Repost: THE ACOLYTE — (Episode 6 - 'Teach⁄Corrupt) Review & Recap

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We need to spot called Avenue Visitor. This is where the fun begins.

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Hello they Hello there, General Kenobi
And that was the disembodied voice of mister

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Michael Soren with us in ghost forced
ghost form. If you're watching, if

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you're listening to this, you know, nothing seems out of sorts for you.

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And then with us as they've been
with us in the past, we

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have Aspen Webster Hello, and Kenny
Madison Hello, Hello, Hello, Hellolah

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Hello, Hello, Hello, John
Lennon Hello, Hello, low down Ringo

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stall Nice. We're so good at
this. So, guys, I I

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have I have a joke for you, asked Man and Kenny. Oh god,

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what did you think? I'm not
in that? No? No,

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no, Yeah, you'll be included
in one of these things. Did you

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hear the Jedi had to update their
internet security at the Temple? Oh?

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I I had not asked been I
had personally, I had not heard of

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this. Someone I mentioned it,
but I didn't think about it. Yeah,

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they used to use your VPN but
it got cracked. Yeah. Wait,

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I have a joke. I have
a joke. I think I can

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do it better then I can.
I think I could do a better joke.

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Video I think I got okay,
okay, right, okay. Why

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did the Jedi Library and from the
High Republic never get lost? Hm?

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I mean that's a good question.
I hadn't, Mike Mark, I hadn't

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really thought about it too intensely.
I mean, it's got to be a

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good organ organization system. Yeah,
I don't know, right, Yeah,

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it's because she always used the Dewey
desist system. There's so many crickets.

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I gotta get him out of here. It's the summer, not not to

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hop, not to hop in here
with another joke, but I actually have

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a third joke. Three God,
three there is in comedy always three.

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There are no more, no less
the power of many. What is your's

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favorite dance? Poor yard being dead? I'm sorry, thriller the thriller dance?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, that's neither one of those.

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Uh your's favorite dance? The twist
horrifect truly horrific, truly horrific. Yeah.

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So now they got all is Yord
jokes out of the way. Rip.

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Yeah, and Gustavo, that's what
that's what they said. Thanks,

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yeah, thanks, What did you
just walk into you know? You did

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you know you walk you know?
Yes, So this this week, we

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were talking about the sixth episode of
The Acolyte, which is called to Teach

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slash Corrupt. Now, the first
thing with this is that it kind of

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throws off everyone's theory that like the
show is going to be like a mirror

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how it was set up, because
they were thinking that this one would have

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been like the mirror of the Destiny
episode and that the last episodes would be

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like these whatever slash whatever. But
this is this is actually good to know

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because I just want to say I
have literally avoided every bit of theorizing and

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commentary on the show until just like
last week and this week, and the

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only commentary I have consumed is just
absolute rabid adoration of Manny. Just Manny

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just sent out a nuclear level.
Nuclear level is demonstrating cocktails, Oh my

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god, like cocktail. Yeah,
but if like the Molotov cocktail was a

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nuclear explosion, like if you threw
it into a building and that building was

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me, and then I wasn't mush
club and someone yelled portals as they did

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it, portles, my god,
not till I get us off track.

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But I just needed to be clear
about that. I had no idea.

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I just was like all the commentary
is just all about how they should kiss,

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right right right? Yeah, right, Well, what were your overall

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thoughts of this episode before we start
breaking it down into more of my new

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details, mostly about you know,
many Jacinto in the episode, but overall

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the episode, what did you think
about it? Who should go first?

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You should go first? Asmen.
Current fan theory is they should kiss.

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Thank you so much, Yes,
I will go first. Let me tell

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you about how I feel. Let
me tell you about how I feel.

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I have never I have not felt
this way about a Star Wars property in

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so long. I've not felt this
intense, and I blame it fully upon

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this wild, beautiful, full like
female gaze oriented structure of this In the

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way that they're interacting with each other. There is a fire here and it

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started, of course, in the
last episode, and it has only grown

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in this episode. It was absolutely
smoldering, like every moment, every touch

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was like Regency esque, and it
very much reminded me very strongly of why

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people shipped Kylo, Ren and Ray
so much, especially when it comes to

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like like when do you think of
that scene where they're like kind of like

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connecting over space and time and I
feel like there's even a reference in them

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this of a forced diad diad,
So we're kind of on the same page.

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Sorry, I loved this. I
finished this episode and was like,

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I'm just gonna I just want to
watch it all again. I'm having a

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great time. I'm so excited to
talk about this because I love this show

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so much. I'm losing it.
So we got more to say in terms

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of like specifics. But I need
you to understand that I am all in.

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I am all in. Apparently all
Star Wars has needed. It was

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a lesbian to be a showrunner.
And actually who's clearly like understands like intense

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connection. So that's how I feel. Other people can disagree, but I

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don't care. Thank you. I
mean, I'm on page due the last

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time when we yelled about Ahsoka,
I'm so I think I would have killed

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someone. Yeah. No, this
is this is what I want from my

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Star Wars. And it seems like
it's pushing it into new Tonal directions that

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just haven't been seen before. It's
dancing with episode three, I think my

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favorite episode of the season so far. It's dancing into areas that are new

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for me. And then it's also
dancing like it's just touching the ceiling of

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being like extremely earnest, if not
camp and that was very exciting for you

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to just be straight up weird.
I think it's pulled back from that just

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a little bit, but it's still
with these past two episodes and Manny Jacinto

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just completely Aspina and I talk not
on podcasts because we're friends. We are

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friends. We're friends, and I
believe I texted you Aspen, Sorry Arizona,

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Mark, Uh sorry Mark and Mike. I guess uh that if this

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wasn't like a Star Wars show,
or if this wasn't a franchise show,

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if this was something like had just
been dropped on Netflix as some sort of

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high fantasy young adult thing that had
gotten the szeitgeist on Netflix, Manny Jacinto

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like people would be sitting up and
taking notice and putting Manny Jacento in things

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because I think it is an outstanding
and thing nuanced, complex performance and it

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is really great. Listen. If
Twitter has anything to say about it,

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it's it is a starmaking performance.
Yeah, I really do think so.

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Slindberg Nope, saying her name wrong, Amand yes, yes she's doing she's

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doing great. Work as well,
and not uh there to be some serious

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parent trapping in here. Incredible.
We'll get into that later. I'm just

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liking the vibes are so good and
also watching I've only watched the episode once,

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and I say that because I'm excited
to reapproach this episode. They are

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cowards, I have to tell you. Yeah, so the comment that just

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came up as their cowards for not
showing Manny's ass on when you like dropped

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tis robe. I almost thought they
would like, is this the Mike Mike

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coming to us from a porta potty
right now? At least it's contained,

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it smells the same. Uh,
yeah, I don't know, because I

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mean Disney Plus does have you know, like the since they added you know,

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like the Netflix, like like Marvel
shows on there. And yeah,

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I just watched both Deadpools last night, So the possibility of putting butts into

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Star Wars the Acolyte is very high
as well as many just said too looking

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up the screen and going can you
believe I'm in a Star Wars? Yeah?

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And you know what's kind of cool
is that if people have watched The

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Good Place now, both pill Boy
and Jason Mendoza are both in the Star

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Wars you verse. Yeah, now
we got to get William Jackson Harper to

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be a sexy bad guy too.
Ord and tsc Car also from The Good

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Place, is in rebels because she's
Sabine. Oh yeah, right, exactly

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did you not know that, kiddy? I don't know anything about Star Wars

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and the documentary that's being that has
being, you know, like released and

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limited released, uh is produced by
Darcy Carden. Hey, everyone's girlfriend not

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a robot. She's not a robot. It's not a girl. Yeah,

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not a girl, not a robot. You had a Yeah, that's real

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non binary representation right there. I
don't want everybody to know. It's beautiful,

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which is even which is even good
as like a layered joke tonsidering that

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she's a robot. So, but
the binary joke that wedges itself in there

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because of that, I was on
purpose and totally that's what I'm smart.

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Nice, you are smart. That's
dream. I didn't think that. Okay,

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no, sorry, but I am
smart, thank you. Yeah,

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I mean, I know, I
think at least for a lot of people,

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maybe The Good Place was the first
place that a lot of people kind

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of had managed sinto brought to their
attention in that show, I know,

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at least for I think for I
think it was more or less his first

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like like big kind of thing that
he did. For sure. Yes,

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you know it's funny too. So
I can't remember the name of the movie.

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I'm gonna look it up, but
I remember I watched it and he

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was It's he Might Be and I
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Back is with Jenny Slat and Charlie
Day and he's in that movie and I'm

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at, yes, exactly, And
there's a scene in that where it's like

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Jenny Slay's trying to like have a
threesome with like him, and he's,

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you know, he's shirtless, and
people have been talking about like, oh,

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don't you understand, like he's been
this hot all along, which I

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agree, But there is still a
difference in that show, where he is

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objectively attractive and very very hot,
in his hair is longer. There is

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still a difference between the way he
is represented in that kind of that kind

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of film versus the way he's represented
in this show, which I will love

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to go into more detail on about
like this idea of the female gaze and

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the way that he is like being
presented as this sort of character that's he's

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like not pathetic, but like a
little pathetic, but right on the edge,

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you know, that kind of oh
my god. Like it's like he's

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like a wet He's just like a
wet boy, you know. And there's

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like a like a even boy.
He's a wet boy. And UH like

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the uh. And so I read
a quote too from Leslie Heblin talking about

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like in his for his uh,
when he auditioned for it, he was

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the one that brought the most empathy
to the role. And so there's you

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can feel there's a real difference,
and it's like, yeah, he's objectively

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hot, but he's like something else
here. And I promise I will not

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go on about this, but I
do think that there is something very important

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to be explored here. I'm also
interested in, Uh. I'm also interested

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in a male gaze versus female gas, not that it necessarily has to be

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a binary discussion, but the way
that the female case is employed and the

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way that I understand it and my
rudimentary understanding of it. But the female

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gaze, uh is, where's the
male gaze looking at a man being sexy

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is like, look at how strong
this man is, look at how incredible

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this man is, and the female
gays. There's a lot of texture,

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there's a lot of feeling. It's
not necessarily looking at it through displays of

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strength. Am I am I crazy
asspen am I? Chris? No,

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let me just add more color to
that. Which is that one? It's

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not. I would actually say it's
not particularly binaryly defined like I think it

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might be, so we don't have
to worry about it being like it's from

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always our girls. But yeah,
I think that's a very strong way to

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put it. In the female gaze. Also, a show like this particularly

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you often have it's centering the experiences
of female or fem characters, and they

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have agency and we are able to
see it through their eyes, and so

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any kind of the attraction itself like
you are talking about, is coming.

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Yeah, it's it's less so of
like an alpha male strength of like uh

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of that might for instance, take
away that agency, and it's more of

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like a compliment to it. And
so yes, it has to do with

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what are the things that might be
attractive beyond just appearance, And it's in

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these like there's a little like like
An example of a moment from this episode

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is like, just the way he
looks at her is actually wild, right,

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it could if he could do a
demonstration of how of how okay,

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let me second exterior planet. Genuinely, he was doing this like turnhead thing.

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He did it the first time he
saw her too, and he was

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just like, you look so much
like her, and I was just like,

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oh my god, what is happening? I can tell even then.

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But yeah, it has to do
with agency, and it has to do

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with like the pow, like what
the choices I think female characters get to

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have when it comes to the attraction
and of other characters. And it doesn't

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have to be necessarily about men.
It could be about just in general.

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I think it's a very queer reading
on attraction, which doesn't surprise me given

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the showrunner. And so what does
that mean? I think a lot of

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times will we uh the way that
we often characterize what is there, like

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say a male female relationship or a
romance just in general? Does I feel

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like deal in it's very normative and
it's understanding of say, like what is

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a masculine characteristics and what are feminine
characteristics? And it's like again that sort

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of domination or what you might see
kind of in typical shows. And I

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think from my perspective only speaking for
me, I think a queer reading does

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have to do with like the ways
that you were breaking out of that gender

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normative normativity of that what is attractive
to each person, and it does have

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to do with like these moments like
this kind of sizzling like quiet or and

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you know, if you were to
watch a like let's take a very queer

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film, like a portrait of a
lady on fire like that, it's like

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it's just as ah is that queer
YEP. I kind of just watched the

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first ten minutes and I was like, I think I get it, and

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then I rank it on letterbox exactly
like it's like the there's like little moments

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of just like the way that they
are gentle touches or like the I get

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in the sort of subtlety of just
like the way that a portrait is literally

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created of it like that is the
romance that is the wooing. It's not

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like about a power piece. And
so I think that's what's going on here.

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the context of the seduction of the

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dark Side, which has never seemed
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I've never actually seen it truly appealing
until this moment. It's literally has the

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seduction of the dark side. Yes
it is, Yeah, I mean exactly

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like I'm now, I'm like,
I get it. I get the seedction

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of this excite and then in this
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all of these feelings that has and
now there's a character who was like,

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that's you. And it is this
fine line of as we've seen it portrayed

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in Star Wars before, it being
like, ah ah, that's you give

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in to your as opposed to maybe
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like, that's that's part of you. I'm acknowledging it. But there's also

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this seductive part just exactly what you're
saying, which is just like, let

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me pull out that so you can
be just a little bad, just a

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little bad. There's also something really
sexy about a genuine like diad. I

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thought I thought that the the you
know, the last time has happened was

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Last Jedi, the good movie,
Mark Movie, Mark My, Mark My.

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You're on a podcast called The Holdo
Maneuver. I can't believe that you

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just poo poo on the last Jedi. Can't believe I mean, obviously the

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Star Wars Holiday Special is better than
the Last Jedi. I mean that's what

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That's what the Mark Imperial March Madness
ranking said, and that's everything that people

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say on the internet about Star Wars
is true. We are having a bad

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time, but we're not going to
talk about that. You you had sent

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a text earlier that like you're talking
about this all this like the heteronormativity stuff

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about like manages into and you're like, I need someone to talk to about

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manages into being hot. And I
was like, well, I think even

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heterosexual dudes can can agree that he's
a he's a good looking dude. That's

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not it's like not like a yes, it's not like you're the active thing.

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He just his. He just is. And you're right too, But

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I think that's also what we're talking
talking about here, and that it like

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actually is not necessary, like you
can actually feel like you can feel this

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dynamic like regardless of like orientation or
gender expression, Like it's just like you're

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literally like I can feel that connection. And you're right, it's like objective,

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which could be interesting within I mean
the thematic thing of the fact that

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this show is basically screaming. It's
not there's no good side, there's no

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bad side. There are no such
thing as binaries. The force exists on

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a spectrum. Yeah. And also
your main actor is like a Mendeli Stenberg

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is a non binary person. So
I'm just butt. I was out there

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the accolite rules. You know,
who else is also non binary? Is

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who is non binary? Because he's
because he's a a little because he's a

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droid. But Pip's a bad droid. Oh you just got he said to

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his factory setting, which was only
it's red eyes, just you know,

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like three po head red eyes and
the masterpiece that is Rise of Skywalker.

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Everyone mouse, Uh, that's what
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for DRDs having a bad time.
I liked that. To reset it to

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factory settings, it was basically like
the same thing as you have to hit

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like the iPhone. He's like,
yeah, so I was like, oh,

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Pip is just an iPhone. I
did enjoy watching Basil trying to find

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the right port to recharge Pip.
That was fun. It would have been

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funnier if he put it this way
first and then that didn't work, and

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then did it this way and that
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and it's like, oh, it
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Yeah, Basil, he's just like
us. Yeah, and just another demonstration

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of the way that you can be
attractive, uh little little tiny boys.

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Yeah. True. I think we
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I mean it's called otters, so
I mean, there you go.

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It's great to see auto representation.
Now he'd be a little freak in the

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bedroom because he's always just gone a
little hero. He's a little hero.

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Mark. I'm so sick of you
screaming that he's not a hero. Mike.

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You're hating on the last Jedi and
being likes is not a hero.

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I can't believe this. You're like, bring back the male gaze. Yeah,

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yes, what I what I didn't
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my Mark impression. By the way, what I didn't like about this is

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that it wasn't a forty five minute
gay parade. Here's my impression of Mike.

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I'm in a border body for my
key kid. It's not here to

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defend. Do you like us?
Do you guys like us anymore? Do

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you like us? Yeah? Are
we smart and handsome? Are we here?

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Thank you? It's very nice of
you. Sorry. You also like

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have a structure for your podcast.
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shape of Shure. Yeah, why
couldn't this be a forty parade? I

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mean it kind of is. I
I've just spent all day being like,

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I cannot wait to like go haym
on this. Yeah. We always look

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forward to the episodes that you guys
come on as guests. So well,

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I knew this is like the prologue
to the episode and we'll we'll we'll get

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to the structure later. But one
of the things later, one of the

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things that was, uh, the
regiment is the shape of show, shape

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of show. I wish I had
an applause button, but I got no

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soundboard here, oh man from yeah, yeah, this is we don't have.

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We don't have a clapping one because
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against our Jedi religion. You just
have your crickets, but I don't.

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I don't know if y'all have this
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there is almost this seems like such
a severe word, but it's true a

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religious fervor for myself of being like
I want Star Wars to be a very

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certain way, and I bounce,
I can bounce against it. Case in

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point, listen to our Ahsoka whenever
popped up here on Ahsoka, and I

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was just like, this is a
bad direction for Star Wars, and so

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I have still not recovered, and
so naturally they promoted Dave Filoni the Chief

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creative Officer after Ahsoka. But and
then I don't think that I've watched any

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of the other TV shows, just
because I'm genuinely saving them for later Trek

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Wars episodes aspen. But then watching
this this app so it's pretty excited for

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the accolyte. And then watching watching
this episode, I was like, cool,

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we're in good hands. And this
certainly isn't a perfect show. I

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think this is a good show,
not like a capital G great show,

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like and or, but also not
though yes, what a cursive G great

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show. It's I enjoy it.
I enjoy it for what it is,

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which is fun Star Wars adventures.
It's light, there's interesting things, it's

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light. It's light. Thank you. This is the first time I've ever

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seen a Star Wars show where they
actually killed people. It's super light,

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so they just kill people. It's
fine. They kill people because they like

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they're not cowards. They're like,
listen, hey, this happens. People

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die, and now we're going to
feel confused about like what it is.

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So the first show, this is
like except for Clone Wars. Well,

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people do die in Clone Wars.
The Clone Wars, all of them.

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Clone Wars, it rebels to but
like, this is a significant thing,

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and I think it happens in Clone
Wars. But in this this is also

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the first time I've ever really seen
them delve into the idea that like the

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Jedi are cops and and like a
cab but like ajac wait, all Jedi

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a jab a jab, which to
me, so I hear what you are

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saying, because you're talking about like
the tone, like the camp, the

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camp of it, because it does
still feel very actually feels very Star Wars

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in a way that like maybe like
tone wise didn't quite have with like and

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or, But in terms of like
actual actual steaks, it's felt like actually

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some of the highest steaks personally.
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M A u l so you keep
putting these like fun little things in the

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bottom and for like an audio I
have audio medium, I feel like I

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have to read them out loud.
All Jedi are banthapoodu? Yes a jap

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What was that? What was that? No? Say, like many jacento

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and chat, you have to have
hair kind of going over here your eye.

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I gotta be a wet boy.
I miss I miss hair ja Anyway,

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Sorry, I didn't mean. I
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I meant to disagree with you totally
and holy with all of my soul.

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Yeah. But also I'm fine with
that because I think just through this

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discussion, it's great to hear other
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makes my watching of the show all
the better. It's great. I love

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it. Sorry, Sorry, Mark
and Mike. So do you guys like

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a show? Do you like it? Do you like the show? Welcome

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to this episode of Track Wars.
So yeah. In this episode that teach

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corrupt uh. This one was written
by uh Leslie Headland to the the showrunner

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My Girl. This one has tantalizing
glimpses into key characters, secrets, and

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some quote frustratingly slow plot developments in
this episode. Soul's almost confession, Ocean's

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dark sye temptation, Ernestra's senate troubles
make up the episode's core, but it's

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manages sentto the seductive stranger that steals
the show. This is beautiful. Disagree

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on slow plot, but beautifully written. Yeah. I could just sit in

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a lot of that quiet forever.
I agree. But I am with you,

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and I'm like, I need Soul
to just talk and say that thing,

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sir. It's like, I have
to wait until we get to the

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episode that is the flashback, right, So I say it's it's so true

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and an improv idiot because Aspa and
I do improv. Oh my god,

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we're like improvisers. Oh my gosh. H But I think everyone that is

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watching The Acolyte knows that something is
up. And there's a difference between having

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some tension that is really challenging you
as opposed to this kind of narrative tension,

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which is just like what you're you're
being deliberately up to because there's a

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structure to the show that you're trying
to adhere to, as opposed to you

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just allow whatever you think that twist
is gonna be which is going to definitely

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be like solid. The Jedi are
responsible for destroying the Witch. Yeah,

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I mean my guess is Base at
the fire, yeah or something, and

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then you just blame it on May
because they want they they wanted the power

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of two, but they have to
settle for power three. Per three is

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the magic number powerful. The magic
number one is the loneliest number that you'll

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ever do. Uh two can be
as satis one? Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, I think that is probably
a one point, and that is a

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point. I do agree with you
on that. Like if fists were an

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improvsio, I'd be like, just
say the thing, yeah, just blow

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through it, and then you can
have different kinds of character tension as opposed

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to what this is, which is
everyone watching this show knows that you're holding

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on to it because you have to
have some sort of emotional backbone towards the

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end. Yeah. Right, Actually, I keep forgetting those eight episodes.

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I thought this was going to be
the finale and I was just like,

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wait, there's more, so,
oh, this is what happens. I

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just like I'm trying to like just
be in the moment with this ship.

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So yes, Okay, Well,
it's that religious forever thing of watching it,

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like whenever I watch a Star Wars
movie except for Rise of Skywalker,

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but last Jedi had to watch it
twice because there's my expectation and then there's

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watching it for exactly what it is, because it's Star Wars and it's hard

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to let go of what you want
it to be versus just accepting it as

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it is. That's true, Mark, Is this what you wanted to be?

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Did you want this? I so
I hadn't like watched or read any

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of the High Republic stuff, so
like, this show is completely like new

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ground for me, so I was
completely open to like whatever it was going

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to be in it. So I've
I've liked what it was. I thought

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maybe it was gonna be even like
more radically different than than other like other

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shows that we've gotten. But I
guess not, because, like I mean,

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it has to still fit into like
like this core kind of like core

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kind of I don't know what I'm
trying to say, like vibe, I

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guess vibe or to me if you
can hear me, Yeah, yes,

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I'm out of the incredible great job. Did everything come out? Okay?

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Now I was hitting this also your
storm Cooper. That's right. It's just

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there's there're canonizing things that weren't cannon, So it's that's what I might take

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on it. There's lots of stuff
that wasn't considered cannon until now. And

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wait, this is coming through.
All I heard was that you were out

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of the porta potty and you said
something about your butt hurting, and then

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something about cannon cannon but hurts.
You know, I have to go right

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there. Yeah, actually, can
you can you say more about that?

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I think I I think I know
what you're referring to. Yeah, let

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me just get to my computer.
You've been on a journey, we've both

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we've been over here just like talking
about like the female gays and hot Nanny,

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and you've been like fighting for your
life. Incredible because I think my

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guess is it's it has to do
with like the like things like the metal

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of his helmet, which can like
short out uh can short out lightsabers?

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like that's something that might have actually been

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in the extended universe and is yeah, brought up and kind of canonized in

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this effectively, we see that the
vein of it like in the wall there.

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Oh yeah, I thought that's what
it might be, which it was

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good visual storytelling. She looked at
it. Then she looked at the wall

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and I went, okay, I
guess you know what Osha also probably appreciated

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seeing us her name's Osha. Is
that is that he had that that railing

404
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.199
there? Yeah, yeah, very
help with people like you know, like

405
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.760
slipping on the job or like falling
off into the ocean. It did distract

406
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.360
me whenever the show stopped for twenty
minutes, and so Osha could just like

407
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.440
grab onto every railing and just kind
of be like, yeah, yeah,

408
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:36.480
is it stable compliant names, Yeah, I have to do this. That

409
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.360
railing from Force Awakens wouldn't have passed
ocean regulations. I gotta tell you.

410
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:45.079
Oh it was like which one gotcha? You know? The one the railing

411
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.039
It makes more sense than the one
in riven Dell. That was hobbit height.

412
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.079
That is cute and funny, and
I had not thought of that in

413
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.559
years. They're in Rivendale and it's
like, yeah, like it's like if

414
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.320
you imagine, they're all really short, right, so what's this little like

415
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.840
hobbit height, this like short rail? Ain gonna do for the Alves who

416
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.639
are all like sixty gonna it's gonna
be a tripping hazard, is what it's

417
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:15.639
gonna be, if they're six feet
tall. Genuinely, I hadn't thought about

418
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:21.440
that any year. Speaking of the
female gays, am I right? Everybody

419
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:34.280
boring kicked me out? Yeah?
Oh, Kenny, you are next to

420
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:42.000
Manny and I'm jealousy. Wait let
me do. Let I do the look

421
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:55.119
at him. There you go.
I'm going for audio medium. Do you

422
00:37:55.400 --> 00:38:04.119
like us? What's not to like? Kah? Oh wow, We're fine.

423
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.840
Do you hear that we're flying?
Sorry, we'll get back on track.

424
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:12.719
Mike's back, Mike's free. Yeah, Uh, I don't know.

425
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.360
Yeah, so I don't know.
We can we can kind of go by

426
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.920
like character if you want, uh, since we were talking about souls like

427
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.239
near confession, if you want to, if you want to talk like about

428
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:28.159
like sauls like coal interaction, and
because that's kind of how the episode was.

429
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.400
Segment today was it was like Saul
on the ship with Mays Venestra and

430
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:38.920
her investigation, and then it was
OSHA's semptation with the Keemar. They're on

431
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:45.679
unknown planet, unknown planet, which
I'm assuming I think it's OK too.

432
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.559
Maybe that's what it feels like,
which I was I would adore and I

433
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.280
thought I heard, uh the porks, but then it used and then but

434
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.840
then it's what Mike affectionately calls I
was gonna let you say it, Mike,

435
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.119
Michael, your muting. I thought
I was testical monsters, I said,

436
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.119
like three times, but out needed
I having so much fun. Then

437
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.280
you know it's been your computer was
like your computer knew what you were going

438
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.960
to say, so it was like, no, I'm gonna mute you saying

439
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:29.960
testical monsters aka testical monsters asthotechnically too
much fun with the man he's just into

440
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:42.719
overlays out there. It's great content. Yeah, just like GISs there there

441
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.159
are for what it's for. The
little testal monsters are so cute, genuinely

442
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:52.039
making sweet little noises. I don't
yeah, I don't know if I think

443
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.000
it would work for me if it
were, because it kind of provide some

444
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.880
context of what this place as like
a sacred place would mean and starts to

445
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:07.960
muddy to the waters of like the
type of power that the Jedi like a

446
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.320
lot of what they're dealing with.
What he's talking about in this episode is

447
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.480
like who is who has the power
and who was allowed to wield that power?

448
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.000
And ostensibly it's like, well this
guy should be able to write he's

449
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.360
a bad deep right, But we
also have the other examples of the witches

450
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:30.119
effectively who they like, they also
are not really it's not really like it's

451
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.199
frowned on for them to have that
power, so it really it only gets

452
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:39.360
to be held by this one group
of people. So connections to like October,

453
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.360
like that would be interesting to say, who gets to own like a

454
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.559
sacred space, so that would be
something, Yeah, the sacred text or

455
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.400
even and even if it's not the
same place, the very fact that there

456
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.639
could be like a connection at all, like even visually or I gave her

457
00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:02.119
half earlier, you know, incredible, So sorry, I go on rants

458
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.119
and then you make me big so
I appreciate it. But she said,

459
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:15.000
but yeah, I but I am
with you. But to go back to

460
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.519
the soul piece that but I think
that ties to it, right of course,

461
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.800
it's like who but you know,
who is allowed to wield this power?

462
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.440
Are they objectively good wielders of the
power? What does that mean?

463
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:38.920
So yeah, now like with with
the whole thing, with with saul On

464
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:45.320
on the ship there too. It's
like I did feel like, like how

465
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.920
where it's like cutting back to that, Like I feel like that's maybe the

466
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:54.440
B plotline of this episode or is
like the like the Osha Kumar is definitely

467
00:41:54.440 --> 00:42:00.199
like the A the A plot and
then maybe like the Vnestra stuff, the

468
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:06.239
sea plot of the episode as far
as like like teering like what is of

469
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:14.159
importance in this just because like it's
like I'm just not sure like exactly what

470
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:22.840
with at least with me, like
what her plan was on the ship there

471
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:28.480
with with Soca's like at one point
like she was going to like seemingly stab

472
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.760
him. It seems like yeah,
and then didn't just because he asked her

473
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.960
to do something as if she was
osha ah, but so I was like

474
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.519
what, like what are you what? What do you want to do me?

475
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:50.480
And this feels more like the limitations
of the streaming episode format mm HM

476
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:58.119
as trying to be It's one big
movie as opposed to like delivering holy episodic

477
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:05.920
things were the care our being to
the top of their intelligence, it feels

478
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.199
it felt weird. Whatever may was, like all of this murder stuff,

479
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.760
I can just throw this away.
That's fine, I can reach out to

480
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:21.440
my sister. Osha did she decides
to parent trap May or so, yeah,

481
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:30.440
decides to parent trap Osha impersonates her
sister. They switch spots, I'm

482
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.519
assuming because May wants to teach Osha
that it's all more complicated than it actually

483
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.679
is. But then May also wants
to kill Soul again, even though made

484
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:45.039
a huge emotional elape by saying,
I don't think that I need to kill

485
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:53.039
all of these people anymore. It's
it's inconsistent. But maybe they'll explain it

486
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.239
in the last two episodes. But
it really just strikes me as I want

487
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.639
a certain thing to happen in order
the plot to get to a certain way.

488
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.840
I mean, I think you actually
explained it itself. Like she I

489
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.159
think now that like she had a
goal, she was going to kill these

490
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.039
people, but she was doing it
for a certain specific reason. It is

491
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.599
now shifted because Osha she now finds
out, oh she's still alive. She

492
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:21.559
was almost killed by this person that
she like her master, that she was

493
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.360
working with, And so I think
it actually would make sense that her parent

494
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.800
trapping them is to kind of get
in. She herself is probably confused by

495
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.760
what she wants now, and she's
frustrated, and so she would be like,

496
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.119
Okay, I'm going to kill him
because of what he's like done to

497
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:45.199
not now, not for because of
this reason, but because of like now

498
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.400
my own frustration of what, like
how he's like brainwashed my sister. So

499
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.079
now it's going to be a more
complicated situation for her, which I'm fine

500
00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.599
with that, But it doesn't feel
like the show is that is textual versus

501
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:07.239
what the show is showing us.
It feels more like plot maneuvering as opposed

502
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:13.760
to a character who is feeling quite
uncertain, especially whenever you couple that with

503
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:20.440
the extremely certain fight in episode one
with the Carry and Moss character that may

504
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:25.639
is a very resolute character, firm
in their belief structure, and then whenever

505
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:31.159
you kill two people and then you
show some uncertain I just wish that was

506
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:36.440
shown a little bit more. Am
I a good person? No, you're

507
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.599
a bad person. No, I'll
take my answer off the here. Yeah,

508
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:47.519
you're not allowed to dislike a show
with a female head writer. Sounds

509
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:58.000
like you're a suckast. I'm just
kidding everyone, it's a joke, But

510
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:06.480
you're sexists, so can he can? He look sad now he changed this

511
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:14.519
little chiron thing to probably sexist again
in audio media. Someone's going to screenshot

512
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:19.599
that and then we'll live on the
internet for the rest. You'll never be

513
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:27.159
president, Okay, he'll never be
president. I mean, well, let's

514
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.039
not sexist, sexist, can't be
president. I don't know what you're talking

515
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:39.199
about. Yis Yeah, No,
I mean, it's it's a it's a

516
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:45.960
fair it's a it is a fair
criticism of like that if this had been

517
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.559
its own kind of like if it
had been a movie versus being able like

518
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:55.639
being pulled out in this way,
I totally understand, I guess I uh,

519
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.599
And I'm feeling I think I'm deep
in it right now, so I

520
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.760
am probably exploring. I'm being from
like from a textual perspective of like the

521
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:10.559
emotional engagement is like what I'm like
riding the high on. So yeah,

522
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.960
and I'm assuming this isn't you,
Mike, because it wasn't I don't know

523
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.760
who this Michael was another Michael.
Maybe there's only seven million of us.

524
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.679
Yeah, uh, but yeah,
Mile, And given time, it is

525
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.320
kind of like interesting, like unless
Saul is just like really playing it up

526
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:37.199
like to May that he thought May
was Osha, but he actually knew it

527
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.840
was made the entire time. And
it's just kind of you know, like

528
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.679
and it doesn't seem like he was
he knew, Yeah, I think it

529
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.000
was. He thought it was Ocean
and because the heat of the moment,

530
00:47:51.159 --> 00:48:00.760
that huge tattoo on her forehead,
and also May used to have I mean

531
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.840
Osha had the short hair. I
mean that's why I also Kimar knew right

532
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:08.840
away that like that was Osha,
because he's like, oh, she's well,

533
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:15.079
the tattoo on the bread, she
very well. She she muland she

534
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:22.800
milander her hair and and like purposely
it covers it. It covers everything.

535
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.639
So I don't think there was any
like seeing, Like I don't think you

536
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.400
could see any of the tattoos.
What maybe what was more interesting to me

537
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.320
was that he wouldn't have sensed it. But that's what I was going to

538
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.000
say. Yeah, but I'm I'm
coming from the like I am that the

539
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:44.760
like uh non like you know my
interpretation of the thing, which is he's

540
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:50.039
it's a it's a sole problem that
he's actually so emotionally like distraught that he

541
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.400
can't actually like be centered enough to
be present, to have that, you

542
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.039
know, to be able to tap
into that were speaking of that Lee young

543
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.280
Ja did an amazing job and that
that scene where he like goes down to

544
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:07.840
check on like the settings in that
scene and it's like there's like no spoken

545
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.199
like like words on script there at
all, but it's just like just all

546
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:19.960
him face acting and you can just
see like how like physically and like emotionally

547
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:28.440
distraught he is. That that like
base basically his entire team's got a different

548
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:36.000
planet. Yeah, but like but
it's yeah, like I want to know.

549
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.760
It's like interesting that like seemingly he
has been, like I guess,

550
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.960
the most well adjusted with whatever happened. He's the best, or at least

551
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.159
the the best at outwardly projecting that
he's okay as compared to Kalnaka and you

552
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:59.440
know, uh, the the middle
Lanister kid. That That's what he does

553
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:01.519
on shows is that he takes himself
out, whether it's through a window or

554
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:08.320
through poison and then carry Anne Moss
getting taken out by force forced food ironically

555
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:14.480
from the the force Matrix. Well
that wasn't what took her out. The

556
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:22.800
knife took her out. But I
mean be careful. That's why. That's

557
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.840
why when you fill the dishwash,
you put the sharp stuff pointed out right.

558
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.599
I would also argue a child took
her out, just like in it,

559
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.920
you know, just like distraction by
child. It's just the guy.

560
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:44.079
It was just the guy. That'll
happen, that's very much so m yeah,

561
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:50.039
but he was. His performance is
pretty extraordinary, like I might have

562
00:50:50.119 --> 00:51:00.639
an evil twin. I don't know, oh uh so like because I want

563
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.159
to focus on the ocean one last, I think, but like the so

564
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.960
there's like finestrous whole investigation, which
that that was kind of interesting too,

565
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:13.679
is I'm not what was the dude's
name was like og or something the like

566
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.719
the the very like posh English sounding
it's gonna say the little British boy,

567
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:24.199
the little British boy. Like at
first, like all the people that were

568
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.440
with her, they were like kind
of I didn't know if this was gonna

569
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.760
be like some kind of like weird
like double cross thing or like this group

570
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:36.719
of like Jedi that was going with
her were like somehow like these like rogue

571
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.719
agents for like Keemar or something like
that, because they kept or at least

572
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.760
I don't know if I just manifested
this and saw it weird where it's like

573
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:51.679
it looked like they were giving her
like weird looks like about certain stuff like

574
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:53.840
or like to each other, like
about like what she was saying, like

575
00:51:54.199 --> 00:52:00.480
do you guys see it? No
one that she had allowed them or sent

576
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.440
them to go, And so she
was like ship this happened, and like

577
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.159
I'm the one who like sent them
out there. And also she gets sick

578
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:15.039
on trips. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't get sick.

579
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:22.519
I just don't find them appealing.
Yes, it was very funny. That

580
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.559
was my my take on it.
Right, I will say I don't trust

581
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:31.960
that bitch she like I just I
just got up. I'm just gonna pull

582
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.239
this out there. I'm just going
to pull this out. This is not

583
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.599
an original thought. This is the
Twitter. But like she has a red

584
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:49.320
whip lightsaber and that scar on his
back looks very whip like just gonna throw

585
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:55.199
that out there. I don't like
that. I don't like that. I

586
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.480
don't feel like that's from anything that
like that that happen in the Kimar.

587
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.440
I feel just like he's just kind
of like into stuff like that. I

588
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:08.360
mean, who's the why why you
got a kingsmar let him, let him

589
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:14.119
live his best life. Sorry,
you're right, how could I? How

590
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:22.119
could I? My sweet prince,
my sweet dog prince. It definitely seems

591
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.599
like he would be like, I
don't know, just like he just comes

592
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:34.719
straight out of the that that pool
later on care just just full lightsaber on

593
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:42.880
display. God, Kenny, I
feel like your face is like, I

594
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.320
can't, I can't engage in this. I'm trying to Steve Harvey right now.

595
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.760
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
sorry, and not to like just

596
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.840
assuming that water's warm too, because
he wasn't worried about I didn't. I

597
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:02.119
did think about that from a productions
standpoint of being like is that water warm

598
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:06.599
for Manny Giacento or is he having
a sta It looks like a hot spring.

599
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.599
You're hot spring, yeah, Mike, you're you call your hotspring?

600
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:23.360
Oh my gosh, why are there
Why are there too many Gacento's on screen

601
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:30.840
down in the bottom. Also,
I just want to call out the little

602
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.920
line where he's like, if you're
not going to join me? Like what

603
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.400
do he say, like, if
you're not going to join me, like

604
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:38.599
at least do something. I was
just like, if you're not going to

605
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:45.360
join me? I'm just gonna Yeah. I was like, what, Oh

606
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.360
my gosh, I'm telling y'all,
I have never No, I've not never,

607
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.920
I've well, I have not seen
the internet this barrel since ray Loo.

608
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:59.320
So we're having a great time.
I want the follow through anyway.

609
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:04.480
Anyway, anyway, really really quick
to close out the Venestra stuff. Uh.

610
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:09.440
What I thought was interesting about that
one too, is like we get

611
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:15.760
like these uh kind of like quick
shots of Jackie and you're there too,

612
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:22.239
And I was like, oh man, that's just that's just just making me

613
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.239
sad, just doing that really close
enough of Jackie's face. Yeah, well

614
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:30.960
this is a light show. Yeah, and get in the recap too.

615
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.199
It's like, yeah, they were
going to leave them there, like they

616
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.159
had no intention of getting them.
Yeah. I was happy when I when

617
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:43.239
I heard Vanester say, make sure
that we get them prepared for like a

618
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.360
proper burial off, Like good.
I don't want Jickie just decomposing in the

619
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.239
forest of Cofar. Oh you know, they're just gonna light them on fire.

620
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.400
I mean that's better than just that's
better than just decomposing in front of

621
00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:02.440
kel Knaka's hut. He's decomposing with
them good. Imagine late light him on

622
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:08.280
fire. All that burnt hair?
Gross? Oh no, have you ever

623
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.639
had your hair burn? Yeah?
What? Me and Kenny don't have hair.

624
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.159
So actually, that's why. That's
that's our that's our backstory. That's

625
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.239
why. What. Yeah, one
time I was like standing too close to

626
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.559
a candle and I was like,
what's that smell? And my hair had

627
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:32.360
caught on fire. It's the worst
smell there is so a hundred yeah,

628
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:38.119
never have that. I feel just
to go back. I feel like Vernestra

629
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:44.039
is just trying to clean things up
because the Jedi have an image to protect.

630
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:52.960
That's what I see the politician of
the group and a certain way because

631
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:58.320
she doesn't want well, we know
that there's some senator that's grabbing for power

632
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:07.119
that is not Jedi friendly. M
Palpatine returns, uh please, God was

633
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.440
born. Yeah, yeah, it's
a baby. It's a baby Palpatine.

634
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:19.679
Baby she baby she Hello. Everyone
everyone went crazy for for baby Yoda,

635
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:25.440
okay, Grogu until they see little
wrinkly baby sheaf baby sheep. Oh my

636
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:35.519
god, you know what his fresh
words were? Do do it? I

637
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:43.079
just I just no no, oh, don't make me like a baby.

638
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.159
She if you if you could go
back in time when you take out baby

639
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:53.400
she yeah, yeah, yeah,
and it would be super light and family

640
00:57:53.480 --> 00:58:07.960
friendly, just like a can'ty vibe. Oh Man Palpatini tiny uh yeah.

641
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:15.239
Now I didn't notice that this mm
hmm. I not our Michael, but

642
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:23.119
this Michael said that she had kicked
Vanessa had kicked one of the the Jedi

643
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:29.400
when she was walking around the But
I've seen I've seen other people talking about

644
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.119
that. I didn't notice that,
though. Did any of the three of

645
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.519
you see that? Vaguely saw her
do something to one of them, but

646
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.000
I don't know if it was a
kick more of a like pick up with

647
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:45.039
your slip. Well, listen,
if Michael saw it. Michael agrees with

648
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.599
me about her being a bad day, so I believe him. Any member

649
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:58.239
of Devot can't be good. Oh
my, she whipped it good? Got

650
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:06.719
it? Yeah? No, I
mean for sure. It is interesting because

651
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.760
that the whip is actually I mean
her her like machinations, and I don't

652
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.159
mean that in like an actual bad
connotation way, Like she is having to

653
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:22.760
negotiate what they as effectively a lobbying
political crew, have to like negotiate,

654
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.639
which is why it is an interesting
complex thing to be like, there is

655
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.639
not just like what is a good
and a bad? Here? Like you

656
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.360
could have a light side, but
what is it when it is institutionalized?

657
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:40.039
Right? And what if like and
a bad? But like so and so.

658
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:45.679
I even if she is representing that
faction, I'm sure I still feel

659
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.519
like she's probably a little bit of
an even more of a baddie. But

660
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:52.440
that in and of itself, right, is an interesting gray area. Yeah.

661
00:59:52.800 --> 01:00:00.800
Yeah, and the like the thing
that like going to to Osha and

662
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.480
keymar is keymar Actually even his name
does it matter? I feel like that

663
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.159
does matter. I feel like that's
better than calling him the stranger, because

664
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:16.920
calling him the stranger implies other different
connotations. Go on, yeah, go

665
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.519
on, keep keep talking. No, what do you mean? We don't

666
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.679
know? Just please say what do
you what do you say? Did the

667
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:30.199
ship have windows? Can we confirm
that? Does the ship have windows?

668
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:37.440
What the ship? The window was? Van? Oh? Is that the

669
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:44.840
joke? Listen? Look at that? Look at that? That's the joke?

670
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:51.719
Now? Uh? That ship that
Saul has though, it's really cool

671
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:58.159
ship. Yeah, and upsetting memories. I like that the ship joins with

672
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:06.960
a big honkin uh hyperdrive wing.
Oh. I think that was cool and

673
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.559
probably for me the sexiest part of
the show. Honestly, what reminds me

674
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:17.800
of rebels, the ghosts, and
the phantom. Oh yeah, I did

675
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:24.440
go da anxiety, the big spoon
and the little spoon. I believed in

676
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:37.159
queer communities. It's called docking.
That's really funny. That was such a

677
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:43.400
good joke. This is this is
the most Pride Month episode and we're July

678
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.400
third. Yeah, well that's because
it's Pride month every month, losers.

679
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:57.719
I know, big corporations and something
about big corporations and big corporations. Corporations,

680
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:02.280
we've we've, I like, shed
to the chains of corporate pride.

681
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.480
Now it's just a regular pride all
year long, and for pride we get

682
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:21.599
many just seemed to cool. Wait
sorry, and yes, speaking of him

683
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.280
too, Like I thought he had
some of the best quotes from this episode

684
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:30.480
too, just as far as like
so like there's a whole thing that he's

685
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.559
saying to Osher. He's like,
below the surface of consciousness are powerful emotions

686
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:37.960
anger, fear, and loss,
and then put the but then he's like

687
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:47.320
desire. Hold on, you have
to do the look and then say desire,

688
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:57.360
desire, that's how he said it. H it is And she's like,

689
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.119
oh, that's the path that her
dark side and I like and I

690
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.400
just like is rational. He's like, eh, semantics, Oh it's true,

691
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.800
even though he is a baddie for
sure. And I was like,

692
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:14.920
now I want to see inside out
in the Star Wars universe with those emotions.

693
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:23.000
Oh my god, I love that. Done write it down next project.

694
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:27.599
I mean, it's all Disney,
so they can get on it.

695
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:32.599
True, they could do it synergy. But it is like an interesting I

696
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:36.159
mean it goes back not to this
sound like a broken record, right,

697
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:40.519
but it's like I this is to
me the first time. I mean,

698
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:45.679
except for some Clone war stuff,
like, but we really are getting into

699
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:52.599
you know, the Jedi really fucking
suck. Not a Jedi fan, and

700
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.880
to really like, I feel like
it's one just like one of the most

701
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:03.679
actual critical perspectives on it that I've
seen of. Is it really helpful to

702
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:09.960
stay from such like a limited perspective
on human emotion, like for to be

703
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.599
isolated to like, like, what
is this to you? And for it

704
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:16.280
to be like an inexorable pathway like
I to get into the fact in the

705
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:23.960
idea that she was cast aside,
like because they were afraid, which comes

706
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.880
back to like the Anakin story,
right, Like the biggest frustration there is

707
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.679
just like you took an eye of
your old kid. You're like, you're

708
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.800
just like fuck your mom, like
you know, you know what I mean.

709
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:44.039
I mean, yeah, he's immaculate, just like exactly no one did

710
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.320
any of that. I don't know
what you're talking about. They're like,

711
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:50.239
well, we'll leave your mother to
remain enslaved. We can't do anything to

712
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.079
help her. We're going to take
you away, we're going to be weird

713
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:56.519
to you, we're not going to
give you any resources. And then we're

714
01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.920
just like, I wonder what happened, Like get out of here? Right?

715
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.039
So there is an interesting sort of
like complexity of this that I like

716
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:06.280
the idea like that that of that, and I feel like that's what you're

717
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:12.320
talking about. And his speech is
interesting, his little I mean, does

718
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.719
do that? What you said earlier? What what did I say? Say?

719
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:21.719
More? What's that? It's it's
a a word that begins with an

720
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:33.320
f Whose mom didn't do that?
Oh, my god, whose mom didn't

721
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:40.000
I'm sure there's lots of moms lined
up around the corner. But I mean

722
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.199
he knew that the power of two
thing there, so maybe maybe he's ocean

723
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:49.199
and and May's dad, stop that
get at. I don't like that,

724
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:56.599
and I need you to stop treading
on dangerous territory by possibly incorporating forced die

725
01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:05.119
at stuff long time ago. It
is to me the the like the forced

726
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.679
eye ad stuff of the Rise.
It is like, to me the only

727
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:14.920
great part of Rise of Skywalker except
for Bobby Frick, who I love it.

728
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.079
I think if it had, if
it had actually been played on the

729
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.519
way that it had like started,
and that kind of dynamic and last Jedi,

730
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:25.199
it would have actually been interesting,
not for what it became. Take

731
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:28.920
a counter with that idea, because
I do want to engage with it in

732
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:33.440
good faith. I think that that's
a stupid idea, and you're stupid.

733
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.400
You're a sexist. No, I'm
an ally, I see, Oh,

734
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:49.960
I'm an ally. Look at my
Bye Lighting Lighting classist racist kind of like

735
01:06:50.039 --> 01:07:00.239
Jerry lewis there like that. I
think the concept of afford could be can't

736
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:09.480
just tell me that doubt tell now
that the music is ever you guys know

737
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:17.599
genre of music that is jets jets
incorrect. It was called jizz Now it's

738
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:24.960
called jets. Yeah. Canonically,
canonically that's that's the past tense of Jason,

739
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:32.239
to have jiz, to have jetted
jats you jetz Jatz, you jet

740
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:40.599
to that music all Jatz George George
Yeah. Anyways, speaking of jets.

741
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:46.599
Uh. The the other two quotes
that that Kear had that I thought were

742
01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:50.480
pretty good. Why do you love
people who you you can only go so

743
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:56.400
far, who can't go as deep
as you can? Oh that's what that's

744
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.679
what she said. Ah, and
then when you lose everything, that's when

745
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:08.920
you're finally free. Like, man, this guy's just like this dude was

746
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:16.039
very hurt at one time. It
is seemingly still really hurt him. Yeah,

747
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.800
I don't know, but there's like
that like where like Osh is like,

748
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:25.880
I'm not as easily corrupted as my
my sister. There's like you sure

749
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:36.600
that he was sure about that multiple
corruption and then he gently grabbed her arm

750
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:43.880
and then she was like, I
guess I'm corrupted. He's like, yeah,

751
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:45.960
just stabbed me in the gut,
or just stab me right here,

752
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:53.399
all right here. He's like,
I've watched all the current shows. I

753
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.760
know that I won't die if you
stabbed me in the gut. There you

754
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.880
go. I'll be good, He'll
be fine. It's not it's not a

755
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.800
it's not a tiny night, not
even stabbed in the lower back somehow trying

756
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:11.760
man, m there's some bite a
little again the son yea not many,

757
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:17.520
not many. Yeah. I think
that's like that's interesting, Like they're whole

758
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:25.399
in her action in this this episode, just like like how subtle he's like

759
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:29.479
going about like doing all of this
with her, and then he's like,

760
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:34.079
oh, you want you want to
try it on? I was like,

761
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:41.199
all right, that feels good to
hold it. Oh, okay, you

762
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:48.640
beat the helmet. Ye that's right. Wait the helmet was like trying to

763
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:58.119
remember what you're talking. You're talking
about that he worries for protection. I

764
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:06.960
like that the helmet has some teeth. I like chafs. It reminds me

765
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.600
of spirit it away somehow. I
don't know exactly because I've only seen that

766
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:15.479
movie Want Well. I mean it
has it has a vibe for sure.

767
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:18.960
Well, it's terrible vision on purpose
because it's a total sensory deprivation. It's

768
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:24.840
a little little he's like I got
to have a little bit of light.

769
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:31.640
It's total sensory deprivation except for that
place where he can see which Manages sent

770
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:36.000
A shared a video like behind the
scenes of him, like training, and

771
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:42.000
he had like this, He had
like this mix of like head like the

772
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:47.800
head phones on that like the just
to make him so that he couldn't hear

773
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:54.000
anything, and then what looked like
a welding mask over his face to train

774
01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.359
with that. So if you look, go look up Manager Sento's Instagram.

775
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.640
He shared it there. It was
like Instagram versus real life. So it

776
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:08.119
was like the act of Star Wars
promo, only only for shirtless. Yeah,

777
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:13.199
I mean, what star? What? What? What a professional?

778
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:17.319
Sincerely? What a guy? True
star. He was only within this press

779
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.199
cycle of the past two weeks that
I learned that Many Jacinto was in a

780
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:24.760
dance troupe and so he's able to
do all of these things. Also,

781
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:31.359
that makes sense Top Gun Maverick,
he was the best part was in Top

782
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:35.439
Gun Maverick. Oh, I'm sure
now they'd go back and re edit him

783
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:42.560
into the movie. I genuinely,
can you remembers, can you remembers when

784
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.399
I watched Top Gun Maverick? Because
I watched it like so begrudgingly and I

785
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:48.920
don't think I mentioned this. I
did it because I was like Many don't.

786
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:53.359
I was very excited whenever I heard
many Gino was in Top Gun Maverick,

787
01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.640
I'm like, this is I mean, I'm very injurested. He still

788
01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:02.000
is. Yes, but there's not
I know, it's not enough for how

789
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.479
great he is. Yeah, though, though that movie does have another,

790
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:12.000
in my opinion, new movie star, which is the uh astronaut Powell,

791
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:21.680
Colin Powell, Glenn Powell, John
Glenn. Yeah, it's also a star.

792
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:29.159
That's that's what he did after Twisters. Yeah, they should do another

793
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.039
Top Gun and it's just manager and
him. I mean, not to just

794
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:38.800
place it into the buyinary, but
I'm going to Glenn Powell is a classically

795
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:47.840
masculine movie star where he's slightly above
it strong. Uh, he's a winner,

796
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:54.680
he's cocky. And then with this
performance from many Jacento, it's sure.

797
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.680
I love it and I think it
should be a star making performance.

798
01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:02.920
It's also a little raw, a
little too since, a little too raw,

799
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.399
a little too emotional, which I
adore. Yep, this is what

800
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:10.399
I'm talking about. This is the
female gaye piece. This is the like

801
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:14.119
the queerness of the thing. It's
like the what is actually attractive and it's

802
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:20.479
like it is the looks, it
is this this like vulnerability, which is

803
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:25.600
wild in contrast to like, I
just murdered a bunch of people, you

804
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:32.119
know who, I'm mad at me? Mark, Mark? What do we

805
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:45.039
do? What do we Doddy?
It's weird? Uh uh? All the

806
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:55.800
people that ever want you to test
screenings of of Top Gun Maverick? Uh

807
01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:00.479
that really? I don't. I
don't like that Manager sent a character what

808
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:04.199
what Well, I'm just assuming that's
what happened, because what happens with test

809
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:13.479
Tom Cruise? Oh mhm. I
feel like I mean, I was gonna

810
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:15.279
say say what you will about Tom
Cruise, but I do feel as like,

811
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:23.279
as far as at least movie making
filmmaking, he's good at doing that

812
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:33.439
because true and he knows so want
to see lockhete Martin but yeah he does.

813
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:36.039
You're right, You're right. So
I feel like he would have saw

814
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:42.319
Manager sent to the movie like yeah, yeah. People want to say,

815
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:45.000
Manny wouldn't have played shirtless volleyball with
him. Maybe that was the problem.

816
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:49.000
I mean, I mean, look
look at this, look at this,

817
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.199
look at this. I'm just at
the time and he was like, I

818
01:14:54.399 --> 01:15:02.800
wanted to play force volleyball on October
with UH with UH planet. Yeah,

819
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:10.960
Which, here's what I appreciate about
this entire conversation. Y'all have like a

820
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:14.760
document and you're like, here's some
points, and we just keep on coming

821
01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:26.800
back to the best point, which
is Dispowie of the episode lack of teeth.

822
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:30.960
If people clicked on this episode in
the future and weren't watching this live

823
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.600
show right now, they saw the
thumbnail, they saw your your heart eyes

824
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:43.800
in that thumbnail for for for manages
with appropriately that the title of the episode

825
01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:51.119
censoring Managino's nipples incredible, which was
is funny because it says corrupt over over,

826
01:15:53.119 --> 01:16:01.800
specifically over his chesticles. Brad,
Yeah, you know you know when

827
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:05.760
that when I first saw the trailers
for this show, obviously didn't I didn't

828
01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:11.000
know what to expect. I think
I have come into this truly with like

829
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.079
a sense of like, I have
no idea what's happening. I've got no

830
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.359
expectations. I'm just gonna let it
ride. We're gonna let it be.

831
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:20.960
Unlike Kenny uh So, I can
just be in the moment brouh So.

832
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:26.279
I was actually delight you know,
delighted by Okay, I get this.

833
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.119
It's it's there is a bad d
and a quilty there's like the acolyte of

834
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.640
this and these two sisters, and
I actually think it's very clever that they

835
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:39.720
were like switch through, like now
we're in the space of like this actual

836
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:44.840
experience of seeing seeing sort of like
the process and how someone truly could be

837
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.399
seduced to the dark side in a
way that is incredibly legitimate. You do

838
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.119
see with Anakin, you see it
over time much better in the Clone Wars.

839
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:54.600
It makes no sense in the films, right, but even then I

840
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:58.319
don't think it's comprehensive at all,
whereas in this it's like, oh my

841
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.439
gosh, you're actually giving me a
compelling arguments, like this is interesting.

842
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.880
This is about power structures. So
I'm pretty delighted that it's become that.

843
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:11.319
Speaking of Anakin too, I liked
that whole usion there at the end when

844
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:15.920
when Osha puts the helmet on and
then you see the POV and you can

845
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.880
see how and then you see like
how crappy the vision is in there,

846
01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:25.840
but then it's also breathing, and
then like it even like seguys over to

847
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:30.479
like the credits. Yeah, with
that's still kind of like going a little

848
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:34.640
bit over the audio into that too, so nice. That was very cool.

849
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.600
There's been a couple of moments like
that that are like, I think

850
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:43.840
good, they're not East Driggs with
like they're their their motifs and like it's

851
01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:47.000
the fact that they played the Kylo
Ren theme when he at the end of

852
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:51.800
the last episode when he like kind
of gently covers her, and there's clearly

853
01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:57.840
like connections between all these people,
which I think is Okay. There's there's

854
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:02.079
this there's this line that George Lucas
said that I think Kenny knows it is

855
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:09.800
back. I can't remember. Man. It's like something Georgia on the phone

856
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:17.800
column. It's like if someone,
if someone learned the chat, might have

857
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:24.640
posted it. I don't just check
the chat real quick and maybe you can.

858
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:39.560
It's like Paul dream wrong God co
CoA. So you know what happens

859
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:48.239
when Kenny says that you're a comb
Oh you're a coomb. You know,

860
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:50.960
I've never seen that movie and I
didn't realize that's what he says. I've

861
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:58.840
only ever seen The Gift. She
watched that movie. Angeles. Now you

862
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:00.680
could go to all the places that
they go to. Yeah, cool,

863
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:06.920
could cool cool? Yeah, it's
good. But yeah, I mean,

864
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:13.520
I think we've talked about a lot
of this stuff episode. Is there anything

865
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:19.279
that we didn't talk about that you
want to talk about before we wrap up?

866
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:26.039
I don't think we talked about managers
into Oh that's right. Yeah,

867
01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:31.239
I think fort to talk about them
entirely. Dang, I can't believe completely

868
01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:39.399
slip my mind. I'm so sorry, sweet boy. Little Matrix Sish reading

869
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:42.840
Michael's quote, the opening scene is
an absolute gem. Loved it, Little

870
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:45.720
Matrix Sish, Oh, yeah,
from the first episode. Is that bad?

871
01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:50.319
Now you're saying like that's bad,
Well, Kenny is because this Michael

872
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:54.560
is referring to The Matrix, which
came out in nineteen ninety nine, not

873
01:19:54.720 --> 01:20:06.159
to another film that is a bad
film. I sincerely do not know what

874
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.840
you're talking about. The movie Bounce
with Ben Affleck and Gwyneth Paltrow. No

875
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:17.000
Matrix resurrections a great film, a
stone cold masterpiece that I thought for three

876
01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:21.960
days afterwards. Jee No, oh, I'm so scared. I'm gonna like

877
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:30.600
Chili. I'm afraid that I'm afraid
that I don't have taste anymore. It's

878
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:36.000
kind of dancing by the opening scene
as someone that has recently seen Crouching Tiger,

879
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.960
Hitten Dragon with it the past year, it's like this opening season,

880
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:46.399
the scene is more matrix. I
know it really is a humble brad because

881
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:50.039
guess what spoiler. Crouching Tiger,
Hit and Dragon a movie that's been out

882
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:57.560
for almost twenty five years. A
great film, incredible film, extraordinary film.

883
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:03.720
Kenny is really Oh you haven't.
It's a great It's truly wonderful,

884
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:10.159
pretty good. Gray, God,
can you take Michael off the screen for

885
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:14.760
a bit, Just get get out
here, get out here. He did

886
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:27.239
himself, Actually, he literally did
it himself because see to yourself. He

887
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:32.760
knows where he's wanted for people.
Just he just sent to show back up

888
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:36.159
to. Someone needs a screenshot that's
right now and send it to ask.

889
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:43.399
I just wish I knew how to
screenshot. It's just here. I will,

890
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:45.319
I will do an old analog.
I got it. Don't worry,

891
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:53.159
okay, I will pull us here. As long as it takes command shifts

892
01:21:53.199 --> 01:22:00.680
four on your keyboard mark and you're
just completely going off the rails right now.

893
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:05.560
Shocker, shocker. They won't say
that when many just sent to us

894
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:17.199
that close to ask did you screenshot? Again? That might have been stuff

895
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:23.880
too far with that joke. I
just need this picture. That might have

896
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:28.640
been a real stinker of a joke. Oh mm hmmm. Listen, as

897
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:33.079
long as things are consensual, that's
great. And who says, who says

898
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:38.079
who's doing that to who? Yeah? Exactly? Am I right? Am

899
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:45.800
I right? That's what Manny just
said. You know what happens whenever many

900
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:54.479
just sent to employed the shocker,
My god, horrific. I well,

901
01:22:54.600 --> 01:23:00.399
I know what genre of music this
is. I have nothing else to say.

902
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:09.800
Yeah, we're gone. Yeah?
Oh man? Yeah, so where

903
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:15.720
where? Yeah? Where can people
find you two? Online? Well?

904
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:18.800
Name planet? Right? Yeah,
I mean I don't know about online,

905
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:26.800
but resting on the hit shoulder of
manages it. But yeah, no,

906
01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:31.920
I don't know your left Kenny,
Kenny, Yes, you wanted me to

907
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.640
do. I do want you to
do the plug. Thank you. I

908
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:40.680
appreciate that you can hear. You
can what point up to your left?

909
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:49.239
There it is cut. You can
find it's over the trek Wars podcast.

910
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:54.159
Just go to trek warspod dot com, where you can hear more of our

911
01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:59.359
analysis and hear us trying to answer
the most important question and fandom, which

912
01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:03.840
is better Star Trek or Star Wars
by going through both franchises and chronological release

913
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:10.279
order. Right now, we've got
a doozy of an episode in the Chamber

914
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:13.960
with some very special guests. Oh
yeah, where we kind of break the

915
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:16.560
format a little bit. I'm very
excited for you guys broke the format.

916
01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:20.000
If that seems very out of character, I know it's pretty out of character.

917
01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:24.439
But whenever we finally do return to
format, we will be smack dab

918
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:29.680
in the middle of season three Star
Treks the original series versus season one of

919
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.840
Star Wars the Clone Wars. Right
now, Star Wars has a statistical edge

920
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:41.840
by just having a higher ranking numerically
than Star Trek, which is very fascinating.

921
01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:47.000
So it is currently. It could
change, but you know it's currently

922
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:51.079
an Aspens favor and the numbers don't
lie, that's right. We're the ones

923
01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:55.600
that come up with the numbers.
Indeed, And if you would like to

924
01:24:55.720 --> 01:25:00.000
go give us some financial If you'd
like to go give us some financial support,

925
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:01.479
you hop over to our Patreon,
Patreon, dot com, Slash Trek

926
01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:05.840
Wars pod where for five dollars a
month. You can get early episodes,

927
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:13.439
you can get extended episodes, you
can listen to I believe that very special

928
01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:17.239
episode currently on our Patreon feed right
now. So go over there Patreon dot

929
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.039
com. Slash Trek Wars pod shoot
us five bucks a month. It helps

930
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:29.479
us cover the bills. Yeah,
yeah, we talk about other things we

931
01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:33.279
like. It's true, not just
Star Wars and Star Trek. Usually a

932
01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:38.239
lot of Challengers talk this year.
That's great. Can't stop talking about Challengers.

933
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:41.760
It's still my number one. And
then number two is hundreds of beavers,

934
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:45.840
which I gotta get. I gotta
get aspmen beaver pilled. You should

935
01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:49.760
oh yeah, that's right, challendars, Thank you, Thank you. Also,

936
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:54.359
if people like Star Trek lower Decks, you guys should also go check

937
01:25:54.359 --> 01:26:00.880
out can interview that they did with
the supervising direct So kind, best kind

938
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:05.600
of you, Mark in my life. Thank you. Didn't you get married

939
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:10.199
to someone though? What? No? I mean, yeah, but I

940
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.840
don't know what you're talking about.
It's talking to Barry J. Kelly,

941
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:18.680
then your marriage to whoever your partner
is, I don't know. Hold on,

942
01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:29.520
keep talking about J T P J
J G. He so much my

943
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:33.239
partner. I was trying to do
the joke from your show. It's my

944
01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:45.199
partner. Oh my god, I'm
in love. Yep, thank you Kenny.

945
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:47.479
That was really good. That was
really beautiful. I was busy down

946
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:51.960
here. Also, Kenny is the
best ship name with his partner too.

947
01:26:54.239 --> 01:27:00.199
Oh, Kenny Rogers. My partner
Heidi Rogers, which is unfortunate because a

948
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:06.079
lot of people will just call me
Kenny Rogers, famed musician. And then

949
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:11.239
there's also my partner, Haidia,
which is unfortunate because she is a complete

950
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:16.119
star in her own right. Yes, the way, this is the way?

951
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:25.039
Got it? Uh? Whenever,
whenever Little Bits Muffett is looking at

952
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:29.119
the two things that she's eating,
she points at the curds and say this

953
01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:30.640
is the cards, and then whenever
she points to the other one, she

954
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:36.600
says, this is the way.
Thank you, this is the blue cheese.

955
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:48.640
But anyways, for us, you
can find us at yeah that too.

956
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:54.560
Uh. If you can't spell maneuver, like a lot of can,

957
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:58.199
go to holdopod dot com. You
can spell maneuver. We also do pull

958
01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:01.119
the maneuver dot com. We covered
our bases because we know spelling is hard,

959
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:10.079
so but h we wanted to take
Aspen and Kenny again. Thank yes

960
01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:15.000
tonight. Yeah, as always,
we would like to think George Lucas for

961
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:21.319
creating the Star Wars universe. Oh
dear, thank the maker by everybody.

962
01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:45.399
We didn't even get into what that
was so funny, I didn't, Kenny,

963
01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:47.760
you go go ahead say your thing
really quiet. D Filoni's brother?

964
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:53.680
Who is he? Who is he? Got? We gotta extend this to

965
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:58.680
other podcasts. You can only find
out if you go check uh Aspen and

966
01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:04.279
Kenny's Patreon comments. Yes, oh
oh my god, we'll cover this on

967
01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:09.840
our NAT record Aspen Okay, now
it's over. That will get Maybe that

968
01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:13.720
will get you more Patreon subscribers because
now people want to know the mystery.

969
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:16.239
Or maybe they just like the theme
song to The Leftovers and they just want

970
01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:23.119
to let the mystery be anyways,
talking okay bye about his brother