Star Wars: The Clone Wars vs. Assignment: Earth

0:27 Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the one source that dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which is better Star Trek or Star Wars by going through all of it, all of it, all of it, every single piece, and I mean that's aired on TV and or cinema right until we die that we consider part of the mega text yah in chronological release orders. So uh, that doesn't mean we're not covering the lego stuff. So it's my fucking fault. But since we're not covering the lego stuff, it has led to some wonderful serendipity this week as we wrap up and begin two new chapters here this week on Star Trek the original series Assignment Earth, the final episode of season two, and Aspen's favorite Star Wars The Clone Coorda I'm So Into It theatrically released August fifteenth, two thousand and eight. I am Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent with me as Per always as the co host with the mo host to the Aspen Webster, Webster and boil Boy.

1:47 How I've been excited to do this episode for well, I mean ever since I looked on the spreadsheet went oh. These two episodes are getting matched up. How are they really? Oh, because it's like, well, okay, why tell me why. We'll we'll get into Okay, No, just don't just like a sentence, give me a sentence. I'll give you less than a sentence. Okay, no, this is still a sentence. Both are backdoor pilots. Oh true, both are backdoor pilots. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm into it, I think except the Clone wars Is is just actually a pilot that went to series and on Earth is not. Yeah, it's just the fourth to the first four episodes of Yes, in movie Reform, we will get into it. I did not even think about that.

2:38 I want you to know that. It took me halfway through the episode to be like sense, that's the backdoor pilot. One of our one of our favorite things. You love to see it those characters that you love so much, Surprise they the stars this week there's this episode. So I really love super Natural. I am not ashamed of I refuse I'm not I'm not ashamed. I'm I don't feel weird about loving Supernatural. Okay, you're fighting so much that I'm saying that you're a little bit ashamed because I not once have I said you should be ashamed of liking Supernatural. I encourage you, all right, I encourage you to love it all right? That make for a great podcast. Actually, just me being like, I'm now, are this Supernatural episode? Ah? Why was I bringing this up? Okay?

3:34 Oh, there's there's the back door. There's like they tried to backdoor pilot two shows. One of them was the worst thing I'd ever seen in my life. The second one would have been something called Wayward Girls, and it would have been so good, but it didn't get picked up. Oh maybe I've talked about this, but movie talked about on a Patreon episode because it has the girl from Lisa Frankenstein. She would have been in that show. Uh, and she would have like been one of the main characters. So maybe I'm okay with it not working out because then she could go on and do other cool things. But what I'm trying to say here, sometimes backdoor pilot's work and sometimes they don't, and this one works, You're gonna have to be more specific in regards to which one works. As we go into the synopsis for both of these property is starting off with assign Earth, a credited story by Gene Roddenberry and Art Wallace teleplay by Art Wallace director Mark Daniels, aired March twenty ninth, nineteen sixty eight, from an NBC press release issued February twenty seventh, nineteen sixty eight. The Enterprise crew returns to the twentieth century to learn how the Earth survived nineteen sixty eight and nearly witnesses the destruction of the world and its assignment Earth. On the NBC television network Star Trek Color cast Friday, March twenty ninth, a twentieth century man, Gary Seven, who has been living on another planet, appears aboard the Enterprise and it forms happening Kirk that seventh mission is to prevent world Holocaust by stopping the United States from launching the first warhead. Kirk and Spock aren't sure if Seven

5:09 is a friend or enemy. An attempt to stop him, ROBERTA. Lincoln, the nineteen sixty eight Secretary, is trapped between factions and becomes an utwinning threat to each She's Spoiler the fucking bess. Yeah man, she rules, yeah man. Very rarely do we have someone in Star Trek that is going what she does actively do it. There's a part where the computer is this guy's computer is like reading her and she's like and the computer's like despite her being a mess. Basically she has above average IQ, despite the fact that she can't even. She in fact can even and her face is just like, oh okay, well what it's okay? Perfect? Loved it, great, okay. And on my side, Star Wars the Clone Wars, which as you mentioned, was released August fifteenth, two thousand and eight, which was shortly after my birthday, which was August seventh. Please don't look me up, oh boy, docs and myself. Oh that Aspen Webster. There's so many of them. I'm just saying it so that people can give me presents on my birthday. And also, if you want to know what my astrological side is, probably people already know. Okay, what was I saying?

6:44 Let's see, so this, uh, Star Wars the Clone Wars something that you waiting for a gear I have, sorry, in distracted by my birthday director Dave Filone with I mean yeah, and also it's George Lucas as well, writers Minnie Henry Gilroy, Stephen Melching, Scott Murphy on this one, of course, and with George Lucas assistance I'm It doesn't say that on IMDb, but I know for a fact George Lucas's role in this, which is very much that he was a huge He was a huge piece of it just goes to show how much better he is with a diverse writing room. Not diverse because there, but like a group of writing, like a room that is not just him. Anyway, let's go for this one. Begotten the Clone Wars have as the war to shape the galaxy way out waves on Anakin Skywalker unexpectedly. It's a new apprentice by the name of Ahsaano. But is anakince what? I'm sorry? Oh? Okay, right, okay?

7:56 Are you saying? Are you? Are you? Are you? This is a commentary on Asoka's a character. Don't get snippy with me. I am snippy because I'm sniff sky guy. Yeah here, I had so much fun. But is Anakin able to prove himself a capable master or his reckless behavior corrupt his new apprentice? That's the only part of it. This is four episodes. Okay, let's let's combine it with this one. They embark on a mission to rescue the kidnapped son of Jeffaha Huts. Why you do that, I'm gonna go get my hat. Okay, the renegade count Dooku, whoever, is determined to ensure that they fail. What do you mean your hat? What are you talking about? Your hat? What hat? What you come back here? Do you have an Ahsoka tano hat? I almost got an Ahsoka tano hat. I saw it and I was like, oh, should I get this? Let's see? So yeah, I gotta find better descriptions. Let's oh, and I'll say this. Meanwhile, on the front lines of the Clone wars, O, we want Kenobi master Yoda lead the massive Clone army and a valiant effort to resist the forces of the dark side. That's also still true. Oh I get it. It's your Dave Filoni hat. Yeah, it's like it's like though, it's more like what's his name's hat from Jurassic Park. Yeah, I look a lot more like Richard Attenborough from dress you look actually you not just the hat like you you could? Oh my gosh, kiddy. Have you considered this as like a Halloween cost Yeah, but unfortunately it would be cost prohibitive because if I were to play the guy that owned Jurassic Park and make a costume out of him, I would of course be forced to spare no expense. I hate you.

9:35 I I did the description. Oh that is that happen made to plastic? Is it? Probably? I got it anyway? Oh cute, thank you, thank you. So anyways, yeah, we got two backdoor pilots, but both with radically different production histories, which makes it. I'm not gonna wear this hat anymore. It's terrible. I'm not sure your head getting hot. No, I just don't like hats, my hat. My head's so big that hats are head prohibitive. What led you to buy the hat? Because I was in Mexico and they were giving them away for pre Oh okay, they're giving them away. You didn't buy the hat? Yeah, when in Mexico you get a pre hat, that's that's the thing. That's what they say. It was, you're getting too hung up on the hat thing and more that we're finally covering Star Wars the Clone Wars Aspen Kenny, you're the one who literally left and got that you're getting too hung up on the hat. Okay, you're putting a hat on the hat that it's great.

10:39 Okay, let's go, you know what you want to go? Let's go n Kenny. Yeah, I need you look me in the eyes. Did you not love ah Soska in this look? I think that He's four stitch together episodes are in fact better than the Star Wars prequels, like hands down on my rankings, and also better than like some of the I've to be fair, I've thought this for a while. I think a lot of my baggage that comes with Ahsokatano comes with the way that I want Star Wars to be as opposed to how it is, because it feels like invention is supposed to extrapolation. But once I get over that and I'm just like, this is what it is. I think it's quite functional. Is the best movie? No, certainly not. But that's casturing the star that great Star Wars flavor in a radically different way, clunkily but clankily but like captures the spirit of Star Wars in a way that because I'm juxtaposing this against the frequels, because this is the first piece of Star Wars that we've had since the end of Revenge of the Sith, Yes, and it succeeds. I gotta

12:11 tell you, I sometimes, you know, last time I watch it, so I actually we'd start last time you watch it, which was you watch it once a day, every day, every truly every day. Just that's why I have no time to do research, because I'm just researching this movie over and over again, showing up my Star Wars the Clone Wars. I love it, blu ray that I own. Did you know that the like his hair, specifically Anakin Skywalker's hair. And this was designed to be longer than it was in Attack of the Clones, but not quite as long yet it will be calm as long as it was in Revenge of the Sith because we'll go through time. This is the beginning of the Clone Wars, so it's the beginning of the three year period of the Clone Wars. But it was specifically cut. It was shown a little bit longer, and there is a touch but like it's like poetry at rhymes and that he looks a little bit more Luke like with that hair length. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this looks great. It's a little cartoon hottie. The only the research that I did for this this week was from Seakers of the Forest, The Oral History of Star Wars by Edward Gross and Marque Altman, and then I sent you a Vanity Fair article that was an oral history of Asokatano, and then looking on Wikipedia and then listening to a more Civilized Age a great podcast, which I thought I was going to be like, I didn't do that much resource research this week, and then I listed off four things research that I

13:41 did. Right, you did? You did? Okay, I'm just in a bummer state this week. So I was watched my stuff and I when so when we originally watched this, which we watched all of these during the pant Panini PANDEMI, Oh, you came along to Clone Wars. That's right, I remember this. That's when. Oh this is like this is also when I like launched hard into like re engaging with Star Wars. You became in Ahsoka Fano. Oh christ, I don't know what happened. Was before the pandemic, the Panini, the Banto ple, like right before it was I remember it was Christmas time. We had like gone on a little trip to Fort Worth. Fun fact, it was so fun for Oh my god, I know I've never been and I got really sick. I had the flu. I got the flu from children. I was working with children and we were in an airbnb in another city and we're there and I just was so unwell, and Joel was like, let's just watch Star Wars. So we just put on all the Star Wars films, which was like the only thing I could do. I could just like lie there and watch films and it brought me a lot of comfort and like try to eat and just be so sick, and so it kind of sort of started something again. And it was actually Joel who was like, let's watch the Clone Wars. Like

15:13 wait, so yeah, my sweet beautiful Bartner. Yes, So we watched all the Star Wars films then because it kind of launched something, as I recall, and then it was like,'s what was the Wars? It was not in order? Which in order? Though I don't It wasn't in like uh four five, six, one two three, seven eight nine. It might have been that. Yeah, like guess technically be four five six one two three, then technically the Clone Wars but no one ever counts that well, no, and then seven Rogue one eight Solo Dying. Wait, know, it was just the trilogies. I don't know which order. Bryces Skywalker come out twenty nineteen December of twenty nineteen, right, I don't think we watched We didn't watch that because I it doesn't exist. Oh it had just happened. Oh I was part of it too. Wow, God, yeah, it doesn't exist. We definitely. So all this to say, Doel's like, I want to watch the Clone Wars. So we started watching the show first and then we're like, wait a second, yeah, because Disney has it buried. There's like so you know, it's like they're just in it and in fact, like we'll get to it. But you know, the first episode is like it's Yoda and some clones. It's it's a battle. It's like, okay, but this, of course we're not talking about that this week. We're going to be talking about that next week.

16:37 No. But so we're a little bit like okay, and then it was like, wait, there's a movie. So we had to go back and watch that, and so that's where we are, Oh man, you must have lost so much contact. Well I was like who was Ahsoka? I was like who is she? Where'd she come from? And then we're like, oh, I see she's I got it. I see where her origin is here. So that's my that's where I came into it. Came to it from it, and again that's not that long ago, but here we are. So how about you? When did you watch them? I? When did you? When did I watch? And I must have watched the Clone Wars and one of my movie marathons that I used to do because I watch. I like to watch movies. It's something that I enjoy. And so I'm pretty sure I bought Star Wars. The questions what I know, Yeah, you filmed Student, you know, but I'm pretty sure that I bought it so I can have the Blu Ray. I specifically remember when that movie came out and I was just like, I have no back in two thousand and eight. I remember reading about it and then watching the trailer and I'm like, this looks terrible, and then reading the reviews and the reviews were like, man, this makes the prequels look good. It doesn't, but I think I think people had just become tired of what Star Wars,

18:07 much like my journey with this, What Star Wars had become as opposed to it being what they wanted it to be, and it's, you know, the irony that was. This does make the prequels look good in that they make the prequels better. We didn't know that. We didn't know that at the time, and so critics were extremely savage to this movie. And the animation isn't the animation is bizarre. The animation is so I as someone who is like the most recent Clone Wars I consumed is like Season seven, most beautiful animation you've ever seen, I in my brain was like, oh, that's right. Early Clone Wars suck in terms of animation, and I was watching it, I was like, this is fine, this is great.

18:49 No, it's this is fine. It's it's bizarre in the sense that it is stylized quite I'm perfect, quite imperfose, Yeah, quite similarly to you know it is it is. But it's also it's very anime inspired. It's it's that very much Tardokowski. It's very deliberately stylized that way to be inspired by like uh anime and Japanese animation. And so whenever I saw that this this is the first Star Wars movie that I uh, a first New Star Wars movie that I didn't go see in a theater, and I just never watched it until within the past six or seven years. Because I'm a completist and I was just like, this is okay. That's that. That's my feelings in regards to this. And I think it's four episodes but together, you know, Oh yeah, most definitely. Yeah, there is a loose arc there. Yeah, it's a fascinating curio. I do. I would love to get my hand on a thirty five milimeter print of this thing and watch it that way, because I think that would add all whole other piece of character Harwitt. But really it's it's just such a fascinating carrio and just a fascinating signpost. And I think there's a lot and the behind the scenes

20:21 stuff is way more interesting to me than I think it's the actual piece. But before we go into behind the scenes stuff, about that, Aspen, Yeah, had you seen this episode of Star Trek before? Nope, And I got't tell you. But I'm glad so I can have this great experience, what experience, this beautiful back too, our pilot first experience. Oh also this experience of where's my? Where's my? Is this the moment? Kenny? Is this the moment? Now? What moment? What moment are you referring to? Refring to the moment when we were watching was Caspall I thought it was. I was like, am I making that up? Because it's a catnet. Now when we were watching Caspot where you were like, Aspen, pull out a piece of paper, and I was like, ah, and I don't know where the piece of paper is. I'm so sorry, but You're like, pull out a piece of paper. But I've been thinking about this piece of paper for it because I've been like, when is this coming? I had one assignment for you, Aspen. I have never asked for anything from you in regards to this. Just hang on to this stupid piece of paper. Okay, calm, I need you to lower your boys. I need you. I need you to engage with your meditation.

21:37 You're such an angry person. I'm sorry. Okay, I don't know where anything is, believe, So anyways, well I'm a mess and I can't even and my IQ is about that verage. So anyways, I asked you to write down and sitting on a piece of paper, and what was that thing that was on the piece of paper? Okay, I'm trying to remember. I think it was black cat woman, black cat who's a woman? Yeah, and then there was something else yeah, but black Cat who's a woman was like the big one. Do you have your own piece of paper that you wrote on? Oh no, what is that it? Or is there something else? The As we have pointed out so many times within this season this Star Trek the original series season two, they have gone back to the well so many times you would never expect them to be like, you know what that One of our favorite tropes is a black cat that's a lady.

22:45 I gotta tell you, Okay, done much better in this than done in Cat'spa Cat'spa Camp Classic. I think that this episode is pretty mid Oh. I just like really wanted to watch the show excellent, just like I wish this Liminish show I would have watched it. It's basically like what is it like? As I was watching, I was like, this would have been effectively a like a sort of American doctor who absolutely like you know, like a sort of plucky, smart female sidekick who's like it says things like, well, you know, it's my generation. You know, that's why we fight for things because we're worried we're not going to live till thirty.

23:30 And I'm like that's hell, yeah, fucking right, dude, too bad, you're gonna get captured by the fear of losing your class status and fall into greed is good capitalism in the eighties. But that's fine. That's fine. That shit. And this guy who's like a human but he's raised on or is like like lives on this other planet and he's like supposed to go to time and make sure that bad things don't happen. And he's like sent around in this little weird machine and he's got he basically has a song screwdriver, but it like affects humans. Yeah, And he but he's like very it's almost like also like you sort of secret agenty. So he's like kind of like man from Uncle. I don't know, it's just very I would have I would have watched it, geddy. I had a great time.

24:15 This guy was fun. Also, he's been the entire episode just never talking or sharing any facts. So everybody who's just like what's happening, He's like, I shot tell you. It's very doctor. I mean Gary seven and William Hartnell's interpretation of the Doctor. Oh, they're both there, you go. I mean you're already made the parallel of it being like he's he's bouncing around with the sonic screwdriver basically, but the sonic screwdriver here also makes people susceptible to suggestion influence. Yes, yeah, absolutely, this is the American doctor who it would have been great. Yeah, and very American in the sense that he's a company man. But yeah, it is. I also really dug that actorug. I dug both of them. I dug her.

25:11 I loved her. I loved her. I was like, I'm in love with her. Robert Lansing and Terry Terry gar future Oscar nominee Tootsie I believe, Oh fun a great film. Oh my gosh, not a film I've seen, but I know, guess what a great thing. Dustin Hoffman, the notoriously chilled Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, Assignment Earth is a fascinating glimpse into what could have been. Yeah, and Young Frankenstein's gun Young Frankenstein, I no wonder. Oh when she's in close encounters, Oh my god, no wonder. She's just like she oozes charisma. Yeah, she so much and also brings a great element to Star Trek that, as I alluded to, wasn't aware that I necessarily needed, which is selling reacting to all this crazy Star Trek stuff, which McCoy is our closest. Yes, yes, but she is just like what what she's she's she's more plussed by all of this stuff. She is non plusst is what she is because that's nonplussed. That's what nonplust means. Oh, she is, in fact non plussed. Oh yeah she was footnotes Aspen corrects me, She's like, what that's the literal

26:47 meaning outstanding? So you love this? And I think that this episode's mid Yeah, I mean, like it's so funny because it's like a mid Star Trek episode, but it's like a great episode of whatever it was going to be. Yeah, well, I think if it had gone to series, it would have been it would have gotten well, depends on who was running the show. If it was Jane, who knows, But if it was run by someone else, yeah, who knows. Yeah, maybe get Gene Coon back there, because I mean, Roddenberry and Kuhn worked together again on another unmade pilot down the road, but we're not talking about unmade pilots. Maybe DC Fontana she could have been great. I just she could have been great, and she on this episode was like, it's a pretty mid episode, Gene, it's pretty mid Oh, Yeah, it's okay, DC, and I I mean's she was not wrong. But also I think it was just that I was having a great time. That's great. And I always like it when because like the vibe of it's so different on purpose, and I was just like, here we are in nineteen sixty nine, whoa nineteen sixty eight? We're in nineteen sixty eight. We are yeah, oh that wasn't the shuttle of course, like because it was like it was that this is actually what happened is it went down and it needed to go down.

28:07 Obviously in sixty nine it did go up. Yeah, because we went to the moon in nineteen sixty nine a nineteen seventy, but one year soon we went to the moon. This is we made a landing that was looner? What is this from? What do you? I know that everyone knows this because I recognize that we went to the moon in nineteen sixty nine, But what is this from? What are you? What are you quoting? The Disney classic? Even Stevens oh, which is why I was never an even Stevens boy. The shilaba for you, Yeah, the shila I've got some shia somewhere. Yeah. I always remember because of that song. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense because it's the idea is that he is averting apocalypse, so it has to go down as was recorded in history. Yes, right, yes, I got it. It's like that Doctor Who episode where it's like, oh no, POMPEII, like Mount PSUVI is going off.

29:18 It turns out I'm the reason that Mount. It's me. It's me. What a bummer of an episode. I love Doctor Who, Doctor Who Rules, which is probably one of the reasons why you like Assignmer Earth so much because he was like, uh he was Doctor Who. He really was like a serious Doctor Who, uh more stern as opposed to Yeah he's more stern. I mean William Hartnell is jovial, well being grumpy, and this guy like a true American, there's no fun to be had. He was a little bit like a Cammer Capaldi in terms of intensity. You try to do a Kapaldi face, so you just try to do I'm trying to do Paldi eyes. Oh the eyebrows and eyes. You just can you do a Scottish accident? Could you not come a wee bit sooner? Oh that's that's not so bad, thank you, that's not so bad. I can't, right.

30:17 I just saw the two thousand and nine Star Trek in theaters. That's where I'm pulling that from. Great movie by the way, that is it is That is a great movie. Yeah, multiple copies of it. It just had a good time, you know, and sometimes lots of things are bummers, you know. I also like time travel. I like it so much, and I like that the episode is just like, here we are in nineteen sixty eight. These are two things that have some sort of time travel asspen whereas I'm on Earth. Is them time traveling back to nineteen sixty eight Star Wars the Clone Wars is them time traveling in their own continuity? Wow, that's good. That's a good madsematic connection. It's good to get to cute. But you know what, and then you know what they both have that's also overlap Truman Cabodi as an experience. There's no Truman Cabbodi and Assi. But Truman did live then. And Okay, if we apply this by Airbud rules, where they're like, it's not necessarily in the rule book that Truman Capodi doesn't exist. I mean he existed then, and in this Java's uncle is a terrible cricatious. Zero yeah, zero, The Hut a real really truly based off of Truman Capodi. Sure, yes, horrifictly listening to a most more civilized age. They have a fabulous diatribe. I know

31:52 how extraordinarily offensive it is, which is why, which is why, coming back to this in my mind, I was like, oh, because I remember listening to that episode because it's the first episode, and no it's not the first episode. No, they're too they do an episode one and episode two episode because they're doing it, and oh they're breaking it up, like okay, yeah, so because I have to have the the they're setting the palette for what the clone wars are. And also like this movie, well yeah, doesn't it just kind of drops you in uh starting with a sensory overload montage? Yeah, well okay, well let me actually back up.

32:34 So I have a lot of sensory moment speaking of sensory like experiences, like I remember a lot of things based on the way I've felt when I was there, like what I was doing. And I have a very distinct memory of listening to that podcast episode while in a good will looking for stuff for our wedding. Fascinating and I just what stuck with me was their die tribe. So coming in to watch this, I was just like, this is gonna suck. I remember the Truman Capoti like Cricketure is horrific. Thig, it's not good because that's what's stuck in my brain. And then watching it, I was like, this is a very small portion. It's the fourth episode, basically, like it's our third or fourth. Like it's not hugely overpowering. I thought that Zero was in a lot more of this. No, I mean it's the exact same problematic thing, problematic racial and sexual things that Lucas Pepper's through the prequels as well. And I mean the original Star Wars to a lesser degree. Yeah, I mean, it's it's ever it's it's ever present. It's like, how we get a fourteen year old a Soka and a dumb little toop top. How did that happen? George Lucas was like, I want to tub top. I want to I like, I like, I mean, I just think it looks good. In the use of the voyage of season two, which I will no longer be able to quote from, they in the books they talk about Gene Roddenberry messing with Roberta Lincoln's costume and making sure that that skirt is short baby, that he's

34:07 literally on set pulling it higher. Okay, thank you creators, Thank you white cis male creators. We salute you. Did you know she's wearing some bye, she's wearing these really cool tights that have like these like cool lines up the back. And the outfit she's wearing is so colorful and so exciting, and that kind of makes me bummed out. But she looks so fun. She is Roberta is so fun, and I feel so sad. I don't get more Robert. I would watch that show. Oh yeah, that would be a fab show. Yeah. If Paramount was smart, they would be like, let's do our own Disney Plus has Doctor Who, Let's do our own Doctor Who. Here's the sign of Earth. Yeah yeah, they do it. Oh god, that'd be great. I'd be so into it.

35:04 I would just be like this back to our pilots, bring it back. Oh god, it'd be good. If that'd be rare. They did it with strange New worlds, just do us. Yeah, that'll be fine. I love it. Let's do it. Tell me. Yeah, we've been I mean, since the beginning of this podcast, we've been talking about great man narratives. We've been talking about George, We've been talking about the Jeens. Yeah that we've all We've only been touching. Yeah on the Daves, on the Folony, the fedor want Himself. Yeah, uh yeah, it's Dave. What do we what do you tell me? What you know about the production of The Clone Wars. I know that when this started, as I understand it, this is a production is what George. George wanted to do this, and he brought on Filoney to do it. He'd really liked his work before and wanted to bring a lot of that style to it.

36:02 So he had a huge hand in this and in fact was like the reason this became a theatrical release as opposed to just the first four episodes of the show, because he really loved what was being done, the way it looked that it was good, and he kind of pushed for it, and that's what ended up why it became theatrical release as opposed to just being on screen. I think there's a perception at this point, and I might be wrong about this, but I'm kind of based on things that I've consumed over the past few years that this is just a soul Folony venture, and it's not. It's got a huge it's hugely Lucas influenced. He had a huge hand in it, and Folony is. I remembered watching something like behind the Scenes once where you can kind of still see that deference too. Like a lot of pieces that come into play are Lucas being like, I would like this, even though you could tell maybe like Folony would have made a different choice. As the series goes on, it is more Folony's and that's what you kind of start to see and until kind of the finals, especially this like season seven that came out after Rebels came out more recently, that's a Folony venture. That is my understanding recollection of it. You nail at least the research that I've done. Okay, here you go. That's just all in my brain, which is why I'm excited for this portion of the Clone Wars, because I'm excited for you to come up and be like, actually, here's why you're wrong. No, and no, I mean it's I

37:32 just I do think it's very funny because we start to we do we craft. There's there is already a narrative crafted. Yeah that Folony is the pure brainchild of the Clone Wars. Yeah, and he's not, and I think that, yeah, he's definitely not, like George is very much involved. But it's also this is the point that Joel reminded me of, like because I think this came up in and like jesse or Al jesse Gender's video about the Decaying Monomouth, the six hour video I watched. But like part of the reason like the Clone Wars has more strength to it is because of collaborative writing room that it isn't just solely just the voice of one person, George Lucas that are there can be even if he might have final say over things or push in things like a weird Truman Capodi caricature, he is, there are still other voices and ideas and other writings coming into play. Like I read off the writers for this, you know, it's each kind of individual episode. They're different writers. Blnny is the director of the thing. So there's there's better storytelling in it because there are various voices, even if there's kind of a creative director in Lucas. So yes, from what I understand in my own research and again can't reiterate and not go listen to the more civilized age episode. They rule there the Clone Wars, and a key figure that they managed to point out is a producer that is only there for I guess season one, Catherine Winder, who I understand is basically standing up Lucasfilm

39:07 Animation, creating an animation department within Lucasfilm. And then she is the one that tracks down Dave Foloney, who was working on various animation assignments and most famously is part of Avatar the Last Airbender. Right, that's right. I was like, what is the thing I love that he did? Yes? Which have you seen? Oh? Yeah, okay, I just want to make sure. Oh yeah, it's so nice. Oh I love it. I love it. George does go to Gendy again and it's like, I want to make this a TV show and Gandy is like no, no, yeah, which makes sense because uh, Filony is the perfect fit for this because he is more of a comedy man than Gendy, right, And I mean that's ultimately what earns Dave accolades from fans, right, because he is a company man. And then also, as we will see over the course of it, kind of becomes the George Whisperer. Yes, yes, and that's I think what's It's like he gains the trust to the point where it's like it is the like maybe it's came from Master and the Apprentice. Maybe that was part of it. Was that's a documentary Master and Apprentice that came out more recently. I think it must have been talking about these pieces, and yeah, it's like he gains his trust enough to be like, to truly be entrusted with the process. Yeah. And then at least according to

40:38 the Secrets of the Force, Folony and Lucas and the Felony brain trusts Henry Guilroy and some other folks whose names escape me, they sit down and break the first season story structure in two weeks and then not only that, right, they have a one hundred episode order. And this is in two thousand and five. Revenge of the Sith has just right happened. That's right, Oh my god, that's right. That's from the podcast. Yes, yes, yes, yes, wow. So people are like, whenever this thing comes out, they're like Star Wars that's kind of done. Right. Meanwhile, production has production starts, like this whole process starts in two thousand and five, and then by the time that this movie premieres, they have just they have episodes just stored ready to go. Yes, they which is fascinating.

41:30 Same thing for Star Wars Detours, the infamous Star Wars comedy show that Seth Green and Robot Chicken folks made, there are just episodes that are just sitting into Lucasfilm vault because that's just how they did it. Is that why Seth Green is in the documentary on the that we saw just is the disturbance of the force that the documentary is that probably helps along with the fact that Robot Chicken did three authorized Star Wars comedy specials themselves, and Seth Green is just a big honking torque. Yeah, because that's what it was like, Yeah, George, you know, I would talk to George and I was just like, George, Yeah, he worked on Detours. Because and this is the interesting thing and the parallel that these two projects have Assignment and Star Wars the Clone Wars. These are creators that are being unusually for as men as they are leanient like open Geene Roddenberry did Assignment Earth and Lucas is like what about Ahsoka, which at the time, people are like, Ahsoka Tano is the worst character in Star Wars. Okay, why why do you think they thought that? You tell me? Why do you think you tell me?

42:49 You know, she's a little girl that says calls him sky guy. Yes. And also it feels like Ahsoka fundamentally feels like an invention as supposed to an extrapolation or whenever. It's one of my least favorite tropes is you can attest to because you're telling me that this awesome, amazing story that we're about to watch happens off screen. Now it is on screen. And not only that Lucas was the inventor of Sarkatano yep, because Folony at least accordinated Secrets of the Force. Was like, what if we just have like a I don't know, like a cool smuggler and like a Jedi trainee and like a cool princess and like, you know, Star Wars characters around this time?

43:34 And then George is like, or you could have like Anakin and Anobi Wan and Dave's like, oh what a what a what? And so he holds those characters and still a little show that I like called Star Wars rebels Star Wars TV show and I have seen good job me. I love that show too. That's rebels is peak and it's true and it where the Cone Wars. I know that I will have to teach myself to like it because, uh, the opening narration makes me want to rip my hair out, and it should. You don't have any hair? Yeah, yeah, yeah you should, by the way, that's the point. So just real quick, just to tell you, but that's no. Let me tell you here, Kenny, let me make here close there close. We're not in person.

44:27 Hi, Hey, you look great. One. I'll tell you one thing. He's so close to the camera. First thing, it was George's idea to make Ahsoka Anakin's padawan very specifically. I think it was she was supposed to be truly obi Wan's important because that's a good choice on George Lucas's part, kind of wild and a good choice. Two, the Clone Wars is that kind of opening narration that happens at the beginning of all of them. It is that kind of tone that is a character. I don't want to spoil anything, but it's supposed to be like, oh shit, a Starship Troopers. Am I think of the right thing. No that the movie I literally just watched a month ago, as when the narration, look that mechanic, what's fine, I'm fine with that mechanic. It's but okay, just real quick. The whole point is that it is propaganda. It is propaganda that you were watching, like you were watching this battle that you'd be like, okay, right, we're on the right side of this, right, Like it's you know, it's it's the republic versus the separatists, and so we are valiantly going into war and that's the concept behind it, and like, yeah, yes, right. It is the voice acting that I can't stand. You don't like it, Glaxy the Viiden, and I'm just

46:00 I am just like you're you're putting on an affectation that is not you are being a sound alike as opposed to being what sounding like what was he sounding like? Supposed to be sounding like those Transatlantic narrators from the war reels that they're copying from. Because if it is propaganda, yeah, you can find someone. I mean, it's the exact same issues that I have with the deep Bradley Baker who voices all the clones, And I'm just like, why not just get somewhere with a New Zealander accents, it's more wor Son. Yeah, well, because then you do, and it's she voices Omega and everybody hates her because they once again hate young girls. So get a real New Zealander accent person and yep, everybody hates her. So sorry, no, I mean, and it's fair deep Bradley Baker coming in and he's not New Zealander, but he is a good voice actor, which is because I'm sure that there are a whole bunch of performances that he is giving where I'm just like as opposed to the clone performances where I am like, uh oh oh, I think you'll get used to it. I think you'll get used to it because you're gonna have to. I'm ninety that I get used.

47:24 You've got so many episodes have to watch it. Yeah. This thing he had like he speaks all of like he's the same voice actor for all of the clones and yet gives them all personality. They're all different people, and he speaks differently for all of them and you can feel the difference. It's very purposeful. So while yeah, it would have been you know, much better, And I'm not sure about Tima Morrison being a voice actor or that, but would have been better to have actual New Zealander actor. But when it comes to voice acting, it's pretty incredible work. Yes we can, yeah, absolutely, this is there. The voice actor for the I forgot what his name is, but he just also plays that character with that voice.

48:14 He's in that episode, he's in, he's in the episode, and he's like playing that character as well, and that character comes back multiple times. He just talks that way the whole time, even when he's not doing an announcement, He's like, we need to run the ship anyways. What I'm what I'm more interested in is like the genesis of this project and George just being like doing this project why, I'm not entirely sure. Maybe this is complete conjecture, but a running motif through all of Star Wars, starting with the uh Return of the Jedi on retconning, and I think says George's effort to be like, maybe I'm talking out of my butt here, please push back, but maybe there's a niggling thought in the back of his head where the Clone Wars the Gendi Clone Wars cartoons worked out so swimmingly. Uh huh, George, seeing his reaction to the prequels, is bummed by it, And here's an opportunity to be like, could we iron out the prequels and do the things that I always wanted to do but just didn't have the time, and then delegates the main creative stuff off to Filonian crew, and

49:45 Felony is deferential to Lucas in the way that Lucas wants wants him to be while also having a creative bone. That is the definition of a dude who played the game, right. Yeah, he's l half a man in chargeo right, And yeah you do with skill and also a little bit of ask kissing, but mostly ask. But also what's fascinating about this is that this is, at least according to the brief amount of Dave Filoni research that I have done, this is the first time that someone is in charge of Star Wars project that has been raised on Star Wars, and so there is yeah, because now you have also like, who am I thinking of the other We've got Tony Goroy, John Favreau. Jon Favreau is Robert Rodriguez. Yeah, I think I was thinking of John Leslie Headlund. So we've got the whole generation of people that are currently making Star Wars that have been raised on Star Wars. But Dave Filoni is the first one who is raised on Star Wars that is also el half a man in CHARGEO. And not only that, but from what I understand, is like a Star Wars nerd to begin with. Yeah, and Spanish is so good. You got that from the hat, see, And so there's a reverential tone to Star Wars that George

51:22 does not have as we've seen with the Briguels. Sure, he's reverential to a point, but then also you get something like episode one where George is just like, I'm gonna make my own thing and he just kind of forgets to be reverential to Star Wars until episode three and then gets a little bit like to we got to connect all of these string strings, I don't you know. And it's funny. I feel like now we've come into a space where we're like, stop being so reverential of Star Wars. Let's get away from it. But I think it serves it very well in the Clone Wars. Yeah. Because this it's sorry to interrupt, but the thing that I like about the show interrupt me interrupt me again. I think you're gonna say the exact same thing, which is that it gets the tone of Star Wars right. Sure does. Whenever Anakin is yelling to Obi Wan they're back, I'm like, okay, great, they understand what the tone of Star Wars is supposed to. And it's funny as fuck. Yeah, it's great.

52:34 It's tongue in cheek, but it's also taking things like seriously. There's no like mathos to it. It's it's like true, like there are stakes and also this is who we are, like these are funny character moments. It feels deeply Star Wars and it just feels fun like assimon Earth, it feels very fun feels very interesting. Yep, one hundred percent. I think that's exactly what you're talking about. Is Yeah, it hits the tone just right, and so it really is does it as service? And I'm you know, I again, you're right. We don't know the internal workings of George Lucas's mind. I this can I think be more brand extension as well.

53:19 But at the same time, he made like he financed one hundred episodes of this TV show. Yeah, and then they ended up like being like aired this movie has the Warner brother shield in front of it, at least on my Blu Ray. I don't know how it is on Disney Plus. No, it didn't, yeah, because it's it was distributed by Warner Brothers. Because this thing aired on Cartoon Network, and right, if I recall correctly, they didn't have a home for this stuff. So George was just gonna have one hundred episodes of the Clone Wars, just like he's got episodes of Detours that are just there. I mean, okay, Kenny, like, yeah, yeah, he brought in right, like a huge team, like three hundred people, like he obviously believed in this thing, and all we can do is presume. But I do think you bring up an interesting point, which is like, still like if I had if I had created three movies and seeing people be like boo, I would be sad, you know, yeah, I mean I'd be bummed to the fuck out, and I just be like, oh, I mean I really like Star Wars. I like this thing I made, and I'm like, this is a disappointment.

54:46 So I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there's like a Okay, well, how you know, do I take this and you know there's still a story to tell and maybe maybe do what couldn't be done. He did what he wanted to do in terms of special effects and kind of like this newness he was able to capture what he wanted so badly, right and the special editions, being like there's things like that I wanted that I didn't have access to technologically and now I'm able to do it. But I yeah, so I just I'm not. I don't. I think we can often in the same way that we lionize people and take them out of their humanity and they're like, look how perfect they are when they're not, we also might rob some of their humanity by being like what a piece of shit? He's like selfish in an asshole, and it's like, well maybe you know what I mean. Yeah, it could be. It could be both. It could and it could be it could be more, it could be. Yeah, I just want to keep making money off the thing, and that's at the same time, I want to keep this going and expand on the story and pass it on to other people, you know, being keeping this going.

55:51 Assign on Earth, You're so good at that, Thank you. Wow. They're filming this episode in the beginning of January, and morale. Morale is low because they don't know Star Trek's coming back. Oh, they don't know what's been if it's going to be renewed or not. No, I forget which episode of Star Trek it is, but there is a letter writing the famous letter writing campaign where the NBC was flooded with so much mail that they literally they never had never done this, at least from what I understand, they had had to literally come on the air and be like, Star Trek has been renewed for a third season, please stop sending us mail. Yeah, And so morale is low while filming this because they don't know if they're coming back. Gene Couhon has quit. Everyone liked Gene Kuhon, John Meredith Lucas is who he is. I think he's doing a good, good job.

57:00 I think it was you or someone else that or had mentioned the story about Shattner and Geene Roddenberry being on stage at the exact same time, and William Shantner just doesn't about face. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, morale is low. Yeah. And not only that, as we talked about this year, Geene Roddenberry is basically pieced out for a sizeable enough portion of season two of Star Trek to write an unproduced Robin Hood pilot, and so they ended the season with this backdoor pilot where Kirk and Spock are like, well, looks like Gary seven and ROBERTA. Lincoln will have a lot more fun adventures.

57:46 Yeah, they're barely in the episode. That's funny. They're kind of villains in the episode. Yeah, they are their obstructions to Gary seven where they're like being nebulous about what Gary Seven's allegiances are. But we know he's our good guy, and Kirk and Spock obviously are good guys. I mean, I think what helps him is the cat lady because just to be clear, to be clear, isis because you always have the top like cat spot, there's another black cat that's a lady. The cat makes it a ten out of ten for me, okay, because do you want me to just put that on the spreadsheet now, Yeah, just let's just go for it.

58:32 Because someone is obviously like also doing like a touch more like sound effects for this cat because it's not just normal cat yelling. Is Barbara Babcock. It's wait, really, that's the voice actress of the cat. Oh incredible because this cat is doing things like really and it's reacting and I love her and like I was just like, what a well trained cat. At one point when he's like lying, he's like on that kind of like thang up in the sky because he's working on the shuttle. You're working on the rockets. He needs to bring it down. The cat is just on his back.

59:12 I'm like, look at you, you like a little way to blank at you. Perfect baby. I love you so much. Which is so funny because she's actually a sexy lady and she can be both. She can be a perfect baby and a sexy lady. Yeah, we're not going to a sexy lady shame here. No, I want to be a sexy lady. We support you. Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, no, I love that cat. She's making so much noise. He's just like she's just like he's like I know, like listen, and she's just like like if I like, that's my dream job is to be that. Okay, So when they bring this show back, what what what are that's your dream job above anything else? What if it was like a professional napper? No?

1:00:00 Someone went no, I will pay you two hundred thousand dollars to nap, I do. Okay, that sounds really good. How much should I have to nap? As much as you want? Okay, not like more than I want. No, They're like, hey, we're one of those companies where you make your own hours. Dude, Okay, stop distracting me. Okay, I'm talking about being a cat voice actor, but like that, not like the cat, not like sale in the cat from from Uh yes, exactly, it's good. No, I mean making cat sounds, but like in a human way. Sometimes they do that on stage. I do that on stage a lot. I play a lot of animals. Sexy amal lately support thank you so much. I think you thank you. This is who I am and inside Yeah, sorry I got off track talking about how much I love this cat, but oh, because what I was going to say is, I think it's hard to think he is a battie even though he's holding a cat. So at first you see him and you're like, oh, that's very blowfeld of you. But like the cat's cool and he's pretty cool. Yeah, And there's Roberta and you're like she's pretty cool, and you're like, well, he can't be that bad he's got a cool cat. I couldn't help but think about Star Trek two. I know that movie. Yeah, we done, we covered it on this podcast.

1:01:28 I know it's great. It's a good movie. People should listen to that episode. It's a great app because we really liked that movie. Yeah, because we watched like two really good movies that week. Oh because that was Empire and yeah, got right, because oh my god. Yeah. But for the making of Star Trek two. The producer of that, Harve Bennett, watches the original seventy eight episodes and picks con because it's like that guy pops, Sure it does. He does out his shirt. You know who else hops? Gary seven in this episode? Oh my god, what a dude. I looked him up. I was like, what's this dude? Ben In was he doing? Became a he was a supporting actor, wasn't really ever a leading man, and then became a supporting actor after this?

1:02:13 What a shame. He is gravit lancing. He's got hot. Yeah, man, he's hot, He's got gravitas. What a guy. How old do you think he is? Oh? Oh oh oh, you asked me this question. Usually and they are much younger than I think they are. I'm going to go with twenty eight. That's okay, you've undershot it. Deal now, Oh okay, forty very close, thirty eight, thirty nine, that's thirty nine. Okay, well I'm four years away from that. Oh yeah, Gary seven. Yeah, well we look very useful. Did I ever tell you about this time that I like, sort of drunkenly met a lady and she was like, I'm in town because my daughter's trying on wedding dresses. And I was like, oh, that's so nice. And I was like, your daughter's trying on wedding dresses and I was like what like? Because she also looked pretty young, and she was just like yeah, and I was like wow. I didn't say anything, so I'm like, I don't know, I don't. I'm just like you're you're so fun and you're don't And then she was just like, how old are you?

1:03:19 Like twenty five? And I was like, wow, thank you so much. A thing that I hate that I liked, but also when I was twenty five, I looked very young and I didn't get a lot of respect, so it's always been annoying. And now I'm just like, oh my god, thank you and they're like, what do you do? And I'm like, I don't know. I just don't smoke, and I don't have children. I drink a lot of water. I don't know. I try to keep my blood pressure alone. I dress like a child. I dress like a ten year old boy. That's what really makes me look twenty five. I will. You're wearing the largest six Flags Fiesta Texas shirt that I have ever seen. Big shirt, big shirt, big shirt, huge shirt, huge shirt, huge shirt. Just dumb little shorts. Speaking of our little shorts, Gene Roddenberry had written Assignment Earth in nineteen sixty five. Yeah, it just does a spec pilot met up with or got partnered up with, Art Wallace, who asked, been, obviously you remember what episode he wrote? An episode that you definitely remember and I definitely remember, uh the Apple, Oh, Aspen, it's so much more memorable than that. Oh it's a great you know that episode that we both just love, you know.

1:04:51 Obsession, Yes, obsession, Yeah, boy, we're back obsession and dares to answer the question what a Captain Kirk was a cloud Yours is much better? No, I'm sorry I step on your joke. Sometimes I'm so sorry you're allowed to step anywhere. Thank you. I could have gone in multitude of way very quickly. So it gets partnered off with Art Wallace because he's got a Gene Rodberry's pilotics called seven. Art Wallace's is uh better called space Cop. I really like it much better. It's only cops, so I'm glad it didn't happen. But yeah, but you kind of put the words space before anything problematic, and it kind of improves their reputation. I guess that's true. You'd watched you you check out at least six episodes of a show called space Cop. Yeah, like a nineteen sixties procedural called space Cop, and you're like, I'm sorry, what, I'll check it out.

1:06:00 My god. He even has like his own transporter that's very tardist like yeah, like except it itself doesn't move, like it just transports him other places. But it has a whole vibe. Yeah, he's got a whole vibe. And there's a whole like Gallafray and type secret culture that we're not aware of. But instead of time lords, that's all agent numbers. Because Gene's also cashing in on the spy craze of the time. Which is oh, which is unders like that that explains the man from Uncle kind of feel. Oh yeah, right absolutely, so yeah, I'm sure like so many things. Also, yeah, that's great. It's by James Bond. I love it. I'm just telling you, look at what we look at what we lost, look at what we could have had. And this is the value of when character, when creators kind of don't care. I'm gonna go right fan fiction. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's like they're like, okay, sure, you do your thing, and it's like, I know it's a mid episode, but it's like we're a great time. Yeah, Because Geen Roddenberry wasn't precious about Star Trek even though he didn't like have problems and he wanted Star Trek to be a certain way. At the same time, Homeboy was just like, well, Geen Roddenberry was more concerned about his own ego versus the quality of the thing. And then, as I've said before, come next Generation. The two get intertwined, which is sexy, fascinating. Yeah, and so he's like, sure, we'll do this, as they didn't know if this is going to be the last episode of the

1:07:33 season. Turns out it was, and it's a hag of a note to end the second season on. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's kind of a weird m hmm. It's weird, Like I imagine if it had been the last episode you got of Star Trek, it would but it felt very strange, like we're ending Star Trek. I can't wait for you to watch the last episode of Star Trek that we no is it also a weird note to end one? Oh yeah, oh yeah, wow. I guess it's no different than any other show that's like I guess we got canceled and you're like, oh boy, now yeah, oh man, I don't know what that's not good, like sen Sate and you're like, we'll just get a weird nonsense, extra long episode to wrap it up. I can't wait for nine years from now when you watch Sin Satan and like it. I haven't. I'm with that speaking a weird nonsense extra long episodes of the Clone Wars weird step back. We're back baby, because we like to talk about the politics and the philosophy of these things, and we're kind of I mean, obviously, Assignment Earth's politics are worn pretty pretty loudly on its sleeve of being like war bad, Cold War bad. Well, let's all get together, and also you know, having a good spy romp. Because the paradoxical thing of Gene Roddenberry being a conservative liberal yeah, or I guess a neoliberal is easy. Is he a neoliberal? I mean, yeah, he's not

1:09:06 a lefty, but he's a Hollywood liberal and of the nineteen sixties in the sense of being like, I like, being a company man. Yeah, no, you can call it that. Yeah, they're like, yeah, not progressives or leftists, but it's like a white liberal. I mean, we have different terminology for that now versus what it would have been then. I mean, yeah, he's a white liberal. But yeah, even while Geene Roddenberry was not a company man himself, the folks that he got famous for writing were very much company men were bound by duty and honor and bound to a system, and not only that, but enjoyed the system that they flourished in, right, which is what carry seven does. Yeah, I mean exactly. I mean, you're it's interesting because I was, like, I actually felt that it was. It is. It is both so heavy on politics that it doesn't feel like it has to do with it at all.

1:10:00 Yeah, like because it's like, yeah, sure, of course this is about you know, this is about the way it is framed as I am stopping World War three. Yeah, so it has just like a huge stakes element to it that's not really engaging in any kind of complexity about our role or like Russia's the Soviet Union's role kind of thing. It's more just like, yep, we got to do this kind of this this wild spy like things actually mission impossible esque thing. We've got to stop the rocket, We've got to start us launch by the United States. We've got to stop it, right right. Yeah, Yeah, that's true. I think it's more like it's like the shape of the idea of the United States, or like Earth as it is not being quite advanced or good enough at this point, you know. That's why it's assignment Earth. Like he he comes back and he like because they intercept him. So he's up on the the intercept him onto the Enterprise and you're like, oh, fuck is this guy.

1:10:57 He's like a dude that's clearly from the sixty but like it's like, oh, we haven't you know, like met the Vulcans for Wager from the future, and you're like, who is this guy and his cat, which is pretty fun. But then he gets he's able to go back into the building and he like looks out the window and you know, it's like the street in New York City down below with all the cars, and then the cat's like he's like, yes, it is like uncivilized or it's yeah, it's like the way that people live now, right, And so understanding this sort of like this like current reality versus a more idealistic future that he has to be the one to ensure because he's coming from an alien culture that is far more advanced, far more like literally civilized, and you know, any kind of thing. So I think, you know, that's a broad statement.

1:11:45 Feels more like a broad statement on general geopolitics and just humanity in general, just very star trek thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this was Geene Rodnberry trying to play ball a little bit, because he's notoriously prickly with NBC. Not no one really finds him easy to work with. Case I point a whole bunch of supervising producers like Gene Kuhon and John Merretith Lucas leaves after this and We've already had other producers that have left Swell, and NBC is just like, so maybe Gene Roddenberry is trying to iron out his idiosyncrasies and play ball a little bit. Man. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a little I don't know, didn't feel particularly like uh like risky Gene wants to make money. That's why he's in this whatever. I mean, it's I mean, it's a filony thing, right like which who Clearly I'm not putting down Plonia saying Felony's do any just things for money. He obviously has like a strong creative endeavor. But I guess an argument I want to make here as someone who is grumpy about work physically a very personal thing is happening right now is the idea of playing the game to advance versus like like truly getting to like do truly artistic work, like you know, like I'm sure Tartokowski was just like, yeah, I'm not going to be able to actually do the thing I want to do for like long term, like what I would want to do, You're going to stop, Like I would have

1:13:17 to come in and play the game to be able to make to be part of this and I don't want to do that. I'm not going to sacrifice what I see as my artistic integrity. I'm sure Feloni was not sacrificing as I think he was, Like, I do want to be part of this. So this isn't me like putting anyone down, but it does make me think sometimes about like what you have to give up to have something, especially in like the art world, which you give up to have something made, Like even you know, it's like right now, we deeply underpay artists, like excruciatingly. So like artists who play in south By Southwest get paid like one hundred dollars. That's for like your entire band. Yeah if that so you're paid penny first person bive a badge costs two thousand dollars, right, you can also get a badge for free. But also you still I think if you're a performer you need one. Oh it might be that you can either have that or money something like that. But it's like yeah, but when it comes to actual pay, yeah, you're not paid anything. Look at streams on Spotify, they're paid nothing. They're all like this model of like you can't even get any kind of money based off of it. So artists who are creating just typical artists, not your Beyonces obviously, but like, you know, smaller artists, people who are creating the music or writing the books or doing the things that you love so much, are being so severely underappreciated underpaid. But then if you like look at other forms of this in the past, something like a having a system where you had a you know, someone who was funding your work, that's then going to be subject

1:14:51 to the whims of rich people or rich institutions. So if you are someone who's being paid to create work by the church, now of course you're making like Jesus themed religious propaganda. If you are someone who's being funded by a Rockefeller, now you're making paintings of rich fucks. Like It's so there's a sort of I mean, and you know, so I wonder sometimes about our ability truly to like make you know, like I think I've come to the point where I'm just like, wow, I mean, if I'm going to make art, a probably not gonna be paid for it, especially not like unless you decided to become a marketing genius, right right, And and you know, and I think about that with these things where it's like, I don't I don't fault Roddenberry for being like I want to stay on air and stay on the network even though I'm like annoyed by them, like all like dilute shit, you know, I wish you wouldn't, But also like, you know, the times where it can get through is something like and or where they weren't paying attention to it at all. Right, yeah, and now it's like, holy shit, I'm sorry. Did an extremely subverse save television program just get put powered out on Disney Plus, like one that is very anti structural of what Disney Plus represents? Holy moly? How did this happen? Right? Yeah, so sometimes happens. Right. How does this tie into Dave Filoni? Do you think? Because we talked about this term,

1:16:23 and you have challenged me on this term because I use it a lot, and I like to use it a lot because I think it applies to a lot of populist art at this point in time. And this is not something that I think Dave Filoni is even now whenever I don't like his stuff now, cynical, Dave Filoni does not seem cynical in his creative choices. It seems like heights in those things. You could have a lot more of an agreeable comedy man, like say Alex Kurtzman, who is currently in charge of Star Trek. And it took years, and I think it took Alex Kurtzman getting stretched very thin at some good Star Trek finally started to pop up. But Alice Kurtzman strikes me as someone who is like, what do Star Trek fans like? We'll try that, but also, how do how do I make CBS and Paramount happy at the same time? Well, I think I think you're right, like, and I think I'm thinking of are you thinking about artists attempting to flourish against this hyper capitalist environment? Because Dave Filoni has essentially made it as long he's as he's willing to make Star Wars forever.

1:17:36 And then he's also made the extremely rare thing that animation folks do, which is he's jumped over to live action. Right. Well, no, I think what I am arguing is I think he has gotten to remain like doing the things that he loves and has stayed. Yeah, and he's not cynical. He's truly loving the thing and making what he likes, getting to have creative freedom. And I think maybe what I am positing much like you were, like, I don't know what's going on in Georgia lacause his brain. I wonder how much of that is possible by playing the game of being a company man. Yeah, versus if he had not been, if he had been more like I'm interested in you know, it's like what we're talking about the topic. I'm interested in more kind of ideas that go harder, Like, you know, if he had gone for anything more, That's what I'm looking for here. You know, safe, he's no, if he had gone for not safe. I think harder is the I think correct word.

1:18:36 And or uh, shoot, well now I'm looking for a different word for lack of another term. And or it goes hard it's yeah, well yeah it does. And then all of Filoney's choices Strike has very safe. Yeah, they're pretty safe, I mean, but not cynical because you look at the reaction to the felony stuff, right, and all of it except for some reason season three at Mandalorian, for some reason, that's the drop off point. But I'm like, did you see the end of season two of Mandalorian? Stink O rue? But I think Mandalorian. I think people mandalorian is characterize it more as Pavreau, I think, rather than like just your Faloney adventure. Disagree. I do just think of it as And you know why I disagree. Why because Mando and Dave Filoni both wear hats.

1:19:28 Oh okay, And so whenever Star Wars fans are watching Mando for the first time, they're like, a, Manda's wearing a hat? Is that Dave Filoni? And I had to be there being like, no, no, that's a new character, and they're like, no, no, no, no, they have a hat that's Dave Filoni. And I'm like, no, my god, no, no, no, my god, that's a helmet. And I'm like and They're like, no, helmets aren't real. And I'm like, should I have picked you up in my tours? No? Definitely not, definitely not. Now, why did I take you back to my apartment to watch the premiere of Mandalorian as opposed to getting you emergency services? What is going on? I'm driving? Okay, Uh, it's neither here nor there. Anyways. That sounds like it was a really hard time. It sounds like it was a red Mandalorian was a really hard time for us. It was a really tough time. It's a really time.

1:20:23 Sorry, I really, I promise you. I'm like way with you on this. I'm just like curious because I guess obviously as like kind of creative director on things. You know, he wrote four fises the Mandalorian. Yeah, but let's see, and you know produced it. I'm like looking, and why am I? In my mind? Is Fevreau more? Oh? Yeah, because you created In the first season, Favreau was a lot more involved, and then the season two happened twenty four apps. Yeah, or just like Filony's all Colony's favorite things are there? I see is now here and yeah, and of course yeah, bokas on which is all which is all? That's all rebels. But Mandalorian uh saga is all clone wars?

1:21:16 Right? That makes sense? That makes sense? I yeah, I think you're right. It feels safe. A lot of it feels very safe. And maybe that's what I'm getting at, is like the idea of going hard versus being safe, and you're gonna get You're gonna be able to keep on making the clone Wars and then crossover if you're safe. Also, it seems like just like a really nice guy to work with. He just seems very kind and very enthusiastic, and that's great. I believe it's wonderful be nice of the forest. And perhaps this was just a sound bite, but I believe that it was Ashley Eckstein who voiced Ahsoka. I can be misttributing this quote, but she says Dave is the best director that I have ever worked with. I'm not surprised. I am sure, like this is what I was saying. I remember, like episodes ago, we were talking about like him becoming like the new creative director, and I was like, listen, if there is a dude, usually a dude the people like working with who is genuinely like agreeable, amenable that like actors like working with, like the kind of the crew likes working with. Yeah, that's like, why not, Like not so many pieces of shit are in charge of things? Phil Lord, Yeah him, heart of him. I'm not going to fucking complain.

1:22:32 And I love Floony, I love the Clone Wars, I love Rebels, I love these pieces like so much so so I'm not saying anything against him. I'm just kind of interested in the games we play. What do you think about the these four episodes what it has to. I mean, assign on Earth is interested in telling a yarn that Yea is using Cold War as aesthetics. Yeah, I guess Clone Wars a little bit is interested in using Star Wars as aesthetics, which is, yeah, it's telling a yarn and also kind of replatforming what Star Wars is for another generation of folks and then also kind of repiloting what Star Wars is by We've got banter again.

1:23:24 Yeah, I mean I think I think the introduction of Ahsoka and Ahsoka Tano, Ahsoka Tano, not the other Ahsoka Ahsoka Jones. Yeah, she is a real piece of work. I mean the conflict that exists between her and Anakin to start with, that shifts over the hour and forty minutes that you're watching this film. Slash four episodes is a really beautiful arc to watch. To know she's a kid. She literally just went from being a student to now being a padawan because she's a fucking child soldier and she's been put in this situation. We're not there yet, Sorry that's been but no we are because it happens here. But we're not aware that that's offensive yet, because it's right now it's just a kids show. Okay, I mean it's true, but he he I think, I know, I have the current vision of it. But he says she's just a young ling, which is it translates that all the way. Also, he's like nineteen whatever, he's not that much older. He is, like, it translates to you're still so young and you're literally being put into battle. What does that mean? Like it's not just like, oh I don't want to deal with this kid.

1:24:45 It's like, esus, we're in the middle of a war and you're here. What's okay? I had to like fucking keep you alive, you know, like I gotta teach this kid to fight. And what we do eventually kind of come to is this realization that that is all this Oka ever gets to be. She doesn't get to be a keeper of the piece. She has to be a child soldier. But at this moment in time, he's such a surprise to be like, Okay, this is my you know, she is my padawan. I don't want this thing. And her personality is so perfectly I think positioned right because she is kind of a touch of him, like in terms of like kind of like bravery, recklessness and then a touch of Obi wan and being a little bit more like straight, like to stay the course of like this is what the Jedi are, and this is what I need to be. So she's like a good combo of them.

1:25:36 So I think she works because he's petulant, she's petulant, and it's just like an explosion and they like fuck with each other and like the sniffs and the sky guy and then by the end of the by the end of the movie, by the end of the episodes, they've developed what is I think a beautiful platform for a very strong relationship that just went through so much. What did you just say? A platform for a very strong relationship? What don't you do it? Don't you do it? A long time ago started dating. This week I quoted a both I dated a geek, but none of them could warp my drive into high birth space. The best of both the worlds kept meet in the second place. Captain slog on a Halla kron.

1:26:36 I wanted a snog. I penned a song seventeen more minutes advise in Super High dev aboard the USS Enterprise DTV. Don't you take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my red shirt, buddy, nibbit, spill the tea. I'm gonna sip it a starship it. Hey, motherfucker asking what are we doing? I'm over here being like, what about that shape of show? What if we just I told you more stories about myself where I heard a podcast for the first time. We are going to name our favorite starships in the sky, our favorite relationships in our heart. That's right, we are. Yeah. I will not be shipping any children.

1:27:40 You're not shipping any children? No interesting, interesting choice? Oh but I I oh my god, Oh do I do this now? Or do I say this? You should go first? You go first, you go first. I mean if I get to go first, then I'm going with Gary seven and Isis Okay, okay, so good, you took it, so I go with the other one. Oh my god, Sorry, don't act like Gary seven Isis because they're both field officers. No, no, I was I was that if you hadn't I love It's not beat around I mean I also had a Star Wars one as well, But I'm going with Gary seven Isis. Let's not beat around the bush. You know, they're both field agents. They both had to let off some steam. You know, you know that they hooked up. They're flirtacious banter yeah, brown, Yeah, and if look, if they haven't consummated their field agent status, then you best believe that they're flirting up a storm in this episode. To be clear for people, she does have a human for yeah. Sometimes once there were Lincoln seas and then double takes and it then goes over again. Is just like, can you explain to me who that is? By that time, she's gone back to a cat, you know, you know, you know, you know, dude, it's like such a good dead pen like

1:29:13 he's just like, that's my cat, and you're just like, ha ha. Although if they're really dedicated to it, he would have said that's my pussy. Oh, and they weren't. What a disappointment. Imagine they had gone harder, you know what. No, I don't. This is not related to my ship, but I just it occurred to me. I forgot to mention because you caught me off for shape as show Kenny that the other reason the Clone Wars rules is because it's not just a soca. It's also venturous and it's also rex. It is three of my boys. Ahsoka Adventuress and Rex. I love Adventres, who you met, Yeah, we have met four presumably she died, but she's not dead here, there's somehow Ventres returned, Venturess returns. In fact, you kind of have this moment where we're watching it. I'm talking about Ventures for a reason. She's part of my ship. Uh. Joel was just like, has it been established in this that Anakin knows her? And I was like no. And because I had not watched the two D Clone Wars, I remember first seeing her and being like, I guess she's just a scary spy sith you know which I'm like, that's all you need. No, But I I am of the mind that you need the two D Clone Wars in order to understand who the heck Ventress is, because she just shows up. I never did smarter watcher

1:30:45 than I am. Now She's They basically have one line where it's just like she is Dookou's spy and she is a fighter, and it fucking works. I had not seen two D and I was like, I get it. She's she's she's like a grievous right, Like she's another one. And so you think that everyone's a grievous. It's really frustrating. Yeah, it's a real grievance. My ship is uh Venturess and obi Wan. Yeah, of course that's the other one that I was going to pick. Yeah, those are the two. Those are the two biggies. I though. To be clear, ship dventurous with everyone she has she has chemistry with everybody. There was a chair and Ventress was flirting with that chair. It was incredible.

1:31:33 But it's like very toppy, like flirting every time. Oh god, like she oozes sexy. Do you know she's she's a death of me or she's a night death witch. Oh my gosh, death witches, we get it, dath and mere witches everything. So Datha meir witch. We were walking the other day and you were eating a burrito and you were like, you know what's great about this? It's a death amount And I'm just saying, no, it just has a little bit more cilantro on it than a usual burrito. It doesn't taste like soap to me. Tastes like spice. Oh yeah, love Oliver. And she's the reason I was like, oh should I wait? I'm like, because there are so many moments of like Ventus Obi Wan that. It's like they have like a we fucked kind of vibe to them, Like it's so good. That is mine for sure. Uh.

1:32:35 Speaking of ships, Yes, that's the game. Let's move on from ships to ships. Ships. I'm gonna pick uh the Republic drop ship. Oh a really cool ship. Oh, I think that was gonna be mine. Not the not the star Destroyer, mind you, but the one with kind of the over wings. And I mean they're definitely model after Vietnam helicopters. Forget what those are called exactly, But everyone's just standing in there love it. I love it. And in in the movie, uh, we get to see them close up them doors and I was just like, hell, yeah, that looks cool. I love the design. I love it whenever they have those little those tiny little death stars on the side as well, because everything's a death star. The whole planet is one big death star.

1:33:31 It's just a really cool design because it's they got those little feet, got those little fet It's like it's like a it's like a quadrupedal animal, but it's like a little drop drop right. I think of the yeah, I think of the right ship. And it's got a little door that comes down, but it sort of feels like it feels like an animal. No, I'm not thinking of the right one. No. Oh, is it like the drop ship, the one that brings down the soldiers. I'm thinking of the war that's like more ground oriented. Okay, that's all. I'm thinking of an att that's what. Sorry. I'm the atts which like it's like they go terrain. The drop ships are the ones that come down with the soldiers. The Attes, which are featured in a really cool that was a thing that was frustrating with the Clone Wars. We'll get to it in the ranking system. Uh, but one of the cool things featuring the atte climbing up the clicks yes, yes, during that point, and I'm just like, this is cool. Vertical vertical. There's so many ships, Like genuinely, there's like a bunch of shit that I loved. I love the ship that they that we we have truly been in the deserts in terms of ships for Star Wars and now have everything we're in the Clone Wars man so many ships everywhere lester of riches, there's it's a they they have to get to a ship to get away from ventus. Oh gosh, dang it and they get over this isn't gonna be my I already picked my ship. I

1:35:02 should have said the Saturn five rocket, because that's a real ship, the Saturn five. Oh right, like in in the check it's my one chance. But I already said it. I know it's okay, you can say it again. It's the rocket, the Saturn five rockets. These are the rules, the rules, These are the rules. So this isn't my ship. But I just want to name this ship because it's so silly there they need to get away from ventus with with we didn't even like talk about anything that happens, you know, we didn't really talk about the plot of it. But also the plot seems so antilarry as opposed to I don't. I mean, they well, the thing is by the way they have to get Java's back to him, but it's like it's it's a trick, like it's all like it's a classic you know, Dooku slash dreads citious thing where it's like, well we one wild concept to be like we have to be on this gangster's good side because we need to be able to access these hyperspace pathways to get our soldiers through space, which is I think a very interesting sort of like it's just banal right. It's like the same thing as like having this medal management. It's like, well, we need access to highways, so what do we have to how do we have to sell our soul to get access to to like movement And that's interesting. So we're like, okay, we got to rescue this little little slug baby who's pretty cute, and that's very interesting. That's part of this plot to be like, oh, to turn you know, job against and make them make him think that they've

1:36:34 killed him and or that they are the ones that abducted him. It's a whole thing. But I thought that that was very fascinating. They're trying to get away from Ventriss. They've got little slug boy. He's sick. It's a little baby, and I have to they try. They see a ship over another landing pad and they go to it and it's it's a really cool looking ship. This is not my ship, but I just want to name this I just want to name this ship. What is that ship? Because I love that ship too, because it looksunky as hell. It's it is clunky as hell. I love ships that look like they're about to fall apart. Maybe this is my ship I wanted to give I did want to give Star Trek some love. But I like, really did like this ship. Let me look it up. I just seen the name of it. The ships are there on Star Trek outside. It wasn't going to be a ship.

1:37:17 It was going to be his transport. Very good. I really love it. I think it's cool. It's his Tartus basically, but it's his. It's his like stationary tartist. Speaking of which, we didn't even talk about the Beta five computer, which is a definitely reuse of the M five from the Ultimate Computer, and I just I love it anytime I'm like they reused that it's a thing that I recognize. It's so silly. I love that she's like the computer voice screams and also sass as him. Well that's how computers were. So it's called the Twilight. It's an old Karelian G nine rigor freighter. So the thing is that he continues to use it throughout the Clone Wars series. Yea, I don't. I do not like this part, but it is kind of hilarious. Felony has stated that fine that this finally gives some credit to Uncle Olan's claim that Luke's father was a navigator and a spicewrider. We don't need that explained. We don't. But I okay, as long as that's never explicitly said, I find that. Yeah, as soon as that's explicitly said, I'm going to throw myself out the closest window. I hate it. I really hate that. But is great too much. That ship has such a funny shape. It's like it's got like a fin at the bottom. It's a diet be wing. Yeah, it's a diet be wing. It also looks a little bit like the ship's at the end of Last Jedi that they take out with that have like the ski on the bottom a little bit. I really like that. But yeah, it's a it's a clunker, but it can go. But that is

1:38:49 that is not your ship though, No, my ship is the is the transport that you're talking about, the bit of five, I'm talking about it. Yeah, but the way that a transport, it's him as it looks like, and it's like a blue mist. You do love to see it. And then they bring back the Beta five in a of all places. Star Trek Picard season two which is so wild. Okay, you know this is the better choice to choose this one because this other ship that Twilight comes back, so I can always grab it again if I want, you can. Yeah. So anyway, look at you acting like the Republican Party in two thousand, rigging the system. I am that Apparently apparently someone there was like I just read this thing, and I guess it's true where its apparently someone was uh lauding George W. Bush and Jill Biden. Doctor Jill Biden like was like absolutely not like that man sent my children to war and got raged and I was just like, yes, bitch, go even though jenocide, but you know what I get it. Let's call it out well.

1:40:12 Uh, speaking of misplaced Gore, so too was the stump that conceits of our of our of our podcast. As we put two things we love to an unfortunate battle, as we go back to which one is better? Star Trek or Star Wars Again? Assignment Earth, the last episode of season two of Star Trek the original series versus the film Star Wars the Clone Wars. I believe I went first last week, so I'm going to start with Aspen. Aspen, what do you rank assignment Earth seven point five because I had a fucking great time. I know that it's a mid episode, but I liked, I had fun. I really enjoyed it. It made me if if it was intended to be a backdoor pilot. It got me interested, and that seems good enough for me. Everyone is great. I wish you could get that published in a newspaper as a little as a little blurb.

1:41:12 I'm gonna give this a five. Yeah, Mitt, that's what you said. Mid, quite and quite mid. I found my attention wavering a great deal, which is unfortunate. Uh yeah, just mid, it's mid. There's not much there, ROBERTA. Lincoln sings. I would have loved to see more Gary seven, but this episode just there is not much going on outside of introducing new toys. And that's unfortunate. That's fine, that's unfortunate that you're wrong about the property you're supposed to love. All right, speaking of the property that you're supposed to love, Star Wars, the Wars as, what do you rank it? It's it's funny because like I would give the episodes all different rakings, right, but I have to give this as a collective whole ranking. So I'm going to you're giving Star Wars the Clone Wars a collective ranking. I am giving it no like this movie. Yes, this as a movie, So I'm going to give it a seven.

1:42:14 All right, Oh that's it? Yeah, Oh you're not okay to a gentleman's seven. Well, I'm going to give it a gentleman six. Okay. I had a really fun time with this. Yeah, so much of its There's been a new discourse in film criticism about vibes based films, and this movie is vibes, so much vibes. If you think about it for a second, you're like, none of this makes sense. But also, it's Star Wars. It's a star it's a Star Wars TV show for twelve year old kids, and it's not me and dress is like a twelve year old. Yeah. Are there some boneheaded things, sure, but the emotional logic is there, and I think that, Yeah, it gives me what I want, which are Star Wars vibes in a way that the prequels aren't able weren't able to achieve. Is it the two D Colne Wars? Certainly not, but it understands the assignment and is able to repilot Star Wars in a way that I'm like, cool, that's okay, assignment tattooing, uh speaking of a sign. Wait there's this sorry, wait, there's this really great lie. I'm like trying to remember it. But it was like something

1:43:46 like Ahsoka is trying to like get Anakin to talk about himself and like maybe like they're on tattooing, yes, a whole thing, right, like this is awful for him. He also he says a sentence about like the the desert is unforgiving, which is a much better it's a good retcon of I hate sand. Like it's like, yeah, there's a reason why you hate this. It's not just like the dumb shit of like I hate sand. It's course ingrading. It's literally like to be raised as an enslaved person in such an unforgiving environment? What does this mean for you? And there's another thing that she says, like she says something about and I oh, I'd have to look up the line. But he like says something like that like lots the teachings of like Annakin. It's just like very funny about because he doesn't want to engage with his past. And it was like I really love it. The desert is merciless. It takes everything from you, is what he says. That's the line. The desert is merciless, it takes everything from you. But it certainly doesn't take away Aspen's victory for this week, as it means that Star Wars the corn Wars beats a Simon on Earth this week with its robust six point five versus a Simon arth paltry six point two five. I dare say, what a note to start off the Clone Wars on cute that sounds fun. We did it. We did do most of it, but we haven't done all of it because of course, as I

1:45:17 like to remind folks copiously, we do indeed have a Patreon on Patreon dot com, slash track Wars Pod, and we do have some correspondent from our canon listener Arizona. Mark Oh, love that dude on his coyote, Love that guy on his coyote, Mark Puiler Coyote over. We won't want any coyote related accidents. In regards to our extended episode Star Wars Clone Wars Volume two versus The Ultimate Computer, Mark comments in regards to my ten point plan on fixing the prequels, Mark says I enjoyed many of those takes on an alternate story, not all, but many. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the view at my at least, that's what a logical Vulgan would tell you. I need him to clarify if he liked my points in response to your points more than your point? Did you like Aspen's responses to my points more than my Kenny yep point? All right, perfect, thank you. I have now commented that on the Patreon and also made that canon by recording this on the podcast, and then also in regards to our early episode Star Wars Episode three, Revenge of the Sith versus Bread and Circuses Arizona, Mark says, I watched Revenge of the Sith three times before it was officially released, since I was a projectionist at the time. Me and quote

1:46:48 unquote hasn't seen rebels Mike in regards to his co host on the Woldo Maneuver, Mike, Mike, if you're listening, we love you. If you're not, I have to say violent stuff. You were baby cool, that's very cool. Projections. Gosh, man, if I stayed at my bad summer job as at working in a movie theater. Longer I would have been able to be a projectionist, but alas I had to go to college, guess what you didn't, And so you're in a podcast and instead people pay you to make great content like early episodes, extended episodes like whenever I presented a ten point plan on how to fix the Star Wars prequels, and that I responded to the asthmen definitely did respond to I'm excited to see how Mark responds which one of us he likes better? He likes better? That's and you could join the if you signed up at five dollars a month, you two could join the auspices of fine folks such as Timbo de Selsa and Eily Brice Love, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller, Arizona, Mark Aaron Signs and lastly, but certainly not Leaslie Jolty partner who composed our I starship at theme song. Our main music is by mister tosen Ourfesso. Please visit the link in the show notes if you would like to use any of his services.

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