Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones vs. By Any Other Name

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the Internet's exclusive outlet for answering the one

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question, the most important question at
fandom, which is better Star Wars or

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Star Trek by going through both franchises
and chronological release order. I am Kenny

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Addison, the Star Trek contingent of
this podcast, and with me is the

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wickedly talented Delta Zeam just kidding.
It's Aspen Webster, the Star Wars contingent

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here to talk about the prequels.
Required of me? Yes, Ken,

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Yes, Kenny. No matter what
word you use, the meaning makes the

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sense to me. Asked, required, forced Now a pleasure, A pleasure

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for me to be here with you. That's been A word? Is a

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word by any other name? Like
a road, yes, or like a

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clone? A clone? An attack, an attack? That's right, we

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are going through Star Wars episode two, Attack with the Clones versus by any

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other name from Star Trek the original
series, season two. Aspen, how

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are you doing today? Please answer
in the exact way that June Diane Rapiel

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would answer. I'm fine, Kenny, how are you? I'm quite good

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today? Uh man, I'm apt
to get to it. You're just like

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ready to go now I'm I'm I
to am because you received an entire live

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texting experience of me watching Attack of
the Clones and then a little bit of

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me watching By any Other Name today. I think I was just grumpier today,

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so I said things like, ah, why get they just take the

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rock makers anyway, to which I'm
pretty sure it was answered afterwards. They

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did. They did. That's still
not how they win. We'll get into

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it. We'll get into it.
Yes, let us Terry, no further,

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Terry, let us go right into
the synopsis for both properties, starting

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with by any Other Name, first
aired February twenty third, nineteen sixty eight.

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Written by DC Fontana and Jerome Bixby, Story by Jerome Bixby. My

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directing Girl by s Mark Daniels.
Dec My girl, you can feel it.

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You can feel you can feel the
leftover input of Gene coun You can

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feel the leftover input, well,
you can feel the input from DC Fontana.

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Just being a lighter episode, there's
still some humor that's happening anyways.

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From the NBC press release, Captain
Kirk answers a distress call which turns out

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to be a rused by a superior
race to capture the Enterprise and it's crew.

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In by any Other Name on NBC
Television Networks Star Trek Color Cast,

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Friday, February twenty third, what
they just called it a Star Trek cast.

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A crew from an unknown galaxy which
is disintegrating, was sent out centuries

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before to conquer a new galaxy for
its inhabitants. The current descendants, under

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leadership of roe Jan, feel that
they have found this new galaxy in the

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Federation, but their own ship crashes
and they need the Enterprise to make the

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return. Captain Kirk employs a simple
but powerful method to prevent to takeover by

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Roeja. Marbara Bouchet portrays Calinda,
and Stuart Moss has cast as Heinar,

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two of ro Jan's allies. I
looks her up, What do you want

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Cookie? Because she was so hot? Yeah? Man, and I can't

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remember. There was something very Oh
she's in She's in Casino Royale. Uh,

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the Peter Seller's Casino Royale a bad
film? What get out of here?

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Are we really gonna litigate Casina Royale
being a good movie? Are you

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for real? It's Peter Sellers.
Yeah, Peter Seller is a terrible human

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being. I mean he could be
a terrible human being, which I'm sure

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he is. I didn't know it's
the best plot line in that movie.

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But that movie is bad ass.
Man. Have you seen that Casina Royale.

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It's been a long time, but
I had a lot of fun as

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been coming. What are you talking? What are you talking about? It's

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just it's just a one way tripp
to Dollsville. Oh my god. I

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feel like I want to argue with
you, but it's been so long that

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I can't remember. But I think
it's probably good. It's not good,

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Well, you're wrong. I believe
that this is going to be going on

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the main feed episode. Come on, I'm okay, yeah, great,

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wonderful, Pad Okay, great,
wonderful. Just owned his kid. I

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didn't know that. It's real bad. Listen, everyone's bad, not g

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L g L. George Lucas.
Ah, we call him jail now.

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Yeah, he is bad, I
mean sometimes not. But he's fine.

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He's fucking fine. He's complicated.
He's just a just a complicated man.

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He's just a man. He's just
a Maria. He's revolutionizing filmmaking with this

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film. Honestly, you know what, Kenny, You keep sending me these

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great little like many documentary behind the
scenes, and I keep watching them because

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I'm interested and a good person.
Speaking of good person, what is the

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synopsis for Star Wars Episode two,
Attack of Clones? I am getting there?

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What was they gonna say? Though? He's good. I've been watching

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them and you I am very fascinated. But we'll get into it. Obviously,

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we'll get into it. I'm very
fascinated by just like the amount of

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work and like how ahead of everything
they were in making us and how we

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look back on it. We're like
anyway a Star Wars episode two Attack of

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the Clones. Director George Lucas,
writer George Lucas, screenplay by also screenplay

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by Jonathan Hales. Who's that guy? Should I know? Wait? I

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got okay, okay. I just
wanted to make sure. Oh god,

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that would have been very embarrassing.
It was released, Jonathan Hales wrote,

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Citizen Kane, what No, I'm
lying? That was a lot. I

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just lied to you. I did
see Scorpion King and I couldn't process Scorpion

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King. I couldn't process one.
I was like, that's he would be

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too young. And I was like
the man who wrote Scorpion King roots I

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was like, that's not how that
works. That's awesome. Okay. Anyway,

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I was released, Oh, two
thousand and two. What was the

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year? Let me find it?
I got this. You just said the

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year. I did say the year. I'm just looking for the date.

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It's May sixteenth, two thousand and
two. Uh. What were you doing

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May sixteenth, two thousand and two
waiting for episode two to come out?

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Great? Great, great, great
great great. Here is the plot synopsis

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for all of you who are not
familiar with how this went. Wow,

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can you tell him? I had
one picked out that I really liked.

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Okay. Written by Eric p on
IMDb as. Now, Senator padme Amidala,

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because she has to keep her honorific, returns to Corussont to vote on

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an important senatorial matter. An assassination
attempt on her life prompts the Jedi Council

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to send Jedi night Obi Wan Kenobi
and his padawan Anakin Skywalker to protect her

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and find out who the assassin is. As this is happening, a rogue

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Jedi named Count Dooku leads separatists on
Geonosis to rebel against the Senate Supreme Chancellor

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Palpatine moves for a vote for a
Republic army to protect the Republic, as

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there has not been a full scale
war since the formation of the Republic.

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As obi Wan's investigations lead him to
Camino, Detective obi Wan, he finds

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a massive clone It's me not this, that's my song. He finds a

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massive clone army being produced with a
bounty hunter, the Last That's not True,

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the last of the Mandalorians No named
Janko Fett as the Master Clone as

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he chases the elusive bounty hunter Django
and his cloned son Boba. Leads obi

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Wan to Genosis, where he meets
Count Duku and finds a startling revelation about

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the former Jedi. As Anakin has
left behind to protect Padme, his feelings

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for her grow, and something more
than friendship from Naboo to tattooin it grows

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into love for her. When a
tragedy strikes Anakin's life, he began slipping

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away from the light side of the
forest and perhaps from the force itself.

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Okay, er close enough. I
mean I liked that one because it did

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describe each thing very clearly as it
went through, because it's a I was

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going through trying to find it,
Like I was like, I'm probably gonna

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go to IMDb for the plot synopsis, but I was looking through the internet

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and the first thing I found was
a Reddit post that was like, I

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don't understand the plot of Attack of
the Clones. I genuinely need help.

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And I was like, that's really
fair. What the fuck's going on?

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Oh, we've got some doozies up
behind as scenes zenfo for this week.

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I love it. Love this movie
so much. I loved it so much.

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Are you crying right now? I
can't believe. I feel like crying

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out of like shape. I haven't
seen this movie in years, And I

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was like, why am I having
such a good time? That's a great

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question. Oh, I'm having a
great time. Though, we'll talk more

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about it. I do think the
last twenty minutes is not that great,

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but the first twenty minutes is perfect
Detective Obi Wan, So I think it

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kind of cancels it out and the
rest of it's pretty okay. It becomes

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towards the end it devolves into it
just kind of tensionless shooting at each other

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right without what the original trilogy was
so good at, which is creating action

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scenes that further character beats and plot
beats, yes, and also kind of

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starts telegraphing where modern blockbuster third acts
will go, doesn't it Actually yes,

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like very I hadn't thought that until
just right now this moment. Very marvel

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third act, you know, and
you're just like, it's a fucking mess

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and everybody so it's just explosions and
shooting and lightsabers everywhere. But also there's

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kit Fistoh so ah, so good, everyone's great. Yeah, I yeah,

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I'll tell you all about it.
But uh, even even the Anakin

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Padme parts, I was like,
I'm not not having fun this. It's

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it's rough, it's but there's that
hole. I understand. It's it's it's

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rough, but you know what it's
speak. We were talking about music and

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the Patreon part of the episode,
which you can get at patreon dot com

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slash Truck Wars Pod five dollars a
month. You can get access to early

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episodes and vastly extended versions of these
episodes. Sometimes we talk too much,

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yeah, uh but oh the music. The they're like their love like across

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the Stars I think is like their
love theme. It's so good. Oh,

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you're telling me that John Williams did
a good job. Oh, it's

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but it's like fucking phenomenal. Like, oh, you're telling me that John

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Williams is a phenomenal job. Oh
wow, I know. Okay, well

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you know what You're welcome for that
information. Yeah. Very rarely does he

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phone things in. Uh. I
think we've had this conversation before where I

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then named things where he did phone
them in. That's why I said very

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rarely. Harry Potter too, Harry
Potter three. Nope, not Harry Potter

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three. He scored Harry Potter three, Yes, but he did not phone

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that one in. He phoned in
Harry Potter two, Harry Potter three.

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Very inspired anyway, that's my example
when he has phoned it in, he

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has phoned it in. Did you
know that the score for The Force Awakens?

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Again? I'm probably I think we've
talked about this already cause I talk

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about this A lot. Was actually
so unique and so different that it was

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nominated for an Oscar Like it was
different enough and that it Yeah, it

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has beautiful rays theme, it's so
good his themes are Also because it's different

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doesn't necessarily mean that it's not going
to get nominated. Johnny Williams got nominated

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for Indian and Jones of the dial
up Destiny, which, make no mistake,

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is a good movie. Thank you, Okay, it's a good movie.

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Also a great example, though,
of a film where the action scenes

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don't always further the emotion or like
the character beats her emotion. And by

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the action scenes, I mean the
one action scene where they're driving through Morocco.

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I still think they could cut that
anyway. This movie is not bad,

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sure, I think it is quite
weak. Fun yeah, uh yeah,

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I think it's bad. It makes
me cringe. I don't say that

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lightly because Matrix's direction is one of
my top fifty films of all time.

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So you know that my tolerance for
things that should be refringe worthy it's pretty

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high. I think I'm gonna make
an argument for this film, and I

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can't believe it. I can't believe
it. I can't believe it. Shut

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the front door, I can't.
I don't got it. It's fucking shut

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it. Take your front door and
shut it. I'm home alone. It's

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shut and locked. I've set up
traps, don't worry. One of them

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is My cat To is one of
my least favorite films with the former president.

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Ah, what's your favorite film with
the former resident Contact. Is he

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really in it? Bill Clinton is
in Contact? Yes? Oh, I

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thought you my am Okay, that's
good to know. Got watch Contact?

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You got you gotta watch. I
know everyone I know you said to me

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last night. Everyone that you know
is telling you watched Contact. Every queer

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person is wildly It's like every queer
person's favorite film. So I feel like

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I am really losing at something here, sorry, losing at something. You're

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going to give a defense of the
romance plot of Attack the Clones, which

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is I mean, I'm not gonna
give I'm not just for the film.

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Maybe maybe that's okay some of these
I was specifically the romance plot. You

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want me to do that right now? Okay? Just to let the audience

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know my letterbox list of Star Wars
properties that I have ranked yep on my

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letterbox, which you can find at
letterbox dot com. Slash theou Kenny Madison.

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You need to make sure that I
put this, you know, in

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the show notes, go some footnotes. I have nineteen Star Wars properties listed

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on here. Uh huh. Attack
the Clones it's number sixteen. It's pretty

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bad, pretty bad. There are
two e Walks films that are higher than

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Episode two. Well I didn't.
I actually I think I fail famously famously

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famously liked the Battle for Indoor,
right, I can't even remember anymore.

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I can go to spreadsheet Battle for
Indoor while I go to the spreadsheet,

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why don't you make your half hearted
defense for why I attack the Clones is

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the best Star Wars movie. Okay, here, I'm gonna I'm gonna try

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my best. As I was watching
this film, I did not write this

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down. This is extemporaneous thought,
which I'm famously okay at. Famously we're

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having a great time as I was. I think we need to take into

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consideration how much Clone Wars I have
watched, and how Clone Wars retroactively makes

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Attack of the Clones and uh,
Revenge of the Sith better in weird wild

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ways. I think because I have
so much depth and backstory to it.

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There's even entire arcs on Gianosis,
yes, just kind of showing how the

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Genosins were, how they were taking
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that's it kind of goes even further
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have a bit of a depth here. I obviously have more of a depth

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to the Anakin Padme relationship because Padme
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Wars. So I think all the
things that should have been done actually in

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Phantom Menace as a film, because
I was thinking I was watching this movie

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and I was like, well,
there's just not a lot of time for

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some of this stuff, and if
they had actually just put it in Phantom

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Menace, there would have been time
for stuff. I think like the way

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that they're kind of going and they're
developing it, so I'm not doing a

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good case on like a case for
but I am hey, stop stop it.

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I'm thinking out loud, you're not
doing a case for it, but

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you're doing a case about where you're
pulling an ancillary Biopwalter. I know,

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I am just setting that up,
setting the stage set. We're both so

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grumpy. We can't start poetry so
that they rhy, we can't turn against

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each other. We're so mad about
Casino Royal it. As I was watching

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this film, I got through the
first part of it, which I have

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always thought was very fun. I
think the film starts strong. I think

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the bit through Corrusson is great.
I think it is exciting. I think

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character automatically. I got to push
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is I'm pretty sure from Captain Taypo, which is, I guess you're right.

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There was no danger at all.
It's absurd. You know, he

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thought he has only one eye,
and that's true. Danger usually only happens

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out of the left doop. You
know, how is he to know he

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didn't know he's only got one on. Yeah, So it was very absurd

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because of course it is immediately blown
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Burn in it as her main handmaiden, and that's also a plus. I

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just want to say, she cries, beautiful crier. So I got through

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the first twenty thirty minutes thinking to
myself, aspen as per the usual of

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the times you've seen this film,
it's now about to get eh and now

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you're just gonna have to tolerate it. But instead, what was happening for

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me was I was still having fun
as they went to Naboo and he was

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being a little shithead. I was
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experience for me. And as Obi
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Dexter Jetster, true joy, a
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He and then goes on his little
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planet Camino. I was taken by
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I get very excited about large waves. I love the design of the Caminoans.

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I loved all of the creativity.
I feel insane saying this to you

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right now. I feel like I
am insane because this is what's going on

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right now. I was like,
this is great. I kind of this

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whole bit with Django Django being like
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However, having a great time and
everything that was happening on Naboo.

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That whole scene in that meadow is
both absurd because basically he's like, I

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would be a dictator and she's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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And then they're like a okay,
go get go, and I'm was

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actually giggling too. I was like, and that part of me was like,

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you know, when I was young
and someone said that to me,

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but I thought that they were hot
and I was horny. I might might

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have ignored it too. Whenever I
was anakin Skywalker's age, I was definitely

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right, just like you know,
I guess there are some problematic advantages for

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affirmative action. We should just give
it to the right person. This is

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okay. I'm gonna get into some
other pieces of obviously how this would be

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better after the fact. Listen,
you're not going to respond to what I

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said asmen. I got what you
were going for because Anakin's bad. You're

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not going to condemn my actions.
I listen. I'm twenty four in horny,

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so I'm here. They're cute,
they're giggling. He's writing on a

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couch. Tick cow is what I
meant, cow cow. I took cow

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the tattooing bit. Uh when he
is literally watches his mother die in his

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arms, and then he looks up
and then the music changes and it's like

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and then he murders everyone and then
it fucking freaks out. That to me

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was actually the way that he like
acted afterward, was like, despite George

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Lucas's direction, it was fabulous anyway, basically loved it. Loved it.

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Got to the end and I was
just like, oh, okay, we

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know we should have you tied me
during the client action. We were like

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good news or just made a pot
of tea. Uh, I'm starting to

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learn how to bake baked a pie. Uh. Got your tax is done?

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You called your dad were like,
I think that we've got a complicated

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relationship, Jeff, when I understand, what can I do? Repaired your

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relationship with that? Uh? And
then you still have like twenty more minutes

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whenever we came back. Yikes,
man, we are talking about a magical

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fantasy world, right, Uh.
They even like I even text you.

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I was like, I forgot about
the whole stupid factory part, and then

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I was like, you know what, that actually wasn't that long, which

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the factory is not bad. The
three parts are. That's the worst that

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can die and get out of here. It is. It is part of

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the nadier Star Wars, which am
using that correctly the later like no,

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not like the apex directly belove you
directly directly both diametrically opposite the scene okay,

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yes, got it? Yes,
yet the opposite well not the lowest

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point in Star Wars fandom. Uh
huh. That of course goes to he's

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alone? Who are your people?
You're alone? Yeah, I'm alone,

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which is so bad. I destroyed
the movie theater that I was in and

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now that movie theater no longer exists. And then I went to the next

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movie theater that was playing Solo,
and I burned that one down. I

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wanted for Arson. By the way, I burned down a lot of movie

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theaters that day. This is what
toxic Star Wars fans do. This fandom

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is too much. Again, It's
like poetry. So if they rhyn before

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you go on, I just want
to just say that I texted you when

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they were fighting Count Dooku and then
Yoda comes out, and I said,

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it's like poetry at rhymes if the
poetry were about a guy you've never met

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before. Because I was like,
this doesn't really matter to anyone because we're

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like I'm like, I get it
to Christopher Lee, but who the fuck

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is Count dookub in this whole time. It's not like anyone we knew betrayed

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us. You know, so obviously
this is a bad movie. But I

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need you to understand how much fun
I had. I need you to understand.

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I understand as I have this.
I'm pretty sure I saw this three

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times in two thousand and two.
I had it twice in theaters and then

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once in the Imax release, which
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movie. I had a great time. That's great. I'm glad. I

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thought that was a good enough defense. The defense was mostly just me saying

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I had fun. Yeah, our
subjective, I'm glad that you had a

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good time. George Lucas wanted you
to have a good times. Maybe for

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oh my god. I mean,
I'm not gonna watch it again anytime soon,

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but I just was pleasantly surprised,
and maybe I was in the right

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mood. I don't know sure.
I just think that it's emblematic of where

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Lucas is as a director at this
time, which is not good. It

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was just not a great wish I
could think a more articulated thing, but

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it's clearly clear that he is interested
in the technology, interested in getting the

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as opposed to Episode one, which
felt more fully fleshed out for all the

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good and the ill that is,
I like apisone won a lot more versus

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Episode two, which feels like a
connection point and uh all of the I

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guess the place setting that is more
interesting in episode one after the fact,

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I don't know, it becomes more
textual here, and that's not necessarily nearly

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as interesting to me. There's not
as much plicle machinations so much as I

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mean, we get the detective plot. That's unusual because they don't exactly death

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sticks. You don't. You don't
want to sell me deathk sticks, and

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I don't want to see how I
want to go home and rethink your life.

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I want to go home and rethink
my life. You know, you

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got the detective subplot, but like
that doesn't really get resolved. But that's

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fine because I mean, he does. You get the big battle, I

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mean he does. He does track
it all the way back and you're exit

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all the way back to Dooku and
he figures it out and like fucking he

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like discovers this entire army of clones. What the fuck? And we see

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the death Star plans you do,
I don't really care about this much.

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Sure, and then the Anakin padme
stuff. Dah's it's it's it's done.

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So had you seen this week's Star
Trek episode. I have never seen this

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episode in my life. Sorry to
this episode. I do not know this

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episode. Uh, I think this
episode's okay. And then whenever they get

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on the ship, the episode's quality
elevates and it becomes pretty darn good.

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That's pretty much what was happening for
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those moments. So it's another like, oh, aliens that are more advanced

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than us, like control us taking
us over kind of plot. So I

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genuinely almost checked out. I was
like, whatever, I don't care.

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That's why I was actually really surprised
him his DC fonsaticus. I was like,

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girl, come on, it could
be better. Does someone fuck with

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your story again? Not exactly,
but we'll get into it. Oh yeah,

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and I it does get better.
I Oh, I no, you're

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fine. I think I was like, oh no, I I I.

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The feeling of the feeling of oh, we've been here before really was kind

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of getting me for a while.
But you're right. It then does change

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pretty considerably. There is no I
don't think there are any original ideas that

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we haven't seen executed elsewhere. I'm
better in this episode. Mm hmmm hm.

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There's a lot of beats that have
been done before, for against like

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poetry, so that they rhyn but
you know, oh god, it gets

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fun. It gets fun whenever they
get on the ship. It gets really

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fun. Actually does lightful beats,
Yeah, especially because the whole idea,

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I mean, the concept of,
hey, what is it to be human?

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We can engage with this, and
it's like we win by uh leaning

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into our humanity. Deep budget constraints
of needing your villain to be human,

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uh huh become a benefit whenever they
finally ask the question, oh, these

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people have to be human, these
these love Craftian aliens have to be human.

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Yeah, as that go along with
it. That's interesting, although again

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a question that has been asked whenever
other things have been forced to be human?

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Is there a Star Trek villain at
any point that's like even more emotional

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than a human? Yes? Really? Yeah? Okay, because it always

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seems to come back to this idea
of like, I mean, because this

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is the foil of the Vulcans,
right, which is it's not necessarily a

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good thing to be solely logical.
And we know because Spock himself is not

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solely logical. Uh, he's actually
deeply emotional. I'm not sure that there's

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anything that is written in the text
outside of blank Vulcans having more intense emotions

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than humans. But it is a
very Homo sapien centric show, which makes

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sense. This is propaganda for humans
rule. But I guess what I mean

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is like every time there's been oh
you know what I'm thinking of, There

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is that episode with the gods,
and I feel like that there's a god

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forg out what that episode was,
but that was who was? Yeah?

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Who worse is that one? I
think actually is like rather than go the

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root of we are these superior beings
who are like deeply logical and don't like

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we've like turned off our emotions or
our ability to love. That was like

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way in the other direction, like
hyper emotional, very intense, like you

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know, like desperate for love kind
of thing. So yeah, but that

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goes along with kind of the status
of that character as well, because it's

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God, and this God used to
be worshiped as leader as opposed to just

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to co opt your argument or co
opt your statements. Oh oh, because

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I'm entitled aspen because you don't believe
in a firmative action. Oh I remember,

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I remember how problematic you were.
Thank you, thank you. But

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I don't think there's shockingly nothing within
the text of Star Trek which is like

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this this species is actually extremely emotional. Sure, I because yeah, And

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I guess the reason I'm asking is
because this does tend to be the usual,

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right, because it's like, yeah, there is Like it's like when

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there's robot robots or whether there's machines. Basically Kirk has to argue with the

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machine, and the way that we
argue with that is by you know,

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breaking the logic or appealing to emotion. And that's it's like people. It's

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like aliens as machine, even if
they're not physically a machine, you know.

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It's what makes humans special are emotions, and everything else in the universe

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doesn't have emotions. We get to
win through what makes us illogical. Yeah,

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and what has also been the reason
for our pain in the past.

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So which then kind of betrays the
game of Star Trek, which is we

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rule because we're unpredictable. Right,
We're different. There's a human element here.

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So if you came on along,
we're like this, rates of people

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are actually more unpredictable and more illogical. Maybe Klingons clean up, yeah,

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maybe clean on the Klingons and next
generation become more honor. It's about honor.

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Oh yeah, but you're right.
The Klingons in the original series,

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I feel like are sort of the
other extreme of it. M hm.

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And it's like they they rather than
turn to cooperation and kindness. I mean,

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we could say federation whatever, like
exploration, it's about it's about control

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and conquering, which is of course
the USSR the Soviets, but the Soviets.

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Did I say that the Soviets the
Sherevich I guess like poetry so that

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they want fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.

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I just felt uninspired by the episode. You know, it's I think,

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yeah, it's like fine and it's
fun, and you're right, it's fun.

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Uh. Scotta gets drunk. Scotta
gets drunk. I love us,

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drunk, Scott. They win the
day by exposing them to the human condition

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00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:37.480
jealousy, which is turning saints into
the sea unlike something something lallabies choking on

404
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:43.639
your alibis. But it's just the
price I pay. Destiny is calling me.

405
00:34:44.639 --> 00:35:00.159
Open up your eager eyes because I'm
what Kennyn jealousy. Sorry, Yeah,

406
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.840
this episode gets fun. They get
drunk, one guy eats a lot,

407
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.199
another guy gets really angry, and
then Rojian gets super horny. Well,

408
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.559
hey, hey, hey, you
sent me a text. I did

409
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.119
send you a text. I'm curious
about your thoughts. I think this fits

410
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:29.760
within the article that we have talked
about at length Kirk Drift from Strange Horizons

411
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.679
and asks imposits in this text message. I think that Kirk Drift article is

412
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:42.000
wrong. He really does kiss lots
of ladies, which I'm so smart.

413
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.719
You know, you're probably the smartest
person I've ever met. And I think

414
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:52.800
the article digs into that and talks
about that aspect because he is just kissing

415
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.559
ladies left and right. But also, like in this episode, like in

416
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.920
games Troskellion, like and what are
the little Girls made of? He's using

417
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:13.719
sexuality as a means to obtain freedom, not through crafts manipulation. I guess,

418
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:21.920
I mean, you guess well,
And every time he's doing it,

419
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:30.920
it's obviously with a woman who is
beautiful. What woman woman? She's a

420
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:37.400
woman with needs, wants, feelings. Besides, you can't just tell her

421
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:47.079
what you want to show her.
If I'm sure, I might pause it

422
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:55.239
coming. I know this is a
perspective that is based in twenty twenty four

423
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:05.320
Aspen who Aspen is it is a
means to his freedom, and it assumes

424
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.480
by that argument, you know he
has less power. A great thing about

425
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.719
this episode he has very little power
and is freaked out the whole time,

426
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.760
which I loved, very rarely see
him that way because he always has some

427
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:21.760
modicum of power or some cool even
in the worst of times, despite him

428
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.719
being like in a space of say, like marginalization. In this case,

429
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:34.320
the woman has a lot of power. In the case of that other bad

430
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.599
episode with the witch bitch, she
had a lot of power. Oh yeah,

431
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:45.760
another episode which is yeah, well
and Gangsters of Tuxellian. But I

432
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.440
would actually argue, do they have
a lot of powers? And not in

433
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.360
the other one either not in not
Caspa but oh cat'spa too, or the

434
00:37:54.440 --> 00:38:04.280
other one where ode with the the
Proxy war, the proxy war episode the

435
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.880
Side of Paradise. This nope,
not garade time, you know with like,

436
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.159
yeah, which bitch, who's been
two witch bitches? That's right?

437
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.119
Private little war, Yes, private
little war, thank you, thank you

438
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.679
so much. Uh, it's all. Also, it's like women who actually

439
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.719
have been robbed of power or come
from a place of not having a lot

440
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.400
of power and trying to gain it
themselves. Then in this case it is

441
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.159
someone who has powered but less power
than someone else. But so what I'm

442
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.719
saying here is that, yeah,
it's about his freedom, but it comes

443
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.639
at the expense of like that maybe
the agency of someone else who might have

444
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:43.559
less than him, even then within
a structure. Sure, like so is

445
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.760
I mean, yeah, it's true, it's true, but I guess it's

446
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:51.159
still to me, is still about
macinations, Like it's still about like being

447
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.159
a trixy trixy bully. I mean, at the end of the day,

448
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:59.599
this episode, this TV show is
still ran by Gene Roddenberry who let me

449
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:07.599
shift through my notes. Yes,
Oh it's fucking horny, got it?

450
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:13.599
Yeah, right, just like padme
is for Anakin, I gotta bleep mine

451
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.320
bomb, don't do not. This
is a moment. Yeah, but it's

452
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:23.800
gonna be funnier with the bleep.
You're right, do it for the comedy.

453
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:32.480
We do it all for the comedy. Fu. Yeah, I'm not

454
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.880
gonna bleep you, no little sailor, but me blowing out my levels on

455
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.559
that one of them putting it deep
over that. And that's funny. You

456
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.760
know, it's even funny if we
keep talking so funny. Yeah, that's

457
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.199
fine, but then leave it uncensored. Not the Patreon, which you can

458
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.159
subscribe to five dollars a month.
Patreon dot com, slash truck wards blood

459
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.119
Patreon's gonna be less funny. Sure, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna

460
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.480
push back against that just makes me
want to reread the Kirk drift hard.

461
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:01.800
Oh yeah, me too. I
can't even remember I read it, But

462
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.119
I can't remember now that you're because
I'm worried that perhaps I cannot remember anything

463
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:15.480
I read after the fact. But
yeah, I don't know. I because

464
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.199
I was very much having I don't
think seen any of these latter season two

465
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.440
or maybe any season three episodes,
and only having maybe seen season one,

466
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:30.440
I was like, yeah, I
season one. The first half of that

467
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.760
season is pretty much just Kirk like
bopping along, having some romantic tension with

468
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.960
Rand and then they fire grace Ley
Whitney, or she leaves the show because

469
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:46.440
of sexual assault, Yes, very
clear, I think so, or some

470
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:51.320
type of terrible situation it's against her. It depends on who you ask,

471
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:57.639
if you're asking her, if you're
talking about the system something I'm not even

472
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.880
doing. What about? Is it
literally like Graceley Whitneys, Should I say

473
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.760
alleged were going to get sued?
Yeah? I think so, allegedly,

474
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:16.440
And then Kirk begins to be a
more sexual character after that hmm, yes,

475
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.480
just goes into leading manisms. Yeah, chatnerisms, and that's where we

476
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.920
have Kirk now where he's still you
know, I want to be clear,

477
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.079
I don't hate it. Uh.
He did this little move in this one

478
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.280
where he like hit her, you
know, because he hit her and knock

479
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:38.480
her out because they were trying to
like get out of that cave at the

480
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.519
beginning. Uh. Whenever he hit
her, did this sound effect happen?

481
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:51.639
Should have? Yeah, the real
crossover makonkey Man. Imagine if George Lucas

482
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.719
has got his hands on those original
Star Trek files, he'd be like,

483
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:59.599
ooh set effects. That's some weird
little guys in the background everywhere. Oh

484
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:05.480
man. Ah, he like karate
shops her, uh, like you know

485
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.480
in that like spot where your neck
meets your shoulder again the left hand side.

486
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.320
So when it comes in and he's
just like, did I I hurt

487
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.000
you? I'm sorry, I'm sorry
for hitting you or something or for hurting

488
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.280
you, and she's just like,
Okay, I have no emotions. I

489
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.679
don't understand. Oh, something's happening
for me right now. But let me

490
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:27.119
get through this part and they'll come
to it. Oh boy. Any but

491
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.960
he does do this thing where he's
just like, is this what do I

492
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.639
hit you? And she's just like
no, it was so actually over here,

493
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.039
and then he like kisses it,
and I was like, oh oh

494
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:43.800
my, oh wow. It was
a real Indiana jonesman like, well where

495
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:45.639
doesn't it hurt? Kiss me there
kind of thing. And I was just

496
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.599
like it was such a gentle kiss
to you. And I was like,

497
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.920
okay, well I'm not mad.
I'm not mad. A sexy little moment,

498
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.880
okay, but here's what just happened
for me as I was thinking about

499
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:02.159
this. Sorry you're familiar with the
film Poor Things. Yes, I did

500
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.559
an entire thing in our Patreon episode
where I went through how it perfectly can

501
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.039
you can get on Patreon, slash
truck, horse pod, I don't know,

502
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:19.239
Chuck course and pay money check cosset
pot yeah, yeah, yeah,

503
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.639
yeah how I mapped it all to
like the heroin's journey whatever. Thank you

504
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.960
so much. That's really nice,
because I was like, I am talking

505
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.400
a lot kind of you. What
am I gonna? Was I saying?

506
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:39.840
Thank you? It's really nice?
Uh. Part of what Poor Things,

507
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:49.519
in my opinion, is saying,
is men are prefer this like woman this

508
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.639
like full, like fully grown bodied
woman with like the mind of a child.

509
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.880
Uh. And that is so for
anyone who's like this is an it,

510
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.400
it's like, yeah, that's the
point, and like it's like an

511
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.679
exertion of like her like trying to
like exert a certain power throughout it.

512
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.800
That is part of the plot of
the thing. Like that's exactly so,

513
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:15.280
which I think it does great.
And I am thinking about this character for

514
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:25.480
this actress who's in Casina Royale,
and yeah, how it's almost like she's

515
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.159
not just misunder it's like she has
to be much like these others, like

516
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.280
taught how to love. And I
think it does appeal to this like ooh,

517
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.199
I'm into like a childlike innocent,
virginal woman. So if this woman

518
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:44.639
has power, she still has to
be Calinda. Thank you for parting that

519
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.480
in the chat. No one knows
we have a chat. That's how you

520
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.400
tell me all the secrets. Calinda
is her name, that's how. But

521
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.880
that's any like a lot of these
women, it is very much like this

522
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.800
appeal of this kind of woman.
So again, even if she has some

523
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:07.360
she has this like something that she
can be taught and so she feels younger.

524
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:14.519
She feels more like a child,
and so that is not particularly appealing

525
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.400
for me. Well, Aspen,
I think on that note, it's a

526
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:25.559
perfect time to go into the deep
dive section. Here we go, There

527
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.079
we go. Was I hitting on
something that's like because you were making that

528
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.760
little face that you make, like
that little smile, like you're like,

529
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:42.199
well, have I got something to
tell you? Here's a classic Gene roddenberryism

530
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.119
from, of course, the one
book that I read for my Star Trek

531
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.360
research, which, to be fair, this is like the most comprehensive book

532
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:52.960
of any TV show that I've read. You don't have to make an excuse.

533
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.320
We all know what kind of research
use. The Voyages tos season two

534
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:06.400
from Mark Cushman Aspen grab onto a
pillow and get ready to throw it.

535
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:14.119
You writing anything down, nah Man. Some of Roddenberry's ideas were added in

536
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:19.280
as well, uh in regards to
descript by any other name for Jerome Bixby,

537
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:25.880
including more drama concerning the crew slash
slaves being forced to mate. Kirkus

538
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.920
is specifically instructed to have sex with
a female crew member named Lieutenant Leslie Thompson.

539
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.519
Obviously that did not make it to
air either way. Rudd and Berry

540
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:42.360
just being obsessed and being like,
can the crew have sex more? I

541
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.760
think that's interesting. The crew never
has sex. I just want to be

542
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.599
clear. There's not even like fun
consensual sex, not even once. They're

543
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.880
too busy working. That's all I
know. That's boring. They live there,

544
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.199
they don't work all the time.
That is something I've thought of a

545
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.079
lot with Star Trek, which is
Star Trek is like I feel like you

546
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:06.320
have to be on call a lot. Yeah, that sounds like of Armor.

547
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:13.000
There's not too much interesting behind the
scenes for this week as outside of

548
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:20.159
just Jerome Bixby did a lot of
drafts on this through Gene coun and John

549
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:24.639
Mary de Lucas just basically he worked
very hard. But the reason that this

550
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:32.760
episode like doesn't kick off sooner is
also because NBC wanted Planet shows and a

551
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.400
great team. Deal of time is
spent on Stage ten, otherwise known as

552
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.079
the Planet set to pacify the network. The cameras staying on the planet while

553
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.559
we were told about the Enterprise being
taken over, so they're on the planet

554
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:52.400
in the cave jail. That's because
NBC literally just for some reason like once

555
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:58.639
more Planet action, I want more
planet action. It's why the film Star

556
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.840
Wars Episode two, Attack of the
Clones is so fun. They go to

557
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:09.559
so many planets that are so interesting. Big Waves, Bugs, Sand,

558
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:17.000
an entire planet that is one city. It's one big city, one big

559
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.360
city. So I get it.
I get in BC. They're like,

560
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:28.280
we want some poline it shit,
what did you know? Wow? Did

561
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.800
you what? George Lucas's rough draft
of Attack of the Clones is dated March

562
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:36.880
thirteenth, two thousand. Filming would
begin just two months after the rough draft

563
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:45.199
was complete. That sounds right.
They started filming May of two thousand,

564
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:51.599
like the very first version of it
as in was done. Can you,

565
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:58.880
as someone who understands the process of
filmmaking better than me, how long typically

566
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:06.280
would script writing take? That's a
great question. It truly depends on project

567
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:12.280
to project. I have a sneaze
suspicion that the Marvel machine compressed things to

568
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:16.719
where pre production, script writing and
pre production was happening at the exact same

569
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:22.119
time. There's a lot of collaboration. But before all that, scripts would

570
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:27.159
just finish and then you know,
get the green light, and then you

571
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:31.199
would go into pre production. So, and I say this, you compare

572
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.159
this to the first Star Wars.
Yeah, and Empire strikes back in Return

573
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.880
of the Jedi a little bit,
where I believe the scripts were finished more

574
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.639
or less. The structure, the
bones were finished a great deal of time

575
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:54.599
before artwork and stuff started, much
less shooting. We're talking about like two

576
00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:00.480
months beforehand. That means that sets
are being built and they still don't have

577
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.719
like a locked in script. That's
okay, rare, well ah, necessarily

578
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:13.320
anymore, but like at the time, that's weird. Got it? What?

579
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:21.599
Why do we think Because George Lucas
he said it himself, he doesn't

580
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.880
enjoy writing, right, and he's
gone to all of his other friends and

581
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.679
they don't want to write it,
and so he's had to do it.

582
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:37.920
And also maybe because he is the
control person that he is right, because

583
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.559
we don't know those conversations, but
like he just has to do it,

584
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:45.679
and so he just did it.
And then like the original Star Wars as

585
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:51.000
well, where Lucas got the idea
of Darth Vader from a painting Ralph McCrory

586
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:57.519
did, that's where Darth Vader happened. Because all of this was made up.

587
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.760
George Lucas did not have it planned
out in his head can't restate that

588
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:09.719
enough. He is going to the
art department and being like, I think

589
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:13.599
I want to have these sets.
They draw the sets, then he goes

590
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.800
back write some stuff in because he's
inspired by all the work that they're doing

591
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:22.840
and vice versa, and it is
it's kind of a circular process where he

592
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.639
is going in there being like,
I want this. They provided that provides

593
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.599
him with ideas that he can then
go back to the art department and do

594
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:36.719
that. Additionally, the way that
he describes the shooting process that he shot

595
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.159
most of the film, it seems
like over the course of sixty days,

596
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:52.199
which considering the pipeline for this is
wild, considering that they are doing things

597
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:57.719
that on this scale, no film, like no film production had done before.

598
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:06.719
From what I understand this side,
they Lucas and Team commissioned It wasn't

599
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:12.000
just that they were the first like
big budget film to shoot on high Death

600
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:21.719
Aspen. They commissioned cameras to be
built. They yeah, they built cameras

601
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:31.079
for this from Panasana Consoni. Everything
I've seen obviously, like documentaries I've seen,

602
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:37.119
have you know they're they're being greenlit
these kind of behind the scenes pieces

603
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:47.880
huh, Like what documentaries like the
From Puppets to Pixels for this one kind

604
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:55.360
of smaller documentaries. Did you watch
that? Yeah? Oh fucking god damns.

605
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:06.559
Yes, you keep accidentally doing research
aspen. But that one, which

606
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:12.079
I greatly enjoyed. I greatly enjoyed
the part where he had to decide what

607
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.119
Dexter Jester's head was gonna look like, and they had just made a whole

608
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.199
bunch of models, and I was
like, this is so fun. I'm

609
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.679
having a great time watching this.
Like there's a lot of like art.

610
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.239
I'm gonna be honest, like true
creativity in this whole process. When I

611
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.400
was a kid, I looked at
the the the VHS for the widescreen version

612
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.920
of Star Wars Episode one came with
its own teeny tiny miniature version of the

613
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.679
art of Episode one, and I
looked at that book so many times.

614
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:47.639
And then not only that, but
your god, Dave Filoni, the padored

615
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:52.599
one himself, not my god.
You worship him every single day. I

616
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.159
worship his hat, But that's a
separate entity from him. Sure, Dave

617
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:59.280
Filoni is just a man. The
hat kids more than a man. He's

618
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:04.679
a symbol. Yes, obviously,
Pilford from previous art, so much pre

619
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.960
production art and brought that and made
that stuff canonical. The freaking Ghost is

620
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:15.360
based off like a discarded thing from
the millennium Falcon, the datha Mere Witches

621
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.320
or the Sith Witches that are in
the episode one book. Yes, it's

622
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.880
so much fun. And they talk
about it at least within the Secret History

623
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.119
of Star Wars by Michael Kaminski,
which is another piece of thing that I'm

624
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:35.920
reading talking about that as like it
was pretty now that they had built how

625
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:43.400
these systems had worked on episode one
in an expanded way. Now they understand

626
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.840
it a little bit more and they
can use it to their advantage if that

627
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:52.400
is conducive. Can't imagine because that
sounds extremely stressful for people who like need

628
00:54:52.480 --> 00:55:00.400
sets to go shoot on and also
these things, Oh there's so much blue

629
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:06.840
screen and stuff and like it's yeah, like this is there were more practical

630
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.639
shooting on episode one than there was
on episode two. Now you have YOUO

631
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:16.079
McGregor and Secrets of the Force.
The Oral History talks about like the process

632
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:21.840
sucked. It sucked for him because
he wanted something to act opposite against.

633
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:30.079
Because it's and you can feel it, and you can feel it in the

634
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:34.159
ones that come out of the prequel
is completely unscathed. Are Chris Burley,

635
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:39.639
m and Ian mcdarmott. Yeah,
Sam Jackson, you can't even find he's

636
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:45.400
doing the best that he can.
Sam Jackson, who never who always manages

637
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:52.280
to get bare minimum a good performance. His charisma is so tamped down.

638
00:55:52.599 --> 00:56:00.280
Yeah, even Yoda fucked over.
But also fuck Yoda. Yeah, God

639
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:07.320
damn kid. Fisto comes out great. Luminara great until her weird things that

640
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.760
she does in Colin Worth and her
weird Jedi stupid perspective. It's a whole

641
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:20.480
thing that caused it starts a whole
thing thing, I have to tell you.

642
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.639
Nice uh yeah, And it's very
disappointing, especially when you do watch

643
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:30.360
some like behind the scenes of you
and McGregor in the first film having the

644
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:37.840
fucking time of his life, like
doing uh like uh like practicing for uh

645
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:45.519
like the lightsaber fights, like the
final battle with Maul doing it like and

646
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.119
you can actually see like the behind
the scenes of him, you know,

647
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.679
filming it and having like a fucking
great time, And so it feels very

648
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:58.159
disappointing to kind of even have gone
from that to sort of Yeah, basically

649
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.679
monologuing to yourself, which is not
great. It's wrong, it's difficult,

650
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.920
it is. But also I think
it can't be done because you see Christopher

651
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:12.000
Leed doing it well. And also
I will say, for when it's worth,

652
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.159
I think you McGregor comes out of
those unscathed, Like I think he's

653
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:19.760
fine. Yeah, I do.
I think truly, like no one was

654
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:27.239
like false at him for this by
any means they destroyed Hayden Christiansen and Natalie

655
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:31.000
Portman. Oh yeah, who didn't
she have to get like a letter from

656
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.719
a previous director to try to even
get like cast and stuff again after these

657
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.599
films, probably I forget who?
Right? Uh? And you know that

658
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:43.360
they're good, like I remembered seeing
Have you ever seen the movie Life as

659
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.280
a House? Uh? No,
no, I have Kevin Klin. Yeah,

660
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.400
it's got Kevin Clain's got Hayden Christensen
in it. Obviously he plays a

661
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.840
really great moody teenager. But like
I thought, he was so fabulous in

662
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:00.199
that. And I do think that
Hayden Christiansen is actually very talented and so

663
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.159
it is just a real farmer to
watch it happen and watch people kind of

664
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.960
be brought down by these things in
these moments. With all that said,

665
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.480
can I just say sure, just
yes please, yes, it's gone.

666
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:20.440
I there is something kind of magnificent
and almost like unimaginable about how it that

667
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.480
it actually worked, Like they must
have had the unless there was a lot

668
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.760
going on in the background, but
the way it just seemed to me about

669
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:31.320
timelines and having to meet certain deadlines, that people met them, that they

670
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:36.320
got things done. So is there
like a project manager out there who's like

671
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.280
a wizard on these films that just
made it work? Is that what happened?

672
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:45.960
Like a secret person who was like, I'm gonna make everything fucking happen,

673
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:50.199
because it did. Honestly, it's
got to be Rick McCallum. Maybe,

674
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:54.159
yeah, the producer. I don't. I mean I probably production,

675
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:59.000
actual production, like the production manager. Yes, what are you talking about,

676
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.679
Rick McCollum. I'm just here for
fun. But I say that,

677
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.559
And it's just because there is what
you're talking about, the idea of things

678
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.719
are being inspired by each other.
Art creates something and then that inspires something

679
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.960
to happen, and all these things. You can imagine a lot of people

680
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:21.039
would be like this is too chaotic, and yet it seems like it was

681
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:28.559
actually fairly ordered. And again I'm
making I am making presumptions based on documentaries

682
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.599
that are probably pretty and nicely packaged
for me to be like, this looks

683
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:37.000
great, but I don't know,
like obviously they got done on time.

684
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:45.840
So which is why listening to the
blank Check episode digital filmmaking back in their

685
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.960
Star Wars days and listening to j
Damano talk about how revolutionary this is,

686
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:54.360
because we can't folks that haven't listened
to this and are listening to this episode

687
00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.000
like we are now used to this
filmmaking right. We have seen so many

688
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.840
behind the scenes videos, but this
is where it starts. It's one not

689
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:08.199
only that they're building a brand new
pipeline. In a Secrets of the forest,

690
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:13.880
Rick McCallum is talking about how it
just with something that is this big

691
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.079
and they want to do so many
effects shots, it didn't make sense to

692
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:22.199
them to have to film all of
it then scan all of it mm hmmm.

693
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.679
And they wanted to shorten the pipeline, which is why they went ahead

694
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.760
digital and commissioned. Apparently, the
cameras have been in development for seven years

695
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:36.039
trying to get the technology working.
I will never forget that. This is

696
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.480
when it was all digital. Yeah, I will never forget again. Can

697
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:45.559
you tell uh now that you've said
it, you don't feel like I can

698
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:51.239
because you told me. Yeah,
so I thought about it, but normal

699
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:59.320
people won't notice. Yes, I
mean there's a lot of shots. You

700
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:05.440
know, there's moment it's like that
when obi Wan hugs Dexter Jetster, my

701
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:10.559
best friend. Basically they like talk
about like animating it where they keep Ewan's

702
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:15.639
head, but then they have to
animate the rest of obi Wan's body to

703
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:20.119
be able to hug this creature and
just like how wild that is? Again,

704
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.800
you're right, like now we're like
for sure and at the time,

705
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.840
like god, like all of these
people so so talented, like so talented.

706
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.639
Oh it's not it's not a good
movie, but like you can't fault

707
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:40.360
like these like, oh magnificent,
great job people, absolutely absolutely wild,

708
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.480
but it works. It's not a
good movie. But also just like,

709
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:54.920
don't understand the magnitude of what they're
doing, because whenever a movie works visually,

710
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:01.960
like you're never like it just works
and very rarely are you just being

711
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.320
like I looked hard? Yeah,
And also it's really easy for us now

712
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.840
to just be like they did it
with computers, because there's none an understanding

713
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:14.880
of how complex it is, as
opposed to I think whenever optical printing,

714
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.519
those kinds of special effects, the
things famously of the nineteen eighties, you

715
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:24.000
know, like opticals, yeah before
that, but like every time like a

716
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:30.159
like a special effect shot happened there, you're just like, how how did

717
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:35.159
they do that? How? Not
computers? It's like this reminds me of

718
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.920
every meme that's like me sitting on
my couch watching bake Off and being like

719
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:44.000
Barbara, that's a terrible bakewell tart, you know, and like I can't

720
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:47.920
do any better than that. Aspen, Yeah, Aspen. They they received

721
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.519
the prototype of the camera, the
final prototype of the camera, right two

722
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:58.920
days before they began shooting. My
god, whoever was project managing was very

723
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:06.280
stressed out. Production manager was very
stressed. Also, this is this quotes

724
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.599
wild from George Lucas. We had
water left over from the perfect storm,

725
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:16.000
so we licked the water thing.
They just got that the assets from the

726
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:22.840
perfect storm and just made the water
for the perfect storm water because we don't

727
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.480
think about that because companies build assets. Oh my god, and I just

728
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.480
trying to think of when the water
happens. Is it on Comino? Yeah,

729
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.960
so every like every single time,
we don't think about this either because

730
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.360
we're just like, oh, computers, but just like it's still computer animation,

731
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.719
which means that all it needs to
be created. But for some reason

732
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:47.400
we watch traditional animation and just like
this is look at the labor that's involved.

733
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:52.800
Wow or just amazing and computer graphics
for some reason, I'll speak for

734
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:59.119
you and me and the world as
well, whenever we just see CG we're

735
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.360
just like, yep, computers,
but like it still has to get built

736
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.280
out. All this stuff still needs
to get built. Yeah, it's not.

737
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:12.840
It doesn't make it. There are
things that are possibly easier about the

738
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.239
process, the fact that you don't
necessarily have to go uh literally hand draw

739
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.440
it and instead can rely on keyframes
key frame animation, where you can literally

740
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:27.599
drag assets and great movement just by
uh coding it into the computer. M

741
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:38.920
computer stuff your stuff. Cool.
Yeah, and also obviously we've said the

742
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:44.599
Civilian times, we know all these
things. If it just had an even

743
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.360
slightly better script, like in better
direction, it would be really good.

744
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:54.920
You can feel, as we said, people know as we've said in the

745
01:04:54.920 --> 01:05:03.599
Phantom Menas episode M this this is
a course correction, This is reactionary.

746
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:14.159
Still less jar jar you can feel
him course correcting on that one, you

747
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:21.199
get, even though at least according
to Secrets of Star Wars um what's the

748
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:28.719
exact quote? Let me here we
go, what's the quote? Bubba fet

749
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.039
was always tied to the Clone Wars, as was revealed in a banth Attracts

750
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:41.079
issue from nineteen seventy nine. Uh. What so the bubbafests in this one?

751
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:46.880
Bubbafet Bubba? Where here bubbafets in
this one, bulbafets in this one?

752
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:53.719
Uh? And it feels weird because
it this feels like, well,

753
01:05:53.760 --> 01:06:00.280
this is just a more amounts of
action, feel like reactionary things to mean,

754
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:04.519
although it's truly impossible to figure out
what is and what isn't reactionary.

755
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.239
Yeah, the only thing that we
know for sure is that there's less jarj

756
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:14.519
aar in this one. That feels
like Lucas being like, I cave okay,

757
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.599
Kenny, I'm destroyed by this because
once again I'm like, you know,

758
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.599
I don't hate the bobas on this
because there's this really great bit in

759
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:29.239
Clone Wars fucking back, I know, but I don't like the pandering.

760
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.800
But also I don't hate it.
I don't like is it because you just

761
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:39.159
grew up with it? I you
know, I watched this I was thirteen.

762
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:43.320
I do remember being a lot less
enchanted by it. I was a

763
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.920
lot less enchanted by it. I
think by the time I got driven into

764
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.079
the syth, I didn't like immediately
see it when it came out, like

765
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.000
it's not maybe like a week or
two like in or two three, you

766
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:55.280
know what I mean. Like,
I just it was a little less enchanting

767
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.920
for me. And in fact,
by that point, I think my Star

768
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:00.960
Wars stuff at starts it's sort of
fade because I was like, this is

769
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:09.159
fine, and then I might have
been I remember i'd still watch like the

770
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:15.920
original series, but then it wasn't. I remember watching the original series,

771
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:33.360
Wrong Franchise RHY, the original trilogy, well I did. I did watch

772
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.559
the original series in my early twenties, and then I do remember moving to

773
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:42.280
Austin, so I was like about
twenty four twenty five and watching all the

774
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:46.679
like red letter media things of all
three of them. Now I'm like,

775
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:51.920
and I mean this with all my
heart fuck those guys. No, well

776
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.559
yeah, why not. I'm not
going to defend them. But also I

777
01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:58.679
think there was a time and place
for that kind of criticism. I think

778
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:01.079
it's very boring. Now, sorry, it smells gonna hate me for those

779
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:05.639
still really likes them. It's not
their fault. The culture that rose up

780
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.119
from them, that's what it is. That's what it is. Because you

781
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:13.280
look at their YouTube content. Sure, I bet if you dug down into

782
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:16.439
their politics it's going to be dicey. But it's not like they're churning out

783
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.560
all these video essays. If anything, they're like, let's elevate all these

784
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:29.960
extremely niche vhs gems. Sure,
and then every like once every several years

785
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.880
they'll put out a video essay which
is wild. It's not them, You're

786
01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.840
right, I think it's like a
culture that rises up around them. Feels

787
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:41.960
really weird. I under I understand
your discontent. Yeah, but unfortunately so

788
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.520
many people will influenced them at being
like this is how we analyze films.

789
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:48.840
They were like, No, very
clearly they they pulled the wrong message because

790
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:56.199
very clearly them doing this as a
character as opposed to them being themselves,

791
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:02.359
right, them being themselves make the
criticism real them doing the same character.

792
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:10.520
I think there's an there's an understanding
that they know that this is stupid.

793
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:15.479
Yeah, because they're caring way too
much about something. There's also the weird

794
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.600
fucking bits about like that are like
gross and creepy in character. That's like

795
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.880
I should go to the mat for
the red letter media stuff like and I

796
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.000
get that, Like they're better now. I have a lot of hatred for

797
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:30.560
that. I like remembered being like
cool and we're fast forwarding through what the

798
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.880
fuck is this? I'm just here
for some I don't know, some film

799
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:41.319
analysis anyway. I mean it's really
smart for them in the first ten minutes

800
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:45.039
of their episode one review being like, describe these characters without describing what there

801
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:50.760
is. Everybody quotes everybody quotes that
now, and I think that is a

802
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:57.760
really great tool to use. That's
a good tool anyway, Bubble that bub

803
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:04.039
that he's here, he's here and
true. Okay, I'm gonna kind of

804
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:10.800
like thematic connections this a bit between
these two per roperties. Yes, like

805
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:13.720
poetry, So if they want except
we don't know any of these people.

806
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.359
I'm really I'm kind of stuck a
little bit on the infantilization of women piece

807
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:26.680
actually, because I do think if
if it is, I'm not going to

808
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:30.319
go to bat for this romance,
like my has so much more to do

809
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:34.239
in episode one and it's just and
she does. It gets worse and worse,

810
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:39.840
and episode one great. Episode two
still pretty great and like in terms,

811
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.840
but it's like great in the way
that like someone would write a strong

812
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:45.000
female character kind of great, like
you got a gun that makes herus tough,

813
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.680
but and she's also like I'm in
fucking charge. But it's like,

814
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:54.720
you know, So there are those
pieces, and then by the third one

815
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:59.279
she's like simpering and it's weird.
And the fourth one she's dead. And

816
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.800
then she's dead and she's pretty great. In the Clone Wars she's yeah,

817
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:10.239
and and I and I think if
this had been written by anyone who actually

818
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:15.800
knew how to write human beings,
uh, and wasn't just a horny kid

819
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:20.039
from a desk, not horny kid
honestly not literally the opposite of Jeane Roddenberry

820
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:25.800
the like least horny. Episode three
does become that one line from Mean Girls,

821
01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:28.840
if you have sex, you will
get pregnant and die, Yeah,

822
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:34.800
exactly, and it does, it
does start to become like Lucas was the

823
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:41.239
opposite of rotten Berry in that regard
is name yes, yes, is like

824
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:49.199
what if sex saves the human rights? Everyone being so bangable will be able

825
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:55.439
to achieve warp drive hat and yah, Lucas is like, no, thanks,

826
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:00.439
Oh I don't think so, I
don't think so. Vietnam RT.

827
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:10.760
How do we talk to girls?
We tell them are massacred an entire Yeah,

828
01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:15.199
yeah, I mean, and there's
such a there's such an element there

829
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.000
too, And I was like,
man, that emotional labor, like the

830
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.439
idea that she would be like,
let me be present for this person who's

831
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:29.920
sufferings supposed to being like a red
fleck. She does feel very much like

832
01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:35.600
she is occupying strong female character like
like spaces where she does have she like

833
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:41.039
ostensibly has a lot of power which
she shows but then in certain but then

834
01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:44.119
when it really comes down to it, but bam, right, like she's

835
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:47.399
has no real agency or she's taken
in by something very easily, and she

836
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:51.800
feels very like young when she's not. She's been she was a queen at

837
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:57.239
fourteen. She is still young.
Yeah, she is young and she but

838
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.000
she's made but she's like also we
don't know the rules of the star.

839
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.359
We don't like, well, we
know the rules that you can become Queen

840
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:08.520
of fourteen and be so beloved that
they want to make you queen again.

841
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:14.600
Elect you don't don't don't think na
v Navoo. I know. I was

842
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:16.680
just like, interesting, are we
really against his fascistic ideas? When you

843
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.560
have a weird monarch but you also
have a republic. Look, George Lucas

844
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:24.359
currently delivered like the final script to
along with the cameras two days before they

845
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:30.479
started shooting, apparently, And so
but she feels naive is what she feels

846
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.399
like. And so I do think
there is a sort of like childish because

847
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:39.760
this movie is navigating the pieces to
get it all ready for episode three,

848
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:44.479
right, but like, and people
have done this for ages, But I

849
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.079
just I do think it's interesting.
Like, imagine if you had a story

850
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:50.880
that started more in media as of
like you already had, or you had

851
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:55.720
him an older at least like in
the first one, that you had more

852
01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:00.720
time to develop like a romantic relationship. For the beginning of a romantic relationship,

853
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:06.159
you bet you had this space meat
Anakin skywalker here and he's basically a

854
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:12.600
brand new character. And then not
only that, but I remember from I

855
01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.079
think listening to the audio commentaries that
that scene of Obi Wan and Anakin the

856
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:20.760
elevators are reshoot. So that's not
even like they didn't. That's that's your

857
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:26.239
palette setting of what their relationship is, right, I don't exactly know what

858
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:31.439
was there beforehand, but like,
oh, it's funny too, because they

859
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:35.399
have a great I mean, they
have like a complicated but very interesting relationship

860
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:40.159
in Clone Wars. Let's post this
movie that's after this. Yeah, that's

861
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:45.079
that's Lucas being in response to all
of it and being like, what else

862
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:49.680
didn't I do? Right, and
then also taking the lesson that he didn't

863
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:56.680
employ here, which is work with
a collaborator, And it just so happens

864
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.680
that he lucked into a collaborator who
was like, You're vision is sacred,

865
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:05.800
it's true. Now let me kind
of yes and that vision and expand on

866
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:11.680
that and do great things with it, and with someone who actually like understands

867
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:17.680
emotions and dialogue and like character motivations
a little bit better. But there is

868
01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:20.920
a clear we're not talking about Clone
Wars is yet. We'll do that like

869
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:25.079
a month or so, I I
mean, I think there is a constant

870
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:29.920
sort of push and pull of like
what does power really look like, especially

871
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:34.720
for women or for minority or like
marginalized people, and these properties, Like

872
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.359
I think it comes up a lot
with women like it, and it to

873
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:45.600
me, it always looks like and
Star Trek. It always looks like these

874
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:47.880
women have power, but they don't. And they are the ones. They're

875
01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:53.159
childlike and in that way they are
more appealing. They have to be won

876
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:59.600
over and then taken care of.
And I think it comes from Yeah,

877
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.279
I think it comes from a place
of paternalism. And I think it's exactly

878
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:06.439
what happens to Padme here, which
is just such a shame, because she

879
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:10.399
is a fascinating interesting character, could
be you know, and you could tell

880
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.840
and you could have a complex relationship, but like, if you don't know

881
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.359
how to fucking have relationships and write
them, then you're not going to make

882
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.520
it. And here we're starting to
touch on I think the commonality between these

883
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:27.199
two Proper Days are these two particular
episodes, which is both of them being

884
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:34.000
about emotions driving you right. Oh, yeah, I mean that's again,

885
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:42.199
and we know how I feel about
the way Jedi emotions. Yeah, I

886
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.279
mean, I think Jedi view emotions
the way Vulcans like, like, we

887
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:48.640
know my feelings on Vulcans too,
which is that they're like no or like

888
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.239
spos version, which is like you
know, like no, and it's like

889
01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:55.239
but you're so driven by it,
Like you're so driven that in fact,

890
01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:59.319
because you say that this thing,
we are like adopting non attachment, which

891
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.760
you're not not a good version of
it, like you were actually truly dominated

892
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.000
by the thing, like if you
actually were, like, feelings are fucking

893
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:11.159
real, Like of course you'd want
to know that your mother is okay,

894
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:15.439
she use your mother and you take
a child and you're just like forget about

895
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:19.439
your mother, like what the fuck? And then just like you have you

896
01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:26.319
watched this Star Trek Discovery season three, No, there's first off, I

897
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:30.319
think you should watch it, Okay, I think I think you'd be okay

898
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:34.920
starting with Star Trek Discovery season three
and then like watching on and anytime you

899
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:39.960
have a question, just like ask
me uh because it's a pretty hard reset.

900
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:43.920
But also they do something that is
very interesting with the Vulcans. Cool

901
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.560
in that season and good it changed, It changes the game in a pretty

902
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:54.239
interesting way. Anyways. Yeah,
but yeah, both of these things being

903
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:59.920
like emotions will be the downfall of
something. In Star Trek's case, it's

904
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:04.399
well emotions, well, emotions are
pretty help the day and then they learn

905
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:14.000
how to manage it. Here,
emotions are the downfall of Anakin Skywalker textually,

906
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:18.079
even though extra texturally you're like,
no, the systems set them up

907
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:23.199
to fail and all of these things, but the movie is telling us it's

908
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:29.720
because he's got these attachments. Well, yes, that is what the movie

909
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:33.680
is saying. You're that's what even
though Clone Wars probably says that's not necessarily

910
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:38.760
wrong. No, I mean it's
it's it's what Lucas is saying. And

911
01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:42.119
then if we kind of take it, I do think that there are ways,

912
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.600
like just taking this as an individual
film. Before I even watched Clone

913
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.319
Wars, I had this rant about
like man as an individual movie, this,

914
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:53.720
this, this is bad this plus
I mean this plus you know,

915
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:59.479
like that it's got stimulus the prequel
trilogy in and of itself, Like my

916
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:04.800
my rant is always he was literally
set up by the Jedi to fail,

917
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:15.159
Like yes, their whole approach is
like they're the ones that helped fuck themselves

918
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:19.760
over and this approach, this idea
of like a prophesied kind of savior and

919
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:27.600
then to still persist in their philosophy
in a very particular case, like it's

920
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:31.279
not that he's too old, it's
that he literally was raised enslaved, his

921
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:36.359
mother remained enslaved. He had very
legitimate feelings and emotions around the thing,

922
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:41.960
and nobody gave a shit and nobody
was actually truly like present in it in

923
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.560
a way that mattered. Of course, he's not mall it's because he's not,

924
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:51.920
because he's not malleable exactly, and
and that that's very damning, right

925
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:57.560
because the Jedi suck like and they
do set him up to fucking fail.

926
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.239
This movie would have been much better
if there had been even more, if

927
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.960
there have been like way more stuff
with him in Palpatine, but actually is

928
01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:06.439
like a person who's engaging with his
emotions and talking to him about his mother,

929
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.520
and you know what I mean.
But did you like it when the

930
01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:16.279
Calvins turned the crew into rock people? It's a little rocks, Yes,

931
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:19.199
I did. I wish that there
was more to engage with in this episode

932
01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:23.640
of by any other name, I
know I mean, but there it's just

933
01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:28.239
as already said, it's the same
thing. The rocks are pretty cool.

934
01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.159
He does crumple up a yeoman.
He turns her into a rock and then

935
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:40.000
crumples her up and kills her.
It's Grossu's a rock. At first,

936
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:42.319
I was like, oh, he
killed the black guy. Nah, black

937
01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:45.119
Guy's still alive. He has one
line, but at least he's still alive.

938
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:54.880
Good black guy. It's pretty wild. You get one like every ten

939
01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:58.720
episodes. Yeah, and then Rodenberg
gets to pat himself on the back right

940
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:02.920
right, right, So yeah,
I did like the rocks. Actually,

941
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:05.159
when I realized they could turn them
into rocks, I was like, oh,

942
01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:09.039
and I was like, but I
was also still like, they still

943
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:13.720
don't seem like they're that Like you
truly could just get the belts. I

944
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:16.239
don't see why this is so hard. Well, it's because they can freeze

945
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:20.880
them. Okay, they can frae
them. They can press their button and

946
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:24.760
freeze. Can you remind me what
happened? I must have looked away or

947
01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:29.920
something, because they don't they get
Kalinda's belt when he karate chops her when

948
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.119
he kisses it later, don't they
get her belt? Sure? Yeah?

949
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:34.640
Why not? Or something? But
then it's like, oh no, we

950
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:36.920
can't like freeze this guy, right, and then they take and that's when

951
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:40.520
he like kills the yeomen and stuff. But it's just like, why is

952
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:45.760
this so hard? Anyway, I'm
fine, I forget it. It's because

953
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:49.079
it creates tension and this is the
conflict and I'm not gonna not gonna split

954
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:53.640
hairs. Sure. I think that's
pretty much everything that we have to do

955
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:58.199
in the podcast, right, Yeah, I think we get into it there.

956
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:09.319
Probably unless you had a better idea
a long time ago. Start dating

957
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:14.760
this week. I quoted a boat, I dated a GEP, but none

958
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:21.479
of them could work my drive into
high birth space. The best of both

959
01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:31.680
worlds kept me in the second place. Captain's log on a hollow chron I

960
01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:39.880
wanted a snog. I penned a
song seventeen more minutes advise in super high

961
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:51.920
def aboard the USS Enterprise DT.
Don't you take my walk lighter and clip

962
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:58.319
it? Don't you take my wretchered
buddy and nip it. If you spill

963
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:04.319
the tea, I'm gonna sip it. Starship it mm hmm A long time

964
01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:11.520
ago. Oh that's right. We
have to do Starship every single time.

965
01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:16.039
Aspen We've been doing this podcast for
more than a year now, been doing

966
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:21.800
I Starship It for not that long, but enough of a sizeable amount of

967
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:28.319
time. Uh huh, you know, yeah, your partner what? Your

968
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:42.560
partner what? Who jowel your partner? Comedy? Okay, starship it.

969
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:45.239
Although you had a proposition, I
do have a proposition. Okay, we're

970
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.399
going to do both. We're okay, have this. We're gonna go.

971
01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.479
We're gonna sip through this. We're
gonna whip through it fast. Uh.

972
01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:55.720
I still want to do I Starship
It, so we'll talk because I have

973
01:23:55.880 --> 01:24:02.760
to talk about this ship. Okay, round spaceships, romantic ships. And

974
01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:08.920
then I am for sure when to
quickly go through the fifteen outfits padme,

975
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:13.840
Amma dollawares in this film and rank
them. I have the list already,

976
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:19.359
Okay, Okay, can I not
to steal something from you? I don't

977
01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:23.520
think this is we don't have time, Oh god, oh god. Okay,

978
01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:27.159
I'm going to read a text.
This is our podcast, and we

979
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:29.439
can go as hon as we want
as long as we've got no time.

980
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:32.319
We have no time to tarry,
no time, So I do have to

981
01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:40.720
read. I'm going to read a
text to you, because I think it

982
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:45.600
describes exactly how I feel about this
ship. I can't find it. Basically,

983
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:51.079
It's what I said was oh,
I actively moaned when they showed Dooku's

984
01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:59.880
Solar Sales ship definitely not my ship. They shoot off of Geonosis and then

985
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:06.039
out from the front of his ship
erupts this beautiful solar sail. It looks

986
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:12.800
liquid and then it just expands outward
and then it just carries them through and

987
01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:18.520
I literally forgot that it happened,
and I out loud went, oh,

988
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:26.840
I love Solar Sales. I just
love the concept. I love the idea.

989
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:30.039
I love how it's put there.
There's another one there's and it's like

990
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:31.960
it's almost like it's not the ship
itself, it's the sail. And I

991
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:39.600
also feel this way about Obi Wan's
like sort of like like hyperdrive like assist

992
01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:43.239
that he uses, like he like
puts his little ship into it and then

993
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:45.439
it uses. It's not like part
of the ship itself. Oh, that

994
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:48.479
perfectly segues into my ship, which
is clearly superior ship, the Jedi Starfighter.

995
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:55.840
Fair. I do fucking love a
tryangle. It's a little it's a

996
01:25:55.840 --> 01:26:00.119
little star destroyer. You know,
visually indicating the slow into fascism with pre

997
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:04.119
existing knowledge, right, but also
like it's tiny and little, and he

998
01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:09.880
goes to, you know, have
a sweet fight in the asteroid belt where

999
01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:14.239
they're playing with sound in such an
absolutely wonderful, spectacular, beautiful way.

1000
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:16.439
Oh stop, oh my god.
We actually I just have to talk about

1001
01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:19.880
that real quick. That to me
is worth everything in this film. The

1002
01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:28.119
like weird like sonar grenade things like
the sound grenades that Django does, and

1003
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.159
then Boba does that weird little evil
laugh. Fuck, it's so good.

1004
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:36.279
Ben Burt got his paycheck that week. Oh my god, Oh my gosh.

1005
01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:42.720
Great, love that and love that
ship. Nice, excellent, excellent,

1006
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.079
But we don't have time to Terry
and the Jedi start fighting the ships.

1007
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:51.680
Go me, Oh fuck out,
god, you know what, Kenny,

1008
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:55.239
here we go. I'm going to
do it. You know what I'm

1009
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.439
going to do. You know what
I'm about to do? Right, it's

1010
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:03.960
Anakin and padme a bad man.
Yeah. If only for the music,

1011
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:09.159
if only for the theme. The
love theme truly, to me, one

1012
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:12.079
of the most beautiful love themes I've
ever heard. I think it is just

1013
01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:16.640
as good as the Han and Leyah
love theme. And you know what,

1014
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:23.600
our ships aren't always healthy, they're
not always great, and I think I

1015
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:30.199
ship it. I weirdly do.
Maybe they deserve each other. I don't

1016
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:33.960
know. Yeah, anyway, she
does that cute thing where she like they

1017
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.359
roll around in the grass and then
she's on top of him and you're like,

1018
01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:46.119
it gets a uh speaking of unlimited
power himself. She Palpatine and count

1019
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:51.319
Dooku sheep every time. I always
forget his name is SHEIV don't don't act

1020
01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:57.920
like you don't think that Whenever they
get in quarters uh huh they fucking Dooku

1021
01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:03.119
likes to get strapped in that spinny
thing and she just keeps going, do

1022
01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:09.960
it do what? Do? What
do you act? Do? What do

1023
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:15.640
you? Played by the incredible chrisphal
Ly, who look Lucas is famously not

1024
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.479
an actor's director. And Chris really
is able to sell all this terrible dialogue.

1025
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:24.680
Yeah, he's pretty fabulous. He
is able to be The line where

1026
01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:29.439
he runs into Obi Wan is like, please, there's been a terrible mistake.

1027
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:34.800
Apologize, And there's like actual character
decision and wit behind it, Like

1028
01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:40.800
there's actual performance as opposed to I
think every other single line in the movie,

1029
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.439
and you're just like, oh,
hello, so someone's doing some acting

1030
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:47.439
here, which is not anyone's fault. Just might be Lucas being like I

1031
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:53.000
respect you Christ really, you do
whatever you want to. I think it's

1032
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:58.520
why even though it is a little
like who the fuck's this guy, it

1033
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.960
still works because of his grind atass. Yes, like it's kind of fabulous,

1034
01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:06.039
you know. Anyways, Douku is
obviously the biggest boy in the room.

1035
01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:12.600
Watson gravity is so whenever he meets
Sheep Balpatinas like yeah, this like

1036
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.960
this, he thinks he can tell
me what to do. Yeah, real

1037
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:20.399
enemies to love our strope. And
I think that Doo is probably a real

1038
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:27.800
like bratty bottom, you know,
perfect, I love it. Okay.

1039
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:31.880
Plus he's got a curved lightsaber hill
like a penis sick sick, Oh,

1040
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:41.439
just like everybody's penis. Yeah do
you think everybody's Can you vamp while I

1041
01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:49.720
quickly go to the doctor real fast? Okay? Uh, speaking of penises,

1042
01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:56.199
let's rank compare. Well, I'm
not nearly as good as those segways

1043
01:29:56.199 --> 01:30:00.399
as you are. Okay, we're
gonna whip through this. Speaking of penises,

1044
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:05.640
we're gonna went through the whipped this
out. Obviously, this is not

1045
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:10.760
a visual media, so this is
gonna be nearly as interesting, but I

1046
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:15.079
will do my best. There are
fifteen outfits in this film that Padme wears.

1047
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:19.600
I'm gonna start with number fifteen.
Corossant apartment nightgown. It's fine,

1048
01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:25.399
it's very cool. She's mostly sleeping
and then almost getting bit by weird books.

1049
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:29.479
It's mostly just kind of like a
billowy thing she wears. That's fine.

1050
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:34.119
Great. Fourteen in a deleted scene, there's a family visit gown where

1051
01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:39.399
she's wearing like almost like a jasmine
thing, and it is it's pretty hot,

1052
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.840
but it like it's like too much. Is it's too weird, it's

1053
01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:46.439
too weird. I watched that deleted
scene earlier today. It's weird. It's

1054
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.840
too weird, weird outfit. Yeah, it just doesn't it doesn't work.

1055
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:53.560
I don't think it's like almost Yeah, it's like two jasmin in a way

1056
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:57.920
that feels bad. I'm cleaning from
an assassination plot and obviously went back to

1057
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:03.159
my original home. Yeah, right, who'd find me here with my parents?

1058
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:06.239
Right? No one will find me
here. It's fine, it's fine,

1059
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:11.359
Okay. Randon nightgown robe. It's
when she comes out when they're like

1060
01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:15.880
and he's like meditating and he's like
had scary dreams. And basically I put

1061
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.920
it here because it's lovely. She's
wearing a pretty robe. Fine, oh

1062
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:23.119
yeah, if the hair were part
of the outfit, it would be higher

1063
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:26.840
ranked. There's so much hair.
It is luscious, it is curly,

1064
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:32.119
it is gorgeous. Okay. Twelve
Genosis Arena Battle outfit. It's pretty fine.

1065
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:39.399
It's okay. I don't actually don't
hate it at all. I think

1066
01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:43.640
it famously becomes ripped off so she
can get a little bit of belly in

1067
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:47.000
there. So but pretty good,
pretty solid like it. Then I said,

1068
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:48.760
she's got a cape, the cape, So what actually makes it?

1069
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:51.119
I would say that's what makes it
a little bit like higher than the others.

1070
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:58.439
Number eleven the Naboo Pilot disguise.
Pretty good. Looks like she's about

1071
01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:02.239
to go ride a horse, which
I'm into, or fly a plane.

1072
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:05.279
She might do that. Her hair
is like really well braided. You're like,

1073
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:09.720
boots are good. It's like a
beautiful red. The pants are love

1074
01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:12.800
it like deep brown leather. We
like it. We have a good time.

1075
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:21.039
Ten the tattooine cape dress. So
she wears this like beautiful blue dress

1076
01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:27.760
when she's staying with the Lars family, in contrast to the family pausic gown,

1077
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.039
which is like a white kind of
greenish blue that's no, no,

1078
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:31.680
no, thank you. But this
is like this deep rich blue and has

1079
01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:38.600
like beautiful embroidery all over it.
Oh loved it. Fantastic cool. We're

1080
01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:44.880
halfway through. Can you take this
out faster? Nine? The black corset

1081
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:50.199
fireside dinner gown where they're like,
we can't do this. I don't think

1082
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:57.520
it's as like visually, I think
there's something about it where like it's really

1083
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.840
sexy and it doesn't make any sense
that she's like wearing this to just chill

1084
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:06.520
out, but like it's so hot, like it like cinches in and it

1085
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:10.399
goes up and it does this like
she's got like this choker thing happening.

1086
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.119
Beautiful, beautiful. I'm doing this
all from memory. By the way,

1087
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:21.520
that is a weird the fireplace outfit, Yeah, that was famously that was

1088
01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:28.359
the only outfit that was actually designed
by George. Looks really near lying lying,

1089
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.640
you're not lying, lying. I
should have put a little bit lower

1090
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:38.359
than but I think I liked that
it was. I think it just it

1091
01:33:38.439 --> 01:33:42.399
seems a little dommy, and I
like that, you know, I like

1092
01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:48.399
that cool. Oh wait, I
might have like confused a couple I've got

1093
01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.199
okay, no, you know what, I've got tattooing poncho dress on air.

1094
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:55.119
I might have confused some. This
might be I might have confused.

1095
01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:59.039
I've got a cape dress and a
poncho dress, and I can't remember what

1096
01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:02.119
the difference was. I be that
the multiple outfits on Tatooine, the poncho

1097
01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:04.800
dress might actually be the beautiful blue
one. I'm because I was surprised they

1098
01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:08.119
put that so low that one actually
might be that one. And it might

1099
01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:11.319
be that the cape dress is like
whatever she's wearing when she they first get

1100
01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:15.039
to the lar's place. So that's
probably it, and it's the We'll say

1101
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:17.279
the poncho dress is the eight,
which is this beautiful blue thing that's like

1102
01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:24.039
got great seven wedding gown. Love
it, beautiful lace, it's got a

1103
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:27.560
pretty veil, has a great time. She touches a weird metal hand with

1104
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:31.279
it. You like it? I
like it. I think it's lovely.

1105
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:36.359
I think it's like well suited to
like getting married in Italy. Basically I

1106
01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:41.319
like that. It's lazy, Okay. Then we go to there's this deleted

1107
01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:45.399
scene that's like her like talking to
the Senate. She's wearing this wild outfit

1108
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:50.680
that's like very reminiscent of like Episode
one, stuff like very luxurious, very

1109
01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:55.960
beautiful. So I'm putting that one
at number six. If you're not familiar,

1110
01:34:55.960 --> 01:35:00.680
I can always send a picture.
Then after that, it's like she

1111
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.680
comes in and she's talking to them, and she's got it's like the Loyalist

1112
01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:08.319
Committee, like purple Senate robe one. So in that one, that's the

1113
01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:12.920
one where she's got the hair that's
slightly questionable, like because it's a little

1114
01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:15.439
bit like what's going on here,
but it's like it kind of pulls back

1115
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:18.159
and it's got like that big kind
of flat bun thing. And it's when

1116
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:21.840
she comes in and talks to Palpatine, like she comes in after she's almost

1117
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:27.279
died, and it's just like this
really cool, she's a lot problematic,

1118
01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:30.479
she almost died, she almost died. H Then the meadow picnic gown is

1119
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.560
number four. Beautiful. We love
it. We love her little like Leah

1120
01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:39.119
esque kind of like weaved things around
her hair on the sides, like those

1121
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:42.600
little bulbous things that are like like
netting. Love it. We love that

1122
01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:45.840
it's it makes her glow. She's
clearly an autumn. She's like a soft

1123
01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:48.760
autumn. She looks great in this
color, looking great rolling around in the

1124
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:54.600
grass. Love it three packing gown
where she's packing, and she's also got

1125
01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:57.199
like the wild hair, and it's
like silver, and it kind of has

1126
01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:00.640
like almost like a corset that's like
straight down like almost like this older like

1127
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.560
like I don't know what like years
it would be, but it's almost like

1128
01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:08.760
straight down corset. And it's when
Anakin's like complaining to her and she's packing,

1129
01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:13.199
and she's just like, oh wow, sounds hard, bro. That

1130
01:36:13.279 --> 01:36:18.840
gown sounds hard. Bro, I
am packing because I almost died. Yeah,

1131
01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:23.720
exactly. Lot. She's got to
get down to like a bunker.

1132
01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:27.520
Yeah, I know. She's got
shit to do, like go visit her

1133
01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:33.039
family. Second travel refugee disguise.
Ooh my dude. It's very benadjuster.

1134
01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:36.720
It's very like what Lady Jessica ends
up in like and like done too.

1135
01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:43.199
Like everything she's wearing again wearing like
a gold type color. Beautiful, looks

1136
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.479
fabulous on her she glows. You'd
think I might make this one lower because

1137
01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:51.399
it's not actually like very like flashy
because she's a refugee, right, she's

1138
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.520
traveling. Something about it is just
glorious to me, and I love it.

1139
01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.840
The moment I saw it, I
mean, I've seen it before,

1140
01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:00.119
but the moment I saw this time, I was just like, oh,

1141
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:06.079
yes, which brings us to number
one. The lake dress, also known

1142
01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:13.000
as that I hate sand dress,
the one that's like beautiful and flowy and

1143
01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:16.359
like pink and blue and it like
comes down and it like sort of comes

1144
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:18.960
up but like along her chest and
kind of like is on her arms.

1145
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:21.560
You know what I'm talking about.
Yes, of course I do. Of

1146
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:26.920
course you do. Of course you
do. That is the number one had

1147
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.760
my Amidella outfit from Attack of the
Clones, absolutely glorious. When I was

1148
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:38.399
thirteen years old, I drew that
dress like I like would I would sometimes

1149
01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:41.840
be like a draw dresses and stuff
that I really liked that one. I

1150
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:46.119
was like boh, sketch book time. Loved the way it flowed, loved

1151
01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:57.199
the way it folded. Anyway,
there's my ranking. Do you still like

1152
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:01.119
me? I don't love you as
you kidding. Cool up, thanks very,

1153
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:05.359
thanks very letting me do all that. Well, that's not all I

1154
01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:10.279
love. As we finally go to
the main conceit of our podcast, which

1155
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:14.680
is better Star Wars or Star Trek, by asking which is better Star Wars

1156
01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:20.279
Episode two, Attack the Clones versus
by any other name? Aspen? Yeah,

1157
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:26.119
starting with by any other name?
Out of a zero to ten scale,

1158
01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:29.760
what do you rank it by any
other name? Five point eight?

1159
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:31.800
Five point eight? I think I'm
just I was just a little bored.

1160
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:34.520
I was just a little bored by
it. I understand it was fun,

1161
01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:38.359
it was fun. They did some
fun things. I just I gotta go

1162
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:43.640
with my heart as well. You
should, because art is not objective,

1163
01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:48.840
it is subjective. I am going
to give this episode six point five for

1164
01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:53.640
I believe the exact same reasons.
But I do think that it picks up

1165
01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:59.239
quite nicely in the end and we
get some good shenanigans. It feels much

1166
01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:03.279
like a It feels like a week
first season episode, the beginning of second

1167
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:08.680
season episode. It feels like a
weaker version of that. Yeah, yeah,

1168
01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.039
that's that. But we move on
to Star Wars Episode two, Attack

1169
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:15.600
the Clones Aspen on as you're to
tail scale. What do you rank this

1170
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:24.960
puppy? O kitty? Who am
I? Who am I? Who's always

1171
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:28.479
a great way to start off ranking
one of these things. What did I

1172
01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:31.880
give the phantom mess? Last week? You gave it a six point four

1173
01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:41.760
and then in the first time that
we ranked it six point five. I'm

1174
01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:45.600
giving this here we go. I
can't believe I'm doing this no way aspen

1175
01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:55.319
us six. That's a gentleman's sex. You're like, it's certainly not a

1176
01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:59.039
gentleman, perhaps a tramp on the
street. Sure, I'm gonna give it

1177
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:08.520
a two point eight. That's fine. I I there's some cool visuals,

1178
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:17.079
but please do not misunderstanding. I'm
not using this as a to adopt the

1179
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:24.039
parlance of the children today. I
actually cringe during some of this dialogue because

1180
01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:29.439
it is. It pains me.
It pains me. My soul is an

1181
01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:34.760
agony. I can't I believe.
I can't believe. Yeah, but like

1182
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:39.840
say it say with the boys,
use the boy, use the voice.

1183
01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:47.119
It is, in my very thoughts, haunting me. It definitely sound like

1184
01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:55.159
you're from you from little Italy in
Toronto. I don't know something about the

1185
01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:58.680
way it talks as just like I
killed them. I can't do it,

1186
01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:04.560
my impression, but the women and
the children, the children, it's not

1187
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:11.079
even his mouth acting. I am
I'm thinking about They cut to that scene

1188
01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:18.560
on the sofa, and I genuinely
am instantly cringing. Oh, it's great

1189
01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:25.399
because just thinking about it. So
they've cut to a scene and they are

1190
01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:31.039
just it is instant tension where you're
not, oh, it doesn't make any

1191
01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:35.039
sense. Non're we doing? What
are we doing? Yes? And that

1192
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:41.960
scene starts at an eleven in terms
of emotionality, and it's very uncomfortable and

1193
01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:45.560
not in a way where it's Lucas
being like, it's I'm challenging you,

1194
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:51.159
I'm challenging the status quo. I
love it. No, it's just yes,

1195
01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:59.600
because they believe Lucas is he he
is not good at this writing a

1196
01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:06.000
simular of what a love story is. Because what was I doing while I

1197
01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:09.720
was watching this movie? I mean, I was just watching this movie.

1198
01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:13.159
I wasn't distracted. I know you
made that funny joke. I wasn't distracted.

1199
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:15.880
I just was having a good time. That's good. I'm glad.

1200
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.880
What the fuck was happening with me? Great question? Anyways, Star trek

1201
01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:30.680
whin's the week? Oh fine,
it's fine, I'm fine. Yeah,

1202
01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:35.680
that's how I feel, too,
GREENO. But perhaps your spirits would be

1203
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:45.920
lightened by opening it up. It's
the track Wars mailbike mailbacks of course,

1204
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:51.880
Arizona, Mark, my Arizona.
Mark wrote in Mark Vimper The Whole dough

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Maneuver podcast, who are running the
Imperial March Badness bracket all this month in

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March twenty twenty four in regards to
not necessarily our previous episode, Well,

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no, it is up on the
Patreon at this moment because we talked about

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Mark liberally in that episode, and
Mark Vimber comments, Mark Vimber sounds like

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a cool guy, at least going
to the way you all talk about him.

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I agree, yeah. And then
in regards to our animals chat from

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the previous episode and the mail bank
uh, Mark also writes Tobias was my

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favorite Animals character by the way,
I still remember him getting stuck as a

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hawk, and that in animals terms, that was called anthlet ah lit.

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I'd forgotten, I'd forgotten. And
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What do you have to say about
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that you could have said anything else
there. Additionally, if you don't feel

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like contributing money that you have sweat, leaden and toiled over, uh,

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you want, I don't know whatever, It's fine, don't whatever. I

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don't know it. Sometimes I know
everyonans I know. I have to go

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to Twitter to hear if allegedly Kate
Middleton is dead or not? I don't

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know. So you don't know because
you haven't been on Twitter. What's happened

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anyway? Go on? Uh,
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the heck happened, why don't you
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why don't you click over to the
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Festo, where you can get more
of his work in the show notes,

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and our I starship theme was written
by the marvelous Joel tea partner and the

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co host with the host of course
is Aspen T. Webster. That is

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true? That is actually my Oh
yeah it is, isn't it? It

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is? Tea of course stands for
do you want me to say it?

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For real? Oh? You do
it literally whatever you want? And Aspen

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yeah, let me would you this
final quote? Yeah, he's in his

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own world. Mark Hamill observed in
two thousand and five he's like William Randolph

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Hurst or Howard Hughes. He's created
his own world and he can live in

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it all the time. You really
see that in his films. He's completely

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cut off from the rest of the
world. You could see a huge difference

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in the films that he does now
in the films that he did when he

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was married. Marcia would tell him
when he was wrong. No, he's

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so exalted that no one tells him
anything. And that's why it's important to

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have friends like Aspen Webster in my
life. Yeah, all those times I

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tell you you're wrong, like about
Casino Royal Right, Aspending, it's a

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bad movie. Whatever, am I
dude? Whatever? I love you anyway.

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I love you too, Aspen.
Uh, live long and prosper.

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And then before it's beak with you, it's we love you, Ma Conkey Maconkey