Sept. 6, 2024

Jedi Crash vs. Elaan of Troyius

Jedi Crash vs. Elaan of Troyius

What does it mean to sacrifice one life over 1000? And what does it mean to be a horny Helen of Troy analog? 


Aspen talks about the nature of empathy. And Kenny talks about Lajos Egri. You know, Lajos Egri? Everyone knows!...

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Season 1

What does it mean to sacrifice one life over 1000? And what does it mean to be a horny Helen of Troy analog?


Aspen talks about the nature of empathy. And Kenny talks about Lajos Egri. You know, Lajos Egri? Everyone knows!

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to ask and answer the question which is better

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Star Trek or Star Wars by going through both franchises

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in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison, the Star

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Trek condition with me as par always is ask.

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The website co host with the mo host.

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Oh whoa, whoa, Aspen stop yelling at me.

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All can't stop. I'm two, I've got I've got too much.

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Mo host, and lest we killed this minute before it

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crashes spectacle. That's right, we are talking about Star Wars.

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The Clone Wars Jedi crash versus Elan of Troy is

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from Star Trek the original series, season three fantastic like

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you know what, but truly possibly Yeah, an embarrassment of

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riches this week.

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Oh okay, okay, okay, okay, Before okay, I have this thought.

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I was just like, I'm gonna ask Kenny what he thinks.

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I thought of a lot of Troy.

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Yes, it could go either way. Yeah, because there are

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some regressive gender politics that are very much in play

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in alan of troys uh and problematic racial dynamics in play.

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And at the same time you have a delicious performance

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from France Nyan or France nowhen probably you and you

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y is it win? It's Vietnamese last name, is it when?

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Sometimes it's pronounced when sometimes yeah, niguy if like, but

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usually it's when.

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It's spelled and you y e n when.

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Win. Yeah, she was in the Joy Left Club.

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Really yeah.

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I'm pretty sure she was also like on Broadway with Shatner.

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That's so cool.

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She's she is like something else, like she is an

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act tour, you know.

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And you can feel it this episode she is specific.

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Yeah, dude, she rules this episode of Star Trek, this

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episode is she's in an episode of Murder.

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She wrote my new favorite show.

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And a social activist at least in the nineteen sixties.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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So it truly could go either way for Aspen.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, that's interesting. You say that you nailed it.

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I did start out. I know, we'll get into what

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the episode actually is about, but it did start out

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a little.

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You're absolutely right. New York based entertainment columnist Joe Crosby

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previous the episode Ilana Troyce for her syndicated column TV Scout.

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Uh huh.

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This synosis of Ilana troy is written and directed by

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John Meredith Lucas guest star Francis Nian comes on Mighty

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Strong and When When comes On? When?

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When?

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Guest Star Francis When comes on Mighty Strong Tonight with

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her performance as a high priestess of a planet, She's

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being transported by the Enterprise to another planet where she

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will be married off as a peace gesture. But she

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has two things going for her, her aggressive arrogance and

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a strange set of tear ducts, which manufactured tears that

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can enslave men like Captain Kirk. First aired January sixteentheteen

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sixty nine. Is that correct?

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Oh you know what?

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No, it's not correct. It is December twentyeth nineteen sixty eight.

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Oh. Also, I am I am so sorry. I am

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wrong about the name. I was thinking it was the

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ng u y e n, which is specifically a last

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name UM that is very common. I guess I just

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thought so it probably is Nien. You're probably right, so cool, So.

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Sorry anyway, sorry to bowl over your thought. Oh wait

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with a synopsis.

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Born France quinn Vana. Okay, no, never mind, she just

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changed the spelling of it.

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Probably she anglicized it.

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She anglicized it. Yeah, no, I will take that as

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me giving you a beautiful segue. Yeah. Cool, Well, I

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will read the synopsis for the Clone Wars. I will

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get away from reading about that wonderful perfect person for

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a second Star Wars. Clone Wars Jedi Crash Really is

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January sixteenth, two thousand and nine, written by the TV

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Archaeologists on IMDb. General Skywalker is injured while rescuing fellow

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Jedi General Aila Sakura from super battle droids equipped with

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rocket packs Ahsoka Tano. Crash lands their shuttle on the

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neutral planet of Marudin, where the native Luerman villagers refuse

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to take sides in the war. They are, however, willing

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to send a healer to help Anakin. Oh yeah, this

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is an embarrassment of riches type of thing. And I'd

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say in this episode is also I'll go into the details.

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It was directed by Rob Coleman and written by interesting

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Katie Lucas.

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I'm sure that that's no one. I'm sure that that

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is absolutely no one, period, no one.

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Yeah, I mean just like just probably just like a

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people have the same last name.

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Right, Yeah, Lucas is a very common name.

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Your last name is Webster. My last name is Webster.

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That's right, you're so right.

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Yeah, just you know Lucas, it's his daughter, right, it's

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his daughter. Yeah, it's his daughter. Great job, Katie. Yeah yeah,

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pretty pretty bad though, and also interesting on the Rob

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Coleman because yeah he did Yeah, he was animation direction

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on others. So yeah, it's.

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Pretty animation director on the prequel.

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Qualls on the prequels, right, So.

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Yeah, you can feel that dynamism hot in Hot.

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Yes, there is a lot that is visually dynamic and

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very appealing and very interesting about this episode. So much

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happens before they even land on the planet, and then

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I was just like, how much time is left in

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this up? And I was like, oh my gosh. And

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then so much more even happens, and it's just great

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and there's so much visually arresting components and good good good,

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like emotional back and forth.

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Anyway, I dare say if the rest of the episode

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kept going like the rest of like the first half

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of Jedi Crash, yeah, I'd be like.

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Nine territory in nine, You'll give it a nine.

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This episode is really good. But like the first half

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of this episode was I was just yeah, it was.

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It was so compelling, so tense, so interesting.

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Well, they talk about the felonies only right. Yeah, this

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is like the first time since the films that they've

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had like a real space battle, like truly with all

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the components.

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Which is and it's not even the space, it's in

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the sky. What is it? Because this happens in the

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JJ Star Wars movies, and the closest that we get

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to a proper space battle is Last Jedi Rogue one.

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Notwithstanding Rogue one has a six space battle suck at

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the end.

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It's the beginning of revenge. That's just pure space battle.

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Just to start Phantom is a space battle Return of

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the Jedi. There, it's I mean's a lot of kind

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of assorted space battles, but there's the space battle that's

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pre it's pre Billy d Williams. My god, what Lando,

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Jesus Lando taking the Millennium Falcon into into the space

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to land. You know, like, wow, it's wild.

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Sorry, no, I was just thinking about the Return of

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the Jedi space battle and how exquisite it is and

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how overwhelming that experience feels. And then you add the

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cross cutting, which I think is so masterfully done and

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it really does pull you along so well.

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It does. Oh gosh, yeah, the stakes of that last

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of that battle of like we have to get in there,

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we have to blow this up, but like we have to.

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This has to line up with this going down on

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the moon while this is happening over here. It's just

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really fabulous.

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And the sensation of speed that goes along with going

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in the tunnels in Return of the Jedi truly truly exquisite.

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Yeah, pretty extraordinary.

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Anyways, this Clone Wars battle rules.

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It's great. Love it so good it Yeah, there's just

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things falling from everywhere. There's flying battle droids, which is new,

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like the flying like big bad battle droid.

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They fly now, they.

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Fly now.

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I need to I need to never have bad self

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esteem ever again. Because someone got paid top dollar to

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write somehow Palpatine return. Not only that, several people got

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paid top dollar to write somehow Palpatine return some people.

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They came to those people on hands and knees being like,

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can you please come back to Star Wars? Please, please

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don't let Colin Trovro close to our Star Wars please.

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As someone who works in a company, a tech company,

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watching constantly as people who are not that smart get

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paid top dollar it's the same in all the industries,

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so I think that, but that like lightens it a

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little bit. If you just know that all of it

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is bad to you, right bad, that helps, right.

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Yeah, this is anyways a wonder of an episode. My

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first impression of Jedi Crash. It's a great episode.

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It's a great episode.

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It's a great episode. It's it's definitely far and away

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my favorite episode of the Clone Wars so far.

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Really yeah, man, interesting, I find that interesting.

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I think that's just the space battle is incredible, it's

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moving along at a clip and then uh.

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I mean the crash again. They talk about this on

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Faloney Zoni, but the crash they talk about how it's

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the there was one in the Clone Wars film, but

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it doesn't feel as like visceral, whereas the crash onto

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this planet is like there's glass, there's breaking, there's steaks,

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that's scary, there's fire. It's very like physically like like

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it just feels so real. It is great. There's so

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much going on that's so good. Also, not to keep

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going on about the victuals of it, but da also,

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did you ever read his dark materials, The Golden Compass

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and The Subtle Knife, and The Amber Spyglass.

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His Dark Materials, The Golden Say That one more time.

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All three of the books are called His Dark Materials.

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It's the Pullman Book.

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Oh they're books. Sorry, I thought that these were items

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that were painted very dark. Does anyone you like me?

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Yes? I love you very much.

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Okay, I know that I just talked about how I

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never need to have bad self steam ever again because

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someone got paid to write somehow Palpatine was hearing, but

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it really just wildly vacillating all the time.

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Yeah, no, I hear you, But you don't have to

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vacillate your great all the time.

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Well, I can vacillate if I want to. That's the

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correct answer. Yeah, daty dum.

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Sorry, Feel whatever feelings you want to feel. Maybe there

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is just a pretreads in The Amber Spyglass. There's sort

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of like other world that they go to. It's been

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years since I've read it, where there are creatures that

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like they're like the the past, are kind of like

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roads themselves, and they like kind of have the same

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rolling thing, and there are these big trees and like

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seed pods and it's so reminiscent. I I mean, I

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don't know if that was ever put on screen. But

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that's like visually in my head, like that's like what

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was in this Colone War's episode was a lot like

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what I imagined reading that book, and that's I can only

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assume that there was, even if it's like in people's

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subconscious that there is a like an inspiration there, Like

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it's a very cool, like there's a lot of cool concepts.

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Except that Colony specifically points out as influences the flony Z.

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Yeah, but like any kind of things, like influences based

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on other influences, like no, not Star Trek, right, yeah,

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like Star Trek would truly never be Shakespearean ever.

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No, no, it's never ever been Shakespearean. No, no, Yeah, it's.

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Not famously like called out numerous times as it being

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inspired by like Shakespeare acting and then also having like

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an entire episode that's like exactly like the Taming of

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the Shrew, the Taming of the shrewan space.

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I just don't know, I don't know what you're talking. Yes,

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a lot of Troy's this Taming of the shrewan space.

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In my uh not as well read mindset, it was

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definitely like, oh, this is my fair lady in space yeah,

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which makes sense. Yeah, because you know it's the same.

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Yeah, my fair Lady, Well, they're all inspired by each other.

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My Fair Lady is a story is based on Pigmilion,

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which is a a was a story written by Ovid

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who was Latin. Anyway, we're doing great, obviously.

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Allen of Troys and of course that's Helen of Troy.

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Yes, which beautiful. Quite frankly, as a diehard Star Trek

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fan since literally before I had memories, gotta tell you, asthen,

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I don't think that I had those dunts connected until

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probably reading the literature for this. Oh yeah, because I'm

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over here on being like, wow, space Adventures.

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and relevant and perfect.

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You're I'm more of like the book Smart's contingent, and

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you're more of like the street Smarts. You're down there,

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you're wailing to deal in.

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the Greek.

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And I'm like, wow, books.

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Books here, I'm gonna tell you my impression of this episode. Excellent,

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horny app horny app. Because because we are friends in

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real life. We do text and I gotta tell you listeners,

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folks that are listening to this episode, that's who you are.

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As been my good friend, one of my greatest friends.

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Aspen texted horny app.

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Horny app and also said can we do an hour

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later on Sunday the first exactly then I said, But.

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Then I said no, no, no, it's okay. I said, JK,

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it's fine. It's actually works out. It's okay.

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We could do an hour later. That's fine.

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No, it's good. It's better. We figured out our other

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scheduling thing. Don't worry about it.

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Don't worry about it, listener.

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We'll figure it out. It's deeply horny.

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Oh it is for the listener, Askeen just threw themselves

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through a wall. Whenever I said that.

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Trope, it like left one of those like cartoon out ones.

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That's my like eyes were doing like the wolf bug

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out thing, and my like tongue is going wow wow.

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I started out with a touch of the like, oh,

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she's being kind of being treated like a child, and

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I was like, but I very quickly when I kind

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of realized what its core was based on and the

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power balance. And then also when he says, like the

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way he's streaming her, I'm like, she's so turned on

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by this. She loves this, she loves that he's like, hey,

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you need to like get your act together. There's that

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there's a line where he's just like, you know, like,

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if you're going to be this way, like I'm going to, like,

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you know, do an Earth custom and spank you.

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I've got I've left the line right here from these

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are the Voyages Tos season three by Mark Cushniz, who's

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an Osborn.

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He's dramatically read it, Please dramatically read it a lot.

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A line you will not touch me, kurk, but touch

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you again. Your chlory will be to administer an ancient

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Earth custom called a spanking, a form of punishment administrator

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to spoil rats.

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Do you have the other? And then do you have

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the line that comes later? Do you have the line

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that comes later?

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to get him to fall in love with her, she's

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clearly like way into him, which is its own conversation.

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But she's just like tell me, oh no, maybe it's

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even before that, but she's basically like, tell me again,

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I'm like very interested in this banking. Yes, it's so much.

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I loved it so much.

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It's a horny ape. And two weeks ago was the

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first episode where we saw Kurt possibly have snacks, and now.

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He's like all over it, which I guess we could

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talk about if you are under the influence of basically

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equivalent of a love potion, is that sexual assault? We

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could have that conversation. And also she is like all right, and.

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Also kind of like doctor Miranda Jones from Is There

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In Truth No Beauty? It's anchored. This episode is angered

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by such a strong central performance that is also multifaceted. Yes, uh,

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Elon is such I mean and literally a forcible character

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throwing stuff across the room Russell Crowe style, while at

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the same time possessing a sensitivity. And I think I

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understand that I'm watching. I think the first scene of

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It's a lawn and Petrie, the Greenskin ambassador in the

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Horus quarters fantastic and Petrie is behaving let me, let me,

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let me get my notes. I wrote this down of

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how Petrie is behaving. Uh, yes, a cock. Petrie is

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behaving like a cock.

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Yeah, but your worship these are your wedding slippers or

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my guy, you could practice basic empathy and like match

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her freaking tone.

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You're trying to You're trying to get a square peg

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to fit into a round hole. Why do you take

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out that sander? You know, stand that hole and to

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be in a square hole a little bit, oh boy,

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or like make the circular hole that you are just

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a little bit bigger.

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Yeah, it's funny because Kirk's approach is to match her

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mm hmmm, which is wow, Hornia?

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You know is this a Hornia?

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I don't know, Drea stillow. It reminds me. I once

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in college took a conflict resolution.

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Class and wow, I went to college. Yeah, no, wonder

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you know about this is a covid.

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Ad. I actually learned about avid in high school. I

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took Latin in high school.

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We'd be nice to have a high school there can't

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afford have a Latin program.

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Oh let me tell you. It had to do with

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one single lady who just really loved Latin and they

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don't have anything like that now that she's retired.

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So wow, it must be nice to have a mentor Yeah.

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Uh yeah, it was actually she was pretty special. Well,

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I listen, I learned about gods too. I was a

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Latin child because I couldn't because I, uh, there was

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like no theater program at my school and they wouldn't

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let me go to the high school that did have

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a robust theater program because I was out of district,

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which oh man. I basically had to become a Latin

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nerd and then I had to become a theater nerd

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later in life. You know, that's like how you do.

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I just don't know what you're talking about anyways, House

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Los Angeles Treating.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I I took its conflict negotiation

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class in college and we did exercise and it stuck

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with me because we failed so horribly, and it was

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the exercise was like you get a prompt of like

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what the problem is and what your role is. So

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like we were like American construction or investors or something,

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and we're like in a country and the other people

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we don't know, like the people that are in our group,

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we don't know what their prompts is, right, we don't

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know like what their feelings are on the thing that

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they've been given on their piece of paper. We just

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know we have an objective. It's to like build this

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bridge in this space, and you know we're in this

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other country, right, And so we came in and the

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purpose of the exercise was to like come to any

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kind of agreement at all, right, it was to negotiate conflict,

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and we did not. And their whole thing it turned out,

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you know, we came in just like like we're going

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to do this obviously, like this will be beneficial for you,

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and like we're like here in our business meeting, right

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because we're like these American dudes or whatever. And then

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on their side, it turned out that the whole thing

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it was just like this is this is you know,

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kind of a made up thing, like a society that's

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so focused on like connection and family and like not

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just doing straight business. It's about like you know, doing

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like an hour thirty minutes first of being like tell

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me about your family, like what's important to you, and

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then maybe like having kind of like moving forward with

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conversations that might take some time or coming over to

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dinner or whatever it might be. And so we just

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like nothing came of our exercise because oh we just

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came in guns blazing kind of literally like you know

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American like contractors, right, And I thought of that so

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often for you know, when was that twenty ten? Like

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I think about it, and so when I think of

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something like this, he comes in and I think about

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it like in the work I do with people, like

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the conversations I have all the time, and like he

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comes in and he's not listening, like he's not trying

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to adapt, he's not even trying to meat. He's still

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pushing forward with what his expectation of what this thing

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should look like. And then blaming when he gets hurt

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or I mean, obviously she stabbed him.

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She's fucking that's bad.

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That's really bad. He has every right to be like

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what the buck? But like he like blames Kirk and

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it's like he yeah, and just I just I found

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it really funny. I mean, it's an interesting character. I

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love him as a character. But from a like intext

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kind of perspective with Star Trek, I'm like, don't they

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train their diplomats? Like did he not take conflict negotiation?

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Think about it too much?

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No, But I was thinking about that while watching it.

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I'm just like, but obviously, from a story perspective, it's

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fantastic because he gets to he goes down, he's in

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sick bay, and so now it's Kirk's turn to be

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a teacher, and he's going to come at it with

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a little bit more force, and he's going to match

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your energy, and he's gonna speaker.

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He's got that shrew.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This episode was an absolute delight to watch. I had

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fun from beginning to end.

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Yeah.

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Uh, it was great. I enjoyed it. It was fun.

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It was great. I enjoyed it. And the other thing is,

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you're right like her, it was fun. Her central performance

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is so strong. She's so interesting. She's like she's both

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fierce and also that moment where she's just like, how

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do I I don't want people to hate me? Like oh,

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like the deepest vulnerability, which is like a very performance,

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so beautiful. Oh my god. I love the way she

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held herself and I think I was thinking about this. Sorry,

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talking so much. Sorry, talking so much on our podcast

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what Sorry.

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You can only see my video reaction on our YouTube

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channel YouTube dot com slash at track Wars pod. Just

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kind of shaking my head to the left and the

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right as have to say, huh what.

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H what.

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So sorry that I mean, it's just it's it is

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a fascinating lesson on empathy, how empathy can go certain ways,

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even even though, like you said, Elon literally stabs, literally

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stabs the ambassador, which you know, there's limits to empathy.

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Whenever you kind of get in stabed and suddenly your

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life becomes the end of an act break on Star Trek,

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that can become problematic happens. But at the same time,

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Kirk is willing to meet her on her level. There's

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something to be said about that, and whenever you do

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meet someone on that level, there's a possibility of opening

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a dialogue.

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Right, she only opens up, She only becomes vulnerable because

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she actually trusts him, because he.

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Because Kirk is willing to place firm boundaries and sometimes

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s makable boundaries, sneakable.

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Bound Oh that's right. I have to tell you. Her

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smacking him than him smacking her bag. That was the

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moment I was like, she's so hot for him. The

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moment happened.

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I was turned on whenever she was whenever she was

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eating that chicken. It I was just like, well, not

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only that, because now that you live in Hollywood, La,

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I couldn't help it being like, well, clearly they're trying

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to establish the dolmend of Elos as someone that's a

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warrior that is careless with their feet. But at the

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same time, I was like, that's an actor because you

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can tell that she's taking this big hawk and bite,

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but really she's taking a really tiny bite. Yeah, because

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she understands that we've got many more takes to do,

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so she doesn't want to keep eating chicken all day.

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H Yep, very clever, very smart. My favorite part was

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one she picked up the bread and she took a

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tiny piece of it.

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They went, what bread's delici? A warrior loves bread?

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I mean interesting to point out that, you know they

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all eat little colored cubes and here or she is

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getting a greasy chicken leg and some bread and.

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Some a greasy green chicken leg.

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It was green. It was green. You're absolutely right, Yeah there.

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I was thinking about this in relation to other episodes

475
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that we call sleepy, where maybe what.

476
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.640
Like what the EmPATH the EmPATH was sleeping. What's an

477
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.079
episode that we both agreed that was sleeping. Let's let's

478
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.519
look at the spreadsheet.

479
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.519
And the children will lead one.

480
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.160
I guess it's I think that one's worse than sleepy.

481
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:49.640
I think that's actually bad.

482
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.559
Yeah, But the idea that it's like, Okay, we did

483
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:54.680
this already, Okay, we came back. Why are we doing

484
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:58.640
this again? And that happens from a storytelling perspective because

485
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.559
you don't have anything emotional fall back on. Yea, Like

486
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.640
at that point, you're just feeling time, right, and what

487
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.720
you're doing is you're hyper focusing on plot for the

488
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:07.839
sake of plot. The thing has to happen. The thing

489
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.240
has to happen. An engaging episode of television or a

490
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.799
story or a movie is about the people. I mean,

491
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.039
I'm talking about this with Joel my partner.

492
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:21.680
Did you want me to do something?

493
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.799
My pot my part my partner, why.

494
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:27.759
Are you saying I like that?

495
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.799
My pot my partner.

496
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.319
Asking you're blown, you're blowing out the.

497
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:49.599
Levels okay.

498
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:50.079
Okay, And he was like, your Pavlovian response is so strong.

499
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.839
At this point, you're having a meltown.

500
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:54.599
You're gonna like surprise me in the middle of but

501
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.359
another sentence, you're gonna play the cloppet. Oh boy, Okay,

502
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:04.599
So I Friday's child, Friday's child.

503
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:09.279
Okay, that's an episode that's sleepy, that's sleep and also

504
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.359
cited and these are the voyages season three of being

505
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.960
very similar because Julie Numar is playing a very Elin

506
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.920
of Troya's type character where McCoy slaps them. Oh that's right,

507
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.039
and she has to learn how to be sensitive because

508
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:25.759
she's gonna be a mommy now mummy much like the

509
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.880
Alan here, but instead she's playing mommy to Kurt.

510
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:36.680
M and you get it for yourself instead of for me. Okay, yeah,

511
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.640
this episode is you know, there's action happening, and actually

512
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:46.119
the action itself is related to you know, at first,

513
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.319
I was a little like, why the Klingon show up?

514
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:54.759
And I I got this right right that like the

515
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:56.920
guy that made it so that if you go into

516
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.240
warp they're gonna blow up. He basically gave them way

517
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.519
of the Cleanons because he was upset because he wanted

518
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.359
to be with her, and then he kills himself. So

519
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.400
that's why the Cleons comes. You have this action set

520
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.519
he's happening where the Cleanons are like.

521
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.319
Well automatic automatically. Starfleet was interested in making sure that

522
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.480
the marriage happens right because it is on the border

523
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:24.519
of the Klingon Empire, yes, which automatically you're like proxy war.

524
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.839
Yeah, always interesting with the proxy war. Yeah, they have

525
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:34.519
a vested interest in this for the purposes and yeah,

526
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.200
so that you know, the Clanoun's going to show up

527
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.039
and then there is this thing. But like it is

528
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.599
all fundamentally like the action of the thing is driven

529
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:49.640
by the characters feelings and emotions and choices like imagine

530
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.559
you know, because I like to say plot is people,

531
00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:01.480
it's relationships. That's what plot actually aspen in Western story.

532
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.039
That's so fascinating that you said exactly that, because in

533
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.680
the use of the Voyages season three, a great memo

534
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.480
from Roddenberry one of the rare ones.

535
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.079
It's either he says the opposite of what I just

536
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.680
said or exactly what I just said.

537
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.200
Also agreed to great majority with your comment in responding

538
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:26.039
to the work that John Meredith Lucas did for this episode,

539
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:29.759
and I think the outline. Agreed to great majority with

540
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.640
your comments on John Meredith Lucas's first outlines. They were

541
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.440
very much to the point and showed a firm grasp

542
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:39.440
of Lajos Egri, which you read as a small boy

543
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.599
in grammar school in the Imperial Valley. Now, what are

544
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.559
you familiar with Loachos agree, I wasn't Lojos Egra was

545
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.920
a Hungarian born playwright who migrated to America and in

546
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.480
nineteen forty six Classmen published The Art of Dramatic Writing,

547
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:58.839
regarded for decades as one of the best works on

548
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.400
the subject and easily adaptable to the form of writing

549
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.480
novels and screenplays. Hold on to something excitedly ed Gree's belief,

550
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.920
which Rod and barring Adjustment adamantly subscribed to, was that

551
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.239
well defined characters drive by plot. Therefore, the foundation of

552
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.760
character is essential to a well crafted story. Aspen, I'm

553
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:22.400
so sorry. I know that it was a bit of

554
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.800
me withholding the applause, but I gotta give it up

555
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.320
to you.

556
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:35.199
Oh well, look at me. I'm just parroting things that

557
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:46.840
white men say. It's what I believe. Yeah, well, you know,

558
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:52.320
I mean. We teach, we teach improv. Yes, all right,

559
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.480
you do, Maybe I don't.

560
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:56.360
You will again.

561
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:04.000
We teach the narrative impress I don't. Oh right, I

562
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.199
t narrative improv you are teaching? Okay.

563
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:13.880
Sorry. We think about narrative theory a lot. We think

564
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:18.480
about narrative theory, we think about theater a lot, and

565
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.840
we think about I think about movies all the time,

566
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.679
as when thinks about movies all the time too, I'm sure.

567
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.960
Yeah, I think about story constantly.

568
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:28.800
When we think about story all the time.

569
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.559
And the thing that you run into with narrative improv

570
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.639
which in and of its own right is wild to say, Right,

571
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:44.079
you're creating a play from nothing. Is what often happens

572
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.320
if let's say you go to see one, which you should,

573
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.960
and the moment the players start getting so preoccupied with

574
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.239
the plot of the thing is the moment it stops

575
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.239
being fun to watch. Yes, it starts becoming things that

576
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.880
you have to justify, where people have to like talk

577
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.960
too much. You can feel them pulling away from each

578
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.000
other and you don't feel emotionally connected anymore. The best

579
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.360
shows are the ones where what we have together as

580
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.719
a relationship, the choices I make, the things I believe

581
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.599
in and what our relationship is, drives the next choices.

582
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:19.519
It drives the next thing. It becomes in the idealist

583
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.840
of worlds, like a waterfall, it's like or you know,

584
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.280
it's like a gentle, like you know what comes next,

585
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.360
because it almost like you still have to you know, create,

586
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.360
but like the best moments of the ones that are

587
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.440
just like, well, of course this is the next thing

588
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.000
to come because that has been driven and it is

589
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.079
so strong that it feels easy.

590
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:45.400
Well, I Star Trek two The Wrath ofcon Yeah, a

591
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:47.840
masterpiece of science fiction filmmaking.

592
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:50.000
That is.

593
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.280
Feels big, but whenever you think about it, it's pretty

594
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.199
darn small. It's so much of it, except for a

595
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:04.760
handful of things are motivated by character decisions. Yes, every

596
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.519
once in a while you'll need an introduction to a

597
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:12.760
new thing, because also whenever those things are introduced, it's

598
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:20.440
in relation to theme. Those are plot incidents things that

599
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.760
those are plot moves. We're introducing this thing. But more

600
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.639
often than not, the story is driven by characters making decisions. Right,

601
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:34.840
so too have as an elon a Troyish and uh

602
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.880
Jedi crash for the most part.

603
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:44.519
Oh Jedi Crash gets into some of my favorite conversations,

604
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.639
which is in my favorite character motivations, which is Ahsoka

605
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.079
struggling with the core tenets of the Jedi because they

606
00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:02.280
themselves have not clarified and also oh personal beliefs of

607
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:11.320
or like the the consequences of war and compassion. Yeah,

608
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.519
so their next choices that are made you know Anakin

609
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.400
because because of Anakin's compassion and love makes a choice

610
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.199
that gets him hurt. Now that he is hurt, and

611
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.199
we are in like a certain battle situation because we've

612
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.840
come to rescue and now we are crash landed on

613
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.559
a planet. Now that we're on a planet, Ahsoka wants

614
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.639
to stay with him because she loves him so much,

615
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.039
but like, we still have to think logically about the situation,

616
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.280
so I make the choice. She makes the choice to

617
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:45.239
do the hard thing. Like everything flows from what are

618
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.440
very real emotional stakes with characters that mean something to

619
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:56.039
each other, like truly do. It's been established and also

620
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.920
they reinforce even more here, So that's what you're getting at.

621
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.199
Yeah, while also getting meditations on attachment, Yes, what it

622
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:14.480
means to love and what it means to be man

623
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.639
Now I'm not just talking about it more. It starts

624
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:22.719
to become even more thematically tight because Anakin giving himself

625
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.679
because of his compassion, and then the discussions with Alis

626
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:30.440
and Korra and Ahsoka about the nature of attachment versus

627
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.000
love and ALA's interesting philosophies that I'm not entirely sure

628
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.599
that I agree with of being like we have to

629
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.079
be willing to sacrifice one to save a thousand. But

630
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.519
also it's the power dynamic that is kind of involved

631
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:50.440
with being a Jedi, right, It is not we have

632
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.639
a certain I mean that's my head canon. That's not

633
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.679
necessarily textual, but the head canon is we are arbiters

634
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.679
of power. We must be responsible, must be willing to

635
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.440
give ourselves as examples of what what it can mean

636
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.800
to love. And then at the same time, you're having

637
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:11.760
that notion challenged because in our minds still, especially with

638
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:13.840
the context of Star Wars at this point in time,

639
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:19.719
the Jedi are still big stinking heroes, even though we've

640
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:24.000
had Gray getting introduced, and this is another episode where

641
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.440
that Gray gets a little bit more muddied as well

642
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.000
by the introduction of the boy.

643
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.440
Wrote Yes, is that what they are because it sounds

644
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:36.559
like Lemurs.

645
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:41.719
Yes, which is apparently taken from a source manual somewhere.

646
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.880
Yeah, it's they were originally supposed to be in Return

647
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:47.800
of the Jedi.

648
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:52.719
Yes, or I don't think Return of the Jedi, Revenge.

649
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:54.960
Revenge of the they're supposed to be. Oh, yeah, they're

650
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.920
much more recent. Yeah, Revenge of the Seth and the Luremans.

651
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.559
They are the m yes, and the the Lerman leader

652
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:10.639
is interrogating you say that your keepers are the peace. Meanwhile,

653
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:17.519
we're over here practicing non violent. Yeah, and that has

654
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:23.159
its own complicated bailey attached with it. And I assume

655
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.320
because these are now parts of arcs that we will

656
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.400
have an answer to what that non violence means. Yeah,

657
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:36.360
but it is an interesting moral quandary to meditate on.

658
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:43.639
Where you are talking about is peace worth? It is

659
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.920
because they're basically just isolating themselves from the fight, but

660
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.960
also the galactic civil war, the clone wars are a

661
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.199
shamed to begin with, and there it's a tool of

662
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.039
control from the evil people, So why fight in the

663
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.480
war whenever? But they don't know that the destiny of

664
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:11.559
the war is predetermined. No matter who loses, the same

665
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:16.119
person wins. And it's a war of principle for some

666
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.920
people that are canonically naive, because makes Window and Yoda

667
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.039
know that they can't see these things.

668
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:31.320
What a good point, because I was having this sense

669
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.679
of like, well, what good are you doing.

670
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:38.800
To like to just.

671
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.599
Retreat and go by the way quote colonize a planet

672
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.800
that itself already has creatures on it, which what an

673
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:55.599
interesting form of violence you're not acknowledging, but colonization is violence. However,

674
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.760
I will say, for what it's worth, they clearly seem

675
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.880
to be trying very hard to live in harmony with it.

676
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.199
Like they don't kill the creatures they you know, they

677
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.719
use the seed pods, you know for you know, they

678
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.239
don't harvest and take they just take dropped stuff.

679
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.719
So for what it doesn't seem like they are displacing

680
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.719
anyone and instead are very much attempting to live in harmony.

681
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.360
But at the same time, it's something to disengage, yes,

682
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:24.519
with the environment. That's also I mean, the show is

683
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.159
wanting us to be like the Jedi are the good guys?

684
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.239
Is it? Though?

685
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.760
I think, well, I think what will happen in the

686
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.320
next episode that will become like, yeah, they are the

687
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.599
good guys, but maybe not like or at least it's

688
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.760
asking us to think it through. I think what you

689
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.760
are making me realize is one of the thoughts I

690
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.760
did have was like, you know, this kind of retreat

691
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.480
from everything, like I would much prefer to see like

692
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.320
non violent protest right, like to actually draw attention to

693
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.079
the thing. If you if you are so against it,

694
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.360
then why not use that power? And like the kind

695
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.880
of Quaker sense of things, right, like Quakers as Pacifi

696
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.199
are protesters.

697
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:06.719
And like, but use it in the civil rights movement

698
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:12.679
of disrupting unjust laws as well. It wasn't nonviolence without action,

699
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.719
it was nonviolence with actions. So you could create so

700
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.199
much of a farce that you have no choice but

701
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.920
to be like they're they're beating people for no reason

702
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:32.840
because they are sitting. This is unjust right, it's.

703
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.920
It's it's but like to bring up the fact that

704
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:41.480
the war itself, like the clone wars itself, is a farce, right, Yeah,

705
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.079
they don't know that, but I think probably by their

706
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:48.360
by their understanding of war and violence, they all are

707
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.840
because they all are fabricated for the purposes of taking

708
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.599
power from someone else. Like I think by their by

709
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.719
their theory of war. It's not like there is one

710
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.440
power with this amount of power going up against a

711
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.320
very equal power, and it's always that way, right, Like

712
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:13.559
there is and it kind of but actually I sort

713
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.639
of like lost my trade of thought there. I think

714
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.000
if it were that, it would be one thing. But

715
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:27.159
like wars themselves are generated in order to disrupt the

716
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.639
lives of others, like often the kinds of what we

717
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.719
see is about taking away from others.

718
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.840
Which is what our Jedi probably see. They have seen

719
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.960
a galaxy at peace.

720
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:41.159
I e.

721
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:48.239
No vastly disrupt the disruptive wars, and they are maint

722
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:54.719
wanting to return to that status quo without necessarily And again,

723
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.960
if the prequels were executed better, then we'd be able

724
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:03.039
to have more meaningful converse stations. But also and also

725
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.039
Dave Filoni loves the Jedi. I love the Jedi too.

726
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.280
They're cool, they fly, they fly. Now I don't like them,

727
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.519
I understand. So we're trying to have our cake and

728
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.199
eat it too, like being like, hey, pretty interesting as

729
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:23.800
opposed to what it is, which is a textually within

730
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.239
within the text of the Star Wars franchise. So far,

731
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:31.960
we know that the Jedi cannot see what's going on.

732
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:33.039
That's true.

733
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:40.760
They do, true, and they haven't told the people. They

734
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.960
haven't been responsible by being like our powers are limited.

735
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.880
We know something is going on, but we can't see it.

736
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:52.280
Therefore we need someone to help us.

737
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.559
You know. There's sort of like this post nine to eleven,

738
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.400
you know, like the Vinear of the Thing of or

739
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:06.199
not even Pozilent, like post Vietnam War, frankly like World

740
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.639
War Two. Of course, there's this classic it's held up

741
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.440
as this is like their feels. It is like the

742
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:17.599
last time there was a clear Baddie and Goudi's right, like,

743
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.880
we're obviously stopping the march of fascism, are we? Yeah,

744
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.360
I mean yeah, we were obviously like then, But then

745
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:26.960
in subsequent.

746
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.760
We were stopping. We were one person nakedly grabbing for

747
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.360
power and doing heinous things exactly. Meanwhile, a lot of

748
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.840
the superpowers had the good graces to be able to

749
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.880
make that creeping fascism behind closed doors.

750
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.079
That's that's exactly the way to describe it, thank you. Yeah,

751
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.840
like just we know you're going to do it, Just

752
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.719
do it where we can't see, yeah, right, And then

753
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.840
post that with the Lmar Korean War, any kind of

754
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.159
engagement we've had since then, Afghanistan, Rock Golf, for like,

755
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.719
all of these are themselves so muddied and so muddled

756
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.960
where to the point where you have to fabricate the

757
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:04.760
idea that there is a bad guy and a good

758
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.159
guy that is exclusively that, right, which.

759
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.280
Also takes away power from the facts that the poles

760
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.159
that we were technically going after were heinous people to

761
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.960
begin with, but like you could have done done those

762
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:24.920
strategic operations as opposed to like going you know, committing

763
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.559
entire military forces losing how many lines?

764
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:33.199
Yeah, I mean war is like nationalism is huge, and

765
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.480
if you come at it from that perspective of like,

766
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.920
this is all a fabrication to uh, you know, put

767
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.079
money in the pockets of contract or like you know,

768
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.719
like war profiteers or for your rich buddies, right, like,

769
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.000
and you can imagine this colony of pasif as being like,

770
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.679
none of this is fucking real. And of course the

771
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.320
counter to that is but people really, like people are dying,

772
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.320
and this is worth your protest if you truly believe this,

773
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.559
and you should. I believe this, right. And also they

774
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:06.119
deserve to live safely.

775
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.039
Is it cowardly for them to be like we deserve

776
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:10.639
a safe life?

777
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:11.280
Right?

778
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.280
I don't honestly think so, Like, yeah, it's a huge

779
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.440
ass galaxy and they're just like, fuck, I thought we

780
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:18.159
got away from it.

781
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:25.239
That's true, so many planets and they're just like, no, yes,

782
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:27.800
it's it's not like they move to Tahoe or like

783
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:29.960
we're just going to stay on the lake from now

784
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.079
on right, right, well, fly fly our giant American flag

785
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.039
and just live at Tahoe and we get all of

786
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:36.920
our groceries to liver.

787
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.760
Right, They're like, they're like, we're gonna literally get the

788
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.440
fuck out of here. We're not even going to like

789
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.360
disrupt the native flora and fauna truly, We're gonna just

790
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.199
like try to live in harmony. God damn it, Hey,

791
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.239
why are you here? Like of course they're mad, you know,

792
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.519
and then of course they're still good, they're good kind people. Yeah,

793
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.400
So it's an interesting it is a it's a it's real,

794
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.199
it's real head scratcher. And then I'm I know I've

795
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.480
seen this before, but I'm almost certain that we're going

796
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.519
to have the sort of like the equivalent of the

797
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:11.519
like that last episode, like the bomb bad Jedi episode

798
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.320
where it's like, oh, sorry, now the separatists are here

799
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:15.880
and they're trying to kill us, and we really have

800
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.880
to pick a side or something that's probalyk you know,

801
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.519
which I don't like and I and hopefully I can't

802
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.800
remember if it turns out that way or not, but

803
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.400
because I think it's good to stay in this great

804
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:30.159
area and keep thinking about it, because it's interesting, and

805
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.280
we got plenty of time to be in that conversation.

806
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:32.599
You know.

807
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.320
Yeah, man, we didn't even delve into it was brought

808
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.880
up barely, but the attachment that Ayla and Ahsoka have

809
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:51.639
in regards to attachment and love. Because now a little

810
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.840
birdie told me that you have me some issues what

811
00:50:56.559 --> 00:51:01.280
with the Jedi lifestyle and how attachment is forbidden.

812
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:02.440
Was I the bird?

813
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.239
Yeah, you were the I told you.

814
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:06.920
I told you like five minutes ago.

815
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:09.159
What do you think about that conversation?

816
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.960
In the moment, I was like, she's doing a much

817
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:20.159
better job than Luminara. Did I like it a little better? Goodness?

818
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.480
I need to actually rewatch her read their back and forth,

819
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:27.960
because I actually I think that it is a very

820
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.280
I don't think it's a bad thing to be like, yeah,

821
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.320
we cannot sacrifice one person, or we cannot sacrifice like

822
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.039
hundreds of people for one person, like if you are

823
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:42.119
in a position.

824
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.039
Where you are well, I guess we did talk about

825
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.360
this a little bit. It's in terms of it's not fair.

826
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.840
It's fair for us because each one of them are

827
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.880
making a choice. Even though the way that we understand

828
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.880
the Jedi not necessarily because it seems like you might

829
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:04.199
be indoctrinated into it. But theoretically I think I think

830
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.519
the show is possibly saying, well, I don't really know.

831
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.519
It could also just Dave Filoni be making, uh, making

832
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:19.639
just broad gestures to things that are meaningful, but you

833
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.280
need to interrogate it just a little bit of for it.

834
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.960
It is it is perceived as noble to sacrifice one

835
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:31.480
life to say one thousand. Yes, it's very spock, yes

836
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.599
as long, but also it has to be their choice

837
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.519
to sacrifice that life. Are you participating with an assistant

838
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.239
that allows you to make that choice freely? Or are

839
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:44.920
you making that out of social pressure?

840
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.599
Are you existingly you are accepting the responsibility as a

841
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:56.599
Jedi by your like that tenants to say, like I

842
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:02.760
am entrusted with this responsibility and like that's how they

843
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:09.880
can do their thing right, because it's like it's oh God,

844
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.199
because they're cops, right, Like like they're cops, and so

845
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.639
you know, if you can imagine if cops actually like

846
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:23.840
we're good at what they did, they would have a

847
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:27.679
way of also like engaging with this thoughtfully of like

848
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.880
what is my responsibility to this society as a person

849
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.280
who is trying to do who's supposed to be keeping

850
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.719
people safe? Like there is more of a like I,

851
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.760
you and I were not Jedi. We're not people with

852
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:44.079
that societal responsibility necessarily, Like.

853
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.559
No, I'm a podcast that teaches improv comedy, right, Like.

854
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.920
Yeah, would I save you and let one hundred people die? Probably?

855
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:56.840
You know, like, but I don't have to be the

856
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:00.920
one to make those choices often often did the other day?

857
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.039
Would you sacrifice your podcasting co host to save the

858
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:11.000
lives of one hundred asen? Yes? Yes? Where do I sign?

859
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:11.199
What?

860
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.360
Hold on? Asked? I mean you answered that question pretty quickly.

861
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.880
I'll do it. I'll sacrifice Kenny. That's fine, let's do it.

862
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:21.199
Yeah yeah, yeah, but.

863
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.719
Also maybe the system that has to sacrifice one for

864
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:28.840
a thousand us yeah.

865
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.519
And I think that's that's the further interrogation of like,

866
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:33.960
well have you created this situation? You know, like what

867
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.719
have you created versus like what is actually necessary? And

868
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.320
it's like the societal rules you make up to have

869
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:45.519
like shortcuts to things. And I think I remember that.

870
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.480
I can't remember exactly what Ahsoka said, but I said

871
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.039
out loud to no one. I was just like, this

872
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.000
is why I love Ahsoka because it felt like she

873
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.679
was responding to something. So he was saying as if

874
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.840
to say, I don't like these aren't her words, but

875
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:02.719
it's like, why is the so like living in such absolutes,

876
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:07.800
like like we can both love and I know only

877
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:11.400
sits dal in absolutes. I know, I know, like we

878
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:16.000
can both love and feel deeply and also recognize this

879
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.559
role and responsibility we have, and like it is it's

880
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.480
like almost childish. I feel like to reduce it to

881
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.239
such a level. And I and she said something along

882
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.519
the lines of like why can't both things be true?

883
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.920
And I think that like is laying the groundwork for

884
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.960
the kind of person Ahsoka it is who is like

885
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.719
what she'll later do, which I've told you a million times,

886
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.719
Like she leaves a Jedi order and we know you've

887
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:45.639
seen Ahsoka she leaves the Jedi order. She's not a

888
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.440
Jedi like and it's she's better for it, you know.

889
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.039
But she has to keep all the things that rule

890
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.840
about them and then also be a little bit more

891
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.039
fucking like thoughtful about it.

892
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.719
So this could frame the discussion even more. Which is

893
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.239
our fortune cookie At the beginning of the episode, this

894
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:09.880
feels pretty clear cut on this Greed and fear of

895
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:13.159
loss are the roots that lead to the tree of evil.

896
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.599
I thought about that a lot, because greed and fear

897
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.559
of loss says to me more of the fear of

898
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.599
losing your power versus the fear of losing someone you love.

899
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.679
Because it feels very strange to put greed and fear

900
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.679
of loss together unless you're talking about something specific like that.

901
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.840
Except I mean, it's been coded within the prequels that

902
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.519
we know what those two things mean in tandem. That's

903
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:49.239
emotional that is romantic love, or which is selfish familial

904
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:50.239
familial love.

905
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.079
Yeah, you are greedy for wanting to save your mother.

906
00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.440
Sorry Jesus Christ.

907
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:08.679
Speaking of throwing around drastic words. But sir, there are

908
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:13.639
still hundreds of droids on that ship. Can't remember this

909
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.519
line from the beginning of Jedi Crash because we've talked

910
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.679
about droid personhood, Yeah, a little bit, and it's been

911
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:26.559
kind of nebulous so far. We've been We've been there.

912
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:32.079
There's another wrinkle. A separatist ship with a general on

913
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:35.519
that ship given orders, and the droid pleads to the

914
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.559
general on the separatist ship because they want to shoot

915
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:43.320
down the little baby Star Destroyer and the droid goes,

916
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.840
but sir, there are still hundreds of droids on that ship,

917
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.800
as if to be like, they're my best friends. You

918
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:49.440
can't do this.

919
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:51.760
Well.

920
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.400
And it's complicated even more by the fact and he's

921
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.159
just like, I don't care shoot him down. And it's

922
00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:58.639
complicated even more by the fact that he is also

923
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:02.679
a droid. Is a droid Like, it's so funny. We

924
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:04.480
don't like talk about that a lot that like one

925
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:09.599
of the major separatist groups is droids. It's like the

926
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.800
true drog Like, yeah, yeah. As soon as that happened,

927
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:20.519
I was like a self hating drawing. Actually, I don't

928
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.079
want the thoughts on that. I know you're getting at

929
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.039
something specific, But I was like, why didn't that Why

930
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.239
didn't there Republic just start creating droids to also fights,

931
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:30.719
we didn't have to worry so much about human beings dying.

932
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.280
And then I was just like, well, we had already

933
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:33.840
invested in all the human beings and this is a

934
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:35.840
cost measure. What are you gonna do with all those

935
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.800
clones if not put them into battle? Going through a

936
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:41.280
variety of different thoughts based on that scene, well.

937
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:44.519
It wasn't until android, though I found out the answer. Yeah,

938
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:46.079
humans are cheaper.

939
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:49.960
Yeah, exactly they are. And then that was which is

940
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.440
just like a lot of money. Yeah, it's a whole

941
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:59.599
a devastating answer and also simultaneously a handway the answer,

942
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:02.719
because then they have to be like, but how are

943
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:03.280
they cheaper?

944
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.159
It doesn't matter. Yeah, they're cheaper, that's why.

945
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.079
Yeah, then that makes sense. But you're right, like it's

946
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:15.840
it is, this comes up and it kind of yeah,

947
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:20.360
it becomes like it's just like there's a horror element

948
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.159
to this, and then also like not disposable.

949
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:27.679
Yeah, clones are disposable and droids are disposable, and also

950
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.039
we're starting to get clones to be people too.

951
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.719
When they got when they were killed, like the faction

952
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:36.360
that goes off to try to get help and they're

953
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:44.719
killed by the vulture lion lizards. Three guys die, and

954
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.639
I like, I was actively like, oh, this is horrifying,

955
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.159
Like those are buds, Like they're just fucking dead.

956
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:52.360
Oh it hurt.

957
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.039
Yeah, yep, it's interesting. It's the interesting thing. What we're

958
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.880
sorry when you were talking about attachment and you're talking

959
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.960
about Star Trek as well, and I went off hardcore

960
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.679
on the Jedi path. But what were you talking about with.

961
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.320
The other side of it too, in the sense that

962
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.519
I am attached to Star Trek and I love it.

963
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:17.480
No, you were talking specifically about because I love Star Trek.

964
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.760
I yeah, I mean tell me about your attachment. Would

965
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.840
you give up Star Trek to save one hundred people?

966
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:32.559
Yeah? Yeah, sorry sorry, Star Trek. It would hurt. But

967
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:38.920
well unless it was like a hundred like Trump supporters, maybe.

968
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.599
I mean I would. No, you're talking about Elon and

969
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.920
like attachment as well, and like love. I don't know

970
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.800
if you had any thought with that or specifically.

971
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.239
I mean, whereas Star Wars seems to be trying to

972
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.360
go out of its way of being like, nah man,

973
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:59.599
can't have friends, friends are selfish, can't have can't have

974
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.400
like these strong attachments, nah Man, Star Trek is over

975
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:10.440
here being like having close friends will literally save the galaxy,

976
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:18.119
like in this episode, well, Star Trek overarching. Yeah, that's true,

977
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:19.119
not necessarily.

978
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.400
Star Wars doesn't say that, by the way, that the

979
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.199
like three of the Jedi now Star Wars says having

980
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.199
close friends will literally save the kids.

981
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.000
Except that our fortune cookie this week is greed and

982
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:30.880
fear of laws.

983
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.239
Yeah, for the fucking Jedi. They're not it, They're not

984
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:37.079
all that.

985
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:41.280
Maybe that's why Mandalorian is completely devoid of the emotion,

986
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.760
because Filonia is like, attachment is forbidden.

987
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.599
Oh my god, get over here, everybody. Well, well, the

988
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:48.400
other the thing about this episode.

989
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:51.639
Was George was George was saying that attachment's forbidden.

990
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.239
George, Oh, it's good. You're doing your impression.

991
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.039
I'm working on I'm workshopping right now. It kind of

992
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.480
sounds more like Matt Bester than full on, although they

993
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:04.960
kind of speak with a similar similar nasal quality. George

994
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:12.079
George says George, George. We were talking with George, and

995
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.960
George was like, what if what if he was just

996
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:18.679
a robot that was made of rust? And so we

997
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:21.480
really took the ball and ran with that, and so

998
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.760
we were like, well, kind of have a robot would

999
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.639
be a rusty and we built out this whole eCos system.

1000
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:29.559
It's really good.

1001
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.440
Meanwhile, meanwhile, George was being like, what if, like a

1002
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.840
robot was rusty, I'm going to go get a dire

1003
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:42.239
Coke Di Coke and Filonius like genius George dennit again.

1004
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.639
Oh yeah, he takes off his hat and salutes.

1005
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.239
Him salutes well, I guess it's a really good bit.

1006
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.559
I don't. I'm just like, there's a thing though in

1007
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:58.360
the episode where the tears of on they make him

1008
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:02.159
make Kirk fall in love with her and he's fundamentally.

1009
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.880
Attached to her, which I gotta I gotta say, we're

1010
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.199
talking about character decisions and plot decisions. This is a

1011
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.440
total plot decision that I think, actually it's kind of

1012
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:12.559
detrimental to the progress of the episode.

1013
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.960
I was thinking, I think you.

1014
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:20.119
Can just have their chemistry be totally normal as opposed

1015
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.840
to like having a compulsion.

1016
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:24.440
Yeah, I thought that's it. I was like, what if

1017
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.559
you just genuinely fell hard for her?

1018
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:32.480
She's she's crying, yeah, Like, and Kirk sees this extremely

1019
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:35.840
headstrong which we know that he's attracted a headstrong ladies.

1020
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:39.239
My god, absolutely, and then he sees that she has

1021
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:44.280
other feelings too, and suddenly she's well rounded in so

1022
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:49.679
many ways, right, and like, just let it. Yeah, happen

1023
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.280
happened that way. And instead it's this plot mechanic that

1024
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:56.360
is invented by Bob Juman, who is like, what if

1025
01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:57.760
she has magic powers?

1026
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.599
You're I'm totally with you, like it seems like one

1027
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.760
of those choices where it's like, you know what, why,

1028
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:09.679
like why genuinely and it's kind of like how. And

1029
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:16.440
Wonder Woman eighty four a movie that I enjoy, a

1030
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.480
good movie, but you know what is so distracting about

1031
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:23.320
that film the fact that Chris Pine is in another

1032
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:26.920
dude's body. Yes, and there she is like having sex

1033
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.800
with another man's body that he has not given consent to,

1034
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.599
Like the implications of it are so wild, and it

1035
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.840
actually kind of like it makes it hard for me

1036
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.360
to enjoy even though I really like that movie.

1037
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.159
What I liked about Wonder Woman eighty four is that

1038
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:43.039
I thought it was good.

1039
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:46.519
Yeah, well they could have just as easily had that

1040
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.440
not be a thing at all. It's true, like why

1041
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.719
why put it in there, like just have him come

1042
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:55.320
back or something, or being a dead guy's body, I

1043
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:58.360
don't know, like do something like that's not that Like

1044
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.039
it's fucking insane and all you had to do was

1045
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.360
just not do it. And I feel like that has

1046
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:05.760
the same vibe here where it's like, no, why did

1047
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:07.239
she just not do it? It's hat on a hat,

1048
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:09.559
you know, just like just do it, don't do it?

1049
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:11.400
Just don't do it. Yeah, don't have to do it,

1050
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.800
you want to do it. But they did it because

1051
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:15.280
there was a whole bunch of white boys writing.

1052
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:20.039
But it does make for a really great Chatner performance

1053
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.400
that is very like, like you can tell that he's

1054
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:28.199
like so conflicted, which you wouldn't have been without that.

1055
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:37.280
Whenever he gets caught by Spock and McCoy and oh,

1056
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:43.800
he is instantly so ashamed. And because McCoy and Spock

1057
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.719
are writer die for Kirk. It's not like, Kirk, what

1058
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:51.079
are you doing, They're like you touch the tears or

1059
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:54.000
they're like no, I think Spock is like are you okay?

1060
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:58.519
Yeah, yeah, They're pretty worried, and then they're like, oh shit,

1061
01:05:58.559 --> 01:05:59.079
you did this thing.

1062
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:04.119
They was like, George wanted there to be magic tears,

1063
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.440
and so what me and Henry Gilroy did is we

1064
01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.320
sat down with our concept artists and we thought about

1065
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.079
what kind of a race would have magic tears, and

1066
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.440
we thought of this beautiful water planet that was coming

1067
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:21.440
out of this pulsar and it looked like.

1068
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:30.239
You're doing it's so good. Yeah it. By the end

1069
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:34.480
of the episode, McCoy comes out and is like, well

1070
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.840
I felt, you know, like I figured out an answer.

1071
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:39.760
It turns out that the tears create a kind of

1072
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.679
it's a kind of infection, and I've found the cure

1073
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.719
for it. And Spock's like, doctor, I don't think that

1074
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:49.280
we're going to neath that because he already has the cure,

1075
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:52.039
which is basically that he's already obsessed and tied to

1076
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:53.159
the ship, which.

1077
01:06:53.039 --> 01:07:02.280
Is a woman woman. Yeah, and he's just like, look,

1078
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:08.559
I appreciate being unsubtle. I'll stand on a pedestal and

1079
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.559
be like, subtlety is over rated. At the same time,

1080
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:14.199
do you really need to connect the dote and supposed

1081
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.920
to just like having a lingering shot of Kirk, like

1082
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.440
pointing on the bridge and stuff, and like doing Star

1083
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:24.840
Trek stuff, touching the walls, kiss giving them, giving them.

1084
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.400
He's just giving your kiss, putting his boots back on

1085
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.159
to show that he is fucked the ship.

1086
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:34.280
Speaking of which.

1087
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:40.559
A long time ago start DA This week, I quoted

1088
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:44.679
a boat, dated a game, but none of them could

1089
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:51.400
work my drive into high birth space. The best of

1090
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:59.280
both worlds can be in the second place, Captain slog

1091
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.280
the Haala Kron I wanted a song. I pend a

1092
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:12.800
song seventeen more minutes advised in Super high dev aboard

1093
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:16.640
the USS Erprise dt F.

1094
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.359
Don't you take my walk lighter and clip it.

1095
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:27.119
Don't you take my ritchard buddy and nip it. If

1096
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:31.239
you spill the tea, I'm gonna sip it my starship it.

1097
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:34.000
What are we doing, Aspen?

1098
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:37.880
We are gonna name our favorite starships that ship through

1099
01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:41.880
the sky, O favorite chip ships that people go and kiss,

1100
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:43.279
kiss in the sky.

1101
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:48.680
Ask them, what do we got? What we got this week?

1102
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.640
What do we got? What's our favorite ship? Our favorite

1103
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:54.279
vehicle ship? I feel like there are quite a lot

1104
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:59.239
of ships to choose from in Clone Wars specifically, I mean,

1105
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.079
there is pretty significant ship in Star Trek.

1106
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:05.920
There's a significant one that we have. I guess you

1107
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:10.159
could put an asterisk on it a little bit. We

1108
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:13.479
technically have seen it in the Enterprise Incident already.

1109
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:18.600
Okay, so it's not the first actual it is.

1110
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:22.439
The first filmed appearance of the Klingon d the D

1111
01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:25.479
seven Klingon Cruiser, and I supplied to them by a

1112
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:31.359
MT Model makers. Okay, this is the first like script

1113
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.640
appearance of it. But when if you're watching Enterprise Incident,

1114
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.439
you're like, oh, these are huh. There's a Klingon Romulan alliance.

1115
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.199
That's going on, right, here's right. I remember. That's interesting

1116
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:44.800
because this is the first time that we've seen these ships.

1117
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.760
That's because this episode was filmed first film. It was

1118
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.439
the second episode filmed with the season. But the opticals

1119
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.960
were taking longer because there's a space battle and they'd

1120
01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:01.960
never made a star Trek before. Oh, like, this stuff

1121
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.960
takes a while, and it was either that our Enterprise

1122
01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:09.039
incident that would be on camera first or be aired first,

1123
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.319
And as we talked about in our Enterprise Incident episode,

1124
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:13.960
they wanted to air that faster because of Carn events.

1125
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:18.359
Carn events. That's right, there's two space battle there's space

1126
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:20.119
battle in this one and a space battle in the

1127
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:25.479
Star Wars episode. I'm gonna name the one I like

1128
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:30.439
is called the one for today, is called the Munificent

1129
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:37.279
Class Comms Frigate. It is uh, it is uh the ships.

1130
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:42.319
It's the Banking Clan Frigate. So it's the worships that

1131
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:48.159
are being used to like fire upon so Kuras people

1132
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.479
and their ships. So I just liked the look of them.

1133
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.319
I was like, I don't know if I would think

1134
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.600
we've ever done this before, and since we're having a

1135
01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:59.039
space battle. I was like paying a lot of attention

1136
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:01.319
to the different tips in it, and I just think

1137
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:03.960
it has a cool little shape to it. It kind

1138
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:07.760
of looks like they just look like strange, like short,

1139
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.600
stubby submarines, just like a cool vibe into it. And

1140
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:12.560
I like the name of it.

1141
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:18.119
I love submarines so much aspen. Yeah, yeah, I would

1142
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:19.479
love to go on one one day.

1143
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:20.279
Yeah.

1144
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:24.159
Yeah, well, maybe not too too deep. Don't go too deep.

1145
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:26.079
I go to the bottom of the ocean.

1146
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:28.640
Oh boy, go see that Titanic.

1147
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:30.399
No, i'd see that Titanic.

1148
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:32.920
Yeah, go see that Titanic. Do you see a couple

1149
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.000
of other billionaires died recently, not in a not in

1150
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:38.560
a submersible, but they did dive off of a ship.

1151
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:39.399
Hm hmm.

1152
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:46.359
This is called This is called making appropriate, uh sacrifices

1153
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:50.600
to the sea gods. Anyway, go on, what's yours?

1154
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:53.600
Because you put the thought in my head, I'm gonna

1155
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:58.600
do the I'm gonna do the kling On D seven. Yeah, okay,

1156
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.159
because the other one was a Romulin D seven.

1157
01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.319
There you go. This one's real. Yeah, it was, by

1158
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:06.960
the way, because I wasn't sure if you wanted to

1159
01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:08.800
choose it. But the ship that they do crash land

1160
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:10.960
on the planet is a very cool ship as well.

1161
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:13.680
I thought that you might take that one. But I'm

1162
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.600
glad you took the warship.

1163
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:19.520
Yeah again, as I talked about in the Enterprise Incident episode,

1164
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:24.239
it's another like stone cold, brilliant design from Matt Jaffrays

1165
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.319
while also incorporating all of this designed Philosophyzburger star Trek.

1166
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.920
It just looks so good, oddly not like anything that

1167
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:35.960
you've seen. But at the same time, you're like, kind.

1168
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:38.159
Of bird, kind of bird?

1169
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.119
How can I ever consider myself a smart person whenever

1170
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:43.600
my analysis boils down to kind of bird?

1171
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:49.640
Hey, Kenny, Yeah, boss, The smartest people could find the

1172
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.880
most relatable things to use the most relatable words. So

1173
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:59.399
you did it. You're a smart guy. You're like, if.

1174
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.359
What are you gonna do? What's going to happen?

1175
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.600
Is that smart?

1176
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.479
I'm like, if a guy was smart.

1177
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:14.279
H the See what I just did. I just proved

1178
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:14.720
my point.

1179
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.039
Hold on, I got to write that in the show.

1180
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:24.359
Not yeah anyway, talk about who we want to kiss?

1181
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.119
Yeah, let's get down to brass tax Aspen.

1182
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:29.119
Can I do it?

1183
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:36.479
Can I take it? Yes, Alana and Kirk. Oh interesting, really, no,

1184
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:44.199
listen is a problematic? Yes, what isn't is it?

1185
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:48.159
Lots of things? Baby cats, Oh.

1186
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.680
They're so good, but sometimes they're a little sharp. Clothes

1187
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:51.800
get you and that's a problem.

1188
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:54.840
Puppies with their well, they just want to lick you

1189
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:58.119
and they manage to get your nose. And they're also

1190
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:04.279
so peep all over the floor. Problems problem your partner, Joel.

1191
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:08.560
Okay, don't try to trick me.

1192
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:13.079
No, asmen, your partner, Joel.

1193
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:19.159
You know, he's a human being. We're all problematic. Don't

1194
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:19.800
believe me like that.

1195
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:28.359
He listens to this podcast, Joel. That's right before before

1196
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.840
we started recording Aspen, was like, Joel said the most

1197
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:35.039
racist thing, and I love him so much. But at

1198
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:40.479
the same time I was like, maybe, oh boy, anyways.

1199
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:41.199
Can't wait to get Aspen.

1200
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:45.760
And later on, yeah, and you repeated it, and I

1201
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.880
was like, yeah, unequivocally it's extremely racist.

1202
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:51.920
Quickly, Yeah, but it's okay. If someone else said, I

1203
01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:54.520
can say, you know, like I'm just I'm just saying

1204
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:55.199
what they said.

1205
01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:59.520
Yeah, it was wild. Whenever you bookmarked your story about

1206
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:00.880
Joel with those things.

1207
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:06.239
Yeah, anyway, it's a it's enemy's to lovers, it's hot.

1208
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:13.640
I'm sure she spegged her. She seems to really be

1209
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.680
into him too. Obviously he's love potioned, but like she's

1210
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:20.319
rolling to him. She opened up to him, she likes him.

1211
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.600
They're like little combos that are so sad about duty.

1212
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:26.039
And like we didn't even talk about the fact that,

1213
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.720
like it fucking sucks that she is basically being you.

1214
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.000
She's not, but she is actually being used as a

1215
01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:36.520
tool of diplomacy. She's being married off to someone she

1216
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.399
doesn't want to marry. She doesn't want to fucking do this.

1217
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:40.960
She doesn't want to go live on a planet that's

1218
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:44.079
not her planet. Like she's being subjected to rules that

1219
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:46.439
are not the rules of her planet. Like by the way,

1220
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:49.039
they're all just like it's like there's like a way

1221
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.279
that you should always be behaving, and it's like she

1222
01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:53.000
lives on a planet where that's not the way you

1223
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:57.319
behave Like it's it's awful for her, Like this is

1224
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:01.359
really bad, and like I'm glad that she got to

1225
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:07.399
get sex before she did that. We didn't even talk

1226
01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:07.720
about that.

1227
01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:12.479
Gohad, Like, man, oh my gosh, that's right. She's getting

1228
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.239
married off for political purposes. Yeah, it's awful and it's

1229
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:17.600
kind of like, wow, I sure have learned my lesson

1230
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.000
on how to get married for political purposes.

1231
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:23.920
Well, I think what I like about the performance is

1232
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:27.159
she there is a feeling there and that also was

1233
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:31.359
just like and this is still shitty, like, but I

1234
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:35.600
guess like, if we have to comply with our duties,

1235
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:39.119
you too, as the captain of this ship and as

1236
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.359
a member of starfleet, you have your own duties. I

1237
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:46.119
have my duties. Yeah, like she doesn't. It's almost like

1238
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:48.199
she's like, well, I have to do this for the duty.

1239
01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:51.439
That doesn't mean I'm happy about it. And you know,

1240
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:53.680
there's something really powerful in that, like the way that

1241
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:57.640
she had like set her jaw. Oh god, she rules, so.

1242
01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:04.399
Uh that's great And no, you keep speaking about duty. However,

1243
01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.119
Elon and Kirk is not endgame. You know what is

1244
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:12.000
endgame until he kills himself. Elon and Crichton, you know

1245
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:18.199
that those two had fun sex. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

1246
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:21.760
But Crichton's just a little bit too attached as opposed

1247
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.520
to Elon, who was like, whatever, you're just another boy,

1248
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:29.000
and she says that you're just another boy. But Crichton Meanwhile,

1249
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.239
it's just like, you don't understand that was the best

1250
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:37.199
sex I have ever had and will ever have. So

1251
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:39.600
I am going to kill myself and sell you out

1252
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:44.840
to the Klingons yep. Yeah, and you know that she

1253
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:48.079
was liking it, and he's like pretty good because also

1254
01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:52.159
he's a guard, so you know he's toned.

1255
01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:57.359
Yeah, so it's at least like probably active.

1256
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.560
Yeah, And so they banged, they had a fun night,

1257
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:02.680
and she was able to get over it, but he wasn't.

1258
01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:07.880
Yeah, leading to the most dramatic thing you could ever do.

1259
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.399
Sell out the woman that you that ghosted you and

1260
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:14.640
kill yourself.

1261
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:22.800
Pretty dramatic. Well that's not all. That's pretty dramatic. So

1262
01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:25.159
too is the central conceit of our podcast, which is

1263
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.760
better Star Trek or Star Wars. So let's go back

1264
01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:31.039
to the central conceit, which is better from Star Trek

1265
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.479
the original series Season three, Elana Troyes versus Star Wars

1266
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:39.000
the Clone Wars Season one, Jedi Crash. Uh asked me,

1267
01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:42.039
why don't you go ahead and start first with Jedi Crash.

1268
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:51.479
Jedi Crash, Jedi Crash, Jedi Crashing seven point.

1269
01:18:52.840 --> 01:19:00.319
Eight seven point eight fascinating, fascinating, for any particularly.

1270
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.039
I'm with you. Is it like a dynamic interesting episode?

1271
01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:13.159
I I really liked it. We talked a lot about

1272
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.520
concepts that I think are very interesting and I appreciate

1273
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:20.119
them bringing up a lot of like emotional connective moments.

1274
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:23.319
The dynamic, the the animation is beautiful.

1275
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:30.079
Yes, well, I'm giving it an eight point two.

1276
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:31.319
There.

1277
01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.880
Y episode was so dank good. We didn't even talk

1278
01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:38.920
about dear our rolling boy.

1279
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:43.680
Oh yeah, the sweet babe boy that the leader of

1280
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.720
the Wag two wag.

1281
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:50.199
To his son who in order to they have to

1282
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:53.279
return to the ship m H in order to grab

1283
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.880
Anakin and wag To in order to whag Too in

1284
01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.359
order to wag to the character whag To starts rolling

1285
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:04.880
from the encampment of the LUREM and apparently canonically doesn't

1286
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:07.720
stop until they get to the ship to get Anakin.

1287
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:11.119
What a dizzy boy, What a dizzy boy?

1288
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:17.079
Along with that extremely thrilling opening chunk that I just

1289
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:21.520
cannot get enough of. Uh And I believe that is

1290
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:25.840
our highest rated episode that we have done for Star

1291
01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:33.399
Wars in a good long while, not counting not counting

1292
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:39.439
the special editions. Oh no, that's well, our last highest

1293
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:43.720
episode was Clone Wars Volume two for Star Wars, but

1294
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:48.000
still anyone's game Jedi Crash that currently stands at an

1295
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:52.880
a aspen. What do you rank, Elon of Troyus. I

1296
01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:55.239
did have a thought while I was watching this awesome

1297
01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:58.479
That's why we have a podcast. You danked on one

1298
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:02.600
single thought, one singular thought.

1299
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:05.359
What would this episode? How would I have taken it

1300
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:09.239
in if it happened in the first season, Like, would

1301
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:11.119
I have been like, oh, this is good but not

1302
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:12.760
as good as some others or something like that.

1303
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:14.479
Oh, I think it would be a stone cold classic.

1304
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:19.520
And just because yeah, absolutely, because you have a dynamite

1305
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:25.640
central performance with France New Yen as a what a strong,

1306
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:27.680
nuanced performance.

1307
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:28.399
Yeah.

1308
01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:31.520
It could have been so easy to be one or

1309
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:35.000
the other. It could have been easy to have those

1310
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:40.239
two emotionalities feel completely split, and instead it is threaded

1311
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.800
pretty darn well with these things. I think it's great.

1312
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:45.479
I think if it were the first season, it would

1313
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.319
be a classic. I think it was the second season,

1314
01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:48.079
it would be a classic.

1315
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:51.239
Do you convince me is it considered a classic.

1316
01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:53.000
Per third season?

1317
01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:54.640
Yes, for third season it is.

1318
01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:57.600
I like that. I just went on being like, it

1319
01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.319
would be a classical no matter what season, then I

1320
01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:02.159
immediately call if it with well for the third season.

1321
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:11.600
Yeah, I am going to give it a seven point five.

1322
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:15.359
Oh man, you do love to see it?

1323
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:23.119
Yeah, yes, I think that makes sense. I'm overthinking this.

1324
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:26.479
Fucking enjoyed it, really enjoyed the central dynamic, couple of

1325
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:28.399
things that I think could have been a little different.

1326
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:31.159
But just a banger, a real banger.

1327
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:36.760
Awesome. Yeah, I'm going to give it a point five.

1328
01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:43.079
You got guards in brown face. Ok.

1329
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.039
I can't believe it. You got me.

1330
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:51.479
You got guards in brown face. It's not excusable.

1331
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:57.399
They know better, sure, sure they should, They should know better.

1332
01:22:57.399 --> 01:22:59.079
I mean the Klingons are still in brown phase.

1333
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:01.680
Yeah, it's bad.

1334
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.520
He's in brown face. You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right.

1335
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:08.279
You Oh but you know what that does make me

1336
01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:08.600
think of?

1337
01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:12.680
But I'm sorry to keep on this. Sure the Klingons

1338
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.319
are in brown face, but also the guards are in

1339
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:19.680
brown face. And you have a Vietnamese right actress who

1340
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:24.840
is clearly playing other yes, even though well clearly playing Egyptian.

1341
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:29.439
And then you have okay, great, so you opened your

1342
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:34.840
casting base wonderful for a dynamite performance, an excellent performance

1343
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:42.640
there's no other actors of Vietnamese descent in Los Angeles, none,

1344
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:47.439
none that can stand there and guard a door. You

1345
01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:50.279
had to put some honkeys and brown face.

1346
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:52.359
No, you're absolutely right.

1347
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:57.720
That deserves it, and that makes me a hero.

1348
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:02.960
To its credit, I know that she was playing it

1349
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:06.680
other I perceived it as like you did, less Egyptian,

1350
01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:10.199
more like Greek, right, like almost like were like or

1351
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:15.039
a kind of like I guess I was taking it in.

1352
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:18.560
Of course, it was coming from perspective of a white

1353
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.520
person who's not like living with you know, I'm I'm

1354
01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:25.439
not an Asian person, not a Vietnamese person. But it

1355
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:31.079
did feel very distinctly like it it was she herself

1356
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:34.399
was not being othered like she is like this kind

1357
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:39.520
of foreign type, like foreign coded creature, like they're so

1358
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.039
different from us. But I feel like it didn't rely

1359
01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:44.840
upon that, like do you know what I mean?

1360
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.920
Like I know exactly what you mean, okay, okay, And

1361
01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:52.079
I it doesn't help that she is coded as a

1362
01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:53.119
brute savage.

1363
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:55.319
Yeah it doesn't, it doesn't.

1364
01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:02.239
But also the performance. I really enjoy this episode. But

1365
01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:11.159
also if I'm giving out arbitrary points, look, there's no excuse, nah, man. Sure, now.

1366
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:16.800
We're also, they don't even need to be like, they

1367
01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:21.039
could just be white guys. Yes, I imagine that that

1368
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:25.880
is a planet with people of many skin tones. Yeah,

1369
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:31.800
they could just be white guys. Yeah, black guys even are.

1370
01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:32.880
People you know, like.

1371
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:39.439
Yeah, Delmas, which means thought they probably thought they were

1372
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:42.000
being so cool. They probably thought they're being like, look

1373
01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:42.520
at us.

1374
01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:48.399
Oh for sure, we cast a person that's not white.

1375
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:54.239
Way to go me, Jean Roddenberry, who did it all?

1376
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:56.279
I did it all?

1377
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.880
Even though John Meredith Lucas came back from being showrunner

1378
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.720
to write and direct this episode, and Fred Freiberger, being

1379
01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:07.119
the good guy that he is, was like, yeah, he's good.

1380
01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:08.720
I wanted him to come write.

1381
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:08.920
And direct this.

1382
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:16.439
This episode fantastic, amazing. It was, Yeah, but apparently not

1383
01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:24.680
good enough. As Elana Troyce's Paltry four versus Jedi Crashes eight,

1384
01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:34.840
which means aspen yep Star Wars once the Week, Sure does, that's.

1385
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:41.039
Right, My babies, My babies is established. I hate Star

1386
01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:43.920
Trek so much and I only love Star Wars.

1387
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:45.439
You know who else is our babies?

1388
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:49.159
Do you have children?

1389
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:54.560
Yeah? And I And there are patrons you can go

1390
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:56.920
to Patreon dot com, slash trek Wars pod to get

1391
01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:00.199
early versions of the day of our episodes, extend did

1392
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.680
versions of our episode and comment and stuff like that,

1393
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.039
and you too could join the fine auspices of fine

1394
01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:12.399
faults such as Timbo de Sosa, Kevin Kevin Miller, I

1395
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.840
don't know why I skipped over that, Hidie Rogers, Arizona,

1396
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:20.399
Mark Austin Aaron and lastly, but certainly not leastly Jolty

1397
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.279
partner who composed our I Starship at theme song.

1398
01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:25.680
I did not say anything racist earlier.

1399
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.920
That was a joke, all right.

1400
01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:30.960
Uh.

1401
01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:34.199
If you want to support us on Patreon, help us

1402
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1403
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1404
01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:41.680
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1405
01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:47.319
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1406
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:49.880
our theme song. And by help compose it, I mean

1407
01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:51.479
he composed our theme song.

1408
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:54.319
What time is it? Almost one?

1409
01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:55.159
What am is that?

1410
01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:55.680
What's happening?

1411
01:27:56.279 --> 01:28:02.880
We're getting to actually prime Kenny operating hours. If you

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1419
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:36.039
Nope, nothing from me. It's not even one. I am

1420
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.399
for me, Bry'm sleepy.

1421
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:43.399
Uh have we not heard the chimes of midnight? Yes,

1422
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.800
yes we have. I mean the forts be with you

1423
01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:49.960
and livelong and prosper. HE love you as