Shadow of Malevolence vs. The Paradise Syndrome

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Welcome to the track Wars podcast,
the Internet's exclusive outlet for trying to answer

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the one question, the most important
question in fandom, which is better Star

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Trek or Star Wars by going through
both franchises in chronological release order. I

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am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek
contingent, and with me, it's the

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co host with the momost lomost bout
of being a bout of boom. I'm

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your momost Aspen Websters Star Wars contingent, Baby Aspen. How you feeling today?

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I'm bad. I'm bad, but
I'm better and get better. But

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okay, I'll get better. I
did this. I do this for you.

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Well? Did you did you know
that I'm an amateur doctor? Oh?

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Suspected? Hold on, let me
let me put. I'm going to

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fill your forehead real quick. I'm
going to feel your YEP. Sounds like

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you've come down with the case of
the Paradise syndrome. Oh, I hated

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that. That's right. That's right, team, we're talking about the Paradise

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syndrome. Uh. Season three,
episode three of Star Trek the original series

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versus Shadow of Malevolence. Season one, episode three of Star Wars The Clone

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Wars for one, Shadow of Malevolence, Shadow of Shadow of Malevolence. You

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don't mean to say the destroyed belevolence, that is that is correct? Yes?

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Yeah? Wow. I bet someone
didn't accidentally watch the fourth episode because

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of a confusion with names and COVID
brain and then didn't have to stop our

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session to go watch and then come
back. Indeed, that is correct.

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I bet no one I had to
do that. No one had to do

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that our patrons. Before we go
on with the rest of the episode,

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Uh well, first, we've got
some business to We've got to two portions

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of business first, okay, but
the business is my life. Second order

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of business is Patreon correspondent my life
in the sense that you oh yeah,

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Before we get into the meat of
the episode, which is, you know,

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comparing contrasting Star Trek at Star Wars, I think you want to ask

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me some questions, Kendall. Okay. So famously it was May fourth,

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which is you know, Star Wars
Day. Where were you this weekend?

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What were you doing? Uh?
Well, I was in Plano, Texas

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at the Cinema West Plano, and
I watched all nine Star Wars films in

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twenty four hours, All nine,
all nine of them Skywalker Saga films,

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all of them. I watched all
of them. Wow wa wah, wah

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wah, you watched them? Wait, sorry, Kenny, here we go.

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You mean with like breaks and you
got to go to sleep between them?

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There there were breaks. I gotta
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between each movie, and then between
each trilogy was a thirty minute break,

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which went by extremely fast, which
is wild. I mean, the whole

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event went by surprisingly fast because you
watched. Can't we count a few exceptional

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movies, a few pretty good films
and really bad what I realized and you

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probably already know this a lot better
than I do, But all of the

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Star Wars movies are interesting. That's
true. All of them have, whether

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it's the prequels where I'm I mean, as we talked about already this year,

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are so poorly executed, but there's
like there's little seeds of ideas that

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are interesting and examine it. And
I know that we're always like being real

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bullies. But also even like last
week when we were talking Andrea, if

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we're talking about like moments of Rise
Skywalker that we liked, there's always stuff

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there's like yeah, it is like
there's interesting stuff in it. I'm sure

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it was like a pretty extraordinary experience. Okay, but it's still bad.

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It's still bad, but it's a
pretty extraordinary experience. Not only is it

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bad, it got worse. Oh
okay, I take it all back.

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Well, what about it? It
feels And I think I texted this to

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you already. Rise of Skywalker,
especially in such close especially in such close

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proximity to last Jedi, feel so
mean to that movie in a way that

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none of the I don't know,
there are certainly more cruel films out there.

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Harmony Koreane's Gummo comes to mind,
a movie that I never want to

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watch ever again. Mean movies.
What's a mean movie? Nothing? What's

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a mean movie? With you?
I feel like, yeah, I feel

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like I've watched films before where I
was like, this is just a cruel

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film. I'll think about him.
I think an example that you had or

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one of our friends had pulled up. I think it was either Tyler Bryce

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or Emily Bryce love Oh yes,
talking about your ass world. But that

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movie is not cruel. It has
moments of cruelty as opposed to watching Rights

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of Skywalker, which if you like
that movie, look good, on you.

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But my experience, especially at the
end of a twenty four hour movie

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marathon, where there's such love for
things and care, but there is never

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something within the first five minutes that
like within two within the first five minutes,

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there are already two ret coons,
yeah, three ret cons of your

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counting Emperor Palpatine coming back somehow he
returned? What? But then being like

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Snooke is clone and then also Ray
is a has actual parents that you should

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pay attention to so bad, And
then also watching Carrie Fisher's copy pasted performance,

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Oh yeah, ghoulish, ghoulish,
nasty times nasty nasty, and you

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see them like crafting the script between
lines that they have on camera, and

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it feels ugly. It's which I
don't mean to overblow the Rise of Skywalker

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experience, because like it was such
a lovely, wonderful experience that has been

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I don't know, if you know, the Star Wars turns fifty in three

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years, and I don't know.
I don't do research. Sure great,

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and I strongly, especially for someone
that loves Star Wars so much, I

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have a sneaky suspicion that they'll do
this marathon again. And at least to

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do like the six together in a
theater in such close proximity. Well,

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I have a question for you.
Yes, do we think that you're actually

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secretly you think that Star Wars is
actually better than Star Trek, given that

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you sacrifice so much of your time. I will not be pausing for your

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answer. I'm saying it. Actually, this is a statement. Studies have

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shown that if you go to Plano, Texas, that you must be going

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for no other reason than because you
love Star Wars more than anything in this

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world. So that's thank you so
much, thank you so much. That's

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my question. I love your work. I hope I get an A in

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this class. Ah yeah, secret
love. Okay, I win everybody.

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This podcast has a bit of success. Star Wars is better. You're not

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gonna see me showing giving up my
sleep for Star Trek, and I think

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that proves something. It proves something. How are you? I'm I'm sleepy,

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and I'm doing great. I'm doing
great. Wait, I told you

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I was. You were like we
could skip, and I was like,

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that's so nice. But I'm so
bored. I can't leave my house.

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I can't leave my sick bedroom,
my sick room. I must do something.

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Are you okay with me being loopy
as fuck? And you said yes,

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I did, that's true, you
said yes. Anyways, I went

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to the Star Wars marathon watched all
nine movies. There was an exquisite experience.

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I would recommend for anyone that is
a Star Wars fan try it.

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Try it. It is just I
don't know. I had a fun time

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throughout the entire thing. Whether it
was the ironic detachment, appreciation for the

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prequels, you could feel it.
You could feel the audience like there was

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there was call and response stuff that
was going on during the prequels that was

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fair, that was really really fun. And then whenever the original Star Wars

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pops on, you can feel I
could feel the tonal s shift slowly from

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the ironic detachment to just being like
Star Wars rules and a little bit more

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reverence into the original trilogy happens.
That's great. And then Force Awakens a

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good portion of the audience left,
whoa, well it was also midnight.

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Oh yeah as well, Force Awakens. I like that movie a lot more

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now cool because I'm watching it just
without expectations, just like, this is

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what this movie is. It's a
fun ass Movie Man, and then Last

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Jedi Rules, and then there's also
a Rice of Skywalker, which is just

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a ugly movie. But you know
who's not ugly asmen? Me? Oh,

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who are patrons? Oh? And
me? We're beautiful, so pretty

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wow. We've got We've got some
correspondence from Arizona Mark as well as feel

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yat uh Arizona Mark praises are Andrea
Tomorrow Walton for coming on our last episode

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saying a d M w ft W
as well as I didn't know Coach Beard's

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book Club changed the name to Lasso
Cast because I wrongly said that Andrea hosted

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my tep Lasso podcast Lasso Cast.
Andrea hosts Coach Beard's book Club. I'm

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pretty sure I thoroughly covered at the
end if he got there. Also Userphilia,

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I'm not entirely sure who that is
said portrait of a Vulcan on fire

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in regards to the Enterprise incident.
It's Sjoel. I know because he said

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to me, oh, it's my
partner. Uh, she said what he's

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the one who said that. That's
his comment. What do you want me

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to do? What? I was
just expecting you to play the clapping like

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you always do. It's called behavioral
conditioning. Also from Arizona Mark. On

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the Spock's Brain Versus Ambush episode,
he says, Matt Smith also my doctor.

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When I went to a test screading
of Terminator Genesis where Matt Smith plays

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the villain, my comment on the
survey after was needs more Matt Smith.

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I don't disagree with that statement.
I feel like we all feel that way.

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Yeah, there's just a huge contingent
of people that's like, put more

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Matt Smith in everything. I agree. The man is good, he's funny,

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he's a great actor. And also
he has a weird face, and

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I think that works so well and
it gives him a strange attractiveness. You

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know who else has a weird face? Assen me, got weird face?

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Weird? I was gonna say general
grievous. Oh you know what, you

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know what I'd say, what I'd
say, don't be rude, don't be

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rude. He was blown up and
then he was put into a back to

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tank where he and then he was
then put back together as a weird guy.

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He's just a weird guy. He
is just a weird guy. Listen,

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listen. He can't help it.
Did you know that this is the

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first episode that names are like the
first appearance of the name of back to

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Tank. Obviously this isn't the first
appearance of that. No, mm hmmmm

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hmm. It's true. I know
that because I watched it. It's not

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that I watched it thirty minutes ago. I watched it for sure when I

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was supposed to Uh, they said
back to Tech because because the ill we'll

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get into it. Obviously we haven't
even gone into the descriptions, but there's

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there's like a medical facility and there
they need to save these clothes to the

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medical facility to talk about a lot
of them, the back to Tanks,

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And I went, wait a second, have I like named that before?

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And then I looked it up and
the Internet was like, obviously back to

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Tanks have appeared because it's you know, it's what Luke's in an empire,

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except for this is the first time
it's name. Uh. Speaking of naming

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things, Aspen, would you be
so kind as to give us a synopsis

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of Shadow of Malevolence, not Destroy
My Levelence, Not Destroy My Levolence,

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an episode which we will cover next
week. Okay, well, if you

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want to talk about it now too, I'm ready. I would No,

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it's because it's like this, it's
this three episode dark it's rising the level

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and shadow on my levels and destroy
malevolence, yes, and some of these.

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Yeah, it's like malevolence, the
concept or malevolence. The ship that

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looks like a big as shark.
Okay, Shadow of Malevolence TV episode October

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tenth, two thousand any written by
Stephen Milching again David Floni, oh,

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Dave Floni is an additional dialogue okay, and then directed by Brian Kaylin O'Connell.

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Cool, great job, Brian,
you're doing great. Okay, the

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malevolence has been revealed to the republic, if we recall from the last episode

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and again and the Shadow Squad,
which is a squad of Clone troopers accompanied

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by Asoka and Master Plocoon, launch
an attack in their new long range of

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y wing bombers. I just don't
know what will be your ship later on.

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I don't you took my ship less
time. You can't take my ship

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this time. They look like a
little fucking like a tuning fork, and

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I love them for it. Well, my little tuning fork babies, or

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like like a sling shot. I
love them. I love them. Basically

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they have to rescue Uh yeah,
they have to rescue this medical facility that

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is taking care of like sixty thousand
injured soldiers. And he was trying to

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get there first to blow them all
up because he is he's listen, we

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should be me into his face.
But he's a real piece of shit.

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He's a he's a piece of garbage. Yeah, he was like he made

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like a very clear statement, like
at one point, uh, what happens,

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Oh, he like knocks a droid's
head off, and uh Douku's like,

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I wouldn't do that. That's expensive, and he's like he's talking about

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how we like the that's very interesting, but it's a set up, the

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fact that they're like, we don't
give it even though they're expensive, we

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don't give a shit about these,
But they do give a shit about their

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troops because they're real human beings and
a real hero, real human being and

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a real hero, real Calm Biggs
anyway, So that's why they care so

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much about that being blown up.
Speaking of Gainty, blown up, the

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episode of this week of Star Trek
is the Paradise Syndrome blown Up Captain Kirk,

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written by Margaret Arman with Arthur H. Singer uncredited, directed by jud

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Taylor and aired September ninth, nineteen
sixty eight. From the press release MENBC.

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Captain Kirk is wed on Star Trek. An asteroid hurdles toward a planet

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on which Captain Kirk has married a
beautiful member of a tribe, oblivious to

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their impending doom. Guest star Sabrinas
Sharp portrays Miramani Miramani, wife of Captain

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Kirk, and Rudy Solari guest stars
as Salish. A jealous suitor. Spock

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fails in his efforts to destroy the
asteroid. It return to the planet with

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only hours remaining until it's destruction.
He attempts to decipher the coded instructed left

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on an ancient temple by the preservers, those who left the civilization there centuries

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before. Cool, so cool.
What's right about this episode is that it

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is aged discrete perfectly, I would
say, and that beautiful. Along with

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the problematic elements, I think this
is just an air tight script for Star

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Trek where everyone is behaving to the
top of their intelligence. I would say

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my favorite part of it is that
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they square they square off Kirk's sideburns. Yeah, they give him little wig

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sideburns, little wig sideburns. And
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like a mustache, better better than
like wearing glasses. Absolutely, just square

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off them sideburns. Yeah, you
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points for you know, next week. Yeah what what? Sorry? How

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much time is? I was like
a long ass has fifty eight days?

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month collision course to the planet,
and they say that it's they've only got

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months, the planet is going to
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I watch it feels it look I
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there are elements of this thing that
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sense that fifty eight days pass and
yet everyone and not only that, but

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how time passes that. McCoy literally
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passed, and cy burns. But
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the observer, looking at the preserver. Obaisk. Yeah, McCoy says,

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you need to knock it off,
chill out. We cut to a scene

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of Kirk, and then we cut
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and McCoy come again and going,
fifty eight days have passed and you

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still haven't chilled out, Kenny,
Okay, I feel much less insane.

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Like I genuinely was like, you're
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Like I was like, okay,
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yeah, my dude, two months
at least two months have passed.

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Who did this? And then who
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combination of Margaret Armand and Roddenberry.
Margaret Fred Freiberger is mostly innocent. Weeks

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have a sneaky he's the new showrunner. Okay, well who directed it?

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That's bad? That's bad direction,
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Star Trek that he's ever directed.
Jud at least show the passage of time

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at the ship, like how would
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maybe Spuck Yeah he gets a little
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little bush year Yeah, like,
oh how also the commanding officer of your

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Oh, Kenny, I know I
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There are other episodes where's a big
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operational questions that are then brought We
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sorry, the terribleness of something,
but the amount of operational questions that are

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just brought to light by making this
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happens over our two month period.
I was clearly so confused. I didn't

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even know I was confused. I
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know why, because I was distracted
by how much I didn't like it.

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Well, well, well you know
what. I did like the brown face

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It's great, love it, love
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its favorite fast times of putting people
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I just didn't like it all.
Yeah, okay, and the Star

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Trek yet again participating in these noble
savage it's but it's like it's it's literally

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because it's not like they end up
on some beautiful planet where it looks exactly

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like what was that. I looked
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very beautiful, and I was like, can I go there? Answers,

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Yes, it is in Los Angeles. It's very beautiful, and I will

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be going. Actually, whenever you're
there, you can remake this episode.

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I I want to tell you.
I want to tell you where it is

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filmed. This is the least important
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wants to go, because it was
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Reservoir in the Santa Monica Mountains.
Like genuinely beautiful, gorgeous, So why

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not, Like you've had plenty of
class in planets, like planets that had

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like similar types of spaces, but
like they go out of their way to

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be like not only is it like
exactly like Earth, Oh my god,

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look they're in they're indigenous people's exactly, like like native people's from like like

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northwest regions of like a combination of
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forget who exactly is either Stan Robertson, the NBC executive or Robert Jusman.

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It was like, could we make
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were just like now, I mean
there's a whole Yeah, there's a whole

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bunch of stuff. There's not a
whole bunch of stuff. It's just the

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weird. I guess some props for
like recognizing people as like individual groups as

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opposed to just like, no,
no, it could have just been a

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collective of people. But yeah,
like it didn't have to be fucking like

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Earth indigenous peoples. And they have
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their way to explain why. And
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episode raises that the obelisk that cap
there's there's too much plot going. There's

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too much. There's too much that
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by a raise of a dead race
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planting life across the galaxy and also
saves indigenous that's the wrong word. Saves

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folks like these who happen to look
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and save them from trouble so they
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I've wondered why there were so many
human aids across the galaxy, and I

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was like, what the fuck are
you doing? It's the I I think,

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much like Rise of Skywalker, answering
questions that the Internet would have been

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having as opposed to people that are
just much like Pet Holmes in a magic

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show. They're in the front row. They want to believe. Yeah,

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I don't give a ship if it's
magnets or not. Yeah, I mean,

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if you're really gonna do that,
do something cool with it, be

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like next episode now we like me
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know if it's a concept that's interesting. I guess if you're not being like

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really colonialist about it. What We'll
get to this again in next generation.

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Oh but like in a cool way
sort of Okay, it's left to you

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to decide if it is cool.
Okay, but like in a not stupid

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not it's not like this. It's
got like a fun little journey. It's

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written by like this like this like
this, uh for for people that are

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not on the Patreon. That's my
new Star Trek sound effects after after last

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week being like I need more Star
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So and then that's just that's just
one plot line. That's the mechanic that

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gets Kirk to have amnesia so he
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these indigenous people. That kind of
worshiped this obelisk for the preservers. But

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ostensibly they were transported there by the
preservers, So wouldn't they be aware of

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the preservers' spend generations it's passed on
into legend. Yeahs, so that we

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can treat them like their children.
Meanwhile, the beginning of this episode frames

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it as just Tahiti syndrome. Captain
Captain Kirk is tired, I mean,

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and he's looking at this place and
he's just like, boy, sure would

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be great to have a vacation here. I don't know, like there's so

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much going on. It's so dense. Every single image has so much going

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on here. I will say again
sometimes I use you as my note taking

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because I did watch the right episode
of I'm So Sorry, and I did

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say I feel like this is the
one thing I do identify with, which

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is, hey, oh I don't
know what I said. Oh I said.

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No, here's here's what I said
to you. Here we go,

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Why indigenous there's people? What the
fuck? Though I relate strongly to wanting

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to just vibe in the woods,
I really do. I was like,

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I want to go to wherever this
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just sit next to water and vibe. Should we just go into deep dive

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and exploit, explod the behind the
scenes. Know what about our first impressions

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of Clone Wars. Oh, it
was a great episode. I enjoyed it

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very much, Kenny Kenny. Yeah, every time I've watched Clone Wars,

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Yeah, recently, m hmm,
I've thought to myself, which is frequently

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a little too frequently, I've thought
to myself, you thought that you were

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going to change your mental name to
Clone Wars. I keep thinking, shit,

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I love this so much, like
I think when people are like,

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I want something to feel like Star
Wars, where I just want to feel

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adventure and I want to feel like
love and kindness and people working together.

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And also I want my Star Wars
vibes and I want all my shit like

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watch Clone Wars. Watch it.
It's so good. Also, there's a

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lot of battle stuff because it is
by a definition that Colone Wars. Clone

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Wars does rule. Yes, absolutely, it's just fun. It's doing its

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own thing. And if you just
recalibrate yourself unlike how we recalibrated ourselves for

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e Woks and droids, or of
recalibration. Oh, yeah, this show

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just functions. It's just a good
show. Yeah, it's a genuinely good

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show that has great acting. Great
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like again, I know, I
know the animation. I know animated throws

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people off. I think also the
animation itself. People might look at it

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now and be like, oh,
but like already a couple of EPs in

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and I'm like, this is great, this is beautiful. Like I have

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no complaints in terms of like if
the animation style looks older or like,

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I don't know. We all watched
original Toy Story and we don't complay.

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We don't. But also this show's
depicting people toy stories, depicting toys for

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the moment people. And also sit
In Andy Andy, Andy, he's a

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boy, and Sid's a demon and
Nickin is just a little boy. No,

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and this he's nineteen. Really it's
stud stud and Ahsoka's fourteen. Don't

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say anything weird brain tails. Do
you know she's got those lequs just got

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the leku If you notice that she
has like these little like teeth up there,

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like they'll there's like some animal on
the planet that they'll hunt and they'll

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take the teeth and like turn them
into like little headdresses and stuff. I

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did not notice that. That's exciting. Yeah yeah, man, you know

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I do know she's out here being
cool. Yeah you rad and like me

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ranking Rising Malevolence last week. I
think this is another episode that does exactly

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what it says it's going to do
on the box, but more because we

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get some space battles, which I
love some space battles. We get good

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star Trek to reference by going through
the Nebula. Okay, you go through

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the Nebula, they encounter some great
space mantis his But you know what they

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also do, Kenny, do you
know what they do? They sell shadow

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Malevolence. Just checking my notes there
shadow. Yeah, They're like, I'm

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curious what you do for a job? Can I shadow you for the day?

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Can I just like see, I
think we've misunderstood so well, you

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know, we'll get to it.
But you know, yeah, they they're

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they're trying to get there before the
Malevolence does. They take a shortcut through

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the Nebula. Beautiful, beautiful bit. It's it called scene thing, you

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know when like a thing that's a
thing trans No, no set piece,

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a set piece. It's a great
set piece, thank you, great set

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piece being in that nebula. They
do get there around the same time the

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Malevolence shoots an ion ray at them
and they go over it. And I

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just need so many times I'm like, you're in space, why not go

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down? You can go down up. There's like gonna be another episode where

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that's basically like the maneuver they make
it that gets soaka maneuver, it's like,

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why not go down? I'm just
like, yeah, just go down.

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Just why not go down? Why
not? You have it? It's

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by definition it is space space.
You have space and then go up or

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go down. There's a hospital ship
that you can see right over there.

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You see the ships going up.
You could go down to You could do

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whatever you want to go down anyone. You can go around, you can

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go around whatever you want to do. You do that. You're a strong

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independent woman. You can go down. You are and people can go down

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on you. Girl Boss, go
down, just ask them for it.

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And if you want to go down, you do that too. Enthusiastic girl

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Boss, go up down, girl
Boss Gate keep gaslight, you do it?

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Can't I got you? Yes?
Just Kenny so good. Anyway,

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I like that part. We get
we get some the Well you mentioned this

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earlier. The battle droids are expensive, so we're starting to see some actual

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economics in play within Star Wars outside
of credits don't work here, or this

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ship costs fifteen or you want some
death sticks? You don't want to sell

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me death sticks. Yeah, it's
there's there's an actual economic cost to the

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war that is being established by going
the battle droids are expensive. It's a

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tiny line, but it's just unexpected. Do we know who pays for things?

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Primarily? I guess there's the banking
clan. Yes, that's it.

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Like, there's there's a lot of
like is Dooku like or is like Palpatine?

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Like? Are they little like Nepo
babies? Like do they just have

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like hordes of wealth? Like?
Did they do they have liquidity? Like?

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Do they invest in like a lot
of really good like stocks? I

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mean the answer is in Last Jedi
with all those people, Yeah, are

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at the casinos. But so sorry
that that sequence is long for you.

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Sorry, that is unnecessary to show
literally an important aspect of this entire galaxy.

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That's right. Fuck by addressing the
neoliberal forces that are at work has

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been am I used to Yes,
one Hundo percent, and how there is

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a fine line between unfuttered neoliberalism and
fascism. Yes, you are correct.

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Yeah, well I'm just curious because
he does say the thing. He's like,

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they're expensive, and it's like,
well, you seem to be churning

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them out, and they also seem
to be also a little bit expendable.

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Yes, expensive, but expendable,
Like he says it, almost like a

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dad, a rich dad who like
watches his little Dudley esque child like break

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a expensive toy and he's like,
Muffy, that was expensive, but then

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he just gets a new one.
Yeah, that's the vibe. He is

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a count that implies wealth behind it. Some money, he's got money.

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What if he's just bankrling the whole
thing? He could be Maybe that's why

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Palpatine went One of the reasons why
Palpatine went after Jucu. Stop it he

404
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.519
does it? Oh, I love
this. I love this. Okay,

405
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.880
it's probably actual like cannon somewhere,
but I like this US. I'm sure,

406
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.119
but actual can is something like I
don't know. He sensed a force

407
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.760
with the medi Chlorians and went after
some technical monsters and then went to a

408
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.760
planet that has like a v and
a z in it and then encountered some

409
00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:00.920
dark Jedi and happened to meet Duku
there. Because we do know like where

410
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.280
Douku's path starts, we just don't
know why Palpatine got him. Yep,

411
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.800
because tails of the Jedi ed a
mixer. Oh my god, they went

412
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.639
to his singles mixer. They were
like the apps, the apps are just

413
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.199
not working for I'm pretty sure I've
shipped and Palpatine, Yeah, you did,

414
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.599
you did, you did. That's
good. Speaking of ships, we

415
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:32.280
got to do a deep dive real
quick. Yeah. Uh so in watching

416
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.800
the special features for Star Wars the
Clone Wars, I learned that the malevolences

417
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:45.400
pattern after the Bismarck. Same more. Okay, so are you familiar with

418
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.559
sync the Bismark that that whole thing? Hmm, okay, is that is

419
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.480
that? Wait? Is it is
a German? Yes, German ship,

420
00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:00.039
Yes, a German ship that floats
on water. Yes, okay, I

421
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.639
want to make sure it wasn't like
a Zeppelin it is wait, the Bismarck.

422
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.920
Yes, way, Oh my god, I'm going down down into the

423
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:12.320
coming, going into the memory.
Okay, world War one, world War

424
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.800
one, world War two, I'm
thinking of autob Yeah, it's named after

425
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.920
Autobus Okay okay Okay, at least
in the limited amount of research that he

426
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:29.039
did about the Bismarck, was responsible
for a German reunification. Yes, late

427
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:34.599
eighteen nineties. Anyways, the Bismarck
was a pride of the German Navy and

428
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:42.159
was the most expensive, biggest,
fastest battleship that had ever been built.

429
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:49.199
Cool and so Folony and crew were
just like that, we're doing that.

430
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:55.800
And if that's the their pattern,
that their pattern patterning. It's the pattern

431
00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:02.880
the Malevolence after the Bismarck, in
terms of its qualities and the things that

432
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.280
are around it. I don't know
what's going to happen next episode. I

433
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.480
would not be surprised to it followed
some of the narratives in regards to Bismark.

434
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:17.599
I don't I would not know what
happens in the next episode because I

435
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:23.880
didn't accidentally watch that one. Instead, that would be something only a feverish

436
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:31.639
person would do. Also, the
designers, the intent of the designers and

437
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:38.280
designing Malevolence. The Malevolence is a
modified episode three design uh uh you know

438
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:44.920
a ship? And then the designers
also went this isn't quite right. Let's

439
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.400
add because it's not imperial, because
the Republic's going to be the empire,

440
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:54.000
We're going to make the Malevolence with
my Calamari stuff. Yeah, to indicate

441
00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.920
the separatists kind of transforming into the
rebellion later. And I think they designed

442
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.039
it with a mon Calamari shell based
off of designs from Return of the Jedi

443
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.480
and then also apparently building him the
Malevolence for the team was a lot of

444
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:16.599
work. Yeah. Cool Again,
these folks are working so cheaply. They're

445
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:21.480
designing Star Wars stuff every single week. I wouldn't be surprised if the Malevolence

446
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.360
trilogy was just to get more bang
for their buck, because the Malevolence is

447
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:29.320
such a big asset great, and
also I think it was Henry Gilroy described

448
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:35.480
General Grievous in this episode as General
Grievous goes after the ambulance, which is

449
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.519
to say, just an indication of
what his character is in terms of just

450
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.679
his complete viciousness. He don't care. He just wants to destroy things.

451
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:54.159
He's a real stinker his He's like, ooh, those people are dying or

452
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.360
those people are vulnerable, which is
what you mean by the ambulance and he

453
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:12.920
is just likes more like I want
to kiddle them more. It's half Collem.

454
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:19.639
I got him, he'll be besties. I yeah, it's it's so

455
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.760
cool. It looks like a shark, looks like a fucking shark. It's

456
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:28.039
a great design. I absolutely lot
it. Uh, you know it's not

457
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.400
so great. The Paradise syndrome,
Oh my god, I forgot we have

458
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.760
the only the only reason that this
thing made it to air is because rotten

459
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:45.679
Berry just took it on as one
of his noble causes. What what he

460
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.719
was like, I believe in this
writer, Margaret Armand, which okay,

461
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:57.960
the last episode that she wrote was
The Famous Gamestress of Driskellion, which is

462
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:05.039
an episode there's some fun things in
it, Yeah, but it's not exactly

463
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.719
the best episode of Star trek Uh
And roden Berry is just like she's doing

464
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.880
great work. She's extremely agreeable,
she's got a lot of potential. I'm

465
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.159
going to stand up for this episode. And the co producer Bob Jusman is

466
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.320
like, I don't really like this
episode. And I think Fred Freiberger also

467
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.199
is just like, this episode you
use some work, Rod, And the

468
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.679
NBC executive is like, haven't we
kind of done stuff like this before.

469
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:37.639
Yeah, let me let me.
Let me read Bob Justman's vicious takedown of

470
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:45.599
this episode. I love this aspen. Okay, well, can we just

471
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.440
put a pin in a thought I'm
having? Yeah, so it doesn't go

472
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.960
away? Okay, there you go, pin thought, pin thought, pin

473
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:57.199
thought, Thank you from a memo
Bob J. Justman, as depicted in

474
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:02.239
These are the Voyages TS Season three
by Mark Cuschman. Mm hmm. I

475
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.920
just can't seem you to get excited
about it. In regards to the Paradise

476
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.079
syndrome. Perhaps it is because there
are some strong trace elements of ideas which

477
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.480
we have used in previous shows.
Here we go asmen, you're ready.

478
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.320
Some of those ideas are primitive cultures
which correspond to or primitive cultures. Friday's

479
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.639
Child, the Apple Bred and circuses
in a private little war, Kirk and

480
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.320
Spock fighting hand to hand so that
one of them will be jarred back to

481
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.320
normality. Alock time a tote of
God which the primitive people pay respects to

482
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.000
the Apple, the tote of God
being in actuality, a surface representative of

483
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.719
an underground force left by a highly
developed civilization which had previously existed on this

484
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.880
planet, The Return to the Arkans
and the Apple Captain Kirk telling a lovely

485
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.400
primitive maiden that he has to leave
her and is going back up into the

486
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.440
sky. The Gamester Triscallion. There
is opportunity for sufficient action. There is

487
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.239
not too great an originality, but
we can mask that to some extent with

488
00:44:52.639 --> 00:45:00.559
stick. M Yeah, stick for
sure. Here's okay. That's so?

489
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.960
Is that like direct quote? Like
he said those things. He was like,

490
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.119
here, I've got my receipts.
Yes, he was like, this

491
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:16.280
is bad. I appreciate the idea
of Roden Mary being like, I support

492
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:24.000
this writer, particularly because it's not
another white dude writer. Yeah, but

493
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:30.159
I think it is things like this
that does like set people up for failure,

494
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:37.079
like especially marginalized people. So then
you have so few writers who are

495
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.800
women on this show or on any
shows at the time. And even now,

496
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.280
yeah, Dorothy Fontana is gone.
She's left to do other things,

497
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.159
which makes sense because no one knows
that Star Trek is Star Trek yet even

498
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.400
and like even this writer what was
her name again, Margaret Armon, Margaret

499
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.760
Armand like she wrote for Bionic Women, like she writes a lot like she

500
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.440
she's successful, Like I was,
I was checking at them IMDb credits and

501
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:08.159
she's and I remember from Games Chick
Skelly and another episode and like where like

502
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.280
she's like she she goes on to
be successful. Great, it's good.

503
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.760
But if you if you are starting
from it, like, why not if

504
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.239
you believe in this person, be
like, let's like work on a different

505
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.199
idea and I want to support you
in this, yeah, like, or

506
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.119
let's take the bones of your idea
and let's do that as opposed to like

507
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.280
pushing something that you know isn't quite
up to snuff, thus putting her in

508
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:37.000
a position that is bad, like
it's gonna like potentially like I don't know

509
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.320
if she write other episodes after this. I actually don't know. I'm kind

510
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:45.719
of doing this as we go.
Yeah, yeah, because I was,

511
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:50.559
I didn't check other ones of hers. I just checked other shows that she

512
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.239
had worked on. Check Memory Alpha. Yeah. Oh yes, she's got

513
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.840
a couple more good okay, uh, which are oh and she goes into

514
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.800
the Oh how interesting she goes into
the animated series. Okay, then,

515
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.920
oh, I do remember that,
So maybe maybe I'm not like I'm just

516
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.800
talking out my ass and there's nothing
related to a bit worried about I think,

517
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.719
I think like that this statement remains
true, you know, like,

518
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.000
well, it's the Paradise syndrome and
the Cloud Minders is what she does.

519
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.880
Yeah, the Cloud Minders is the
twenty first episode of season three, and

520
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.039
then in the Uh she Does,
she has two apps in the animated series,

521
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:37.599
so mean's still have a ton and
And to indicate right again how forceful

522
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.599
Roddenberry is even though he's the executive
producer, which is basically he's kind of

523
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.880
out of the room. Fred Freiberger
and Arthur Singer, Fred Freiberger being the

524
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.519
showrunner and Arthur Singer his kind of
rewrite guy, his go to writer,

525
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.880
had discussed the story and had some
exciting new ideas. What if Kirk didn't

526
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.760
have amnesia? The old amnesia angle
used in movies and TV rarely rang true

527
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.039
anyway, and an erased memory diminished
the excitement of the story by relieving Kirk

528
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.719
of worry the difficulty the certain decisions
he would have to make. This episode

529
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:14.719
purports to be about an exploration in
Tahiti syndrome wanting to get away from command,

530
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:22.239
but it wipes Kirk of complete agency. Yeah, No, you're absolutely,

531
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:27.119
It's absolutely true. It feels so
bad. There's a much simpler episode

532
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:32.760
where Kirk gets lost or he gets
trapped on the preservers the preserved thing Spock

533
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:39.920
has to leave because there's an emergency. Yeah, and Kirk as Kirk just

534
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.880
has to chill out, right,
and he has to like adapt to what

535
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.920
that means for him and have to
go through the struggles of as a person

536
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.760
who's like, here is my responsibility? What I mean because that's shown up

537
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.679
a couple of times, that's suit
up a lot, right, like in

538
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.400
his moments of like what would it
look like for me to truly be in

539
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:07.079
love? Yeah, Like you know, when I've chosen the ship, I've

540
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.480
chosen to be a captain, Like
that's happened before, Like yeah, and

541
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.800
I mean, I guess you know
what it does happen. It happens in

542
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.679
city on the edge of forever,
still in relation to a job that he's

543
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:23.599
going to do because he has to
save the timeline versus. There's an exciting

544
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:31.280
germ of an idea where this idea
from Freiberger and Singer, what if he

545
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:36.480
just chills out on this planet.
He's forced to chill out because for fifty

546
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:45.360
eight days. Yeah, and then
he experiences this life completely with agency.

547
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:50.719
Yeah, I mean I would feel
a lot effing better. But then Roddenberry

548
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.320
of Pipes and is like, no, he specifically, he specifically goes,

549
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:58.880
watch out about all those ideas that
you want to bring in. They might

550
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:04.719
actually muck up this script, okay, And I'm like, my guy,

551
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:10.639
my guy. The script is all. The final draft that she dropped in

552
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:16.199
was around seventy two pages. Their
shooting scripts are around sixty pages, and

553
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:20.320
so they still had to cut stuff
out. And this is such a plot

554
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:27.440
heavy script that is making allusions to
it exploring themes. But yeah, well

555
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:37.079
speaking of agency too, I mean
I don't really expect much, but you

556
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:43.400
know, I don't I don't like
Okay, let's think about this for a

557
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:47.119
second. Are you about to talk
about MERMANI yeah, yeah, yea yeah.

558
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.679
Yeah. Also another thing that was
changed. Yeah, I don't know

559
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:53.800
if you know this. She gets
fridged at the end. Yo, I

560
00:50:54.199 --> 00:51:02.440
do, and she's pregnant. The
original ending was they have the baby and

561
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:08.519
Kirk leaves. Anyways, I mean
that's kind of oh my god, it's

562
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:13.480
at least like honest, you know. Yeah, And Roddenberry was going to

563
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.199
the mat for that, but that
got changed, and I think that's a

564
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.559
little bit for the better because that
would make Kirk into a deadbeat dad.

565
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.039
Well, he has a choice.
I mean, it would make sense consistently,

566
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.800
I mean it. But also this
episode is just bad to begin with.

567
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:37.760
It's bones nine. Oh my god, someone ah okay if okay,

568
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:45.440
okay. Well, the story as
it stands, there's an interesting sort of

569
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.519
it's just like that relationship. I
wish I could talk about Shadow in Elevenlence

570
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:55.519
with the art with the precision that
I am talking about in regards to this

571
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:01.920
this episode, because they're shadow of
Levelence is just a fun yarn, great

572
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.119
action set pieces you kind of explore. We'll move into the commonality. It's

573
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:13.440
both episodes talk about some aspect of
command. Yes they do. Yeah,

574
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:17.559
you're right, we'll get into that. Yeah you get I mean yeah.

575
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.760
That is part of a three episode
arc in which a battle is happening,

576
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.000
a battle, a battle is happening, and you will see those in Clone

577
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:34.440
Wars because it is by nature Clone
Wars, and it's wars, so many

578
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:40.760
wars. It's in the title twice
everywhere Star Wars, Clone wars, and

579
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.639
there's plenty to be explored there.
But you're right, it's like we have

580
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.760
beautiful things, interesting things that happen, and interesting character things that happen.

581
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.440
It's shorter less can happen in the
twenty two minutes versus the like fifty minutes

582
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:59.079
of Star Trek. Not necessarily.
I mean, I'm sure that we're going

583
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.719
to be getting into it extremely complex
things much later down the line, but

584
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.760
we're also still palette setting for the
Yeah. In fact, the show is

585
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:09.159
as opposed to the third season of
Star Trek, which she knows what it

586
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.840
is sort of and is doing like
three or four different episodes a plot all

587
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.719
in one episode, because you've got
Kirk having amnesia and being like, what

588
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:23.199
if he's got this completely different light
life? Okay, but it's weird because

589
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:27.440
most of the episode is him being
like, but who am I God?

590
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:32.960
Clearly? Yeah, well, and
what's what's bad about it? Sorry?

591
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.119
You were talking about me and mine? So Marrormney, I think I'm trying

592
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:43.920
to like imagine how you could change
it to make her not seem like a

593
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:52.239
dumb dumb because I think you might
run the risk, like let's let's use

594
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.480
the like Okay, he doesn't have
amnesia. Well, now your structure of

595
00:53:54.559 --> 00:54:00.400
having like indigenous people's like and we're
treating them like their children almost feels like

596
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:06.159
even worse if he were to like
then engage in a romance with her like

597
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:13.039
it feels it just does like my
stomach feels bad talking about it. Just

598
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:20.039
just straight up to have her attraction
to him like her her attraction is actually

599
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:24.000
based initially in duty. Right,
he doesn't have any memory. And not

600
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.800
only that, but she doesn't like
the guy that she's about to marry,

601
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.800
the existing medicine man. Does she
not like him? No? Because they

602
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:35.239
have that exchange? Oh right,
he says, like, if you know,

603
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.119
would you still want to Yeah,
she's clearly like and she she ends

604
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:45.320
up clearly like liking Kirk a lot. But I like Kirk? Why do

605
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:51.079
you marry him? I'll do it? You do it? Cool? Okaty.

606
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.159
So the whole tradition is that she's
like the daughter of the chief,

607
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:00.960
and she's because she's the daughter.
Oh, she's like the she is the

608
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:08.920
what's her title? But she's supposed
to marry the like person who's in charge

609
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:14.280
of the medicine, which and she's
a little too close to a medicine man,

610
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.880
and Kirk is bestowed that honor.
It's taken away from the other dude

611
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:24.480
because he uses CPR to revive a
child. So now she has to,

612
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.400
by duty and rules, marry him. But then they also fall in love,

613
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:36.519
and I think, to the episode's
credit two, there like they have

614
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:43.480
good chemistry. And while it is
very clearly gross in every single way,

615
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:49.119
like at least his sort of like
naive joy does seem to match with hers

616
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.679
as opposed to him coming in and
feeling like he typically does, which is

617
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.679
someone who has so much more power
than the women that he is with.

618
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:02.079
And so for that reason, I
don't hate it necessarily, Like I think

619
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:07.119
it feels a lot less manipulative than
it usually does. Like you take a

620
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:12.239
Gamesters Do you take a Gamester's of
trick Kelly, which feels bad you take

621
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.239
any other time that he has been
Like I mean, I know we talk

622
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.559
about Kirkschrift, but I've watched that
man manipulate women with kisses a lot lately,

623
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.920
and at least in this one,
he truly feels them kisses. Yeah,

624
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:28.280
Like, so I guess there's that, and then she's fucking killed at

625
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:34.119
the end, she's literally stoned to
death. Yeah, it's awful. Well,

626
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.840
Kirk is getting stoned the exact same
way, but because he survives,

627
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.519
he's a pregnant lady. He's not
a pregnant lady. Now what did I

628
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.119
look up for you? Oh?
You were like when was CPR invented?

629
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.280
I looked it up, so a
real quick thing. So this is sixty

630
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.079
eight, nineteen sixty eight, So
I did look it up, and they're

631
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:58.039
basically as it's come in sort of
like pieces, like first people try it

632
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.400
out, you know, this certain
kind of math and going through. But

633
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.639
it wasn't until the twentieth century that
the wider metal cook community started to recognize

634
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.639
and promote artificial ventilation, the form
of mouth to mouth resuscitation combined with chess

635
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.119
compressions of following things like cardiac arrest. The combination was first seen in nineteen

636
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:21.159
sixty two training video called the Pulse
of Life show CPR on TV. And

637
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.079
it's still a little bit of a
magic trick. Yeah, so the fact

638
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:27.159
that like it happened in sixty eight
is actually kind of a you're right,

639
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.920
like it's actually a really big deal. And yeah, and that was the

640
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:35.639
prevailing wisdom for a while, right, you do mouth to mouth, you

641
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.800
do chess compressions now, of course, just so everyone knows. I think

642
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.840
that's you just really have to do
chest compressions, and you just have to

643
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:51.679
do them consistently, literally until someone
arrives. Never stop. Wow, But

644
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:57.199
you don't have to do mouth to
mouth. I circle Kirks and difference sucks.

645
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:04.199
Have him have Tahati syndrome faster?
These are advanced and peaceful tribes.

646
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:10.280
It's pretty rough. Oh, talking
about the Molkikans, Navajo, and Tahiti,

647
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.800
Spock says, oh, yes,
those are the three of the advanced

648
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:21.320
and peaceful tribes. Oh. Also
about how stupid Spock is in this episode.

649
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.760
He's a fucking moron. Also,
I did not hear him say that.

650
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:31.280
So yeah, as opposed to the
other indigenous groups, which are clearly

651
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.719
not peatful. The only reason that
this episode needs to happen over the course

652
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.199
of two months is for Kirk to
get married and have Miramani be pregnant.

653
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.559
So something can happen with that plotline. That's it. Yeah, So Spock

654
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:51.199
pushes the engines to the limits to
catch an asteroid that is two months away

655
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:57.320
from destroying a planet, and then, in stupid fashion, doesn't listen to

656
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.360
the chief engineer breaks them engine,
which is a real that's a Kirk move,

657
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:06.760
not a Spock move. Spock.
Spock would no, you know who

658
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.719
wouldn't have let that happen. DC. She would have come in and she

659
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.639
would have been like, it's me, Dorothy, Yeah, I understand Spock

660
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:20.280
better than all of you bozos.
Man would never do this, no,

661
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.000
which he's behaving so out of character. And then not only that, but

662
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.679
they're able to deflect the asteroid use
the preservers thing because Spock has been staring

663
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.519
at a screen for two months.
And then so the ship is going in

664
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:42.199
impulse all the way back to the
planet, but it's four hours ahead of

665
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:47.119
the asteroid. Okay, why can't
it send out a transmission? Is the

666
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:52.079
entire ship? Fried? Are there
other ships? How far away are away?

667
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:59.880
It's just raising so many questions,
stupid questions that don't make sense emotion

668
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:07.280
because I'm so fine with quote unquote
plot holes if it's guiding me emotionally,

669
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:13.760
or if it's exploring something like without
We've seen Spock being in command one other

670
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:20.119
time. I think like he's in
command command. That's Galileo seven. Yeah,

671
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:31.559
I like that episode, an episode
that my partner Heidi yay hat.

672
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.840
But we see Spock being a command
and what's his command style. He's extremely

673
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:43.000
a logical, cold calculated, He's
here famously here, he's behaving impulsively,

674
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:50.159
irrationally, and there are just too
many flaws in the main conceit to make

675
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.400
it make emotional sense to me.
As opposed to a real easy emotional fix,

676
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:59.400
which is without Kirk, Spock gets
oddly emotional. This is the equivalent

677
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:05.679
to me of Season four Community acting
like the Dean is just a gay sis

678
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:14.920
man just doesn't quite get so wait, this is this is really a bummer.

679
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:16.960
Do you want to talk again about
how Clone Wars is so good?

680
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:25.000
Yeah? Do you want to talk
about how in an episode about that's just

681
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:31.880
about a portion of a battle,
we get to see beautiful animation, interesting

682
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:38.480
dynamic uh tact like like tactics battle
tactics. We also get to care about

683
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:45.280
specific people, specific Clone Troopers again, we get to meet them Matchtick,

684
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:51.559
We get to see this Shadow Squadron. We get more plocon we get more

685
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:58.639
of the interaction between what was Shadow
Squadron. Shadow Squadron is the is the

686
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:05.239
group of clones that go on this
mission. What do they do? Shadow

687
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:17.119
the shadow, the malevolence with oh
they kill them klankas with with oh,

688
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.400
you're not gonna be it, You're
not gonna get me. They they are

689
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:30.599
take my walk lighter and clip it. Don't you take my retchord buddy and

690
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:37.880
nip it, spill the tea.
I'm gonna sip it my starship it your

691
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:43.800
motherfucker. They fly ships. Now, if ships ask me, what are

692
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.480
we doing right now? We're gonna
talk about our favorite starships, their favorite

693
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:57.719
star ships, our favorite what star
ships start, romance ships, romantic ships

694
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.360
as when would you like to go
first? I would like to talk about

695
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:08.400
my favorite starship, which they fly
If you'll note they fly now, they

696
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:15.480
fly now. They are flying those
why Wings now. Of course, what

697
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.800
is fun about a why Wing is
they are long distant wy Wing starfighters.

698
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:27.760
So I'm just gonna give a little
bit of a Star Wars description of it.

699
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.000
It's a workhorse starfighter has been used
since the Clone Wars, used for

700
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:38.519
dogfights and bombing runs against capital ships
and ground target let's see uh serving primaries

701
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:44.679
bombers, So relative lack of maneuverability
made them ill suited for dog What it

702
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.159
says ill suit for dog fighting,
but up here it says that they're for

703
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:52.519
dogfighting. Wow. Star Wars dot
Com. Wow, there's contradictions in the

704
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.719
Star Wars canon. Oh my god, I've never been done before. Oh

705
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.679
it says the skilled pilots could overcome
these limitations. Yeah right, let's see,

706
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:06.599
like whenever the y Wings are forced
to fly through Anakin shortcut and they're

707
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:14.079
going to a nest of knee braids, knee rais so what they were called

708
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.760
down? Oh braymantis. Knee bray
mantis. Knee braymantis. All right,

709
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:23.400
knee braymantis. I love them because
I did. I love their big mouths.

710
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:26.400
I should pick them. Actually,
this is his favorite element from this

711
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.320
episode. I think what's very interesting
is you know that they can so they

712
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:34.239
can go long distances, they can
do hyperdives, whereas Plocoon and his ship

713
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:38.599
had to use a hyperdrive assist.
I just wanted to point that out.

714
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.840
I love a hyperdrive assist though.
But yeah, they're great. They're just

715
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.360
like my little buddies. They're great. And I what I like is the

716
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:51.760
little domes, which is, uh, that's harding back to Rapacquory's original designs

717
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:56.679
because they have the little domes just
like the World War Two fighter ships.

718
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.280
Yeah, Soccer parks herself in there
and is just looking through the t and

719
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.559
I think I'm gonna reveal my biases. I love domes. I think domes

720
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:14.440
are cool. I love that for
you, And I love this little guy.

721
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:16.440
Yeah, it's got a cool little
dome. It's got a great shape,

722
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:23.440
it's got it's fantastic. There's a
beautiful battle and they go up and

723
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:28.039
around force fields. Speaking of going
up and around force field, is my

724
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:32.639
favorite shift from this episode is the
little medical frigates that go into the little

725
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:40.400
hospital section. I love those ships
are kind of tanty for rebel blockade runner

726
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:45.599
type looking things, but they're blockier. Yeah, I love it. They

727
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.079
they clearly have the tanty fore front, but then they just they're just blocky.

728
01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.119
They're just blocking. And I love
the shape. It's a weird,

729
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:58.679
unexpected design. I just like it. Did you notice that? Uh?

730
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:01.159
There was like it was like a
red ring around the top of like the

731
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:05.000
medical frigate, and they like created
that and it's like the same Republic red

732
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:10.159
and I was like, like the
like the red that's on the cruisers.

733
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:13.800
Yeah, and I was like,
good visual cue. Well not only that,

734
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.480
but uh, in watching the special
features for the Cold Wars, if

735
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.280
you were to look at that from
above, it's the actual Republic symbol.

736
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:31.119
Oh my god, I love that. That's great. Great choice, great

737
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:36.679
choice. Star Wars is great.
My secondary choice for best Starship are the

738
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:42.559
knee bray Mantis. I feel like
you could jump on their backs and you

739
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:46.440
could fly around on them if you
so chose. Talk. Can we talk

740
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:50.079
about their dumb mouths? Yeah?
Absolutely, they got dumb little teeth.

741
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:57.480
They're like, ah, they're great. And also clearly they're just in there,

742
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:02.920
like trying to just feast on gases, and there's like when is this?

743
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.440
Oh my god, please, why
are you here? Excuse me?

744
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:10.440
This Oka keeps me like this gotta
eat us. I'm like, ma'am,

745
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:16.840
no, no, I'm just gonna
hit you with him tails anyway. That's

746
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:20.760
my ah, yeah, that is, it's your starship, that's my starship.

747
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:25.119
Yeah. What about a romantic ship? Yes, what about a romantic

748
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:33.360
ship? Oh god, oh no, no, no, I don't want

749
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:45.960
to do it. You have to
oh too? Uh okay, okay,

750
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:55.400
I'm gonna pick Kirk and what's her
name? I know, I know it's

751
01:07:55.519 --> 01:08:00.559
Kirk and MEREMANI and I'm I'm gonna
just to find myself here we go.

752
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:05.159
It's it's because of what I said
before when I thought about it that,

753
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:11.320
like, I think it's one of
the first times, not one of the

754
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:13.760
first tims, like there have been
other times, but like for him to

755
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:20.279
come in with him having no agency
makes his storyline bad, really, but

756
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:26.960
it makes that romance feel far less
bad, yes, than it usually does.

757
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.159
Like, he does not have more
power over this woman than he typically

758
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.159
does. In fact, like he
does technically in the sense that they're like

759
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:40.079
a god or whatever, but like, and she does have a real submissive

760
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:45.439
bullshit thing to him. But at
least their like affection and love for each

761
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:53.760
other feels very pure and truly like
fun and joyful at times. What disregard

762
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:58.439
your purity of love? No,
I got a ship that's pure of love.

763
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:05.760
Okay, you ready, ready,
Kirk and McCoy, what this is

764
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.760
the moment you choose the Kirk and
McCoy, Yeah, because hey, slim

765
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:16.960
pickens okay, and b McCoy is
like, I don't care about an asteroid.

766
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.760
We got to find the Captain.
Spock is like, if we don't

767
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:25.760
deflect this asteroid, this planet will
die, and McCoy's like, I don't

768
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:29.880
care, No, we have to
find the captain. Tell me that's not

769
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:34.560
love, Aspen I have all along
talked about how they're all boyfriends. I

770
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.319
find it wild that this is the
moment and that you did it before I

771
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.880
could. I feel like I was
waiting, But we're running out of time.

772
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.399
So yeah, we only have this
season, also all the animated series,

773
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:53.840
and also four movies, six movies. Okay, I could have done

774
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.319
it later, I guess, but
you stole it from mix I did,

775
01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.720
and I think I'm right. He's
willing to let a tie your planet of

776
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.560
people die, Yeah, in order
to find his captain that much. I'm

777
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:10.920
into it. I'm with you.
That's real peer love. Yeah, I

778
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:18.039
agree. Yeah, therefore I ship
it, Okay, I stars ship it.

779
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:26.600
Yeah. Yeah. Such an anti
climactic sound effect that even I am

780
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.600
not liking it. Uh yeah.
Now, before we go to the main

781
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:33.399
conceit of our podcast, which is
which is better Star Trek or Star Wars,

782
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:35.520
I want to talk about the running
theme that I found here. I

783
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:41.279
want to talk about what Star Trek
thinks about the burden of command and what

784
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.439
Star Wars thinks about the burden of
command because we yeah, we didn't get

785
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.079
briefly talked about it. We didn't
get into this because you needed to make

786
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:57.000
your joke and surprise me, my
donkey, I have thoughts about this too.

787
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:04.800
Here we also, I'm fading you
start uh Anakin has to learn to

788
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:14.199
command and delegate command because he makes
a bad call. Yes he does.

789
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:19.840
He uses his days of being a
slave to take the y wings through a

790
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:26.439
nebula, which turns out to be
a nest for knee breys breeding or not

791
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.920
a breeding grat of FEEDI ground for
kneebreys, loses fighters and then is making

792
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.840
bad tactical calls left and right,
and the squadron we're losing a whole bunch

793
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:43.359
of shadow squadron. And he is
able to successfully be a leader by delegating

794
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.920
a good call to Ahsoka, who
I believe says, just go down,

795
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:55.399
and then they're able to successfully cripple
the malevolent Oh I thought, you know

796
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:57.640
how I said, I think there's
another one. There might be another one,

797
01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.920
but this also might have just been
the one that I was thinking for

798
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:06.000
they just go down because you could
just go down in space. Yeah.

799
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:11.199
But either way, Anakin is able
to, as opposed to the egotistical driven

800
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:15.520
leadership, is able to do actually
effective leadership by recognizing good ideas, using

801
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.960
those good ideas, and making sure
that folks execute that good ideas. Not

802
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:24.840
only that, but Anakin recognize that
confidence is a part of it. Even

803
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:30.840
if an idea isn't sound, confidence
is a driver. Compare that to the

804
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:34.000
birds sing in Star Trek. Please, I just wrote my notes. Anakin

805
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:39.520
necessarily he chooses the option that's about
the group and not just his own personal

806
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:44.479
glory. Yeah, so as supposed
to hear, whereas Spock is kind of

807
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:50.359
addicating command even though he's in command
and is singularly focused to looking at a

808
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:54.760
screen for the entire episode. And
then not only that, but Kirk,

809
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:03.560
being at this lakeside retreat with indigenous
Americans, is so glad to be free

810
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.760
of the burden of command. But
at the same time, whenever he gets

811
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:13.079
his memory back, is compelled to
do it. It's a burden. And

812
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.720
thinking about this because this was a
Gene Roddenberry pet project. He glumped onto

813
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:21.439
it so much. And if you
think about this through the lens of Gene

814
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:29.640
Roddenberry is a tired person that works
in TV, and his fantasy is to

815
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.439
go by the lake, find some
new, vile young woman and take advantage

816
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:40.319
of her. Oh god, god, man, he doesn't he doesn't want

817
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:43.359
to be in TV, but for
some reason, his ego is compelling him

818
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:51.159
to be in TV. Christ Command. Command is a compulsion. Huh woo?

819
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:58.239
Who which I mean? You see
that in the Menagerie where Pike and

820
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:00.560
it starts from the first pie,
where Pike is like, I don't want

821
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:05.720
to be in command. This sucks, but it's a compulsion. Surely,

822
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.920
surely there are peaks and troughs in
this, but at least within here.

823
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:17.199
And then the other textual example,
Okay, command is command sucks, but

824
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:23.279
but you're born to it, right
and and in fact, actually I think

825
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:30.840
there is a a piece here with
the Jedi. Surely not right before we

826
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:40.359
recorded, did I text you this? I was like, I'm sure there

827
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:44.680
is like a textual reason I've forgotten
or something. But I do find it

828
01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:53.319
interesting that upon the start of the
battle, the Jedi are generals and they

829
01:14:53.359 --> 01:15:01.000
have not been trained to be battle
tacticians, Like that is not inherent to

830
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:05.640
being a Jedi, and there is
in fact a lot that comes from this

831
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:09.720
later like that that's a whole thing
with a soaka, right, like the

832
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:13.000
fact that she was literally a child
soldier, And that's not why, you

833
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.760
know, that's not why you'd think
you're going to become a Jedi. You're

834
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:18.479
thinking, you're like, well,
okay, I've got like fighting ability and

835
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:23.199
force ability, but I'm not like
a literal general in an army, right,

836
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:29.119
Yeah, But it is just an
assumption the Jedi are the generals of

837
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:34.119
this Clone army, and it's it
is a sort of a very similar idea

838
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:40.479
of having that responsibility sort of thrust
upon them as just like the duty that

839
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:44.880
they must uphold. Yeah, watching
episode two, they're just like, Okay,

840
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:46.239
I guess we're going to be in
command of the Clones then. And

841
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:50.199
it's not really interrogated anymore now because
George Lucas is not a great writer at

842
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:57.159
this point, it's not interrogated,
and I think it's even less like I

843
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:02.439
think there's probably going to be more
exploration across with you know, as we

844
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:06.079
move through these episodes. I hadn't
really thought about it the first time I

845
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:11.880
watched it, So good thing we're
doing to know, like, because I

846
01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.960
think for someone like Ann again,
who is young and reckless and like coming

847
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.479
into his power, there's probably something
very exciting about getting to be this thing.

848
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:25.399
So he doesn't want it to go
away, and so it is a

849
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:30.760
very big deal to say to delegate
to let go of power, to let

850
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:34.159
others have glory, to keep them
safe, not for you know, so

851
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:44.399
Star Wars yet again talking about the
victory of the collective. Secretly well,

852
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:48.359
Star Trek is not individualistic, but
this particular episode seems to be pretty laser

853
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:59.079
focused on Kirkan's back and their relationships
to command and roundabout ways more than anything.

854
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:02.640
Just like I wish I didn't have
to make decisions, which they they

855
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:08.720
they don't, But it's just kind
of a lens of the people that are

856
01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:15.560
making this right. That's very interesting, Yeah, which, yeah, so

857
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.800
yeah, I like it. I
like it. It's a good, good

858
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:25.279
question about like who what does it
take to be a leader? What does

859
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.840
it take to be a leader,
especially in relation to these two franchises,

860
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:31.760
Star and Star Wars, as we
figure out which one pulls ahead into the

861
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.560
lead. Again, the episodes that
we're talking about is the shadow of it.

862
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:43.600
Yeah, shadow of Benevolence versus the
Paradise Syndrome. Aspen, my friends

863
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:48.800
me, Yeah, what do you
I should go first? Shadow, Shadow

864
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:56.399
of Belevolence. I'm going to rank
a robust seven point five. Yeah again

865
01:17:56.920 --> 01:18:03.279
that says yeah, does what it
says on the box, great barn Burner

866
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:05.880
an episode. He sees some y
wings, she sees in space battles,

867
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:12.680
you sees some mantises, see Ana
can learn how to delegate. You see

868
01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:16.359
Ahsoka speak up for herself a band. She's just like, hey, it

869
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.840
was my idea, and he's like
cute about it, but yeah it's pretty

870
01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:24.079
clear, and he's like, yep, great job. Yeah, great episode.

871
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:26.520
Had a blast with it. Asden, what do you rank Shadow of

872
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.520
Maleolent? Let me give it seven
point six, just to give it a

873
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:34.640
little bit of an edge, seven
point six, which means that shadow of

874
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:39.680
the level, Shadow of Malevolence.
It's a robust seven point five five,

875
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:44.319
But it's still anyone's game. I'm
sure it is. I'm sure it is.

876
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:48.560
As we go over to Paradise Syndrome, Uh, I am going to

877
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:54.199
give this sucker a point five.
That's even more spie than I was gonna

878
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:58.439
give. I mean, I just
you feature brown face. I'm going to

879
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:01.520
give you a spipe ranking. It's
an eineteen sixties. You should know better.

880
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:06.079
But they they chose that. They
didn't. They don't ever know that

881
01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:11.319
it's wrong, that it's wrong.
Native character is played by a white person.

882
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.000
Good job, everybody. I think
they had some extras that were of

883
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:26.600
that that were not white all the
way in the background. Oh good for

884
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:31.720
you. Yeah, So I get
this a point five. I mean just

885
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:36.640
with brown face alone and then just
clunky plat mechanics. Too many. I've

886
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:42.199
spoking an episodes worth. You know, why do you ran this? I'll

887
01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.520
give it a one, give it
a one. This is this is the

888
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:51.439
lowest I think I've ever ranked something, because I both hated it and it

889
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:59.520
as pretty awful brown face. So
others I've just hated. But this is

890
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:05.279
the double, which means the Paradise
Syndrome has a paltry zero point seventy five

891
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:12.520
versus Shadow of Malevolence seven point five
five, which means aspen Star Wars wins

892
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:17.720
the week. All you have to
do, everybody, all you have to

893
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:24.119
do is just not too brown or
black face. It's so it's so easy.

894
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:30.479
I don't do brown face or black
face regularly, like regularly regularly.

895
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:39.720
Great job you're doing so cool.
Oh my god, good job, Kenny,

896
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:44.119
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913
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:09.039
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