Duel of the Droids vs. Day of the Dove

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Welcome to the Track Wars podcast,
the Internet's exclusive outlet for trying to rank

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which one is better Star Trek or
Star Wars by going through both franchises a

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chronological release order. I am Kenny
Madison, the Star Trek contingent of this

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duel, and with me Esper always
is my co host. Hey, it's

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amazing. I brought a sword to
our duel. It's Aspen Wift. I

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see what you did. By the
way, we'll get to it. Sorry,

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but you did a thing with duel
and with duels, and I think

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you are clever. I think that
you are clever, and I think that

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at least one of these episodes is
pretty darn clever. As we review,

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at least at least one, Aspen, at least one, all right,

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could be two, then could be
two, who knows? Who knows?

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We are reviewing Day of the Dove
from Star Trek the Original series, season

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three versus Duel of the Droids from
Star Wars the Clone Wars Season one,

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Aspen, How are you doing?
Be honest? Now? Pretty good?

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Pretty I got a little tired in
the last ten minutes, and that is

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not your fault, certainly. Are
you sure that you're fatigued or is there

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some sort of light glob monster that
is coming in and changing your emotions arbitrarily?

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I see, Sorry, let me
back up and play along. I'm

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feeling weirdly angry. Did you kill
my brother? Yeah? I killed Pyota?

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Did you kill Pyotr? Are you
a cossack? I? Yes,

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I am a cossack. Yes?
What alternatively? Are you a spy?

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Yeah? I'm spy and I need
to fight you in a dramatic droid fight.

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Yes? Are you all these things? Yes? Okay, well I

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guess we got to fight it out. Yes, to that death. Yes,

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but before we kill ourselves with these
transmuted swords instead of these microphones.

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We had microphones, but they've transmuted
into swords. So now I'm speaking into

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a claymore right now. Yeah,
let's go to our plots and off seats

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for folks that aren't necessarily watching along
with us the home game. If you

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will, ah do I will do? I will gosh, you do well?

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I do well. Let me go
ahead and start off first again.

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Day of the Dove air November November
one, nineteen sixty eight. Director Marvin

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Chomsky, the director of and the
Children Show, lead Aspen and writer Jerome

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Bixby. What Bigsby do a little
Star Trek episode. You might have heard

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that something of that, you know, might a completely redefined science fiction called

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Mirror Mirror. I thought you're gonna
say Day of the Dove, and I'm

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like, yeah, I know.
Yeah. Jerome Bixby also wrote Day of

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the Dove. Also, Mirror Mirror
had to do a whole bunch of rewrites

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in Jerome Bixby, this was mostly
him. Anyways, good tonight, I'm

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talking. We're not talking about contact
setting. We're talking about Day of the

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Dove. And here's the synopsis as
Carrie. It originally in the Hartford Current

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out of Hertford, Connecticut. In
the TV Highlights section Day of the Dove,

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the Dove usually signifies peace, but
Spaceman William Shatner of Earth and King

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of the planet kling On Sick are
anything but peaceful. In this entry,

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an alien life format the form of
illuminescent blob spirits hostile Klingons aboard the Enterprise.

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The hatred that the foreigners project is
so strong that it eventually sets the

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starship crew against one another. Meanwhile, as the Civil War rageous, the

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ship is left unattended, and it
goes hurtling into an uncharded region of space.

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This is a truly action packed episode, if not too incredible. However,

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guest star Michael ansaras the Klingon leader
is suitably scary, who wrote that

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the writer, the writer of the
synopsis is not given here good because that

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was bad. You're bad. I
like like that. They were like,

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oh, a dove a symbol of
bees. It's not like this episode is

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named because this is about war and
violence and anger and that's the point of

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like what we are seeking to choose. That's right. I like that they

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were just like, what a stupid
name. Also, also, no,

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it actually purpose whatever, That's fine. I think it does. It purposely

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hurdles them to the edge of the
galaxy at like warp nine. That's just

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a bad description. Well, like, I don't like that. I don't

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like that. Birth that's good.
I'm glad. Who is that nineteen sixty

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eight? You suck, you suck
Aspen, You go ahead and write a

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synopsis, I will do you think
maybe if that person's dead we can find

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Yeah, yeah, excellent, graig, great, great, great, Okay,

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So we are at Star Wars,
the Clone Wars duel of the Droids.

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This is the second episode of Our
kind of Little two episode are continuing

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from last week. It was released
November fourteenth, two thousand and eight.

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Cute, what were you doing November
fourteenth, two thousand and eight. I

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was probably looking up to the sky
because President Barack Obama had just been elected.

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Yep, yep, thinking about that, hope. Director Rob Coleman,

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Writers Kevin Campbell and Henry Gilroy.
Cool. Good for them, Pretty exciting.

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Rob Coleman's second episode of The Star
Wars the Clone Wars so far as

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the cover or late in the episode
last time, Rob Coleman, animation director

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of the prequels, Yeah, we
love him. We are having a great

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time. We're having a great time
with all of these white men. I

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like these white men. I like
them. I don't mean it that way.

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Let's see premise and again. Ah
Soka and replacement Troid R three S

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six that asmen did not reveal last
time was a spy. Sounded like R

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three is a spy. I he
was just going with my opinion, embark

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on a dual rescue slash sabotage mission
because he is by when they discover RGID

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two is being held at General Grieves's
secret enemy listening post, so they indeed

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do both the a dual mission of
popping in there to try to uh deactivate

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the listening post blow it up,
and also get R two out of there.

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So great, up, good up. You know it's funny. No,

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I would love to hear it.
I was gonna talk to you about

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this, and then I watched the
featurette on this episode and they mentioned this,

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so I was like, oh,
it doesn't sound like I have a

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clever idea, but it's true that
because of one single sentence and moment and

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Revenge of the Sith where Anakin,
like Anakin meets Grievous for the first time

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and says like you're taller than like, or like you're shorter than I thought

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you would be, is what he
says, like, showing that they've never

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met. Because of that, for
the entirety of the Clone Wars, Grievous

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and Anakin can never see each other. Couldn't counterpoint, That's not my point.

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I understand. Counterpoint, Okay,
counterpoint to Dave Filoni, go back

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and see what couldn't they have just
established that every time Anakin and Grievous meet

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Anakin like gives some sort of snide
remark of being like General Grievous, your

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armor's a little duller than I imagine
General Agreeves or spellier than I imagine General

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Grievous. You don't have nearly a
big enough collection that I imagine. Yes,

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that would have been preferable. Couldn't
they have just done that? Yeah?

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I think so. But you also, I have not noticed it plot

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wise yet of being like they're really
dodging each other. I'm just like zipping

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along and going all right, there
are other things that I'm like interesting,

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Oh uh uh. For instance,
I mean we've had some episodes with Assage

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Ventros. We should have more sure, but yeah, and then we never

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really got official character introductions to like
General Grieves and the jas Ventris, and

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instead they're just dropped in and the
audience is just expected to feel something about

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them, as opposed to building some
sort of introductory character beat, which might

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literally just be a preference equival.
But also in order to get those beats,

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you have to pair the series the
Clone Wars with the Gandy Tartakovski things,

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or to properly be like, what
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exist, do it? Maybe not? Actually, because I had not seen

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the Gandy Tartakovski and I just started
watching this without any of that context.

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I was just like, go over
this, bitches. I love her.

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Yeah. I just was like,
well, because I think, you know,

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Grievous is also just there in the
films, like there's absolutely no like

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he obviously has a beautiful instruction in
Tartakovsky, which I did not see at

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the time. Uh, he just
is suddenly in the film, and I

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think I just assume this sort of
like yeah, it's pretty weak sauce sit

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throughout here, just like collecting little
weirdos who are just powerful and desperate to

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like shop up some Jedi and they're
just like wild that. George Lucas wrote

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a rule because there was only an
Emperor and Darth theater and was like,

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you know what, there're can only
be two sith at a time, which

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then there are more well sort of
yeah, so then they have to sursault

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and flip and being like nly not
a Seth. There's only two Seth.

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But then there's all these inquisitors and
also General Bravius and also as vent Trst,

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and there's trainees and they're always I
don't know who this character is.

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God, I'm workshopping a lot of
new characters, don't. I don't know

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why I got defensive when you said
that. For some reason, I was

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just like, Kendall, I don't
think you understand that I don't care,

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which I don't. There's no reason
for me to feel that way. It's

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a very valid criticism of like what
like, because there's plenty of space to

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be doing that right space. There's
plenty like why not? Why not?

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Why not have like a little bit
of a like acy, why not have

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four thousand sith? But I Will
could have written an episode one of being

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like why not have forty thousand sith? You could have are you gonna?

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And then they all could have shown
up. Episode one could have been called

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too Manuciths, and then you could
have met young Obi Wan and he's like,

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there's too many Siths around here,
and Anakin could have been like,

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I have something to do about that
because I'm a great pilot. Yeah my

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spinning, Yeah, you should,
you should do it, you should do

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it. I Uh, I'm gonna
I'm gonna argue something real fast to you

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that's not going to make any sense. Great. It's about it's about the

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it's about the ventures intro and like
grievous stuff. Massage Ventress. I call

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her adventures because we're friends. It's
just like what you interesting. If y'all

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were friends, wouldn't you be on
a first name basis? I mean,

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I think I just like you call
it. Does ventures call you webster?

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Yeah? That sounds really sexy,
right, Yeah, that's right, like

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I would. I would be into
it. I always call her Adventuress.

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In fact, now I just need
to do something really quick, Cassage Venturess.

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We're gonna do a quick lookup.
Don't ms right now? Please?

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Hi? How do you looking?
Grace? Hey? You love it when

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you take off the cloak anyways,
hm. I like that she just fucking

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appears, and that you can just
put some stuff together and then I like,

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over time, you wouldn't know this. Things become revealed over time.

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I like that. I think it's
actually very interesting in terms of like you

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think, oh, this is just
another bad dy who's just doing bad dye

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things, and then you're like,
oh, a fascinating backstory. I never

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thought i'd get, Oh there's more
to her. Ohsh's gets an entire arc.

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What is going on? It's pretty
wild. So that's how I feel.

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But is that anything to do with
this episode nar not particularly, That's

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just our feelings. The first impressions
of these episodes. Uh, one of

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these episodes is good, the other
one is great? Okay, interesting which

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one is which for you? I
think Day of the Dove is great?

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You do? Okay? I do? I do? And what's fascinating.

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Some of that might be compounded with
whenever I saw that Day of the Dove

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was up on this schedule, I
was like, uh, oh, it's

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gonna be a bad episode, because
last time that I watched this, I

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was like, this is a stinker, and I felt it so difficult to

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pay attention. Whoa really Yeah,
So for this watching, I like to

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have my phone off or not paying
attention. But I put my because whenever

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I watch this stuff, I want
to make sure that I am watching it

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fully completely with no distractions. So
I turned my phone off, put it

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at the other end of the room. So it's even more difficult to go

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fidget with something because really that's all
it is. Turn the episode on and

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I'm like, man, this cold
opens a pop. This is a good

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bop, this is good. And
then the episode kept unfolding. I was

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like, this is interesting, and
then the central metaphor kind of revealed itself

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and I was like, this central
metaphor is really strong. And then it

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just turned out to be like a
great episode with a clean metaphor that means

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so much much to me. So
my ranking might be compounded by the fact

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that I was so surprised to be
like, this is an actually great episode

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a Star Trek and then Duel the
Droids is does not have the emotional complexity

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from the last episode that I was
driving with so much, and it is

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straightforward actioner, which is good.
You see R two light a droid on

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fire and push them into an endless
abyss. It's pretty great. It was

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actually pretty horrifying. R two the
sadest that they are. He was R

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two was in a fight to the
death by the end of that. I

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actually did have that thought too while
I was watching Duel the Droids, which

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was in a kind of classic two
Harder style of like films or shows or

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whatever it is. I often vibe
more with all of the emotional setup than

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I do the action off that is
typical to like the second part. You

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know, although a lot of it
was very interesting, I will say about

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du all of the droids, I
was noticing it from like an action perspective,

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and I was kind of seeing it
that way of again the payoff of

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the thing. But you're right,
it's very much like set piece at piece.

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It felt to me like you know, when you're watching an anime and

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yeah, and you know what an
anime is. Yeah, I have watched

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Miyazaki. I have watched the film
since the tosh Con. You know what,

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I do know what an anime is, and I really the only uh

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and I don't know so, but
but like you know when you're watching like

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a series and you get to like
a really important battle, for instance,

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and it's like suddenly like all of
the budget went into animating that battle,

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and suddenly everything's like very fluid and
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of times watching this episode, actually
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the animation on this is a strong. Yeah, that's something that I didn't

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talk about in the last episode.
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of Android looked bad. I was
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listening to a more civilized age.
Hearing that that was earlier in the production

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order, so I'm like, oh, the animation literally is worse because it

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is it's earlier. It's just going
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processes and will way down the line. So that's interesting because I guess by

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that, by that logic, it
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the same. But it didn't look
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the action felt and maybe it was
it was because they were working with like

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being earlier in the process. The
action of it felt pretty fluid and very

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like dynamic and interesting, like that
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because Anakin canned kind of initial fight
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really looked really good to me.
It's not really interesting like interactions that happened

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in the episode. They were really
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I made the mistake of being slightly
distracted watching it, and I certainly

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should not have been. I think
I was doing that thing where I was

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folding laundry, sure, and I
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to any phone where if there's a
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opposed to folding a T shirt.
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I definitely came out of it being
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wasn't piper focused on it. I
feel like I missed something. It makes

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me feel a little sad. Yeah, and I and I don't maybe I'm

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like you originally definitely definitely not like
bad or even like lackluster. I was

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like, no, this is like, this is very present in what it

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is saying. It's like you said, it had like a very clear uh

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metaphor present And I really really vibed
with that. I vibed with a lot

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of it, feeling like it was
like the stakes were very high. There's

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a lot of real intense emotion.
Also brings me a lot of joy.

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And it's the same same Kang that
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same actor too. Yeah, Rad, I mean poor King and Corlos.

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Now we've got the three that will
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all three of those characters that will
be featured again in what is It?

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Yes, Blood Packed Dyes episode.
It's incredible. I actually didn't even clock

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it with the other ones either.
Now that's the episode that has that fantastic

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line that's like Corso my old friend
and Jesse's like it's just see now and

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He's like see I'm my old friend, and I'm like that's trans writes.

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Yeah, yes, yeah, I
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nails. Yeah, that's when they
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So yeah, bad, bad bad. Can I ask you a question?

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What if I just said no,
I know, right, Well, it's

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because it's not related to like first
impressions of these episodes. Sure, yeah,

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okay, but it's about it's about
Klingons. Oh outstanding. I love

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answering Star Trek questions. Here we
go, let me play my Star Trek

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sound effect. So when I was
like, oh my god, Kang Kang,

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I'm like, kang o Kang,
the internet was like he and his

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wife were infected by a virus,
and I was like, what is this?

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what I can gather, it sounds

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like it's Star Trek Creators in the
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didn't have face ridges and now they
do, am I right, Yeah,

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So this season of Star Trek,
Star Trek Enterprise season four, okay,

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a good season all right, for
a very long time. Uh huh.

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The excellent reason hold on, I
got to make footnotes of Klingons and head

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ridges. It's got to like because
it's it's it's critical. This is also

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going into the like Lucasian prequelitis that
can go into things. So right,

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DS nine had the best explanation of
why Klingons are brown face and don't have

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ridges. And then starting in Star
Trek, the motion picture they do which

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is you remember this aspen is it? Where WARF's like, wait, don't

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talk about it, yeah, which
is like, genuinely, I think that's

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the Iroer being like yeah, I
don't know who cares. Yeah. But

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then at Enterprise season four they finally
talk about it, and it is this

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weird convoluted genetic engineering thing that is
based off of Khan. They get hold

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of his augment blood and start creating
like spies to infiltrate Starfleet and it's convoluted

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and it's not great. Uh and
yeah that and then they also say like

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the effects would last like one hundred
and two hundred years or something like that

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to give it handwavy things. And
so that's the canonical explanation of why Core

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King and Cola have head ridges in
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so wonderfully in Trials and Trlations,
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because everyone knows. But then there
are those parts of fandom who are like,

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but I need the parts to make
sense. Kenny, Yeah, boss,

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he doesn't have any people. He's
a long Yeah, it's so funny

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to me. What's wild is that? Also? Star Trek Enterprise season four,

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it's a great season of TV.
It's a great season. The first

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two seasons of Enterprise are like,
Okay, this is like the Voyager Light,

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which is already TG light, so
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it's feeling like okay, Star Trek. Stuff's kind of getting tired, and

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then they blow up the formula for
season three fun and then season four is

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just a series that actually it's kind
of very clone Wars in terms of its

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structure by examining parts of Cannon in
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you're it's it's really fun. I
like that, Yeah, Enterprise underappreciated Gem

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a little bit, okay, fabulous. I I remember, yeah, I

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remember that. I just remember because
I haven't I've watched Enterprise and I just

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was like, I don't think I've
ever seen anything around this, and it

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reminded me that I was like,
oh yeah, because the signed they were

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like, who the fuck cares?
Yeah, And then Enterprise the first episode

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is humans dealing with Klingons and Cleons
have head ridges, which was a good

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question within fan of it, being
like if we see Klingons, are they

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going to be the flatheads? And
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look so different and fans are like, not real ar Trek as opposed to

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me, where I'm just like,
it's a TV show, what if it

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looks like? In Discovery? So
already already problematic aspects of the depiction of

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Klingons because Klingons are eighty to ninety
percent of the depiction of Klingons Hush star

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Trek involve heavy brown face, bad
stuff, badad stuff, bad stuff,

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bad stuff. We're not having fun? What what what? What? What

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do they look like? In Discovery? Yeah? Why I don't understand.

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It's because I think Hollywood production designers
or someone like that are just like,

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I need to overdesign the hell out
of this. Why would you? And

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then the Discovery Klingons enhance the like
they really darken up all of the Klingons

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and exotify them even more kind of
blue, so they look like in these

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pictures. I don't know that might
be the out bino Klingon that isn't there

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anyway, it's it's extremely alien.
They look like they look like Oscar Isaac

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in uh As Apocalypse a milk a
toast film. Why would you get Oscar

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Isaac who explodes chemistry whenever you give
him the right role and put him underneath

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all of that. That's so unfortunate? Would you? Why would you squander

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that gift to the world? You
know? The look of the Klingons in

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Discovery, that's like the least problem, like the least okay saying about Discovery

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because Discovery it is just because the
behind the scenes drama feels so scattershot and

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weird. So okay, So let's
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a Klingon recap here for tos.
Yes, we started with we started with

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Klingons in brown face looking a little
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a part in it. Plus the
brown face. Yes, then there is

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a shorthand there where you can immediately
within the context of the nineteen sixties you

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add these brown faced orientalist features yep, to just be like, okay,

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yep, we there is a visual
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white faults, I think are enlightened. So there is you can just automatically

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identify bad days. Okay, bad
days. I'm so enlightened that that is

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a bad day. We're enlightened.
Wow. And then I mean there's there's

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of course, like Trouble Troubles where
there's the Klingon who actually like looks human.

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But the Klingons in that are not
a brown face anymore. Right,

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Yeah, they're just white. They're
just white dudes' William Campbell is just playing

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a klingon who looks human. He's
just said the dude, he's just a

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guy. So there's that, and
then we're back to this which like a

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little some fewer kind of orientalist features, but back to like bad bad brown

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face. And no, no,
I would say they did not have a

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lot of setting powder. There's a
lot of melty brown makeup going and kind

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of blackish, too bad news everywhere. Yeah, it's bad. It doesn't

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look it doesn't look great. It
reminds me of there was this, like

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fucking this, this makeup company produced
this shade presumably for black women or black

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people who ever wants to use uh
like, who wants to use foundation?

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And it was just straight black and
everyone was like, hey, human skin

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has lots of tones in it,
you absolute motherfuckers. It kind of reminds

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me of that, like they were
just like not brown and some black.

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Anyway, I won't comment any more
on House Weddy. Everyone looked. So

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here's I've got. I've got the
list of the seven episodes where Klingons are

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depicted. We've still got two more
on the dock. Here's here's what's going

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on in terms of the makeup stitch
all right, fantastic, Aaron de Mercy,

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Brown, Others, Friday's Child,
White, Okay, White, Fay

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and Balding, which is great,
Trouble with Trebles, Lily white, Lily

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white, Lily white, a private
little War back to brown Face, fabulous,

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The Day of the Dove, black
face, Jesus Christ. Then and

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then we've got two more episodes that
Savage Elana Troyce is probably going to do

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brown face, yeah, and there's
going to be more issues with that I

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don't recall, and then the Savage
Curtain, which is definitely going to be

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brown face. I don't mean to
dwell so much on this. I just

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really as someone who it's important to
talk about. It's not important to talk

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about, is it? Because we're
two white people who are talking about what

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is this appropriate? Yeah, we
can talk about that. Sure, I'm

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not about I'm not about to like. I'm not about to like, but

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also don't savor or anything here,
like we're talking about it. I think

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we can save America. Yeah,
we're going to do it. But also

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for the enlightened Star Trek, because
Star Trek purports itself to be a bastion

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of liberal slash leftist ideals from the
very beginning. For sure, you also

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got to reckon that these classic villains
who are like, oh I love the

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Klingons. It's dicey, dude,
it's I mean it was like even in

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that review and not the review,
the kind of like the terrible authored piece

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in the newspaper about like the main
character, like the actor being terrifying.

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He was. He was like that
was a scary like the first introduction of

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him, he played you know the
guy who played Kang Kang is scary because

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Michael Ansara is the actor Michael Insara. It's scary like he is. He

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is. He has a lot of
status, he has a lot of power,

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and he has a lot of ability
to hurt them, and he has

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a lot of rage by definition with
the episode, right, and also,

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the Klingons are this kind of like, you know, they're not going to

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back down from violence. That is
what it is, and there is a

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complexity here of bringing it back to
its and they are always darker skinned.

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So what are these associations we're making. It's the original series Klingon as opposed

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it's to the almost mean that they
become a next generation, which makes no

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mistake the kling hunts rule in next
generation. You've seen the d S nine

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Klingons. You want to go you
want to go drinking with them? We

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have some blood wine. I hate
fighting, but I kind of want to

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go targ hunting with the Klingons.
Great, it's great love, but here

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they're just like savages. Yeah,
King seems to be and they're kind of

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openly duplicitous things like that. There, they're sneaks. Michael Ansara as King

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is playing it with a little bit
of a reality that is really interesting as

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opposed to I'm thinking of John Colicous's
Core, who is like, ah,

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I am a kling on destroy this
federation and then he brings that to Core

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and DS nine and pumped in my
fist every single time because he's a little

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rascal. Well, I got it, like King to me in this episode.

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I mean, but yeah, he
was like, you destroyed our ship

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because he thinks that's what this blob
creature has made him think. You like,

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because why not, you've destroyed our
ship. I'm gonna take your fucking

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ship like you killed most of my
people. Like that's what he's coming into

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it with. Well, and also
to be fair and asked when the production

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coordinator walked up to King beforehand,
it was like, we can't we can't

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afford to build King on set.
Can you can you take the enterprise sets?

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And King goes like that, I
mean, that wasn't my plan,

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but like, do you want me
to do just want me to do it?

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Yeah? Yeah, And so then
they were able to be like I

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will take the attempt. Yeah,
he was just like peak of my dudes,

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and I'm taking nurse and I'm going
to tour to you. I'm just

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tort to your people until you let
me have your ship. And then we

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get this cool little self contained almost
I don't know, submarine type. Maybe

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that's me projecting too much, but
just like a power struggle within the enterprise

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of these moving forces. And you
couple that with the weird light Blob,

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who is just honestly loving the drama, who is like, oh my god,

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Gucci, that is like, give
me them sass, queen. Oh

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I heard King talking about you in
the corridor and you like not believe it.

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The light Blob is like a reality
television producer. Yeah, like comes

402
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:53.960
over and is like, hey,
I heard that Rebecca she did on You're

403
00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:00.239
her Boyfriend, you know, and
it's just like go ask her about it.

404
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.519
That's what the blob wants. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty

405
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.480
wild. It's having a great time. It's your true commentary on with the

406
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.559
future of of our like how we
can consume media and like drama, you

407
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.559
know what I mean, Well,
this is the real hunger game. You

408
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.719
just and Also, I'm watching this
episode and then reading these are the voyages

409
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.320
tos s'son treated by Mark Cushmanz's an
Osborne. Oh my god, a woman,

410
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:37.199
a woman your believe God's wild?
Okay. But Jerome Bixby, who

411
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.599
wrote this episode, it's just like
I want to say something about Vietnam and

412
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.960
is it's it's more than just hey, these two sites got to put down

413
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:54.519
their weapons because it is dis I'll
just pull the chunk that I highlighted here

414
00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:01.440
because I think it just says this
notion beautifully. Bixby's original theme regarding the

415
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.079
battle between hawks and dubs hawks or
mangers and dus we want peace, the

416
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:15.199
two sides that were codified during the
Vietnam War back in the sixties. As

417
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.079
ellipsis, the entity was now able
to distort the memories of the humans and

418
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.199
Klingons and even a Vulcan and influence
their thinking, just as governments are able

419
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.199
to do with their citizens through propaganda, and as television networks are able to

420
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:36.760
do with their viewers through biased reporting
in their news reports. TLDNR the nefarious

421
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:49.599
actors that are attempting to exacerbate conflict
as opposed to trying to recognize that two

422
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.159
sides of a conflict are being controlled
by this thing who has a vested interest

423
00:36:53.800 --> 00:37:01.000
in making sure that both of you
are fighting forever. You're like, it's

424
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:08.360
almost like the Emperor. The isn't
Rise of Skywalker so good h even even

425
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:22.480
one of King's final alliance, which
is King to entity. Yes, out,

426
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.880
we need no urging to hate humans, but for the present only a

427
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.400
full fight's in a burning house.
T L D N R. Bro.

428
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.320
We already hate humans, but you
making sure that we're at war. That's

429
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.719
not gonna fly. Not even in
not even invalidating the fact that they have

430
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.119
potentially real beef with Starfleet the Federation, but the fact that their war with

431
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:55.320
each other is not a conscious choice, but rather it's it's being manipulated,

432
00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:01.280
and so to that elevates it from
the usual why can't we all just get

433
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:07.960
along naivete then, I think goes
along with Star Trek politics sometimes and instead

434
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.519
makes it a little bit complex by
creating this amorphous metaphor. Don't exactly know

435
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:16.119
where it's coming from, but there
is some of that is property from their

436
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.079
conflict and makes a really strong metaphor. Okay, this actually makes me now

437
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:27.519
I'm on board, but this is
a great episode because I was feeling a

438
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:34.960
little like, oh, okay,
sure, I guess we can just like

439
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.800
not have a little conflict. It's
not like me to not be like,

440
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:45.159
I wonder if this is actually about
the great viet Vietnam War. Usually I'm

441
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.440
like, what is the thing happening? But in this I was just like,

442
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.920
I don't know. Maybe I wasn't
expecting more from it, and I

443
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.559
should have been, because obviously,
as I was just saying there right there,

444
00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:00.880
I was like finding the thing of
like, what is it? Can

445
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.440
we can we pull? Can we
actually pull this metaphors a little bit further?

446
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.840
Then? In this if this is
the metaphor, who is what is?

447
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.880
What is the amorphis being represent It
represents, it represents really whatever you

448
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.599
need the metaphor to represent. Okay, well what do we Yeah, what

449
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:23.119
do we want it to be?
War? Profit here? Like always uh

450
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:30.960
more profit heres war weapons manufacturers,
nations that have literally profit off of war.

451
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.440
I would say in this one it's
the United States. Yeah, absolutely,

452
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.480
And then you do profit off of
those party, say within their own

453
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.480
country, warring against one another.
We are the profiteers, like the United

454
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.599
States it's it's the war profiteers.
But like, what are we now if

455
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:59.480
not just like a country of serving
military interests and then the amorphus blob implanting

456
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:06.199
false memory, implanting false feelings,
exacerbating racial hatred, right because information is

457
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:12.360
being deliberately fed to you in order
to exacerbate anger. Yes, I'm having

458
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.039
a real check off as a fake
brother where Soul it was just like he's

459
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.119
an only child, you know what. I actually had this. I have

460
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:25.880
this moment where I was like,
is it common hundreds of years after conflicts

461
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.519
of like the Cossacks and like Russian
like the Russian federies, like years and

462
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:36.400
years ago, would this still be
something that would be called out to like

463
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.679
like kind of as a conflict to
relate this to. And I'm like,

464
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.840
well, I guess maybe because Jackson, I know, you know the answer

465
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.679
to that, yes, because he
does typically do things like that, Like

466
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:52.320
but I'm just putting it in today's
terms asthmen the South will rise again.

467
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.079
Oh oh okay. I was actually
I was going to go more for like

468
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.400
if doing it within the context of
this episode, sure, it is like

469
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.239
and what you are saying, which
is what this metaphor is is. Yes,

470
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.320
this is That's also a really good
example of it. Is that we

471
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.719
need to also play off of years
and years and years of like ethnic or

472
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:19.480
racial or like class rivalries that existed
years and years before, and know that

473
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.400
the still is churning and this is
part of the hatred that needs to live

474
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:30.400
on forever. Uh you know,
because because there are nefarious actors who benefit

475
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:38.039
from you being angry, yes,
from you being racist marginalized for yourself and

476
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:44.599
then turning yeah, and like turning
that outward as well. Spot gets racist,

477
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:51.679
Yeah, straight up does. It's
actually kind of wild. It's weird.

478
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.119
This is definitely one of those episodes
two by the way, speaking of

479
00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:00.559
this where like Kirk is like not
as effective as everyone else, which wellcolates,

480
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.079
which is which is the fascinating thing. I'm reading this, I'm reading

481
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:09.119
Mike's book and they're talking about the
performances being inconsistent, but just kind of

482
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:13.719
like the force being the ultimate plot
wavy thing abandon how they do it the

483
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.639
force this episode you can blame like
inconsistent performances, so like amorphis blob,

484
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.599
here we come. That's how I
felt. I just took it as like

485
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.920
Kirk by definition of what Kirk is
as the captain is usually the least the

486
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.039
last to be affected by things,
or is the least affected or is able

487
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.599
to fight it off faster than other
people. And I just took it as

488
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.280
like a going back and forth throughout
it. Yeah. Yeah, Kirk has

489
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.079
a canonical obsession with his ship,
to the point where he's like, I

490
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.360
can't have any other relationships because I'm
already married. Look at this ring on

491
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:45.320
my finger. It's actually made of
dilithium. I'm married to the uss C

492
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:52.719
Enterprise and I fucked the shuttle Bay. You have to bleep that out.

493
00:42:52.800 --> 00:43:00.199
You never swear. Oh my gosh, it is. It is pretty wild.

494
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:06.159
It's very intense. I you know, I it's one of those.

495
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:12.920
It's also goodness. I love the
ending scene of where they they even though

496
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:17.119
even though it's corny as hell,
but also I'm already there. Oh yeah.

497
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:21.840
But also just that line of King
being like I hate humans anyways,

498
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.039
but like, bro, come on, you don't need to tell me to

499
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:30.440
hate I'm going to be hating him. Get at get out, get out

500
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.159
there, get down there, and
then they all just go ha ha ha,

501
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.119
and they do the corny as hell
that's fine. Star Trek is corny.

502
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.280
What do you want from me?
As and stop yelling at me.

503
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:45.039
They fought a cat in one episode
twice. Apparently they didn't fight the cat

504
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:49.199
in Assignment. Oh she just she
just was a cat. You're right,

505
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.599
it's just two cat ladies. Do
you remember Assignment or I love that?

506
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.199
Yeah? I wish so badly,
God, if that had been a show,

507
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:02.559
I would watch every episode. I
love it so much. I think

508
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:13.360
so funly of it every day,
you know, as I was choking a

509
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.960
little bit earlier, but I do
mean kind of seriously, this is a

510
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:24.199
direct the whole vibe of Star Wars
and the Clone Wars itself being something that

511
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:35.360
has been created by What a wonderful
What a wonderful segue. Thanks, I

512
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:45.280
did it. I'm like, I
don't know. I mean, even the

513
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.239
TV of the Clone Wars is sign
It's just part of the text of episodes

514
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.000
two and three. And then the
Clone Wars gets to deal with the day

515
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:59.800
to day of that manufactured conflict,
the toll, the human and apparently DROI

516
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:07.320
apparently. I mean, at this
point we're still pretty strongly in the baddies

517
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:13.199
are just these kind of faceless droids, emotionless droids unless they're just battle droids

518
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:22.159
and they're like cute when you know
you'll you know, get later into I

519
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.079
mean we did, we did already
have not to get outside the context of

520
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.559
this episode. You don't do it, askpen please for the for the love

521
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.320
of everything that is good, don't
go outside a synopsis, don't do it.

522
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.199
Don't do it, you know,
like in that forst episode with the

523
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:46.000
tyd Arians, like they could have
just as easily gone with the separatists as

524
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:47.920
the ones that they're going to support, right, Like they're like, well,

525
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.400
I'm going through my head to that
ring. Are they baddies? Now

526
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.840
they're part of something that they're being
uh, And it's a little bit different

527
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.719
of course, but it's like,
how are we sort of foemen a kind

528
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.960
of rage that could even just be
fabricated, right, I mean that's that

529
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.639
is, yes, for what it's
worth, Like race nationalism, all these

530
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:17.559
pieces are have been created and generated
to benefit typically white supremacy and those of

531
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:24.639
power. So yeah, I mean
all of it is a fabrication of differences

532
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.960
in the first place. Yeah,
the weird not but yeah, and and

533
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:40.960
the weird a politicalness of those decisions, because you're right, there are gestures

534
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.079
of those things within Star Wars,
the Star Wars films, the Star Wars

535
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.079
that I rather, the Star Wars
that I have consumed so far been ate

536
00:46:51.119 --> 00:47:00.199
it all up, has kind of
been devoid of tactile things that are actually,

537
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.760
for lack of another decharment, please
correct me, controversial hot button things

538
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.559
as opposed to like Star Trek,
where Star Trek is talking about racial issues,

539
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:17.360
class issues, gender issues. Star
Wars is just like there's a struggle

540
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.880
and then it uses sounds like a
broken record here aesthetics to then get YouTube

541
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:31.800
buy into. Aside, God,
I mean to pull from a more civilized

542
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.679
age. The rich people have nicer, shinier ships, and the poorer people

543
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:43.079
that are struggling have clunkier, used
ships and they don't have any people.

544
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:52.400
Yeah, and they never explicitly state
the class struggle, So anyone can come

545
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.880
along and kind of identify where they
want to. More than likely they're identifying

546
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:06.480
with the underdogs. Yeah, as
they should, because the underdogs are Yeah,

547
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.840
they're the ones with less power,
They're the ones typically rising up in

548
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:15.599
rebellion against hashtag empire has a point. Hashtag Paltatine was right, Oh my

549
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:21.679
god, imagine, but I mean
you don't have to imagine Jesus Christ.

550
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:28.679
Yeah, and then in this space, Yeah, those are the folks,

551
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.519
the ones that are marginalized, that
have less, that are having to face

552
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.880
the consequences of these things the most. But you're right, Star Wars is

553
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.719
not often focusing on that. It's
more like if we have the underdogs that

554
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.800
we're that we were rooting for,
we do get to see them with some

555
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.800
type of power or like they have
some agency, right, or if they

556
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.280
don't, we try to give them
agency or those those heroes are the ones

557
00:48:53.320 --> 00:49:00.239
saving people to bring them agency,
right, like if they are having their

558
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.320
world's destroyed by this, because they
are collateral damage, you know, like

559
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.639
Return of the Jedi and that you
walks. Yeah, I mean that's they're

560
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.679
collateral. I mean they choose to
find it, but like they're yeah,

561
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.519
they're like murdered, you know,
they're part of the battle. But it's

562
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.960
now one mom is murdered and everyone
is just kind of in the theater just

563
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:30.519
being like this is the most devastating
scarring piece a cinema. Mama, Mama,

564
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.960
I cried for twenty five minutes straight. I'm gonna cry now do it?

565
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.280
Yeah? Well, also, uh, they're I mean in a roundabout

566
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.480
way, they and I'm stealing this
from a more civilized age. Can you

567
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:52.920
tell that I listened to that episode? To their would be really great if

568
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:58.719
you were like, I'm guessing what
they said. But they talk about the

569
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:07.280
weird race aspects of droid culture as
mentioned within these two episodes. Uh,

570
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.440
I think we touched upon this last
app last episode of being like, as

571
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:16.840
soon as you start unraveling that thread, yeah, then it ruins everything about

572
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.920
the movies that you like whenever you
were a kid. I got there are

573
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.519
some things where I'm just like,
let's I don't think we can think about

574
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:30.840
this too much. We can't because
then if we are personifying the clones and

575
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.400
then we are like R two as
a person. Cool. R two is

576
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.199
a person, But the Battle Droids
are aren't people. We're not allowing them

577
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:43.480
to lead a life that we're gonna
chop down, chop them down like butter

578
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:50.639
right right like and we do we
do? They are they truly have personalities

579
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.000
and then we laugh when they get
their heads ripped off. Yeah, there's

580
00:50:53.119 --> 00:51:00.840
a lot to it, Like they're
canonically I suppose joys can sometimes feel pain,

581
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.119
or at least they could be tortured
by having the bottoms of their feet

582
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:09.079
burned. Like there is so much
and you go down. You can keep

583
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:15.679
going, but I but I but
but like I can't. Yeah, you

584
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.960
can't write because you cannot think about
it, and no one wants you to

585
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.119
think about it until until truly there
are some boneheaded filmmakers who are like,

586
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:30.039
let's think about it a little bit, and it feels so bad. Yeah,

587
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.760
well they don't whatever you do,
think about it because you're like,

588
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.039
oh, L three three seven is
now part of the Millennium Falcony. Great,

589
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:42.559
wonderful. I'm so glad that now
every time that I watch the original

590
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.480
Star Wars, and in the event
that I think about Solo West Star Wars

591
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.400
story in conjunction with that, I'm
going to have a sinking feeling that there

592
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.039
is a character that I really enjoyed, just eternally trapped in there until the

593
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:58.599
Millennium falcon gets destroyed. We have
no idea how that character feels within that

594
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.199
is that an upgrade doesn't feel like
a prison. We don't know. All

595
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.920
we know is that we thought the
L three three seven was a person Yeah,

596
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.159
we felt like she was we're calling
her she like, we like,

597
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:15.800
we're giving her like a personality.
Yeah, dude, it's really like.

598
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:24.159
Also, I've always feel like a
very close comparison for this House Elves and

599
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:31.400
Harry Potter a badly badly managed topics. Well, hold on, hold on,

600
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:37.360
are you saying that Joanne had dicey
racial politics within the Harry Potters series.

601
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.760
I know it's a surprise. I
oh boy, god it. Coler

602
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:49.599
surprised, color me surprised. I
thought that that single mom who shot it

603
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.320
and I Danna Napkin would be better
at this. No, she's just not

604
00:52:53.719 --> 00:53:00.800
hooking turf. We're terrible politics.
Yeah, but the idea there being that

605
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:07.239
they like this life and only a
few of them. They're aberrations, right

606
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:14.599
and kind of a problem. And
this girl is a fool for even like

607
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:16.559
and is like going against their wishes, like it's it's horrific, right,

608
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.679
And there is a touch of that
if you were to go too deep,

609
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:22.119
like if you were to actually try
to turn it into a thing like it's

610
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.920
turned into and Harry Potter when which
Solo sort of tries to do, which

611
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.599
is like they're happy the way they
are right, just like calm down,

612
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:34.960
you know, it's just you.
You're just the weirdo. Like see through

613
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.559
real loves being of service, right
like r T D two, like loves

614
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.719
being your bestie. Who can like
also be a superhero, you know what

615
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:45.920
I mean? Like he gets all
little it's dicey, but you know it

616
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:58.079
isn't dicey. The fact that Dave
Filoni and his brother his brother, Dave

617
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:04.679
Filoni mentioning that is brother again for
no good reason, Dave Filoni look watching

618
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.840
the Folony Zoni and Dave Filoni mentions
that he and his brother are Steelers fans,

619
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.199
and I just go, who is
his brother? Why can't I find

620
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.800
any photos of this brother? Whenever
I go, let's do it again.

621
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.559
Maybe I'm wrong. I couldn't find
the brother on duck dot go Kenny.

622
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.119
Can we talk about this, like
truly seriously hashtag brother watch this is this

623
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:29.440
is what like the fourth fifth Like
at this point, Filoni has mentioned his

624
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.840
brother in this context and these contexts, right, as if his brother has

625
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.320
anything to do with the show,
Like it's fine if it's like, well,

626
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:39.679
you know, me and my brother, I just have this one brother,

627
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.920
and so like Star Wars meant a
lot to us when we were growing

628
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:44.800
up. You know, it's just
like a thing, a good memory.

629
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.039
I'm like, got it. That's
fine, your brother. We're mentioning him

630
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:53.239
again, mentioning him to say that
the reason that this evil R three units

631
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.800
is gold and black is because,
like he should, he could have just

632
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.760
said, I'm a Steelers fan,
but instead he said again he's bringing in

633
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.760
this brother where I'm on Google.
I'm on Google right now. The word

634
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.719
that I put in is Dave Filoni's
brother. That's the key word. All

635
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.320
right. Yes, So now,
whenever search engine optimizers are looking on things

636
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.599
to capitalize on, someone can write
a blog article of who is who is

637
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:21.840
Dave Filoni's brother? Tell me more? All right? Yeah, first,

638
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.639
first six images that we see,
all right, you ready, I'm sorry,

639
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:29.400
I'll even expand this to eleven images. Why here we go. Okay,

640
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.920
you can just image Image number one, all right, Dave Filoni in

641
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:40.559
his classic Fedora. Nice. Image
number two day Filoni with Colon trooper helmet.

642
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.360
Okay, he's not wearing it.
He's still in his Fedora. No

643
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:49.039
surprise. Okay. Image number three
Dave Feloni and I am dB. Look

644
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.559
at John Favreau with Grogu in the
middle. They're about to kiss. Here

645
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:57.559
we go, all right. Dave
Filoni. Image number four Dave Filoni after

646
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:04.199
the premiere of The Mandaloriau in proximity
to Gina Corano. It looks like huh

647
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:08.039
man. Image number five Dave Filonia
looking on finally because he's like this Star

648
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:12.599
Wars stuff is really cool. I
love Star Wars. There. Image number

649
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:16.519
six Dave Filoni was a Caling trooper
helmet. Now again, remind you asked

650
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:22.280
me if you could just remind me
what keyword I put in? You put

651
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:29.880
in brother. I put in Dave
Filoni's brother. That's okayword Kenny. Have

652
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:35.800
we consider he doesn't have a brother? Who is this brother? Why don't

653
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:39.679
we know anything about? Why have
we considered that it's not he doesn't exist.

654
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:47.400
That Dave Filoni, much like Chekhov, isn't an only child and doesn't

655
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:53.440
have a brother. Oh my gosh, oh is he? Who is this?

656
00:56:54.280 --> 00:57:00.480
Who's doing this? Who's putting this? Who is doing this? Who

657
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:07.480
is Dave Filoni's brother? We don't
know. We don't know what happened.

658
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:14.000
Wow, do we just maybe just
do Google search real quick? Let's just

659
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.360
see Google Star Chasmin Dave Bolony.
Yeah. I'm like, I'm like,

660
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:23.119
maybe you just didn't see it.
Yeah, you're right, obviously obviously,

661
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:27.360
how rich is Dave Filoni? Who
is Dave Filoni? George Lucas Like,

662
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.800
I also wrote brother and nothing is
coming up? Brother? What Dave Filoni

663
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:37.480
wife, Dave Felonie at Worth?
What is happening? There's nothing you're telling

664
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:42.360
me that Dave Filoni not want Yeah, took his brother to a Star Wars

665
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.079
from here? If he loves this
brother so much and is just like,

666
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.880
oh Steelers fan, that's why our
three ls U s sex looks like.

667
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:54.280
This is why he didn't take his
brother to one Star Wars from Here?

668
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:59.880
Why what happened? I literally was
like, Dave Filoni brother read it?

669
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.760
You'd think someone on Reddit, which
someone would have found this out. Someone

670
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.440
would have been like, he keeps
me miserating his brothers. Anybody like know

671
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:10.079
whose brother is? I'm not even
I'm not even nothing. Oh my god,

672
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:15.000
maybe the brother wants to be intensely
private. Sure could I respect that?

673
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.199
Yes? Or I could treat this
as a conspiracy all the way to

674
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:27.719
the top. Who's at the top, Dave Filoni's brother. He is the

675
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:36.360
top. Oh my god, what
that aff There's nothing there? Oh my

676
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:43.519
god, what is happening? There's
so little Also, it just seems like

677
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:49.280
there is so little material to be
like, here is so the production materials.

678
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.960
Here's like the day to day of
what it was like to work on

679
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:57.320
the Clone Wars. At least in
my in my limited research, there's no

680
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.320
way there is a the Clone Wars
compaign. But it seems like that is

681
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:05.840
just like about like behind the scenes
aren't work, the production arn't work,

682
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:08.719
And it's not necessarily about the process. It's just like here's some cool alternative

683
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:14.480
things and it's still kind of within
the the wheelhouse of all this is fine.

684
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:19.840
Meanwhile, what we do know is
that Lucasfilm built an animation studio from

685
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:24.599
the ground up and George ordered one
hundred episodes. That's a huge, huge,

686
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:29.119
huge project to take a lot.
What does that have to do with

687
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:34.519
Dave Feloni's brother. Nothing, not
at all. Every day but now this

688
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:38.039
is like the second time that fulony, like third or fourth, like third

689
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:43.119
or fourth like he is this is
multiple time now times out. I am

690
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.400
telling you, Kenny, I even
did like I was like Dave Filoni's brother

691
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:51.239
in quotes and and Google's that's gonna, that's that's gonna light it up.

692
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.719
Should have given you a guaranteed result. No, it literally was like no

693
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:58.480
results found. Well, no Results'
brother doesn't exist, even though he keeps

694
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:04.159
mentioning this brother, Oh my brother. Actually, my favorite character was characters

695
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:09.159
with lepoos, And so that's why
Ahsoka is that. I actually didn't like

696
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:13.119
Star Wars until my brother introduced me
to it, and that's why I run

697
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.639
Star Wars now. Jesus Christ.
I actually didn't know the hats existed beforehand.

698
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:21.119
My brother, my brother was like, have you seen these? I'm

699
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:22.880
like, why does your hair look
like that? And my brother was like,

700
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.639
no, this is a hat,
you dumb dumb. Sorry, that's

701
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.320
that's why I wear a fedora.
Now there is my brother so much.

702
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.159
There's no brother, there's no brother. There's no brother, no brother.

703
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:37.360
But you know what, wait,
I cracked it even further open. Here

704
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.559
we go. I also just learned
that Dave Filoni is a Gemini. Do

705
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.880
you know what Gemini is? Do
you know what the symbol of you know

706
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:51.559
what Gemini is? Two the twins. Maybe it's like spoiler for the prestige

707
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:58.000
years after it happened. Maybe it's
like a hold on a second, you're

708
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:04.119
blowing this up. Are you saying? Are you saying that Date Piloni sometime

709
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:10.400
clocks out and his brother secretly runs
Lucasfilm as the chief creative officer. Yes,

710
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:13.599
but every once in a while he
lets it slipped there is a brother.

711
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:20.159
Yeah. I mean that could explain
why Ahsoka was such a sleepy show

712
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.719
compared to the animated shows, because
Date Ploni was like, honestly, I

713
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.360
I need my brother to come in. And that's why, like, so,

714
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:39.719
uh, what's his brother's name?
We don't know? Dave Backwards.

715
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:45.679
Yeah, like certain shows when it
like doesn't ring true, that's like that

716
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.199
part of the prestige when he's like
I love you and his wife is like

717
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.920
not today. Yeah man, yeah
mad, Yeah man, we did it

718
01:01:53.960 --> 01:02:00.480
well. I like if anyone,
if anyone has an insight on a Dave

719
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:07.480
Filoni's brother, please please send it
to us a hashtag brother watch. Yeah,

720
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:08.320
Like, if you ever, if
you ever see him, get a

721
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.760
picture, get a picky a dead
dude. He's like he's not he's what

722
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.119
is he? Well, I mean, if he is Dave Filoni. Then

723
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:19.199
he has to look like him,
so he is wearing the fedora. Anyway,

724
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.119
I thought this was a hot app. It's not nearly as like,

725
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:29.679
uh speaking of speaking of evil brothers. According to the Folony Zone behind the

726
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.159
scenes stuff on the Clone Wars,
uh huh. Blue Rays, the premise

727
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:36.119
of these apps started off with the
premise of what if R two had an

728
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.199
evil twin? I love that?
There you go. I think it's fun.

729
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.000
I mean, I it's it is, it's there. Is also the

730
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.360
piece about the guy who was like
talking about designing him, and how R

731
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:52.559
two D two truly does have a
very visually pleasing design, the fact that

732
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:58.280
he's just white and blue and has
that red piece and there's something so he

733
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.320
feels like a superheroes what he's yea, And I think that that is true.

734
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.679
I think R two D two is
like kind of just like low key

735
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:09.119
everyone's favorite character. You know,
he is a sentient Swiss army knife.

736
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.800
Really fun. But I think it's
not just like, oh, I'm just

737
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.480
using all these tools because I have
them, and I'm like using all these

738
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:22.000
tools with personality, and that is
the difference, right, sweet boy,

739
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:24.199
just a little sweet boy or two
D two. There is also some pretty

740
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:30.559
disturbing imagery because RGID two, which
you have been acquainted with since nineteen seventy

741
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:35.320
seven, possibly you see him disassembled
for the first time. It's pretty horrifying.

742
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:37.599
It feels really bad. Actually,
yeah, it feels really bad.

743
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:43.159
And then you like they're interacting with
R two D two. They're talking,

744
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.440
they're trying to pump R two for
information because as we've established in the previous

745
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.119
episode, and again does not wipe
his memory, so he's got all of

746
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:57.639
these Republic secrets. Yeah, and
so you're having a conversation with R two

747
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:04.480
D two and his I is just
popped out and it looks unnatural. He's

748
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:10.519
like he has truly taken apart.
Yeah, like like that, you're that

749
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:15.159
scene in one of the Guardians of
the Galaxy movies or whatever. We're like,

750
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.360
Nebula has been like kind of pulled
apart. That was Infinity War.

751
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:24.079
That was Infinity War. It's disgustingly
horrifying because you like, it's that kind

752
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:27.800
of ship, and it felt really
it felt really bad. I felt bad.

753
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.639
Sometimes I watch Clone Wars and I'm
like, oh, wow, kitcha

754
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.480
kitchen, which I like that we
respect kids I mean also, there was

755
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.039
a lot of shit on Cartoon Network
that it was like, oh, w

756
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:44.239
wow, you ever watched me Courage
the Cowardly Dog. No, I didn't

757
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:46.039
like spooky. I don't like spooky. I didn't like spooky stuff. Oh

758
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:50.239
I love I love spooky stuff.
I love it, and I do you

759
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:57.760
all spooks stuff? And I really
loved that show, and I you know,

760
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.159
it was Yeah, but I was
like also in to like wild shit

761
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.760
when I was young at the same
kind of stuff I am now, you

762
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:08.320
know, Like, I mean that
this is the weird magic of the prequels

763
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:12.119
and the Clone Wars. You talk
about episode one being your first experience with

764
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:20.639
Star Wars, and you know,
there are peppier things. There's something about

765
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:27.719
George Lucas being able to visually tap
into what kids like at the time and

766
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.840
just being like, let's just kind
of busy up the frame with as much

767
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.039
stuff it's going on. And then
there's also like some emotion dynamics which you

768
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:40.960
can latch onto. Yeah. Clone
Wars certainly doesn't. It's great for twelve

769
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:47.400
year olds and also thirty five year
olds. Yeah, I mean, there's

770
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:50.760
a couple of moments in this episode, even though it's a very action packed

771
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:56.719
episode. There is that piece where
Asuka can't win against Grievous, Like she

772
01:05:56.719 --> 01:06:01.119
can't. She's so pad of one. She's obviously like good at this,

773
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:05.079
but she's not going to beat him. We get a George quote. Uh

774
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:10.480
huh yeah, please, Oh,
Soka is a padawan. She wouldn't be

775
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.480
afraid of Grievous. Yeah, she's
not afraid of Grievous, but she can't

776
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.360
quite beat him just yet. Yeah, so she has to. She's not

777
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.920
like fleeing because she's terrified. It's
because she's smart and she's like, I

778
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:25.320
got to figure out how I can
do this. I'm a quick little guy,

779
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.760
you know. I can just like
get wait and she can goes into

780
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.119
that little warehouse space where she's basically
like hiding from him, and it's like

781
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:35.079
pah, and he like there's like
through the shelf kind of stuff. It's

782
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.840
scary shit. He ends up when
he finally grabs her. He grabs her

783
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:42.360
by the neck and it's horrifying because
he's just like got her and then he

784
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.719
like takes her her lightsaber and it's
just like I'm not that far my connection,

785
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.679
and then she like kind of moves
it off that she like slices off

786
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:55.480
his hand with the lightsaber. It's
just like great, and but it's it's

787
01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:00.360
yeahh Soka. So I went to
Soka for a second, So I want

788
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:05.400
to sell throws. She is great
because this is a perfect example of you

789
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.480
know, the storage quote is good. She's bad on she wouldn't be afraid,

790
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.599
but also she is afraid, Like
that's that's silly, Like the show

791
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.519
is she is like she she is. She doesn't start off afraid, but

792
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.480
then she gets afraid. Well,
she's she's brave, and that classic thing

793
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:24.440
about being brave is like just because
you're brave doesn't mean you're not afraid,

794
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:28.880
right, Like, but she does
come into it with like guns as it

795
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:31.039
were a blaze, you know,
of like I can do this, I've

796
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:33.320
got you, I need to keep
Rex safe. Is all this stuff right,

797
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:38.599
But then it's like I'm a little
smarty, I gotta get myself out

798
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.119
of this and I can do it. And like, I just feel like

799
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.360
it's a very distinctly Ashsoca type of
moment and I yeah, there's just only

800
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:54.199
a lot of really great pieces to
it. Meditexturally, it's yeah, because

801
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:59.760
my mind is just associates the Clone
Wars and Folony one to one and every

802
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:02.119
time, and I'm hearing like,
oh, George has this note. I'm

803
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:05.840
like, that's right, George Lucas
is involved with this. It is really

804
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.559
funny because he's not in any of
these futurettes, Like George isn't in any

805
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:17.319
of them, and neither is Felony's
brother. Wait a second, Yeah,

806
01:08:17.800 --> 01:09:23.159
speaking of ladies, women and girls, what about King's wife? Oh?

807
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:29.079
Sorry, that music cue stepped on
a legitimate piece of analysis that you want

808
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.399
to go down. But you know, I figured that was as great a

809
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:35.600
segue into the next portion of our
show as anything. And I have a

810
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:41.239
steaky suspicion that that might fit into
what your possible ship may be. I

811
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:45.439
will, I will, I will
use this opportunity to like talk about this

812
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:51.199
and then talk about serious stuff.
It's fun. You just understand shape of

813
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:56.199
show, and I really appreciate you. I need to talk about something.

814
01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.560
Oppression is going on. I would
just like to say things don't feel great.

815
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:08.039
You know what. I don't like
war asmen. You should you should

816
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:12.479
develop a new character for your SNL
audition real called the aggressively uh, the

817
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:17.960
incredibly active protester that has a political
views. I show up to every protest

818
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:23.640
and I go, this isn't right. I think that if you are a

819
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:30.560
person with skin, you should be
able to get a coffee. What do

820
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.640
I think about people without skin go
to the hospital? Now? Now I

821
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:40.039
just sound like girl with the like
weird opinion at a party. This conflict

822
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:49.000
has a lot of signs. It
is a conflict. Sometimes we have to

823
01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:54.239
look at we have to look at
our brothers and sisters and we have to

824
01:10:54.359 --> 01:11:00.640
go yep. And also sometimes they're
neither a brother or they're a third thing.

825
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:08.359
Entirely, that's a thing. It's
a good character political as you could

826
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:13.840
be. Yeah. So still even
with that one, Republicans would be like,

827
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:17.720
no, no, I don't think. I don't like Oh I didn't

828
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:23.960
like that. Wow, I don't
drink coffee. Who drinks coffee? Liberals

829
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:30.439
girls? Liberals? Liberals? Ah
h Yeah. Let's name our favorite ships

830
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:32.680
that fly to the guy in our
favorite relationships like easy each other you go

831
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:38.479
first? Oh, you know what? I do have to note I found

832
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:44.359
out what the ships were from the
last episode that I couldn't name. It's

833
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:49.319
not they're not technically ships. They're
vulture droids. Vulture droids. You didn't

834
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.479
know vulture droids. I didn't know
that's what they were out in space,

835
01:11:55.039 --> 01:12:00.800
I thought. I just kept calling
them the battles Battlestar Galactica ships because they

836
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.159
are like them. Oh yeah,
they look like the Vipers, not the

837
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.560
Vipers, the Silent Raiders. Yeah, the Silent Raiders because and it makes

838
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:15.359
sense because they themselves are droids that
fly so exactly. That's that's it,

839
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:19.880
that's it. So I was not
that far off. But they are called

840
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.640
vulture droids. Oh shit. I
was so distracted realizing that that. I

841
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.800
King's wife, Mara. Wait,
no, I'll get to it. I'll

842
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:32.479
get to it. I'll get to
it. But we have to do a

843
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.319
ship first. There's an order to
this, that's right. Yes, do

844
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.800
you have a Do you have a
ship in the sky that you prefer?

845
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:42.640
You can go first if you want, I certainly do. Please Spiggo shipped

846
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:50.079
God next ship. Oh yeah,
Lizardo. Lizardo yes, play played by

847
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:55.000
Ron Pearlman, which feels like a
huge get uh. What I like about

848
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:59.600
that ship? It's basically it's a
big flying truck. It's a big flying

849
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:03.279
semi. I love starship. I
mean, I love all kinds of starships,

850
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:09.279
but I also like starships where it
just feels like a dude is working.

851
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:15.199
Yeah, it's all practical, no
style, and that is a very

852
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:21.439
attractive style for me. Man,
it was pretty rad. What's a ship

853
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:28.079
that comes in at the end to
pick them up? Jedi Starfighter, it

854
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.399
says, Jed star Fighter. But
you can't do that. We've already done

855
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:36.279
it. Yeah, I did it, and the rules could clearly state unless

856
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:41.399
you are a guest, I cannot
re use ships. I want one.

857
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:48.159
Okay, I've got one. You're
gonna get so mad at me Rex because

858
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:55.760
Rex has to carry Goldie while they
fly down, which therefore makes him a

859
01:13:55.840 --> 01:14:10.560
vehicle. Are you mad at me? How dare you play the airbud corollary?

860
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:15.319
He's so mad that he has to
carry out it's not he does it

861
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.119
say that Rex with the jet pat
can't be a vehicle here in the rule

862
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:25.239
book. He's definitely just is a
ship that flies to the stars. He

863
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:29.479
does it. It's pretty great.
I love it. I learned it.

864
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:35.960
Okay, But here's the good one. Relationships. Here's mine. Well,

865
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:40.600
hold on, I gotta go on
order because my God make sure. Sorry,

866
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:43.960
let's make sure all right, I'm
sorry, I'm just trying to use

867
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.479
this as my you know, making
making your first appearance on here. Yes,

868
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:57.279
Sulu and Chekhov, oh right,
interesting because more tell me more.

869
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:06.439
Everyone is just like man, check
Off's really mad that uh the Klinton's killed

870
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:12.840
his brother, and Sulan's like,
what are you talking about? Checkoff doesn't

871
01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:16.119
have a brother. He's an only
child. I had some pretty intimate information,

872
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:23.479
Aspen. That's some pretty intimate information
where no one on the bridge why

873
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.680
I assume that Ohora and Chekhof are
probably hung out in the rack room.

874
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:31.119
Maybe even Spock and check Off played
a game of chess, but no one

875
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:38.199
knows that Chekhof is an only child. But Sulu, I'm sure in there

876
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:49.319
uh after coitus interplay, do it? Do it? Checkof goes. I

877
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:57.600
never felt love like this, Sulu
goes. I'm so sorry, Pablo.

878
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:08.800
You deserve love too. And it
was hard growing up as an only child.

879
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:14.960
Even though we do live in an
enlightened society in Russia, I still

880
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:19.359
had to do a lot of parent
things of my parents. And then Sulu

881
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:25.720
goes, don't worry, Pabo,
you don't have to take care of me,

882
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:33.520
let me take care of him,
and then slowly caressed check off,

883
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:40.079
less of a sexual nature and more
of a let yourself go. You're safe

884
01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:53.279
here. Such a good time,
so fun, this is so good.

885
01:16:54.439 --> 01:17:00.079
I would say, yeah, I
love it, I love it. I

886
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.600
would say it is truly intimate knowledge
to know that someone is an only child,

887
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:09.119
and you would only know that if
you had had sex with that person.

888
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:13.720
That's true. It's never just casually
mentioned. No, no one would

889
01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:19.319
ever know that. Anybody on this
podcast, or more than one person.

890
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:31.720
No one would ever know that.
Okay, here's Mine King and Maara.

891
01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:39.359
Oh, big surprise, big surprise, big surprise. Obviously they are Mara,

892
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:43.760
who is King's wife and also the
science officer. She's a science officer,

893
01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:48.279
which also begs larger questions of what
does it mean to be a science

894
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:54.720
officer on a ship that is composed
of Klingons who seem just so bred for

895
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:58.000
war? What does that mean?
What is the status as opposed to like

896
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.159
the Enterprise where Spock is like science
officer and basically first officer. Extremely important?

897
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.560
Anyways, continue I think it isn't
and I'm sure they are looking up

898
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:11.439
some science too, like what's the
science of battle. What's the science of

899
01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:16.119
what makes a man suffer? My
lord? Who can use two knives instead

900
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:25.199
of one? Wow? Thank you
science officers. It's crazy that we have

901
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:30.760
such high falutint ideas and we're just
like, does this metaphor actually track in

902
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:35.680
terms of trying to examine imperialist notions? Is this an outdated mode of thinking?

903
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:40.800
Are we in fact contributing to a
problematic dialogue? And at the same

904
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:45.760
time we can also feel like,
what if they used two knives? I

905
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.920
just want you to know, Kenny, and I want everybody listening to know

906
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:58.000
that we're not just smart and hot
and the coolest people you've ever met.

907
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:03.000
We're also really funny. Really,
I wish I had my be Id and

908
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:10.760
Pain Award here. Wow, but
it's over a Heidi's my partner. Oh,

909
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:21.399
we're also not just hot and smart
and funny. We also have partners

910
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:27.840
Kak and Maara. I think it's
like pretty like it feels like a very

911
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:30.960
powerful relationship. It's definitely one of
those like this is a power couple.

912
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.600
They seem to deeply respect each other. I very much love it. Beyonce

913
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:42.720
and jay z situation without the cheating. I was just talking about that today,

914
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.359
because I don't know the King or
Maura would ever cheat on the other.

915
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:51.319
That is a real connection right there. I am using this as a

916
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:56.039
bit of a lunchpad just to if
anybody's like I would like to watch this

917
01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:59.520
episode just say, you know a
little bit of content warning of attempted sexual

918
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:03.560
assault. It does feel like it
feels it doesn't feel out of place in

919
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:09.159
the episode, because there are different
ways that people engage in battle and war,

920
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:15.199
and one of those ways is by
sexually assaulting people, and a lot

921
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.720
of times it is usually women.
Especially if we're thinking of this as a

922
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:24.520
we're thinking of this as a kind
of a Vietnam like a kind of a

923
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:30.159
conflict of like the other, of
like what we feel we can do to

924
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:38.840
the other. It's it's very iffy
because it's Chekhov who's doing it, and

925
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:44.720
what he's saying to her is like, you're an animal like them, like

926
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:48.960
the ones who kill my brother doesn't
exist, but you're also very beautiful and

927
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:54.039
he's like gott a fucking rapert and
I and it just it made me feel

928
01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:59.720
again, it wasn't like it had
no place in the episode, but I

929
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:02.960
do think it becomes very difficult in
an episode of there being two women,

930
01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:09.039
basically there's a horror who pres little
freak out and then horror. It is

931
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:13.359
always a little difficult when you're just
like ooh, this level of like visceral

932
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:17.159
like horror is a lot. And
then I believe Kirk runs up pulls check

933
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:23.640
Off off of Mara, and then
they it might be Kirk and some other

934
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:27.880
faults, but they literally say it's
not his fault. He starts to like

935
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.439
really punch check Off, and I
think it's Spock, who's just like,

936
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.840
it's not yeah, it's not his
fault. It's not his him. It's

937
01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:41.560
like this thing making him do this. Maybe like it definitely soured me on

938
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.760
check Off a little bit, right, I mean, yeah, I know

939
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.399
he is representing pure like hatred and
anchor, and this is one of the

940
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:57.199
ways that war and horror is enacted. It doesn't feel particularly great to watch.

941
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:03.479
I'm not say it shouldn't be in
there. Well, also, Mara

942
01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:09.520
is kind of treated as Amara is
an object. He is an object,

943
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:13.640
and that is partly why. And
that's why I will say, despite the

944
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.439
fact that I am saying, it's
not like I'm like, ugh, this

945
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:21.159
brings it down for me, it
would it feels even more bad because she

946
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:24.920
basically gets just pulled into the things. She doesn't get to really be a

947
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:28.119
person. They finally use her as
a pond to try to get King to

948
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:30.840
understand he still won't. She finally
relents it as like, oh, I

949
01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:34.439
see what's actually happening. Now I
believe you, And she gets does get

950
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:39.840
to have some kind of power in
the end, but she becomes the thing

951
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:45.600
that like, you know, like
I I don't particularly feel I don't know,

952
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.439
you know, like when there's like
it's like okay, there's like attempted

953
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:51.960
sexual assault, and like a dude
runs in and starts like beating up on

954
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.079
the guy who attempted it, and
I'm just like, it always feels very

955
01:22:56.159 --> 01:23:00.319
much like about property, like women
as property, as opposed to like for

956
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:02.800
good reason, you know, it
has that very Bridgerton esk of like you've

957
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:06.119
just chrazed my sister, now you
fucked me over too kind of thing,

958
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:11.239
and whereas it like not about her
as a person. So it's just to

959
01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:17.079
me, it's a very like I
don't particularly like it. I'm not saying

960
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:19.960
it shouldn't have been. In the
episode, but I would have preferred,

961
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:24.079
you know, Mara as a character
that like we've seen a couple of times

962
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:27.920
now with like women who actually are
very like nuanced and part of this.

963
01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.600
So anyway, that's just my little
ramble that I used my ship at Starship

964
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:38.720
to go on. But I still
thought that, like the Kaying Mara relationship

965
01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:41.800
still felt very like powerful to me. And where do you have shipping?

966
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:46.880
Also worse and earlier jafs because uh, Kirk was also going to do stuff

967
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:53.359
with Mara as well, and Jesus
Christ, I fucking hate it. Then

968
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:58.239
was going to be like wowed a
little bit by Kirk being like, wow,

969
01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:00.880
you're so charismatic and stuff. Eh, well but it got removed,

970
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:06.119
thank god, Jesus Christ. Yeah, it was already which was on the

971
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:10.479
edge, which was not a Genie
Beanie moment. I was about to say.

972
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:13.000
I was like, is this genie
Beanie in here again, being like,

973
01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:15.880
oh my gosh, it's like the
ladies like that, you know,

974
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:24.760
they don't they don't. Yeah,
So that's our ships and that's our ship.

975
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:30.000
Yeah, so that's our funny part
of the of the episode. Excellent,

976
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:35.079
hilarious. So now we have to
rank them indeed, let's let's ditch

977
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:40.319
the pretense of us being open minding
folks that are just trying to understand our

978
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:45.319
way in the world, because it's
always evolving, ever changing the way that

979
01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:49.399
we interact with the world. No, no, there is right and there

980
01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:54.800
is wrong. And we decided every
week by deciding which one is better Star

981
01:24:54.920 --> 01:25:03.199
Trek or Star Wars. That's right
us. And again just remind you,

982
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:06.800
the episodes that we are ranking are
duel of the Droids from Star Wars the

983
01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:12.520
Clone Wars season one versus A Day
of dub from Star Trek the original series

984
01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:17.880
season three. Since I went first
with my ships and stuff, asked,

985
01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:20.920
why don't you go first? I
think because you went first last time.

986
01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:25.399
No, I went first last time
to rank them in the last episode,

987
01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.680
you should go first to rank Oh, this time with Dula droids. I'm

988
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:34.800
gonna give it a six. MM. I don't like that, that's fine,

989
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:44.000
all right. I support that.
I found my the emotional meat was

990
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.119
a lot less strong compared to the
previous episode, and the action was just

991
01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:53.359
kind of okay. I found my
attention wandering a little bit, uh,

992
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:57.159
and that's why. But it's still
also giving me the star Wars vibes that

993
01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:01.199
I love very much. I give
it a say. I think the last

994
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:06.039
episode I gave like a seven point
something seven point seven I did, or

995
01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:10.720
I really liked that episode, didn't
I it's a it's a good episode,

996
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.720
which is interesting because listening to a
more civilized age, they were quite cool

997
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:18.439
on this arc and saying that these
characters are acting out of character versus here

998
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:25.399
where maybe it's just my stupid context, stupid context brain, but I was

999
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.560
like, I'm very much vibing with
this episode, and I'm very much vibing

1000
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:34.399
with the emotion, like the high
intensity emotion of Anakin because he's lost so

1001
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:41.560
much. We understand through having watched
Star Wars, how powerful R two D

1002
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.840
two is, and so you understand
why Anakin loves R too so much,

1003
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:51.560
and also you understand how other people
kind of treat droids. Yeah, I

1004
01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:57.199
mean Anakin's We know that it's about
our two, but we know it's about

1005
01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.359
more than our two. It is
Anakin's terror of losing people droids that he

1006
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:06.520
loves because of what's happened to him
and who he is. It's actually a

1007
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:11.560
real character like it's it's one of
those moments that like you you find throughout

1008
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:15.720
Clone Wars where you're like, why
would Anakin lose his mind so severely?

1009
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:18.840
Like later on to like have like
to make choices just to save Padme's life,

1010
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:21.880
right like because you're like, oh, yeah, okay, absolute terror

1011
01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:26.960
that this boy has, you know, but this one, Yeah, I

1012
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.119
think you're right that. I just
was vibing real hard with those emotional moments,

1013
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.439
in those character moments. Somebody just
want to send point two point two.

1014
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:38.079
Still, I thought the action role
I was in excellent. I'm glad.

1015
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:43.439
Yeah, that brings Duel of the
Droids Collector total for this week to

1016
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:46.399
a six point six, but it's
still anyone's game as they go over to

1017
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.800
Star Trek the original series, Davia
Dove, I give this episode unate.

1018
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:58.439
Mm. You definitely talked me into
it being much like higher than I thought

1019
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:00.239
it was. I was going to
give it yeah, and again, some

1020
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.760
of some of my ranking choice might
be due to the fact that I was

1021
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:11.920
ready for a steinerl and then you
were pleasantly surprised. Yeah, it's wonderful,

1022
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:15.840
as is the central metaphor is strung
Your mind wage may vary. That's

1023
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:26.760
okay, okay. Seven point nine
interesting Aspen, which means yes, yeah,

1024
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.199
which means that that total day of
the Dove and they robust seven point

1025
01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:35.920
ninety five versus the paltry six point
six were dull. The Drys which means

1026
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:49.520
Aspen Star Truk was leak fuck you, which I feel like Colne Wars has

1027
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:55.680
been sweeping the floor with star Chair
recently. I guess your truth. No

1028
01:28:55.760 --> 01:29:01.920
beauty has been like that. I
like a lot hot app Yeah, yeah,

1029
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.960
it's fine, you can have one. It's fine, Thank you.

1030
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:10.840
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1033
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1034
01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:30.399
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1035
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a little bit, and finally the
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1036
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watched, which was gay Gay episode
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1043
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1044
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and go see Aspen do all the
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1047
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to the screen and I'm certain that
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1048
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before we call it a hot app
two made you made your DVD's kiss.

1049
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I did make my DVD's kiss.
That's true. During the I Starship At

1050
01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:00.439
theme song, Yeah Aspen, Yeah, I love you love me too,

1051
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man, audience, we love you
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1052
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:30.880
and may the force be with you. Gay you say gay? Gay?

1053
01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:43.560
Alien series gets a working title cool
is it called Alien Alien Question work?

1054
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:49.199
Never Land Alien Question? I wish
alien Pound sign Yeah.