Return of the Jedi Special Edition vs. Return to Tomorrow

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romantically starship Ye, all of those
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Today we are covering Return of the
Jedi Special Edition versus Return to Tomorrow.

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Return of the Jedi Special Edition of
course being our Star Wars contingent, and

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Return Tomorrow from season two Star Trek
the original series, Aspen, Yeah,

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and Return of the Jedi being our
specialized versions. Since we have done Return

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of the Jedi before, it maybe
just said this and I wasn't listening.

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We have done Return of the Jedi
before, but it was the original versions

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as opposed to the newer versions.
That is the one, Aspen. That

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is absolutely correct, and I'm so
glad, thank you that you said that.

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Thank you so much. Shall we
go into the synopsis For folks that

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are playing the home game edition of
Trek Wars, they've gotten their boards out,

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they're putting the pieces there, they
are not watching along, okay,

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because that's not that is the home
edition to you. That is to me

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as opposed to Aspen, Yeah,
which is that the home edition would mean

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they are watching along with us.
So the people who are not the people

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who are deciding not to engage.
Sure, And I will start with the

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synopsis for Returned to Tomorrow, first
aired February ninth, nineteen sixty eight.

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Director Ralph Senensky and credited writer of
John Kingsbridge, with a rather story by

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John Kingsbridge written by Gene Roddenberry.
John Kingsbridge being a pseudonym for John T.

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Dugan, and the synopsis comes from
Stephen k Sure from tbke Previews.

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Here we Go Uh, first published
February nine, nineteen sixty eight. Here

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we Go a weird and far out
plot even for this series, but it's

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quite an interesting one. Summoned to
a planet much like Earth, the Enterprise

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finds a highly advanced civilization that destroyed
itself two billion years ago whatever. A

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few of its brain survived, and
now they want to borrow a few human

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bodies to launched. Extremely worthwhile Project
Kirk makes the initial and risky body alone,

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and naturally complications ensue. Although it
is all a bit confusing, you'll

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want to stay with it and watch
both Captain Kirk and mister Spock die.

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That's returned it tomorrow synopsis that they
put in the newspaper. Ah, yes,

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yes, indeed, it's good to
get a preview of what the heck

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of your opinion is of this episode
without you having to say a ward that's

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not true. Sorry, I actually
really, really loved it, Actually fucking

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loved that this episode. I wanted
to be on the record. No,

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I mostly was just like distracted,
avite, trying to find what I wanted

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to read. Excellent, Since of
course we've already given a synopsis of Return

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of the Jedi, this is of
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so I figure I found actually a
Roger Ebert review from nineteen ninety seven.

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I'm just going to pull out a
couple of specific pieces because I'm not going

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to read the whole thing. Yeah, it was first release March seventh,

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nineteen ninety seven. Yep. And
so this review is from March fourteenth,

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nineteen ninety seven. Here's his thought. I'm gonna end with I'm going to

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kind of pull this out, and
there's a last paragraph. I'm going to

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just kind of end with with he
said, if I had to choose,

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I would say this is the least
of the Star Wars films. It lacks

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the startling originality of the first two. It's more concerned with loos end's and

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final resolutions. It was the correct
decision for George Lucas to end with a

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trilogy and then move to another point
in time for the continuation of the saga,

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because he's already starting to think of
that's going to come next, because

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we're building up to the next trilogies
that are coming. You've been in,

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Roger Ebert. Roger Ebert. Well, also because art doesn't exist in a

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vacuum, but E've been Roger Ebert, the most famous film critic period is

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taken with the meta narrative that Lucas
is building George Lucas to end with a

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trilogy, when this has a different
director entirely, it's Cosden and Lucas writing

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the screenplays. So Wild Wild,
You're absolutely right. And then he kind

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of says, to return to these
characters a fourth time, we destroy them

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at the structure of the story and
turn it simply into a series one an

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interesting perspective, talking about inspired things. He talks about extended sequences. But

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I'll just finish with the last paragraph, which is, at the end,

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what are we left with? Marvelous
sites, the two Death Stars, the

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lumbering war machines on the snow planet, space warfare, the Desert Monster,

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buccaneering action, marvelous sounds, the
voices of Darth Vader Jaba in the chirpy

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Little R two D two and an
idea the force that encompassing everything may perhaps

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encompass nothing and conceal another level above
or beneath. I'm guessing that will be

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the subject of the next trilogy,
Medic Laurians. Yeah, I was just

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thinking this was reading that, and
he was going, oh, actually it's

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pretty Laurence Clients. Anyway, that's
a that's my we know what was happening

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in the Return of the Jedi.
Yeah, the Jedi come back. The

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Jedi come back. Yeah, they
rescue they rescue Han from jaba Uh and

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then they're like all of the Jedi. The Jedi has gone on like a

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weekend retreat to Bakersfield, and now
they're back home and Luke has to clean

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up before the parents get back,
right, He's just like, oh no,

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there's so many cops out. Oh
man, they broke a vase.

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So yeah, imagine Jenny, a
really great eighties film if that were actually

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what it was just like. But
also, yes, you're right, director

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was Oh no, it's how do
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Richard Mark wand Mark Wand oh it's
so funny. I've never said his name

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out loud. Yes, Richard Mark
Wand and of course Lawrence Cosden and George

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Lucas writing the screenplays because of George
Lucas being like, perhaps I should have

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a little bit more say in this
film. We've talked about that the last

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time of him being more like part
of the process, more versus Empire.

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Yes, Richard Mark Wand just a
little bit of brief background was a British

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director who really wasn't that well known, had made some small movies. The

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very fact, the very fact that
I just said never said his name out

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loud maybe on this podcast, but
forgotten, like when that's a film not

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directed by George Lucas, but in
our minds were just like George Lucas,

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much like Roger Ebert. Yeah,
and this is where this is the one

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where Lucas I didn't do my research
in terms of reading about the process.

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But also I believe that we've litigated
it on the previous episode of Return of

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the Jedi but where Empire Strikes Back, and we talked about this on our

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previous episode with the Empire Strikes Back
special edition, and Lucas was unhappy with

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how Empire turned out, and I
think still to this day he's like Empire

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is his least favorite, and so
return to the Jedi. Like we said

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in our first episode, episode four, return to the Jedi is a return

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to form. Yes, it's a
return to find Yeah, it's a return

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to form. In his mind,
he's a little bit more hands on.

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I don't recall exactly. I believe
he's directing some things, or at least

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people are like, yeah, he's
basically shadow directing. Yeah, because he

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wants to, sir, sir,
calm down. If I had a time

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machine and someone was like, you
can go back in time do one thing

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in this time, I would not
do what you would expect. I'd go

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back to nineteen eighty three, nineteen
eighty two, and I'd be like,

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can you calm the fuck down?
Yeah, I'd say, that's George Lucas

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and when I come back. Also, at this time, Lucas is tired

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of Star Wars. Oh well,
maybe he needed to calm the fuck up.

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I don't know. He's on the
record of being like, I'm I'm

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done now. He was going through
If he wasn't going through a divorce,

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he was about to get a divorce. Things he had, he was building

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the infrastructure for lucasfilm and starting to
aggregate his power. Uh, and Empire

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Strikes Back was a self financed movie
for the most part, and so he's

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just very tired of making these big
honkin movies Hong Kong, and so he's

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like, Return of the Jedi at
least in nineteen eighty three, I'm about

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to piece out, which is interesting
because you can you can feel all of

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those things. You can feel the
we gotta wrap this up kind of energy

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sometimes. Roger Eberts said, yeah, all those loose ends originally, well,

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I mean, of course, he
was making all of this stuff up

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as he went along. There is
another at least according to interviews within Secret

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History of Star Wars. Whenever I
read it the first time, episode like

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the sequel trilogy, was going to
be about looking for that mythical other somewhere

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else in the gallaty Okay, and
it was not going to be Leah.

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But then Return of the Jedi came
around. He was like, I'm not

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doing this anymore. We're just gonna
make it late. Yeah, it's Ezra

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Bridger. Yeah literally, yeah,
cant in dearest. There are others out

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there. There's so many others.
There's actually a few some. Now,

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the Jedi are all a bit extinct, except for like these fifty two one

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hundred that are over here off screen. Yeah, just a couple, just

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a few. There's a whole bunch
of Jedi that could just like arise.

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Yeah, but they're not bucking skywalkers. I guess no, I yeah,

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that makes sense. You're right,
you can feel it a little bit.

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I obviously Return of the Jedi is
it film, my love. I've watched

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this movie so many times, just
like I was experiencing that in our like

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rewatch of these as special editions.
Every single time it's done the like and

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then it gets goes dad, I
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movies should start like a Star Wars
or yeah, or they should have they

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should have some association with like the
some fun thing to happen with the the

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production company and the music or something
to kind of play around with it.

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God, I love it. Yeah, there's just like such a kind of

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like a push and a joy to
its. Here's why it's huge. Here's

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here's why the intro Star Wars is
great. Okay, tell me as opposed

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to like, because you're talking about
doing like fun things with the production company

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logos which lic and Raiders Lincoln Raiders. When it starts with like, it's

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like Paramount and then it becomes the
Mountain. That's great because we briefly talked

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about this in our Patreon which you
can listen to a patreon dot com slash

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track Corse pod. I'm thinking of
you can Yes, I was thinking about

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Aquamanna the Lost Kingdom gross, I
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war not thinking about it. I'm
probably gonna keep thinking about it. The

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Warner Brothers, like the Warner Brothers, loves to play with their logos and

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whatnot, make cool and make them
different. Star Wars plays with it.

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Here's why the Star Wars intro is
one of the greatest. Has the twentieth

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century Fox logo. It's great.
And then usually movies like kind of Guide

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You in at least Circle nineteen eighty
three, they play their opening credits,

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Ah, yes, no, no, not this one. No, you

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get the Lucasfilm Limited logo and then
silence and then the Chiron a long time

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ago in a galaxy far far away. True. Then it fades down.

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So now the audience's tense because they're
going what is happening there because they're playing

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with sound. They're playing with sound. The sound has dropped out, and

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now we are just staring at a
black screen. And then, instead of

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a slow guide back, blam Star
Wars and it immediate breaks the tension.

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And you weren't just confronted with joy
because you were just like, oh,

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big Star Wark, you are guiding
into this wonderful tension. Yeah, immediately

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told expect this. This is a
fairy tale, okay, and then blam

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unless unless it's Rogue One, which
is like, so fucking good because it's

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a war movie. Dude, Oh
it's a war movie. Did you know

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that? Maybe everyone dies and that's
what makes it cool. What's so good

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about Rogue One is like, there's
never been a Star Wars movie that was

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about war, never mind the fact
that the Ewoks are quite almost literal analogs

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for our perception of the Vietcong.
What did I What did I text you?

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I was like going through hold on, Oh I was I was talking

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about like, I was very grumpy. We don't have to get into it,

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but I was grumpy about how Rise
of Skywalker disrespects not just the preceding

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movies, but also with this film
because it doesn't matter that like the Emperor

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knew what was going to happen,
that he plans it all and I'll just

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like gru but I wrote you like
that he knew it. It's like the

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power of this community and this friendship
and this courage and kindness and risking your

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life even though you could die for
a better future. And then that's what

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actually like wins. It doesn't matter. So the fact that he would continue

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on is so insulting. But then
I came back and I was like,

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friendshipless, courageless kindness plus the Vietcong. It's just like right, Skywalker.

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A similar movie to Return of the
Jedi and This sen is that both are

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course correction movies that are trying to
get back to something else right, and

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also both of them being like the
Emperor's mind at all, which is actually

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funny that I think. That's actually
why I thought that that's funny. That's

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ha ha funny. Thank you for
my solationous girl. Yes, yes,

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yes you've added it. Little freak
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Papu Frick my little Freaks so good. Yeah, it's all hall funny,

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like a clown like a silicious gum. I was gonna say, you distracted

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me. I'm having such a good
time. Oh that's I think why I

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actually made that connection because you had
mentioned that before, and we had talked

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about how this is a course correction
for Empire, while uh, Rises Skywalker

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ironic to me that Rise of Skywalker
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of the Jedi. It also Rises
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operating a completely different paradigm as we're
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yes, Return of the Jedi they
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of Empire strikes Back came out,
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down and be like, let's figure
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to create something that, granted we
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and me, this thing feels fully
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mass, and so it feels a
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Skywalker, which I'm pretty sure Abrams
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maybe two years. I Well,
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it was eighteen months when did Colin
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Derek Connolly did a script that is
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Was a great no, but it
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still probably would have been a disappointment
as supposed to the calamity that Rise of

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Skywalker was. But also, like
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but also like Abrams was doing an
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sure Disney dictates from on high fan
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Gargageman production, So like, like, dude, whatever, it's not necessarily

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his fault. Yeah, And we're
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We're not to talk about Return to
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return to Tomorrow, returns, returns, so many returns. That's the thematic

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connections that I found in these two
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both of them are coming on back
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this is our first impressions, since
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just Return of the Jedi in general, I will be very picky about scenes,

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because I've been picky the whole time
about like what I like, what

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is I love the change of the
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It changes the music that it's a
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fact, I prefer it the end
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This feels like more of an ending
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to what we originally got with Yup
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nub. It is the song is
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yep dap, and it's just that. And I think I should I should

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actually look up what the piece of
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and beautiful. But it's yeah,
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the the u Wak celebration. But
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out to the galaxy. So you
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you see people celebrating everywhere. You
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seven special edition. It's adding in
two thousand and four the Gungans going we

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suf Free. Yep, you do
kind of have to admire George Lucas and

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being like, you don't like this
idea, we're gonna put this in retort

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of the CHET. I know you
didn't like Hayden christians acting. He's in

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retort of the CHET. I now
also Hayden Christensen being the first ghost.

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I was younger and I like,
watched like a special edition, hated it,

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hated it. But now I'm fine. I'm fine with it. No

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though I say that, oh,
I might take it back, because you're

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right, it doesn't make sense because
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he could what he could have looked
like, who he could have grown to

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be. And he was that age
when he died, so being an older

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man does make more sense. It's
not like they replaced Obi Wan with you

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McGregor, So okay, I take
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on a Hayden Christiansen deserves better kick. He does. He also had an

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impossible job that we'll get into right
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So, and I'll tell you this, it's because I'm a deeply feeling

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person. Don't know if you know
that about me? What I am?

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Starry? Why mothers fucker got some
feelings? What are you to do?

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What was the last thing that you
cried at? Oh? Oh god?

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Wait wait we were talking about Madam
web again on the pageon. This was

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not the last thing I cried out, But I do just want to say

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that when she does like basically meet
her mom, like in this memory,

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I did cry. He did cry
so much? What was the last thing

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I cried at? I'm like,
really, it's I mean, but I'm

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not sure that it's going to get
better than you cried daring. Madam Webb

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genuinely recently cried. I did recently
cry. I just can't remember what.

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I don't think you answered my question
correctly. I've cried a Richard of the

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Jedi lost Nime. So when I
was younger, and I saw that for

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the first time, like when I
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book series or you know, anything
that affects me strongly, And this is

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this is hours of like being with
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the story. It's really hard.
An ending is really hard, and I

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think the original one does not quite
It makes me feel like there's no air

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in my chest, like there's not
enough, and it makes me feel too

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sad and lonely. But the new
ending makes me feel like it's they're part

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of something, They're connected. It
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and the music really helps with that. So but now what's so interesting

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is maybe now the Yebnab ending might
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JAREDI is not the end anymore because
the Force Awakens happened, But it's still

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the end of that story, sure, Like it doesn't just because I mean,

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obviously we have one wars and rebellions, only to see the same things

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happen again. You know, this
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Litigate my disappointments in the Force Awakens
whenever we get there, although that

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movie kind of nailed it, uh
in retrospect, because I was like,

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when, so the Nazis just never
went away? I know, I was

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like, that's impossible. So to
finish out, my love for the ending

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changes is matched only by my deep, deep hatred for the changes to the

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Max Rebo band in Java's Palace,
and interesting you think that those are distracting?

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Did I say that? I was
going to just say the fucking worst

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thing I've ever seen in my life? Interesting? Interesting? So I think

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that literally that kind of balance pulls
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say, big weird, uh,
big weird lips in my face from the

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singer. That's not size noodles but
the other one. But you get you

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get you get more bub or maybe
this noodles. You get more bub with

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Fet though, Do I get more
Bob? Yeah, there's more Buba Fat.

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I get where I just have to
say, I love that is just

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just dispatched like a clown because you
know what, he doesn't matter. Bubba

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FET's nothing. It's a care Look. I know, I know. I

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like to have rich philosophical discussions about
what these things are trying to say to

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us on a dare I say,
on a spiritual level. But at the

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same time, Bubba FET's a clown. Who cares? Bubba Fet He's just

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a guy. He's just a tea
man. He's just a He's a man

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with a tea. He just got
a little tea helmet. And you're like,

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whoa a tea cool badass, He's
got jetpack badass. And then literally

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literally he's standing on that sand ship
thing and a block han solo, just

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Boba Fet and then accidentally hits into
a sarlac pit. Apparently, allegedly,

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George Lucas had considered having a scene
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fit. Calm down, Calm down, George. Anyway, So that's my

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reflection, that's my that's my hot
take on the Return of the Jedi special

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editions. Okay, uh, Return
of the Jedi a good film, true

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great film. Yes, yeah,
uh? Ask men. Let me ask

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you the question that I ask you
every week except for the weeks that I

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don't AskMen. Do you remember this
episode of Star Trek. I've never seen

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this episode of Star Trek? Which
thing? Love cool? I liked it.

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I loved it. I liked it. I loved it. I liked

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it. Hey, hey, look
at me, look at me. I'm

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the podcast host. Now I loved
it. I don't know. Maybe it's

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because you like sargon and salsa and
kind of and well, okay, I

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did. However, halfway through yell
out wonder Woman nineteen eighty four, because

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you know, it's like, what
is that? What are the ethics of

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being in people's bodies and kissing without
their consent? Those bodies consent? Wonder

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Woman nineteen eighty four a good movie. I also think so people might disagree,

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but I will say this is a
deeply problematic aspect of it. Yea,

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I think is actually should be considered
more. We're sorry, litigate the

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great movie that is Wonder Woman nineteen
eighty four. Sorry, I loved this

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movie. I loved this film and
oh god, Jesus, I loved this

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movie, film, TV show,
Here we Go. It was great.

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I don't know if it's like because
the last few have been fine or reprehensible

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to me, I'm not sure.
And there was something about this that was

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just so interesting and clear and straightforward
in its approach, beautiful characterization, interesting

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motivations, Leonard Nimoy getting to have
so much fun. I can feel this

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script being like, this is going
to be fun for the actors. Although

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well, yeah, we'll get into
it more after we talk about our first

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impressions. Kenny, Yeah, boss, do you remember the first time you

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saw this episode? I'm the slightest
no, it's probably in high school.

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Oh yeah, because that's whenever I
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Wow, what a braggart, eggs
Braggart. Well, the wild thing

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about my my journey with Star Trek
is that I would whenever I would use

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the bathroom, I haven't, sorry, whenever i'd use the bathroom, I

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had there's a literal Star Trek Encyclopedia
aspen mm hmmm. And I would just

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not just sit in the bathroom,
but also like just elsewhere, and I

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would just read the Star Trek Encyclopaedia. Wait, sorry, you take that?

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Can you can you describe this process? Would do? Would you where?

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Would you read this? Would would
you take it out of the bathroom

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and then take it back to the
bathroom? Or did you just stay in

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the bathroom? I wouldn't, I
mean because it takes it take a while.

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Oh, it would take a while. That's so funny. Interesting,

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that's so funny. Other I don't. I'm so I was take people so

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long to poop. It does not
take me a long time. That's because

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you're a good person. And I
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And so it's this weird thing where
I was probably familiar with episodes before I

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even watched them. M And we're
starting to get into that territory of Star

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Trek episodes that just I liberally used
the word iconic for the first season and

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a half because so much of it
was so gangbusters. Yeah. Now we're

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getting out out of that gene Coon
territory and which I was never really cognizant

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of, and we're starting to get
into a whole bunch of episodes that are

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just like okay mm hmm, yeah, and it could I wonder if and

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this is this is one of those
episodes and what is so interesting? So

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would you put the book back?
Yeah, of course I would like where

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was the book on the bookshelf?
There's bookshelf in the bathroom? No,

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oh, you take it with you
into the bathroom. Yeah, I say

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yes, thank you, because I
would just be looking at it all the

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time. That in Star Trek magazine, what was the decorations like the bathroom?

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It was orange wallpaper, like a
little noleum floor. There was ah

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for a while, there was just
a hole like a cutting the drywall,

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a rectangle. I don't know why, and it was just never fixed.

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That's why all the Star Wars Star
Trek Porn was hidden. Yes, speaking

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of Star Trek Porn. Oh what
yes, well we we have possibly the

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most classic speech in all of Star
Trek. Oh so you know how okay,

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here we go? Oh god,
sorry, I just you know,

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when we're talking about years earlier,
I and like certain things that I just

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like wasn't maybe was like during the
Patreon part, I was thinking about,

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like when the years of things that
happened in the significance. It only occurred

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to me in this episode when he
was giving this iconic jfk asque speech that

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I was like, this is nineteen
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went to the Moon. Of course, of course, and it just oh,

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I might have actually cried at the
speech. I think I started to

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cry because I started to think about
that, and I started to think about

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hope, which is they have done
what the speech is? The risk is

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our business speech in Return to Tomorrow
is Star Trek in a monologue? Yeah,

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the risk is our business and a
risky business. Yeah. And it's

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weird because he put sunglasses on and
dances out afterwards. It cuts the tension.

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It's so out of character. But
I love that speech. It's a

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perfect speech. And also and also
the crew of the Enterprise have done so

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much more dangerous things. I know, but I know, but this is

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the moment. This is the year
before the Apollo missions, yeah, or

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the big Apollo mission. None of
them were big. Only Apollo eleven was

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big. All the missions. Yeah, I mean, it's it's true,

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it is a funny place for it
to be, but I think maybe there

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is something. Yeah, they've done
many, many more risky things, but

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there is something to be said about
like letting aliens inhabit your body. There's

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a certain type of a real visceral
bodily fear around that. So I mean

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not to not to like litigate too
much because I think I think you're right,

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but kind of in that way,
I it's it is kind of fascinating.

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Yeah, anyway, yeah, it's
it's it's got I think it's has

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it has oh bad. The feeling
I was getting watching this was the way

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that I want Star Trek to be. If the last episode was Star Trek

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at its worst, this to me
is Star Trek at its best in terms

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of and I don't mean Star Trek
the show truly necessarily, I mean the

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00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:50.760
crew of the Enterprise actually making good
on a non militaristic, exploratory compassion,

406
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:53.519
and that's why I think it appealed
to me so deeply. And then it

407
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.760
ends up being an entire episode about
what we do for love, what it

408
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.000
means to be human, to be
connected, which we know is my favorite.

409
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:09.280
What did you write human? It's
human propaganda as opposed to war propaganda,

410
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:17.880
which it often is. And here's
here's why I'm glad that these two

411
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:25.039
things are paired, because you made
an excellent argument for Return of the Jedi

412
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.199
in the previous time that we covered
this episode. Listen, because I don't

413
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.760
remember, I did not read listen, But this, this notion, this

414
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.840
notion is stuck in my brain because
it's so it's just such a powerful notion

415
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.000
that I'm not sure that even the
filmmakers were aware of, but it's it's

416
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:47.280
there, and it is I think
this episode is the embodiment just like you

417
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.880
said, it's humor propaganda at his
finest. You said that, you said

418
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.960
this human propaganda. I read it
off of your notes. You said this

419
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:04.199
humor propaganda. Yeah, this episode
of Star Trek. You said that this

420
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.559
is the embodiment of what you want
from Star Trek. I said that to

421
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.239
a stream of propaganda. So this
is a Star Trek distillation living its values

422
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.880
through a non militaristic thing. This
is what Star Trek, This is what

423
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:20.079
the mid narrative of Star Trek perpetuates
itself as. Yes, uh, whenever

424
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.119
it is not looking for militaristic solutions
just shooting people willy nilly and instead willing

425
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.760
to give people the benefit of the
doubt because we are human and we live

426
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.079
to explore, and not through this
necessary this need of conquest, but because

427
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.800
we enjoy the act of exploration on
its own. Yes, there is no

428
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.159
need to impose our values. Instead, let us just explore because we want

429
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.840
to see. Yeah, oh no, I'm gonna cry again. Do it?

430
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.519
And then Return of the Jedi.
This notion that you talk about with

431
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.519
the Joys, especially that last forty
minutes, and the specifically the meaning of

432
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:59.400
the text coming through through the editing
techniques, the interconnected connections and everyone working

433
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:06.559
in tandem to fight fight connection of
friendship, executing that through action, not

434
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.719
necessarily through text, whereas Star Trek
is literally just grand standing through the monologue.

435
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.280
Risks in our business. Return of
the Jedi is demonstrating its values and

436
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.440
the values of Star Wars like it
does through action. Where Star Trek is

437
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:24.119
telling you its values, Star Wars
is demonstrating its values through action through the

438
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:29.000
power. Where we cannot necessarily do
it as an individual, we can't even

439
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.159
necessarily do it as one big group, but all of these individuals working in

440
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.880
tandem on their own, using to
the best of their abilities, it can

441
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:51.800
defeat insturmountable odds. Oh no,
yeah, did I see all That is

442
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.679
really smart of me? You said
the Return of the Jedi bar Yes,

443
00:37:55.119 --> 00:38:01.000
okay, that's nice. Also put
it beautiful words. You know, it's

444
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:06.519
funny. I think that's absolutely it's
it is. It is interesting to set

445
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:12.000
these and also that's why I like
to do this podcast this because it's funny

446
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.880
that the risk is our business thing
comes Yeah, with the alleged end of

447
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:22.159
the Empire, these are kind of
in some way the theses of these franchises

448
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:32.360
at this moment in time. I
yes, and an interesting there's a sort

449
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:39.159
of offshoot thought that came to me
while I was watching Return of the Jedi.

450
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.639
Nice, I know, and I
think I think this is I think

451
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:53.519
this is related when it comes to
the idea of us having to be together

452
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.639
in this that it's no one person
And and I started thinking actually about like

453
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:07.000
what is the benefit to being complicit
in empire? And like we're complicit in

454
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.920
empire right now? We are,
and we are complicit in the United States

455
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:19.840
Empire. And I I like,
even by existing, we are saying,

456
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.239
well, I mean what can you
do? And an interesting thing in you

457
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.280
know, Star Wars that's literally within
a New Hope, right is it's like

458
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.639
Luke even says, well, of
course I hate like the empire, but

459
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.360
like what can you do? Like
what like what can I do? And

460
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:40.039
I think most people, for whatever
reason, do function from that perspective.

461
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.559
There are people who just don't have
enough resources to people who have a lot

462
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:49.119
of resources and don't want to lose
those resources. But I think ultimately it's

463
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:57.079
because the only real answer and FBI
don't come for me Jesus, is actually

464
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:04.239
violent rebellion, like it especially in
a you know, and that is a

465
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.519
terrifying prospect. And we have a
very clear picture of this. I think

466
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.960
within Star Wars, it's very easy
to watch something that feels very black and

467
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.440
white, but I don't actually think
it is as black and white. When

468
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:15.599
I really dig down into it,
and I have these thoughts because I was

469
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.159
watching it. I was like,
why would you want to be part of

470
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.840
the bureaucracy of empire if it's as
dangerous? And then I was like,

471
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.480
well, because most people are actually
just on the planets, being middle managers.

472
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.800
Well, Lucas is interested in the
optics. He's interested in the visuals

473
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.519
because we go back to his original
attent. If he wanted to do superheroes

474
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.719
in space, that's what he wanted. And the moral grays, even though

475
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:50.800
he was importing all this Vietnam era
political stuff here, it was as we

476
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.280
established in the Star Wars special edition
story, it's in search. It is

477
00:40:53.519 --> 00:41:00.639
all to kind of help him exercise
these asthetics. That is my argument to

478
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:09.440
you, La, is that it
is actually shades of gray. Sure,

479
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.440
but also we are the baddies.
We are the baddies. Maybe you know

480
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.840
what actually might I might change what
I just said. Maybe it's that we

481
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.679
are the baddies, which he makes
pretty clear, and it is black and

482
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:30.360
white, and statements that are like, well it's complicated, just make it

483
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:36.719
seem like it is shades of gray. Yes, And to acknowledge that and

484
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:45.239
to acknowledge like what is necessary is
terrifying and takes real movement, and I

485
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.199
think for the most part, it's
just like no, yeah, I mean

486
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.559
it's much easier for me just to
be like, well, these guys suck

487
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.000
about it. I mean, we
just got to live, right, And

488
00:41:54.079 --> 00:42:00.280
so what it takes to to believe
so strongly in the betterment of a future

489
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:07.000
that it literally will take your life
that you have to hope for something better,

490
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.280
Like I don't think I'm brave enough
for that. I'm not brave enough

491
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.079
for that. Like I just want
to like be cozy, you know.

492
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:23.679
Yeah, so I and even Star
Trek as a property argues, it truly

493
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:29.559
argues that the goodness of what they
have now came after violent rebellion. It's

494
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:35.559
so interesting that you say, folks
willing to die for this belief system.

495
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.679
And meanwhile, within this episode of
you're talking about that and return the Jedi.

496
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:45.079
Meanwhile, yeah, within this episode
of Star Trek, Kirk's back and

497
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.199
doctor Ann Mulhall lover. We all
know her, we all love her.

498
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:57.360
She's she's been here the whole time. She's the first science officer I've seen

499
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.320
in Red and the first non Yeoman
woman I've seen in don't don't worry about

500
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.199
it. Don't, don't, don't
worry about It's a TV show. She

501
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.079
looks great and red dot don't she
is a great Transatlantic ass accent. Look

502
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.800
don't sorry, don't don't worry about
it. I love her. I'm worried.

503
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.840
I love her. Don't don't worry
about it. The fatulous Diana maldarm

504
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:22.320
who you will be seeing again.
Really, Oh I know where I looked

505
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.599
her up. Sorry, Yeah,
in another episode of Star Trek, the

506
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:37.119
original series. But these three people
willingly sacrificing their lives to be like,

507
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:42.559
let's give these faults a chance.
Yes, Randon, it's different within the

508
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.880
context of Return of the Jedi versus
these faults, but they're willing to risk

509
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:57.159
MH bodily harm to give these disembodied
brains and jars a chance at a new

510
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:07.400
life. Yeah, And obviously the
stakes are different because you're saying, well,

511
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:12.599
is this really a big risk?
I guess ultimately it's it is just

512
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.480
it is just the lives of three
people. Yeah, it's quite it's quite

513
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.719
small, and you feel it being
a little bit overly for me, you

514
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.320
feel it being overly grand. Yes, within the contact with the episode as

515
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:28.679
opposed to like the Doom Stay Machine
where they fight it Doom Stay Machine,

516
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:35.400
remember that yes, no, what
Yes? Pretty big? Felt pretty big

517
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.480
or pretty big? They could have
done a risk as our business speech there.

518
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:45.519
But there is some a real beauty
to that speech being in this context

519
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:52.760
of because you know, not to
sound too much like McCoy being like,

520
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.800
you know when that bit between in
an earlier episode risk Bo's basically like you

521
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.039
care far more about like individual lives
and say if like a bunch of people

522
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:07.400
died, like it's the smaller versus
the statistic. They're personal versus the statistic

523
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.840
that actually makes an effect on you. I don't want to sound like I'm

524
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.400
coming from that perspective, but I
think when you do take a story like

525
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:21.480
this and you focus it so strongly
on these three characters and they're sweet,

526
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:30.039
scared caretaker, the doctor and Nurstappel, it does the greatness of a speech

527
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.320
like that actually does feel really vast, because it's like in contrast to the

528
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.519
size of the thing, almost as
if to say it is even in moments

529
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:45.719
like this that seems so small that
actually we can achieve greatness, which I

530
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.519
think it contribute to to like the
idea of even though Star Wars in Return

531
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.719
of the Jedi is dealing in many
people, many soldiers or many rebels,

532
00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:02.400
because I know other soldiers, but
they're rebels working rebel soldiers and e walk

533
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:09.119
soldiers on e York bus. Uh. I was doing a lot of identifying.

534
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:15.440
I was just like, there's cheap
chirps and I found I'm pretty sure

535
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.280
I found Nissa. Obviously, Wickets
there, where's your action figure? Oh,

536
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.199
it's on the She's on the table
in the living room. But I

537
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:28.639
was like holding her the whole time. It's very sweet because for folks don't

538
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:34.239
follow us on Instagram. As a
little rat present, I've finished, then

539
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.039
e Walks. I bought Aspen and
I some Ewoks action figures from the Holocron

540
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:45.159
toy store in North Austin. Thank
you, And I have wicket Tea Warwick

541
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:52.079
hanging up on my wall. Yep, that's great. I took her out

542
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:53.760
of the box. I hope it's
okay. Of course, it's literally you

543
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.760
do literally whatever you want to.
She's a little toy. I was like,

544
00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.920
you're mine. I took her in
a soak out. I was like

545
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.360
deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, move them arounds. So

546
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.719
anyway, there is all these soldiers, but it's still very personal stories,

547
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.719
right, and it is still the
actions. It's all of our small actions

548
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:21.079
together, you know, creating something
better. So despite the apparent difference in

549
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:27.519
the the stakes, I still think
we're kind of dealing in the same the

550
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:35.280
same pond, if you will,
Yes, that's a phrase. Yeah.

551
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.639
It's so interesting that Ebert is crediting
this holy to Lucas, which as a

552
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.239
lucasfilm joint, he's a producer,
probably functioning more like a TV producer on

553
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.199
Return of the Jedi as opposed to
Empire Strikes Back, where he was a

554
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.320
lot more hands off. This one, he's more hands on, and you

555
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:57.719
can feel the course correction aspect.
It's also at this point in ninety seven,

556
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:02.119
Richard Markwond is gone, gone,
gone, He's gone gone. I

557
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:12.039
believe he had passed away. Is
dead Jim dead? Yes, he passed

558
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:17.760
away in nineteen eighty seven. Oh
wow. And so you know Lucas is

559
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.280
coming in and being like cgi here, cgi there, we're going to add

560
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:31.440
some no here some no yeah.
The oh they no they're no ah.

561
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.320
Yeah. I won't go into it
too much. Is this the moment,

562
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:45.000
Sure does it? Does it work
for you? Yeah? Yeah, A

563
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:53.920
little bit of those a little bit
of those changes once again. I you

564
00:48:53.960 --> 00:49:00.119
know, I I am least bothered
by the changes in this film, maybe

565
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:07.239
Empire at the fewest, despite some
of the stuff that he put in there.

566
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.199
And partly it's because of my intense
love for the ending canceling out,

567
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.920
my tense hatred for the Java scene. So everything else is just like,

568
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:21.800
that's fine. There's a big establishing
shot of some bantha and I love Bantha.

569
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.079
I will just see a huge herd
of those things, and I love

570
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.719
them. I want to give them
little gisies. I want to ride under

571
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.880
ditail backs. I want to brush
their little hair. I love Panthas.

572
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.519
So I'll look at as many cgi
establishing shots of panthas as you want to

573
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:44.360
give me, Like, there's no
like Gungans dancing around on them being like

574
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:49.400
we sawn banthas. You know,
So it's okay with me, not yet,

575
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.320
not yet, And that's a threat. Yeah, right, fingers crossed.

576
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.559
And I think there was a certain
there is a certain couple of moments

577
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.400
where I was like, actually,
I feel like the crispness of this is

578
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:08.480
pretty good. This is going to
sound so small, but I noticed when

579
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.119
R two DC and C Threepo walk
up to the door of Javis Palace,

580
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:21.159
it seemed so huge the door.
It is bigger, and it is bigger,

581
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.920
and I just genuinely, like real
like in that moment, was like,

582
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.920
this is cool. I realize it
was so big. And I do

583
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:35.840
think that there's some clever things done
in a way that is counter to how

584
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:40.840
unclever some of the other things are, so I feel less personally offended.

585
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:50.840
Yeah, and that I'm thinking about
it because there's so many fan fixes for

586
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:57.079
Star Wars Online. I'm thinking about
the stupid dumb scene thirty eight thing.

587
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.880
Are you familiar with Scene thirty eight? No? So the Obi Wan versus

588
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:07.000
Vader fight in a New Hope,
Uh huh. Some Torp online made like

589
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:15.840
a super charged, badass version of
it. Why because folks are influenced by

590
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:22.280
video games. I believe in modern
action movie aesthetics, and I think are

591
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.679
appealing more to the I want to
understand it. Personally, I detest it,

592
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:37.559
but also it just I don't I
don't know, I don't understand it

593
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.880
enough. I think it robs the
thing. Basically, it supercharges that fight,

594
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:45.519
but also just thinking about the special
editions, and this is probably where

595
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:58.559
fans began to get permission that Star
Wars is a malleable thing. Oh huh.

596
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:05.559
Interesting, and so you see all
these versions like oh what if you

597
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:12.360
and McGregor was in the original trilogy
or the I came along to this with

598
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.480
like the Phantom edit and Attack of
the Phantom, the fan edits that I

599
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.079
currently have on my shelf of the
Phantom Menace, that Attack of the Clones,

600
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.519
because one fan felt entitled to be
like, let me try and fix

601
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.880
this so I can have a more
watchable version of this on my shelf and

602
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:36.960
also just let me share this.
And it also helped me learn about editing,

603
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.880
getting in late and getting out early, redundant action, those things.

604
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.760
It helped teach me a lot.
But also this weird thing about Star Wars

605
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.440
of being like this is not my
Star Wars, this portion is not my

606
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.199
Star Wars. This thing is my
Star Wars. Oh it's really fascinating.

607
00:52:55.519 --> 00:53:00.039
I mean, it's so funny to
hear you say it like that, because

608
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.320
my sort of reaction is to be
like ough, but I'm like no,

609
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.599
I most certainly do that. I
have literally decided, right, Skywalker isn't

610
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:15.440
Cannon. I've literally decided that.
I mean again, I've got my own

611
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.199
complicated Harry Potter stuff. But after
a certain point, I was just like

612
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.119
this weird stage play shit. I
read that. I read it as a

613
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.559
book like The Curse Child. I
was like, this is bullshit. This

614
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.360
thing doesn't even exist. I can't
even handle this. Goodbye and are like

615
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:36.840
the Fantastic Beasts. I was just
like, fuck you, Like I think

616
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.400
I am doing this all the time. And so I wonder if maybe it's

617
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.239
the word usage of like someone feeling
entitled, because it's like, oh,

618
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.039
I feel entitled to do an edit
of this being a better fight, But

619
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.559
like, is that any more valid
than the person who made the fan added

620
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:57.880
a phantom and being a better movie? Like I get to pick and choose.

621
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.880
I go, Nope, not that
one. Oh actually appeals to me.

622
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:05.960
And this goes back to the entitlement
aspect of the theatrical versions of Star

623
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.039
Wars no longer available. Okay,
well, that's a different type of entitlement,

624
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:13.519
Kenny, because we're talking about the
entitlement of a man with so much

625
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.840
power special editions. It's not my
Star Wars theatricals are my Star Wars.

626
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.079
Phantom Metic is my Star Wars.
Phantom Menici is not my Star Wars.

627
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.000
I see, yeah, yeah,
I've decided. Yeah, originals are my

628
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:32.840
Star Wars. Yeah. How interesting? It is interesting, and I don't

629
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.360
like Rise of Skywalker. Also,
I bet there's going to be a lot

630
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.360
of great Star Wars tie in fiction. It's going to be based off of

631
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.360
Rise of Skywalker trying to jump backwards, jump over so many hoops, being

632
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:49.840
like, here's how to make sense
of the political landscape of all of these

633
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.960
things, just like some of my
favorite Star Trek tie in fiction is trying

634
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.559
to make sense of the garbage fire
that is Star Trek Nemesis. Sure,

635
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.480
I was not to say, I'm
like, oh, you know, actually,

636
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:05.760
I actually it a similar I'm realizing
a similar type of thought though it's

637
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.559
not like this isn't my Star Trek
or whatever it might be. But as

638
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:14.280
I was watching this episode, thinking
to myself, God, I really love

639
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:22.559
this episode, it occurred to me
that I love the way original series makes

640
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.760
me feel, but I am frequently
very frustrated, and I wonder if that's

641
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.880
why I love Strange New Worlds so
much, Because it captures the same sort

642
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:37.159
of feeling, but sort of amends
the pieces that feel frustrated. Strange New

643
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.639
Worlds is the closest that Star Trek
has gotten to the original series feelings.

644
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.840
Yes, outside of like the first
two seasons of Next Generation, and then

645
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.519
at some point they were like,
we got to take this Star Trek stuff

646
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:55.960
seriously, and make no mistake.
I love my bureaucratic conference stable Star Trek.

647
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.800
That is my that is my favorite
Star Trek. Yeah, I love

648
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.840
it. Whenever you get Patrick Stewart
behind the table being like is this right?

649
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.079
Meanwhile they're talking about the forced relocation
of yet another thing of Native Americans.

650
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.679
We'll get to that in season seven
and Next Generation oh so many,

651
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:20.239
so many seasons. Yeah. And
also, Strange New Worlds is able to

652
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.440
distill what makes the original series great, all of it, all of it,

653
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:30.320
the diplomatic stuff, the philosophical stuff, the sociological stuff, the science

654
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.000
fiction and the stuff, and best
of all, the goofy stuff. It

655
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:40.280
is willing to be silly as heck
in a delightful way. Silly as hack.

656
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:46.119
Yeah, man, And it's so
interesting talking about malleability of Star Wars

657
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:50.960
and then also thinking about Gene Roddenberry
and his relationship to Starrek and what is

658
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:52.719
real Star Trek and what is not
real Star Trek, because at some point

659
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:58.440
he was like, animated series of
Star Trek not canon anymore, even though

660
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.360
like his name's on it, and
then it had almost everyone from the original

661
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.519
series back, almost everyone from the
writing staff back. It's essentially the continuation

662
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.599
of Star Trek animated form, but
the quality is debatable, and so roden

663
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.400
Berry was like, nah, it
doesn't count anymore as opposed to I think

664
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.760
what you and me enjoy so much
about it so much, which is all

665
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:27.239
of it is the thing, right? I mean that sounds very It's good

666
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.119
to know and interesting to know that
Star Trek has a similar sort of what

667
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:35.760
is canon type of discussion, since
obviously those are huge when it comes to

668
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:43.320
Star Wars of like what you know, legends being relegated to non cannon Star

669
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.480
Trek Bensilver backwards. To make sure
that all of it matters, even the

670
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:51.119
Calvin Universe stuff, which is a
hard reboot of Star Trek, is just

671
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:57.159
like this is definitely an alternate universe
and doesn't count within Star Trek proper.

672
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:02.159
So this is different is that the
Star Trek movies, jj Abrams movies,

673
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:09.400
and then even the novel universe aspen
even the novel universe sure within Star Trek

674
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:15.159
as opposed to Legends, where they
were quite rightly they were just like hand

675
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.840
waved it like doesn't care anymore.
The Star Trek novel verse actually wrote a

676
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:25.280
finale to be like, this is
all a different universe. Interesting, do

677
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:30.559
still all count? Don't worry?
Well, I mean there is a sort

678
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:37.320
of there is a sci fi element, right, there's already mirror universes set

679
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.639
up or timelines set up within Star
Trek. I think to mine from that,

680
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.039
Oh yeah, there's not really an
equivalent Star Wars sands over backwards to

681
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.440
make sure that all of this count, right, which now is restricted now

682
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:54.239
it does. Also, I wanted
to talk about the fact that this is

683
00:58:54.280 --> 00:59:01.920
the last time that the Star Wars
trilogy is the Star Wars trilogy, that

684
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:06.800
thing that you and I grew up
with. Yep, although to be fair,

685
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.480
you watched episode one is your first
Star Wars. But like, yeah,

686
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.679
even though we refer to this as
the original trilogy, like this,

687
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.079
after Return of the Jedi, the
next thing that comes out, I think

688
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:24.840
that we'll be talking about next episode
as man, next episode, freaking episode

689
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:30.880
one. So this is the last
time that this trilogy exists within the vacuum

690
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:44.519
of being. These are the three
Star Wars movies. Wow, okay,

691
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:51.280
wow, I'm glad that I had
a really good close out song to complete

692
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:58.440
my emotional journey through this thing.
And then we're about to go into Lucas

693
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:04.960
expanding it to films right, and
then it's all about the tragedy of Darth

694
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:10.719
Vader, which this film series,
the trilogy became that being like Vader is

695
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:20.519
actually secretly the most interesting character.
But then the saga it becomes, it

696
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.760
ceases to be the Star Wars Trilogy, and then it becomes the original trilogy

697
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:30.119
and the prequel trilogy, the Star
Wars saga. I wish. I don't

698
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:43.440
know what I wish. I I
also cried. I also cried when uh

699
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:47.639
Anakin was dying at the end of
Return of the Tether because I just was

700
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.480
reflecting on it, even within just
like the context of the thing of Mark

701
01:00:53.519 --> 01:01:01.639
Hamill's eye acting, and just the
gentleness and the kindness of the thing is

702
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:07.800
just so truly wonderful. It's just
so deeply, deeply compassionate, like and

703
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:13.480
that is and has been my argument. Like you mentioned for Star Wars,

704
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:17.400
I think it is at its qure, truly compassionate story, a very loving

705
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:30.559
story about about like like we can
always come back, you know, like

706
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:37.280
we can always be better, even
if it's at the very end. And

707
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.199
that's a very hopeful thing, a
new hope, if you will once again.

708
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.679
I feel like I'm feeling very struck
between that is, like it's thematic

709
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:51.519
whoops, though I don't know like
thematic connections like that these two property is

710
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.360
a Star Trek episode and the Star
Wars return of the Jedi feel the most

711
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:06.960
optimistic. And that's kind so having
a time, having a time, yeah,

712
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:12.880
a little sweet time. I don't
know, Well, AskMen, what

713
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:22.400
do you know a lot of things
such as I know that you're nice,

714
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:28.719
a real sweetheart, and I know, just like just a sweet, sweet

715
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.800
sweet bowie. I give you a
kiss in your head, just like I

716
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:38.559
give a band I kiss on his
head. I know that it's is it

717
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:42.360
you're gonna play a song? Is
that what's gonna happen here? Don't you

718
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:46.480
take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my redchord buddy and

719
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:53.199
nip it spill the tea. I'm
gonna snip it. I star. You

720
01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:57.559
did play the song, of course
I did. What are we doing?

721
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:06.000
We're going tea? You play a
start cheap beat the game that I well

722
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:10.239
in relationship with my partner came up
with. And yet for every my partners

723
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:17.679
don't so you don't like you as
much, and yet for every single episode

724
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:22.360
don't prepare for But I did.
I did. Oh, So what we're

725
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:29.079
gonna do is we're gonna name our
favorite ships from either or property, our

726
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:37.559
favorite romantic ships from either or property. Yay, okay, can I can?

727
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.559
I? Can I give my first? Can I give my ships so

728
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:45.079
you don't steal it? Yes,
absolutely you can. I'm worried. I've

729
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:46.239
said this one before. I should
have checked this redsheet. Well, I

730
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:52.199
got the spreadsheet right here. My
favorite ship. There's so many different vehicles

731
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:54.880
and ships I could choose from for
Return of the Jedi, but I'm going

732
01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:00.719
with the Lambda Glass Shuttle. Oh. I definitely was not going to steal

733
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.760
that. I love them. I
love that it's like they've got little wings.

734
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:12.360
It just kind of come up and
do a little triang. I love

735
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.000
the shape of them. I think
they're very interesting. I love it.

736
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:20.679
They're inherently evil. I love that
they can't fit chewy. No, I

737
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:24.599
don't love that. I wish he
had more space for his big old long

738
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:31.840
legs. But yeah, I just
think they're a very interesting shape and I

739
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.000
am very convenient. It makes sense
in terms of the way that they fly

740
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:38.960
and then the little sides come up
when they land, and I love them.

741
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:43.719
That's all that was definitely not going
to be in my tries. Really,

742
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.920
I really there's like a lot obviously, but that when wins, I

743
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:55.239
know that it's not massive, but
it's massive in my heart. So it

744
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.320
works. I I was looking it
up and I was trying to figure out,

745
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:03.400
like what that's and it's a trihedral
foil design. So cool. Oh

746
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.719
my god, brutish imperial engineering.
Oh I love it. Oh, I

747
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:14.639
love it. Uh so, of
course my favorite starship. What do you

748
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:19.000
think my favorite starship is? Wait? I got this? Which properties are

749
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:26.320
from? It's either Star Trek or
Star Wars. Oh my god? Is

750
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.880
it the elevator that? No,
I don't know, it's a vehicle.

751
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.199
It was so amazing is how I've
never seen something to go up and down

752
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:41.639
before? Extraordinary technology? Cool engineering? You know, No, I'm going

753
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:45.199
with the B Wing, dude.
Oh that was gonna be That's my second

754
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.360
one, is the B wing bad
Okay, Well I got Lambda first.

755
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:50.800
It's okay. B Wing was genuinely
my second one. I was going visit

756
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:55.159
well, it was going to be
either or of the three Lambda, B

757
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.719
Wing or ATSD. According to the
behind the scenes on Wikipedia in regards to

758
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.440
the B Wing, the b Wing
Fighter was originally designed by Joe Johnston,

759
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:09.039
who designed Boba fet uh huh,
and Bill George for Return of the Jedi.

760
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.159
The craft derives its name from the
fact that the crew labeled the two

761
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.159
new Rebel aligned star Fighter models and
Return of the Jedi as a fighter a

762
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:21.119
B fighter. Bill George has so
much input into the starships development that his

763
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:29.320
colleagues nicknamed it the bell Wing Fighter
year. I love that being you know,

764
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:30.480
the X wing looks like an X, the Y wing looks like a

765
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.639
Y. B wing does not look
like a bee. And the reason that

766
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:36.000
it's called the B wing is because
they're like, I don't know what we

767
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:41.280
call it, like the B fighter
what, I'm so tired, I want

768
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:49.280
to go to sleep. So interestingly, the bee wing is actually it's they

769
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:54.000
I'm remembering this. This is like
coming up from like a deep memory.

770
01:06:54.440 --> 01:07:00.000
But I'm pretty sure they it's invented
during rebels and they fight did like it's

771
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:05.679
like it's like made by a man
calla Marii guy, and like that's one

772
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:10.920
of the episodes, is like this
prototype of the bee wing being invented.

773
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:16.440
Yeah, man, because it rocks
the b wing is so cool? Oh

774
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.639
love Yeah, I think it came
on screen and I went byeway Angel's like

775
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:29.800
okay, who is who is still
still my partner and the composer and seeing

776
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:39.559
it and performer the starship, it's
it's beautiful. Great, look at us.

777
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:43.000
We don't give a shit about Star
Trek ships. We only love Star

778
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:46.400
Warship. Well, there's really as
per usual, it's usually just the enterprise,

779
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:49.880
though. I guess we could have
gone with the ships that Sargon and

780
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:57.079
his compatriots are held within the giant
globes, the giant, opaque white globes.

781
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.000
I do you enjoy them? Speaking
of relationship, yes, yes,

782
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:06.440
between starkan Is compatriots Asthma. Who
do you ship this week? See again,

783
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:09.800
I should have thought this one through. I was thinking so much about

784
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:14.960
starshifts, but I think about romantic
starships interesting, I know, but I

785
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:24.760
was in love with everyone very much. So sorry, you go first.

786
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.319
You can take the main one if
you want. I mean, I'm going

787
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:36.319
to just do it. It's it's
helpful for me. Sargon and let's just

788
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:45.199
be basic. Sargon's wife. Yeah, because it's a beautiful relationship Sargon and

789
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.880
Sargon's wife, who has no other
descriptor besides the fact that as Sargon's wife.

790
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:55.840
Yeah, that's true. The Lisa
okay perfect, I could Yeah,

791
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.760
I couldn't remember her name. Who
are you can tell that rotten Berry wrote

792
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.439
it. Because as soon as they
get bodies are like, let's do it

793
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:11.920
kissing. We did not ask these
humans for their consent to kiss, but

794
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.600
here we are kissing, and they're
truly Oh it's beautiful. It's beautiful kissing

795
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:29.960
kissing. Yeah, they have a
relationship that spans millennia, and they love

796
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:34.960
feeling each other and they're willing to
They would rather commit themselves to the void

797
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:45.319
of nothingness as opposed to hurt these
human beings any further. Yep, I

798
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:50.840
I like that. Yeah, it's
a beautiful arc. Sargun is very committed

799
01:09:50.920 --> 01:10:00.640
and he stays very true and she. I think it's very understandable that she

800
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:06.039
would want to stay in this body
and feel and be with this person she

801
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:12.760
loves. And then I also think
it is admirable to then realize no,

802
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.079
I can't do this, like we
can't do this. I do think it's

803
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:18.720
sacrifice. I do like, look, we'll get to your relationship in a

804
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:23.640
second, but just a quick,
quick tangent. I like that most of

805
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:27.279
our discussion has because I was a
lot cooler. I returned to tomorrow as

806
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:31.560
you were, but really just talking
about the notions of how this art is

807
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.159
effective, how it works, as
opposed to being like good or bad.

808
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:40.800
And I know that we clown about
everything exists in a binary of either good

809
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.199
or bad, but like it's just
delightful. That's all. Good job,

810
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:48.359
good job, AskMen. Thanks.
I felt very emotionally affected by this.

811
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:57.319
I think they really and what helps
is a very uh like too, like

812
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:01.399
a great variety of beautiful performances.
I think her name ways truly having Oh

813
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:08.199
my gosh, he is because he's
not like even when he was because he's

814
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:13.680
playing a bad guy and even when
he was Mirror Universe spot, he's still

815
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.840
like I'm still very analytical right,
so to get to just be fucking bad.

816
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:24.319
He's just like, like he's hot
though he's so hot, he's like

817
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:30.760
twirling his mustache, tie you to
the train track. Baddie's like whenever uh

818
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:38.640
first gets into Spock's body and flirting
with Chapel, immediately, yes, it's

819
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:45.119
it's not he ends up controlling her
too much for it, but it's but

820
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:49.840
it's yeah, He's immediately like hey, and she's like, oh my gosh,

821
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:56.800
what me? Because she obviously loves
fuck, so what a mind fuck

822
01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:00.680
for her? You know? But
anyways, what's your ship for the week?

823
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:04.640
I don't think this has been done
before. I was just checking to

824
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:14.199
say R two D two and C
three po. Whoa, yep, whoa.

825
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:16.520
I can't believe we. I guess
we've never done it before. We

826
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:20.760
covered all of droids and we we
had an R two D two K ten

827
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:27.600
kt ten. I don't think we've
ever had an R two three PO A

828
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:31.840
classic ship, A classic ship.
Now, Aspen, what about R two

829
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:38.600
and three bo and this in Return
of the Jedi resonates as pure sexual charisma.

830
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:47.560
Well, I see humor as very
sexy, and I see a sassy

831
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:56.520
little droid making squeaks as particularly hot. Put them together and you get unmatched

832
01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:02.600
attention. But I but truly,
though truly, I think it's like a

833
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:09.600
obviously they continue, I get,
and they are in other properties. I

834
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:14.199
know they are before and after and
forever and ever. But the worst like,

835
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:16.920
sorry, the worst one. The
worst one is in Rogue one.

836
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:26.720
Oh that's right, they're fucking it's
so, it's so bad. It's so

837
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:30.600
bad because they're your main characters and
there like off to the left or three

838
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:38.520
PO and R two like being there
and it's so yeah. So I think

839
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:45.000
I just I was just really appreciating
because I think that there is actually one

840
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.640
three P was exceptionally funny in this
film, like in a way that isn't

841
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.000
annoying. It isn't greeny. I
don't think he's ever greenny. I love

842
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:57.840
him forever, Okay, he's sometimes
after two weeks, we're going to get

843
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:02.119
to the most grating P. So
sorry, I forgot, so sorry.

844
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:08.560
He's very funny in this one.
Han is also so funny in this and

845
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:12.840
I think that there's just a little
dynamic duo his also his like I'm a

846
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.560
scaredy cat fear so I think I'm
focusing on three po here like kind of

847
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:20.079
pulling its arc and then to like
being a hero. And he does it

848
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:27.119
because he has this, he has
this companion. And I think that of

849
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:31.359
all of Star Wars is the best
love story CDP and R two D two

850
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:38.880
balancing each other's Uh, I don't
personalities so well, having each other's backs,

851
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:44.720
like truly loving each other through it
all, like the best the best

852
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:54.039
boyfriends. So that is mine speaking
of the best boyfriends being coupled together through

853
01:14:54.680 --> 01:15:00.199
the eternity of their franchises. So
too is the Track Wars podcast committed to

854
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.359
being coupled to eternity. With our
main conceit of trying to rank which one

855
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:08.760
is better Star Trek versus Star Wars. This we once again go back to

856
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:13.640
the mat and rink return to tomorrow
from Star Trek to the original series versus

857
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:18.800
Star Wars. Episode six returns Jedi
Special Edition. Uh, and I will

858
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:24.479
go first because I'm pretty sure I
went last last week? Sure? Why

859
01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:27.279
not? It's all arbitrary, it's
all made up. Who cares? All

860
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:30.439
made up? It's all made up. Yeah, I'm going to give Return

861
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:34.800
of the Jedi seven, Okay,
because it's good and I like it because

862
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:40.600
it's good and I like it.
No, I'm going to do seven point

863
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.560
five. No, I'm going to
do seven point seven five. Oh nice,

864
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:46.880
that's nice. No, I'm going
to do some point seven six.

865
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:54.039
Okay, very awesome topic here.
It's like you can just get closer and

866
01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:56.680
closer to eight, but never actually
hit it. No, it is not

867
01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:01.399
an eight. No, well I
think it's an eight. Oh this movie,

868
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:08.159
I don't think that. As opposed
to Star Wars an Empire, there

869
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:14.439
is not much going on script wise
in terms of thematic cohesion. Both of

870
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:21.560
those movies have some creative juice.
The original Star Wars is a masterpiece in

871
01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:29.319
just populous blockbuster storytelling about superheroes in
space, synthesizing a whole bunch of influences

872
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:34.399
that George Lucas has into just uh
a stone called masterpiece. The Empire Strikes

873
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:44.600
Back is an emotional character based science
fiction adventure that is bothering to take the

874
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.479
hero mono myth, put it on
its head, and going how far are

875
01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:50.960
you willing to go to be the
hero? Let's get to the dark stuff.

876
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:55.039
Both of those kind of function in
a diptich kind of way, and

877
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:58.399
the Return of the Jedi wraps it
all up. But there's not really that

878
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:04.199
much to say in terms of grander
thematics as opposed to I think, but

879
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:12.960
you eloquently said through action, because
this movie has so much juice in terms

880
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:19.760
of that last forty minute. I
don't know that last action chunk, yeah,

881
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:27.039
which is just it's perfect. It
is pretty phenomenal. Like there's a

882
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:32.520
moment and also it shouldn't work,
no, and and I think I have

883
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:36.800
to go with it. It's because
it's truly emotionally compelling, Like there is

884
01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:46.479
that moment where Lando just believes so
calari he just he's like hand like Han's

885
01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:50.359
got Hans is going to succeed.
Like partly it's because it's like you have

886
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:53.760
to believe in that, right,
but also because it's like he believes in

887
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:57.199
his friend. And I think it's
because everyone, while separated, is so

888
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:01.479
tied together emotionally, so so fundamentally
has to believe in each other so much,

889
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.640
you know, And I think that's
partly why it works so well.

890
01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:09.119
It doesn't feel disconnected. It feels
very very much like we're all, yeah,

891
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.600
fighting the same battle literally but also
you know, figuratively. Yes,

892
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.319
So for that reason to give it
an eight. Yeah. Uh, that

893
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:19.000
brings me to you a collected total
of seven point eight eight. But it

894
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:24.279
could still be anyone's game. As
we pop over to return to tomorrow,

895
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:30.760
really we'll give it a six hmmm, and then will use this portion to

896
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:35.319
bring up a couple of things from
the episode that I did not touch on.

897
01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:42.920
You're going to say that I did
not like It's fine, like it's

898
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:45.880
an adequate episode of Star Trek.
I think a lot of the juice is

899
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:51.039
rubbed because this is basically characters that
we've never met. It's their episode,

900
01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:56.159
as opposed to I want to watch
the Adventures of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

901
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:00.399
Yeah, the original version of this
episode, that John T. Dugan

902
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:08.199
version Stargun was basically going to be
god boring. They allude to it,

903
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:14.920
but this has made even more clear
cut within the original versions where it says

904
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.119
that two people left from their planet
and it was basically going to be Adam

905
01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:21.439
and Eve. I was gonna say, I was like, I guess there

906
01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:26.560
is a real sort of like I
don't know, Yeah, there is a

907
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.680
vibe there is a vibe of whoever
is in Spock's body. I forgot his

908
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:33.600
name. Being very devil like very
Satan asked, Yeah, that was not

909
01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:41.600
intentional. I think. Also,
although there was a lot more sexual assault

910
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:46.359
in the original versions, those were
cut. Yay. This was director ral

911
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:50.159
Senensky's least favorite episode of Star Trek
that he directed, and he directed a

912
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:57.319
bunch funny. I highlighted this quote. Shatner struck me as being like Bob

913
01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.359
Kolp, who I just directed an
ice by both talented guys, but their

914
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:04.600
approach to acting was not always as
sincere as it could have been. They

915
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:11.159
were more into being stars than being
actors. And I think that's so interesting

916
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:17.760
because I think Shatner gives a silly
performance here, but it is not because

917
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:21.880
he's not invested. He might actually
be a little bit too too invested.

918
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:29.319
He's so into it, which if
there's anything I reward, it is fucking

919
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:32.199
commissioned. Shatner never phones it in. I think me Moy has phoned it

920
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.720
in a couple times. Sure,
he's probably done with Shatner's bullshit like everyone,

921
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:43.000
like every but Shantner never phones it
in. No, even in this

922
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:47.239
silly episode, which is like,
which is why why he can be a

923
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:51.680
meme? Yeah, and also why
like the more. I watch Star Trek.

924
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:58.960
I don't like Shatner, but I
fucking love Kirk. Shannon's really good,

925
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:04.319
fantastic. I think he's fantastic.
I just love it. I love

926
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:11.479
that full body heart commitment. And
finally, like I said earlier, and

927
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:15.720
we'll get to your ranking soon.
We don't have to, we we will.

928
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.359
It's the main conceit of the podcast. Oh okay. Geene Roddenberry heavily

929
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:21.359
rewrote this script, which is why
he's credit with the end teleplay. It

930
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:29.680
went to attribution to the Writer's Guild
of America. Roddenberry ended up winning the

931
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:34.359
teleplay credit, and Roddenberry was so
pleased by his own work with the script

932
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:39.800
for a Return Tomorrow, which I
think is widely regarded as just a episode

933
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.840
that funny, that he chose it
to represent Star Trek for consideration in this

934
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:49.000
year's Writer's Guild Awards above the scripts
for a Mock Time, Metamorphosis and Journey

935
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:53.199
to Babel. In the rest of
the great scripts that are here in this

936
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:59.680
season, that's very silly. You
gotta love it. I mean I understand

937
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.399
stand as perspective as someone who really
liked it. I mean, yeah,

938
01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:06.720
but I would not do that it's
got that chuicy monologue. And also Diana

939
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:14.199
Maldar talks about Roden Berrier being like
Roden Berry was true original where Hollywood wants

940
01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:17.079
to I'm paraphrasing here, and of
course all of this is from These The

941
01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:24.439
Voyages season two by Mark Cushman.
Diana Maldar talks about how where Hollywood takes

942
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:29.560
creatives and tries to make them commercial, Roden Berrier was a true creative out

943
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:34.960
and out and was never worried about
being commercial. He was always sticking to

944
01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:40.000
his own guns. Now, whether
you and me can be like and I'm

945
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:44.279
sure Diana Maldar because he actually knew, but some of that is driven by

946
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:51.600
ego, but also there's just something
nice about that. Yeah, that's all.

947
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:54.640
I don't. I hate it.
I'll say you know what, I

948
01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:59.560
also don't Diana Maldar, Oh,
God, the first she started talking,

949
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:00.479
I don't care that I didn't know
her, and I didn't care that I

950
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.399
didn't know that the space being she
passed. I was just like she posed

951
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:13.680
she Immediately. I was just like, holy moly, she is by her

952
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:16.840
accident. Yeah, the transatlantic thing, she's she's got like she's got the

953
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:23.840
riz and this is why you write
this episode sixteen. Yeah, it's literally

954
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:30.840
all her. I'm gonna give it
a seven point five because that's my opinion.

955
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.359
Crazy that you ranked a piece of
the action below this episode, which

956
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:41.439
wait, I don't remember right up
on a piece of the action the Gangster

957
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:45.039
episode. I didn't like that episode, and no baffling. You're so much

958
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:49.399
about sherannigans and that episode is nothing
about shenanigans. Anyways. Returning to tomorrow

959
01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:55.960
is paltry six point seventy five as
opposed to return of the Jedi Special Edition

960
01:23:56.479 --> 01:24:00.439
coming in at some point a eight, which means aspen, I win.

961
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:06.439
What's it like to be wearing that
three? P hat I I win?

962
01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:13.359
I win? And it's not just
because we're listening watching the original Star Wars

963
01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:17.399
fell because I myself personally am a
winner. You are a winner, and

964
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:23.159
you know who else is winners?
Our listeners, our listeners, thank you

965
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:28.880
so much for listening to the Track
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966
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:31.800
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967
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.119
also don't enjoy it every episode.
Sometimes we're like, wow, we're phoning

968
01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:39.880
it in, Like Leonard Nimoy,
that's not true, we like it.

969
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:43.199
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975
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actually got a comment from this week. Mark he sent us on our Patreon.

984
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:50.199
He sent us three harthands for our
latest Empire episode, and then also

985
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:54.760
just showed us the text messages because
we are friends with our listeners. It's

986
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.119
just like, really good John and
Mark. I want to say you're a

987
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:01.159
good guy. He is a nice
guy. You know. That's actually it

988
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:05.760
means a lot to me because I
actually felt a little anxious about that episode.

989
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:11.600
Really yeah, I you know,
because I was editing it because you

990
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:18.960
were in Mexico, and I was
like, I sometimes I want so badly

991
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:24.439
to get it right, you know, and when you don't want to,

992
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:27.319
don't get a writer, you know, whether that looks like saying the right

993
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.760
thing or a historical fact or like
social type of thing. And I was

994
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.119
like, man, am I just
like talking on my butt? And so

995
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.399
it's kind of nice to be like, nah, you know what. No,

996
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we're trying our best. People people
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997
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Thanks, we are trying our best. Thank you, Mark. Also our

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anything except for your heart in cash. Yeah. Finally, lastly, but

1000
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1001
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for your song contribution with my Starship, and also mister Toast and o Fesso

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1005
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did it, man, I mean
Lucas. Lucas is finally a toned with

1006
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:29.760
his father, uh realize. In
Return of the Jedi, Lucas is finally

1007
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.079
toned with this complicated relationship with his
father, realizing that his father is a

1008
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:39.840
complicated man uh and is able to
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1009
01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.319
and defeating the empire that is his
father. But we'll be picking up on

1010
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a brand new narrative next week star
episode one, The Phantom Menace and Patterns

1011
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of Forrest. Yay, asmen,
Yeah, what's what's that? What's that

1012
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you say? I love you?
Asmen? You love me? Yeah?

1013
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Thanks. I will be to you. May the Force be with you and

1014
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live wlong and prosper mhm.