Sept. 21, 2024

Extended Ep: Trespass v. Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (feat. Jessie Earl!)

Extended Ep: Trespass v. Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (feat. Jessie Earl!)

Aspen and Kenny are joined by the illustrious https://www.youtube.com/@JessieGender1 - you might know her from her entire job being Star Trek (and a lot of Star Wars too!). 

The trio discuss how this week's Star Trek is ironically on point about race...

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Season 1

Aspen and Kenny are joined by the illustrious Jessie Earl - you might know her from her entire job being Star Trek (and a lot of Star Wars too!).

The trio discuss how this week's Star Trek is ironically on point about race by demonstrating the dangers of centrist, respectability politics. We also talk about how it’s nice to see the Jedi be more than space cops (AJAB).

Not only do we discuss our episodes of the day, the Patreon portion of the conversation was too good not to share on the regular feed. You lucky dogs.
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See Jesse, our podcast isn't like other podcasts. It's like

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you're having a conversation with with three friends, and I

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think that really sets us apart. It's like you're listening

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into two old friends.

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Yeah, it's like you're best friends.

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Well let's not, let's not put those labels.

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On it, number one friends.

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I mean I feel like I'm your best friends. Alrighty

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yeah see O God, well now it's creepy and weird.

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So now I don't know if I want to stay.

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I understand.

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Oh why did not As been moved to LA We'll

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never know. I don't know, yeah, or not like other girls.

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Oh so yeah, this is our right, this is the Patreon.

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Yeah I thought this was the Professional Put Together Show part.

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Oh yeah. Also the Professional Put Together Show part is

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also kind of like this.

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I mean, those are the best kind of shows. Frankly,

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roast dumpster, dumpster fires that just happened to be a

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show Roasted.

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I think kind of what it is actually is that

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Kenny Kenny is really on top of things and then

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like does really good little segues and then I'm like

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an asshole, Like I'll just be like, there's a funny joke.

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That is patently not true, because you're always looking at

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things through a very specific lens that I think recently

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has come up the most because you're like, that was

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clearly torture and abuse, and I was like, it's a

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sis hat, white man. It just flew over my head.

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Thank you for shaking my shoulders, which is unfortunate perspective.

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Those are always the fun podcast too. You have the

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ones his uh hat white dude who's just sort of like, hey,

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I just think this is a cool sci fi show

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and you're just like, no, it's it's it's it's fucked

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up to women and queer people and you should feel

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bad for enjoying this piece of media.

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Kenny, I'm bad, and believe me, I do. That's why

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I only like Star Wars the Clone Wars.

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Now.

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As as women, it is our job to ruin every

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piece of media that you ever held.

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You so I appreciate it.

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Yeah, yeah, this reminds me of it. Have you ever

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seen this? There's this hark a Vagrant. Do you ever

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see the comic?

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It's like, no, no, I haven't.

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I just been thinking about it lately because there's like

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a comic. I'll send it. I'll send it to you guys.

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Then like it's it's called the comic is called straw

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Feminists because it's like a straw man, but they're feminists

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and they just like it's like kids. Like they're like, oh,

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kids going to.

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Bad, like right, and the straw feminists come in through

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the window and they're like, hello, we want to kill

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all the men's like anyway, the idea we want destruction.

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Oh, I worked hard, just slowly erode the you know,

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the eurocentric society. You know, just do it every day,

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you know.

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So anyway, what cool should you were just saying, Jessice

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that you were watching.

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Oh yeah, wait to hear well, well, I was saying

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before we were recording, I was like, what am I watching?

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And it's like, I I have a show that I'm

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binging that's just like an older show, and then a

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show that I don't think is necessarily great or I

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would argue it's gotten good, but I'm passionate about defending

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and that one is Lord of the Rings, The Rings

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of Power. Oh yes, yeah, I like it. So season

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one was like my guilty pleasure. I'm like, this isn't good.

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It's it's a sloppy, hot mess. But I like, I

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weirdly like being in this world, and they kind of

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nail the feel and the vibe and like the the

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like production level of it, and like some of the

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music is fantastic. I'm actually interviewing Baron McCreery after the

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season yams he is. He is so fucking good, so

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I'm very pontent to that. But but this season I've

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actually been like, it's legitimately good. It's not great. It's

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not like this is stellar a plus take TV, but

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like there's some fun ideas here. I think like Saluron

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being just a manipulative, bitchy co worker Brimborg. I'm just

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like I am here for this, like petty asshole Salaron

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guy uh. And then just like other aspects of it, uh,

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I'm trying to remember off the top my head, Like

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I love all the Durham and Lisa stuff, like Lisa

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is my fucking queen. And I think there's like some

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cool uh like elements that they add into Tolkien, like

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the outright to merchants get angry about it, but like, sorry,

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I'm ranting at you. I have not had a chance

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to like read this, but like the outrage mergans get

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angry oh this is good, This is good. But yes, yeah,

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the outrage mergans like they get pissed off about like, oh,

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if they're changing token, I'm like, it's an adaptation. They're

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allowed to change things if it's not what you want

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from like an adaptation, that's cool. It's definitely not a

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one for one of token and if that bothers you,

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that's chill. But they get all angry about like black

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doors whatever. But like one of the onliest that I

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like is like they they have added this like humanization

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of the Orcs into it, which is like very It's

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not like deep or anything like that, but like ads

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like they have their they have the Adder has his

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own agency, has on desires separate from sourn that you

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get to see that they have families, and it adds

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just like cool sense of tragedy to like the later

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elements when you see Orcs where it's like, oh, they

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could have been allies, but because of Souron's manipulations that

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we sort of see building up, they end up like

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not being that and just viewed as like just people

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to shit upon throughout the tht Lord of the Rings,

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And I think that like adds depth to Tolkeien in

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a way I think you would have found interesting. So

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like I, like I said, I don't think it's a

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fantastic show, but like production value is a cozy show.

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I really like it.

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Oh I love this. Okay, So I haven't watched the

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newest season. I literally the other night was like I

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gotta do this. But I loved the first season. Yeah,

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because it was that. I was like, you know what,

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Lord of the Rings the trilogy best thing I've ever

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seen in my life, while I ever seen in my

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entire life, dominated dominated my entire personality.

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As everyone from our generation really read.

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All the books billion times, you know, just like on

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it read the silm allion loved it. I was like,

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this is I have not felt this since watching those movies,

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and what of Like what a special little feeling to

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have the child who transcribed every poem into a little journal.

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I don't know if I can do it on the

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shirt because the shirt kind of hides it, but like

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I have a small tattoo on my shoulder. Were in

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the Lonely Mountain there and kind of see it there. Yeah,

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so I am, I am, I am right there with you.

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I love it. I Yeah, I felt very watching the

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first one, I just felt like I was having fun. Yeah,

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very dynamic and interesting, and yeah, the production value is beautiful.

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So I'm glad that. I'm glad that the second season is.

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Season two is a lot of fun because now you

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know who sourn is, and he just gets to be

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like like he's just like a petty, petty bitch just

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going around being like whispering and people's ears, like that

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guy was kind of rude, right, and You're like, yeah

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he was. He's like, I don't know, maybe you should

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do something about it. Like that's the vibe, and I

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love it. It fits soeurn. It's fits sour On so much

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when you read the simorellion and.

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I love it, like folly of man shit. Of course

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it would be because it's just like, oh my god,

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I think he's stealing your sandwich exactly. Now we're flooded.

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Oh boy, do oh my gosh. Yeah, not to like

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dwell on criticism, but I had seen I had seen

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the criticism around the Orcs and a lot of response

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to it, being like, hey, I told her himself was

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like talked about them, like being affected and sort of

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drawn to the side. So I'm also calm down.

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I mean it's I mean I'm doing a video on

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it now I had the outrage. Yeah, I mean I'm

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just touching upon it and briefly and then it's like

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a larger problem with YouTube video that I'm doing. But

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like it's it's it's all they're doing is just having

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petty agreement in order to like uphol just like cis

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hetero patriarchal, right, like white supremacist views the world where

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it's like they women and black people are in here,

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and like the hide behind, like they'll hide that critique

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around like stupid minutia, like well this doesn't agree with

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Tolkien lore or like Kyati Mundi wasn't alive at this point.

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According to a trading card from the Star Wars fandom,

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like there was a there was a trading car. It's

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like who the fuck gives a ship. It's just dumb agreement,

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agreement with politics that's hidden behind stupid more minutia.

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So yeah, it's it's it's racism. That's yeah, very much

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racism turns out like this when you like look behind

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the cart and it's always racism.

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It's like the Scooby Doo you just lifted. I was like,

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racism you again.

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Jenny Nicholson once did this four hour video on The

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Vampire Diary. There is something about Bonnie. She had like

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all these like post it notes up and then at

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one point she was like, I wonder why they traded

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Bonnie this way, and like an hour and she finds

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a post it note it just says racism, and she goes, oh,

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that's where it was.

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Yeah, perfection, perfection. Yes, I love it.

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Yeah, I really, I'm okay, I'm glad. I'm just glad

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to hear.

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That season too. We should get because I need more

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friends to talk about it with. But the only oh,

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the other thing I was mentioning on watching I'm watching

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The Americans. I'm like binging that for the first time.

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Which is a very fun show to watch that it

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is it is a spy Well it's a it's a

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spy show that actually is a show about marriage. It's

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very very good.

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Yeah, oh like that's exactly what I say. What is it?

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Mister and missus Smith.

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Was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You think it's about spies, but it's actually about a

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relationship and.

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That's what that's what The Americans is. Though a lot

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though I have not seen mister miss Smith. I assume

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a lot more depressing than that Showice.

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Yeah, yeah, that's rough, but yeah, Americans much longer, more

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more Russian.

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It's very good. It's it's it's fantastic as a series,

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and I've been really enjoying it. I'm working on I'm

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working on a feature film script that I'm hoping to

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pitch that's like Star Wars and or kind of political

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thriller sci fi sort of thing. So I'm watching a

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bunch of like spy ship to to kind of prepare

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for that, so I know I want I want like

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more grounded thriller sci fi, like just like Star Wars. Anders.

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I'm like, all right, well I'll just Sano so I'll

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do it myself sort of thing. So ah, a feature too,

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I know, yeah, we'll see.

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I'm sorry asking where do you? I don't remember where

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you live? If you know the word feature, where do you?

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Yeah?

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Where do you?

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Pasadena?

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Not even Los Angeles. I'm like, I'm I'm south of

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L a like way south of LA. So I can't judge,

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So you're fine.

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Someone did tell me. They were like, oh, I'm working

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on scripts, and I was like, oh cool, what kind

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and they said feature and I literally was like, my

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first lat was I have no idea what that means.

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And then I had to like eight.

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I was like, I'm pretty sure it's a movie, just movie, movie,

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like just movie, this TV and then this feature and

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then the short film and then you could probably find

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some weirdo who will come up with any more of

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than those, the basically the three things So animation, I guess, yeah,

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it's so Weirdough.

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No? Because, like I said at the top, it's like

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a conversation with like old friends, what are you watching

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right now? I'm watching Brooklyn ninety nine. But the thing

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that I want to talk about, we're speaking of man

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children that are adhering far too much to twenty five

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to thirty plus year old properties. Uh. For some reason,

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I have just recently got into listening to people talk

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about Timothy's On's aired at the Empire trilogy. I read

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the first two books recently and I found them very

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mid and I am wondering if it is me am

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I the drama, or because there's so much that toxic

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element that are being like here The Empire was actually

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the best episode seven The Empire is like the best

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thing Timthy's On is God. Uh. And while I did

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grow up with Star Wars, I never really grew up

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with the novels. I didn't really become the aggressive reader

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uh until like two or three years ago, whenever school

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was in the rear view, and suddenly I was like, oh,

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this is fun and easy whenever I can just read

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things asman, have you read here to the Empire?

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The Empire I have, I mean my stuff. I mean

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if you go in my house anytime, you'll find there's

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a literal wall of Star Trek books. So that was

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like always my thing. I'm a huge Star Trek book fan.

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I know way too much about the fucking novels in

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the Starterreuk universe, but the Star Wars books, I'm like,

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I was more casual in like I've dabbled here and there,

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but I have read all of the Timothy's On ones.

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for Air to the Empire, like I I appreciate I

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appreciate them in a lot of the extended universe stuff

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for just how wild they get and I appreciate them

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for like doing what the Disney Star Wars films didn't do,

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which is like trying to do different stuff as opposed

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to just redoing the original trilogy. So like, I'm like,

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at least these are trying to do different things. But

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I agree with you, they are like in and of themselves,

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kind of mid especially when compared to like more Sith

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that we've sent that we've gotten sense, and even more

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Star Wars like andandor that we've gotten sense. I will

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say the I mean people like complain about uh like, oh,

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they didn't do Air to the Empire for episodes seven,

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which I do think would have been a better choice

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than what they did, but like only just because it's

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more interesting as a concept. However, Uh, the best, the

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best one things that timothy's On has written in the

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Star Wars universe are the ones that he's written in

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Cannon with the Disney stuf, like his throng book, which

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is the which is the like first one, like the

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first canon one that he's done is actually pretty fantastic.

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This is what your partner, Joel says, right, Yes, my

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partner has read those books and he really enjoyed them.

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more like a prequel, even one about like his whole

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backstory before those, which is it the ones I think

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I haven't I haven't read those ones, but I've read

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the trilogy that's like when Thron joins the Empire and

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like his story kind of all the way up until

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like the end of uh start of a New Hope. Essentially,

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those are really really good, and I would even if

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you just read the first one. The first one kind

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of stands on its own. It is it is basically

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like Sherlock or I guess like Sherlock has kind of

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It's like he's basically like a Sherlock Holmes, but he's

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like a neurodivergent boy who was figuring out how fascism works. Uh,

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He's just like hmmm, I'm It's like, I'm really really

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smart and I know how fascism and I I can,

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like neurodivergent, how like hierarchy and fascism works, and I

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can I can win this game and be really good

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at it. That's basically the whole book. What if a

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neurodivergent alien blue alien man's hyper obsession was fascism?

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I mean, look, you brought up Star Trek books. Let's

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talk about articles of the Federation.

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Yeah, I have to go up.

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I'm about to sell you on Star Trek lit verse,

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which I find.

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No, no, no, I will I will wait. I will

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wait with you because I agree. This is like what

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I am very passionate about these books.

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I'm about halfway through the giant list of Post Nemesis

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lit verse, which a Time two series was so for

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the most part, so wonderful and somehow made Star Trek

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Nemesis better, which is one of my favorite sides of

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tie in fiction, which is just like this terrible movie. Uh,

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here are all the reasons why all these characters were

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behaving out of character. I want to say, Crusher, Crusher

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is there, Here's why Warf is there, Here's here's an

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in character reason for why Wharf is here, and character

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so thrilling.

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It's it's it's so you're basically saying everything that Dave

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Feloney's been doing since the Disney Stars there is just

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trying to make those movies. It's somewhat more justified. I

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will I will say, I will say, I will say

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the Star Trek Expanding Universe, I agree, with you completely

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like the expanded Star Trek Expanded Universe post Nemesis novels

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are some of the are just absolutely fantastic and I

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think have some really really beautiful things in them, and

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like there's a lot of like I think Star Trek

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has generally been doing overall pretty good. That I have

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issues Star Trek for Card being probably the biggest one

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just as a show, but but I generally like it.

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But my biggest sadness with like New Start to because

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they wiped that entire book, like Timeline from the Map.

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At least they do get to end it, like they

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have a three books the ends the story, which I

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do appreciate.

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But super excited to get to what you should read.

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I don't like they're all great, but anything by Una McCormick, God,

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yeah she is a god. She agreed.

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Way to the Stars is one of my favorite Star

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Trek books. What is it not in Enigma Tales but

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the That's Ever, the never Ever sacrifice?

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That one's that is that her? Yeah? Yeah, I was

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getting it confused. Stitch in Time which is Andrew Robinson,

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which is also great.

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But yes, I'm excited, but I never expected to be like,

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oh a story about Rugel a character in one episode

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and then to just be like it's it's an absolute

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epic that I never ever expected to to just adore mccorn.

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It's like I was just looking it up. Like her book,

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she has one that's a startup, a card novel, so

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she so she wrote all those like car like like

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her books in the Extended Universe Timeline for you As,

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but are like about mainly focused on Cardassie. I'm gonna

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pitch to see it because they're my favorite two.

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I'm just getting on this.

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I'm just happy to be here.

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They all take place on like Cardassia post the Post

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like Deep Saxe nine, and they're about a society trying

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to rebuild from fascism and knowing they have caused harm.

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And she just writes so beautifully about it. She did

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this whole series about like a Cardiassia rebuilding. It's like

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an entire book about like academia on on Cardiasia, Like

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how do they like they've been academia has been suppressed

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for so long, so how do they rebuild that? And

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like it's a really interesting series. And then they just

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because the new Star Trek books came out there Star

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Trek seriously about they had to wipe that all from

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Cannon And then she did another book in the start

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tup of card Timeline that's completely like completely just a

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whole new verse version of it, and it's still really

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beautiful and is one of the I think the the

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best like deepest looks at like, how do you how

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do you recover from realizing you're complicit in a genocide?

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Can how does anyone build that it's his second self?

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It is?

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It is, it is. It is so good. It is

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like can can every when when you are in a

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society that is fascistic and causing a genocide, everyone is

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hurt and can anyone fully heal from that trauma? And

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how do you do that? And she does sprites it

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really beautifully and it's it's it gets in difficult subjects.

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I'm like, give her all the money to make a

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Star Trek show because I, oh my gosh, yeah, absolutely.

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Uh the very appealing for me, I'm a.

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Boy anything but.

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Which is so exciting for the preface of our podcast,

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because I've never watched The Clone Wars The Last Best Hope.

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I was reading that and I was just like, this

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is a wonderful sequel to Star Tech Nemesis, and an

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evolution of the character of a card in a way

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that is completely unexpected, and so much more. I think

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trying to get to the themes that season one was

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getting to was attempting. I assumed that Patrick Stewart's ego

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and love of driving dune buggies got in the.

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I don't disagree, but mm hm.

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Did you do you? Oh you didn't like the Last

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Best Home?

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I did? I did?

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Oh?

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She said, she she doesn't disagree.

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Oh, I was saying. I was saying, I don't sorry.

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I was. I was like, I was like, keep going,

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and then you.

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Start, yeah, what did I do wrong? I mean, it's

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it's it's it's a wonderful look at the collapse of

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a society, and whenever an ideal who adores the system

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holds up the system in high regard and is a

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defender of the system, and then suddenly the system fails

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underneath him, and it's just why wasn't that the show?

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If you can only bring back Jean Luke Picard, why

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not that That's well, if you're not going to do

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a murder, she wrote with Picard, then then why not

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do do this and the answer is because he didn't

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want to put on a uniform.

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I guess, well, yeah, it's my theory on it is

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too that like this was kind that was kind of

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the pitch for the series, but then it kind of

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needed to be forced into the like we need to

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have big explosions and a beam to the sky at

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the end sort of thing, and like Game of Thrones

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it up as well. So it's just it's it's weird

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because I do still argue that season one of Pericard

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is the best season of the show, mainly just based

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on like it has the most interesting ideas, but still

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it's just a very The whole series is just an

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exercise in how much it can frustrate me with wasted potential.

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It's which is why it's so wild that it seems

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like Star Trek has really found its foot recently. Yeah,

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Discoveries shaky.

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It's like them. I always describe Discovery is like the

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messy aunt who shows up at the party with the

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weed that you're not supposed to tell your parents she has,

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and you're like, you are messy, but I really enjoy

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hanging out with you.

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What happens when you have five showrunners in two years,

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I guess it's not, but you know, at least it's

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trying for things. Yeah, and then you know it's really

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hit its stride and I'm so excited for the Justin

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Simmey and Tawny k Newsome show. So yeah, it's so

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wild everything Section thirty one is the biggest question mark

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for me. And even then, I'm like, Okay, if it's bad,

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it's bad. That's that's fine with me.

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Just trying things, and I appreciate that it's not just

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like Stranger Worlds. I go back, like season one, I

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liked of Strange Worlds a lot. Season two, I was like,

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outside of two episodes, but like, yeah, yeah, I have

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I have actual video issues. Yeah I did a whole

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video and I have I have majors uses a Strange

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World season two outside of the trial episode and the

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lower X crossover episode. Actually thought we're both fantastic.

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Yeah, and the trials, yeah.

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They're both really good. The rest but but yeah, like

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I'm excited for Starfleet Academy, Like that's a different kind

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of thing, seems kind of fun. They got Paul Giamatti,

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which is wild, So like, yeah, I'm generally like I'm

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critical a lot of Star Trek, but like, overall, I

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think it's it's it's a lot of fun, and like

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I always think Star Trek is just a great gateway

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sci fi show. Like it's it's it's just like I

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get frustrated a lot of it mispotential, and I want

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to just like I want to write it and actually

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00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:05.559
do it good, really deeply badly, but like it's a

469
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.400
great show for like anyone getting into science fiction who's like, oh,

470
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:10.599
what's some cool stuff? Because it touches upon a little

471
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:12.640
bit of everything, and then you can be like, are

472
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:17.799
you are you frustrated by this show? Not like this episode?

473
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.039
Not like described like getting into like Ti time rebel stuff.

474
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.759
Go read this of author, Go read or Slickkayly Gwyn

475
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.359
or Octavia Butler. They do it better differently.

476
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:31.319
So, speaking of writing Star Trek yourself, have you have

477
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:36.519
you read the stunt List script Star Trek? Oh?

478
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:37.200
No?

479
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.680
Oh wait, yes, I haven't read it, but I know

480
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.000
of it. That's the Beverly Crusher medical one, right, yes, yeah.

481
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:46.720
Uh, we're we're going to be talking to the author

482
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:50.920
of Oh Yo in like a month and change. Uh,

483
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:54.519
and we are we are it's on it's it's on

484
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.000
the calendar as so sorry, no.

485
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:02.000
I think I saw that and I was like, who's that? Uh,

486
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:04.039
cuck cuckoo.

487
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.559
It's not a perfect script, but it is.

488
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:09.079
It.

489
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.519
It bothers to get Beverly Crusher more character than possibly

490
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:18.200
that I ever got, period, and it's delicious and I

491
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.960
know it's highly unlikely, but like if Star Trek is

492
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.599
taking big swings like the wild sitcom that they're doing

493
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:28.680
and lower decks is a huge swing.

494
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.720
I mean my pitch for a show, if you want

495
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.559
to hear my Star Trek pitches, is a is it

496
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.039
basically those Articles of the Federation basically do Star Trek

497
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:43.000
West Wing, but but like get like super super political

498
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.000
with it, uh bringing in to McCormick, and like my

499
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.079
pitch for the basically my pitch for the pilot episode

500
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.759
would be first day of a new president's administration. She

501
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.000
has a bulcan like aid and like she's about to

502
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.160
be sworn in everything and she's like and then like

503
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.599
shit hits the fan. Like my pitch where it would

504
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.880
be the ex borg send out a signal like they

505
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.640
have a colony and they send out signals like hey,

506
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.400
we have a virus. We need your help, and it

507
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.160
sets off I will be like, no, we do not

508
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.400
help the borg at all, and then it just causes

509
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.039
like a very interesting sort of like crisis that she

510
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.000
has to kind of deal with while also being her

511
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.799
first aid or administration starting, and then the whole time

512
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.960
the whole episode, she's like, one of the last things

513
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.759
she needs to do to like be officially sworn in,

514
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:25.400
she needs to get a doctor's appoint me because you

515
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.240
have to like go see the doctor, get a good

516
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.720
clean bill of health, as as the leader of like

517
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.920
the federation, and so like there's a recurring joke that

518
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:34.640
the whole ups is like you need to go see

519
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.920
the doctor, and I was like, She's like, not right now,

520
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.079
and it's just a recurring bit throughout the whole episode.

521
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.720
Then at the end of the episode, like the crisis

522
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:42.240
been dealt with, Like it's the end of it her

523
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.319
first day and she's like sitting there tired in her

524
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.319
office and then someone comes in is like, hey, I'm

525
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.200
your doctor. You haven't come and seen me today. She

526
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:56.200
looks up. It's Basher and and and Basher goes and

527
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.559
Bashir goes hi. So just to let you know, I'm

528
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.759
not at I'm not just your doctor. I am your

529
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.400
liaison two section thirty one, and you could have come

530
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:06.880
to me at any point today and I could have

531
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.039
helped you with this and giving you some more information.

532
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.720
And she's like, no, fuck you, I know what Section

533
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.279
thirty one is. I don't deal with you. And so

534
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.720
it creates this whole tension about the series where she's like,

535
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.160
does she trust but sheer or not. But the end

536
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:20.960
of when she leaves the room, but Sheer goes over

537
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.200
to a console and he calls someone and it's Garrick

538
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.039
and it's revealed that he's actually working with in Section

539
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.160
thirty one to try to take it down from the inside,

540
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.519
and he thinks the President will be able to help

541
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.079
him do it. So this is constantly danced between his

542
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.079
character and her character with the whole series of like,

543
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.119
she doesn't trust him because he's section thirty one, but

544
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.039
he trusts her because she wants to take down the

545
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.799
Section thirty one. That's my pitch for a show.

546
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:42.440
I like that.

547
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.640
I like anyone bringing back my twink doctor and lizard

548
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.079
boyfriend and.

549
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.440
Them doing something different instead of being like, hey, they're

550
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.920
doing the same thing they did twenty years ago. You know,

551
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.480
that's sort of a nostalgia bait.

552
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.279
Which is Look, I think we're probably going to talk

553
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.680
about what Star Wars is doing in the main episode,

554
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:02.720
because yeah, yeah, there's so much to talk about.

555
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.640
Yes, speaking of which, not to cut off this because

556
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:08.720
I love it, this is.

557
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.880
Great, but yeah, we should probably we should probably record

558
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:12.680
an actual episode.

559
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:13.960
I should probably do that.

560
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.480
I mean part of me sometimes when we have conversations

561
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.839
like this, I'm like, it's just we can just release

562
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:19.519
the whole thing.

563
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.799
If you If you did release this, I'm happy with

564
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.200
it because I was like, I wish these are good.

565
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.160
This is a good conversation. I would just share this

566
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.880
with everybody.

567
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.720
Everyone's going to be like, who's this bozo? Me read

568
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.759
these Star Trek books and be like, I'm sorry.

569
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.079
Most people will be like, thank you.

570
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:44.960
There's over seven hundred just fiction books alone.

571
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.079
And I turned currently seventy eight percent of them. Keep

572
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:49.559
the learning a list, and my goal is to own

573
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:50.039
all of them.

574
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.079
I'm going to say seventy eight and I was like,

575
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:52.559
impress it.

576
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.160
No, I wasn't kidding when I said earlier there is

577
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.359
a wall of Star Trek books that is not an

578
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.839
exaggeration that is very literal.

579
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.640
Extraordinary.

580
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:08.119
Sorry. Wow, Well, speaking of a wall of books, patrons,

581
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.640
I think it's time to close the book on this

582
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.640
conversation as we move on to our regular episode, Patrons,

583
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:16.759
are you exasperated by amazement?

584
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.279
No, I'm actually usually I'm very impressed.

585
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:25.599
By your exasperated my entire conduct and quite frankly, I agree.

586
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.279
Well now speaking ruined as momentum, and.

587
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.559
Let's see if I can do this speaking of exasperation, Patrons,

588
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.559
breathe a sigh of relief because this portion of the

589
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.759
episode is done. As we proceed onto our normal episode, Patrons,

590
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.440
thank you so much for listening. We'll see you on

591
00:30:45.480 --> 00:31:16.400
the other side. Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the

592
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.480
one podcast that dares to answer the most important question

593
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.599
in fandom, which is better Star Wars or Star Trek

594
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.720
by going through both franchises in chronological release order. I

595
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.440
am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent with me as

596
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.759
Per always as the co host with the me host.

597
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.400
Aspen Webster, the Star Wars loving fan.

598
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.839
Me well Aspen Aspen Lash. You're lashing out at me, Hey.

599
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.920
I got so much love, I got so much love.

600
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.559
Stop lashing out at me aspen. Wow, surely you realize

601
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.720
that this will be your final battlefield?

602
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:56.039
Oh dang, well do you? This will be your trust passing?

603
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:03.160
Thank you? I appreciate that. That's right. Today we are

604
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:07.039
covering two very normal episodes, Trespass from Star Wars the

605
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:11.160
Clone Wars season one versus the very normal episode let

606
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.039
that be your last battlefield from Star Trek the original

607
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.359
series season three? What do you? What do you go?

608
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:17.920
Do you get in that?

609
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:23.519
It's just what is crazy about this week is that

610
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:30.400
these are three very normal, very thematically separate episodes.

611
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.359
Yeah, oh oh oh, I say, I very.

612
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:40.559
But to help us investigate the thematic if there's anything

613
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.240
at all anything be wild.

614
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.200
If two randomly chronologically in their own orders episodes had

615
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.920
anything to do with each other thematically, it'd be wild.

616
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.640
And I think our guest would be the first to

617
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:58.839
say that these are two aggressively a political episodes that

618
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.119
we're talking about.

619
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.119
As Star Trek and Star Wars are known to be,

620
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:02.960
as we all know.

621
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:13.480
Yes, here to jam their politics down our throat. Incredible

622
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.640
video essayist filmmaker dare I say a rack on tour

623
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:23.559
Jesse Earl Earl so so pleased to have you on

624
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.079
this podcast. Thank you so so much.

625
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:32.240
Thank you. I am ready to slowly erode Western media

626
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.559
with my agenda. So I'm very excited. All we've ever

627
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.720
asked for, that's all I've ever wanted to do. So

628
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.759
I'm just very I'm very pleased to be here. So

629
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:44.920
thank you. I'm very very pumped.

630
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.759
Yeah, and we are pumped to have you. Gotta say,

631
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.519
one of the one of the big pieces of text

632
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.880
that we have incorporated and used for our podcast in

633
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:01.440
general was your Decaying Mono myth video.

634
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.359
That I can't stop thinking about it. We always reference.

635
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.640
It's I love that video. I'm very proud of that one,

636
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.960
Aaron and I that one looked like a year to do,

637
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:11.119
so I'm very proud of it.

638
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:17.840
Yeah, it's it's six hours, yeah, Aaron Andrew and like

639
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:19.559
basically a thirty.

640
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:24.519
Minute like Star Wars animation episode for it, Like, yeah.

641
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.440
Wild it's extraordinary, Like in and of itself, it's a

642
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.199
piece of art, just like the whole thing, and then

643
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.280
in terms of like meta commentary and also just analysis

644
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.119
of everything, it's Yeah, I feel like it's truly Like obviously,

645
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.639
you have so many videos that are all great, and like,

646
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.440
I just get that one. I'm just like, so now

647
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.400
as we talk about like I will constantly, constantly reference

648
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.519
that the neoliberalism to fascism descent, like yeah.

649
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.400
Yeah, yep. It's it's so frustrating too, that video because

650
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.880
it's like I see Star Wars discourse happening online all

651
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.360
the time, and I just want to be like, people

652
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.559
just watch I know it's six hours. I know, six hours,

653
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.039
but if you all just watched it, you would understand.

654
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.920
And the way it affects the actual process of the

655
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.079
creation itself that it's like what's happening inside is happening

656
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.920
out here, and it's perpetuation of itself and it's sort

657
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.159
of constantly.

658
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.280
Yeah, oh man, the the the Also, sorry, if my

659
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.920
camera starts shaking, my cat has decided to climb all

660
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:21.559
over everything.

661
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.239
Now I have probably the cutest cat ever.

662
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.519
Oh yeah they are. We have three of them and

663
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:32.320
they're all around right now. But anyways, uh, yeah, I

664
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.360
know that that video is I am. I am very

665
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:36.840
very proud of it. But yeah, it is one of

666
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.239
those like pieces where it was just fun to create

667
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.159
because it's gotten different. We like went through and Aaron ok,

668
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.280
my co writer, I should say, who operate the video

669
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.119
and is in a large chunk of it. We uh

670
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.480
basically like kind of cut up different layers and we're

671
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.559
trying to be like this is this is what Star

672
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.480
Wars is about. But it's selling the myth that like

673
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.199
neoliberalism is selling. And it's the same thing that's affecting

674
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.639
how the show is made one hundred but also what

675
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:02.920
our country is doing and our world is doing. It

676
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.840
was it's it's very much like Star Wars is just

677
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.960
the myth of neoliberalism and and uh yeah, and once

678
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.119
you I want you to understand that. It like makes

679
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.599
reading every single other Star Wars piece of media like

680
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.719
you're like, oh I get it now. It's it's yeah,

681
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.000
it's just interesting.

682
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.360
Speaking of which is gonna be such a silly question

683
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.519
to ask, But Jessee, what what's your what's your experience with.

684
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.760
Star Wars and Star Trek? It is kind of my

685
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:39.559
full time job to a degree, Like yeah, you know,

686
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.360
I dabble, you know, it's fine. It's not like I

687
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.719
have tattoos. In my entire house is just Star Trek stuff.

688
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:46.920
And you're you're more of a Babylon.

689
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.480
Yeah, I mean I do have a Babylon five podcasts,

690
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:55.639
so there is Yeah.

691
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.920
That's that. That's actually that makes sense. Most people are

692
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.440
always like once they hear that, I'm meant to these,

693
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.880
they're also like Babylon five and I'm like, I'm sorry

694
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:02.679
I should and.

695
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.239
They're like, yes, it's very it is very good. It

696
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.360
is a show that's like, you watch it and like,

697
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.199
this is super It's like the one of the most

698
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.400
political star like star shows sci fi shows that's out there.

699
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.239
It is. It does have its foibles of like being

700
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:20.639
from the nineties, where like it does have a cop

701
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.760
character and it very much understands how cops work. But

702
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.199
you're also just sort of like, does it recognize that

703
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.840
this is a cab? Like it's like the show is

704
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.519
kind of showing a cab, but it's not necessarily saying it.

705
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.199
And you're like, but that being said, the show is

706
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.559
a really great like look at like how uh, how

707
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.480
governments and neoliberal style governments can fall to fascism. It

708
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.480
also does like it also uses like elder torror sci

709
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:48.519
fi to get it like the underlying philosophies of these

710
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.800
things as well, So it does it in the practical

711
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.119
level and a philosophical level it's a very very great show.

712
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:59.360
And also the shippies are very cool. There's one, there's

713
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.239
a there's one that's like a that's like an X wing,

714
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.679
but it's it's not an X on.

715
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.239
It's like an X like this instead of an X

716
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:18.559
like this. So you like you like I like space. Yeah,

717
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.519
that is a good description. No, I mean to give

718
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.679
you give a quick answer your question. Like I have

719
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.639
been into both Star Trek and Star Wars since I

720
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:29.119
was a little kid. My my dad put on when

721
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.519
I was driving home, uh because my parents are divorced,

722
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.400
so we had like half hour long drives between houses.

723
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.559
He put on one day the audiobook for Star Trek Nemesis,

724
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.840
and I was like, oh, this is really interesting and

725
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.360
I and so I like devoured that and then I

726
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.360
went back and watched season seven of I know, I know,

727
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.639
watch season seven of Next Generations, starting with Dissent. Part

728
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.639
two was the first full episode Next Gurations. The only

729
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.880
episode of Next Generation where like having no context of

730
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:57.960
the show really does hinder it because they have like

731
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.159
Lore and the Borg and all and and you all

732
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:03.440
this stuff there. So it was it was like, let

733
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.559
me start with the worst Star Trek movie, the audiobook

734
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.039
version of it, which to be fair is the better version.

735
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:15.519
Probably allows for a little bit more Yes, And.

736
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.360
Then going to season seven of Next Generation and like

737
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.840
you can only go up from there. Uh, and it

738
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.800
was it was, it was, Yeah, I really fell in

739
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:24.960
love with it. And then Star Wars. I don't like

740
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.480
have as much of a strong spark of a memory

741
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.199
of it, but it's something I've watched, like my brother

742
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:30.559
and I would watch it all the time as kids.

743
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.599
I've read seen all the movies in theaters when they

744
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.320
came out, I've read all the books. Obviously I'm much

745
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.320
a bigger Star Trek fan than Star Wars fan, but

746
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.519
I love them both very much. And uh and yeah,

747
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:43.320
I I bit a fan since as a kid, and

748
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.920
now I do video essays for it, and they inspired

749
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.280
a lot of my filmmaking. And also my kiddie Jetta

750
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:50.480
is a this might be jumping up on my.

751
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.079
Lap here, say yes, yes, show us the baby.

752
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.280
She's the one cat that there she has lessie. She

753
00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.039
doesn't like to be picked up, but I'll quick hold her

754
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:04.480
up because here she is my leg baby.

755
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.719
That is a cat that does not like to be held,

756
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.880
but she's she's a big lap cap, but she hates

757
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.760
being picked up. So to draw attention to another wonderful video,

758
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.679
and I think that like the one that I first,

759
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.639
because I'm pretty sure I discovered you through Dan Gunthers

760
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:25.920
and Bruce Gibson's run on the Oh gosh, the the

761
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:27.559
litery literary tracks whenever.

762
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.159
Yeah, I love those guys, uh, And I.

763
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.880
Adore the way that they talk about Star Trek literature

764
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.880
and then delp to your YouTube stuff and like the

765
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.440
thing where my mind blew up and was your extraordinarily

766
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:46.199
thorough reading of Star Trek the Next Generation and the

767
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:51.039
joy that I won't speak for one of my friends, Aspen,

768
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:58.880
but I will speak for myself. Uh. The the whenever

769
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.559
you love something so much that you're not afraid to

770
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.679
be like like that's weird, right, Like this doesn't make

771
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:11.519
no mistake. I love this thing unconditionally and possibly irrationally,

772
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.480
but I but I adore like.

773
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.480
Yeah, critical, well, that's like, that's that's real love, right,

774
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.599
Like when you love something and you want to critique it,

775
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.039
and you want to like sort of like like say,

776
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.079
like I love this thing, but like this is something

777
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.239
that I think is weird about it or it gets wrong,

778
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.719
but I think that that's what I like Star Trek

779
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.039
for in particular, is it's a it's an interesting touchstone

780
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.800
for like what was progressive of each era in which

781
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.599
it was made, and and how that sort of like

782
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.079
has faults and foibles for each and and the reactions

783
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.599
against it within its own franchise, like you says nine

784
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.639
and like what it's trying to say. And I think

785
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.920
that the like the conversations around Star Trek are really

786
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.599
just a really fascinating, as are the conversations around Star

787
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.559
Wars when you don't have to deal with Star Wars fandom,

788
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.079
which is its own whole thing, like Star Wars is,

789
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.880
Like I think Star Wars kind of provides an interesting

790
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.639
like Star Wars is, Star Trek is this look at

791
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.000
like what progressive what was progressive at the time, where

792
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.800
Star Wars is like what is considered progressive critique of

793
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.880
the system at the time. I think it's kind of

794
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.679
like an interesting juxtaposition of it. Not that's not always

795
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.920
one thing that's kind of that yeah, and and uh,

796
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.960
and so it's just an interesting sort of parallel to

797
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.199
look at them. It's why I like Star Trek more

798
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.760
because think Startrek kind of pushes for a more like

799
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.719
systemic change and trying to see something new that Star

800
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:37.400
Wars doesn't really provide. But I think they're problem interesting.

801
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.719
Sorry, it's it's the problem with the current.

802
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:46.599
Boy, I'm right in political and a Star Trek Star

803
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.199
Wars podcast.

804
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:57.000
Probably about to get real mad at some people star.

805
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.400
Wars being locked to the exact same time period and

806
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.719
we cannot move away from it, and we cannot push

807
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:12.559
onto different ideas. Yeah, yeah, it is. It slows where

808
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.440
the heck that we can tell stories from. And also

809
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.199
it seems like the reactionary nature of Disney wants to

810
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:27.440
make sure that we never move from that because we can't.

811
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:34.679
It's easier to please everyone as opposed to pleasing like

812
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.599
a portion of folks, but then you're leaving like a

813
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.960
rabid minority, super mad. And so they're going to current

814
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.320
tail to the worst based instincts because we're used to

815
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.679
always just getting light short stripped. And so they'll settle

816
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.519
and then like five ten years down the line, whenever

817
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.519
they're whenever no one likes Star Wars anymore, they'll be like,

818
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:57.559
what happened?

819
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:58.320
Yeah?

820
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:00.360
People like it?

821
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.519
It's like yeah, yourself, I mean, it's opposed.

822
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.360
To like whenever Next Generation came out, where Trek fans

823
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:11.360
were like, no, this is new, no, no, But luckily

824
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:12.960
the Internet didn't exist in the form that.

825
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:17.400
Or like well Clone Wars came out and yeah, and

826
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.559
you're getting pushed and here we have yeah, seasons of perfection.

827
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.760
Well it's like it's I think it also helps, especially

828
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.639
in this state, because like today's filmmaking is Hollywood is

829
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.320
very risk averse, so it's like, always do the thing

830
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.519
that worked before, which when you're doing art, isn't going

831
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.800
to do anything because art should always be like speaking

832
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.559
to today and trying to do new things. So when

833
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.679
you try not to say anything, you just ultimately either

834
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.159
uphold the the sort of hegemonic view of things or

835
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.360
its just a dilution of the past, or it's just

836
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.480
like you're just getting faded echoes of stuff. And Star

837
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.599
Trek I think is has elements of that problem. I mean,

838
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.320
look at like starts per Cards. Season three I think

839
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.679
is like the biggest version of that, but you can

840
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.320
even see elements of it like strange New Worlds. But

841
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.000
I do think because Our Trek is a franchise that

842
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.280
is like well known but not as like high budget

843
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.679
and high like high risk sort of filmmaking. I think

844
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.000
that it's it's allowed to kind of be more provocative

845
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.559
and push the boundaries a little bit more. I think

846
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.800
it's has a little less edge than it than it

847
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.719
used to sometimes because it's kind of in that era

848
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.599
of streaming where it's like everything's got to be bigger budget,

849
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.519
everything's got to be explode e, everything's got to be

850
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.639
kind of nostalgic. So it has vestiges of that, but

851
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:30.679
I think less so than Star Wars today, And frankly,

852
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.800
I honestly think Star Trek works better when it has

853
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.239
a lower budget, when you like when you're like, let's

854
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.079
not give this thing a billion dollars, Let's give it

855
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.679
like ten thousand dollars in some cardboard and and try

856
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.960
and tell a cool sci fi story, and I think pizza, yeah, exactly.

857
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:46.360
That's one of the reasons that I find Star Trek

858
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.559
Cards Season two endearing, because it was very clear that

859
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.800
they were like, we got to say budget, We're going

860
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.239
to to make this season take place in Los Angeless

861
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:57.679
exactly exactly.

862
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.599
Man Season two of a Card as one of my

863
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.599
favorite ideas that they just drop the ball with and

864
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.199
if I ever get to write a Star Trek show,

865
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.559
I'm going to pick it up so hard. Consensual Borg

866
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.679
Girardi is a fascinating idea to me, and I want

867
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.960
that so the Borg community Borg Queen. At the end

868
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.360
of season two of Picard.

869
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.519
Well Aspen will get to this, I'm like, oh, is.

870
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.320
This somebody that you're inited? Oh have you not watched

871
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:25.119
have you not watched Card? Okay, okay, okay, that idea?

872
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:26.880
And season two Percard, I'm like they have as they

873
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:28.840
have a concept, They're like, this is really cool, and

874
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.800
then they just drop it hard and I'm like, man.

875
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.079
Also, they got rid of Rias, which is like.

876
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.880
A man star player out.

877
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:38.159
Man.

878
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.400
We should clarify thing real quick, which is that I've

879
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.320
seen all of Star Wars. Kenny has seen all of Star.

880
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:44.400
Trek, gotcha, gotcha.

881
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.519
I've seen a lot of Star Trek, Yes, but I

882
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.639
haven't seen I haven't seen Next Gender, and I haven't

883
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.000
seen The Caard or so. But I've seen all of

884
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:54.119
d S nine and.

885
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.559
Which I mean, that's the correct answer.

886
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.400
That's the Yeah, that's it's the best one.

887
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:57.760
I think.

888
00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:59.840
Like when people are like, what's your favorite TV show,

889
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.559
it's usually it's in my top five, like that show's

890
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.280
ever made. I do love Prodigy, it's probably not my top.

891
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:11.519
Prodigce is great. My fiance is not a big Star

892
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.559
Trek fan. I mean she watches it and she likes it.

893
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.400
She's in a decent amount of the modern stuff. But

894
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.519
like she was like, you can make me watch one

895
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.679
of the old shows. I'm like, okay's nine. That's the

896
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:20.719
way I'll make you watch all of it.

897
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.639
So, yes, that's correct. Yes.

898
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.480
To give you an idea, how much I love Star

899
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.719
Trek you says nine. You said you like my sex

900
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.800
and Star Trek video for Next Generation. And I have

901
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.639
an original series one. I've been working on a deep

902
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:38.199
Saces nine one. It is currently oh thirty thousand words.

903
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.760
It is a book. So I'm trying to figure out

904
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:43.320
what to do with that. And I'm not done. I'm

905
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.039
not done. I sell more to say, So.

906
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.440
We're really the directors.

907
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.119
You want me to release like a twenty hour video

908
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.599
wait watch, I'm debating doing it. It's like there's a

909
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:57.559
part of me that just kind of wants because I

910
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.320
always get people when I make like six hour videos

911
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.360
of the people that are like complaining about like it's

912
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.519
too long. I can't watch it and like fair, but

913
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:05.159
I don't make it to be watched one sitting. But

914
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.119
they're kind of at this edge of like, maybe you

915
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.239
can watch a six hour thing in a sitting if

916
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.719
I just sat there and released a twenty hour video

917
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.280
and just be like, here it is, deal with it.

918
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.000
I've watched so much real play D and D.

919
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.840
You released the short version on YouTube and then the

920
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:24.880
big version, the longer version on Nebula.

921
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.400
Yeah, I could do that. I could do that, but my, my,

922
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.960
my passion must be released to the public. I this

923
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.320
is we don't care about money here. It must be

924
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.760
released free to the public.

925
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:37.480
Ah.

926
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.079
Yes, that's why I'm a bad this is why I'm

927
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:41.440
a bad business woman. It's fun.

928
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.159
How dare you not uphold the ideals of American capitalists?

929
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.840
But even even my even my like staunchly leftist YouTube

930
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.039
friends look at me and be like, Jesse, you're being

931
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.079
stupid with how you run this. I'm like, I know,

932
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.440
I just don't like it. I don't like it.

933
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:00.440
I don't like one.

934
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.559
You know what I have to say to that?

935
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:11.400
Thank you?

936
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:12.480
No context for this.

937
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.280
He's got a little soundboard that he just put random sounds.

938
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:26.199
They're not They're not random sounds. All right, Yeah, there's

939
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:26.639
a lot.

940
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.159
Of there's a lot of Star Wars ones, but then

941
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:32.320
you recently added a few more Star Trek like accessing

942
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.039
library computer data. That's a good one.

943
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:37.960
You're gonna be the real one talk dirty to me.

944
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.480
Yeah, my favorite is a yeah.

945
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.159
Oh I took that one off. I was using it

946
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:47.760
too little.

947
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:52.400
I love that one. Yep. Anyone that's like a woman.

948
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.880
Woman ship is a woman is a woman.

949
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.519
You needed the captain Kirk wants to fu mountain song

950
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:00.880
on there?

951
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:03.239
Why does he?

952
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:04.679
Why does he.

953
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:08.280
Climb to hug the mountain to envelop the mountain?

954
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:17.920
Well, okay, beautiful with that. With that said, I guess yeah, no,

955
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.519
I mean this is the thing. Now every body knows

956
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:25.480
you're truly an expert. Truly, you're the one.

957
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.000
That's right, Jesse Earl, she's the one.

958
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.000
I am the one.

959
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.239
On the soundboard as well.

960
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.320
So and on that note, Asphen, I think it's time

961
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:40.840
for us.

962
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.079
To accessing library computer data.

963
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:48.079
Christ let's read some synopsis for these two episodes again,

964
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:53.760
Trespass versus Let that be your last battlefield. First among

965
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:56.800
the newspapers to carry this review on January tenth, nineteen

966
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:01.920
sixty nine was The Petersburg Progress serving Petersburg, Virginia, And

967
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.360
of course the episode that I am talking about is

968
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:09.480
let That Be Your Last Battlefield? Of course, story by

969
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:16.159
Lee Cronan is who is Lee Cronan, teleplay by Oliver

970
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:20.559
Crawford who wrote Galileo seven, and director jud Taylor, and

971
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:24.960
this review or rather than snapsis reads two aliens invade

972
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.599
the starship Enterprise and the story, which provides a study

973
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.079
of an absurd racial life. The ship has become the

974
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.280
battlefield for the two aliens, each half white and half black.

975
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.840
One of them is a member of a master race,

976
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.199
the pursuer, and the other is representative of the oppressed,

977
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:43.280
the pursued. This allows the drama to examine a racial

978
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:47.440
strife carried to the absurd. And that's Stephen A Sure

979
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:53.440
from The Petersburg Progress. Okay, pretty good, And it was

980
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:56.079
first air January tenth, nineteen sixty nine.

981
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.920
Nice. I went to the man, and I'll say, Nice.

982
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.800
Are you going to do that for every single episode.

983
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.440
Well, every season three?

984
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:09.719
One?

985
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because this is our first sixty nine,

986
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.079
because that's this is the first time I've said.

987
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:16.559
Nice second sixty nine.

988
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.639
I did not clearly I missed my missed my moment.

989
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:25.840
The last time you truly did christ I'm disappointed. Frankly, Yeah,

990
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.679
I don't want to do this podcast anymore because of it.

991
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.039
I understand. Well, thank you so much for giving us

992
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:32.960
your time. Yeah.

993
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.480
First, yeah, I don't feel it.

994
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.519
I'll be better about my noise jokes next time.

995
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:38.920
Noise.

996
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.559
Well, let's talk about Trespass. A Star Wars Clone Wars

997
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:48.239
Incredible Show episode is Trespassed. This came out January thirtieth,

998
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.440
two thousand and nine. Think about what you were doing

999
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:51.519
in two thousand and nine.

1000
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.559
So innocent, what are we doing? I'm like, I don't

1001
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.719
what day was it.

1002
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:09.800
This episode was written by Stephen Melching, a pretty common one,

1003
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.440
and of course Henry Gilroyd is writer and Scott Murphy's

1004
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:19.320
supervising writer, and then directed by Brian Colin O'Connell. Beautiful. Ah,

1005
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.039
so here we'll go.

1006
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.360
But I don't know what I was doing January thirtieth.

1007
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.719
Oh, I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed. Both of you are just

1008
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.719
disappointing me. My cat is currently playing with chords that

1009
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:30.840
she no dear.

1010
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.320
No, that's fine, we'll fix it in post. Yeah, yeah,

1011
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:33.639
I have this.

1012
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.360
Let us be your last battlefield.

1013
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.360
The guy's like, I hate this, I don't enjoy I'm

1014
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:40.159
gonna turn it off.

1015
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.639
Your last cat tool field.

1016
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:50.039
I don't like it, okay. Obi wan Anakin and a

1017
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.280
detachment of the Five Hundred first investigated the slaughter of

1018
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.679
a republic outpost on Orto Plutonia. They soon find a

1019
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.000
separatist base destroyed by the same aggressors, who turn out

1020
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.159
to be a clan of native Talls. I just want

1021
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.960
to be left alone. Unfortunately, Pantore and dignitary Chi Show

1022
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.599
claims the planet to be under his people's jurisdiction and

1023
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.159
orders the unwanted aliens to be either removed or wiped out.

1024
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.920
As the Jedi cannot interfere, the only hope for a

1025
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.719
peaceful resolution lies with young Senator Rio Chucci, a hero

1026
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.440
I add to the hero.

1027
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.440
I love that this kid show constantly has, like in

1028
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.440
its synopsis, things like senatorial jurisdiction as part of this

1029
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.639
is what we love Star Wars for kids shows. Let's

1030
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:34.920
talk about jurisdictions.

1031
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.119
We we you know we we when we talked about

1032
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.679
the prequels, and of course we talked about them constantly talking.

1033
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.199
About the Star Wars prequels, the Star Wars Enterprise, no specifically,

1034
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.159
not Stranger We're all you know, things like that.

1035
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:51.079
I always talking about how when I first saw The

1036
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.960
Phantom Menace I was nine, and how I like didn't

1037
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.119
care and also kind of enjoyed the politics a little bit.

1038
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.280
I mean I too, I will like as an adult,

1039
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:02.840
I'm like, this is my bread and butter. Give me

1040
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.239
more of it, Like I want all of that, like seriously,

1041
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.440
like I will talk to senatorial jurisdictions with you. Fantastic,

1042
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:09.960
But I just find it funny.

1043
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.159
Yeah, it's absolutely absurd, and like, yeah, the idea of

1044
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.480
who has control and responsibility in this and then the

1045
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.320
fact that she like goes over his head at some

1046
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.599
point because it's like who would have the authority to

1047
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:27.800
love it? You know what, We're having a nice time.

1048
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:30.800
We're having a nice die.

1049
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.079
This isn't like other podcast. It's like a conversation with friends.

1050
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.440
Yeah, no politics here to ruin the day.

1051
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.280
No, No, so let's talk about the neoliberal fantasy that.

1052
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.280
Yes, I mean, gotten much.

1053
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.719
To say, but I guess first impression, I don't know, yeah,

1054
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:51.840
first impressions, which will lead into our regular impressions and

1055
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.880
we'll get there. Well, we get there.

1056
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:55.000
We'll get there.

1057
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.559
Because these episodes are actually thematically weirdly similar. I know

1058
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.119
you're make I jump earlier.

1059
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.239
I needed everybody to know, just so you know, this

1060
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.400
is why I like doing this podcast this way, because

1061
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.719
there will just be these moments of serentipity where for

1062
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:20.480
some reason the seventy six entries, well that's not seventy six, uh,

1063
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:25.440
but like within the order both of these things going

1064
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.320
down the line, for some reason, there's something within the

1065
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:30.559
bones of it where both.

1066
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:33.519
Of these things just need to talk about racial politics.

1067
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:38.800
Yep, yep, we need to Yeah, as three white people,

1068
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.599
this is I'm sure gonna go great.

1069
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.480
I was like watching them. I was talking to them

1070
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.400
earlier today a little late in my homework, and I went, well, shit,

1071
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.480
it's okay, Well we'll bring I'm sure.

1072
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.320
I'm sure it'll be fine. I I these aren't like

1073
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:57.519
that deep that it's like.

1074
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:00.880
Yeah, but it's a it's a good call out of like.

1075
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.519
Yeah, it's worth it's worth acknowledging. Yeah we have three

1076
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.119
white people. Yeah, so take the thoughts of the greatest salt.

1077
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.400
But also these episodes have for problems, right.

1078
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.159
Well, yeah, what are you what are your first impressions?

1079
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.760
I mean, let this be uh, I mean, let this

1080
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.360
be your final battlefield. I mean it's.

1081
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:19.480
It.

1082
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.119
It's weird because for the time I can see how

1083
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.440
this was like a very thought provoking idea and and

1084
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.880
it's and and what's also interesting about it is like

1085
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.679
watching it now it has this really interesting added context

1086
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.320
of like act this does fit like the this does

1087
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:38.519
accurately depict the enlightened centrist viewpoint of like oh, like

1088
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.000
they're both equally bad sort of thing, and and it

1089
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:44.119
it like but it does so, but the way it

1090
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:48.000
depicts it is like so accurate that I'm like, I'm

1091
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.559
just so frustrated that it's like I'm like, it's not

1092
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.679
self aware. It's like they like the presentation of both

1093
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.920
characters are like really well done. Kirk's response even to

1094
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.280
it is kind of really well then, be as he

1095
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.760
like is more willing to listen to the guy who

1096
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.159
speaks with like courtesy, like the oppressor guy like knows

1097
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.880
how to speak his language, like oh, like what's the jurisdiction,

1098
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.679
Like what's like like like I would have to demand

1099
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:15.159
an extradition order comes in very calm and like Kirk

1100
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.119
like lets him walk around the ship and like the

1101
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.800
oppressed guys like don't touch me. Like he's rightfully angry,

1102
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.519
and so like the episode like depicts it so well

1103
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.119
that it's really frustrating that it is not self aware

1104
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:28.920
and doesn't like have a critique on that. It just

1105
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.880
presents it as the as the viewpoint of our main characters.

1106
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.840
So it's like it's weird to watch because it nails it,

1107
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.880
but then it's it's not self aware.

1108
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:42.480
Yeah, it nails it accidentally, Yeah, exactly, because there's even

1109
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:46.360
like a piece was it from Scotty where he says, like,

1110
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:47.960
you know, I don't like either of them.

1111
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:50.320
They're disgusting. I find they're just disgusting.

1112
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:55.239
They're both disgusting when we have explicit, uh stories that

1113
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.000
one has been not even like we're talking thousands of

1114
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:05.320
years and that's that he's been chasing, which means that

1115
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:09.920
we're talking even more millennia of oppression, and then presumably

1116
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.239
when they were released from enslavement, and that's well, that's

1117
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:15.199
it's grow.

1118
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.519
Yeah. Well that's the thing that's so good about that

1119
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.360
part of it because you're like he says, like, oh,

1120
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.880
we're not slaves anymore, like and like he's like, well,

1121
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.079
we released you, and then the uh I think it's bail.

1122
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.599
Who's who's the loss is.

1123
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:32.039
The local press.

1124
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.559
So Lokai even says like, oh, you released us into

1125
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.159
like you didn't pay, like you didn't give us any

1126
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:39.400
access to like these services you like they weren't really free.

1127
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.679
I'm like, way to actually understand the problem, Like it

1128
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.440
was like so good articulating it, and like it wasn't

1129
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.079
just like this cartoonish like we we were enslaves, were

1130
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:51.960
enslaved and in bondage. It's like Jim croch it. And

1131
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.199
yet it still views them as like Kirk. Also, you

1132
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:56.320
point out the Scotti line, but there's another line that

1133
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.280
Kirk has that like when they're arguing with each other,

1134
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.239
Kirk has this exasperated like line, you're two of a

1135
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.599
kind of like you're both equally the same. I'm like,

1136
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:07.239
damn it, like you're so close episode.

1137
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:12.159
Yeah, Like it's I assume like trying to call out

1138
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.599
the like well, truly, what is the difference here? And

1139
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.159
it's like, well, that is the idea. That is the

1140
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:22.000
thing about That's the thing about oppression is it's like, sure,

1141
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.679
we can have that sort of like, oh, well, like

1142
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:27.159
what is skin color? Like I'm color blind. You're not

1143
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.239
so different than two of you, Like didn't we all

1144
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:31.800
come from the same origin? Like now we But it's

1145
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.559
like but it doesn't matter because race is socially constructed

1146
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.559
and these structures have been created, so they are not

1147
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.119
of equal and equal standing at this point, and one

1148
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:46.880
is like truly truly like marginalized more like is marginalized

1149
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.320
and is being pursued.

1150
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:54.320
Yeah, and again, like what's so frustrating is like just

1151
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.599
like again, all the nuances are so well done here,

1152
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:01.599
Like it's just like like wild lo Kai is like

1153
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.519
like all like every line I hear Lokai speak, I'm like, yes,

1154
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.159
go off, go off. I want to hear this man

1155
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.400
preach to me. I love him. And then yeah and

1156
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.320
then again I just I I rewatched. It's been a

1157
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.599
while since I re watched it, but like rewatching, the

1158
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:20.199
thing that just strikes me is just feel just being

1159
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.239
this perfect like knows how to use the system for

1160
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.679
his own advantage, knows how to speak to Kirk, knows

1161
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.480
how to use it, and gets frustrated when he can't

1162
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.039
see his way And you can see the violent oppressor,

1163
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:33.760
like come out, but he just he knows how to

1164
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:35.840
walk the walk and use the system for his own advantage,

1165
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:39.079
even others systems like the Federation, and it's like that's

1166
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:45.440
so it's just so well done. So yeah, I I

1167
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.719
the at least the best thing. I The other element

1168
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.119
of this episode that I do really like is like

1169
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.719
Spock at least is good here because there are some episodes,

1170
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.719
like I always love Fox Fox the best, there are

1171
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:55.519
some episodes every once in a while when the episode

1172
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:58.559
wants him to be doing stuff, he's sort of like, oh, yeah, like,

1173
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:00.800
isn't it funny that there is uh, there was a

1174
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.280
sexual assault on the ship that sort of thing. But

1175
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:07.960
at least here he seems to like his perspective seems

1176
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:08.800
to be pretty solid.

1177
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:10.960
And yeah, there's still a moment where I think he's

1178
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:14.559
talking with Loki where he says, only the discipline of

1179
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:19.280
logic saved my people from extinction, which is still playing

1180
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:24.199
into that. But actually there are people on both sides, Captain,

1181
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:28.639
which is really frustrating and boneheaded.

1182
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.280
I would like, it's really how would you say that

1183
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:33.559
he's a bozo?

1184
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:40.079
He is, I believe the technical term is a bozo

1185
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.920
what is if if the court would permit me this

1186
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.519
additional context. You may have seen Jesse.

1187
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.920
Allow it, but you're on thin ice, counselor.

1188
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.880
So we talked about at the BEG. I believe in

1189
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.519
it was our Spock's brain episode. But just to refresh

1190
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.519
the court, Fred Freiberger was a p o W in

1191
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.079
World War Two. He he he was locked up by

1192
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.800
the oppressor, the ultimate oppress, or at least with the

1193
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.000
context of Western civilization. Uh, a little organization you might

1194
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:26.800
have heard of called Nazis. They were really bad for

1195
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.880
a long time. Then a certain group of people in

1196
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.360
America were like, actually they had some good ideas.

1197
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.320
I mean, if we're being if we're being accurate, the

1198
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:39.159
Nazi's looked at America and like, they have some good ideas. Yeah,

1199
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:41.599
I like your I I like you building on what

1200
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:43.920
we were laying down. Yeah.

1201
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.000
And then America was like, how dare you do that

1202
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:46.760
part out loud?

1203
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.440
What I was never anyway? Sorry?

1204
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.280
And it's so Fred Freyberger, he's the he's the show runner.

1205
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:01.000
At this point. Roddenberry's checked out. Uh. And then not

1206
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:05.119
only that, we've got we've got Lee Cronin coming in

1207
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.519
with the story. This is his last credit on Star

1208
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:14.239
Trek period, and he is released from his contract. That's

1209
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:20.000
less critical than Oliver Crawford, who was on the Hollywood Blacklist,

1210
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:28.199
and so is also someone that has fallen victim to

1211
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.559
oppressors that have been able to co opt language for

1212
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:38.159
their own benefits. Huh. So to have these two boys

1213
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:44.159
be in charge of this episode and also Judd Taylor

1214
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:46.119
who Jet Taylor was the one who came in and

1215
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:48.239
was like, what up? They're like white on one side

1216
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.400
and black on the other. Because originally they were supposed

1217
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:53.280
to be an angel and a devil, because that would

1218
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:57.159
have been subtle, and the devil would have been being

1219
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.719
the one that's oppressed and the angel would be the oppressor. Fuck,

1220
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:02.239
pretty subtle aspect.

1221
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:08.039
Yeah, wow, wow, what the fuck? Okay, that would have

1222
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:09.960
been fucked up. That would have even been worse given

1223
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:11.480
the way this episode goes anyways.

1224
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:15.440
Yeah, yeah, man, who I am?

1225
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:20.440
I'm bewildered, but you know what I'm not because I

1226
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:24.039
feel like this this is in line with what we

1227
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.840
often see with these which is yeah, you phrased it perfectly, Jesse.

1228
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.360
I like this sort of they themselves. It's kind of

1229
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.639
white liberalism of like trying to be like, look, you know,

1230
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:37.360
and sometimes yeah, they are doing great work in a

1231
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:39.880
perhaps in a time when you didn't have a lot

1232
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.320
of advancement. But sometimes it's a little like take a

1233
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:47.480
look at us, We're so like we're rising above, we're

1234
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.519
so progressive, and then you actually like switch back to

1235
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.559
like being incredibly non progressive.

1236
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:59.519
Yeah, which is the contradiction within this episode. These two

1237
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:05.480
boys should know better, right because they have experienced this

1238
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:13.119
them selves, and yet they're still like, hmm, but this

1239
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:19.039
race issue sure is a pickle, which is so frustrating

1240
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:22.280
from my modern viewpoint. And also like for nineteen sixty nine,

1241
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.960
boy oh boy, must have there have been like a

1242
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:30.760
lot of like whoa race is absurd racism?

1243
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:35.960
Rather, it is almost interesting, like I wish I could

1244
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.000
have seen how this was this episode sketched up, because

1245
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:41.599
it almost feels to me that they thought of the ending.

1246
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:44.840
It's like, oh, they the because like there is something

1247
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.159
within like this world got destroyed because of their constant

1248
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:50.800
fighting sort of thing and then worked back from there.

1249
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:52.960
But the and if you kind of have that thing

1250
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.880
as like oh, they need to stop fighting because it'll

1251
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.480
ultimately destroy their planet. Like if you have that as

1252
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.440
the basis. It kind of like naturally pull from that

1253
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.039
to get that centrist sort of like both sides need

1254
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.119
to like it's just an endless cycle again, that neoliberal

1255
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.039
myth of the endless cycle back, like the oppressed will

1256
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.599
become the oppressed, the presser back and forth sort of thing.

1257
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:12.920
So it kind of like pulls back from that sort

1258
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.079
of like twist, and I think that that might be

1259
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.400
the achilles heel the whole episode of like having to

1260
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.920
work back from that to earn that ending. You kind

1261
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:22.440
of need to present it this way. That doesn't make

1262
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:24.599
it better. I just sort of like thinking structurally, that's

1263
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:25.760
kind of where.

1264
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:27.519
Except that this wasn't even the original.

1265
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.480
Ending really, I don't remember that.

1266
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.679
Yeah, the original ending was like they get to share

1267
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:36.760
on and they have peace and they're like, huh, pretty

1268
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:39.440
silly that y'all were chasing each other for that long.

1269
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.599
Yes, that's the same ending, just it's very similar. It's

1270
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.880
the same ending, just the opposite direction. So I mean,

1271
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:46.199
I think you could still work back from that to

1272
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:47.599
at that center point either way.

1273
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:52.079
Yeah, it can make space for the what DS nine

1274
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:55.760
did really well, which is like the Bell Riots. If

1275
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:58.159
it's like it actually took.

1276
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.639
You know, it took revolutionary actual.

1277
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:05.000
Like violent revolution, and yeah, that's to to reach a

1278
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:10.360
point of where we're at, which I'm not I am.

1279
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.639
I mean that's not a lovely thought, but it's kind

1280
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:15.199
of like but it's a realistic thought.

1281
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.600
Yeah, No, I always I always view politically on that

1282
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.880
as like violent revolution is not something to be actively sought,

1283
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.039
Like the goal should be to try to build systems

1284
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:29.239
of community, self aid and support, and then when you

1285
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.359
need to fight the system, when it's when you're able

1286
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:35.640
to and it's possible because like, if you're trying to

1287
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:38.239
build something new from the bottom up, which I think

1288
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.840
is the best way to do it, you're the system

1289
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:43.880
itself is always going to eventually violently push back. It's

1290
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.239
never going to willingly acqui as power. So like, violent

1291
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.640
revolution is always going to be necessary at some point,

1292
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:50.840
but it's not something to be like like like some

1293
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.800
people in certain spaces are blood thirstedly like let's have

1294
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.439
a violent revolution. Now, I'm like, is that the smartest

1295
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.359
move to happen right now? It's like I do wat change,

1296
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:00.840
and I believe that that's the thing, but like let's not

1297
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:02.079
let's not be stupid.

1298
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:03.680
Do you know what that actually means.

1299
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:07.840
But if that's a whole other that's a whole political discourse.

1300
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.359
I could counter logic.

1301
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.239
He thought about logic, just just logic. It It's fine.

1302
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:22.000
That is very frustrating. It is so simple, which.

1303
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.079
Is which is funny too, because if you look at

1304
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:26.800
Start to Enterprise that they also like, like that show

1305
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.840
has its issues, but like the one element it does

1306
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.439
do well is like how the stuffiness of Vulcan logic

1307
01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:35.640
is its own form of uh like neoliberal style, centri

1308
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.479
interrist oppression. Like that show actually does a decent job

1309
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:40.439
with their showing Vulcan culture in that show.

1310
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:42.199
Oh my god, it's one of the.

1311
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:43.199
Best elements of that show.

1312
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:44.119
Yeah, it's great.

1313
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.239
That sounds fun. This is this has a touch of

1314
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:50.640
like what the times where I feel like Spock is

1315
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:53.359
characterized so well, it's like a DC Fontana episode because

1316
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:57.199
she's just like she's writing fan fiction about my boy.

1317
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:04.600
Like other times, you know, when you're like reading fanfic

1318
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:07.079
like you do, oh, I mean you get to affiict

1319
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:08.800
where someone's really out of character and you're like, oh,

1320
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:10.680
I don't like it, and then others are really in

1321
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.680
character and you're like, yeah.

1322
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:14.880
That's funny. You should say that because it just made

1323
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.600
me connect like DC Fontana was the Una McCormick of

1324
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.600
her time, because McCormick started in fan fiction. That's how

1325
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.640
she got no way, Yeah she she she started in

1326
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.279
fan fiction. So yeah, like that's just very funny.

1327
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:31.239
Good, that's what we should all hope for.

1328
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:37.039
That The dream, the dream. But yeah, yeah, it's just

1329
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.600
like Spocks at least stays somewhat in character here. But yeah,

1330
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.319
it's it's I mean this, it's already like find more

1331
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:44.239
things to say about this episode in my mind because

1332
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:48.279
it's like it's just yeah, it's just it's a it's

1333
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.680
a it's a episode that so well nails the dynamic,

1334
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:54.760
it so understands it and even has some great nuances,

1335
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:56.479
Like I still can't get over that part that like

1336
01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.560
the way Bait Beal speaks to Kirk. It's just so

1337
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:01.880
point and like how we use this ism, like it's

1338
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.680
so good, and then it just ends on that point,

1339
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:07.720
that centrist point, and it's just like man, so close,

1340
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:11.359
so close to being good. The only other other thing

1341
01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:13.720
to call out that I do like, uh, that's just

1342
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:15.840
a this is not very deep, But I do like

1343
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.640
the scene where they do pick up Loki and they're

1344
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:22.359
like talking about his biology, and like McCoy's like, I

1345
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:24.119
don't know what's going on with this guy. And there's

1346
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.960
like this interesting conversation about alien biology, and then and

1347
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.159
then Spock just like and yet you're still pumping him

1348
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.640
full of your juice and he's like, look, Spock, I

1349
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.800
just I just like sometimes the book will do damn it.

1350
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:39.880
It's like that's grade A Spock McCoy snark.

1351
01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:43.840
So I think that was a lovely palette setter, just

1352
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.640
kind of being like, look look at this guy, look

1353
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:53.800
at this individual? What how what a what a wondrous discovery?

1354
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:58.359
This person is amazing automatically without even knowing what their

1355
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.600
personality is, just the fact they have discovered this person

1356
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:05.600
and just their inherent value. Just as as I don't

1357
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:06.600
know body.

1358
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:08.960
I was kind of a little weirded out by the

1359
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:11.520
fact that like I'm like, this is an alien person,

1360
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:16.880
humanoid you don't know, and you're and you're like, idea, yeah,

1361
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.479
they're fetishizing them a little bit. And also like, unless

1362
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:23.880
I heard it wrong, I think Spock was talking about

1363
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.640
like this isn't part of like the spectrum of skin

1364
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.760
color or like what we are what we've seen in

1365
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:30.680
terms of this like exact half, and I was just like,

1366
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.680
you don't know, like that's like they're not all the same.

1367
01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:37.279
It seemed like such a strange perspective to take.

1368
01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:40.159
I mean that whole conversation is very much a relic

1369
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.760
of this being a show where like sci fi understanding

1370
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.199
was not well known, so you get like these conversations

1371
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:53.800
about like like like the assumptions are weird and very

1372
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:59.000
like human centric, where it's like, oh, we've never seen

1373
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:00.960
this kind of guy before, so he must be one

1374
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.199
of a kind. And it's like this very like very

1375
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.880
A to B kind of thinking that it's very clearly

1376
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.399
there to get to like, oh this other guy looks

1377
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:09.960
just like him and we don't see the difference. Oh

1378
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.039
but we're half black of what, so like it's supposed

1379
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.439
to get to that point of like they're there, we

1380
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.560
don't see the difference, and you're being kind of ridiculous,

1381
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.760
like that's the idea that they're getting to, right, But

1382
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.199
like the way that they frame it is just weird

1383
01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:27.359
in like they can't conceptualize of like that they maybe

1384
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:30.119
just haven't discovered an alien species like this before, so

1385
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:31.920
we're just gonna be like, well, it's the only one

1386
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:33.880
we've seen, so must be one of a kind, I guess,

1387
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:36.840
whereas like science fiction today would be much more science

1388
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:39.199
based of like, oh, so this just is a new

1389
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:41.119
This just must means we have to like put this

1390
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.039
into our understanding of biology and think, yeah.

1391
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.640
And I guess they I guess they do. I guess

1392
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:49.359
it does eventually get to the endpoint of like, couldn't

1393
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:52.840
you consider that it used to be this is a mutation?

1394
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:55.880
So I it's almost like talking It's like the simplicity

1395
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.000
of like we took a yellow flower and we took

1396
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.439
her a pink flower. Now yeah, thinking yellow checker later on,

1397
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:03.039
but even.

1398
01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:05.199
Then, but even the idea of it being a mutation

1399
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:07.000
still is sort of like this assumption is like it's

1400
01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:10.479
a it's a shift from the norm rather than the

1401
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:12.159
some of these people could just actually be.

1402
01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:14.279
It's just yeah, it just is.

1403
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.680
Very human centric and less subtle like the It is

1404
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.119
something that Star Trek often does, especially in this era,

1405
01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:25.479
which is like subtle human centrism, which is sometimes a

1406
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:31.920
stand in for eurocentrism. So yeah, you just blow your mind, Kenny.

1407
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.720
You kind of like blink. Well, we'll talk about how

1408
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:37.000
just a lockhole thought there's like a.

1409
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:39.960
Ryan women, like Ryan women being green, like that's like

1410
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.359
there's clearly like orientalism and pieces, but they.

1411
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:43.319
Have to be like green.

1412
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:47.720
And so there's like this other is non western, right

1413
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:53.079
and like so yeah, and also.

1414
01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.720
Yeah, I mean I think in talking about this, it's

1415
01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:01.680
so I love that we are in conversation with Trespassed

1416
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:07.319
this week, which is a very similar episode tackling very

1417
01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:08.920
similar issues.

1418
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:12.159
But it has very much different problems.

1419
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:17.720
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, forty forty years later, Yeah, which is

1420
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:21.479
which is? Which is? Which is wild? I loved this episode. Yeah,

1421
01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:23.000
that was great.

1422
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.680
I think it's definitely the better of the two. I

1423
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:28.720
have some issues of the general.

1424
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:31.680
Oh my gosh, the episode.

1425
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:36.600
I'm sorry. All right, fine you I'm sorry, I'm ranting.

1426
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:37.119
Damn it.

1427
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:40.520
I wonder well, let's go ahead and just wrap it up.

1428
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:41.239
If you got.

1429
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.479
I didn't say anything. I don't know you're talking about

1430
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:46.600
Star Trek Forever.

1431
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:49.680
Wars.

1432
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:55.279
I didn't.

1433
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.520
I love I love both Star Trek and Star Wars.

1434
01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.359
But you know what, I got to support my boy

1435
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:04.039
and my boys Star Wars. I love this episode too.

1436
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:07.640
I think it's I'm a big fan of Chew che

1437
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.399
She comes up later, she's in other pieces.

1438
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:10.680
She's in.

1439
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:14.199
Bad Batch. I believe like she showed up and in

1440
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:15.800
uh maybe the first season.

1441
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.560
No, she's all the way in the third season. That's

1442
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:20.960
why I was like, when I was watching this episode,

1443
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:23.439
I'm like, oh, so this is where she started and

1444
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.920
like she goes, she sticks around for a while.

1445
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:32.359
Yeah. By the way, that uses his characters over and

1446
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.840
over and over again. Wow, what I.

1447
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:40.880
Would say that Dave Filoni respects his characters sometimes and

1448
01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:45.079
he and he uh provides a continuity of character growth.

1449
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:49.000
It's just weird that ah Soka it was just off

1450
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:54.000
screen the whole time and then somehow survives the whole way.

1451
01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:57.239
And then whenever we meet Ahsoka in live action, she's

1452
01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:57.960
so sleepy.

1453
01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:03.600
Okay, that's she's just so sleepy.

1454
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.159
That's that's accurate. But like the best, like the weirdest,

1455
01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:12.600
the best description I've ever heard of live action of Soka. Yes,

1456
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:13.399
that's wild.

1457
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.319
You're not wrong, You're not wrong. Ahsoka's the best Star

1458
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:17.119
Wars character. You're not.

1459
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:18.479
She got Mando pilled.

1460
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.560
She did, she was she was my favorite character. And

1461
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:26.479
then yeah, she just becomes like me and uh and agree.

1462
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:30.000
You can see you can see in the Ahsoka Shoka

1463
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:36.079
like shea Ahsoka is three seconds away from putting on

1464
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:38.640
a helmet and stopping emoting you know it as.

1465
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:46.039
No, leave me alone, leave me alone. Here's a can

1466
01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:47.640
I do a quick thought? This is not what we're

1467
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.279
here to litigate, but just a quick thought that when

1468
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:54.640
we were talking about we were talking about budget on

1469
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:56.600
I don't think that was in the I think this

1470
01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:58.880
is in the regular episode. I've forgotten what we've already

1471
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:02.600
talked about, like by it on episodes. I had forgotten

1472
01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:07.000
that we have still beautiful uh animated features that are

1473
01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:09.600
happening at future shows that are happening like Bad Batch

1474
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:11.840
and the Jedi and Tales of the Set.

1475
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.000
Right, we build the Galaxy.

1476
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:15.800
They're they're they're lower budgets.

1477
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:16.920
We build the Galaxy.

1478
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:18.119
I'm excited to watch that too.

1479
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:21.760
But about the Galaxy, like it is good listen bad

1480
01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:22.880
Batch rules.

1481
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.760
Okay, so little my little my little clone boys who

1482
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:38.199
were assigned soldier at birth, their best, that's their seriously,

1483
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:40.600
they're they're that's their genuine they assigned soldier at birth.

1484
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:42.359
Uh and they're trying the best.

1485
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:48.840
Yeah, they're signed soldier. They're all emotion, identify emotion. Well,

1486
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:52.520
I think as a sort of a character study in Chucci.

1487
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:54.800
A lot of stuff happens in this episode, but I

1488
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.960
appreciate the ability of a person to start at a point,

1489
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.039
especially in this case, like a younger girl who's a senator,

1490
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:06.279
I can you can only you can imagine that she

1491
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:09.640
be say the same age as padme, right, like maybe

1492
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:11.720
she started out at more like a fifteen sixteen and

1493
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:15.359
then because of the way politics.

1494
01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:19.159
And continuity in the politics, and just like, yes, well

1495
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:22.720
here's another child politician, right, and then using that child

1496
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:26.319
politician kind of as the intention seems to be an

1497
01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:28.079
impotent figurehead.

1498
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:34.680
Or or it's either impotent figurehead or like idealistic character

1499
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:36.279
or a kind of.

1500
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:40.479
A different a different view on the future. And yeah,

1501
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:44.079
like more compassionate, empathetic or yeah, I'm just gonna keep

1502
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.560
talking myself into it of like especially her versus like

1503
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.680
Chairman Chow in this of where it has become like

1504
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:53.159
what is the rage and hate that you build over

1505
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:58.479
time versus the hope of what does true diplomacy look like?

1506
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:02.680
And compassion and empathy in these spaces, So.

1507
01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:05.720
Yeah, Chairman show seemed pretty chill to me.

1508
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.039
Yeah, they called him ChIL chow. They called.

1509
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.079
That's that's the thing that I learned from the Felony Zone.

1510
01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:17.560
George wanted to call him Chilchow the entire time, chill chow.

1511
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:23.760
Speaking of Yeah, actually to the note about the getting

1512
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:26.680
into sort of like the differences of race, the very

1513
01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:30.000
fact that and like that relationship there that the Felony

1514
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.479
Zoni did tell us this is just the behind the

1515
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:36.720
scenes they like talk about it that it was George

1516
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:38.319
Lucas's idea.

1517
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:39.960
How you say it?

1518
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:42.920
So, I think maybe what we should do is we

1519
01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:47.119
should circle the wagons and they surrounded surrounded by a

1520
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:52.279
native threat. Circle the wagons. That's he wanted us to

1521
01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.159
circle the wagons and have them surrounded by a native threat.

1522
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:58.439
Which and initially Dave Filoney wanted to do a whole

1523
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.239
wagon planet and then George had to had to pull

1524
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:02.920
him aside and be like, I don't I don't think

1525
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:05.760
you can do what I the whole plan.

1526
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:08.279
Weird that this episode is kind of like a Star

1527
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:10.800
Trek episode, because like it's like that wagon train to

1528
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.159
the Stars sort of thing there. Yeah, it's a very

1529
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:14.880
very Star Trek esque episode.

1530
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:17.239
Yeah it is.

1531
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:19.880
Would you say that again? It's like poetry.

1532
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:24.239
So if they rhyn oh, I love that. That's on

1533
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:25.439
the board. That's fantastic.

1534
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:29.760
If you had to listen to Kenny play like a

1535
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:30.520
billion times a.

1536
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:36.039
Yeo, I'll never get hold of It's like co tre

1537
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:41.159
I do one other thing I do like about this episode.

1538
01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:43.640
I mean, I like this episode quite a lot. But yeah,

1539
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.960
it gets a lot of different things. But what it

1540
01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:49.359
what it shows here is the Jedi kind of acting

1541
01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:55.439
as they should, which is uh, like their theoretical function

1542
01:21:55.960 --> 01:22:01.039
within the within the Republic or even just existing in

1543
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:04.319
this galaxy should be peacekeepers and kind of like mediators

1544
01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:07.680
of conflict. And the issue that George kind of was

1545
01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:10.439
getting to is how they kind of ultimately became functions

1546
01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:12.680
of the state and sort of like cops essentially. That's

1547
01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:14.800
what the Escala was about. They were cops, That's what

1548
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:19.600
they was saying, and I know they yeah, they they

1549
01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:24.560
literally cops, that's what they become. But here a jab

1550
01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:28.680
exactly very much so. But here they are, like Opi

1551
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.079
and Anakin are actually functioning as they should, which is

1552
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:35.039
mediators and peacekeepers and like trying to like tone down

1553
01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:38.720
the conflict, and when the conflict comes up and it's

1554
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:41.760
time to resolve it, like they're like, no, you need

1555
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.800
to symbolically be the one to the senator who ends

1556
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.279
this conflict. That is much more important than like us

1557
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:49.199
going in and like doing it, Like you need to

1558
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:51.239
be the one to resolve it. And it's not them

1559
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:53.640
going into being like, oh, yeah, because you're part of

1560
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:55.239
the public, we're part of the republic, will do it

1561
01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:56.600
for you and just end this and we'll be fine.

1562
01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:58.800
We'll use our force to do so. It is them

1563
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:01.239
being like, no, you need to you need to resolve it.

1564
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:03.720
And it's like this is an episode showcasing what the

1565
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:08.439
Jedi should be work like functionally working as as opposed

1566
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.279
to what they typically are, which is like space caps

1567
01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:15.680
Yeah alas, yes, the space cops or the space c

1568
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:17.079
I A yep.

1569
01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:21.279
Oh yeah, I going in destabilizing. Yeah we did it

1570
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:22.399
for the piece.

1571
01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:26.720
Yeah, we're just keeping the peace. You know, it's fine. Yeah,

1572
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.920
yeah you weren't. You weren't using this autonomous government where you.

1573
01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.079
Know, what's ourrs. No, I mean like, well, just I

1574
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:34.479
don't know, put someone else in place, we'll be fine.

1575
01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:37.199
No, No, I'm thinking about this and if the court

1576
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:38.239
again will permit.

1577
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:42.880
Me again, then I then ice use use your use

1578
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.520
a very thin thin rope. That's that's the thing.

1579
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:51.439
It seems like, uh, Kirk is bending over so backwards

1580
01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:56.079
that his back breaks to preserve neutrality in between the

1581
01:23:56.119 --> 01:24:00.279
conflict between Beal and Loki. And I'm sitting here and

1582
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.680
I'm listening to y'all talk about the neutrality that Anakanobe

1583
01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.720
want displayed here, and for some reason, a taste obarmagedin

1584
01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:10.439
pops up in my mind from the first season t

1585
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:15.960
O S. And it's so interesting that Kirk and company

1586
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:21.680
are okay with being interventional as space cops in something

1587
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:24.239
like that where everyone is white passing, but in this

1588
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:26.640
which is clearly a coded racial allegory.

1589
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:30.079
Oh maybe, yeah, that's a good point.

1590
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:36.800
Not even it's a story about racism, and they are

1591
01:24:37.039 --> 01:24:41.600
just like whoa, whoa, whoa. You see that rule up

1592
01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:44.760
there in general order number one, that's a prime directive.

1593
01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:49.119
Baby Kirk seeds to be pointing to that non interference

1594
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:56.159
clause so so much. I guess we've seen interference, uh

1595
01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.079
within the Clone Wars so far.

1596
01:24:58.960 --> 01:24:59.119
But.

1597
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.319
Seems to be well, it's it's so interesting that the

1598
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:10.159
Jedi are dispatched as mediators for trespass in what seems

1599
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:14.000
to be a local conflict because it's not really explained

1600
01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.840
what the importance of the planet that we.

1601
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:21.039
That's the that's some of my that's some of my critique.

1602
01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:24.960
Yea, I generally thought I missed something like I was like, well, like.

1603
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:30.239
I have the perfect perfect answer of why in a

1604
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:31.840
later segment please continue.

1605
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.439
Well, I was just gonna say, like the cops are

1606
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:39.479
the cops the Jedi here? The cops here are are

1607
01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:45.039
the Jedi here are working as like they have a

1608
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:49.520
neutrality of use of force from all of us, like

1609
01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:51.800
trying to try and save lives on both sides.

1610
01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:53.319
However, they of course.

1611
01:25:53.520 --> 01:26:02.640
Yeah, they but they don't job I do on my.

1612
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:11.159
H god computer data.

1613
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:18.680
A neutrality of force, but not a neutrality or perspective

1614
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:21.319
Like they're very like Obi Wan and I can clearly

1615
01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:24.920
have especially ob clearly has a side that he's coming

1616
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:26.800
down on, and like we need to see these people.

1617
01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:28.439
And also like.

1618
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:31.079
If we're talking about general Order one the Prime Director

1619
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:32.720
and Star Trek, like there's a thing here where it

1620
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:35.279
was like I think they cite something of like the

1621
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:38.800
like sentient clause or something like that. For what it was,

1622
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:41.199
it was like they are a species that like falls

1623
01:26:41.279 --> 01:26:44.760
under like this sentience rule under the Republic, which which

1624
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:46.840
given that they like can communicate with the Jedi, like

1625
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:50.680
would place them within that, whereas like if they're not sentient,

1626
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:54.079
then this guy just has full of jurisdiction regardless, which

1627
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:59.199
is like in interesting, like that's an interesting way to

1628
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:03.000
handle that because that's not something I've never really seen

1629
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:05.039
come up in Star Trek, but feels like it should have,

1630
01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:06.640
like something like that.

1631
01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:08.920
You know, life exists in so many different ways within

1632
01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.439
Star Trek, and yeah, well, I mean in the pilot

1633
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.760
of Strange New Worlds, it touches upon that notion that

1634
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:21.439
of what what admits you into qualifying for Starflak. Granted,

1635
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:23.520
Strange New Worlds is way down the line. They weren't

1636
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:24.399
even thinking about.

1637
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:27.640
That speaking speaking of Strange Worlds, that speaking of a

1638
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.239
neoliberal episode of Strange Worlds, that pilot also has that

1639
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:33.039
centrist sort of like don't be like you're both going

1640
01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:35.199
to tear it yourself apart sort of ways. It doesn't

1641
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:38.720
focus on the reason for the conflict, but it's the

1642
01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.199
same sort of idea anyways, side.

1643
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:44.600
Aside, Uh what was I talking about something?

1644
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.560
Sorry? Sorry, welcome to my neurodivergent brain where I just

1645
01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:49.279
go on our sides.

1646
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:52.560
Dare you what de termined sentience? That could be a rule?

1647
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:59.319
The thing they develop warp drive through another means through weapons,

1648
01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:02.760
and that just just a notion of what what qualifies

1649
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:07.279
admittance to the Federation. It's this completely technological qualification as

1650
01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:10.239
oppose And I mean how many episodes of Star Trek

1651
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:14.439
that have dealt with prime directive and the exclusionary directive

1652
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.960
that that is because someone doesn't adhere to some technological

1653
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:22.079
barrier is elitist in its own term. How dare that

1654
01:28:22.119 --> 01:28:24.640
you be the arbiters? But also it's complicated because the

1655
01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:29.279
prime directive was born through Vietnam erapolitics, right where yeah,

1656
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:34.600
interference was the ideal because we were aspen. I don't

1657
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:38.640
researcher of the podcast in the late sixties. You might

1658
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:41.119
have known what the United States was and brought in

1659
01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:43.159
a little bit of a conflict. You might know it's

1660
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:48.520
called Vietnam tracks about Vietnam.

1661
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:51.760
So is Star Wars.

1662
01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:56.800
It's always back to now. But yeah, like the prime

1663
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.199
directive is very is a is an endless topic get

1664
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.199
into where it's just like it is. It is a

1665
01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:05.600
very I always like consider it like a benevolent colonialism

1666
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:08.039
sort of viewpoint, but it is like very urals. It's

1667
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:11.800
a Eurocentric one where it's like, oh, everyone's clearly going

1668
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:13.600
to develop the same way that we did, and they

1669
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.399
are clearly going to hit warp drive at the same

1670
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:18.199
time that they are like have reached some sort of

1671
01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:22.239
enlightened view of society and peace and all that jazz,

1672
01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:25.119
which is obviously nonsense even within the context of Star Trek,

1673
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:28.159
but like it is, it doesn't really allow for any

1674
01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:29.000
of that nuance.

1675
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:33.439
Why I love Star Trek though, because it's such a fantasy.

1676
01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:38.640
Yeah, that's the piece that annoys me, kind of like

1677
01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:42.880
the profession of utopia and while the thing that I

1678
01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:44.880
always kind of get a little stuck on, which is

1679
01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:49.680
but it's being continued or perpetuated through a militaristic structure,

1680
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:52.800
which it is Southwestern And like.

1681
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:55.880
Why Deep Test nine is the best, yes, because it

1682
01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:57.960
understands that problem.

1683
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:03.119
But like it just sure yes, but also like how

1684
01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:09.960
many pieces of sure yes through depiction. It becomes uh

1685
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:14.039
an through depiction, and the status that Star Trek has

1686
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:16.920
with him pop culture. Then it becomes an endorsement of

1687
01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:19.119
these kinds of militaristic behaviors and feeds it to the

1688
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.079
militaristic propaganda. Uh, and it's suddenly like navy is good.

1689
01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:25.359
And suddenly a little boy that, oh I don't know

1690
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.039
might have the head shape of someone like me is

1691
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.159
just like, sure would be cool if I was on

1692
01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:33.279
aircraft carry and saluting all the jets that were coming by,

1693
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.239
because Star Trek's pretty cool. And suddenly I want to

1694
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:38.960
play with buttons and switches because it's like a Star Trek.

1695
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:43.399
But at the same time, in my enlightened thirty five

1696
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:47.359
year old brain soon to be thirty six, thank you

1697
01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:48.119
very much.

1698
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:54.319
I literally looked at the calendar. I went Britain in October. Okay,

1699
01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:56.239
just you know, get Kenny a present.

1700
01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:10.119
My fiance's birthday is literally tomorrow, so.

1701
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:07.319
I hope that you buy them a cameo from a

1702
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:08.199
Star Trek member.

1703
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:10.279
Oh I should, You would not care in this.

1704
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:14.439
Lights You said seven hundred and fifty dollars for a

1705
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:17.880
half hearted cameo from this guy that likes to write horses.

1706
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:23.880
Yeah, all right, but but the way I always think

1707
01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:27.239
about Star Trek is best utilized is when it's when

1708
01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:30.000
the writer understands that Star Trek is not a utopia,

1709
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:33.600
it is something reaching for utopia, and you can you

1710
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.359
can have that be a criticism, as keep Say's nine does,

1711
01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:39.279
or when like the best episodes of Next Generation come by,

1712
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:41.439
where it's like, oh, we are failing to live up

1713
01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:44.840
to ideals? How do we earn that? Those are the

1714
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:46.960
best episodes I think of Star Trek when it's it's

1715
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.800
a recognition of it. Again, there's the data quote, and

1716
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:52.680
I think it's my favorite quote of all of Star Trek,

1717
01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.159
which is, we must strive to be more than we are.

1718
01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:59.640
We may, we may not second, I'm gonna badly butcher

1719
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:01.680
it now. We must drive to more than we are.

1720
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:03.840
It doesn't matter if we never will reach our ultimate goal.

1721
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.159
The effort yields its own rewards. That to me, I

1722
01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:07.920
think is like the core of good Star Trek when

1723
01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:11.000
they use that quote of like you're you're not perfect,

1724
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:13.960
but you're trying to be. That's that's a good Star Trek.

1725
01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.039
Star Wars is good when it's sort of like, here's

1726
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:20.600
how all of our systems currently degrade and fail and suck,

1727
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:23.880
and how do we how do we like, how do

1728
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:25.560
we recognize when it's happening?

1729
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:32.359
And fight which appeals to me like joined together in

1730
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.520
community and like rebel yes appeals to me at my

1731
01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:38.800
my most angry moments.

1732
01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:41.960
I think Star Wars and Or is great.

1733
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:46.520
Yeah. Star Trek quote is you're all astronauts on some

1734
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:52.720
kind of star trek.

1735
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:54.520
Some zephyrn Cochrane. That is an actual quote from Star Trek.

1736
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:59.359
Should I say that as my ringtnease? Thank you?

1737
01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:03.079
Please to pull this back also back to the Star

1738
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.560
Wars No, because this is all part of it. Like

1739
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:10.039
with Trespass, what you're making, what you're both making me

1740
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:16.680
think about, is you both did it. While it is

1741
01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:20.079
very it's very great cool to see Yeah, the Jedi,

1742
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.800
it's very great cool. It's very gruel to see the

1743
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:28.560
Jedi engage in their what should be their primary function.

1744
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:34.039
It is like it does have a touch in this

1745
01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:38.439
situation especially well, I mean, I I'm trying to get

1746
01:33:38.439 --> 01:33:41.319
to kind of get to the thing. Where is this

1747
01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:45.800
the situation of like Kirk and like kind of standing

1748
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.800
like I am not I'm actually standing with the oppressor

1749
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:52.319
with my non involvement. Am I doing that thing?

1750
01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:52.600
That?

1751
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:56.079
What is it that like what's his name again that

1752
01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:58.760
Loki says, which is like do you carry justice on

1753
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:02.760
your tongues? Like bad idea. And there's also the kind

1754
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:06.239
of complicating element too, is that the Clone Troopers the

1755
01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:08.159
five hundred first fights.

1756
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:10.760
Withyeah with yeah, with the like yeah.

1757
01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:14.359
With show, which is kind of makes them complicit then, I.

1758
01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:18.079
Mean, yeah, and a potentially senside that's going down here. Yeah, right,

1759
01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:21.960
I think I think yeah, it's well, I think it

1760
01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:24.560
kind of brings me to my my major problem with

1761
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:29.199
the episode in that and again, it's kind of hard

1762
01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:30.960
to ask kids show to do this, but it is

1763
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:33.880
the issue with this episode. I think the core of

1764
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:37.399
it is that it's contextless in the sense that like

1765
01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:41.399
this planet that they're on has no real value. It's

1766
01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:44.039
just kind of there. And and the guy and what's

1767
01:34:44.039 --> 01:34:46.640
his face? The no chill dude, I've heard his name,

1768
01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:51.960
no chill show, chill show. He he just wants it

1769
01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:56.000
because it is under his jurisdiction. And certainly, like there

1770
01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:58.680
are colonial powers and things like that, imperial powers that

1771
01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:01.279
are like we just want land, just to have land,

1772
01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:04.720
but like there, because this is space, it's like it's

1773
01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:07.159
a moon who like who gives a ship. This doesn't

1774
01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:09.680
seem to have strategic importance. There's no resources here that

1775
01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:12.159
they really need. It's just a chunk of ice water.

1776
01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:17.399
And and so because because of that is just one

1777
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:21.840
big is just one big ice bull. But because of that,

1778
01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:25.800
there's like no like the sense the the like senator

1779
01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:28.199
at the end, she can kind of still she can

1780
01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:30.359
kind of reach out and be like, oh yeah, we'll

1781
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:32.760
let this go, like this is your planet because her

1782
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:35.920
she has no like investment like her her like country

1783
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:39.439
has no investment in this rock. Like imagine if they

1784
01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:41.279
had done the same story, but there was like a

1785
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.039
very needed resource for the war effort here, like we

1786
01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:47.479
need this resource to be able to fight the efforts.

1787
01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:50.319
It's very important rock whatever we have here. It changed

1788
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:53.079
the whole conversation right where it's like, then the senator

1789
01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:56.000
will the senator have to was sener to be able

1790
01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:57.960
to do that, where it's like, oh, we should just

1791
01:35:57.960 --> 01:35:59.640
give it to them, And then you have the republic

1792
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.159
being like, uh no, we need this rock go and

1793
01:36:02.199 --> 01:36:05.159
like oppress them and take it from them. Would the

1794
01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:08.159
senators have acted as the cops in that situation against

1795
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:11.159
the indigenous folks, like it would have added a whole

1796
01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:14.279
other conversation to this piece. But because it doesn't have

1797
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.840
that like context here, it's just sort of like a

1798
01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:19.760
out of out of out of all context here, here's

1799
01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:23.359
this sort of a uh sort of story. It's allowed

1800
01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:26.239
to have that kind of neat ending that I don't

1801
01:36:26.279 --> 01:36:29.119
think we would have gotten otherwise, and so it kind

1802
01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:31.479
of allows the Jedi to kind of be above it all,

1803
01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:34.800
even though, like we can still like have the Clone

1804
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.600
Troopers being republic enforcers and we can kind of like

1805
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:43.079
separate them from from like our heroes in this story

1806
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:45.159
for this moment and kind of again kind of had

1807
01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:47.960
that both sizing nature that even the other episode had.

1808
01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:53.720
Yeah, I had that exact like sensation of sort of yeah,

1809
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:58.199
being kind of like unmoored and even thinking to myself

1810
01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:03.159
that when obi Wan is like, no, you should be

1811
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:07.239
the one, it almost like felt a little like patronizing,

1812
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.399
almost like he's like, hey, learn, And then I remember

1813
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.359
thinking to myself that exact thing. I was like, well,

1814
01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:17.000
what's she really negotiating. She's basically just being like, sorry,

1815
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:22.680
that one guy really sucked. I don't suck, but he

1816
01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:29.439
for his people. Oh that was a douche.

1817
01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:32.960
We all know it is a douche. We chill, we

1818
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:34.760
only killed like five or six of your guys, right,

1819
01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:36.199
It's fine, Yeah, it's fine.

1820
01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:38.079
Yeah, and also your little buddies.

1821
01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:43.000
It was it was very interesting that the Chairman Chairman

1822
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:48.800
Show decided to act unilaterally as chairman of the planet, right, Yeah,

1823
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:53.880
it I mean it reminds me the limited amount that

1824
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:56.880
I remember the Iraq War, but just remembering that George W.

1825
01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.479
Bush committed us to a war effort in the US

1826
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:02.039
just committed themselves to a war effort without the approval

1827
01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:03.000
of the United Nations.

1828
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.560
Yeah, well, it's it's it's a weird thing because it

1829
01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:08.399
kind of goes to like the issue with how the

1830
01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:12.479
Republic is sometimes depicted, because the Republic is sometimes represented

1831
01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:16.600
as like like the Republic just has jurisdiction over everything,

1832
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:18.960
and it's like the federal government and these countries and

1833
01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:21.800
each planet is like a state. So it kind of

1834
01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:24.279
sometimes like that, and then sometimes it also functions as

1835
01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:27.600
the un where it's more just like we're an overriding

1836
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:29.800
body that helps negotiate between these groups and we don't

1837
01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:31.920
actually deal with it all the time. So like this

1838
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:35.279
guy can sort of act unilaterally without Republic like under

1839
01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:38.920
Under that view of it, him acting unilaterally makes sense

1840
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:40.640
because it's like the Republic can't dictate what we do

1841
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:43.319
within our own jurisdiction. But if it's a if it's

1842
01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:46.439
more representative of like a New York US style like

1843
01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:50.800
neoliberal democracy, than him acting unilaterally would get a lot

1844
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:53.239
of pushback from the Republic. But it's it's it's something

1845
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:54.439
that we don't really have to confront.

1846
01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:56.560
Yeah, we don't have like the rules. It's not like

1847
01:38:56.720 --> 01:38:59.760
this is a federation planet, so there you go versus

1848
01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:01.239
your nonfederation planet.

1849
01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:03.319
Yeah.

1850
01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:05.319
The only the only allusion to that that we get

1851
01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:07.319
is the like that line about like they might be

1852
01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:09.720
a sentient species to the war would sort of give

1853
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:11.159
them jurisdiction over this planet.

1854
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:14.920
Yeah, well callaxies they're so big.

1855
01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:19.600
I know, the bureaucracy must be hell.

1856
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:22.319
Honestly, a republic, it sounds like we just distribute our

1857
01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:29.359
resources too far. Get back to small government, we get

1858
01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:33.279
back to planets rights.

1859
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:38.279
But yeah, look, look the Galactic Civil War was about

1860
01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:47.399
planets rights, all right, that's.

1861
01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:48.680
Kind of what the separatists were saying.

1862
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:51.079
Yes, yeah, they.

1863
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:53.000
Actually they got it. Aren't really if there anything there,

1864
01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:56.079
they're the Confederacy and they're like, because what we actually

1865
01:39:56.079 --> 01:40:02.439
want to do is unmitigated corporate greed everything and resource stealing.

1866
01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:05.199
Which, yeah, that's another problem with the with the Star

1867
01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:08.159
Wars where it's like, uh, the Separators are the Confederacy,

1868
01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:11.000
and yet like we don't have a slave, Like there's

1869
01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:12.800
no like that sort of like we don't have to

1870
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:14.960
see enough about their politics to like really know what

1871
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:17.880
their point is other than like they bad. I also

1872
01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:19.640
do really I think I made this joke in my

1873
01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:22.119
Star Wars video, but I really think it's funny that

1874
01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:25.640
they're then that their like name is cis, Like there's

1875
01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:29.119
like their cis to compederitcy, what is it? The competacy

1876
01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:35.920
of Interstellar And it's like, yeah, the Cist folks are bad.

1877
01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:43.680
Of course we know that. Yeah, true, true, Yeah.

1878
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.479
I would be remiss before we moved on to our

1879
01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:54.199
next segment to talk about possibly sincerely one of my

1880
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:59.920
favorite pieces of filmmaking in Star Trek in the original series.

1881
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:02.439
I think asthmen's going to come from my throat.

1882
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:05.399
No, it's okay, I know what you're about to say.

1883
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:10.319
I adore the self destruct sequence and let that be

1884
01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:14.840
your last battlefield. I found it so rivening, so tense.

1885
01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:17.319
Yea though I knew that it was going to be

1886
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:23.840
completely undone because I've watched a Star Trek before, which

1887
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:29.239
one one of them I think it was called Menasee.

1888
01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:32.399
Troy actual episode.

1889
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:43.800
I Judd Taylor brings some fascinating flourishes to this episode.

1890
01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.600
Case in point, the rapid zoom in and zoom outs

1891
01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:52.479
and love them. I love to see a calm down.

1892
01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:53.920
I liked it a lot.

1893
01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:58.359
I also liked the cuts to like just effective people

1894
01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:01.600
being affected, Like there's there's something there's something to be

1895
01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:05.800
said about Star Trek's in its efficiency porn, like like

1896
01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:08.640
everything everyone's or confidency porn. I think it's like, so

1897
01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:10.439
there's like a shot where like captains like red alert

1898
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:13.119
and like the ship's about to be blown up or whatever.

1899
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:14.560
But then you just cut to a shot of people

1900
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:17.800
calmly walking through holidays, like doing their jobs. You're like, man,

1901
01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:20.760
that's a crew, right, they know it they're doing.

1902
01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:24.840
Also, this happens like twice a week.

1903
01:42:25.359 --> 01:42:29.520
Yeah, started Competency Port. It's like it's like it's there

1904
01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:32.199
are two separate season premieres of Star Trek Discovery where

1905
01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:34.960
there's like just whole sequences of the characters just doing

1906
01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:37.279
good at their jobs, Like the season four and the

1907
01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:39.920
season prive premiere of Star Trek Discovery just has sequences

1908
01:42:39.920 --> 01:42:42.359
where it's like Burnham's coming in being a competent captain,

1909
01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:43.680
We're doing this, you do this, you do this, and

1910
01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:45.359
everyone's just super competent at their job, and.

1911
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:50.319
Like, yeah, there was a moment two of I think

1912
01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:53.079
when Beale might have like taken control of the ship,

1913
01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:55.840
and there were just all these reaction shots of the crew,

1914
01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:58.079
so it was like Scottie and check out and maybe

1915
01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:01.119
a hour and and I just I remember a Horra's face.

1916
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:06.079
Everybody's face was so like angry, determined, like they weren't

1917
01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:08.359
like you know, they were just like I'm like a

1918
01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:11.119
Horror's face is just like and I was just like yeah,

1919
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:15.279
because they're genuinely like we're gonna buck you up, which

1920
01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:17.720
I really like. They're not like panicking, They're just like

1921
01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:21.640
this will not stand, which is its own kind of

1922
01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:27.880
competency porn. So Kenny, I thought, I'm with you. I

1923
01:43:27.960 --> 01:43:31.840
think that sequence is very cool. I truly did like

1924
01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:35.560
what I just I just I'm typically okay with this

1925
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:37.279
kind of thing if it feels worth it. But I

1926
01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:41.199
genuinely was like, he's not like that to me. If

1927
01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:43.319
I were that guy Beal, I'd be like, A, you're

1928
01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:45.880
gonna fucking blow up your entire I don't think you're

1929
01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:48.079
gonna do that. Like it's such a bad bluff to

1930
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:49.520
me that it literally took me out.

1931
01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:52.520
I mean, what I like about this actually I will

1932
01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:55.239
push back on that. I Actually what I like about

1933
01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:56.840
the sequence is he does kind of do that and

1934
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:59.319
then Kirk brings it right up to the edge and

1935
01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.239
you like it. What I what I like about it

1936
01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:04.000
is it It could have been a bluff, but it

1937
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:08.720
is it is. It's it is Kirk like playing that

1938
01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:11.479
bluff real hard if not, and and I think it

1939
01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:14.399
works specifically because it's a he's not going to blow

1940
01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:16.720
it up and he just Kirk just goes. And I

1941
01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:19.039
think that that's what makes that as I knock out

1942
01:44:19.079 --> 01:44:23.760
my my headphone wire, no I can't hear anything, give me.

1943
01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:28.039
A jesse wow having opinions, Oh wow.

1944
01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:32.279
No throwing on my thing. But yeah, no, it's it's

1945
01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:35.039
it's a it's I think it's an effective sequence specifically

1946
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:38.960
because it's a it's a like it goes from my

1947
01:44:39.359 --> 01:44:42.840
are you really, that's kind of ridiculous to a Oh shit,

1948
01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:45.199
he might actually do it like it builds that tension

1949
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:46.079
rather well, I think.

1950
01:44:46.319 --> 01:44:49.720
And I I love it's so stupid. I love it

1951
01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:52.800
the fact that Beal just steals the ship again. He

1952
01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:57.159
steals yeah twice, Kirk and are just like you. You

1953
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:00.720
want to still have dinner with us like style.

1954
01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:05.600
He's a respectable Uh look yeah, look like you're a Republican.

1955
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:08.279
But we can still reach across the island and talk

1956
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:12.840
to you. We're gonna go high, We're gonna go like

1957
01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:15.439
you may be trying to blow up our whole ship,

1958
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:17.279
but like we can. We can. We can sit down

1959
01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.600
and hash out a deal and like like write a

1960
01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:20.560
bill together or whatever.

1961
01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:22.079
Right right, well, well you can do it.

1962
01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:25.239
There's like there's no place for violence in politics.

1963
01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:32.680
On that note, shall we move on to our next segment?

1964
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:35.359
What is it?

1965
01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:35.920
What is it?

1966
01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:37.960
A long time ago?

1967
01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:39.279
Start dating?

1968
01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:39.920
This week?

1969
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:41.840
I quoted a boat.

1970
01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:45.680
I've dated a game, but none of them could warp

1971
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:53.039
mine drive into hyper space. The best of both worlds

1972
01:45:53.119 --> 01:46:00.800
kept meet in the second place. Captain Slow on a

1973
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:05.520
Holla kron I wanted a song. I pend a song

1974
01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:13.600
seventeen more minutes advise in Super High dev aboard the

1975
01:46:13.880 --> 01:46:22.319
USS Enterprise dt F. Don't you take my walk lighter

1976
01:46:22.399 --> 01:46:25.800
and clip it. Don't you take my red shirt, buddy

1977
01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:29.600
and nip it. If you spill the tea, I'm gonna

1978
01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.960
sip my starship it.

1979
01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:35.640
Oh man, that's what are we doing?

1980
01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:38.800
What You're sitting in front of your closet and you

1981
01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:41.199
have nothing fun to play with. There's so many things

1982
01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:42.039
over there.

1983
01:46:42.399 --> 01:46:44.000
You can see what we were playing at a YouTube

1984
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:48.279
dot com slash a track pot. Anyways, what are we doing?

1985
01:46:50.079 --> 01:46:52.079
Oh, we're gonna play high starship it?

1986
01:46:52.279 --> 01:46:53.520
Did you the way forget?

1987
01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:55.960
I was just thinking about all the things I could

1988
01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:58.880
have grabbed my Asoka pigure.

1989
01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:03.079
I have all these great things in my room. They're

1990
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:04.439
just they're just off camera.

1991
01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:09.199
They are They're all off camera, just like a.

1992
01:47:09.239 --> 01:47:12.960
Soka Daring all of the nine Skywalker Soga movies. She's

1993
01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:18.079
conveniently off screen. She's just over there. She's just over there.

1994
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:20.920
I know where she was. She's just over there where

1995
01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:24.800
there's a really interesting character, and she's over there.

1996
01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:26.279
Get either books about her.

1997
01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:27.359
She's over there.

1998
01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.439
She's in repels. Okay, I just want, I just.

1999
01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:33.880
Want, like you know that shitty AI art thing that

2000
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:35.720
was like what if we could see what was beyond

2001
01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:38.119
the Mona Lisa And it's like you saw those like

2002
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:39.800
mad Lease pictures that went out and just like look

2003
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:42.159
like shit, I kind of want that for like every

2004
01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:44.399
Star Wars frame now, but it's just like a shitty

2005
01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:48.920
AI version of a Sosoka frame of everything in the background.

2006
01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:49.239
It's like.

2007
01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:58.359
Her face melting and like, yeah, exactly.

2008
01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:01.479
Well, what we're gonna want to play is I starship it,

2009
01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:04.000
which is we're going to name our favorite ships or

2010
01:48:04.119 --> 01:48:07.680
vehicles that go through the sky, and then our favorite

2011
01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:11.079
ships like our relationships, our favorite ships, but they could

2012
01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:15.279
happen in space, but they're with people, and their rules

2013
01:48:15.319 --> 01:48:17.760
are there are no rules, but the rules are you

2014
01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:21.319
can choose from whichever, like you can do whatever, like

2015
01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:25.760
typically we'd like, we say, from these episodes, but if

2016
01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:27.159
you can't think of any you could also do it

2017
01:48:27.239 --> 01:48:29.199
from all of Star Wars or Star Trek. We don't

2018
01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:31.560
want to hold you back. We have to comply.

2019
01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:35.479
We have to follow the rules to follow. I'll do this.

2020
01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:37.199
I'll follow the rule for one of them, and I

2021
01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:38.640
will break the rule for the other one.

2022
01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:43.800
Fantastic fantastic. Yeah. And also the rule of ships is

2023
01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:48.039
whenever you ship is great, ships are there. We love

2024
01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:51.199
ships like sometimes they're problematic, and you know what, it's okay,

2025
01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:53.439
we put we put the correct tag on it.

2026
01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:56.199
Who doesn't love a good toxic ship?

2027
01:48:56.560 --> 01:49:00.279
Yeah, right, exactly exactly. Do you want to go first?

2028
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:03.119
You don't have to, but if you want to, I

2029
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:03.920
guess the first.

2030
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.920
I mean for for Star Trek, yeah, I mean for

2031
01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:08.880
Star Trek, for like my ship, like we're doing like

2032
01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:11.199
the actual like do that through spaceship ship.

2033
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:13.760
Yeah, start with the start again, there's no rules. Start

2034
01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:16.039
with the ships, the ships.

2035
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:19.760
And sky gyps and Sky I mean, frankly, in this episode,

2036
01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:21.640
there's only the Enterprise. I mean, like, that's the only

2037
01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:23.439
one I go with. So if I picked all from

2038
01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:26.520
all of Star Trek and the n x one, it's

2039
01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:28.760
the ship right behind me right here, that's the Startrek

2040
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:33.680
Enterprise ship. I love the NXO one. It is my

2041
01:49:34.039 --> 01:49:38.279
handsome lady. I think it's uh a woman. It is

2042
01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:41.960
ships a woman. It's it's like it's a start of

2043
01:49:42.039 --> 01:49:43.800
Enterprise of the prequel show in case you don't know,

2044
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:47.119
and it's it's a great one that like kind of

2045
01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:51.000
bridges the like NASA kind of design with like the

2046
01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:54.560
Enterprise from the twenty third century, and I and I

2047
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.600
think the design is like real real nice. Yeah, I

2048
01:49:57.640 --> 01:49:59.680
think it's easily the best my favorite Star Trek ship design.

2049
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:01.560
Yeah that look at that Scottie.

2050
01:50:01.079 --> 01:50:02.439
Pats just stare beautiful.

2051
01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:03.359
I love that.

2052
01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:04.359
Look at Scott back.

2053
01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:06.279
You'lla just staring it, oh, Scott.

2054
01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:08.079
Season four is a trip.

2055
01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:11.399
Yeah, Season four written So season four, I think it's

2056
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:13.840
clearly the best one of Star Trek Enterprise, but written

2057
01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:15.800
by Manny Coto, who would go on to write for

2058
01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:18.319
Fox News afterwards, which is an interest.

2059
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:20.720
For Fox News.

2060
01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:23.399
Ye, to be fair, to be fair. It was bad.

2061
01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:26.840
It was like pre like Trump era Fox News and

2062
01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:29.239
like that ship. So it's like it wasn't like that,

2063
01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:32.920
but it's still Fox News, so I know, I know,

2064
01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:38.079
I know, no no on no, hey, look, Brandon Brogo

2065
01:50:38.119 --> 01:50:39.920
went on to write for twenty four, so like maybe

2066
01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:46.119
sometimes the jobs that I don't know is be fair

2067
01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:49.279
Bran and Brandon Braga really wanted to work on twenty four.

2068
01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:52.880
He was hardcore pulling here. That's a different discussion. Care

2069
01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:57.239
this is okay, did I just like blow your bubble

2070
01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:02.159
about Mannykoto having a real time just like Yeah, he

2071
01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:04.319
wrote for yeah, the Half Hour News Show, which is

2072
01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:06.119
a new satire show that Aaron Fox News.

2073
01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:17.720
Oh no, not that one, the worst one, my gosh.

2074
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:23.279
No no, yeah, yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

2075
01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:28.680
It's so weird that the character was Colonel Green. Yeah,

2076
01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:32.119
it's true. That's true. You'll you'll you'll meet Colonel Green soon.

2077
01:51:32.239 --> 01:51:36.680
A's been. He's a he's like a future Hitler. Anyways.

2078
01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:44.680
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do uh star

2079
01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:48.479
Tek vehicle and y'all are you gonna hate me? It's

2080
01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:50.800
Beal's ship, the Invisible One.

2081
01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.960
Yeah, beautiful beautiful just just disintegrated.

2082
01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:01.760
Much like a Soka. So she was balship conveniently off screen.

2083
01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:06.680
Yeah, look at this definitely here ship. That look how

2084
01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:09.119
it's like one of those characters like going like wow,

2085
01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:12.720
that looks so expensive. It's just right off screen, but

2086
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:14.119
it's so expensive.

2087
01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:19.560
What I genuinely was like, is it just very tiny

2088
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:29.800
and he's going to become bigger. Happened? It's like where

2089
01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:34.960
is it? I'm genuinely like I don't see it, and

2090
01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:37.399
then to just be like I'm here and then he's

2091
01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:41.560
like trouble, Like I guess, so, I guess he's been

2092
01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:43.520
in the same ship for fifty years.

2093
01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:46.720
There are so many questions, Yeah, don't think about the

2094
01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:48.640
logic of this timeline.

2095
01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:52.039
Yeah, there are so many world building questions with then

2096
01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:55.720
let that be your last battlefield? Uh not even just

2097
01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:58.000
a black on black on one side, white on the

2098
01:52:58.079 --> 01:53:02.840
other side. Also, what kind of just even they've been

2099
01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:06.439
chasing for fifty thousand years, you didn't catch Loki?

2100
01:53:07.319 --> 01:53:11.399
What well? There are comments about how he'd like find

2101
01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:14.399
refuge in different places, like get people to help.

2102
01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:20.600
It's a ridiculous number, but I will give them at

2103
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:22.439
least credit. Was like when they were writing it, they

2104
01:53:22.520 --> 01:53:24.479
did not think that this show would become a franchise,

2105
01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:26.279
and people would be like like, look at it with

2106
01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:30.399
that hard at the point they'd like birds sixty years

2107
01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:33.399
in the future of like, oh, look, this doesn't fit

2108
01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:35.880
with a timeline like they were just like they had

2109
01:53:35.960 --> 01:53:36.439
no idea.

2110
01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:40.920
So well, here is my here's what I imagine the

2111
01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:46.000
ship looks like. I imagine that it was your favorite

2112
01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:47.479
type of ship, Kenny. This is why it was in

2113
01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:51.880
my brain, like a sleek, sexy baby, like a sort

2114
01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:54.439
of naboo esque, you know, and it like it was

2115
01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:58.239
all like super futuristic, like it probably had like a

2116
01:53:58.399 --> 01:54:02.880
sun sale that kind of like and then it like

2117
01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:03.760
kind of came out with.

2118
01:54:05.319 --> 01:54:07.760
But it's got a silhouette that a kid can.

2119
01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.319
Draw, so it doesn't when the sun sales are inside.

2120
01:54:11.439 --> 01:54:13.960
It's got a good little like like a little like

2121
01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:17.199
like you know, those little football kind of silhouette, and

2122
01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:19.319
then when the sun sales come out, it's like a little.

2123
01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:23.279
Batways, I got to figure out how to get this drawn.

2124
01:54:23.359 --> 01:54:23.760
I can't.

2125
01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:27.159
That's what it looks like on the inside.

2126
01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.960
Draw invisible ship.

2127
01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:32.600
Yeah yeah, but it's like it's got to be half

2128
01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:35.000
black on one side and halfway on the other right

2129
01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:37.680
on the side, yeah, on the on the correct side.

2130
01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:41.399
On it's like a very supremacist, which is which is

2131
01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:43.800
a problem because all always has to be on the

2132
01:54:43.880 --> 01:54:46.840
right side or else he's betraying the race. And so

2133
01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:49.720
like whenever he goes to the bathroom has to like

2134
01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:54.239
walk backwards into the bathroom. He's a trader.

2135
01:54:54.760 --> 01:54:59.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, that's my ship. Thank you guys,

2136
01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:00.880
you got our vehicle.

2137
01:55:00.920 --> 01:55:04.119
You got one kiddy, Yeah, I got that sweet snow

2138
01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:09.640
speeder with the enclosed cockpit on that they're popping around on.

2139
01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:11.640
It's so cool.

2140
01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:12.560
It's great.

2141
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:18.680
They're on a speeder bike but it's in a big bubble.

2142
01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:23.319
It's cool, so good, it's clever.

2143
01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:27.000
Yeah, it's a cold planet. Gets Yeah, one question is

2144
01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:28.560
why they don't use that all the time and you

2145
01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:29.840
have slightly more protection.

2146
01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:32.439
Just generally, don't think, don't worry about it.

2147
01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:37.079
Don't It's like, why do some people have like what

2148
01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:42.479
are those called those topless cars? Why do some people

2149
01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:45.840
have convertibles? Some people have SUVs?

2150
01:55:46.439 --> 01:55:48.359
I will say I also did, like speaking of like

2151
01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:51.199
cool aesthetic stuff, I did love what we want an

2152
01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:54.800
Anakin's like snow fit that had like the Republic symbol on.

2153
01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:57.920
It reminded me kind of of like the the Acolyte,

2154
01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:01.439
the Green Lady who has that like just like Republic dress,

2155
01:56:01.720 --> 01:56:04.079
like like Jedi ordered dress at the in the finale

2156
01:56:04.159 --> 01:56:06.399
of that show, I was like, I kind of like it.

2157
01:56:06.520 --> 01:56:06.880
I like this.

2158
01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:16.920
It's modeled after Han on his coat on Solo saying better.

2159
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:17.520
Yeah.

2160
01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:21.199
Yes, they talk about how like they sort of just

2161
01:56:21.279 --> 01:56:24.119
created like the shape of like the fer but then

2162
01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:26.439
they didn't do so they like stylized it instead of

2163
01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:29.279
doing like kind of like little strands and hair and stuff,

2164
01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:31.439
so it ends up with that cool sort of like

2165
01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:35.880
crunchy look that like, Yeah, it's just really fun nice.

2166
01:56:36.159 --> 01:56:38.319
It's a it's very cool, but a lot of the

2167
01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:41.039
design of it of the episode is like based on

2168
01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:45.640
it's based on concept art for hak but like like

2169
01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:48.039
the blues and stuff like, but that's not something I

2170
01:56:48.079 --> 01:56:51.199
could do on location and create an empire, so they

2171
01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:53.159
got to do it in a show, which is cool.

2172
01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:54.399
That's actually cool.

2173
01:56:55.039 --> 01:56:57.279
It's very beautiful. It's a very beautiful episode.

2174
01:56:57.520 --> 01:56:58.760
It's a great episode.

2175
01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:01.239
Yeah, the Enemy it just gets better and better.

2176
01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:03.560
And that was the thing too. I was watching this

2177
01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:05.199
when I when you asked me to watch this episode,

2178
01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:07.039
you said like, oh, it's a season one one and

2179
01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:08.479
I was like, oh, okay, so I'll have to deal

2180
01:57:08.520 --> 01:57:10.920
with that kind of like janky animation look because I've

2181
01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:13.319
like looked at old season stuff. This episode like still

2182
01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:16.399
holds up pretty decently, especially compared all this season one stuff.

2183
01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:20.760
Yeah, this one's particularly lovely. Yeah, other times it's a

2184
01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:23.239
little jankier, and it just gets better and better, Like

2185
01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:25.600
by the time you get to the newest season seven

2186
01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:31.439
that looks gorgeous. It's gorgeous, Like yeah, and like season seven,

2187
01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:33.600
by the time you get to like the fights are

2188
01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:36.560
so fluid and they're all motion captured and they're like

2189
01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:40.920
actual you know, like martial artists like capturing it and

2190
01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.800
then putting it into like, oh, it's so good. All

2191
01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:49.199
the woors, it's great. You probably know all that I'm

2192
01:57:49.239 --> 01:57:52.680
telling Kenny. I'm like, does they let me talk to

2193
01:57:52.720 --> 01:58:01.159
you about Star Wars anyway on this podcast? Sweet? Okay,

2194
01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:04.359
Now we can do ships again from either.

2195
01:58:04.439 --> 01:58:08.880
Either we'll pick It's not my favorite ship. I didn't

2196
01:58:08.920 --> 01:58:10.880
argue believe this could be my favorite ship from uh

2197
01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:13.399
from Star Wars. I mean, I'm gonna like trying to

2198
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:15.239
play fast and loose a little bit with the rules here,

2199
01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:18.119
but uh, Anakin and Obi Wan I I like, I

2200
01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:21.640
don't necessarily romantically ship them, but I love their relationship

2201
01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:25.079
so much, especially as depicted in Clone Wars, like the

2202
01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:28.279
like the like they just bros. And Anakin's kind of

2203
01:58:28.279 --> 01:58:30.640
like fucking with them the entire time, especially in this episode,

2204
01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:33.840
like Anakin's kind of like yeah, like yeah, like when

2205
01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:36.600
they go and see the indigenous aliens, He's like fucking

2206
01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.600
with them, Like I I, I really like their relationship.

2207
01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:43.199
It makes their what eventually happens all the more tragic.

2208
01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:46.640
Yeah, especially because they probably were keys seeing.

2209
01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:50.479
I haven't watched episode three yet.

2210
01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:54.159
What happens, Nothing, don't worry about it. It's all fine.

2211
01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:57.119
Anakin and Obi Wan end up being bros for life.

2212
01:58:57.199 --> 01:58:59.920
It's cool. I hopefully explain where that Darth Vader got.

2213
01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:02.039
I'm yeah, I know, it's it's it's weird.

2214
01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:04.159
It's time.

2215
01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:07.039
Stand next to a Soka.

2216
01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:15.800
Yeah, ten ten fingers on my hands, pieses, Okay, I

2217
01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:17.560
appreciate that ship a lot.

2218
01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:20.800
It's like, I don't necessarily romantically ship them, but I

2219
01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:22.319
just like the relationship a lot, and it was like

2220
01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:23.520
the best one in the episode.

2221
01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:25.840
So that's true. That's true.

2222
01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:29.399
Yeah, I'm kind of playing fast at least with the

2223
01:59:29.479 --> 01:59:30.439
rules there a little bit.

2224
01:59:31.159 --> 01:59:31.359
Yeah.

2225
01:59:31.640 --> 01:59:34.159
You do know that Bill and Loki, though, probably want

2226
01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:35.479
to like angry each other.

2227
01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:36.680
That was gonna be mine.

2228
01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:38.439
Oh I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

2229
01:59:38.920 --> 01:59:45.039
No, no, no, I mean because I'm with you, you guys.

2230
01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:49.439
If there's anything I love, it's enemy still lovers, and you.

2231
01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:51.680
Know, Lokai is the top in that situation.

2232
01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:59.039
One hundred percent. Oh yeah, hundred, which is just what

2233
01:59:59.199 --> 02:00:03.680
makes it all the better. Is this all about what

2234
02:00:03.800 --> 02:00:04.760
do we do with power?

2235
02:00:05.319 --> 02:00:09.800
And this is the neoliberal cycle. You know, your oppressor

2236
02:00:09.880 --> 02:00:10.359
becomes the.

2237
02:00:10.399 --> 02:00:14.479
Oppressed when it comes to.

2238
02:00:18.319 --> 02:00:21.520
Uh, if only we could solve colonialism with angry sex.

2239
02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:24.439
Angry consensual sex.

2240
02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:30.039
Yes, yes, angry consensual size. That's that was they angered

2241
02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:30.960
consensual sex.

2242
02:00:31.640 --> 02:00:31.960
That's it?

2243
02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:36.399
Ship it forever? Can you look so excited to say yours?

2244
02:00:36.720 --> 02:00:36.760
So?

2245
02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:40.239
The question that has been on the tip of everyone's

2246
02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:45.199
tongue on this episode is why this planet didn't trespass? Yeah?

2247
02:00:45.199 --> 02:00:50.479
What makes this planet? So? Why dispatch jedis keep her

2248
02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:57.279
the peace for what seems to be a completely inconsequential

2249
02:00:58.079 --> 02:01:04.520
territorial acquisition. It doesn't make guy, it doesn't make sense.

2250
02:01:05.079 --> 02:01:08.720
It doesn't make any sense until you reveal my ship.

2251
02:01:09.239 --> 02:01:13.399
Yeah a chairman Chow and Palpatine.

2252
02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:19.520
I thought you were going to say, like the tall

2253
02:01:19.760 --> 02:01:24.399
leader and that they like it's falling out, But that's

2254
02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:24.960
even better.

2255
02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:29.039
No, that like makes so much more sense. Actually, yeah,

2256
02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:30.640
you know that.

2257
02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:34.520
Uh, like we found out in Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine

2258
02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:37.199
was fucking m m you uh.

2259
02:01:37.520 --> 02:01:41.640
And then actually, according to the novels. He actually just

2260
02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:44.720
made a clone version of himself, and the younger twenty

2261
02:01:44.840 --> 02:01:47.319
year old version of Palpatine was the one that fucked

2262
02:01:47.319 --> 02:01:51.439
and gave was the father of Ray. So actually Palpatine

2263
02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:54.960
himself didn't actually fuck. Just wanted to make sure you

2264
02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:59.199
understand that that is the case.

2265
02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:03.119
You know, do you ever look at your Star Wars

2266
02:02:03.239 --> 02:02:05.600
collection and be like, maybe there's too much Star Wars?

2267
02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:14.479
So anyway, take that. So anyways, Pine Palpatine, I know.

2268
02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:16.119
I said it was like a nerdy voice though, but

2269
02:02:16.199 --> 02:02:18.319
that is accurate. That is the actual conical.

2270
02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:24.239
Anyway, I thank you for reading the novelization of Rising Skywalker, possibly.

2271
02:02:24.760 --> 02:02:27.039
No the prequel level to Rise of Skywalker.

2272
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:28.640
It's a prequel novel.

2273
02:02:30.479 --> 02:02:31.039
I don't like it.

2274
02:02:31.399 --> 02:02:32.520
It's happen.

2275
02:02:35.279 --> 02:02:36.199
Your face with that.

2276
02:02:36.359 --> 02:02:38.079
Sorry, I keep getting you off for that, which is

2277
02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:40.319
very funny to be so anyways, Palpatine and show are.

2278
02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:42.680
Uh.

2279
02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:47.520
Chow is like that was an exquisite lay session, and

2280
02:02:47.640 --> 02:02:56.560
Palpatine is like, yep, it's Tuesday, I imagined, and like

2281
02:02:57.359 --> 02:02:59.960
Choe is sticking around like an uncomfortably long amount of

2282
02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:02.600
time because he doesn't really do you think?

2283
02:03:02.720 --> 02:03:04.079
Called it the pal padict.

2284
02:03:07.039 --> 02:03:09.680
I'm so sorry, Kenny. I'm just making ship jokes while

2285
02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:10.760
you're trying to make your point.

2286
02:03:12.000 --> 02:03:13.199
He's also telling a shit.

2287
02:03:14.920 --> 02:03:18.640
Well no, I'm explaining what is canonical. This is in

2288
02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:23.239
the prequel novel to this episode, yes, yes, yeah, but anyways,

2289
02:03:23.399 --> 02:03:26.399
Cho is kind of hanging around Palpatine's apartment just a

2290
02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:29.039
little bit too long, and Palpatine wants to get onto

2291
02:03:29.199 --> 02:03:32.880
some scithin and Choe. Choe is like, you got any

2292
02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:36.479
eggs or stuff like that? Oh, I'm yeah, I don't

2293
02:03:36.479 --> 02:03:39.600
think I can hang out either tomorrow because he Cho

2294
02:03:39.800 --> 02:03:42.520
is like, right, Choe doesn't get to experience a lot

2295
02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:45.239
of intimacy. He has a lot of angry fucking but

2296
02:03:45.439 --> 02:03:50.640
there's just something powerful something dare I say, palpable with Palpatine.

2297
02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:53.760
My god. But Palpatine is trying to like get him

2298
02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:56.319
out the door because he wants just like that, like

2299
02:03:56.479 --> 02:04:02.600
go go please you can yeah yeah uh. And Chow

2300
02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:04.560
was like, well, yeah, I can't have practice because he

2301
02:04:04.560 --> 02:04:07.119
asked Palpatine to have like breakfast and I was like, well, yeah,

2302
02:04:07.119 --> 02:04:09.680
I gotta go see about this territorial dispute. Actually you

2303
02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:11.760
might be able to help me. And Palpatine's like yeah, yeah,

2304
02:04:12.039 --> 02:04:14.640
anything you want. And that's how he gets throw out

2305
02:04:14.680 --> 02:04:19.840
the door, got it, And that how the Jedi get

2306
02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:22.119
a signed to the seeminglan consequential case.

2307
02:04:22.720 --> 02:04:24.000
Yeah that makes sense.

2308
02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:25.680
Yeah, that was beautiful.

2309
02:04:26.039 --> 02:04:29.600
Thank you, good job, job.

2310
02:04:31.239 --> 02:04:31.880
Good job.

2311
02:04:33.359 --> 02:04:35.960
See I was gonna say, the other option you can

2312
02:04:36.000 --> 02:04:38.479
go with with good chips is uh obi wan and

2313
02:04:38.600 --> 02:04:41.680
that one uh in like indigenous alien thing that gives

2314
02:04:41.720 --> 02:04:44.119
them the big hug and episode I was like, that

2315
02:04:44.359 --> 02:04:45.520
was that's that's beautiful.

2316
02:04:45.680 --> 02:04:51.439
That was really sweet. Those are gentle cases, not angry fucking.

2317
02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:53.600
You know.

2318
02:04:53.800 --> 02:04:56.560
You know that like everyone's like stroking us first.

2319
02:04:56.760 --> 02:04:59.560
Jed very it's very intimate.

2320
02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:00.319
Yeah.

2321
02:05:01.520 --> 02:05:06.119
Anyways, so do you think the force is really good?

2322
02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:08.119
Like like you use the force for sex?

2323
02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:14.239
Oh yeah, sexist. We all get tired. Sure would be

2324
02:05:14.359 --> 02:05:16.960
nice to have baby Chlorian is tinkling where it's appropriate.

2325
02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:21.479
Yeah, just like for like force choking is definitely someone's.

2326
02:05:22.920 --> 02:05:23.119
Yeah.

2327
02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:28.680
I was thinking of like, yeah, toys and it would

2328
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:32.399
be great. We don't have a great time. Yeah, you know,

2329
02:05:33.640 --> 02:05:38.680
your hands get tired, so he use the force. Yes,

2330
02:05:38.880 --> 02:05:39.800
the answer is yes.

2331
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:43.079
Okay, sorry, I'm just thinking about if a lightsaber like

2332
02:05:43.279 --> 02:05:45.199
does have like a vibrating steady to.

2333
02:05:45.279 --> 02:05:49.439
Like maybe if you make a mistake, though like fuck.

2334
02:05:50.800 --> 02:05:54.279
Depends on which side I guess, so yeah, even.

2335
02:05:54.079 --> 02:05:54.439
The other.

2336
02:05:56.000 --> 02:05:57.600
Just like if you unless you have like a Darth

2337
02:05:57.680 --> 02:06:03.239
Maul saver, then suppress Hello another kiddy Hello.

2338
02:06:03.399 --> 02:06:07.479
Well, speaking of Darth Maul, he has tar lightsaber, and

2339
02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:11.039
so too does this episode. And really our entire podcast

2340
02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:13.800
have two sides, because it is time to come to

2341
02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:18.279
the central conceit of our podcast is strictly a yes,

2342
02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:21.039
no binary. It's either good or it's bad.

2343
02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:24.119
No enlightened centrist to both sides are ridiculous.

2344
02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:26.520
You can't do that, No, absolutely not.

2345
02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:29.039
We don't fight for justice with our tongues. We do

2346
02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:31.600
with our ranking systems.

2347
02:06:31.319 --> 02:06:35.720
With cold hard numbers, as we rank Trespassed from season

2348
02:06:35.800 --> 02:06:38.119
one of Star Wars of Clone Wars versus season three's

2349
02:06:38.399 --> 02:06:40.319
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield from Star Trek, the

2350
02:06:40.399 --> 02:06:44.720
original series, ranking both of these episodes on a zero

2351
02:06:44.960 --> 02:06:46.520
to ten scale.

2352
02:06:48.039 --> 02:06:53.760
And you can do little variation, so instead of just

2353
02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:55.760
like a seven or an eight or four, you could

2354
02:06:55.760 --> 02:06:57.039
do like five.

2355
02:06:56.920 --> 02:07:02.720
Point six seven point zero zero three six what you

2356
02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:08.039
can do? All right, Well, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna.

2357
02:07:07.840 --> 02:07:11.199
Rate these man like central.

2358
02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:15.520
God, I mean it feels like I want a grade

2359
02:07:15.560 --> 02:07:18.239
on a curve. But because the start, like I feel like,

2360
02:07:18.840 --> 02:07:21.720
let this be your final but last battlefield, last battlefeld.

2361
02:07:21.399 --> 02:07:24.800
Last battlefield. Kirk says, this is your final battle battlefield.

2362
02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:27.600
Yeah, but the episode is That's why I always get

2363
02:07:27.640 --> 02:07:28.119
it confused.

2364
02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:30.119
If you want to go first, I would say, just

2365
02:07:30.279 --> 02:07:33.079
rank yeah, this is your last battlefield, and then we'll

2366
02:07:33.119 --> 02:07:35.199
go in order and then we can see what the

2367
02:07:35.279 --> 02:07:35.760
other one is.

2368
02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:37.439
I don't have to go first. If you don't want to.

2369
02:07:39.239 --> 02:07:42.439
Do whatever you want, you're the guest.

2370
02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.680
See let this be your last battlefield. I will give

2371
02:07:49.039 --> 02:07:58.479
a a five point three just to add a point

2372
02:07:58.520 --> 02:07:59.800
for no reason, like beautiful.

2373
02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:00.960
I do love to see it.

2374
02:08:01.600 --> 02:08:07.800
Yeah, it's it's like it's like it it would be lower,

2375
02:08:08.359 --> 02:08:10.239
but I have to give it some points for very

2376
02:08:10.359 --> 02:08:13.159
accurately depicting all of our dynamics and just failing at

2377
02:08:13.159 --> 02:08:18.039
the finish line of not actually being self aware of itself.

2378
02:08:18.119 --> 02:08:20.560
But like it depicts it very well, So like it

2379
02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:23.239
gets a little bit more points than it probably deserves

2380
02:08:23.319 --> 02:08:23.600
us for that.

2381
02:08:23.840 --> 02:08:31.039
So yeah, yeah, I'll pop in here. I think I'm

2382
02:08:31.079 --> 02:08:35.439
going to get this one A six. The politics are

2383
02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:40.760
absolutely boneheaded from my twenty twenty four standpoint. And you know,

2384
02:08:40.920 --> 02:08:43.000
if I was living in nineteen sixty nine, I too

2385
02:08:43.039 --> 02:08:47.239
would be an enlightened centrist to being like, yes, sure

2386
02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:50.560
their lives have been subjugated for fifty thousand years, but

2387
02:08:51.279 --> 02:08:59.239
they destroyed some property and so that sure, I'm not

2388
02:08:59.319 --> 02:09:03.880
giving the episode credit for that. I find this episode captivating.

2389
02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:08.079
I think there's some really interesting filmmaking going on, even

2390
02:09:08.079 --> 02:09:11.760
if the filmmaking does become a bit redundant. A bit redundant,

2391
02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:14.479
because very redundant. This definitely could have been a twenty

2392
02:09:14.560 --> 02:09:18.439
minute episode. It keeps circling the same thing. And It's

2393
02:09:18.479 --> 02:09:20.720
another thing that I learned by reading These are the

2394
02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:23.000
Voice of Season three by Mark Kushman and Susan Osbourne,

2395
02:09:23.079 --> 02:09:24.960
is that this episode is being written as it was

2396
02:09:25.039 --> 02:09:30.399
being filmed. So the fact that it has any mark

2397
02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:38.239
of cohesion is extraordinary. And at the same time, as

2398
02:09:38.359 --> 02:09:41.079
Jesse said, it hits the mark a couple of times

2399
02:09:41.119 --> 02:09:49.000
that are like this feels it is shockingly not prescient,

2400
02:09:49.159 --> 02:09:54.159
but it's true. It is very true. Yes, it understands

2401
02:09:54.199 --> 02:09:56.600
the dynamics, but it just doesn't. It isn't able to

2402
02:09:56.640 --> 02:10:01.399
connect those dots and boneheaded pop pics aside. I find

2403
02:10:01.439 --> 02:10:05.199
it so fascinating that it does come so close, and

2404
02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:08.640
then you read about the context of when this episode

2405
02:10:08.840 --> 02:10:12.680
was being made and who the heck is behind this,

2406
02:10:12.840 --> 02:10:16.960
the writer, the showrunner, and it is just a fascinating

2407
02:10:17.079 --> 02:10:23.279
time capsule of these kinds of racial politics circa nineteen

2408
02:10:23.279 --> 02:10:25.800
sixty eight, nineteen sixty nine. And for that I give

2409
02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:29.000
it some credit. And also, you know self destruct sequence,

2410
02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:32.600
the self destruct sequence so nice. They do it twice aspen.

2411
02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:35.439
This was the first time I ever had a full

2412
02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:36.920
self destruct sequence.

2413
02:10:37.000 --> 02:10:40.119
I think I'll get many, many more.

2414
02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:43.640
Yeah, this is like the first full like one. I

2415
02:10:43.760 --> 02:10:48.439
think I read. Well, all of that are those are

2416
02:10:48.520 --> 02:10:50.880
things I agree with. I'm gonna give it.

2417
02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:53.319
That's why you're giving this episode of ten interesting.

2418
02:10:54.279 --> 02:10:56.920
I'm going to give it slightly more than the six.

2419
02:10:57.199 --> 02:10:59.880
I'm going to say, like, just for fun, I'm gonna

2420
02:10:59.880 --> 02:11:00.920
say six point one.

2421
02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:02.319
You do love to see it.

2422
02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:07.359
Here's why we didn't talk about him. But Frank Gorshan, Yep,

2423
02:11:08.479 --> 02:11:11.159
I'm gonna give it because all the other things are true.

2424
02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:16.239
It like accidentally being kind of like an interesting commentary,

2425
02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:19.520
like it's wild. I'll get frank in a second. It's

2426
02:11:19.560 --> 02:11:21.920
really wild that you see people sometimes talking about this

2427
02:11:21.960 --> 02:11:24.159
episode and being like, oh, it just like hits you

2428
02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:27.600
over the head with it, And I'm like, good do that, yeah,

2429
02:11:27.640 --> 02:11:29.119
like hit us over the head. In fact, I wish

2430
02:11:29.119 --> 02:11:30.520
it'd have been a little bit better about it.

2431
02:11:30.640 --> 02:11:33.199
I know writers who use subtlety and they're all cowards.

2432
02:11:33.600 --> 02:11:36.399
Yeah, just you know what, just fucking do it.

2433
02:11:36.640 --> 02:11:39.840
So give it a thing, isn't it.

2434
02:11:40.119 --> 02:11:41.640
Yeah that's a Garth Marenkie quote.

2435
02:11:41.880 --> 02:11:46.800
Whoa, I've been quoting that thing for years. That's what

2436
02:11:47.159 --> 02:11:47.319
you know.

2437
02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:49.399
Broken clock is right twice a day. He was right

2438
02:11:49.439 --> 02:11:50.000
about that one.

2439
02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:54.600
Well. The guy who played Beale also was the Riddler

2440
02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:56.159
and the original.

2441
02:11:56.079 --> 02:11:58.239
Uh yeah, oh yeah that's true.

2442
02:11:58.279 --> 02:12:06.399
Yeah yeah, and yeah Batman and and I just really

2443
02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:08.840
enjoyed his performance. I love the I thought the other

2444
02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:11.439
guy was also very good, but like something about him.

2445
02:12:11.680 --> 02:12:16.199
He was so physical, his face of facial expressions were

2446
02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:18.520
pretty like he was very terrifying to me at moments,

2447
02:12:18.520 --> 02:12:21.239
and I just He's one of those where I appreciated

2448
02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:25.640
that the guest star was elevating pieces of it profoundly.

2449
02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:28.479
It definitely was made much better by his performance.

2450
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:32.680
Yeah, yeah, Frank Corsan and lou Antonio Antonio the role

2451
02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:33.600
of Locai.

2452
02:12:34.039 --> 02:12:35.800
Yeah, and like both of them. Right, So I'm going

2453
02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:38.119
to give it a little touch more because I'm like,

2454
02:12:38.199 --> 02:12:39.600
you know what great.

2455
02:12:41.039 --> 02:12:43.159
That brings let that be your Last Battlefield to a

2456
02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:47.000
collective total of five point eight. But it's still anyone's game.

2457
02:12:47.319 --> 02:12:50.560
As we go into Trespass, Jesse, what are you putting on.

2458
02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:55.680
The board, I'm debating between a seven point five and eight.

2459
02:12:56.119 --> 02:12:59.840
Oh I I I.

2460
02:13:02.600 --> 02:13:04.720
I feel like I'm gonna give it an eight. Like

2461
02:13:04.800 --> 02:13:06.960
I said, there's still there's issues with the episode that

2462
02:13:07.039 --> 02:13:11.079
I have, but but I do think it's overall stronger

2463
02:13:11.199 --> 02:13:13.800
and I think it like it has it works really

2464
02:13:13.840 --> 02:13:17.159
well in the context of larger Star Wars conversations. It's

2465
02:13:17.239 --> 02:13:19.520
just it's a really it's a decently done episode. And

2466
02:13:19.560 --> 02:13:21.439
also I just like what you're talking about, like the

2467
02:13:22.000 --> 02:13:24.000
design of it and the look of it, especially for

2468
02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:26.039
early Clone Wars, because I mean I go back I

2469
02:13:26.079 --> 02:13:28.119
look at like episodes like the Camino episodes of Clone

2470
02:13:28.119 --> 02:13:30.000
Wars season one, and you're like, oh, these are you know,

2471
02:13:30.039 --> 02:13:34.279
a real rough looking Sometimes this I like, if you

2472
02:13:34.319 --> 02:13:35.840
would show me this and didn't tell me a season

2473
02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:37.399
and not in season one. I would like, Yeah, that's

2474
02:13:37.439 --> 02:13:39.520
like a season four or five six episode. Like it

2475
02:13:39.640 --> 02:13:43.279
looks really good. Uh, you know, the characters are really

2476
02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:45.920
well drawn. There's some fun like for how short it is,

2477
02:13:46.039 --> 02:13:47.760
like they managed to stick in a bunch of interesting

2478
02:13:47.800 --> 02:13:50.039
character dynamics like between Obi Wan and Anakin and some

2479
02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:52.319
bro time things like that. So like, I just think

2480
02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:54.399
there's a lot here. And like I said, and as

2481
02:13:54.399 --> 02:13:56.800
we've talked about already, there's issues, but I do think

2482
02:13:56.840 --> 02:13:58.399
this is a strong episode. So I'm gonna land on

2483
02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:00.760
an eight outstanding.

2484
02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:01.840
I am beautiful.

2485
02:14:02.439 --> 02:14:04.239
I'm gonna get this one. I think a seven point

2486
02:14:04.319 --> 02:14:08.279
two five, seven point two five one, just because I

2487
02:14:08.319 --> 02:14:10.479
feel like bringing a little stinker energy in here. Oh

2488
02:14:10.600 --> 02:14:14.680
my god. I mean I think Jesse gave all the

2489
02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:18.359
reasons for why I freely enjoyed this episode. I really

2490
02:14:18.520 --> 02:14:22.840
enjoyed it. Uh yeah, that's just not Defenders of Peace

2491
02:14:23.000 --> 02:14:27.640
or Jedi Crash. That's all. I've got some context for it.

2492
02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:29.840
It's not Jedi Crash.

2493
02:14:30.800 --> 02:14:33.560
I like this. I think every episode should start like

2494
02:14:33.680 --> 02:14:34.319
Jedi Crash.

2495
02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:41.000
It's a battle. He really liked it. I like spaceships

2496
02:14:41.399 --> 02:14:44.039
he really likes spaceships. I'm gonna give it a se

2497
02:14:44.159 --> 02:14:44.560
point five.

2498
02:14:47.039 --> 02:14:49.159
Wow, I'm the high one on Star Wars.

2499
02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:52.279
But I was actually thinking even a little bit lower.

2500
02:14:52.319 --> 02:14:53.600
I think it's one of those where you're like a

2501
02:14:53.640 --> 02:14:56.279
little more critical of the thing that you love controlab lick.

2502
02:14:57.079 --> 02:14:59.319
But you know, and then because I started being like, well,

2503
02:14:59.399 --> 02:15:02.199
it is being a little inconsistent with its messaging, and

2504
02:15:02.319 --> 02:15:04.880
I was like, no, you really liked this episode. It's okay.

2505
02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:10.479
So it's it's not so like dog set on trying

2506
02:15:10.520 --> 02:15:12.319
to be the enlightened sense like it has some enlightened

2507
02:15:12.399 --> 02:15:14.880
centrist points on to it, but it's not so like

2508
02:15:15.279 --> 02:15:16.159
that's its message.

2509
02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:16.359
It's not.

2510
02:15:16.479 --> 02:15:18.560
That's not what it's trying to say. It's limited more

2511
02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:21.159
by the biases of its writers. I think more than

2512
02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:24.840
more than let this be your final battlefield, which like

2513
02:15:25.079 --> 02:15:26.960
feels like the writers should have done better, you know

2514
02:15:27.000 --> 02:15:27.279
what I mean?

2515
02:15:28.880 --> 02:15:31.399
Well, speaking of being dog set on a premise, it

2516
02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:33.560
sounds like according to the numbers, let that be your

2517
02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:40.399
last battlefield is dog shit, Christ let that be your

2518
02:15:40.479 --> 02:15:44.239
last battlefield? That a paltry five point eight versus trespasses

2519
02:15:44.680 --> 02:15:49.600
seven point five eight three six seven, which means that's been.

2520
02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:51.000
I'm that's been.

2521
02:15:52.520 --> 02:15:53.479
Also we.

2522
02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:59.600
So sad, I come on and I Star Wars Winds.

2523
02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:05.720
Oh no, I say this as a fan of both,

2524
02:16:05.840 --> 02:16:10.079
but you know, Star Trek Supremacy forever. None of this

2525
02:16:10.880 --> 02:16:13.159
white on the left side, riff for fear.

2526
02:16:14.479 --> 02:16:17.560
This is you know what we are finding? This season

2527
02:16:17.640 --> 02:16:20.600
three is a little rough compare to.

2528
02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:25.960
Oh yeah, I mean that's the notorious Star Trek. Like

2529
02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:29.000
season three of the original series is the is the

2530
02:16:29.079 --> 02:16:31.399
rough one. This one is considered to be one of

2531
02:16:31.479 --> 02:16:34.079
the better one. So have fun with that. Have you

2532
02:16:34.159 --> 02:16:37.559
already done the Romulin episode when I'm blanking the Enterprise

2533
02:16:37.600 --> 02:16:40.040
incident already? Come up? That was a fun one. That

2534
02:16:40.120 --> 02:16:41.200
was a good one if I recall.

2535
02:16:41.520 --> 02:16:43.879
So, yeah, there are still some winners that are in here.

2536
02:16:44.600 --> 02:16:49.319
Wink of an Eye was surprisingly high for us the

2537
02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:53.079
day of the Dove, I really really dug Enterprise Incident

2538
02:16:53.520 --> 02:16:55.040
was seven point eight seven.

2539
02:16:55.479 --> 02:16:56.639
Yeah, that's fun.

2540
02:16:56.719 --> 02:16:56.879
Yeah.

2541
02:16:57.000 --> 02:16:59.159
Did you get the episode where Kirk slaps around the princess?

2542
02:16:59.879 --> 02:17:01.120
I love that? Yes?

2543
02:17:01.319 --> 02:17:03.399
Is that the one that I really I think it's

2544
02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:05.639
a lot of a lot of Troy or a lot.

2545
02:17:05.559 --> 02:17:08.159
Of what what did I what did I give that one.

2546
02:17:08.479 --> 02:17:09.639
We gave it a seven point five.

2547
02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:14.799
You just like the Kirk slaps really well, it's being

2548
02:17:14.840 --> 02:17:19.079
able to ship. Wow, I really liked her, she's great.

2549
02:17:19.879 --> 02:17:20.360
Oh my god.

2550
02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:22.799
That was another one where I was like elevated by

2551
02:17:22.840 --> 02:17:24.399
our performance. For sure.

2552
02:17:24.879 --> 02:17:27.120
Star Trek is mad, major destroyed, I think a lot

2553
02:17:27.159 --> 02:17:28.840
of the time by its guest stars, and thankfully it's

2554
02:17:28.879 --> 02:17:30.440
made more than it's than it's broken.

2555
02:17:30.799 --> 02:17:34.959
Yeah, what is her name? Francis new yet as a

2556
02:17:35.040 --> 02:17:38.719
lot of troy As truly a legend. Also just for

2557
02:17:38.840 --> 02:17:41.440
Jesse's knowledge, right now, our Star Trek versus Star Wars

2558
02:17:41.559 --> 02:17:45.200
rankings in total total six point two to one on

2559
02:17:45.319 --> 02:17:47.760
the Star Trek side, and Star Wars is at six

2560
02:17:47.920 --> 02:17:51.280
point four nine, which is what.

2561
02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:57.000
Fascinating that interesting point it is, Well, don't worry. Once

2562
02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:58.920
you get to Deep States nine, that numbers just gonna shoot.

2563
02:17:59.159 --> 02:18:03.040
I'll be like every episode except for that after that

2564
02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:05.120
terrible Quark episode.

2565
02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:11.200
Honestly, trans one three of Next Generation, it's gonna be

2566
02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:13.440
just like Coops all bangers.

2567
02:18:14.079 --> 02:18:17.000
Yeah, you're gonna get to some you got some rough

2568
02:18:17.079 --> 02:18:18.360
road ahead of you for a little bit, but then

2569
02:18:18.360 --> 02:18:19.959
it gets you get some good stuff. You eat, you

2570
02:18:20.079 --> 02:18:24.000
eat for a while. Gosh, yeah, that that one cork episode.

2571
02:18:24.000 --> 02:18:25.920
That's a whole other conversation. Bring me back on for

2572
02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:28.920
that one, because like, I have thoughts about that episode.

2573
02:18:29.079 --> 02:18:32.120
I am actually kinder on that episode than than most are.

2574
02:18:32.680 --> 02:18:34.239
It's a bad episode, don't get me wrong, but I

2575
02:18:34.319 --> 02:18:36.239
have I have some There are a couple of redeeming

2576
02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:37.399
factors of that episode for me.

2577
02:18:37.559 --> 02:18:40.440
But oh, oh my gosh, like a billionaeres from now

2578
02:18:40.479 --> 02:18:40.920
when we do it.

2579
02:18:41.280 --> 02:18:44.920
Yeah, yeah, whenever you get to it, like seven or

2580
02:18:44.920 --> 02:18:48.159
eight years, ten years from I'm here, but like, call

2581
02:18:48.280 --> 02:18:50.120
me back before then, because this was this was a

2582
02:18:50.159 --> 02:18:51.559
ton of fun. I enjoyed this a lot.

2583
02:18:51.680 --> 02:18:52.639
Thank you so much.

2584
02:18:53.879 --> 02:18:57.399
We're best.

2585
02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:07.280
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2586
02:19:07.360 --> 02:19:10.280
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2600
02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:01.639
Jesse see where are they going to you.

2601
02:20:03.360 --> 02:20:06.559
You can find me. I'm used to this field Jesse

2602
02:20:06.680 --> 02:20:08.360
Gender on YouTube. If you just look in go to

2603
02:20:08.440 --> 02:20:10.200
YouTube type and just gender, you'll find my stuff. I

2604
02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:12.840
do video essays on a bunch of different things, usually

2605
02:20:12.879 --> 02:20:17.440
either queer stuff, political stuff, social issues, and also science fiction,

2606
02:20:17.600 --> 02:20:21.040
nerdoms all that jazz. I also have a secondary channel,

2607
02:20:21.159 --> 02:20:23.440
Jesse Gender after Dark, where I do news reviews reactions.

2608
02:20:24.879 --> 02:20:27.520
I usually review stuff like I'm reviewing Lord of the Rings,

2609
02:20:27.639 --> 02:20:29.600
Rings Power and things like that over there, so check

2610
02:20:29.680 --> 02:20:32.719
that out all along. I'll be reviewing too. I actually

2611
02:20:32.760 --> 02:20:34.200
have to do that as soon as we're done recording

2612
02:20:34.200 --> 02:20:35.319
here because that premiere tonight.

2613
02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:38.879
Oh so I'll check that out and.

2614
02:20:38.959 --> 02:20:43.440
Then yeah, yeah, another one for the chocolate on the pile.

2615
02:20:45.079 --> 02:20:47.399
But uh, what else can you find me? You can

2616
02:20:47.399 --> 02:20:49.319
find me also on Nebula, which is the streaming service

2617
02:20:49.959 --> 02:20:52.840
that uh you know, the supports, it's creators, it's creator

2618
02:20:52.920 --> 02:20:55.719
owned and also hosts My movie Identities, is the science

2619
02:20:55.760 --> 02:20:59.559
fiction film that I directed, uh, starring John Delancey. If

2620
02:20:59.559 --> 02:21:01.239
you're a star fan as well as a bunch of

2621
02:21:01.319 --> 02:21:04.159
other folks, I'm very proud of that film. Go support it.

2622
02:21:04.440 --> 02:21:06.319
It's coming out on Blu Ray in October. So if

2623
02:21:06.360 --> 02:21:08.200
you can't send up for Nebula, get it there.

2624
02:21:09.280 --> 02:21:11.280
I can personally say it's a great film.

2625
02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:14.319
Yeah, thank you so much. Hopefully get to make it

2626
02:21:14.360 --> 02:21:18.360
a TV series as the hope, because yeah, yeah, it's

2627
02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:20.200
meant to be that. The movie was meant to be

2628
02:21:20.280 --> 02:21:24.680
a backdoor pilot. Is the is the kind of the idea? AnyWho?

2629
02:21:25.760 --> 02:21:27.200
Anything else? I'm trying to think. Oh, I'm on all

2630
02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:31.479
social media's blue sky, Instagram. I'm trying to step away

2631
02:21:31.479 --> 02:21:33.360
from Twitter more and more because that is just a

2632
02:21:34.159 --> 02:21:37.079
huge Yeah, it's a dumpster fire. I'm still a little

2633
02:21:37.120 --> 02:21:39.719
addicted to it, unfortunately, so I'm trying to try my best.

2634
02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:42.799
So yeah, and another plug for your Babylon five podcast.

2635
02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:45.000
Oh yes, thank you so much. I always great to

2636
02:21:45.000 --> 02:21:48.280
play that one. But Jumpgate is the Babylon Pipe Pass podcast.

2637
02:21:48.399 --> 02:21:51.799
We're actually just about to finish. We just got to

2638
02:21:53.000 --> 02:21:55.440
the series finale of Babylon Piple. We're doing all we're

2639
02:21:55.479 --> 02:21:57.959
doing Crusade and all the extraneous stuff too. So we're

2640
02:21:57.959 --> 02:22:00.440
gonna get there as you pull out. Are you gonna

2641
02:22:00.440 --> 02:22:02.639
pull out Crusade? Oh?

2642
02:22:02.920 --> 02:22:03.840
Yeah, there he is.

2643
02:22:04.239 --> 02:22:07.719
There's my boy, Daniel day Kim. Look at that.

2644
02:22:08.040 --> 02:22:09.399
Uh wow.

2645
02:22:10.239 --> 02:22:11.799
But yeah, so yeah, we're gonna get through all that,

2646
02:22:11.799 --> 02:22:13.719
and then I believe we're gonna jump right into We

2647
02:22:13.799 --> 02:22:15.760
haven't confirmed this yet, we're still arguing about it a

2648
02:22:15.799 --> 02:22:18.239
little bit, but I think we're gonna jump into Battle

2649
02:22:18.239 --> 02:22:19.120
Star Galactica after that.

2650
02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:25.479
Yeah, yes, me, Oh my god.

2651
02:22:26.120 --> 02:22:31.840
Yeah, there it is Laura Roslin, Laura Queen. Yep, my

2652
02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:33.280
problematic queen.

2653
02:22:34.600 --> 02:22:36.840
Truly someone who did an oops fascism.

2654
02:22:37.399 --> 02:22:41.440
Yeah, it's like, look, look, who among us didn't accidentally

2655
02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:42.559
do a fascism? You know?

2656
02:22:42.680 --> 02:22:44.520
Are you going to be covering Galactica nineteen eighty and

2657
02:22:44.559 --> 02:22:45.040
can I come on?

2658
02:22:45.680 --> 02:22:49.799
Uh? Sadly, probably not, though then again we might we could.

2659
02:22:50.440 --> 02:22:54.479
I've never actually seen. I know this is the controvers statement.

2660
02:22:54.559 --> 02:22:56.879
Never seen any of the original Battlestar Galactica or nineteen

2661
02:22:56.920 --> 02:22:57.959
eighty I have anything.

2662
02:22:58.040 --> 02:23:01.920
I mean, look, Ronald D. Moore, Battlestar Galactica is a

2663
02:23:02.200 --> 02:23:07.600
stone cold masterpiece. It's way better than the original. I know.

2664
02:23:07.680 --> 02:23:09.639
But I enjoyed my camp be sci Fi. I mean,

2665
02:23:09.639 --> 02:23:12.399
I'm watching. I'm a Star Trek fan, so like, yeah.

2666
02:23:12.239 --> 02:23:13.239
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

2667
02:23:13.479 --> 02:23:17.920
I'm not above it. So but yeah, that's the I think.

2668
02:23:17.959 --> 02:23:20.600
That's everything I had. That's all my that's all.

2669
02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:22.920
My stuff outstanding. And I would also be remiss if

2670
02:23:22.959 --> 02:23:25.440
I forgot to mention the composer of our theme song,

2671
02:23:25.520 --> 02:23:28.719
mister Toast and Alifesso, where you can go to our

2672
02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:30.760
show notes if you would like to hear more of

2673
02:23:30.879 --> 02:23:36.959
his work. Thank you so much, as Aspen Kenny, I

2674
02:23:37.079 --> 02:23:37.840
love you so much.

2675
02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:38.920
I love you.

2676
02:23:40.920 --> 02:23:43.000
And Jesse, we love you. Thank you so much.

2677
02:23:44.120 --> 02:23:48.239
Well, I I I you don't have to say that.

2678
02:23:49.079 --> 02:23:55.040
You don't have to say it's okay an audience. We

2679
02:23:55.200 --> 02:23:57.760
love you. Thank you so much for listening. May the

2680
02:23:57.840 --> 02:23:58.600
Force be with you.

2681
02:23:59.200 --> 02:23:59.879
I love you, guys.

2682
02:24:00.280 --> 02:24:07.520
I'm sorry, yes, Neiled.

2683
02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:27.879
Jesse did you see Alien Romulus?

2684
02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:29.000
I did, I did?

2685
02:24:32.319 --> 02:24:33.120
Oh I just rolled it.

2686
02:24:33.200 --> 02:24:34.000
Yeah I did, I did.