kenny Rogers. Yes, your girlfriend's last name which

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is actually kind of cute. Like
I guess Rod. So Rochester is my

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couple name with Heidi. Yes,
that's right, which is unfortunate because they

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call me Kenny Rogers. So what
does that make Heidi? Hi? Nope,

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definitely not your last name. You're
mad, just Heidi just like Mononymno.

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Yeah, now we'll stop giving you
shit. It's cute, Thank you,

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Aaron, It's very cute. Hey, Rochester. First, I'm sending

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good vibes, and reverse is in
polarity to heal Askpen of her coronal infections.

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So nice, so nice, I
am healed. He did it.

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That's why I got better so fast. Do you remember how there was a

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Moncalamari Jedi apprentice in the Jedi Academy
books named still Hall, and that she

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was great at healing, using the
Force and sending her too. It's a

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deep cut. I didn't know that
we might have to have Austin Aaron on

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the podcast in order to talk about
literature one like the only kind of young

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Ling's like Jedi pad ones. I
know ever gonna come from Clone Wars,

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like any of these properties specifically,
and there are if there's gonna be some

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episodes where it's like very specifically,
it's like how we find the kyber crystals,

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you know, how we build our
lightsabers and stuff, which is very

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cool. But now I'm not familiar
with that one. I love them on

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Colin Laurie, but the letter goes
on still. Oh so sorry. Second,

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I'm noticing that you were comparing single
episodes of Clone Wars to single TOOS

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episodes. This feels unfair. Maybe
you could review each series per story,

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as Clone Wars often does two or
three episode of arcs and that's closer to

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the forty four minute runtime of TOOS. Interesting disagree? Oh you think so?

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I mean, obviously I'm going to
disagree because it should be one to

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one episode. And you know,
if they wanted the story to be a

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different way, we could have made
it longer. But instead George Lucas because

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he commissioned the one hundred episodes to
do it true, so he made them

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twenty two minutes long, or as
they are I think on streaming or the

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Blu rays, which are they own
own. They have director's additions that are

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longer and have more scenes. Ah, you know, I'm I'm interested in

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it is. It's fascinating because i
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a note that you said, which
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talk about, maybe in terms of
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episodes. I mean, I'm certain
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setting and the complexities will come as
the seasons progress. Yeah, I mean

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there's definitely going to be and I
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mean there's plenty of just like fun
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no, I mean we have a
fun structure. Think of this notion.

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Do you agree with Austin and Aaron? I no, no, I

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mean we listen. I understand the
notion because I think and Austin Aaron can

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write back in track words pot at
gmail dot com just to litigate it.

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Sure that it's story versus story,
right, because the Malevolence three parter is

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one one story, even though it's
not. It's three stories with three different

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protagonists. Yeah, but it's it's
the Malevolence arc versus I'm assuming and the

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Children Shall Leave, which is of
course a perfect episode of Starshik. Yeah.

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Famously, famously famously, everybody,
did you know? I started watching

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it knowing nothing about what people thought
about it and the children child yep,

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and also also Spock's brain both of
those episodes. I was just like,

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deep, deep, deep. Actually
it might not be true about Fox Brein.

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Maybe I didn't know, but this
one I for shortened anyways. Uh,

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the final piece of correspondence finally,
who had winted a battle of wits?

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R t D two or Commanders Spock. That is a really good battle.

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It's a good battle. It is
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the kind of wit because R two's
wit is very uh, little stinker,

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he's like gonna like his his wit
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less witty and more just like he's
swearing a lot at you and telling you

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that, like your mom is full
of shit kind of thing. R two

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has it in him to quit.
Spock does not. Depending on the situation.

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R two could hear me out here
we go, just release a bunch

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of oil and then lights fuck on
fire, there we go. I think

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that could answer that question, because
Spock would lit by a code of honor,

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our two plays to win. So
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Glad clones count as real people,
but definitely not for any particular reason related

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to myself. Kostin Aaron that seems
ominous. Oh dude, that's great.

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I want more of that. No, pardon me, is like, I

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yeah, I do. I do
appreciate the sentiment, but seems like extra

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work. That's true, put in
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Now, yeah, they're their own
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the beginning, and it's been like, well listen, I mean sometimes it

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doesn't quite make sense, and it's
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work because it's like, what was
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released as such, and it was
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maybe the difference is we did not
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that would have just been unreal to
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forty minutes. I would have done
it, but also would that be good?

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Well, and also no, it
wouldn't have And also I think we

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did it, but I think it
also that one had been released like that

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way. So also, you know, we got to start Clone Wars season

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one and season three of TOS at
the same time. That has been because

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the trajectories of both shows are going
in very interesting places. Yeah, speaking

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of very interesting places for those that
are playing the home game. Yeah,

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yeah, Joel, Just be clear, people who have not seen these episodes

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and are therefore therefore are just,
by this definition, sitting at home.

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Yeah, not doing the work,
trying to put their index fingers together,

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and just kind of missing every single
time. Oh my gosh. Okay,

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yes, let's do some let's do
some summaries. Here we go. So

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Clone Wars Star Wars, Clone Wars
Destroy Malevolences fourth episode was released October seventeenth,

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two thousand and eight. What were
you doing October seventeenth, two thousand

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and eight, Kenny, October seventeen, two thousand and eight. Honestly,

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yeah, I might have been starting
my improv career. Wow, your career

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cool? Yeah? What else do
you call it? Fun time? Because

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I take it very seriously. Okay, Oh I did improvd New York once,

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New York City. Hey, oh
forty fifth and eighth, get a

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slice, Go take the water,
Oh, go find the Hudson. Hey,

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Hey, rat seagull the high Line, A rat on the high Line.

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Hipsters in park Slope. I saw
Diane Keaton in Central Park. Whoa

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wa wow? So you're a professional
professional oct you Weber seventeenth, two thousand

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and eight. What right before the
election that Obama won for the first time,

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remember that a time sorry, just
a isn't aside. Sorry, I

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realized we're about to do important stuff. Don't cut this is important. So

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last night, for like the eighth
or ninth timeh eighth or ninth time,

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I saw my favorite band, the
Decembrists, and I love them. We

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saw them at Bass Concert Hall,
and I was reminded they always like come

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back, they're encorees are always like
a twenty minute song, like they have

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a few that go for a long
time, or they like kind of drag

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it out and it's wonderful. They
played a new song this time, and

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it reminded me that in the one
time I saw them in like two thousand

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and eight, two thousand and nine, the very end they pulled out a

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cardboard cut out in Obama. But
at the time, right, it was

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just like so exciting and so overwhelming. So you've like just been elected and

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we were so happy, And that's
what I was saying about last night.

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Remember that October seventeenth, two thousand
and eight, It was when this episode

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was don't you dare cut that?
Okay, okay, it's important contacts,

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important contexts, right, okay.
Writer Steven Meltching. Director is Brian Callen.

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Brian Kallan O'Connell is the director.
Here are those guys. It's one

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man. Brian Kallan O'Connell. Uh. Stephen Melshan is just kind of part

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of the Clone Wars brain trust and
the directors just I'm assuming just that animation

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guy. What he's a guy,
Just a guy, Just a guy.

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Anyways, Sorry, they're just guys, just guys. Listen, They're just

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guys. Here's the official description.
Padme Almidala, that's right, my girl

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and C three Po are taken hostage
by General Grievous Leaven. I know right,

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they were tricked, tricked. She
was told a lot, and she

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never once thought I wonder if Palpatine's
fucking with me? Leaving Anakin and obi

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Wan and Ahsoka to save the Senator
and complete the destruction of the Malevolence,

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I mean she does, It's fine, and again at obi Wan chased down

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the Malevolence, hoping to destroy it
before it can escape. But when Padme

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and c Thropo are captured and held
hostage aboard the Jedda are forced to hatch

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a new plan. Yay, that's
what happens. It's actually great speaking of

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what happens, and the Children Shall
Lead. Written by Edward J. Laxo,

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a first time Star Trek writer,
and directed by Marvin Chomsky, a

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first time Star Trek director. Oh
From NBC press release issued September tenth,

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nineteen sixty eight. Children appearing unconcerned
at the death of their parents, are

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beamed aboard the USS Enterprise and began
taking over the minds of the crew as

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Captain Kirk, Mister Spock, and
doctor McCoy attempt to battle an unseen force.

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On nbctv's Star Trek apsos In The
Children Shah Lead Friday, October eleventh,

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Melvin Belly, the prominent lawyer,
making his acting debut as Gorgan,

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joins guest stars Craig Huntley and James
Wellman, who portrayed children of the deceased

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adult colony on the planet Triacus and
plotting to take over the universe. Gorgan

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appears only when summoned by the mysterious
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control over their minds. Now Aspen, I see you doing the patent Aspen

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had tilt. Melvin Belli is not
an actor. He's a lawyer. Famously

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was called and had a letter written
to him by the Zodiac Killer. What

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the fuck, my dear? They
specifically referend. In the film Zodiac they

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specifically reference Melvin Belly's episode of Star
Trek. I know this is how I

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found this out. Yea. That
is Brian Coxy played him and like the

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film, yes, as a better
actor than Melvin Belli. Yeah, I

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can tell you that. I was. I saw that when like looking him

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up, or I saw that in
the trivia or something like that, and

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I was like, why is this
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it's because, oh no, he's
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episode. So there's a lot of
So that is a one degree of separation,

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two degrees of separation between Martin Belly
and Ted Cruz. That is absolutely

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correct. It's really wild. There's
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I kind of went down like a
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who originally played a nephew that earlier
episode where we see his family operation

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annihilate. Yeah, but now then
he went on to become like music department

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guy and like a composer, and
that's just very lovely for him. Yes,

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not not only that, but reading
he's the Voyages Tos Season three by

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Mark Cushman. Oh, is that
a book that you read it? Yes,

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it's a book that I read.
Are you okay? I'm okay.

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Are you having a good time reading
that book? I really am. Are

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you you need to talk to someone? No. Craig Huxley, or rather

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Craig Hundley oh right, was a
music prodigy. There is a photo of

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his the Crag Hundlely Trio album that
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He had a jazz trio at the
age that he filmed and the Children Shallly.

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He was a honest to god piano
prodigy, reading several reviews that are

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cited here in this book talking about
him him as being like an incredible virtual

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also piano player. The only thing
that's missing is like emotion behind it,

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because he's mechanically perfect, but he
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the emotional life behind it. So
like that's that's so, that's so wild.

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Yeah. Also, he acted on
Star Trek twice. How Wild also

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was an in demand child actor as
well an in demand child Yeah, you

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know what, he was great.
I would say the kids in this episode

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great, Yeah, I thought they
were. Do you know who wasn't great

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in this episode? Uh Melvioyne Belly
and also William Shatton kind of yeah.

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You can't say that Shatner is not
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I mean we'll get into it.
One of these episodes was fun and good,

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and one of these episodes was not
fun and good. Yeah, say

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primary primary takeaway on this one.
And as we've reached the the last episode

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of the Malevolents arc, what yeah, a great arc? What a good

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arc, filled with interesting character moments, a lot of good child acting.

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Just kidding, there's no child actors
in this episode. There's just a person,

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an adult playing a child. Thank
you, Ashley Exstein. And also,

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I guess at this point NBC three
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Yeah, you are correct, Yeah, clones, there's a lot of

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children, I mean talking about the
children will late am I right? Am?

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I right? Wowow wow. So
you're saying that you like to destroy

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the levelence. I love to destroy
my levelence. I loved it, like

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I'm telling you, and the ways
that I found and the children will lead

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to be boring and strange and filling
time in a way that made no sense

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to me, and strange like idiot
ball passing just like the weirdest stuff in

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the way, and all the ways
that I found it that I found destroy

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malevolence to be. It's doing that
thing where it like very specifically like when

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people talk about being like oh yeah, Clone Wars makes the prequels better,

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it's taking like quotes from the prequels
or little things that you know about them

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and then making everything that much better. Ye. There's even like there's a

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nod to the like you know,
like you know, the the quote that

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everybody makes fun of, like when
Anakin is like a little baby and Phantom

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Menacing gets into the Naboo Fighter and
it's like, I'll try spinning. That's

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a neat trick. Good trick.
That's a good trick. Like literally there's

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a line in this episode like yeah, he's like spinning is not flying,

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Like like he starts, he spins
it, Anakin spins it, and Obi

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Wan's like spinning is not flying,
and it's like but it's a good trick

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and you're like, you just took
the thing that is like kind of universally

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made fun of, right, and
he just turned it into like sweet ass

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exchange. And it does that the
entire episode. It I think it delivers

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on the promise. This episode delivers
on the promise that I think we thought

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we were gonna get with the prequels, which is more Star Wars type of

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adventures. Seeing anagain obi Wan and
Padme. We have our kind of Star

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Wars triumprint of Luke on a lea
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Yeah, just hanging out. Yeah, and they're having spaces but they're having

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Star Wars type adventures and they blow
up the or they help destroy the Malevolence.

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There's even a better version of the
Droid Factory bit and Attack of the

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Clones, but this time it's with
trains and trains make everything better. Love

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you know what else loves trains And
Dave Filoni's brother, who is Dave Feloni's

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brother, who knows, I don't
know, you don't know. Definitely,

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he just sometimes talks about his brother
as if he has any role to play

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this, and I think that's nice. If I had a brother, I

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guess i'd talk about him. I'd
be like my brother bikes Shark Week and

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Blood in the Water, and this
is an episode I made where sharks.

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That's what I do. I wear
a hat, just dream. Malevolence feels

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like a classic Star Wars adventure,
which is wild. Yeah, it just

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feels. It feels like Star Wars
and it's fun. There's jumping, they're

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spending general gravous is there. There's
fancy flying. I don't know what you

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want from me. I want so
much more. Yeah, I need you

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to tell me more. I'm sure
that we'll get there in the deep dissection.

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I don't know. It's fairly simplistic
in terms of what the heck that

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it's doing. But I'm sure that
whenever we sit down and dig out with

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the politics of this are we'll find
out huh interesting. I truly have well,

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huh I have. I truly have
no political viewpoints on this or what

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this episode is trying to say outside
of let's just have a good rip rowing

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adventure because we're still setting the palette. I think that's true. I think

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that. Yeah. I think you're
right. We're not quite We're still we're

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yeah, we're still in there's a
battle going on. To be fair,

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At this point, society has been
revocably burned by the prequels. Mm hmm,

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all right. They have been declared
by America the worst movies ever come.

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George Lucas has ruined their childhood my
former potent language. Yeah, and

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so Filonia team and George Lucas,
I have to have to do damage control.

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Yea. They have to do a
lot in damage control. And they

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do it quite well. Yeah,
quite well, Yeah they do. They

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get you back into it. We
got commitment to the thing we're doing a

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lot of I think, what the
it's place setting. You're absolutely right,

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it's like we're regaining trust doing you
know, things that feel reminiscent. There's,

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man, look at me watching a
futurette. They call the fact that

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a lot of you know, the
the Star Wars films, and in a

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very like picturesque way where you have
a scene of you know, folks maybe

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standing in a group together, you
know, got like a view and that's

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how these episodes have ended. And
the end of this episode is literally the

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group of them pad may Obi wan
Anakin n C three PO and R two

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D two in the ship, I
go on the bridge of that ship,

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and that's like your last sort of
shot, which is very deeply. It's

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it's definitely doing some heavy lifting to
saying to you as a viewers, giving

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you the visual cue, it's like, this is a Star Wars. This

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is it, this is a Star
Wars. You are good, We got

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you, didn't You just have the
most fun. Well, now that you

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bring that up, because clearly you
watched the same feature that I did.

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You cannot take this from me.
Some of us watch five minute videos too,

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because there's just not that much.
I mean, if there was a

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clone Wars companion, I would go
buy it and be like, did you

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know this? Did you know this? Did you like? Oh? Probably

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not. I will tell you the
way that I found out about it was

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Joel, my sweet, sweet partner. He came out and he goes asked

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me, do you know about the
folony Zone? And I was like,

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what do you mean? What are
you saying to me? And he wouldn't

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explain. He was just like google
it, and I'm like, so I'm

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trying to google felony zone and nothing
is coming up and it becomes clear that

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he's talking about these features. I
was just like, Okay, I guess

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it's I don't know if it's like
an official name or if someone just called

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it the Felony Zone, but I
do like it being called the Folony Zone

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zone. It's easy. Dreats.
Yeah, who calls it that? I

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don't know, but isn't that a
fun day? We can call it that

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emertionally call it the Felony Zone,
just to make it wrung a little felony

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Z. Yeah, no, no, no, I get you. Yeah,

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yeah, now that you're thinking about
that, because pointing all the fingers

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and being like, look, Star
Wars Aesthetics yes, and I bent over

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backwards in our Star Wars Special Edition
episodes and reminding folks during the prequel episodes

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is that George Lucas wanted to do
the original Star Wars because he wanted to

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participate in aesthetics sure, melding all
of his favorite things into something so he

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could play that and then back into
a story that happened to work. And

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now Dave Folony is doing the same
thing that George was doing with his influences.

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The difference here now is that Folony
is taking his influences, which are

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Star Wars and synthesizing it into a
new thing that is Star Wars. Kenny,

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he and his brother used to star. Who is his brother? You

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keep talking about this brother. You
don't give him a name. I don't

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think he has a brother. When
he was talking about the y wing design

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and how they all got so excited
when they're the y wing, because wing

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wing, the y wing that you
know, they're the because wing, the

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why because wing the pork and Nolos
dose wing is is in a new hope.

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But it's just far more beat up
because you can assume that they are

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were used in the Clone Wars and
that when it came time to use them

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and design them and the Clone Wars, like they were so excited. Everyone

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was just like, fuck us,
this is the moment because this is the

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thing. And Filoni was just like, yeah, you know my brother and

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I kat It's brother. He was
mentioned, he does a name of he's

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not involved in this process. He
just talks about it. I was just

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like, you know, sit them
growing up. You know that that's that's

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a huge piece and so it's you
know, it's being brought back for this

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show that they're making. So yeah, absolutely all of this is like it's

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you know, I was thinking about
this a lot because of that exactly what

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you were saying while you're looking at
Dave Filoni's brother, because we've talked about

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it too with other other properties.
Now in this new kind of Disney Star

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Wars universe, there's nothing about his
brother. Who's his brother? Dude,

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it's just probably just talks about his
brother, because he'd be like, I

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don't know, there's got to be
one bubble see picture of Dave Filoni and

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his brother has some premiere Instead it's
just hat, nothing about Date Filoni's smiling

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and a hat. Maybe there is
no brother, or maybe there's Date flon

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his wife, Dave Filonian and a
cause player. Maybe his brother is like

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when someone still has like their twin
kind of growing out of their body,

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and that's what's under the hat.
I don't this brother exists. I think

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asmen's making up this brother to have
talking points. Listen, I was like

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very specifically, like, talked about
your brother at least twice. I listen,

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I got plenty to talk about.
What I was gonna say was I

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was thinking about this of how We've
talked about how it can be. It's

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it's becoming at times a detriment to
have fans of Star Wars make Star Wars.

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Yes, and I think we're yeah, we're talking about Filoni needs to

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get out, yeah now and take
some take a break and figure out because

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he's been yeah, so interesting now
that I'm thinking about it. Because Lucas

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got stuck in the Star Wars machine
mostly yep, like he did. He

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never directed anything until episode one again, he produced things, he got mired

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up in the Young Indiana Jones chronicles, but he just kind of never seemed

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like it got stuck in Star Wars. And Folony as the heir apparent,

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seems to just be stuck in Star
Wars. Yeah, and at this point

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to be a Star Wars band making
Clone Wars is a good thing. Yes,

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this is it like it is clearly, And it's not just him,

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that's the thing. It's not just
Dave Filoni. It's tons of other people,

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even melching Henry Gilroy, matthew Wood
voice of Grievous and also sound departments.

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Do you know how matt Wood got
the job of Greevis's voice? He

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was there, No, So I
always thought that that's what it was.

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That it was just like they were
like, ah, well, just pull

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in this guy. He can do
voices. But the like the story according

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to Matthew Wood is that they were
looking for voice actors. He made a

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tape but didn't put his name on
it and like just put it out there

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to be used. And then he's
a producer. He's a Prequels producer.

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Guy rim Rick McCallum came up to
him and like it was just like does

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anybody know this, Like we're looking
like this weird like a tape, but

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we're looking for the agent of that
person. And it was his tape and

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so he was like genuinely chosen and
he was Matthew Wood. But I thought

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that it was just like I don't
know how I if I heard that story,

403
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.320
I heard a story, a separate
story, if I created in my

404
00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.199
brain that they were just like,
well, I don't know Matthew would can

405
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:01.960
do shit. Let's just make him
do a grievous voice and do a cough,

406
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.800
you know, but nah, apparently, oh anyway, that's wild.

407
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.800
Yeah, but there are lots of
to the point, there are lots of

408
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.880
people. It's not just filony on
this right. Obviously he's you know,

409
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.880
the head of these things, but
there's lots of people who are all coming

410
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.480
into it with similar childhood experiences,
different ones, you know, and you

411
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:29.760
to synthesize what that feeling of Star
Wars is unluckily felonious, pretty darn good

412
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.159
at it. Yep, Like truly
understands the aesthetics. But here's the thing,

413
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.880
here's my argument. It's not just
the aesthetics. Like they're obviously capturing

414
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.039
it, and he understands the visual
language of it all. We get it.

415
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.679
He's he's actually he's capturing the characterization
as well. He's also yeah,

416
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.760
he's rebooting the characters to feel like
Star Wars, the emotional connections, the

417
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.400
like the specific characteristics, like what's
the difference you know, that whole red

418
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.519
letter media a thing with like Phantom
Menace where they're like, you know,

419
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:07.360
like exercise, Yeah, we know, we know they like describe the character,

420
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.760
So describe like pad Ma Madala without
you know, calling her a queen

421
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.360
or a senator or something like what
are adjectives if you think about her,

422
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.000
you know, and the prequels.
It's a little harder I could get someone,

423
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.000
but if you think about her in
this episode? What are the fucking

424
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.519
like? What are the ones that
come up for you from this episode?

425
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:31.199
Spunky, plucky, adventurous, bold, bold, brave, willing like this

426
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.119
is an adjective, but like selfless
maybe like willing to sacrifice herself, like

427
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:45.559
very white, extremely white in love, like she is hot for Anakin in

428
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.400
that very brief interchange where they are
kissing on a train. Oh my god,

429
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.920
like they have these two characters in
cartoon form have more chemistry than human

430
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:12.159
Anakin Skywalker ornerous, Uh, rascally
stinker, sincere, loyal, loyal,

431
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.480
loving, desperate. Yeah, the
desperate it's coming from the desperation like it's

432
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:24.599
used like intensity because he loves so
deeply. Yeah one uh honor Yeah,

433
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.639
kind of a rascal whenever, whenever
he gets put up against the wall.

434
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:40.039
Uh. Brave, clever, clever, smart, athletic. Yeah cool.

435
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:51.440
Now, how would you describe Gorgon
and the children challie as let me ask

436
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.000
you this question. Okay, I've
seen this episode before, No, god,

437
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:59.239
no, and what's great? I
believe you talked about this in the

438
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.880
pre show chat patreon dot com slasht
truck horse Pod if you didn't already talk

439
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.239
about it in the main episode.
Uh, but you did not read and

440
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.400
you did not know the perception of
this episode going in, so you got

441
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:19.039
to watch this clean. I watched
it like a newborn baby coming into this

442
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:25.079
world, coming in to say,
yeah, sure, this seems cool and

443
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:29.320
I'm gonna tell you a secret.
Can you here we go lean in.

444
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.039
For the first ten, fifteen,
twenty months or so, I was like,

445
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.519
just a pretty good episode, Like
I find threatening children to be very

446
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.480
interesting, like Lord of the Flies
type. Shit, it's such a good

447
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.360
idea. Dark's done it twice.
Oh what are the other ones? Charlie

448
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.280
X great episode, Yeah, that's
just great. And Mary pretty good episode.

449
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.639
Mary's the one. Mary is the
one because yeah, tarli X is

450
00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:01.960
one guy, one kid Marie.
Yeah, right, well, at least

451
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.320
in this one. At least in
this one. Kirk wasn't like this young

452
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.280
child is almost a woman, so
which I hate that. I was like,

453
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.480
why did I hate Mary? That's
why I agree? Yeah, yeah,

454
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.119
I yeah, I mean it's a
creepy idea. I like that there

455
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.519
are multiples of them, but you're
right, it has been done, Like

456
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.920
Mary's a big one, Like not
only that, but like telepathic telekinetic children,

457
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:36.679
right, Charlie X, for sure, maybe I and and if I

458
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.079
had been thinking of those episodes,
maybe I would have come and be a

459
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:42.599
little bit like, okay, been
done before. But I was interested.

460
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.119
I was interested in the fact that
they've they'd done, they've repeated episode premises

461
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.719
so far. That's sure, not
sure, but that's not going to preclude

462
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.920
be for liking a Star Trek episode. Well, I own multiple copies of

463
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.079
Star Trek five. I can't wait
to get to Star Trek five because it

464
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.400
sounds awful. But you like it, love it. I like it.

465
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.360
I think you're gonna like it.
It's a pretty chill hang. Okay,

466
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.719
yeah, I do like a chill
hang. Like right now we're doing a

467
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:20.280
chill hang. My controversial opinion these
original series movies are at worst good huh,

468
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:25.840
like it's outstanding franchise. Yeah,
okay, Brad, Well, you'll

469
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.119
get to it later. Anyways,
you're bopping along. You're the first one

470
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:37.239
I am because like those parents,
those all those adults die and you're like,

471
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.000
I love dead parents. I love
it. Well, I thought it

472
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.000
was like kind of like metal to
be like, all these parents are fucking

473
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.599
dead. How are they dead?
Why are they dead? They just kill

474
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:54.880
themselves. It's so metal. These
kids are like moo ring around the rosie.

475
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:01.159
That's metal as hell. And Gay
is like they have the kind of

476
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:07.400
you know they have basically like they're
it's trauma trauma amnesia and they can't even

477
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.239
grieve because they're like fucked up right
now. And I was like, wow,

478
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.039
we're going for it again. Dead
Parents is intense as shit. It's

479
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.360
pretty matal. Yeah. And then
and then here's what actually got me about

480
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.039
the episode. It wasn't like,
again, I had no problem with those

481
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:29.519
kids. They were very scary children. Honestly, they all were terrifying to

482
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.960
me. Again, I've read The
Lord of the Flies and I've interacted with

483
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:39.079
children, and uh, but there'd
be like at one point, Joel's like,

484
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.639
why don't they stun them? Why
are they stunning any of these children?

485
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.760
Why are they just standing around like
obviously it's not affecting him. Why

486
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.559
is he just like, get out
of here, stun the children. Why

487
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.239
is he fucking studying the children?
And it was like, what what started

488
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.280
to happen in the episode that really
grated on me was I just be like,

489
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.440
why are why are we doing nothing? Are we arguing with a child?

490
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:06.239
Why are we doing literally nothing?
For like, there's it's easy to

491
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:10.360
clown on kid acting. It's easy
to clown on them bringing in a criminal

492
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:16.159
defense attorney as the actor. The
fundamental sin of this episode is that it

493
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:23.119
comes to a screeching halt and turns
all of the characters into complete dummies,

494
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:30.519
morons, absolute morons. They're in
that scene when they first they're like,

495
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:32.320
so the kids do that thing where
they go ba ba ba, but they're

496
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.239
like they're you know, they like
do their fist three times? Takes some

497
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.039
time. You could stop them if
you want. Wow. And because this

498
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.519
goryan guy has ghost guy or whatever
the fucky is has given them this ability,

499
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.400
this kind of like psychic powers.
They are stuck on that bridge where

500
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:59.280
like everyone's like seeing shit and things
are happening for a solid like seven minutes.

501
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.960
It's dead. The scene is dead. It's dead. What is going

502
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:09.280
on? They repeat the same thing. And these characters are supposed to be

503
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.559
extremely smart, yeah worst, extremely
competent. It's been established that the enterprise

504
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.519
is kind of the best of the
best yea. And so Sulu is just

505
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:24.679
sitting there at the behest of a
child bopping their fists three times and looking

506
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.920
at a scream and daggers are coming
at him. O great, is Sulu

507
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:39.320
not competent enough to be like?
This is clearly an illusion. It brings

508
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:45.440
up so many more questions and I
don't like to poke at plot holes.

509
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.880
But whenever it gets in the way
of the emotional logic, yes, exactly,

510
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:55.480
the emotional logic comes to a complete
standstill, then there's a fundamental problem

511
00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:01.039
with your short, right exactly.
Like the problem here is that it had

512
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:08.079
a cool idea. And then I
see, not only is it like interfering

513
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:14.960
with emotional resonance or relationships, it
is making people act out of character.

514
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.679
And I hate that. Like,
if there's one thing, if I start

515
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:24.320
reading a fan fic Kenny doesn't matter
if it's my favorite ship, if those

516
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.360
people are acting, if they're OOC, as we like to call it,

517
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.880
I can't do it. And this
episode is just a bunch of people ex

518
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.880
strongly OOC out of character. In
reading these are the Voyages TOS seasons read

519
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.480
by Mark Cushman, it was one
of the because they send each script to

520
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.480
an agency to get like science checked
to Callum DeForest agency, and this woman

521
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.079
I forget where her name is.
It might be Judy Crosby, just the

522
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.480
lady. It goes through each script
and it's just like, no, you're

523
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.320
using parsex wrong. It actually needs
to be light years. She goes through

524
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:15.440
each one of these things and oh
not Jonkru. Joan Pierce is her name.

525
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:21.679
And one of the things is that
whenever Spock and Kirk watching the tape

526
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.960
of the parents because we get a
hashtag dead parents video, oh, I

527
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:31.519
will say that scene good. But
then in one of the scripts, because

528
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:38.360
there are multiple scripts, surprise,
surprise, Spock smiles. No, Joan

529
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:43.559
Pierce is like, no, no, never, would you believe almost never,

530
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.119
especially in light of the seriousness of
the situation and the material they are

531
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.039
viewing. Oh my god. Yeah, I mean I guess that's I guess

532
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.719
that's like why you have things like
that, right, Like if someone's coming

533
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.440
in and you've got various writers,
is the first time they're writing in episode?

534
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:07.519
We Actually it wasn't various writers.
It's here like two writers and then

535
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:15.800
with various producers and other studio wants. Uh the initial script. Well,

536
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.679
no, I mean, I mean
various writers on across episodes. It's not

537
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.920
like one person is writing every single
episode. Yeah, what is this the

538
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.239
first four seasons? The West Wing? Yeah? Right, in this case,

539
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:36.320
no sork In. Here are Babylon
five, which is a close cousin

540
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:42.000
to Star Trek and and the West
Wing. Could you believe it? Yeah?

541
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:47.840
But J Michael Strazinski seems to be
uh more chill, a little bit,

542
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:54.320
a little bit more chill. Yeah, I mean like I'm not surprised.

543
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.679
They're like there should be someone.
It's like almost like your continuity expert

544
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.880
on like the visuals. It should
be like continuity on things like make sure

545
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.719
that we're not saying the wrong thing. I mean, again, I already

546
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.559
made my fan fiction joke, but
I'm serious about that. Like you get

547
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.159
fifteen seasons of Supernatural, for instance, again and show that maybe I should

548
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:22.599
we should also podcast about fifteen seasons. Would we do Supernatural against a different

549
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.639
trip? No, it's just have
you ever seen Supernatural? I've asked you

550
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.360
that a billion times. No,
but I watched Buffy. Okay, but

551
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:30.960
see that's what I would be.
I'd be like someone who used to be

552
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.920
like a Supernatural like super fan.
You're like, I've never seen this before.

553
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:40.320
We should do it? I know
at a certain point, like you

554
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:45.679
have so many episodes of a thing, and there's stuff that might have happened

555
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.840
like in season two, right,
and you have someone like me who's a

556
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.400
freak, and I'm watching something in
season thirteen and I see someone do something

557
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.079
and I'm like, Dean would never
do that. And in fact, in

558
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.360
season three, episode five vibe,
he says he would never do that.

559
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.679
Like you have people like that,
right, So I feel like that's just

560
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.599
kind of bound to happen. It's
so interesting watching the behind the scenes of

561
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.920
other subsequent Star Trek stuff and you're
I'm watching folks like Ronald D. Moore

562
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:24.239
and Brandon Braga and Rick Berman and
all of these high falutin people that were

563
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.920
there writing the best Star Trek and
they're like, oh gosh, something like

564
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.679
what was that? What was that
episode where Picard was abducted by the Borg?

565
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.119
And someone's like, I think it
was the best of both worlds.

566
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.440
And meanwhile, I'm over here as
the fan, being like the best episode

567
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.480
of Star Trek. But like they're
they're so involved with production, this stuff

568
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:52.079
just kind of slips their mind because
there's twenty nine, twenty six episodes,

569
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:59.519
twenty four episodes, that they just
have to get out right exactly. Yeah,

570
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.519
but also it does feel like a
little bit of a betrayal. It's

571
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.679
like, at this point we know
Spock does not smile, and so it

572
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.079
feels a bit to me like you
don't understand the characters you're writing from a

573
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.639
fundamental perspective in terms of their like, what they like, what they care

574
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.719
about, what their perspective on the
world is. And this is because Roddenberry's

575
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:29.199
kind of checked out. Sure here
he's giving notes to make things more difficult,

576
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:34.280
it seems, but not being a
loving guiding hand or doing the work

577
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:40.639
himself. Was he ever a loving
hand unless it was with the ladies?

578
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:46.800
Am I right? Maybe this is
just my blind adherence to g Roddenberry because

579
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.760
I think the man is somewhat part
of my family. In my mind,

580
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.280
Star Trek has almost been a I
know, my parent social relationship with Star

581
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.159
Trek. It's always been the fourth
family member, my only child family.

582
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:07.599
It's always been there. It's never
asked anything of me that is unkind,

583
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.639
except for Star Trek into Darkness,
and even that I was just like,

584
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.480
I know that you've hurt me,
but I still forgive you. I'll buy

585
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:19.079
you oh no, I know,
right, Okay, No, I'm not

586
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:29.840
okay. Rotten Berry is many things. He's also when it comes to there

587
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:34.920
are there are these moments of sincerity, but it's probably fueled by ego.

588
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:43.119
Right, how interesting? Anyways,
Yeah, basically this episode got wrecked because

589
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:49.599
it was trying to serve too many
masters greed. This was a script that

590
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:55.119
was commissioned by Roddenberry before he kind
of pieced out a little bit more when

591
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.239
you say it was commissioned, like
you mean he was like, I want

592
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:04.519
a story about I want to see
the children who are in source Old.

593
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.559
I believe this writer who was an
established TV writer, Edward J. Laso,

594
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:15.760
written a bunch of TV by this
point, interviewed for the position of

595
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:21.239
rewrite guy that kind of the DC
Fontana role, the Arthur Singer wouldn't fulfill.

596
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.320
Doesn't get that, but Gene likes
me so much gives him assignment.

597
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.440
Did he pitch this in the room? Yes, Laxo pitched this idea.

598
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.639
Gene was like, go write it, and he wrote it and apparently the

599
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:40.639
first draft was pretty good. It's
much darker than what we got. The

600
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:45.679
kids instead of singing ring around the
Rosie, they were just cowering in fear

601
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.039
because they were like and they were
dealing with the pure embodiment of evil and

602
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:59.480
then kind of like the naked time, that fear, that embodiment of evil

603
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:05.599
would then be used to reveal the
deepest fears of the crew, and the

604
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:10.079
kids are kind of ancillary a little
bit, but it's a character based episode

605
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.480
where you're watching the biggest fear Kirk
becoming incompetent a command spot, losing control

606
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:22.599
or getting old. I was like, man, then she did say like,

607
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.400
I'm by death, and I was
like, okay, that's a little

608
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.599
better. The fear of dat is
a little better than I'm old and ugly.

609
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:37.880
Yeah. But then the network's like, can we lighten this up?

610
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:45.280
And so now the kids are saying
rosy And then Fred Freiberger is like,

611
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.840
what if the kids can do mind
control too? Because gene Ron Barrow is

612
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.159
like, the script isn't necessarily working. We need some work on this,

613
00:52:54.360 --> 00:53:01.159
and Fred Freiberger interpreted that as you're
right, we need to we need mind

614
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:07.159
control, which no one said,
uh, and it became this convoluted mess.

615
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:09.000
He's like and then Fred Freiberger was
the one who was like, what

616
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:15.039
if we cast that criminal defense attorney
as kind of a ratings gimmick. I

617
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:21.320
okay, can I can I ask
you a serious cue? Yep? Always

618
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:29.159
okay. The kids creeping around doing
their little fists stuff actually pretty SPOOKUET would

619
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:30.880
have loved it if it had been
even scarier, if it had been about

620
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:36.199
their actual like deepest darkest spears,
if they didn't do it forty times in

621
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.840
the episode, if it hadn't been
over and over and over again, over

622
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:46.239
again so many times. Every time
that dude showed up, I was like,

623
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:50.880
the fuck are you? I don't
understand, so here's my cue for

624
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.480
you. At one point, I
think Spock says something like the children were

625
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.199
possessed or something, and I'm like, like, okay, is it the

626
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.639
word possessed that we're using, because
I would that that's like ghost possession.

627
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.360
I was just thinking that they were
led astray by him, which is pretty

628
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.679
intense considering they like helped to kill
their parents, being given like told led

629
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.599
astray, So the like, I
guess, what do you think? What

630
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:24.960
do you think possession means in this
situation? I think they were led astray?

631
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:32.440
I think, yeah, you don't
so I I I would say led

632
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:37.119
astray. So it's almost like that
because I feel like, if that's the

633
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:44.679
case, boy howdy, those kids
suck. But also it's an episode that

634
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:50.239
operates on the level of this is
happening because it has to happen, because

635
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.920
this thing, because it has to
happen, has to get in the way.

636
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:59.239
I do like then Sorcalry idea that
it's like a little bit more than

637
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:04.960
let as stray, but less than
possessed, that they're like he did truly

638
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.639
trick them, like showed them things, promised them things, like kind of

639
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:15.639
like used his own sort of mind
controlley type whatever. But still the idea

640
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.280
of him being like the embodiment of
evil is like so vague, it's so

641
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.519
weird. I truly was like,
I don't understand what's going on, and

642
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:29.159
I like, do you think I'm
smart than you so much? I like

643
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.239
to think I am, And I
was just like, I don't. I

644
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:37.840
don't know, my dudes, what
is this the episode the Star Trek likes

645
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.280
to operate in thematics we've talked about, yes, while Star Wars likes to

646
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:53.880
operate in thermatics so much heat Star
Wars thematics for action. Yes, as

647
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:59.239
you beautifully demonstrated with the Return of
the Jedi episode and talking about Return of

648
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.039
the Jedi, thank you for bringing
that up all the time, and talking

649
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:05.840
about how smart I am. It's
really smart. You're nice. It's a

650
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:15.280
fabulous read. And this episode is
almost about showing children because also another mandate

651
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:20.440
from on Hio as they were like
teenagers, kids watch the show. Let's

652
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:23.920
get some let's make kid friendly.
It was real good friendly coach, parents,

653
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:30.440
cast, criminal defense lawyer, Melbourne
Belly. Nothing that kids love more.

654
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:38.039
But there is almost a story about
how you must feel grief even in

655
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:45.480
the worst of times. It's not
really it's not really it's making allusions to

656
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:55.119
it. It's almost almost say that
because there's something there about these kids avoiding

657
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:04.079
things through. There's something there about
a strong man being like, I can

658
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:08.400
give you power. You don't have
to mourn, you can control these feelings.

659
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:14.559
Just do what I want you to
do and you will be good.

660
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:21.840
And there's something about being led astray. Yeah, it's true feelings of strength

661
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.440
and power and control instead of what
you need, which is grief for the

662
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:32.840
loss. Yes, I okay,
I actually I really like that read.

663
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.880
It's barely there, no, but
I mean it's it's yeah, I mean

664
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.679
it's not well written, it's not
clear, but you're right that there is

665
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:49.239
a strong theme. I mean it's
explicitly said by McCoy two of like they

666
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.480
cannot grieve because they have this trauma
amnesia, I think, and it is

667
00:57:53.599 --> 00:58:00.320
deeply important for them to engage with
this and be present with it. And

668
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:07.440
when they do show the video of
them playing with their parents and then the

669
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.920
parents dead, those there's some good
child criers. I just want you to

670
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.639
know that. Look like little girl, I was like, she is,

671
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:21.199
I think that's that kid is really
crying. A little girl, very sweet,

672
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.480
very cute. Yes, horrifying and
then very cute, very sweet,

673
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.320
wanting to be picked up by Kirk
was like, oh baby all I know,

674
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.840
baby girl. And yeah, that
kind of like acknowledgment of the grief,

675
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:37.559
which is then funny because they're just
like, so now we're going to

676
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:45.800
drop them off where they'll be I
suppose adopted maybe since their parents are dead.

677
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.760
Yeah, you know who's not dead
Anakin Obi Wan and Padme at least

678
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:58.599
not yet, not yet, not
yet. You know who is dead?

679
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:12.119
All those droids on the malevolence.
That's right, because because because they they

680
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:19.159
bring back an important thing about hyperspace
travel, which is that you have to

681
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.320
make calculations, and those calculations have
to be good because if you were wrong

682
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.320
in them, you could end up
in the middle of a mountain. You

683
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.480
know who knows, right, We
have be very careful, and so they

684
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.480
get the part of it is that
they're they get the hyper drive back online

685
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:36.000
for the malevolence to get out of
there. But Anakin goes in in a

686
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:42.320
great fun scene where they he like
I feel like for people who haven't seen

687
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:46.239
it, it's just wonderful because it
is like physical comedy and like beautiful fast

688
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:51.920
action at its like best. Because
they come into the space where the hyper

689
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:58.480
drive like kind of like loops keep
hitting my microphone just like da. They

690
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.559
come to the space you are like
all that controls are there's a bunch of

691
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:06.440
droids in there. He pushes padme
out so she's safe, like out of

692
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.639
the door again it closes and he
just slices up the droids and then the

693
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:14.039
door just opens. She just like
walks in like okay, and he's just

694
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.960
like could you clean this up?
She has like she does clean it up.

695
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.440
It's so funny and what he does
is he calculates it so that when

696
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:28.400
they do go into hyperdrive, it
puts them into the moon. And I

697
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.119
thought that was clever. So that
was that was just a nice time for

698
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:37.320
everybody. So they're not dead,
but those droids and that massive ass ship

699
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:43.360
sure are sure are Is this episode
saying anything politically about the state of the

700
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.320
world or is it worried about just
being a rip roaring adventure. I think

701
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:52.000
that it is a ripporing adventure that
it's very focused on emotional relationships. I

702
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:59.000
think that this episode is doing a
lot the Padme Anakin relationship. It is

703
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:04.559
imbued through throughout it in a very
strong way. The moment that they realize

704
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:08.880
that it's her ship that's been captured
and she's like, no, keep firing,

705
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:13.559
don't worry about me, and Anakin's
literally just like absolutely the fuck not.

706
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.519
We were watching and I was like, hey, do you have a

707
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.840
thing with bad Me? Like when
is anyone like walking in like why is

708
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.639
he being so weird a pad Me? But yeah, to that, like

709
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:31.079
all the actions that they take like
that, like she has that line,

710
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.000
you know, when he does get
to her and they're on all those trains,

711
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:39.239
which which Dave Filoni's brother loves and
she's like, the things you do

712
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.199
to get me alone, and I'm
just like, look at you. They're

713
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.760
just having great fun exchanges, and
I just think it does a lot for

714
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:53.320
that relationship to just like show them
as equals. And so perhaps it's not

715
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:58.719
saying anything politically at this point,
but it's doing a lot. Anakin disobeys

716
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:04.719
orders, yes always, or not
disobeys order, but is given a choice

717
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:07.920
either go say padme or do this
other thing. The other thing I forget.

718
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:14.360
But it's for the better of the
collective versus the individualist choice, which

719
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:16.920
is you got to say the senator, but really it's to say padme,

720
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.639
right, it's to say padme.
Yeah, I can't remember. I mean,

721
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.280
she's the one who's like, forget
about me, like you've got this

722
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.800
mission, like oh, and he's
like, nope, I'm gonna choose to

723
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:32.119
save you. He does. He
does make the individualist choice. It's because

724
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:37.039
he is, yeah, deeply in
love with Padme. It almost makes you

725
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:47.639
wonder if maybe the weird foe Jedi
on misunderstanding of like letting go or lack

726
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:53.800
of attachment is actually stupid because I
know it's an individualist choice. I mean,

727
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.719
I don't think necessarily we should be
like, just because it works out

728
01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:00.400
doesn't mean it is the right choice. Like a Spock might say, you

729
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:06.360
know, that needs the many outway
that needs the few. He's probably very

730
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:14.320
lucky that it worked out for him, but also that you know, I

731
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:19.239
I think Star Wars is a story. I mean, I think you have

732
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:27.400
argued Star Wars is the story you've
I think you know, going back hours

733
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.199
and hours and hours of watching,
you argued that Star Wars is an individualistic

734
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:37.880
story, whereas Star Trek is a
ultimately kind of a community. It's about

735
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:44.079
the collective type stories. I argued
that, yeah, sometimes, but ultimately

736
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.800
it is about what we can do
and be together. It's just frustrated that

737
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.559
it's a whole bunch of individuals that
are working in tandem and for collective victory.

738
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:58.719
Then also just larger, the larger. Her text of Star Wars has

739
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:05.239
demonstrated that we get stuck in these
loops as well. Not to just press

740
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:09.880
a sound effect, but Georgie said, a guess like poetry, So if

741
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:15.880
they rhyn I mean, yeah,
which it makes sense that their Foloni would

742
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.760
be purposely trying to mirror aesthetics of
Star Wars, not just in terms of

743
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:24.559
trying to repilot and get those things, but from a thematic level. Having

744
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:31.360
these folks behave like a good old
fashioned are what our societal brain interprets as

745
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:35.679
the feeling of Star Wars. And
Foloni's able to capture that feeling, and

746
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:41.519
it's just trying to demonstrate through action, yeah, that we're still stuck in

747
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.039
these gosh darn star Wars Now.
Is that a conscious choice? I don't

748
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:49.719
think so, but thematically you might
be able to interpret that because they're feeling

749
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:54.239
a lot like han Luke and Leia
in the Death Star right here, they

750
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:58.719
really do, like it feels very
strongly, you know, it's like,

751
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.000
yeah, he's a Rask. It's
like a rascal at the heart of goal.

752
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.280
He's gotta look a nerve herder like
that's Anakin right now, like you

753
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.840
can map them. And and she
has the same kind of like hutzpah as

754
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:13.599
Leia, and she always did.
She just never got the opportunity and the

755
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:17.599
characterization to do so. And she
gets to be this throughout Clone Wars and

756
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:23.880
it is thrilling. She is interesting, she has fun, she is brave,

757
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:29.280
like it's it's very cool and there's
a lot of dynamism. I mean,

758
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.559
right now we're a place setting character
relationship. We're almost you know,

759
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.920
we are almost like rebooting it to
be like we got you, we got

760
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:41.119
this is good. These are It
does remind you of old Star Wars,

761
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:45.039
but these are different characters, like
they are different people. It's kind of

762
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:48.480
like Star Trek the next generation in
terms of this is the same but different,

763
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:53.039
right and it's going to become even
more than it is right now,

764
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:57.639
Like it gets to go in different
directions. Right now, Politically, I

765
01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:00.760
think we're still like we're going to
get into more complexity of what this war

766
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:06.239
means for different people. I think
the most just destroyed the bad Guy,

767
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:10.840
which is a very simple story.
The most we've had is that first episode

768
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:16.039
with the Toydarians of like what does
it mean to have these people who are

769
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:20.639
technically not part of their neither separatists
nor Republic and we're trying to get them

770
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:25.239
on our side? What does that
look like? That? And we had

771
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:29.800
like the identity of like the Clones
as humans as people and this it is

772
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:35.000
more this this arc itself has been
more of big ship, go boom,

773
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:42.119
kill people and it's we have to
fight in safe and that's been very yeah,

774
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:46.599
so it's less politically charged, more
around that action and new characterization.

775
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:53.239
I'd say the end I answered your
question, is that really the end?

776
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:59.199
Though it's never the end, not
for you. In this bit what bit?

777
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.800
It's like I'm gonna be like,
what are you talking about? What

778
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.239
bit? And I'm just gonna wait
for you to answer me. A long

779
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:15.920
time ago, start dating this week, I quoted a boat, I dated

780
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:20.000
a game, but none of them
could work my drive into high birth space.

781
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:31.840
The best of both worlds kept me
in the second place. Captain slog

782
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:38.400
on a Halla kron. I wanted
a song. I penned a song.

783
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:53.679
Seventeen more minutes advise in super high
dev aboard the USS Enterprise DT. Don't

784
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:58.679
you take my walk lighter and clip
it? Don't you take my wretchered buddy

785
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.960
and nip it. If you spill
the tea, I'm gonna sip it.

786
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:11.920
A starship it aspen. What are
we doing? We are going to name

787
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:16.680
our favorite starships or vehicles that could
fly through the sky or perhaps are inside

788
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:21.920
things and themselves moving. I'm setting
this up for a specific reason, but

789
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:30.159
usually starships that fly through the stars. Interesting and our favorite ships for rollmans,

790
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:33.880
which is gonna be super easy when
we have some episodes with children.

791
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:44.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I'm Since you were so desperate to go

792
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:47.079
first last week so you can claim
why wings, I'm gonna go first this

793
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:54.880
week. I'm gonna pick pat mas
d Uh spaceship. It's great. I

794
01:08:55.199 --> 01:09:00.439
don't know exactly what it's called.
I just know that it's influenced by Bucks

795
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.640
so much, so much. It
looks like the episode one queen ship,

796
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:11.479
but smaller and smaller, looks like
a rocket ship. It looks like a

797
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:16.600
classic rocket jet. It it's so
good. She blows it up too,

798
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:21.880
which she has a different ship in
episode three. I'm assuming it's fair.

799
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:26.560
I mean, I assume that there
are just like a bunch of Naboo starships

800
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:31.520
like royal ships that she can just
be like, I'm going to take this

801
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:38.079
swaden like her own little private jet. Yeah. Her PJ is like,

802
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:43.359
thank you, I'll go blow with
this one up to save our lives.

803
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:46.720
Speaking of saving our lives asmen,
what is your starship? Okay, so

804
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.079
again it's not a ship necessarily going
to this guy, but it is the

805
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:57.520
rail jet. So the tutor trains, Yes, of course those counts as

806
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:03.359
we know. By the way,
Grievous has a funny history with trains.

807
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:11.600
Thank you, thank you. You
can't say thank you for the funniest thing

808
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:17.800
I've ever seen in my life.
But the malevolence is like a mile long.

809
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:24.720
This ship is huge longer, probably
so, the idea being that it's

810
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.960
how do you get from one side
of it to the other quickly? You're

811
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:32.600
not just you need some sort of
infrastructure for the I don't know, almost

812
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.840
kind of inside metropolis. Yes,
that is the malevol and there's got to

813
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:43.920
be like certain quadrants that function like
I don't know, business buildings or certain

814
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.079
kind of aspects. You could say, uh huh, the whole ship,

815
01:10:47.600 --> 01:11:04.880
the whole ship, yeahs all.
Yeah, it's got a better metro system

816
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:12.359
than most American cities. Let me
tell you about that, unless you have

817
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:19.359
a cape, in which case be
problematic. Work so good again. So

818
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:26.640
apparently, according to Dave, the
layout department, I don't even know what

819
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.399
the layout department would be in this
case. Well, they just like get

820
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:36.760
some sun. They they were the
ones who were like kind of just given

821
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:43.399
like, hey, you know what, go wild like there's like there's gonna

822
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.000
be some trains in here. Let's
see what it looks like. And they

823
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:49.159
were like, you want some trains, We're gonna give you some trains,

824
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:53.960
And they ended up doing like layers
of them, and apparently and their like

825
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:58.279
initial works, it was just like
it didn't make sense conceptually to be able

826
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.560
to fit inside of the ships.
To scale it done a little bit more,

827
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:06.680
but then yeah, there's just like
trains going everywhere. It's like they're

828
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:13.000
jumping across and all around them.
Uh see three Po is like getting hit

829
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.960
by him. No one ever seems
to care. They're like, oh,

830
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:19.439
I guess we'll go find three Po. You got like smashed by a tree.

831
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:26.000
It's funny too. It makes for
like great physical comedy. Uh does

832
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.760
what they try to do in episode
two, Yes, so much better.

833
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.880
It is. It is the Droid
Factory, but billions of times better.

834
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:38.479
It's consistent, it's funny, it's
a little dangerous. People are not stupid.

835
01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:43.640
But then it does get to have
like dumb little bits like when Grievous

836
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:45.800
like gets off one of the trains, there's like a voice there that's like

837
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:51.000
mine the gap. It is like
like I think like I'm like, this

838
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:57.079
is like the best kind of dumb, like it fits in this so uh

839
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.880
and that was apparently a request in
another Matt would boys over. I like

840
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:05.119
that guy, Yeah, oh yeah, but that's mine. I love those

841
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:13.039
trains and so to stay full and
his brother give his name, give his

842
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:16.319
name. I don't know. I'm
not sure that he exists, you know

843
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:21.319
what does exist? Though, I'm
shipping today. I'm shipping Mary and Captain

844
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:27.239
Kirk. He's Mary. Mary is
the little child that you were that was

845
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:32.159
always getting picked up by Captain Kirk. Uh. And here's why. Pamelain

846
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:41.319
Ferdin played Mary okay uh and she
had uh a. She was the original

847
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:45.359
voice of Lucy on the Peanuts animated
television special and b she had a big

848
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:50.079
honking crush on William Shatner on the
set and was just like, this is

849
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:55.439
activating stuff in me. Uh.
She was just like, he's so dreaming.

850
01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:00.479
And Shatner at the end of the
shoot. I mean, it was

851
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:04.840
always just like friendly and stuff to
the kids. Apparently reading their testimony,

852
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:08.560
they're just like, yeah, Shatner
and Nimoi were great. They were always

853
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:12.640
super friendly. They talked to us
like professionals. And then At the end

854
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:19.880
of the shoot, Shatner comes along
and gives Pamela and this little cigar ring,

855
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:26.720
and it's just like, will you
marry me? And she's like,

856
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:30.279
yes, whenever I graduated from high
school, Yes, I'll marry you.

857
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.720
She was like seven at the time. And I just think that's really lovely

858
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:41.880
and wonderful and cute and stuff.
The end. Okay, that's nice.

859
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.920
Well you disagree. I don't like
that. You don't like that. I

860
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:48.239
don't like that at all. You
don't like that the little actress had a

861
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:53.119
little crush on Shatner. I think
that's fine. I think that's very sweet.

862
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:57.239
I'm not gonna ship them. Uh
you do you boo? I also,

863
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:01.319
I mean someone pickens all right,
Oh, I know. I'm like,

864
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:03.760
what do you want from me?
I don't think I even have Like,

865
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:09.840
I'm like, think you probably incorporated
a charming real life story from one

866
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:13.239
of the child actresses who was just
like, look, I didn't like being

867
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:15.880
a child actor, but here was
one bright spot. All right, Okay,

868
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:19.520
that's fair, that's fair. It's
a very it's very sweet. The

869
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:23.720
audience likes it, right, audience, Yeah, look listen to that.

870
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:30.359
I love it. Okay, I
love my story, asked, except for

871
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.760
that one guy. He didn't like
it. No, I mean, I

872
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.159
think at a lot of levels,
it's nice. It's given me the squicks.

873
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:39.800
Uh, the will you marry me
thing is giving me the quicks.

874
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:45.000
Sixty When I was that age in
the nineties, I had fucking older men

875
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.239
doing shit like that to me.
So I don't know, I don't really

876
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:53.760
like you know, but sounds like
it was a protected environment. And she

877
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.880
was very like, well like,
well she remember fondly, but yes,

878
01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.119
so there you go experience. No, it's okay. I'm just saying that's

879
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.279
why it's given me the little internal
squicks. But also I've named ships that

880
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:10.960
I was myself squaked by, but
I named them anyway. That's the that's

881
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:13.600
the beauty of the thing. No, it's it's a sweet it's a sweet

882
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:16.239
story. You're right, because otherwise, what other ships are there? What

883
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.640
other ships are there that we haven't
named already, because we've done we've done

884
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:25.920
an anakinopadmes, We've done C trupio
and and R two D two, which

885
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:30.279
is nice to see them together.
We can always do R two D two

886
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:39.760
and the ship. Every time he
inserts something in you know at this point,

887
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:45.800
it's like everybody on the on the
Enterprise is it is one of your

888
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:53.119
ships from the Ultimate Computer Versus Clone
Wars Volume two is main Funky Warrior and

889
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:58.520
Lady Alien. That's a little bake, a little bit. I don't know

890
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:01.319
about. I know, I don't
know. I gotta hear onto the spreadsheet.

891
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:09.920
Oh boy, oh boy, oh
boy. Past ships also include uh

892
01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:15.640
Erga and Gorniche for Aspen, Latara
and Tebow, Oh Droid and Tebow,

893
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:24.840
a boy and that one gangster,
Ohhora and her multi tool. That's really

894
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.680
funny. Clearly at a certain point
I started trying to be more serious about

895
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:36.039
it. You also got Larry and
the community. Remember Larry who he walks

896
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:41.079
on We Love Larry was just Larry, what's up? Okay, Well,

897
01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:44.159
we're about to play that kind of
game here where we do a little bit

898
01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:46.239
of a we're gonna do the thing
that people hate, which is go for

899
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:53.520
an idea in someone. I'm gonna
go for Ohura we go and self love

900
01:17:53.920 --> 01:18:01.239
here we go. Ok Yeah,
listen, Ohurah, Let's talk about it

901
01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:05.039
for a second. Let's talk about
it for a second. We're all gonna

902
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:10.640
die. We're all gonna die.
Ye, We're all gonna get old.

903
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:15.000
We're gonna get wrinkles, our bones
are gonna start feeling a little bit more

904
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:20.279
tired, our skin's gonna get a
little bit creakily. It's gonna be harder

905
01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:24.720
to do stuff. We're gonna you
know, it's like, at a certain

906
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.760
point, it's gonna be like,
can I really ski every day? Could

907
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.680
I ski? Just no, because
I could never skiz start and never learn.

908
01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:34.920
It's never learned. We'll get to
that point. We'll get to that

909
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:41.560
point and it is hard scary.
It's so scary. People will say things

910
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.319
and they'll just be like, it
is a privileged to girl old. I'm

911
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:46.039
like, one hundred percent, I'm
also terrified of it. I'm terrified of

912
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.239
dying. So I hear you,
I hear you, and you know what,

913
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:57.279
that's okay. And right now,
just not dying. I hadn't until

914
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.560
just don't do it, just just
just try not to, just try not

915
01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:05.039
to die. Yeah, I think, But I do think that the more

916
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:13.039
that we treat death as it's like
an old friend, I sort of inevitability

917
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:16.399
of this is the world and this
is part of it, and we can

918
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.279
have all the feelings we need to
have about it. Then I think we're

919
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:23.640
all going to be a lot better
and just know that our worth is in

920
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.880
more than our beauty. The beauty
is something that can look different the older

921
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:30.039
we get. Anyway, I just
want to say that, Horror, I

922
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.079
love you so much. I ship
you and yourself for Thank you so much.

923
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:38.680
Speaking of beautiful, this is a
beautiful transition into the main conceit of

924
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:42.840
our podcast, which is better Star
Trek or Star Wars as we finally go

925
01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:46.000
and rank both of these episodes again, and the children shall lead from Star

926
01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:53.000
Trek the original series season three versus
Destroymal Levelence from Star Wars du Clone Wars

927
01:19:53.279 --> 01:20:00.520
season one. I will go first, right because they I feel like that's

928
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:05.119
right, and you're going to give
and the children shall lead a robust four.

929
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:11.600
Oh, this episode is just boring
as heck. It is dull.

930
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:17.399
It is so difficult to pay attention. The action is so repetitive, the

931
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:25.960
characters are so stupid, weird,
just breadth of an intelligence that has been

932
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:28.800
president in early episodes and I'm wondering
where the heck did it go. I

933
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.199
want to see my characters that I
know are smart, be smart. It's

934
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:34.399
a hard episode to watch. That's
why I give it a four. Aspen,

935
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:40.479
Yeah, I definitely don't want to
watch it again. To watch this

936
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:45.479
again, he gave me some money, how much? Maybe like ten bucks?

937
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:51.640
All right? Would you want to
give your venmo out please? It's

938
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:57.520
just as all right. That's the
challenge, listeners. If you send Aspen

939
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:05.960
ten dollars, they will rewatch and
the children shall lead if no one does

940
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:16.560
requests, if no one requests money
of me, let's see three point eight.

941
01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:23.000
Three point eight. My brain was
going for like in the threes,

942
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:25.039
but I was like, it's not
a low three, it's not a mid

943
01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:29.520
three. It's it's a it's an
upper three for sure. The times I've

944
01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:32.439
given things that this low is often
because I hated them. I don't hate

945
01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.680
this episode. I just genuinely think
it's not good. I would rather hate

946
01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:43.079
an episode versus just kind of be
largely indifferent. Right, but by an

947
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:46.039
episode I will forget that I watched
this episode. Yeah, at some point,

948
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:50.560
I it's exactly like, I'd rather
feel a lot of feelings about something

949
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:59.039
than just be like, oh boy, speaking of feelings, feelings about episodes,

950
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:03.079
just I'm gonna get this one a
six. Oh really. I for

951
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:05.399
some reason, I was just like, I'm kind of bored by this.

952
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:11.239
Oh. I think it's doing what
it's doing quite well. I just wasn't

953
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:15.319
feeling it though, and I can't
put my finger quite on it. I

954
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:17.840
was just like, I'm ready for
this arc to be over and move on.

955
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:23.600
Wow. Maybe Aaron's right, maybe
we should be watching him. That's

956
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:28.600
one arc because I wonder like what
it would look like as on the whole

957
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:34.600
Interesting. Interesting that you say that
I do not feel that way. Great,

958
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:39.199
I'm going to give it a seven
point three seven point three. No,

959
01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:43.119
okay, it's hard because it is. Let's what did I get the

960
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:48.720
other two seven point nine for Rising
Malevolence, Shadow Leveolence seven point six Okay,

961
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:53.840
okay, let's give it some point
five seven point five. Yeah,

962
01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:56.359
I mean yeah, it's coming to
the end of the arc. It's a

963
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.159
good, strong end of the arc. I think. I that's seven point

964
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.800
nine probably sounds like I was just
like fucking having a great time and I'm

965
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:08.399
still having a great time, and
it's a close out. I love having

966
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.600
Padme there. I think it is
a solid episode, great time, all

967
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:16.680
around, fun, interesting conclusion to
the thing. Yeah, and I guess

968
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:18.960
you know, if you were to
take those together as a whole, the

969
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:26.479
arc is to me very much high
sevens. It's great. And that was

970
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:32.520
a seven point five mm hm excellent. Yep uh, which stand by stand

971
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:40.640
by for math, which means that
destroy malevolence. Is that a robust six

972
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:44.880
point seventy five versus and the children
shall lead paltry three point nine, which

973
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.520
means, Aspen, I'm a winner. You're a winner. I'm a winner,

974
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:57.560
baby. That's right. Yes,
dude, I feel not so good.

975
01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:02.800
Not only that, yeah, but
Aspen, Yeah, the war is

976
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:10.239
turning in your favor. As today, for the first time, the overall

977
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:16.119
average of better Star Wars to Star
Trek has finally tilted in Star Wars favor

978
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:24.079
over all the episodes that we have
done, averaging out to a six point

979
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:29.159
three four versus Star Trek's six point
two eight. Aspen, that's right,

980
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:40.039
that's right. I feel great.
Thank you for asking. I'd like to

981
01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:49.359
thank God no one else. It's
outstanding. I love paying attention to the

982
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:54.079
math of all of this thing,
because all of this stuff is completely suggesting

983
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:59.800
real. Also, we've had this
conversation of being like, there's more goods

984
01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.760
Star our Trek than Star Wars and
right now, ah, so far in

985
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:08.319
the numbers both of you and me
are watching this, and the numbers don't

986
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:12.079
live. Star Wars is doing a
little bit at the Star Trek right now,

987
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:15.680
and that's pretty fun. I mean, yeah, is there more good

988
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.399
Star Trek than Star Wars. We're
about to have well six seasons, then

989
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:27.920
later well the seven seasons of exceptional
Star Wars and then four seasons of exceptional

990
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:32.600
Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah,
dude, We're in a good run and

991
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.119
Star Trek is going to be bouncing
all over the place, but hopefully our

992
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:41.920
listeners will be bouncing over to our
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993
01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:45.920
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994
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995
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996
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:59.520
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997
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:03.239
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998
01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:06.159
don't want to do any of those
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999
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:11.399
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1000
01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:15.600
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1001
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:19.079
year. We love reading stuff,
and we love interacting with you. Aspen.

1002
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:24.479
I freaking love you so much and
I love getting to talk with you

1003
01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:30.159
every single week. I love you. Thank you for curing my COVID to

1004
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:35.159
thank Austin and Aaron for sending that
one jedi over from Monklamari. Yeah that

1005
01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:40.840
also she healed me. Thank you
so much to everybody who healed me she

1006
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.479
did, and to all of our
listeners. From both myself and Aspen,

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May the Force be with you and
live long and prosper st