Downfall of a Droid vs. Spectre of the Gun

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Welcome to the Track Wars podcast,
the Internet's exclusive vallet for trying to answer

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the one question, the most important
question in fandom, which is better Star

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Trek or Star Wars. And we're
going through both franchises in chronological release order.

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Today is certainly no exception, Aspen, Aspen, I know that you

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were hoping that today would be an
exception. I always think that perhaps today's

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the day that we finally start comparing
Xena. It's a Hercules, But it's

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not. It's not that's what we
always do. It's a different kind of

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legendary journey that we trek on.
Speaking of Trek, I am Kenny Madison

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of the Star Trek contingent, and
with me as for always is, it's

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me Aspen Webster. And hold on, do you waiter? Star what?

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What do you hear that in the
distance? Oh my gosh, Oh my

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gosh. Oh no, that drud
just done got shot down. Oh no,

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Kenny, we got ourselves. We
got ourselves a western We're down to

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have a root and to it in
time. Here as we review Downfall of

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Adroid from Star Wars. The Clone
Wars first aired November seventh, two thousand

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and eight. Versus Specter of the
Gun first aired October twenty fifth, nineteen

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sixty eight. Oh, Kenny Kendall, my dear friend. I did not

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know it was going to be a
Western and I was excited and it was

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great. Would you say that you
were hooting and holler and doing all kinds

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of shenanigans. I was. I
was square dancing down by the lake where

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the cows drink, and I was
turning butter and I was thinking about how

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does the system of law enforcement work
in Old West America. Yeah, there's

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a lot of questions that I did
not dig further into the legend of the

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gunfight at the ok Corral. I
just am grabbing what I've did from Oh

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thank goodness. I was about to
come out and be like, I like

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totally forgot to watch my Felony Zone
and do any research on Clone Wars.

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But I gotta tell you, I
one down that Wikipedia rabbit hole of the

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Okay Corral shootout. Excellent, wonderful. I'm glad because I did go down

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the colonial zone. What was surprising
is that I did not expect an episode

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that was dealing with Anakin Skywalker's attachment
disorder. Oh my god, my dude,

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my dude, you know it's really
good. We'll get into this War

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Wars. It's so good. And
I appreciate a Star Trek episode that's old

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Western themed, surrealist, old Western, compared to Star Wars, which to

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me is just Western in space.
Is it a Western in space? Yes?

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And why are you talking about why
it's a space Western? Right?

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But why is it a space Western? Well? I guess Clone Wars.

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Okay, you make me explain myself. No, I'm not, Oh,

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Kenny, you're questioning. I think
the label is apt. I think it's

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appropriate. I'm just wondering. What
are you don't trust me, I get

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it. Yeah, I don't trust
you to talk. I don't want it.

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No, I'll have none of it. No. I guess vigil ante

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justice go hand in hand with what
we scribe to the Western genre as a

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whole. That's one of those stereotypes, you know, I for for what

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it's worth, I think at space
space Western a lot of Yeah, it's

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vigilante justice, but it's a lot
of sort of I think we see it

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with like outer rim planets, there's
a lot of what's the lawlessness of the

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place, or you know that it's
there might be a center, a legal

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center, but there's sort of the
vastness of space and who knows what might

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be going on out there, and
some places have syndicates that are actually in

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charge of it, and and the
gangsters they I guess effectively the kind of

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like it's not just the I think
that's why, Like the imagery of Tattooine

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is like that kind of desolate desert
is very evocative of it. But then

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you have certain characters, like you've
got a Han Solo that's kind of a

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rogue who I feel like is a
very Western type persona a gun he's,

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you know, he's kind of like
a Devil make Care type of character with

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the you know, the road with
a heart of gold, which kind of

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is a cross genre. But I
feel like you see a lot in Westerns.

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But I do think you're right that
like Star Wars, because it is

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deeply fleshed out, has different levels
of I feel like in different ways it

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can be reflective of. While I
didn't watch all twenty seasons of Gun Smoke,

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I have a sneaky suspicion that Gun
Smoke did not interrogate the larger political

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spectrum the way that Star Wars has
in chronicling the rise and fall and rise

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of fascism. Kenny, can we
just pause, okay, and let's just

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like think back a year ago,
not really pause, just like a pause.

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Already put it in the footnotes.
Oh my god, take an out

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of the foot I can't take it
out of the footnotes. It's already in

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the footnotes. There's no delete button. Okay, there's no totally button on

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the computer. None. Let's just
pause and think about your perspective on Star

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Wars just a year ago. Would
you have said the sentence you just said

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then Yes, Ah, I hope
I had brought you to a place of

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true understanding. No, because it
was the last Jedi that helped everything click

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into pay in place, because it
bothered to I mean, I'd see the

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arguments that Lucas was exercising. What
is it circle theory? And I mean

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he said it it's like poetry at
rhymes, and so all of these things

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structurally within the prequels are just like
repeating, which has the oh right,

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right, we're right. He's doing
it because it will make fans excited to

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see the thing that they recognize.
And also he's looking at repeating loops and

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how you have to break the loops. And then last Jedi, it was

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the first one to textually say this
stuff keeps happening, and we did talk

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a lot about it with like the
was it the Fall the Monomith, the

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Jesse Gender six hour video that really
talks about that and that kind of meta

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conversation around actually keeping the perpetuation of
like the kind of corporate corporate fascism alive.

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Yeah, I like the repetition of
the thing. I just listen.

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I just was like, man as
the Star Wars contingent, I was like,

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man, Kenny's sounds like he's on
my side. Here's here's where you

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have changed me a deeper friendship.
Oh my god, look it us like

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it is be awakning my eyes to
the political intricacies of what is in the

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textual script of the three prequels that
I guess was also explained by Felony and

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expanded on because it's there. You
just really really have to look for it

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and completely divorced the direction in the
acting from the script. There. It's

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truly there. That's not like Star
Wars fan theories, which, making no

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mistake, every single fan theory is
terrible, including anything that I say to

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me too, biggest fan theory Anakin
Skywalker secret hut. I would say,

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there's so much evidence for that.
How have I changed you as Star Trek

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though, Ah, I like it
a lot more than I used to.

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Nope, that's not true. I've
always liked Star Trek, but I feel

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like I respected a heck of a
lot more. Is that true. I

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think that you have deepened my appreciation
of it pretty sincerely. I think that

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is very true, getting to like
really talk about it frankly, you know,

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being able to contextualize it, like
the reminder of contextualization. I feel

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like it's very important for me.
What I've seen something very recently about gosh

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something thinks, Oh it was we
were just talking about this in the Patreon,

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like this Doctor Who episode, which
is just a patreon dot com slash

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truck horse Pod joined the Patreon for
five dollars a month. Someone talking about

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that most recent episode Dott and Bubble
as being probably feelings Delton Race for just

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talking about being as kind of forward
as Star Trek happening in the sixties for

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the first time, and it was
just that reminders me that I was just

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like, yeah, I might sit
here and be like I'm a grum at

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the rioting of these women, or
how clunky this is, but like howmkunky

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this is, but kunky but truly
for sixty seven sixty eight, like so

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much of it holy shit, and
it is very I think there is a

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lot of like being present with that
context I think has been is super important.

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You can simultaneously marvel out the things
that they were able to get on

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TV and at the same time demand
that they should have done better. Yeah,

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you've also given me the freedom to
say, I know this is a

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good episode, but if I'm mad
at it, so I'm gonna give it

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a one. Yeah. All of
this is subjective, objective criticism of art.

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I'm not for it. I'm sure
that there's someone out there who will

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be able to give a good argument
for it. But like every single one

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of us as people, and so
if you are just kind of being like,

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well, let's look at this performance
objectively, is it good? But

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even that objective criticism that you are
assigning to is still at the whims of

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socialized acceptance. Yes, oh yes, John Travolta's terrible performance in Battlefield Earth

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might have been good on the sat
Who knows might have been good to a

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scientologist who knows. Can you imagine
someone is like deeply scientologists is like watching

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and they're like an extraordinary perform breaking
the words desire Hubbard. Hubbard would be

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so proud speaking of appreciating context,
Why don't we give some context for folks

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that didn't necessarily watch these episodes?
What are you doing? We're playing the

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home game right now. What are
they doing? We're playing the home game

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right now? What are they doing? Why aren't they watching, taking care

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of their kids, washing dishes,
taking out the garbage, trying to connect

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with their bodies, connect with their
emotional state, and maybe they're on their

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walk right now, and cut it
all off. Eat Bad, Eat Bad

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Watch Star Wars. I gotta write
that down, dude, Eat Bad Watch

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Star Wars as someone who just finally
did the dishes. Listen, engage with

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your executive dysfunction. Let it win. So, man, I don't know

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what are we doing. I know
that we don't have any merchandise, but

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it would be fabulous to the a
lesion of Trak Wars fans wearing Eat Bad

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Watch Star Wars t shirts everywhere.
Let's get to the plots. Napsis though,

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showing. I'll start with spect of
the Gun once again, aired October

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twenty fifth, nineteen sixty eight,
director Vincent mcavidi, and read lye kron

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It. I think I've heard that
name before somewhere, Lee Kronin. Where

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am I? That's that's that's uh, gene Kune can't believe, Aspen,

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what you know a writer of Star
Trek, You know, a writer of

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Star Trek's pseudonym. You wouldn't have
known that like a year ago. You

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do. Get that to me from
New York Entertainment column is Joan Crosby,

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who previous Specter of the Gun for
her syndicated TV scout com. The review

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goes tonight, the writers of Star
Trek gave the ball to the costume and

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scenic designers with a far away plot
that didn't really require them. The men

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of the Enterprise are due for execution
for trespassing, and their form of capital

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punishment is quite unique. They are
transported to the Old West and to the

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site of the eighteen eighty one OK
Corral battle. They are given the identities

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of the Clanton Gang, and if
you recall your history, the herps did

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quite a job on those Batti's battis. Uh, thank you, Joan Crosby.

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We salute you. That's a good
That was a good description, Joan,

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if you're still alive. Oh my
gosh, wait, I completely forgot

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we have correspondence. Oh my god, oh shit, okay, we gotta

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do that before we get into this. Joan, calm down and wait.

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the subject goes ree two voyagers.
Oh yeah, oh okay, clarifying,

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got it? Did I get this
wrong? Here we go, okay,

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episode shattered. I think I got
this wrong. If that's what it

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is. I have yet to read
this comment fully. Episode Shattered that you

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mentioned Prince is one of my favorites, and Princes has the temporal distortion where

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different parts of the ship are in
different alternate timelines. It's all being experienced

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as one ship by the protag Chakote
assmen's favorite character. Though, episode Deadlock

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is likely the one you're thinking of, where two Voyagers are created by the

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Plebotenum of the Week and they accidentally
start injuring each other parentheses, a lot

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like that TOS episode y'all talked about
some months ago, where the one guy

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is Anty Matter Twitter trying to hunt
each other down the alternative factor, right,

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this episode is not really a favorite
of mine too quote unquote enjoy as

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such, but it's not a fantastic
factoid to bring up that Harry Kim and

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Naomi Wilde from end of season two
onward are replacements for the ones who died

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on the Voyager episode. Of course, Oblivion also fits the bill for having

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two Voyagers, although it's less likely
that you were thinking of this one,

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Editors. No a devastating episode of
television, truly, It's just a good

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horror slash Twilight Zone type app where
everyone on the ship is mysteriously ill and

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diying. They find out halfway through
that they are all a bunch of silver

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Blood duplicates from the Demon class planet
earlier in the season. They all just

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forgot, but this time silver Blood
Harry Kim doesn't make it, not even

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to set a time capsule out from
the blowing up Void. Uh, from

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the blowing up Voyager Janeway Pryan just
shows up to a bunch of space dust.

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At the end of the episode,
It's like, I guess I'll put

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in my logs. I saw some
strange, sad space stuff. Oh,

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I don't think i've seen that episode
Asman, if you're ever just bopping along

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and you're like, I'm ready to
just feel devastated but on course oblivion written

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by Pushing Daisy's own Brian Fuller,
Holy shit, I don't think I yeah,

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because I didn't quite finish Voyager.
I watched all of DS and I,

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oh, we'll get to it,
okay, whenever we are alternating DS

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nine A Voyager episodes. Fun fun, fun fun fun. Anyways, I

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gave this prospector of the Gun as
well as of Correspondent's Oh yes, my

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turn, My turn, Clone Wars
Star Wars the Clone Wars episode Downfall of

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a Droid you already named the date. Just want to call out November seventh,

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two thousand and eight, right after
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I right? No wonder? This
episode felt so hopeful to me. It's

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funny, you know, when Obama
got elect the first time, Barack Obama,

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Barack Obama specifically that person as opposed
to the other Obama. I saw

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a December's concert December's are my favorite
band up in Boston. At the very

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end of it, they played the
song that I really love called Suns and

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Dot and they brought out this cardboard
cutout of Obama and the entire audience was

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like, it was electric. So
yeah, hopefulness, Am I right?

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Anyway? Director Rob Coleman, writer
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had like kind of the same writer
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the first. This is episode one
of a two parter. It does,

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in fact end on a bit of
a on a bit of a cliffhanger that

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does leave you terrified. The ending. The end, it just kind of

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it's like what happens? Yeah,
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And I was just like this is
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design. You know, it's interesting
because some earlier correspondents we got maybe last

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week or the week before about like, does it feel fundamentally fair to compare

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full episodes of Star Trek to what
often happened in the Clone Wars, which

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is like it's a three parter effectively, or a two parter like this.

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And I think we came down on
who cares. No, we came down

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on like, no, this is
a computer screen when Austin airing your argument

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is stupid, stupid, you're dar
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the nature of the thing, right
is that we were like, now,

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this is what it is. It's
one at a time, it's when it's

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released chronologic order. But you know, yeah, this is the first part

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of a two partner, so it
has the sort of feeling of like,

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there's more to this story, but
we got to end here, which is

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an interesting sort of space to be
in. But spickes. So here's the

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official description. Well, let's do
let's do the pot Summer. After suffering

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a series of disastrous defeats at the
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in the Outer Rim is in jeopardy
commission to protect the strategic world of but

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Thawi. Oh no, but Thawi's
always say it, but Sawi, Yeah,

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I'm just gonna keep saying it the
same way, and against Skywalker and

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his wary battle group or all that
stands between the system and the domination by

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the Droid army. And so what
happens is R two D two is lost

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during a fierce space battle. So
Anakin, along with the Soca and a

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replacement Droid R three S six,
must find him before the separatists discover the

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Jedi military secrets locked in his memory
banks. And that is it. So

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it is both about his attachment.
He makes it that it's about oh well,

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I never like, I never clear
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itself is about as attachment. Right, He's like, I am attached to

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the friendship that is Destroid. Also
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established, that that's a thing that
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and it's I mean, I guess
in the past they've done the thing

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where it's like wipe three po's memory, Like this is what's funny. The

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prequel at the very end, like
of The Revenge of the Sith, where

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like Baylor Gunn is like wipe three
pos memory basically, but like, don't

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wipe R two, Jesus Memy,
like like it's very much like, yeah,

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it's not, it's not. Both
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just three po yeah, because Lucas
needed three po to not remember things that

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happened to the prequels. But R
two you can't understand, so it doesn't

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matter exactly. So this is the
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no, for for good reason,
we would wipe their memories because droids could

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be lost, just like now.
But also the I mean the bet to

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question what is the function of droids
within fighters, because it's never really been

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established what it isn't that question now
it's just like what I never thought about

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it. I was just like,
they're just doing stuff. But this episode

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is really great because it by Goldie
whatever Ahsoka calls him, she's fighting hard

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for this buddy. It's our three
unit. It turns out that apparently our

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two unit's our three units do a
lot. Yeah, they do a lot

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of stuff. They don't just like
open doors and shit, like they help

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with navigational guidance and all the other
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yeah, they're not just there to
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Yeah, which has never canonically been
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just kind of handwavy because Star Wars
to this point has really just been dealing

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with it's still that's larger swaths.
It's about emotion and not like Star Trek

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where they're literally sending scripts to Kellum
DeForest Research a company in order to like

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double check the science and make sure
that things make sense. Do you think

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they sent it to them for this
episode? They were like, can you

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double check the science of the Okay
Corral? They did? Yeah, they

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absolutely did. What what is it? What? They sent every script and

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they were talking about the how how
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because they're being depicted in a very
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being overall bad dees and the very
interesting Yeah, I mean I'm pro that

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because a cap but if you do
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funny. But also the Clantons are
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which means that they're still in alliance
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also the IRPs or the earps or
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what the heck is the law There's
this proxy war that is going on

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within the Okay correl. But also
this episode is not about that proxymer It's

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about our heroes and the tension of
what the heck these people do. It's

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it's a classic let's test these characters
by putting them in a wild scenario based

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off of myth of their past,
and they have to deal with archetype.

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I know, we're like skipping around
a lot. We haven't even done our

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first impressions. I like both these
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episodes. I one percent do.
I like the spector of the gun is.

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It's not just that they were sent
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this is for like budget reasons,
I don't know. They're sent to like

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a sort of like just like the
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see of like you're only doing outside
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of a of a set, and
it is actively like it's they call out

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that's like not even finished. It's
sort of like this concept of what these

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these creatures are. They're kind of
these not people, but like the kind

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of creatures that have put there,
I'll say that kind of what they would

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understand it to be. And the
sky is just this constant, wild,

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kind of reddish orange, and it's
like the like the you know, like

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the dream sequence from Oklahoma before,
like when it starts to get like scary

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with Curly, it's just like everything
is like very abstract and we're doing like

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dances and it's like, ah,
I love and it's like, no,

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Curly, it's like, oh,
there's a store. It's quiet love.

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It's you correctly identified exactly why the
sets look the way that they do.

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three. The purse strings are even
tighter on Star trek Let's tighter all across

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the board. They're no longer allowing
over time on shoots, and they are

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crunching down on everything they can afford
to go on location anymore. No Vasquez

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wrong, no Vasquez rocks. And
so from the beginning of this episode,

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Matt Jeffries and the production team are
like, we can have the sets like

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not have walls, and so the
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they're depicting the Okay Corral. And
you couple that with the fact that it's

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canonical within the episode that this is
like drawn from Kirk's memory, it's drawn

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from their collective memory. So it's
not even a realistic version of the Okay

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Corral. It is this expressionistic version
of the Okay Corral. And then you

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couple that with the dread that nothing
works. They are kind of doomed to

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their own fate. Yeah, can
I just yes? Can I just I

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already said yes? Are we According
to Wikipedia Wikipedia becaul know that the majority

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of editors and writers and articles for
Wikipedia are men, non like that's right.

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actually actually a initiative. It's part

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of like the kind of Wikipedia groups
and like the nonprofit to try to encourage

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more like dynamism and like of marginalized
people and like kind of engaging with that

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very interesting dynamism. Fun fact,
so Wikipedia, the conflict between the RBS

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and so other group, the Clantons, And I'm just going to make sure

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because I did read through it,
but I want to make sure I'm getting

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this right, the Clantons were like
at that point, it was still kind

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of like the term was cowhands.
They were cowboys and like that's what they

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call themselves. And they were,
uh, cattle stealers, like they would

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go down to Mexico and steal cattle
and bring them back up and sell them.

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Like they were nuisances. Like they
were very much like lawless people.

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So it's not like they like you
could be like, well, the herbs

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also fucking suck, which I'm sure
they do, but like it's not like

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they're the good guys or like the
herbs are the baddies, you know what

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I mean in terms of the actual
history of the thing. According to these

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are the voyages from Mark Cushman and
Susan Osborne. Uh, the Herbs,

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to the chagrin of Sheriff b hand
and stated a gun ordinance in Tombstone exactly.

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Cow boys refusing to surrender their firearms
upon entering the township were considered to

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be outlaws and subject to arrest.
And okay, persisted they were like the

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lost carrig they persisted. That's why
I feel about NRA members, noverless.

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That's said by them, right,
you know, right, Yeah, exactly.

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So it's law man against loosely organized
group of cattle wrestlers and horse thieves

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called the cowboys. So just as
a kind of clarification about it. And

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then by the time they got to
it, like the conflict itself, like

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the shootout was just like seconds,
pretty pretty wild, like it was so

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fast, and but then like persisted
past that, like like they kind of

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kept going after each other, like
the ones that had survived and stuff.

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So it's definitely pretty wild. A
couple of other things like I learned from

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this, but you know, like
the kind of reveal of Doc Holliday as

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being a dentist. He had been
a dentist where he lived and this might

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have been from like Tennessee, and
became a professional gambler when he moved out

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to the west, which was like
an actual profession at the time, like

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oh, like the two BA gambler, and then became like a law man,

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you know, with the herps.
There's just interesting, interesting kind of

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stuff to go with it. But
so they had The thing that I'm trying

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to wrap my mind around is that
I had sheriff. Did you have a

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sheriff? There's a marshall. Yes, I look this up. It's that

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Virgil Irp was the deputy US Marshall. So that's like we're presuming higher than

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the sheriff of the town because he's
a US Marshal. Okay, so he

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has higher standing. But he was
based in Tombstone. Yeah, so yeah,

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because I mean, this happens in
Tombstone, which, by the way,

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I've been there. I've been in
Dumbstone. I stopped in Tombstone.

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Why is it called Tombstone hominous?
It was called Tombstone before this even happened.

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Sure, I'm sure. Just yeah, beforehand it was like Lucky Clover

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I went to I went there and
there's like one of those like silly little

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like kind of like haunted type of
houses kind of things that you can like

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just like walk through and it gives
you a little bit of like talks about

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the space and then like go let's
come out. I fucking loved it.

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It is very touristy. I loved
it. Tombstone. I'm not sure where

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he was where he's based, So
yeah, it took place in Tombstone.

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Of course, simmering feud. There's
a lot of brothers in this too.

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Too many brothers. We gotta have
less brothers in pop culture. Well we

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got to stop that. Really truly, like hackneyed, I'd say for them

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to all few brothers and father issues. More man should have mother issues and

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fewer brothers. Yeah. So anyways, Yeah, conflict portray with varying degrees

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of accuracy. It's an archetype for
much popular imagery. Associate with the Old

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West, apparently is another fun fact. Again, I'm just kind of quoting

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Wikipedia, but just so you know, because maybe you like hearing it from

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me rather than reading it. It
didn't actually take place, said the Okay

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Coral like itself. It actually took
place in a narrow lot on the side

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of a photography studio. Gunfighting in
the narrow lot. Yep. Not nearly

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as interesting as being in the corral
itself. But I'm still trying to wrap

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my brain. And this is not
important to the episode, not at all,

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because this episode is dealing with not
necessarily the actual like historical accuracy of

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the thing. More like broad strokes, although they definitely look like them if

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you look at pictures, they really
I mean like more or less right like

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they do. The guys playing the
IRBs are like and dot Colit are great

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a so good. I love that
the IRBs or the baddies in this episode

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is very novel considering that, I
mean within our childhood. There were two

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major motion pictures that were made about
the gunfight, the Okay Corral Tombstone and

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Kevin Costner's Whiter Oh that's how I
know that. Yeah, And so it

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persists into the cultural memory. But
it's always that the Irths are the bad

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are the good guys? No,
not here, herbs are the bad guys

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and the heroes are heroes. Kirk's
block, McCoy, Scotty and Chekhov.

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Our cast is the badd's because that's
what the Malcotians do. They make them

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the badd's and then they're I guess
the Malcosons intent is just to execute them

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using a vision of their own violence, which is okay, So the earlier

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version of the script okay. Also, I just want to say, this

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is one of those situations where you
know that bit in Oh my Gosh,

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Star Trek Mike tv awesos, you
know that bitter Austin powers where it's like,

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why are you making us so complicated? Like like like the like Seth

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green Son characters just like just shoot
them. I've got a gun, like,

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let's just shoot them. And it's
like, why does it have to

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become so complicated? That's what this
feels like. Truly, Well get them.

402
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:22.599
Yeah. In the original script from
Gene Coon, I think you had

403
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:30.320
already said that before he did.
The aliens have isolated themselves from humans after

404
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:36.920
intercepting ancient TV and radio signals from
Earth. It is from these signals,

405
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.800
news and entertainment programs three hundred years
in the Earth's past, and the patterns

406
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.920
of Kirk's mind, that the Aliens
choose the surroundings characters to carry out the

407
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:51.440
execution of the Unwelcome to Humans TLDNR. It wasn't just pulling from Kirk's mind.

408
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.679
The aliens were scared because they've been
watching our TV and radio and we're

409
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.199
like, we cannot deal with these
folks. And so to punish you,

410
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:07.280
because we've been inundated with this pop
culture, We're going to make you face

411
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:13.480
clearly what you are all about.
Here's this lesson? Why not keep that?

412
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.119
This concept, again, pulling from
these voyages of Season three that late

413
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.519
twentieth century television programming were causing alien
rates to feel threatened by humans, was

414
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.039
both clever and amusing. However,
in nineteen sixty eight, the networks were

415
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.320
under fire from activist groups and government
regulators regarding too much violence on TV,

416
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.800
ANDBC wanted to present a positive image
of setting examples for America with its programming,

417
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.159
not admitting how entertainment shows depict man
is violent irrational reference to the alien's

418
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:45.079
distrusting humans and believing them to be
violent could stay blaming it on TV had

419
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:52.679
to go Wow, that would have
made the central metaphor a lot more potent

420
00:35:52.920 --> 00:36:00.280
as opposed to kind of drawing it
loosely. Yeah, because as it stays

421
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.400
as I feel like the central metaphor
is kind of lost, as opposed to

422
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.800
they're kind of obsessed with the rules
of how do we get out of this

423
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.679
jam? We're going to die?
At five I did not feel the tension

424
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:22.840
no there, which is unfortunate because
the episode is nothing, but we're going

425
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.440
to be adding tension on top protension
on top of tension. But I think

426
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.079
whenever you know that these characters are
going to get out of this jam,

427
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.239
sure you have to have something else
going on. I mean, the most

428
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.840
tense that God was having Chekhov actively
die. That's that was interesting. I

429
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.000
was like, of course you can't
be really dead, but like, whoa

430
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.519
fuck me? You know, yeah, you know I think the point You're

431
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.000
right that, like, it's the
kind of episode that if it weren't so

432
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.119
visually engaging to me, yes and
just so weird, I might have been

433
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.880
like, I guess it's phone time, you know, because it does sort

434
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.760
of like lose its tension. There
isn't much really bolster it truly. Well,

435
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.639
then there are two questions that I
have one or is a fascinating argument

436
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:16.159
that could have been interrogated more because
Kirk's mission is to engage with the Melcosians.

437
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:22.039
Sure, that's his mission, and
the Melcosians are like, no,

438
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:27.760
go away, But instead Kirk is
like, no, my assignment is to

439
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.320
establish relationships with you. I'm going
to do that. And so there's an

440
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:37.639
imperialist question that is touched on somewhere
in the episode after Chekhov gets shot of

441
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.599
being like should I have done that? Should I have gone away? But

442
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.920
then it just kind of gets hand
waved away, which makes sense because it's

443
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.880
nineteen sixty eight and they're not necessarily
asking those hygh pollutant questions. Instead participating

444
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.159
the exercise My second question is if
it hasn't if it had been Star Wars,

445
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.079
they would have been they would have
been like, are we the imperialist

446
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.320
Battis? Are we the Batis?
And then the second question, and I

447
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.079
think this one might be a little
bit more intentional, albeit kind of simmering

448
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.280
a little bit lower than the intention
is is this just the satire of Westerns

449
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.840
at the time? Not satires and
haha, let's chuckle, but instead kind

450
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:21.159
of interrogating the notions of because what
is most popular on TV? Well,

451
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.559
this is kind of towards the end
of the movement of the Western as a

452
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:32.000
genre, and we have Gunfight at
the OK Corral, arguably the most popular

453
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:42.239
archetype, the most popular real life
story that embodies the American Western genre,

454
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:49.199
something that gets repeated often. DeForest
Kelly, within These The Ways apparently was

455
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:54.119
in three different things that were depicting
Gunfight at the OK Corral, always in

456
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:59.599
a different role wild. And then
you couple that with Vincent mcavitie, who

457
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:07.039
was picked because he has experience filming
Westerns, and then Gene Kuhn who were

458
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.280
in Also Gene Couhn's writing this episode. It's supposed to be a satire of

459
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.360
television that kind of gets removed,
but it's still kind of interrogating. Is

460
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:25.119
this episode intentionally interrogating the Western genre
because the herbs are the baddies, but

461
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.719
the abs are rarely the baddies.
This is cool. This makes a lot

462
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.039
of sense actually that historically or so
not represent would not be represented as the

463
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.719
baddies. And what does this mean
that they are here? Because they are

464
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:46.199
very frightening, very specifically lit in
certain ways. Vincent mcavadie told, at

465
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.039
least the actor that played Whiter or
maybe virtual or either way he gave the

466
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:58.320
direction play these characters are law men
as dead. Oh my god, they

467
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.440
feel that way. Yeah god,
they feel oh god, they're like way

468
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.320
that they're talking. It's it's it's
one of those where it could be if

469
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.159
you didn't if you weren't thinking about
it, and you're just kind of coming

470
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.760
in with a like store Trek is
Old and dumb, you might be like

471
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.400
bad acting. No, it's very
I could tell. I was like,

472
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.000
this is deliberate and too shirt eat
bad watch Star Wars, and then another

473
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.760
shirt that says star Trek is Old
and Dumb, and then the Trek Wars

474
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:29.599
logo on the back to me,
I was like, these are very deliberate

475
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:35.440
performances, and they're terrifying to me. Like it's an extremely stylized episode,

476
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:40.039
and it starts from them being like
our budget is cut, let's have some

477
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:45.280
novel production design, and then from
there everything just kind of goes outward.

478
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:51.280
Like it's like Sam Ray, It's
like Evil Dead being so interesting because of

479
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.920
having like not having a lot of
money and making some of the most the

480
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:59.320
coolest visuals you could possibly see.
You know, I love this so good.

481
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.360
People Dead, all the Evil deads, all the Evil deads. I

482
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.480
haven't watched all the TV show.
I've only watched the first season that was

483
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.320
I had to muscle my way through
that first season. It was hard times

484
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:14.679
with this. I love ash Ver, I love that, but also Evil

485
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:21.480
Dead Rise great. Yeah, that
was a really good movie. Yeah anyway,

486
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.880
Inspector of the Gun is a possible
satire of Westerns people that are in

487
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.960
the midst of the Western genre of
being like, let's let's what are we

488
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.679
what are we doing? What are
we doing here? What making all these

489
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.679
Westerns? What are we doing?
Yeah? That is really it's really interesting

490
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.000
and as someone who doesn't have a
lot of context for what it might have

491
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.679
been like at the time, like
kind of being like everything at another Western

492
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.119
Again, I want to reiterate,
I'm not sure if this is an intentional

493
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.239
satire, but also everything is so
abstracted that I can't help but be like,

494
00:41:54.400 --> 00:42:01.960
are these folks saying something about the
Western genre? Yeah, I mean

495
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.840
it'd be really fascinating. I mean, let's pull it this way. Maybe

496
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.440
they are, or maybe they aren't. Let's decide they are. What would

497
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:15.079
they be satirizing in terms of what
like the Western genre represents a cap Truly

498
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:22.079
it is because the Clantons are depicted
as the Clantons are our heroes, and

499
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:28.159
they are they are ostensibly our protagonists. And then not only that, but

500
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.280
like the sheriff of the town is
in leak with them, and our heroes

501
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:37.440
are like, we didn't do anything
wrong. Meanwhile, the the IRBs that

502
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:45.119
we have lionized within popular culture are
portrayed as these dead specters. More or

503
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:50.639
less their gaze is all open,
and whenever they try to negotiate with them,

504
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.199
they're like, I don't care,
We're going to shoot you at five

505
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:59.360
o'clock. And then the only way
that they can this is where this notion

506
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:04.599
gets a little bit wonky because the
end of the episode involved a spock very

507
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.440
coolly mine melding with the rest of
them and being like, just believe that

508
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:15.719
the bullets don't exist, thereby breaking
the archetype, and then oh gosh,

509
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.079
in the original episode they were just
going to have a big honkin fight.

510
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.280
Instead, Kirk fights one of them
a little bit, and then oh yeah,

511
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.239
the camera pushes in and it pushes
back out, and then they star

512
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.599
Trek by being like, we've grown
past violence. They do. I like

513
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.159
that they star Trek. Yeah.
Yeah. The only time that that messaging

514
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:44.519
the like sounds like the earlier the
earlier script messaging of like are we encouraging

515
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:50.159
violence? Like are we? It
comes out there where it's like he he

516
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.039
was so angry, like you killed
supposedly Checkov, like I want to kill

517
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.719
you, but then existed, and
that does become the point of like well,

518
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.519
and he even explicitly says like we've
grown past this violence, which they

519
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.840
have not, which is the great
notion. And then in later iterations of

520
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.679
Star Trek they will be like that
instinct was never there, as opposed to

521
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:15.559
this episode where you're exrely right,
yeah, that instinct was there, but

522
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.199
I made the conscious choice not to
exercise that, so I guess to connect

523
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:24.800
it with the satirizing of the Western, instead deciding to break these stories and

524
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.920
instead being like, we are not
going to engage with you. We believe

525
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:37.719
these archetypes to be false. Westerns
are inherently violent, like they're about rough

526
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:44.800
living. Uh, they're about cowboys
and they're about uh there oftentimes, or

527
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.239
like there's a lot of like indigenous
peoples who are also seen as savage,

528
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.800
as there's a lot of death in
violence, and it's like digging into that

529
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.480
the depths of like what it is
to be human. We are violent inherently,

530
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.440
like put us out into the West
where there are no rules and suddenly

531
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.320
we kill each other kind of idea. And there is an interesting like if

532
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.280
we're saying we're actually doing this in
the context of a show that is saying

533
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:13.679
no, we can be more than
this, that would make sense, which

534
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:20.159
is interesting because this notion begins with
Kirk being ordered to participate in an imperialism.

535
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:25.800
Oh establish, but it's also saying
that our imperialism actually is different now

536
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.639
as opposed to a thing it actually
embodied the notions that they purport at the

537
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:36.519
end of the episode, they would
have just turned the ship around and being

538
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:37.320
like, you know what, they
don't really want to talk to us.

539
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:44.400
That's why. Yeah, they definitely
are violated very clearly set boundaries. Yeah,

540
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.159
but also like we have to have
an episode of Star Trek. It's

541
00:45:46.199 --> 00:46:08.320
true, Yeah, man taking part
in an imperialism start. I I kept

542
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.400
wanting to make a joke that was
just like, do you think Anakin was

543
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.880
giving into his likes baser instincts when
he killed all these women and children?

544
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:25.280
I think so. I think,
so let's interrogate that. Let's interrogate that.

545
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.559
Actually, let's interrogate like, let's
okay, can we talk about okay,

546
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.559
so like a similarity of like systems
of power like within like what's happening

547
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:40.360
in Clone Wars and like what's happening
in Star Trek. You know there is

548
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.480
not to like pull too hard at
this, but let's see what let's se

549
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:49.320
where we get we already pulled really
hard respector of the gun. Let's pull

550
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.760
Let's I hope that our listeners enjoy
us pulling and trying to make thematic sense

551
00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:00.559
and figuring out what this art means
to us. Because I I loved this

552
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.840
Clone Wars episode. I love them
all attely Do. He was unexpected.

553
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.559
I mean, on top of the
Clone. We've been talking, I have

554
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.639
been talking a lot about we're setting
plates, we're plate setting, and this

555
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.440
episode feels like we're digging. We're
digging in yeah, because we are exploring

556
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:25.599
what Anakin's like. Anakin's connections to
not just people, but also to his

557
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:31.079
droid, his relationship with a soakap, touch of his relationship with Obi Wan,

558
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:38.280
some fun action pieces, but Anakin, I don't know what I'm trying

559
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:45.920
to get to here. But like
they are representative, they're of a republic,

560
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.119
but they are like they're chadhai art. We're peacekeepers until now we're engaging

561
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.159
in this war in which we are
now generals and we are effectively part of

562
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:59.960
like a hierarchical structure that is enforcing
order. That's going to be your ultimate

563
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.599
right. We've got people below us. We have to have a hierarchy,

564
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.079
we have to give orders, we
have to go through this. Anakin consistently

565
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.760
breaks that constantly, like he is
he is not following orders. He is

566
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.320
always going off track. He goes
off track in this one, like the

567
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.840
whole piece of it is they are
like, we need to retreat, and

568
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.360
he's like, no, Like at
the very beginning of the episode, you

569
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:28.519
know, like we're I'm going to
make this happen. And I wonder about

570
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.840
that in terms of like breaking of
systems of power is the baddie, you

571
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.800
know, Whereas our episode of Star
Trek was a little bit about the interrogation

572
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:43.840
of power structures the way that we
perceive them, and I don't know our

573
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.559
idealistic power structure that's to picted in
Star Trek, right, and instead deciding

574
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:53.559
to reject violence, reject the tropes
that have been put forth, and instead

575
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:59.199
embarking on let's do this together.
I know it's hard, but we mean,

576
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:05.639
we really will choose to mean well
even whenever it hurts us. And

577
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:10.360
this episode of the Clone Wars,
I think you're saying is to go back

578
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.800
to our discussion about his Star Wars, a Western Anakin seems to be embodying

579
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.719
that lone gun slinger attitude that Richie
is. He always does and I always

580
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.079
get a little time less. I'm
so smart, You're so smart. No,

581
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.880
you're just so mut Thank you for
actually like putting into words what I

582
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.360
was trying to say you're so smart
audience, don't we think so smart?

583
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:37.599
No? Stop stop, don't make
this sing, don't make this sing.

584
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.719
Oh my god, No, it's
just fine. Thank you for distilling that.

585
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.440
I'm trying to get to it.
I'm off a little bit like ooh

586
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:50.920
boys. And it can go against
my statement that Star Wars is about collective

587
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:55.000
action by being such an individualistic person, but I think that is inherently part

588
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:59.760
of it, like his individual choices
do break from the norm, and they

589
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.760
often and succeed, which is complicated
because he is ultimately the bad deep but

590
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:10.719
also uh to steal Joyce Holloway's wonderful
notion of protagonist and is propaganda and also

591
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.840
we we we want to be the
lone gun slinger. Yes too, we

592
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.400
do, and so an again,
it's exercising it. But also at the

593
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.199
what is so great about this episode
is everyone even though we know our two,

594
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.440
we love our two, Yes,
seeing him in concert, seeing him

595
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:34.559
alive, exquisitively all his albums,
bought all of his albums, so we

596
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.719
know R two, we love our
two, And this episode is really good

597
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.840
at making us much like a curious
dog tilt our head and being like,

598
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.280
it's all of this worth it.
I mean, it is R two D

599
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:51.199
two, but also I know he
has just one droid, yeah, which

600
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.440
as implications in and of itself about
how we feel about droids who clearly have

601
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.480
feelings and emotions. Hate it whenever
Star Wars brings up droid rights because then

602
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.440
it brings up so many questions about
the movies that I love. Ahsoka literally

603
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:09.840
like says, there's this that Goldie
the R three units. She's like,

604
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:14.880
you hurt his feelings, and I'm
just like, oh boy, I mean

605
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.800
like we know, but you like
actively called it out. Yeah, while

606
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.559
at the same time being like,
but R two doesn't matter that much exactly,

607
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.119
but it's almost like they're treating him
for what it's worth. In this

608
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:28.800
I think there is a bit of
a like he's just a droid, but

609
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.960
there almost treating him like a fallen
soldier, Like soldiers die all the time

610
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.960
in war. Why should we care
so much about this one? But the

611
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.079
show has established up to this point
that no, you do matter individually,

612
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.440
Like even if you are just just
a clone quote unquote, you're still a

613
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.360
person who matters, or least has
tried really hard to go out of its

614
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.239
way to say that. So there's
a little bit of both the ending here.

615
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.280
But is that individual sacrifice or is
that individual gunslan your attitude worth it

616
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:02.519
whenever you are putting other people right
in such naked danger. Right, because

617
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.760
the Gunslinger stuff works when he has
an idea that works and everybody's got his

618
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.840
back and it's clever and like we
can all do it together. But what

619
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:14.960
does it look like when it's like, oh, it never clear his memory?

620
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.800
Oh shit, Yeah, and I'm
or like, even if that hadn't

621
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.840
been the case, I'm going to
go after him because I love him truly.

622
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:29.480
Yeah? Is that individual notion that
is driven so much by naked emotion

623
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:37.199
versus gunslinger routoos, which might be
more wonderful thing that Last Jedi is able

624
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:43.159
to subvert? So do we like
the Last Jedi? Love Last Jedi?

625
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:49.400
Were you talking about it's my favorite
Star Wars movie? Do we like I'm

626
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:54.880
so sorry, everybody, We're not
sorry, so you know, not sorry,

627
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.719
and also attempt to try and like
all of it because it's fun.

628
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.239
But sometimes I just don't like things, uh like Rise of Skywalker movie?

629
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:13.719
Whoa anyways, Yeah, sorry,
Loan Gunslinger. I mean whenever Luke turns

630
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.199
off his targeting computer. That's Loan
gunslinger attitude. But also he's connecting with

631
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:24.440
daff force, the force that's less
based in emotion and more like, hmmm,

632
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:30.440
I think this is gonna work balance
as opposed to hear where it's so

633
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:38.039
motivated by attachment disorder. Can we
just clarify really quickly the way that the

634
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:45.320
Jedi approach attachment is fucked, but
you are correct and that he very much

635
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:51.920
has a disorganized attachment disorder. Yes, that's a great clarification. I appreciate

636
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:58.079
that you just genuinely for good reason. It's like, everybody's gonna leave me.

637
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.719
I'm terrified people I love dying for
a good reason. Yeah, and

638
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.440
the Jedi are like, get over
it. Yeah, that's your job.

639
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.119
Fuck is wrong with you? As
opposed to being like, yeah, oh

640
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.800
boy, we are all sad at
all times. Yeah, Like, he's

641
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.280
truly part of life. What does
that mean for us? Here is how

642
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.800
let me work with you to help
you make peace with it? Because I

643
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:29.639
am also sad. There are greater
truths that we can access because this is

644
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:34.719
part of the palace of life.
You make a really good Jedi. Uh

645
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.119
Yeah, aspen. Get over your
attachment this way, that's what a Jedi

646
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:42.119
would do. Knock it off.
I know that you're sad, but Jedis

647
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:46.920
don't get sad. Don't worry about
not being said. Have you let me

648
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.960
run this bike? You could just
not be sad. You just choose.

649
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.280
You could just choose to. I
know that you're sad, but I am

650
00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:00.519
not sad. So why are you
not like that? Have you tried yoga?

651
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.719
Have you tried? Oh? Nice
yoga? Chardon? Okay, yoga.

652
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:07.920
That's the little guy, right,
the little green guy? And uh,

653
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.239
what is it? Empire knocks off? I love Star Wars. Asking

654
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.719
me any question about Star Wars,
I'll answer it. Yeah. What's your

655
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:21.280
favorite character from uh, the Phantom
Menace? What's that to? Your favorite

656
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.480
character from The Phantom Menace? Which
one is that? First episode one?

657
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:30.360
Oh? Yes, yes, Luke
Skywalker love that guy? Sure, favorite

658
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.079
character from episode one? Concept of
Luke Skywalker's strong m hmm, what what's

659
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:42.440
up? Downfall of a droid?
Great? Uh, it's our three a

660
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.800
spy. Yes, I mean I
imagine, sorry, shit, I have

661
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:51.840
seen these okay, but it's basically
called out. It's basically called out.

662
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:55.880
Though in this episode, there is
nothing more that I like than aspent reflexively

663
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:02.920
just answering, because I've never seen
these episodes so exciting. I'm pretty sure.

664
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:08.440
Yes. And also in this episode, in the episode you can't back

665
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.039
pedal, you gat to be the
answer, R three is a spine.

666
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:19.360
You can't backpedal. You said yes
so confidently and then attempted to backpedal.

667
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.480
Well, but like Grievous legit is
just like, hey, the plant is

668
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.599
working. The only way that plan
would be working is if AR three got

669
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.920
him there on purpose? What's the
plan? Like, it's like, there,

670
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:30.960
I don't know by this time,
what is it. By the time

671
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.559
they get to that episode, it's
like he's gone. He's you know,

672
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.280
used the cool hyperdrive ring. Everybody
who gone through space found him. And

673
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:43.119
then very specifically R three like you
like, AR three can't be that shit.

674
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:47.320
Come on, he like basically h
fucks everything up and then like gets

675
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.000
him like drops the hyperspace ring,
pulls him out of it, and then

676
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:57.320
that gets blown up by Grievous and
the ship and like won't do anything even

677
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.199
he actually activates the beacon, and
that's that's the point where Greeves is just

678
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.800
like, great, this is the
plan. So that's why I feel like

679
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.599
I feel like it's like, come
on, come on. If he's like

680
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.840
the Beacon is part of the plan, then Arthree's gotta be a baddie,

681
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:19.679
which he is, because you confirmed
it. Goddamn it questioned? Is Arthree

682
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:23.559
a spye? God damn it?
Love it? I love him. I

683
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.320
love it with all the joy in
your face. Just reflectully so great.

684
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.880
There are a few better in this
world than Aspen Webster. I gotta say,

685
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.840
Ahsoka really pulls for him. And
I think the only reason I remembered

686
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:40.159
it so distinctly is because she was
like, fuck shit, okay. I

687
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:45.159
don't know. I think she's like
it's funny because I remember the first time

688
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.159
I watched it. I think I
was like, why are you so on

689
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.480
the side of this droid? And
now I'm like, well, she's not.

690
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.360
She doesn't care necessarily about the droid. She's worried about Anakin and is

691
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:02.159
the loss so distinctly that she'sry to
She's trying to do some parenting of her

692
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:08.360
surrogate parent, which is a danger. Dude. Remember, Ahsoka is fourteen

693
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.320
years old here, fourteen too young. I don't think anyone should be that

694
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.079
young. No, I think it
should be illegal to be that young.

695
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.199
Yeah, I think you should start
off at twenty four. Yeah, right,

696
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.960
just like and even then kind of
dicey, yeah, I mean even

697
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.840
know about that? Right? Oh, thank god? I think really a

698
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.800
hit. Like when it was twenty
seven, maybe twenty eight, I was

699
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:37.159
like, Okay, we're getting better. Sure, So yeah, she's fourteen.

700
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.400
She's also making major military decisions right, like, she's she's doing a

701
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:45.440
lot of shit fourteen years old.
She's parenting her older brother slash parents,

702
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.000
I know, pretty desperate. There. There's a lot of really cool things

703
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.800
that happen like that episode, just
like Rules, it's a great app and

704
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:59.119
it's given me the emotional depth that
I've kind of been looking for. And

705
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.079
I guess the Clone war so far, but you know, it's the understanding

706
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.599
that the stuff will start getting deeper, the fur that we go on,

707
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:12.639
and I love I love the complex
characterization. Also the thing that the prequels

708
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.719
and also Gandy Tartakowski I think was
guilty of, which is did you know

709
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.320
that Anakin Skywalker is going to be
Darth Vader as opposed to the context here,

710
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:24.800
which is just like, no,
he's making some stupid emotional decisions.

711
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:34.639
He's just a buddy. They go
they go to that like it's the ship

712
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:38.719
that like kind of picks up detritus
and stuff, and the like main dude

713
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.880
is that they call They call him
Lizardo for her what species that he is,

714
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.639
But he's the same species as like
a character in Bad Badge that is

715
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:53.199
great Lizardo, which I'm pretty sure
is a Bucker Bonds I wrath. Have

716
00:59:53.320 --> 01:00:00.000
you see that movie? Asmen?
Now? Whoa Buckero Bonds is like Avengers

717
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:07.039
Infinity War but without the bummer ending. And also in the eighties where you

718
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.639
were just watching it, you're like, what is all of this? What

719
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:14.760
is that? It would be the
experience I'm show never having watched Marvel and

720
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.440
watching Avengers Infinity War and you're just
like, I don't understand any of this.

721
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.599
That's what the Avengers of buck Roup
Bonds. I yes, it is

722
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:27.000
wild. Jeff Goldplum plays a cowboy
in New Jersey. Don amen, Uh.

723
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.239
He's one of my favorite moments.
So like what it was like they

724
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:34.159
come up and they're like, you
know, obviously not going to be like

725
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:39.719
we're Jedi, and he calls he
calls the Soka Pokems and I loved that,

726
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:44.360
Like, he's just like Pokem's ears
really sat on an R two unit.

727
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:50.199
It's also the introduction I think of
those. Is it the introduction of

728
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.000
the assassin droids? They show up
later, of course in Mandalorian, and

729
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:58.800
this might be the first time.
Oh yes, in general the IG eighty

730
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:04.320
eight, Yeah, which is fantastic, It's really cool stuff. Oh I

731
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.840
didn't like that decision? You didn't, no, because I'm stealing this from

732
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:14.440
Star Wars Minute, which is such
a rad podcast. But that notion in

733
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:19.199
Star Wars that you see one thing
and suddenly whenever you dig into the extended

734
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.800
universe, Candon, you're like,
actually all of them are this way as

735
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:28.519
opposed to it's just a droid that
happens to be an assassin, but all

736
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.679
of those droids are assassins. That's
really more of a quibble. But I

737
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:35.840
just like the it's just I think, just like the prospect of IG eighty

738
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.519
eight just being a droid that happened
to be an assassin as opposed to a

739
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:44.960
legion of assassin droids. Does that
make sense? Am I smart? I

740
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:50.960
mean for sure that makes sense.
This came out before Mandalorian. So these

741
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:57.159
droids are like designated as assassin droids. No start, But there's IG eighty

742
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:01.559
eight and Empire strikes back. Oh
my god, you're right. I G

743
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:06.719
e is the is the one of
the bounty hunters. Oh my god,

744
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.840
you're absolutely right. So you're you're
right, You're right, You're right.

745
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:12.519
I do I am with you.
Then that it's like maybe that's just a

746
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.920
droid that's a bounty hunter versus Oh
no, they're all yeah, no,

747
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.400
I'm with you. You're you see
you see a Yoda and suddenly all of

748
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:28.079
the Yodas from that plane a short. It's another thing that grinds my gears.

749
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.239
I don't like that grogu is fifty
something years old. Yeah, it

750
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:35.719
does in terms of like I'm like, what does he do just like have

751
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:40.199
a huge growth spurt, like over
the next ten what happens? How does

752
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:45.360
his development work? Yeah? No, no, no, you're right.

753
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:53.039
I had completely forgotten about Empire.
Wow, slap my hand rast or whatever

754
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:58.960
you want to slap my face,
like my face, No, I'm like,

755
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:04.719
I'm not. But you have that
notion of extended universe canon where it

756
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.599
like, you mean an accountant in
the movies, and then you read the

757
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:12.159
extended universe, and it's just like
he actually comes from a planet of accountants,

758
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.880
all of them. The whole whole
planet is one big accounting firm.

759
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:21.280
Oh wait, you mean what do
you? Are you a friend to something

760
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:30.320
making? I think? Are you
saturrizing something a long time ago? Start

761
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:35.639
dating this week? I quoted a
boat, I dated a game, but

762
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:43.440
none of them could work my drive
into high birth space. The best of

763
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:52.199
both worlds can meet in the second
place, Captain slog on a Halla Kron.

764
01:03:52.920 --> 01:04:00.119
I wanted a song. I penned
a song seventeen more minutes advised and

765
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:13.679
super high aboard the USS Enterprise dt
F. Don't you take my walk lighter

766
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:18.119
and clip it? Don't you take
my wretchard buddy and nip it? If

767
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:24.840
you spill the tea, I'm gonna
snip bit a starship. What are we

768
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:28.079
doing? Oh? Oh my god, I can't have to tell you something.

769
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:32.159
Okay, you know the television program
I'm actually on, Dropout. Yes,

770
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:38.639
they just did this as like a
shiny question like question, and it

771
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:43.000
was basically they had to choose between
they gave They gave a like a name,

772
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.000
and it was either supposed to be
like a ship, you know,

773
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:50.039
name like a romantic relationship like Railo, or is it a a starship?

774
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:56.719
And I was like, that's ours. They stole something from Track Wars.

775
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:01.000
Still, they clearly have listened.
And if he come on the Poe anyway,

776
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:04.239
Come on the Pope anyway, Brian
David Gilberg, come on the Pope.

777
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.000
No, I thought. I got
so excited because obviously what we're doing

778
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.760
is we're naming our favorite ships,
starships that sail to the stars in our

779
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.360
favorite romantic relationships. Well, the
ships don't necessarily sail through the stars this

780
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:23.519
week. That's true, That's very
true. Oh my gosh, I didn't.

781
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.800
I was doing so much shut around
the Okay Corral, but I didn't

782
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.159
even stop to think about this.
Not only did I think about it,

783
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.719
I wrote it down. Oh fantastic. You can go first, which starship

784
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:40.480
I'm going to say? And this
is going to create a great discussion on

785
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:44.360
one of the most dynamic action scenes
that they've seen, or the most novel

786
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.800
action scenes that I've seen in the
Clone Wars so far, the six leg

787
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:51.519
at attes. Those Okay, that
would have been mine. I did bucker

788
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:59.880
love those things. Oh I love
them so much because Grievous is the Republic

789
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.199
is around the planet because they're trying
to protect the planet, and Grievous is

790
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:09.280
like we grievous in an allusion to
the Star Trek two. Maybe probably not,

791
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:15.519
It's more likely Folony just being like
in filmmakers, not just Folony being

792
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.559
like, why don't they just go
Why don't they just go up? I

793
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.920
say that all the time. Why
don't they just dance? And the answer

794
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:27.360
is because it would be a strategic
risk. Instead, we have to go

795
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:31.360
through the rocks because it's going to
give us more beat. It's just going

796
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.800
to be better. We're gonna have
more cover. Is riskier, sure,

797
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:40.360
but it's going to pay off because
the Republic would not be crazy enough to

798
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:45.800
go through it because they can't lose
forces. So put those asteroids looked like

799
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:55.519
potatoes, that's all. That's probably
because an empire strikes back. There were

800
01:06:55.559 --> 01:07:00.480
actual potatoes as asteroids in the background. I didn't that. Yeah, I'm

801
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.320
so happy I did not notice that. I'm glad that you noticed that.

802
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:12.840
That's probably why I'm so happy.
And so the Republic stations some attes along

803
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:19.760
with clones on the asteroids, it's
very cool. The Felony Zone revealed that

804
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:25.119
again they have limited assets. They
don't want to build new stuff, and

805
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:29.519
so they had. What they did
have was attes, which created a very

806
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:33.480
novel action set piece by putting the
attes on the asteroids, and so whenever

807
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:39.360
Grievis's ship comes through, they start
firing. It's very cool. And then

808
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:44.880
you couple that with the fact that
the atte looks really cool. It's like

809
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.199
a little beetle it does. It
looks like a little insect. Oh God,

810
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.320
I love it. It's a great
set piece. I absolutely love it.

811
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:59.159
It was a fantastic, fantastic battle. I have been looking up because

812
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.159
I I did remember there was a
ship that I was like, wowho,

813
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.480
I love this ship. I just
don't know the name of it, but

814
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.599
maybe if I describe it, you'll
know what I'm talking about, which is

815
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:15.400
they look like Battlestar Galactic as ships. They're separatist ships and they just had

816
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.039
such they're the ones I think they're
the ones that were they were going after

817
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:24.880
Anakin when he had come up on
light light speed and like he did that

818
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.359
fun thing where he had the missiles
shot at him and he kind of like

819
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.000
stopped and then all the missiles sort
of like came together, and then he

820
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.399
like shot at the missiles and blew
them all up at the same time.

821
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:38.000
Was very cool. And there are
these very specific kind of ships that were

822
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:43.039
so battlestarted to me. They might
have enjoyed try fighters that might have been

823
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:47.439
like what they were, but I
just loved the look of them very specifically.

824
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:50.399
Do you know the ones I'm talking
about? I do not know what

825
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.600
the ones that you're talking about.
I might have to scroll through the episode

826
01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.520
later in order to literally just see
what you're talking about. Listeners, if

827
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:03.880
you know what the ship is that
she's talking about, please ride in correct

828
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.880
us, just like Juilty partner corrected
me on that episode of Star Trek Voyager,

829
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:13.399
which I truly appreciate. Yeah,
I mean a second second place is

830
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.000
whatever the fuck that thing is At
the beginning of the Specter of the Gun.

831
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.479
Oh, I looked, but I
compared episodes. It's almost like it's

832
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.560
like a booie out there that's spinning
and I'm like, what is going on

833
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:27.359
with anything? It kind of looks
like a horrus earpiece but just doubled.

834
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:32.159
Yeah, basically, the new version
just looks a lot like the old versions,

835
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.800
just like spinning, like a spinning
top in space. I didn't really

836
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:40.800
like that thing. Their goal with
the remastered versions was to try and approximate

837
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:45.520
the original versions as closely as possible, because also they were doing this in

838
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:50.600
the wake of the Star Wars Special
Edition, and so they were like,

839
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.920
we can't change it too much,
but also we want to update it.

840
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:59.800
Yeah, the updates are really lovely. I just really like original stuff.

841
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.560
Yeah, I love gosh. I
love the way that it looks originally.

842
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.279
I know that they're worried about it
looking rough and stuff, and I'm just

843
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:12.319
like, this looks gorgeous. I
love the grain texture on the ships.

844
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.159
Yeah. Also, it just reminds
me as a film dude to be like

845
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:24.319
this stuff is hard. Yeah.
Yeah, you were literally seeing the fruits

846
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:27.600
at their labor because they No one
had ever made a Star Trek before,

847
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:33.239
no one and ever remained science fiction
TV like that before there was other science

848
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:38.880
fiction case in point, lost in
space. But it just feels radically different.

849
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:41.760
Yeah. I love it. I
love it, But I mean it's

850
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:45.520
the same reason I very much like
the original Star Wars. Apart from all

851
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.359
of the Great Man shit. You
know, it's more just like I mean

852
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:53.239
just said it earlier, Like if
someone came in and was like, let's

853
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.800
make these special effects an evil dead
better, I'd be like, fuck off.

854
01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:02.279
They're like what is created like has
spirit to it. And like I

855
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:10.159
again, I think the remastered Star
Trek is very beautiful and they are definitely

856
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.840
components of like the remastered Star Wars
are beautiful, but there's some like real

857
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:18.560
joy. Yeah. And also the
difference with the Star Trek remastered is that

858
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:25.800
you can go buy the original versions. Whenever you buy the Blu ray or

859
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:30.199
shoot even on Amazon, you can
go buy the original versions. The versions

860
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.600
that are streaming on Paramount Plus are
the remastered ones, but you can go

861
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:39.640
find the original ones and a extremely
high quality. Yeah. That's not the

862
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:45.119
case with the original Star Wars.
You had to go through different channels to

863
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.079
go find things. And then the
weird thing is that those original versions have

864
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:57.920
those restoration efforts have gone to the
fans. There's this fascinating ownership of that.

865
01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:06.640
Uh. And that's why I ship
fans. You ship yourself with the

866
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:10.920
fans. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, gosh, I never want to

867
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:15.600
ship myself at Star Wars fans.
Okay, what's your what's your ship?

868
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.279
What's your real ship? Check off
in Sylva, Okay, you took it.

869
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.720
That's fine, it's a good one. They really there's a lot of

870
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.920
kissing. There's a lot of kissing
and then check off at some points,

871
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.840
like I gotta look if we're gonna
go the distance, I gotta tell you

872
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:36.520
I'm not actually part of the Clantons. I'm actually Pabo Chekhov, to which

873
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:42.359
Sylvia is like, no, you're
not, You're one of the Clantons,

874
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:45.319
Aspen. Would you like to hear
the gross thing that Jeane Roddenberry wanted this

875
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.279
week? Oh my god, let
me think about it for a second.

876
01:12:53.600 --> 01:13:00.960
Okay, Jeanie Beanie can't help himself. Geenie Beanie can't He can't help but

877
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:05.920
be disgusting. What do you want? Re check off? And Sylvia again

878
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:11.720
from these are the voyages, yeap, grab onto your microphoneouncement. I don't

879
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.159
want to excel us. Hit it. Yeah, just grab on. I've

880
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:15.560
got a problem with hitting this microphone. Let's see if we can get away

881
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:20.520
with making Sylvia about sixteen years old
what, or at least suggesting she's just

882
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:25.520
a kid. For one thing,
this is how it was in the true

883
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.319
Old West. And for another and
make sure kind of special in ties in

884
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.439
with the youth image we hope to
get up check off and our young Russian

885
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:35.119
would certainly have some interesting comments to
make about how America's history included the using

886
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:46.079
of tender young things for that age
of such purposes. I quit, please,

887
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.359
please know, I don't want to
do this podcast with anyone else.

888
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:54.000
I gotta quit. No, please
don't, please, don't go. Dear

889
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:58.720
Mountain Berry's dead, right, yeah, very dead, very dead. Do

890
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:10.439
you want to up as bounds and
curse them that I follow you and do

891
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:16.199
the after life? Oh my god? I like that multiple times, like

892
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.600
do you know what Genie Beanie wanted
to do here? And like someone was

893
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:25.119
able to be like no no,
no no no no no no no no

894
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:28.279
no some of them, but it
sounds like the worst of them people were

895
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.239
like my, my dude, my
bro. It's just way too often that

896
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:35.479
Gene comes in as like what there's
a sex thing? Oh my god,

897
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:41.079
get out of here. It's so
weird. And then also what's going to

898
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:46.680
be great? And I hope that
you can keep this in mind for way

899
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:50.159
later down to the podcast history,
but sex just kind of goes away in

900
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:56.880
Star Trek. It just stops boring. I mean that's the thing. It's

901
01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:59.319
not like I want that kind of
gross sex, but I want there to

902
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:01.359
not be set x, you know, like I just wanted to be like

903
01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:05.840
not pedophiling. Well, the weird
thing is that sex kind of goes away,

904
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:11.000
but hot ladies are still all over
the place in Star Trek. Got

905
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:15.319
it, but it's just never talked
about and then it's weird and gross.

906
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:19.239
So there's still sexualization. Oh yeah, just without agency. Cool you throw

907
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:28.840
it away? Yeah, ah,
cool, Mine would be McCoy and Doc

908
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:36.239
Holiday shut up. McCoy walks into
the sort of dentist space because he's looking

909
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:41.920
for materials to to knock them out, and like you mentioned earlier, they

910
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:45.560
don't. They're not working because this
is about like believing in the thing.

911
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:51.239
And back up, you haven't talked
about the fact that they try to make

912
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:56.600
a tranquilizer grenade. Yes, a
tranquizer grenade. It was really rad,

913
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:02.720
very cool. It's really cool,
and it's because they couldn't like use guns

914
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:08.640
or certain things. And goes in
with this NBC tenet of we don't want

915
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:12.239
our characters to be building like a
gun, and Leonard de Moyer was like,

916
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:14.960
I don't want my character building a
phaser. He would be building a

917
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.239
communicator or something, try and get
us out of here. And the compromise

918
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:26.960
was this rad tranquilizer that should have
worked because whenever they're talking, McCoy screams,

919
01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:29.880
not screens, but McCoy's like,
give me a mortar and pestel.

920
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.319
Oh, I wanted to ask you, I've got a question. Yeah,

921
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:36.520
if you were to pronounce that word, would you say pestle or pestlet because

922
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:44.800
McCoy says pestle and then Kirk says
pestel. Huh, what do you want?

923
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:45.920
What do you want? To be
true? I want I noticed it.

924
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:50.720
I noticed it so specifically I would
say, I would say hand solo,

925
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:56.640
hey, I would say Leah,
I would say I knew someone I

926
01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:04.319
had. I would say look ski
Walker in college named Forrest and the forrests

927
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:09.000
so like spelled like Paris but with
an F, but it was Forrest,

928
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:13.000
and another one of my friends could
literally like. I would be like,

929
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.239
so, Forrest standing right here wants
to go see a movie, and my

930
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.920
friend would always be like, oh, Ferris is that what you want,

931
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:23.720
and I'm just like, Forrest has
said this, and he'd just be like

932
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:27.359
Ferris, and I was just like, how is this possible? Like I

933
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:30.760
don't understand how we could be doing
this. You can literally just repeat what

934
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:35.479
you were saying Forrest anyway. That's
why I was just That's why I noted

935
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:39.079
it is so funny, because I
was like, one explicitly said pestle on

936
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:41.520
one said pestle, and then I
was like, I don't actually know hous

937
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:47.159
pronounced mccoyday they're kissing. So he
comes into that space to get the materials

938
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:54.920
for this fun little tranquilizer like bomb
which rules, and he's like he goes

939
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:58.720
into the dentist's office basically and he's
just like, oh, so soul work.

940
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:02.119
And this guy I was like standing
there over someone who has god such

941
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:08.920
a good reveal, like, oh
my god, act just being like you're

942
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.920
gonna chill in his barber chair and
we're gonna put like a towel over you.

943
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.520
You just chill. McCoy is just
like looking at stuff and he's like,

944
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:17.439
I'm gonna take some of those,
you know, right, And he's

945
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:20.159
just like is that okay? And
the other guy's like it's not mine.

946
01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:25.520
It is and like the real being
that his name is Doc Holiday because he

947
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:29.279
used to be a dentist, and
he like takes the towel off his head,

948
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.960
gets up and just like comes in
with that like dead man thing.

949
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:36.640
But they're so close to each other, and I was like, you got

950
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:45.319
a kid, you gotta keys right
now, Electric energy, wild chemist,

951
01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:53.000
and instead he's just like they're gonna
die. And I was like, ooh,

952
01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:59.760
ANIMI is all lovers. Never happened
the last anyway. Then he got

953
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.159
out like Okay, I'm just going
to take the ship for no good reason.

954
01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:06.640
Oh come by, thank you ador
this ship. We did it.

955
01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:13.199
But oh we're not done. We're
not yet done. As we go to

956
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:16.560
the main concep of the podcast,
of course, knock it off the all

957
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:21.000
this artist's objective stuff. We actually
both believe that art is objective, and

958
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:26.319
there can only be one winner in
the eternal fight of which is better.

959
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.560
Star Trek versus Star Wars is once
again we rank Specter of the Gun from

960
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.720
Star Trek the original series season three
versus Star Wars the Clone Wars Downfall of

961
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:43.279
a Droid Aspen. Since I went
first, daring a starship it. Why

962
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:46.479
don't you go first with ranking?
It's so funny. I Hi, you

963
01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:50.560
know what, I agree, it's
freak funny. What's funny? I keep

964
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:55.840
just giving all of these Clone Wars
episodes like up in like the sevens right,

965
01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.840
and I'm like, oh, should
I be more thoughtful about this?

966
01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:01.640
But I think that they are just
fucking gut. Yeah, dude, I'm

967
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:06.920
gonna give us a seven point seven, seven point seven, just we can

968
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:10.960
give it room to grow when it
like nails it in the second episode.

969
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:15.760
Yeah, I'm gonna get this one
a seven as well. This is a

970
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:20.760
great episode. Love the characterization,
love them deepening dynamics, and then also

971
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:25.520
we've got some great action in there. Yeah. That brings it to a

972
01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:29.000
collector total of seven point three five
er Star Wars the Clone Wars Downfall of

973
01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.880
the Drive, but that's still anyone's
game. As Aspen moves over to the

974
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:38.920
Star Trek field, Aspen putting on
their appropriate pads and gloves, getting ready

975
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:44.199
to hop out on the field and
rank Specter of the Gun. So I

976
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.520
did tell you I love West,
you will love us all. I love

977
01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:51.800
the weird surrealness of this episode.
Not only that, but you texted me

978
01:20:55.199 --> 01:21:00.560
and I quote Kenny wild West,
yep, I responded to Pepe you and

979
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:03.479
then you went I immediately like this
more than gangsters. I love West,

980
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:08.840
which I responded with, and I
believe this. You're high on yourself.

981
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:12.640
The gangster episode is a masterpiece.
It's not it's a master piece. It's

982
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:16.760
not good. If you are teaching
a screenwriting class, go this A piece

983
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:20.960
of the action is the greatest subscript
that does ever exist in I quit like

984
01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:24.720
you. I'm out of here.
I'm out here, I gotta go,

985
01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:27.359
I gotta go. I'm going to
dig up your bones. I'm my cursing.

986
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:33.239
I want to give this a seven. And here's why I'm not getting

987
01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:39.359
it higher. I mean, seven's
good. It's because I think, like

988
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:45.279
I said earlier, the thing that
sustains it is it's extremely cool visuals,

989
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.359
and I think if it had had
a little bit more oomph like, it

990
01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:55.439
would have been even better. A
lot of the episode, Oh gosh,

991
01:21:55.520 --> 01:22:00.520
what kind of suffers from the same
thing that and the children shall lead suffer

992
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:04.520
from, which is the audience is
way ahead of the characters, and a

993
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:10.720
lot of the episode is just waiting. We're not the Clantons, right,

994
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:14.359
and everyone. They go to everyone
in town to be like, we're not

995
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:18.640
the Clantons. And the rule is
established that they believe the town believes that

996
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:24.840
they're the Clantons. So why would
our extremely smart characters continue to go elsewhere

997
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.439
to be like, yes, actually
we're not the Clantons. Yes we know

998
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:33.600
that, so why not participate in
something else. It does feel a little

999
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:36.960
bit like if this episode could have
been thirty minutes, it would have been

1000
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:43.479
perfect. It has that sort of
feel like it or if more were happening

1001
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:45.399
in the middle of it. And
yet, and the thing is that,

1002
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:50.319
like when the stuff does happen,
it's so interesting, Like that ending is

1003
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:56.239
so cool. Like when they shot
the shot from the back where you're just

1004
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.359
seeing you're seeing them and there's the
fences, like the side of the corral

1005
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.720
presumably, and they're all standing there. They just start shooting at them,

1006
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:09.279
and the you don't see the bullets
hit them or even go through because you're

1007
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.840
adjusting the fence, and it's just
like all these holes in the fence and

1008
01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:15.960
they all just here standing there,
and it's such a cool effect. It

1009
01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:19.479
is wild. It's so cool.
The ending is outstanding. I love the

1010
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:26.439
ending, and uh, the beginning's
interesting. Yeah, it's just that big

1011
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:33.399
long middle chunk where have real circular
stuff. Because I love West and because

1012
01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:38.439
I love the ending and you really
love West or are you just looking around

1013
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:44.479
the room and just saying that you
love West. I really love the wall.

1014
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:51.600
I love lamp. That's why I'm
like, you still get a seven

1015
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:57.239
from me, because I like weird
shit. So yep, I'm going to

1016
01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:00.720
give this one a five point nine. Wow, okay, because of the

1017
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:05.640
reasons that I said, little Doll. Also, I docked a down point

1018
01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:10.560
one because I don't like West.
I think all things in the West are

1019
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:14.039
usually boring as hell. Oh my
gosh. I don't like things that are

1020
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:18.479
dry and dusty. Now is that
a bias that prevents me from enjoying some

1021
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:27.359
masterpiece things like Fury Road and Furiosa. You bet it is. It is

1022
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:32.640
a huge bias. This is actually
very interesting because I famously famously to me

1023
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:39.399
love the desert. You love Dusty. I love Dusty. If something is

1024
01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:43.840
set in the desert, it is
very much. It has it has like

1025
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:45.880
a benefit, like it is beneficial, like it could be bad. And

1026
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.279
I'm like, well, it was
in the Desert. So yeah, like

1027
01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:54.359
I genuinely wonder if I think,
God, I'm like been really obsessed with

1028
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.439
the movie. No plately, I
just like could watch that movie over and

1029
01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:00.079
over again. There's a lot of
reasons why that movie is so good or

1030
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:06.000
and Peel part of it going into
hopefully, hopefully is Spielberg Years, because

1031
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:11.039
that last forty minutes of that movie, I'm like, this is Spielberg.

1032
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:15.000
This is Jordan Peel operating at the
horror realm. Anymore, he is operating

1033
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:23.319
in classic Spielberg filmmaking the way its
horror. Yeah, but also you know

1034
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:27.960
in the last forty minutes is a
Western Spielberg. I mean, the thing

1035
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.319
that classic Spielberg is operating with is
that horror notion. But he understands that

1036
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:39.279
horror is thrilling. Yes, yes, Jurassic Park operates as a horror movie.

1037
01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:45.680
It's just that the slasher is dinosaurs
Jaws in them. But it's also

1038
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.319
an adventure. And also Jaws is
like operating as the examination of small town

1039
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:54.520
politics, which is thrilling. Close
Encounters the third kind operating with horror rules

1040
01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:59.920
kind of, but then understands that
central mystery not understanding and then you say

1041
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.399
sacrifice everything in order to go see
the mystery. It feels like you're getting

1042
01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:06.840
off topic, which is oh right, Star Wars Desert, Oh, no,

1043
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:16.000
desert, but yeah, the desert, Kenny, the desert. That's

1044
01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:23.279
right, The desert wins. This
week Star Wars The Clone Wars down three

1045
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:27.960
five s posted Specter of the Gun, which has a paltry six point four

1046
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.960
or five, which you know,
I feel like is the correct ranking for

1047
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:35.760
that episode. Yeah, there are
worse episodes, better episodes, true,

1048
01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:59.000
very this episode is okay plus corral
Uh. If you like those witness why

1049
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:02.319
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1050
01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:06.720
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1051
01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:12.239
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1052
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.720
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1053
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:19.600
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1054
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:27.039
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1058
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:47.920
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1059
01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:51.039
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1060
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:56.479
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1061
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1063
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:10.520
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get the hire subscriber base. I tried

1064
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:14.359
to stay like more in my seat
this time to be a more visually appealing

1065
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:18.159
person. Thank you, I appreciate
them. Yeah. Uh, last piece

1066
01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:23.279
of business. I would be remiss
if I didn't mention that Rob Coleman directed

1067
01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:26.279
the episode of Star Wars the Clone
Wars, and Rob Coleman was the animation

1068
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:31.800
director of the prequel trilogy and also
helped establish the lucasfilm animation. Wow,

1069
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:35.680
that's pretty interesting, and also what
was interesting is that he was not in

1070
01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:39.720
the behind the scenes of the Polony
Zone. I'm just interested. I want

1071
01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:44.239
to know more of how Star Wars
the Clone Wars works anything else before we

1072
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:48.119
call it a night. Aspen No, I love you, and I love

1073
01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:53.880
you Aspen, and we love you
audience. Thank you so much for listening

1074
01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:57.720
to us and watching us. May
the Force be with you and live long

1075
01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:13.960
and prosper helish s