Star Wars: The Clone Wars vs. Assignment: Earth

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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast,
the one source that dares to answer the

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most important question in fandom, which
is better Star Trek or Star Wars by

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going through all of it, all
of it, all of it, every

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single piece, and I mean that's
aired on TV and or cinema right until

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we die that we consider part of
the mega text yah in chronological release orders.

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So uh, that doesn't mean we're
not covering the lego stuff. So

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it's my fucking fault. But since
we're not covering the lego stuff, it

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has led to some wonderful serendipity this
week as we wrap up and begin two

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new chapters here this week on Star
Trek the original series Assignment Earth, the

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final episode of season two, and
Aspen's favorite Star Wars The Clone Coorda I'm

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So Into It theatrically released August fifteenth, two thousand and eight. I am

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Kenny Madison, the Star Trek contingent
with me as Per always as the co

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host with the mo host to the
Aspen Webster, Webster and boil Boy.

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How I've been excited to do this
episode for well, I mean ever since

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I looked on the spreadsheet went oh. These two episodes are getting matched up.

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How are they really? Oh,
because it's like, well, okay,

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why tell me why. We'll we'll
get into Okay, No, just

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don't just like a sentence, give
me a sentence. I'll give you less

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than a sentence. Okay, no, this is still a sentence. Both

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are backdoor pilots. Oh true,
both are backdoor pilots. Okay, yeah,

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yeah, I'm into it, I
think except the Clone wars Is is

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just actually a pilot that went to
series and on Earth is not. Yeah,

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it's just the fourth to the first
four episodes of Yes, in movie

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Reform, we will get into it. I did not even think about that.

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I want you to know that.
It took me halfway through the episode

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to be like sense, that's the
backdoor pilot. One of our one of

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our favorite things. You love to
see it those characters that you love so

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much, Surprise they the stars this
week there's this episode. So I really

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love super Natural. I am not
ashamed of I refuse I'm not I'm not

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ashamed. I'm I don't feel weird
about loving Supernatural. Okay, you're fighting

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so much that I'm saying that you're
a little bit ashamed because I not once

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have I said you should be ashamed
of liking Supernatural. I encourage you,

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all right, I encourage you to
love it all right? That make for

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a great podcast. Actually, just
me being like, I'm now, are

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this Supernatural episode? Ah? Why
was I bringing this up? Okay?

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Oh, there's there's the back door. There's like they tried to backdoor pilot

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two shows. One of them was
the worst thing I'd ever seen in my

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life. The second one would have
been something called Wayward Girls, and it

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would have been so good, but
it didn't get picked up. Oh maybe

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I've talked about this, but movie
talked about on a Patreon episode because it

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has the girl from Lisa Frankenstein.
She would have been in that show.

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Uh, and she would have like
been one of the main characters. So

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maybe I'm okay with it not working
out because then she could go on and

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do other cool things. But what
I'm trying to say here, sometimes backdoor

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pilot's work and sometimes they don't,
and this one works, You're gonna have

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to be more specific in regards to
which one works. As we go into

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the synopsis for both of these property
is starting off with assign Earth, a

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credited story by Gene Roddenberry and Art
Wallace teleplay by Art Wallace director Mark Daniels,

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aired March twenty ninth, nineteen sixty
eight, from an NBC press release

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issued February twenty seventh, nineteen sixty
eight. The Enterprise crew returns to the

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twentieth century to learn how the Earth
survived nineteen sixty eight and nearly witnesses the

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destruction of the world and its assignment
Earth. On the NBC television network Star

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Trek Color cast Friday, March twenty
ninth, a twentieth century man, Gary

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Seven, who has been living on
another planet, appears aboard the Enterprise and

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it forms happening Kirk that seventh mission
is to prevent world Holocaust by stopping the

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United States from launching the first warhead. Kirk and Spock aren't sure if Seven

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is a friend or enemy. An
attempt to stop him, ROBERTA. Lincoln,

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the nineteen sixty eight Secretary, is
trapped between factions and becomes an utwinning

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threat to each She's Spoiler the fucking
bess. Yeah man, she rules,

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yeah man. Very rarely do we
have someone in Star Trek that is going

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what she does actively do it.
There's a part where the computer is this

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guy's computer is like reading her and
she's like and the computer's like despite her

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being a mess. Basically she has
above average IQ, despite the fact that

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she can't even. She in fact
can even and her face is just like,

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oh okay, well what it's okay? Perfect? Loved it, great,

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okay. And on my side,
Star Wars the Clone Wars, which

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as you mentioned, was released August
fifteenth, two thousand and eight, which

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was shortly after my birthday, which
was August seventh. Please don't look me

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up, oh boy, docs and
myself. Oh that Aspen Webster. There's

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so many of them. I'm just
saying it so that people can give me

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presents on my birthday. And also, if you want to know what my

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astrological side is, probably people already
know. Okay, what was I saying?

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Let's see, so this, uh, Star Wars the Clone Wars something

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that you waiting for a gear I
have, sorry, in distracted by my

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birthday director Dave Filone with I mean
yeah, and also it's George Lucas as

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well, writers Minnie Henry Gilroy,
Stephen Melching, Scott Murphy on this one,

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of course, and with George Lucas
assistance I'm It doesn't say that on

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IMDb, but I know for a
fact George Lucas's role in this, which

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is very much that he was a
huge He was a huge piece of it

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just goes to show how much better
he is with a diverse writing room.

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Not diverse because there, but like
a group of writing, like a room

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that is not just him. Anyway, let's go for this one. Begotten

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the Clone Wars have as the war
to shape the galaxy way out waves on

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Anakin Skywalker unexpectedly. It's a new
apprentice by the name of Ahsaano. But

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is anakince what? I'm sorry?
Oh? Okay, right, okay?

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Are you saying? Are you?
Are you? Are you? This is

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a commentary on Asoka's a character.
Don't get snippy with me. I am

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snippy because I'm sniff sky guy.
Yeah here, I had so much fun.

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But is Anakin able to prove himself
a capable master or his reckless behavior

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corrupt his new apprentice? That's the
only part of it. This is four

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episodes. Okay, let's let's combine
it with this one. They embark on

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a mission to rescue the kidnapped son
of Jeffaha Huts. Why you do that,

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I'm gonna go get my hat.
Okay, the renegade count Dooku,

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whoever, is determined to ensure that
they fail. What do you mean your

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hat? What are you talking about? Your hat? What hat? What

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you come back here? Do you
have an Ahsoka tano hat? I almost

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got an Ahsoka tano hat. I
saw it and I was like, oh,

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should I get this? Let's see? So yeah, I gotta find

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better descriptions. Let's oh, and
I'll say this. Meanwhile, on the

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front lines of the Clone wars,
O, we want Kenobi master Yoda lead

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the massive Clone army and a valiant
effort to resist the forces of the dark

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side. That's also still true.
Oh I get it. It's your Dave

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Filoni hat. Yeah, it's like
it's like though, it's more like what's

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his name's hat from Jurassic Park.
Yeah, I look a lot more like

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Richard Attenborough from dress you look actually
you not just the hat like you you

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could? Oh my gosh, kiddy. Have you considered this as like a

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Halloween cost Yeah, but unfortunately it
would be cost prohibitive because if I were

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to play the guy that owned Jurassic
Park and make a costume out of him,

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I would of course be forced to
spare no expense. I hate you.

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I I did the description. Oh
that is that happen made to plastic?

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Is it? Probably? I got
it anyway? Oh cute, thank

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you, thank you. So anyways, yeah, we got two backdoor pilots,

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but both with radically different production histories, which makes it. I'm not

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gonna wear this hat anymore. It's
terrible. I'm not sure your head getting

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hot. No, I just don't
like hats, my hat. My head's

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so big that hats are head prohibitive. What led you to buy the hat?

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Because I was in Mexico and they
were giving them away for pre Oh

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okay, they're giving them away.
You didn't buy the hat? Yeah,

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when in Mexico you get a pre
hat, that's that's the thing. That's

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what they say. It was,
you're getting too hung up on the hat

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thing and more that we're finally covering
Star Wars the Clone Wars Aspen Kenny,

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you're the one who literally left and
got that you're getting too hung up on

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the hat. Okay, you're putting
a hat on the hat that it's great.

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Okay, let's go, you know
what you want to go? Let's

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go n Kenny. Yeah, I
need you look me in the eyes.

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Did you not love ah Soska in
this look? I think that He's four

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stitch together episodes are in fact better
than the Star Wars prequels, like hands

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down on my rankings, and also
better than like some of the I've to

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be fair, I've thought this for
a while. I think a lot of

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my baggage that comes with Ahsokatano comes
with the way that I want Star Wars

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to be as opposed to how it
is, because it feels like invention is

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supposed to extrapolation. But once I
get over that and I'm just like,

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this is what it is. I
think it's quite functional. Is the best

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movie? No, certainly not.
But that's casturing the star that great Star

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Wars flavor in a radically different way, clunkily but clankily but like captures the

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spirit of Star Wars in a way
that because I'm juxtaposing this against the frequels,

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because this is the first piece of
Star Wars that we've had since the

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end of Revenge of the Sith,
Yes, and it succeeds. I gotta

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tell you, I sometimes, you
know, last time I watch it,

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so I actually we'd start last time
you watch it, which was you watch

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it once a day, every day, every truly every day. Just that's

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why I have no time to do
research, because I'm just researching this movie

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over and over again, showing up
my Star Wars the Clone Wars. I

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love it, blu ray that I
own. Did you know that the like

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his hair, specifically Anakin Skywalker's hair. And this was designed to be longer

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than it was in Attack of the
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it will be calm as long as
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we'll go through time. This is
the beginning of the Clone Wars, so

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it's the beginning of the three year
period of the Clone Wars. But it

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was specifically cut. It was shown
a little bit longer, and there is

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a touch but like it's like poetry
at rhymes and that he looks a little

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bit more Luke like with that hair
length. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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this looks great. It's a little
cartoon hottie. The only the research that

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I did for this this week was
from Seakers of the Forest, The Oral

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History of Star Wars by Edward Gross
and Marque Altman, and then I sent

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you a Vanity Fair article that was
an oral history of Asokatano, and then

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looking on Wikipedia and then listening to
a more Civilized Age a great podcast,

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which I thought I was going to
be like, I didn't do that much

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resource research this week, and then
I listed off four things research that I

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did. Right, you did?
You did? Okay, I'm just in

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a bummer state this week. So
I was watched my stuff and I when

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so when we originally watched this,
which we watched all of these during the

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pant Panini PANDEMI, Oh, you
came along to Clone Wars. That's right,

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I remember this. That's when.
Oh this is like this is also

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when I like launched hard into like
re engaging with Star Wars. You became

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in Ahsoka Fano. Oh christ,
I don't know what happened. Was before

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the pandemic, the Panini, the
Banto ple, like right before it was

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I remember it was Christmas time.
We had like gone on a little trip

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to Fort Worth. Fun fact,
it was so fun for Oh my god,

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I know I've never been and I
got really sick. I had the

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flu. I got the flu from
children. I was working with children and

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we were in an airbnb in another
city and we're there and I just was

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so unwell, and Joel was like, let's just watch Star Wars. So

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we just put on all the Star
Wars films, which was like the only

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thing I could do. I could
just like lie there and watch films and

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it brought me a lot of comfort
and like try to eat and just be

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so sick, and so it kind
of sort of started something again. And

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it was actually Joel who was like, let's watch the Clone Wars. Like

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wait, so yeah, my sweet
beautiful Bartner. Yes, So we watched

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all the Star Wars films then because
it kind of launched something, as I

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recall, and then it was like,'s what was the Wars? It

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was not in order? Which in
order? Though I don't It wasn't in

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like uh four five, six,
one two three, seven eight nine.

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It might have been that. Yeah, like guess technically be four five six

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one two three, then technically the
Clone Wars but no one ever counts that

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well, no, and then seven
Rogue one eight Solo Dying. Wait,

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know, it was just the trilogies. I don't know which order. Bryces

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Skywalker come out twenty nineteen December of
twenty nineteen, right, I don't think

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we watched We didn't watch that because
I it doesn't exist. Oh it had

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just happened. Oh I was part
of it too. Wow, God,

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yeah, it doesn't exist. We
definitely. So all this to say,

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Doel's like, I want to watch
the Clone Wars. So we started watching

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the show first and then we're like, wait a second, yeah, because

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Disney has it buried. There's like
so you know, it's like they're just

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in it and in fact, like
we'll get to it. But you know,

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the first episode is like it's Yoda
and some clones. It's it's a

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battle. It's like, okay,
but this, of course we're not talking

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about that this week. We're going
to be talking about that next week.

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No. But so we're a little
bit like okay, and then it was

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like, wait, there's a movie. So we had to go back and

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watch that, and so that's where
we are, Oh man, you must

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have lost so much contact. Well
I was like who was Ahsoka? I

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was like who is she? Where'd
she come from? And then we're like,

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oh, I see she's I got
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is here. So that's my that's
where I came into it. Came to

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it from it, and again that's
not that long ago, but here we

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are. So how about you?
When did you watch them? I?

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When did you? When did I
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Clone Wars and one of my movie
marathons that I used to do because I

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watch. I like to watch movies. It's something that I enjoy. And

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so I'm pretty sure I bought Star
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Yeah, you filmed Student, you
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bought it so I can have the
Blu Ray. I specifically remember when that

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movie came out and I was just
like, I have no back in two

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thousand and eight. I remember reading
about it and then watching the trailer and

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I'm like, this looks terrible,
and then reading the reviews and the reviews

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were like, man, this makes
the prequels look good. It doesn't,

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but I think I think people had
just become tired of what Star Wars,

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much like my journey with this,
What Star Wars had become as opposed to

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it being what they wanted it to
be, and it's, you know,

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the irony that was. This does
make the prequels look good in that they

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make the prequels better. We didn't
know that. We didn't know that at

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the time, and so critics were
extremely savage to this movie. And the

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animation isn't the animation is bizarre.
The animation is so I as someone who

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is like the most recent Clone Wars
I consumed is like Season seven, most

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beautiful animation you've ever seen, I
in my brain was like, oh,

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that's right. Early Clone Wars suck
in terms of animation, and I was

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watching it, I was like,
this is fine, this is great.

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It's it's bizarre in the sense that it

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is stylized quite I'm perfect, quite
imperfose, Yeah, quite similarly to you

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know it is it is. But
it's also it's very anime inspired. It's

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it's that very much Tardokowski. It's
very deliberately stylized that way to be inspired

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by like uh anime and Japanese animation. And so whenever I saw that this

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this is the first Star Wars movie
that I uh, a first New Star

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Wars movie that I didn't go see
in a theater, and I just never

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watched it until within the past six
or seven years. Because I'm a completist

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and I was just like, this
is okay. That's that. That's my

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feelings in regards to this. And
I think it's four episodes but together,

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you know, Oh yeah, most
definitely. Yeah, there is a loose

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arc there. Yeah, it's a
fascinating curio. I do. I would

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love to get my hand on a
thirty five milimeter print of this thing and

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watch it that way, because I
think that would add all whole other piece

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of character Harwitt. But really it's
it's just such a fascinating carrio and just

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a fascinating signpost. And I think
there's a lot and the behind the scenes

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stuff is way more interesting to me
than I think it's the actual piece.

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But before we go into behind the
scenes stuff, about that, Aspen,

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Yeah, had you seen this episode
of Star Trek before? Nope, And

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I got't tell you. But I'm
glad so I can have this great experience,

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what experience, this beautiful back too, our pilot first experience. Oh

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also this experience of where's my?
Where's my? Is this the moment?

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Kenny? Is this the moment?
Now? What moment? What moment are

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you referring to? Refring to the
moment when we were watching was Caspall I

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thought it was. I was like, am I making that up? Because

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it's a catnet. Now when we
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Aspen, pull out a piece of
paper, and I was like, ah,

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and I don't know where the piece
of paper is. I'm so sorry,

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but You're like, pull out a
piece of paper. But I've been

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thinking about this piece of paper for
it because I've been like, when is

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this coming? I had one assignment
for you, Aspen. I have never

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asked for anything from you in regards
to this. Just hang on to this

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stupid piece of paper. Okay,
calm, I need you to lower your

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boys. I need you. I
need you to engage with your meditation.

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You're such an angry person. I'm
sorry. Okay, I don't know where

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anything is, believe, So anyways, well I'm a mess and I can't

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even and my IQ is about that
verage. So anyways, I asked you

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to write down and sitting on a
piece of paper, and what was that

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thing that was on the piece of
paper? Okay, I'm trying to remember.

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I think it was black cat woman, black cat who's a woman?

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woman was like the big one.
Do you have your own piece of paper

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that you wrote on? Oh no, what is that it? Or is

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there something else? The As we
have pointed out so many times within this

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season this Star Trek the original series
season two, they have gone back to

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the well so many times you would
never expect them to be like, you

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know what that One of our favorite
tropes is a black cat that's a lady.

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I gotta tell you, Okay,
done much better in this than done

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in Cat'spa Cat'spa Camp Classic. I
think that this episode is pretty mid Oh.

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I just like really wanted to watch
the show excellent, just like I

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wish this Liminish show I would have
watched it. It's basically like what is

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it like? As I was watching, I was like, this would have

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been effectively a like a sort of
American doctor who absolutely like you know,

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like a sort of plucky, smart
female sidekick who's like it says things like,

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well, you know, it's my
generation. You know, that's why

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we fight for things because we're worried
we're not going to live till thirty.

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And I'm like that's hell, yeah, fucking right, dude, too bad,

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you're gonna get captured by the fear
of losing your class status and fall

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into greed is good capitalism in the
eighties. But that's fine. That's fine.

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That shit. And this guy who's
like a human but he's raised on

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or is like like lives on this
other planet and he's like supposed to go

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to time and make sure that bad
things don't happen. And he's like sent

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around in this little weird machine and
he's got he basically has a song screwdriver,

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but it like affects humans. Yeah, And he but he's like very

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it's almost like also like you sort
of secret agenty. So he's like kind

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of like man from Uncle. I
don't know, it's just very I would

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have I would have watched it,
geddy. I had a great time.

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This guy was fun. Also,
he's been the entire episode just never talking

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or sharing any facts. So everybody
who's just like what's happening, He's like,

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I shot tell you. It's very
doctor. I mean Gary seven and

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William Hartnell's interpretation of the Doctor.
Oh, they're both there, you go.

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I mean you're already made the parallel
of it being like he's he's bouncing

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around with the sonic screwdriver basically,
but the sonic screwdriver here also makes people

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susceptible to suggestion influence. Yes,
yeah, absolutely, this is the American

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doctor who it would have been great. Yeah, and very American in the

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sense that he's a company man.
But yeah, it is. I also

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really dug that actorug. I dug
both of them. I dug her.

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I loved her. I loved her. I was like, I'm in love

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with her. Robert Lansing and Terry
Terry gar future Oscar nominee Tootsie I believe,

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Oh fun a great film. Oh
my gosh, not a film I've

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seen, but I know, guess
what a great thing. Dustin Hoffman,

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the notoriously chilled Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, Assignment Earth is a fascinating glimpse into

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what could have been. Yeah,
and Young Frankenstein's gun Young Frankenstein, I

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no wonder. Oh when she's in
close encounters, Oh my god, no

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wonder. She's just like she oozes
charisma. Yeah, she so much and

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also brings a great element to Star
Trek that, as I alluded to,

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wasn't aware that I necessarily needed,
which is selling reacting to all this crazy

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Star Trek stuff, which McCoy is
our closest. Yes, yes, but

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she is just like what what she's
she's she's more plussed by all of this

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stuff. She is non plusst is
what she is because that's nonplussed. That's

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what nonplust means. Oh, she
is, in fact non plussed. Oh

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yeah she was footnotes Aspen corrects me, She's like, what that's the literal

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meaning outstanding? So you love this? And I think that this episode's mid

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Yeah, I mean, like it's
so funny because it's like a mid Star

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Trek episode, but it's like a
great episode of whatever it was going to

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be. Yeah, well, I
think if it had gone to series,

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it would have been it would have
gotten well, depends on who was running

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the show. If it was Jane, who knows, But if it was

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run by someone else, yeah,
who knows. Yeah, maybe get Gene

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Coon back there, because I mean, Roddenberry and Kuhn worked together again on

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another unmade pilot down the road,
but we're not talking about unmade pilots.

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Maybe DC Fontana she could have been
great. I just she could have been

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great, and she on this episode
was like, it's a pretty mid episode,

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Gene, it's pretty mid Oh,
Yeah, it's okay, DC,

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and I I mean's she was not
wrong. But also I think it was

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just that I was having a great
time. That's great. And I always

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like it when because like the vibe
of it's so different on purpose, and

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I was just like, here we
are in nineteen sixty nine, whoa nineteen

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sixty eight? We're in nineteen sixty
eight. We are yeah, oh that

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wasn't the shuttle of course, like
because it was like it was that this

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is actually what happened is it went
down and it needed to go down.

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Obviously in sixty nine it did go
up. Yeah, because we went to

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the moon in nineteen sixty nine a
nineteen seventy, but one year soon we

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went to the moon. This is
we made a landing that was looner?

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What is this from? What do
you? I know that everyone knows this

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because I recognize that we went to
the moon in nineteen sixty nine, But

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what is this from? What are
you? What are you quoting? The

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Disney classic? Even Stevens oh,
which is why I was never an even

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Stevens boy. The shilaba for you, Yeah, the shila I've got some

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shia somewhere. Yeah. I always
remember because of that song. Yeah,

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yeah, that makes sense because it's
the idea is that he is averting apocalypse,

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so it has to go down as
was recorded in history. Yes,

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right, yes, I got it. It's like that Doctor Who episode where

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it's like, oh no, POMPEII, like Mount PSUVI is going off.

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It turns out I'm the reason that
Mount. It's me. It's me.

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What a bummer of an episode.
I love Doctor Who, Doctor Who Rules,

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which is probably one of the reasons
why you like Assignmer Earth so much

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because he was like, uh he
was Doctor Who. He really was like

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a serious Doctor Who, uh more
stern as opposed to Yeah he's more stern.

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I mean William Hartnell is jovial,
well being grumpy, and this guy

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like a true American, there's no
fun to be had. He was a

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little bit like a Cammer Capaldi in
terms of intensity. You try to do

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a Kapaldi face, so you just
try to do I'm trying to do Paldi

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eyes. Oh the eyebrows and eyes. You just can you do a Scottish

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accident? Could you not come a
wee bit sooner? Oh that's that's not

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so bad, thank you, that's
not so bad. I can't, right.

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I just saw the two thousand and
nine Star Trek in theaters. That's

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where I'm pulling that from. Great
movie by the way, that is it

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is That is a great movie.
Yeah, multiple copies of it. It

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just had a good time, you
know, and sometimes lots of things are

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bummers, you know. I also
like time travel. I like it so

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much, and I like that the
episode is just like, here we are

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in nineteen sixty eight. These are
two things that have some sort of time

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travel asspen whereas I'm on Earth.
Is them time traveling back to nineteen sixty

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eight Star Wars the Clone Wars is
them time traveling in their own continuity?

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Wow, that's good. That's a
good madsematic connection. It's good to get

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to cute. But you know what, and then you know what they both

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have that's also overlap Truman Cabodi as
an experience. There's no Truman Cabbodi and

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Assi. But Truman did live then. And Okay, if we apply this

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by Airbud rules, where they're like, it's not necessarily in the rule book

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that Truman Capodi doesn't exist. I
mean he existed then, and in this

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Java's uncle is a terrible cricatious.
Zero yeah, zero, The Hut a

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real really truly based off of Truman
Capodi. Sure, yes, horrifictly listening

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to a most more civilized age.
They have a fabulous diatribe. I know

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how extraordinarily offensive it is, which
is why, which is why, coming

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back to this in my mind,
I was like, oh, because I

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remember listening to that episode because it's
the first episode, and no it's not

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the first episode. No, they're
too they do an episode one and episode

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two episode because they're doing it,
and oh they're breaking it up, like

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okay, yeah, so because I
have to have the the they're setting the

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palette for what the clone wars are. And also like this movie, well

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yeah, doesn't it just kind of
drops you in uh starting with a sensory

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overload montage? Yeah, well okay, well let me actually back up.

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So I have a lot of sensory
moment speaking of sensory like experiences, like

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I remember a lot of things based
on the way I've felt when I was

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there, like what I was doing. And I have a very distinct memory

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of listening to that podcast episode while
in a good will looking for stuff for

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our wedding. Fascinating and I just
what stuck with me was their die tribe.

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So coming in to watch this,
I was just like, this is

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gonna suck. I remember the Truman
Capoti like Cricketure is horrific. Thig,

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it's not good because that's what's stuck
in my brain. And then watching it,

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I was like, this is a
very small portion. It's the fourth

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episode, basically, like it's our
third or fourth. Like it's not hugely

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overpowering. I thought that Zero was
in a lot more of this. No,

403
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:23.000
I mean it's the exact same problematic
thing, problematic racial and sexual things

404
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:29.759
that Lucas Pepper's through the prequels as
well. And I mean the original Star

405
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:36.200
Wars to a lesser degree. Yeah, I mean, it's it's ever it's

406
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.480
it's ever present. It's like,
how we get a fourteen year old a

407
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:43.000
Soka and a dumb little toop top. How did that happen? George Lucas

408
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.240
was like, I want to tub
top. I want to I like,

409
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.359
I like, I mean, I
just think it looks good. In the

410
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.039
use of the voyage of season two, which I will no longer be able

411
00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:01.359
to quote from, they in the
books they talk about Gene Roddenberry messing with

412
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:07.440
Roberta Lincoln's costume and making sure that
that skirt is short baby, that he's

413
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:15.119
literally on set pulling it higher.
Okay, thank you creators, Thank you

414
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:27.519
white cis male creators. We salute
you. Did you know she's wearing some

415
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:35.000
bye, she's wearing these really cool
tights that have like these like cool lines

416
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.519
up the back. And the outfit
she's wearing is so colorful and so exciting,

417
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.320
and that kind of makes me bummed
out. But she looks so fun.

418
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.239
She is Roberta is so fun,
and I feel so sad. I

419
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.840
don't get more Robert. I would
watch that show. Oh yeah, that

420
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.599
would be a fab show. Yeah. If Paramount was smart, they would

421
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.119
be like, let's do our own
Disney Plus has Doctor Who, Let's do

422
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.679
our own Doctor Who. Here's the
sign of Earth. Yeah yeah, they

423
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.159
do it. Oh god, that'd
be great. I'd be so into it.

424
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.400
I would just be like this back
to our pilots, bring it back.

425
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:08.840
Oh god, it'd be good.
If that'd be rare. They did

426
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.199
it with strange New worlds, just
do us. Yeah, that'll be fine.

427
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.519
I love it. Let's do it. Tell me. Yeah, we've

428
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.559
been I mean, since the beginning
of this podcast, we've been talking about

429
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.760
great man narratives. We've been talking
about George, We've been talking about the

430
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.960
Jeens. Yeah that we've all We've
only been touching. Yeah on the Daves,

431
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:37.679
on the Folony, the fedor want
Himself. Yeah, uh yeah,

432
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.400
it's Dave. What do we what
do you tell me? What you know

433
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:50.679
about the production of The Clone Wars. I know that when this started,

434
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.800
as I understand it, this is
a production is what George. George wanted

435
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.480
to do this, and he brought
on Filoney to do it. He'd really

436
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.559
liked his work before and wanted to
bring a lot of that style to it.

437
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.800
So he had a huge hand in
this and in fact was like the

438
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.320
reason this became a theatrical release as
opposed to just the first four episodes of

439
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.880
the show, because he really loved
what was being done, the way it

440
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.519
looked that it was good, and
he kind of pushed for it, and

441
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.599
that's what ended up why it became
theatrical release as opposed to just being on

442
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.119
screen. I think there's a perception
at this point, and I might be

443
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.400
wrong about this, but I'm kind
of based on things that I've consumed over

444
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.840
the past few years that this is
just a soul Folony venture, and it's

445
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.199
not. It's got a huge it's
hugely Lucas influenced. He had a huge

446
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:45.079
hand in it, and Folony is. I remembered watching something like behind the

447
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:50.039
Scenes once where you can kind of
still see that deference too. Like a

448
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.679
lot of pieces that come into play
are Lucas being like, I would like

449
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.360
this, even though you could tell
maybe like Folony would have made a different

450
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:00.000
choice. As the series goes on, it is more Folony's and that's what

451
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.400
you kind of start to see and
until kind of the finals, especially this

452
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.480
like season seven that came out after
Rebels came out more recently, that's a

453
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:15.440
Folony venture. That is my understanding
recollection of it. You nail at least

454
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.920
the research that I've done. Okay, here you go. That's just all

455
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.320
in my brain, which is why
I'm excited for this portion of the Clone

456
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.320
Wars, because I'm excited for you
to come up and be like, actually,

457
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:32.639
here's why you're wrong. No,
and no, I mean it's I

458
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.519
just I do think it's very funny
because we start to we do we craft.

459
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.639
There's there is already a narrative crafted. Yeah that Folony is the pure

460
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:49.199
brainchild of the Clone Wars. Yeah, and he's not, and I think

461
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.880
that, yeah, he's definitely not, like George is very much involved.

462
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.480
But it's also this is the point
that Joel reminded me of, like because

463
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.280
I think this came up in and
like jesse or Al jesse Gender's video about

464
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.440
the Decaying Monomouth, the six hour
video I watched. But like part of

465
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.599
the reason like the Clone Wars has
more strength to it is because of collaborative

466
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.840
writing room that it isn't just solely
just the voice of one person, George

467
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.920
Lucas that are there can be even
if he might have final say over things

468
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:27.000
or push in things like a weird
Truman Capodi caricature, he is, there

469
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.679
are still other voices and ideas and
other writings coming into play. Like I

470
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.599
read off the writers for this,
you know, it's each kind of individual

471
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.400
episode. They're different writers. Blnny
is the director of the thing. So

472
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.159
there's there's better storytelling in it because
there are various voices, even if there's

473
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.559
kind of a creative director in Lucas. So yes, from what I understand

474
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:53.960
in my own research and again can't
reiterate and not go listen to the more

475
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.800
civilized age episode. They rule there
the Clone Wars, and a key figure

476
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.280
that they managed to point out is
a producer that is only there for I

477
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.280
guess season one, Catherine Winder,
who I understand is basically standing up Lucasfilm

478
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:14.800
Animation, creating an animation department within
Lucasfilm. And then she is the one

479
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:20.599
that tracks down Dave Foloney, who
was working on various animation assignments and most

480
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:25.840
famously is part of Avatar the Last
Airbender. Right, that's right. I

481
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.199
was like, what is the thing
I love that he did? Yes?

482
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.360
Which have you seen? Oh?
Yeah, okay, I just want to

483
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.199
make sure. Oh yeah, it's
so nice. Oh I love it.

484
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.519
I love it. George does go
to Gendy again and it's like, I

485
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.199
want to make this a TV show
and Gandy is like no, no,

486
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:52.039
yeah, which makes sense because uh, Filony is the perfect fit for this

487
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.679
because he is more of a comedy
man than Gendy, right, And I

488
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:04.199
mean that's ultimately what earns Dave accolades
from fans, right, because he is

489
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.000
a company man. And then also, as we will see over the course

490
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:13.559
of it, kind of becomes the
George Whisperer. Yes, yes, and

491
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.880
that's I think what's It's like he
gains the trust to the point where it's

492
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.519
like it is the like maybe it's
came from Master and the Apprentice. Maybe

493
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.960
that was part of it. Was
that's a documentary Master and Apprentice that came

494
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.199
out more recently. I think it
must have been talking about these pieces,

495
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.039
and yeah, it's like he gains
his trust enough to be like, to

496
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:38.079
truly be entrusted with the process.
Yeah. And then at least according to

497
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:45.920
the Secrets of the Force, Folony
and Lucas and the Felony brain trusts Henry

498
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:51.360
Guilroy and some other folks whose names
escape me, they sit down and break

499
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.519
the first season story structure in two
weeks and then not only that, right,

500
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.480
they have a one hundred episode order. And this is in two thousand

501
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.719
and five. Revenge of the Sith
has just right happened. That's right,

502
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.519
Oh my god, that's right.
That's from the podcast. Yes, yes,

503
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.719
yes, yes, wow. So
people are like, whenever this thing

504
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.840
comes out, they're like Star Wars
that's kind of done. Right. Meanwhile,

505
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.920
production has production starts, like this
whole process starts in two thousand and

506
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.480
five, and then by the time
that this movie premieres, they have just

507
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:29.960
they have episodes just stored ready to
go. Yes, they which is fascinating.

508
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:37.599
Same thing for Star Wars Detours,
the infamous Star Wars comedy show that

509
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:43.679
Seth Green and Robot Chicken folks made, there are just episodes that are just

510
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.199
sitting into Lucasfilm vault because that's just
how they did it. Is that why

511
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.559
Seth Green is in the documentary on
the that we saw just is the disturbance

512
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.519
of the force that the documentary is
that probably helps along with the fact that

513
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.480
Robot Chicken did three authorized Star Wars
comedy specials themselves, and Seth Green is

514
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.480
just a big honking torque. Yeah, because that's what it was like,

515
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.159
Yeah, George, you know,
I would talk to George and I was

516
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.760
just like, George, Yeah,
he worked on Detours. Because and this

517
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:16.400
is the interesting thing and the parallel
that these two projects have Assignment and Star

518
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:25.719
Wars the Clone Wars. These are
creators that are being unusually for as men

519
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:32.719
as they are leanient like open Geene
Roddenberry did Assignment Earth and Lucas is like

520
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.519
what about Ahsoka, which at the
time, people are like, Ahsoka Tano

521
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:45.760
is the worst character in Star Wars. Okay, why why do you think

522
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.320
they thought that? You tell me? Why do you think you tell me?

523
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.639
You know, she's a little girl
that says calls him sky guy.

524
00:42:54.039 --> 00:43:00.079
Yes. And also it feels like
Ahsoka fundamentally feels like an invention as supposed

525
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.039
to an extrapolation or whenever. It's
one of my least favorite tropes is you

526
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.239
can attest to because you're telling me
that this awesome, amazing story that we're

527
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:15.360
about to watch happens off screen.
Now it is on screen. And not

528
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:21.400
only that Lucas was the inventor of
Sarkatano yep, because Folony at least accordinated

529
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:22.639
Secrets of the Force. Was like, what if we just have like a

530
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.880
I don't know, like a cool
smuggler and like a Jedi trainee and like

531
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.639
a cool princess and like, you
know, Star Wars characters around this time?

532
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.880
And then George is like, or
you could have like Anakin and Anobi

533
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:45.400
Wan and Dave's like, oh what
a what a what? And so he

534
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.480
holds those characters and still a little
show that I like called Star Wars rebels

535
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.239
Star Wars TV show and I have
seen good job me. I love that

536
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:59.599
show too. That's rebels is peak
and it's true and it where the Cone

537
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:05.239
Wars. I know that I will
have to teach myself to like it because,

538
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.079
uh, the opening narration makes me
want to rip my hair out,

539
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.480
and it should. You don't have
any hair? Yeah, yeah, yeah

540
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.559
you should, by the way,
that's the point. So just real quick,

541
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.400
just to tell you, but that's
no. Let me tell you here,

542
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.400
Kenny, let me make here close
there close. We're not in person.

543
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.119
Hi, Hey, you look great. One. I'll tell you one

544
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:42.639
thing. He's so close to the
camera. First thing, it was George's

545
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:49.320
idea to make Ahsoka Anakin's padawan very
specifically. I think it was she was

546
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:54.320
supposed to be truly obi Wan's important
because that's a good choice on George Lucas's

547
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:01.000
part, kind of wild and a
good choice. Two, the Clone Wars

548
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.519
is that kind of opening narration that
happens at the beginning of all of them.

549
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.559
It is that kind of tone that
is a character. I don't want

550
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:17.920
to spoil anything, but it's supposed
to be like, oh shit, a

551
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.719
Starship Troopers. Am I think of
the right thing. No that the movie

552
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.199
I literally just watched a month ago, as when the narration, look that

553
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:30.559
mechanic, what's fine, I'm fine
with that mechanic. It's but okay,

554
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.039
just real quick. The whole point
is that it is propaganda. It is

555
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.760
propaganda that you were watching, like
you were watching this battle that you'd be

556
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.960
like, okay, right, we're
on the right side of this, right,

557
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:45.320
Like it's you know, it's it's
the republic versus the separatists, and

558
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.840
so we are valiantly going into war
and that's the concept behind it, and

559
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.159
like, yeah, yes, right. It is the voice acting that I

560
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:59.880
can't stand. You don't like it, Glaxy the Viiden, and I'm just

561
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:07.199
I am just like you're you're putting
on an affectation that is not you are

562
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:14.400
being a sound alike as opposed to
being what sounding like what was he sounding

563
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:19.320
like? Supposed to be sounding like
those Transatlantic narrators from the war reels that

564
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.639
they're copying from. Because if it
is propaganda, yeah, you can find

565
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:28.199
someone. I mean, it's the
exact same issues that I have with the

566
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.079
deep Bradley Baker who voices all the
clones, And I'm just like, why

567
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.079
not just get somewhere with a New
Zealander accents, it's more wor Son.

568
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.840
Yeah, well, because then you
do, and it's she voices Omega and

569
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:47.079
everybody hates her because they once again
hate young girls. So get a real

570
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:53.079
New Zealander accent person and yep,
everybody hates her. So sorry, no,

571
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.320
I mean, and it's fair deep
Bradley Baker coming in and he's not

572
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:06.039
New Zealander, but he is a
good voice actor, which is because I'm

573
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.960
sure that there are a whole bunch
of performances that he is giving where I'm

574
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:15.480
just like as opposed to the clone
performances where I am like, uh oh

575
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.840
oh, I think you'll get used
to it. I think you'll get used

576
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:24.159
to it because you're gonna have to. I'm ninety that I get used.

577
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:30.440
You've got so many episodes have to
watch it. Yeah. This thing he

578
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.159
had like he speaks all of like
he's the same voice actor for all of

579
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:42.079
the clones and yet gives them all
personality. They're all different people, and

580
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.719
he speaks differently for all of them
and you can feel the difference. It's

581
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.440
very purposeful. So while yeah,
it would have been you know, much

582
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.039
better, And I'm not sure about
Tima Morrison being a voice actor or that,

583
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.960
but would have been better to have
actual New Zealander actor. But when

584
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.199
it comes to voice acting, it's
pretty incredible work. Yes we can,

585
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:09.480
yeah, absolutely, this is there. The voice actor for the I forgot

586
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.840
what his name is, but he
just also plays that character with that voice.

587
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.559
He's in that episode, he's in, he's in the episode, and

588
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.239
he's like playing that character as well, and that character comes back multiple times.

589
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:23.400
He just talks that way the whole
time, even when he's not doing

590
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:29.679
an announcement, He's like, we
need to run the ship anyways. What

591
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.320
I'm what I'm more interested in is
like the genesis of this project and George

592
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:42.480
just being like doing this project why, I'm not entirely sure. Maybe this

593
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:49.000
is complete conjecture, but a running
motif through all of Star Wars, starting

594
00:48:49.039 --> 00:49:00.880
with the uh Return of the Jedi
on retconning, and I think says George's

595
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:07.960
effort to be like, maybe I'm
talking out of my butt here, please

596
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:12.559
push back, but maybe there's a
niggling thought in the back of his head

597
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:19.599
where the Clone Wars the Gendi Clone
Wars cartoons worked out so swimmingly. Uh

598
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.880
huh, George, seeing his reaction
to the prequels, is bummed by it,

599
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:30.119
And here's an opportunity to be like, could we iron out the prequels

600
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.519
and do the things that I always
wanted to do but just didn't have the

601
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:45.440
time, and then delegates the main
creative stuff off to Filonian crew, and

602
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.199
Felony is deferential to Lucas in the
way that Lucas wants wants him to be

603
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:57.400
while also having a creative bone.
That is the definition of a dude who

604
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.039
played the game, right. Yeah, he's l half a man in chargeo

605
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.559
right, And yeah you do with
skill and also a little bit of ask

606
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.480
kissing, but mostly ask. But
also what's fascinating about this is that this

607
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.559
is, at least according to the
brief amount of Dave Filoni research that I

608
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.079
have done, this is the first
time that someone is in charge of Star

609
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:28.559
Wars project that has been raised on
Star Wars, and so there is yeah,

610
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:36.960
because now you have also like,
who am I thinking of the other

611
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:43.239
We've got Tony Goroy, John Favreau. Jon Favreau is Robert Rodriguez. Yeah,

612
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:49.960
I think I was thinking of John
Leslie Headlund. So we've got the

613
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.840
whole generation of people that are currently
making Star Wars that have been raised on

614
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.000
Star Wars. But Dave Filoni is
the first one who is raised on Star

615
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.400
Wars that is also el half a
man in CHARGEO. And not only that,

616
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:06.079
but from what I understand, is
like a Star Wars nerd to begin

617
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:13.239
with. Yeah, and Spanish is
so good. You got that from the

618
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:22.519
hat, see, And so there's
a reverential tone to Star Wars that George

619
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.039
does not have as we've seen with
the Briguels. Sure, he's reverential to

620
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.239
a point, but then also you
get something like episode one where George is

621
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.920
just like, I'm gonna make my
own thing and he just kind of forgets

622
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.599
to be reverential to Star Wars until
episode three and then gets a little bit

623
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:44.280
like to we got to connect all
of these string strings, I don't you

624
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.480
know. And it's funny. I
feel like now we've come into a space

625
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.840
where we're like, stop being so
reverential of Star Wars. Let's get away

626
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.800
from it. But I think it
serves it very well in the Clone Wars.

627
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:59.719
Yeah. Because this it's sorry to
interrupt, but the thing that I

628
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:15.679
like about the show interrupt me interrupt
me again. I think you're gonna say

629
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.280
the exact same thing, which is
that it gets the tone of Star Wars

630
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:25.400
right. Sure does. Whenever Anakin
is yelling to Obi Wan they're back,

631
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.760
I'm like, okay, great,
they understand what the tone of Star Wars

632
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:34.199
is supposed to. And it's funny
as fuck. Yeah, it's great.

633
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.360
It's tongue in cheek, but it's
also taking things like seriously. There's no

634
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:42.480
like mathos to it. It's it's
like true, like there are stakes and

635
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.920
also this is who we are,
like these are funny character moments. It

636
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:53.280
feels deeply Star Wars and it just
feels fun like assimon Earth, it feels

637
00:52:53.400 --> 00:53:00.239
very fun feels very interesting. Yep, one hundred percent. I think that's

638
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.679
exactly what you're talking about. Is
Yeah, it hits the tone just right,

639
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.800
and so it really is does it
as service? And I'm you know,

640
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.320
I again, you're right. We
don't know the internal workings of George

641
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:19.599
Lucas's mind. I this can I
think be more brand extension as well.

642
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:27.920
But at the same time, he
made like he financed one hundred episodes of

643
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:35.559
this TV show. Yeah, and
then they ended up like being like aired

644
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.480
this movie has the Warner brother shield
in front of it, at least on

645
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:42.159
my Blu Ray. I don't know
how it is on Disney Plus. No,

646
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.000
it didn't, yeah, because it's
it was distributed by Warner Brothers.

647
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.199
Because this thing aired on Cartoon Network, and right, if I recall correctly,

648
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.159
they didn't have a home for this
stuff. So George was just gonna

649
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.599
have one hundred episodes of the Clone
Wars, just like he's got episodes of

650
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:02.800
Detours that are just there. I
mean, okay, Kenny, like,

651
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.920
yeah, yeah, he brought in
right, like a huge team, like

652
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:14.840
three hundred people, like he obviously
believed in this thing, and all we

653
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.920
can do is presume. But I
do think you bring up an interesting point,

654
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:23.679
which is like, still like if
I had if I had created three

655
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:31.159
movies and seeing people be like boo, I would be sad, you know,

656
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.440
yeah, I mean I'd be bummed
to the fuck out, and I

657
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:44.440
just be like, oh, I
mean I really like Star Wars. I

658
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:46.039
like this thing I made, and
I'm like, this is a disappointment.

659
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:50.800
So I mean, I wouldn't be
surprised if there's like a Okay, well,

660
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:52.760
how you know, do I take
this and you know there's still a

661
00:54:52.880 --> 00:55:00.760
story to tell and maybe maybe do
what couldn't be done. He did what

662
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.840
he wanted to do in terms of
special effects and kind of like this newness

663
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.239
he was able to capture what he
wanted so badly, right and the special

664
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:12.559
editions, being like there's things like
that I wanted that I didn't have access

665
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.639
to technologically and now I'm able to
do it. But I yeah, so

666
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:20.679
I just I'm not. I don't. I think we can often in the

667
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.079
same way that we lionize people and
take them out of their humanity and they're

668
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:27.119
like, look how perfect they are
when they're not, we also might rob

669
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.840
some of their humanity by being like
what a piece of shit? He's like

670
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.800
selfish in an asshole, and it's
like, well maybe you know what I

671
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:36.400
mean. Yeah, it could be. It could be both. It could

672
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:37.199
and it could be it could be
more, it could be. Yeah,

673
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.119
I just want to keep making money
off the thing, and that's at the

674
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.719
same time, I want to keep
this going and expand on the story and

675
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.639
pass it on to other people,
you know, being keeping this going.

676
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.280
Assign on Earth, You're so good
at that, Thank you. Wow.

677
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:04.559
They're filming this episode in the beginning
of January, and morale. Morale is

678
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:09.639
low because they don't know Star Trek's
coming back. Oh, they don't know

679
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.000
what's been if it's going to be
renewed or not. No, I forget

680
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:21.199
which episode of Star Trek it is, but there is a letter writing the

681
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:28.960
famous letter writing campaign where the NBC
was flooded with so much mail that they

682
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.760
literally they never had never done this, at least from what I understand,

683
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:37.159
they had had to literally come on
the air and be like, Star Trek

684
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.519
has been renewed for a third season, please stop sending us mail. Yeah,

685
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:47.519
And so morale is low while filming
this because they don't know if they're

686
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:53.519
coming back. Gene Couhon has quit. Everyone liked Gene Kuhon, John Meredith

687
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.239
Lucas is who he is. I
think he's doing a good, good job.

688
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:06.400
I think it was you or someone
else that or had mentioned the story

689
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.639
about Shattner and Geene Roddenberry being on
stage at the exact same time, and

690
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.000
William Shantner just doesn't about face.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, morale is

691
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:20.119
low. Yeah. And not only
that, as we talked about this year,

692
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:28.519
Geene Roddenberry is basically pieced out for
a sizeable enough portion of season two

693
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:35.760
of Star Trek to write an unproduced
Robin Hood pilot, and so they ended

694
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.519
the season with this backdoor pilot where
Kirk and Spock are like, well,

695
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:45.199
looks like Gary seven and ROBERTA.
Lincoln will have a lot more fun adventures.

696
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:51.199
Yeah, they're barely in the episode. That's funny. They're kind of

697
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.840
villains in the episode. Yeah,
they are their obstructions to Gary seven where

698
00:57:55.039 --> 00:58:02.840
they're like being nebulous about what Gary
Seven's allegiances are. But we know he's

699
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.800
our good guy, and Kirk and
Spock obviously are good guys. I mean,

700
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:16.639
I think what helps him is the
cat lady because just to be clear,

701
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.880
to be clear, isis because you
always have the top like cat spot,

702
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:25.000
there's another black cat that's a lady. The cat makes it a ten

703
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.760
out of ten for me, okay, because do you want me to just

704
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.840
put that on the spreadsheet now,
Yeah, just let's just go for it.

705
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:37.400
Because someone is obviously like also doing
like a touch more like sound effects

706
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:43.199
for this cat because it's not just
normal cat yelling. Is Barbara Babcock.

707
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.760
It's wait, really, that's the
voice actress of the cat. Oh incredible

708
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:54.039
because this cat is doing things like
really and it's reacting and I love her

709
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.320
and like I was just like,
what a well trained cat. At one

710
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:05.400
point when he's like lying, he's
like on that kind of like thang up

711
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.840
in the sky because he's working on
the shuttle. You're working on the rockets.

712
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.400
He needs to bring it down.
The cat is just on his back.

713
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.639
I'm like, look at you,
you like a little way to blank

714
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.719
at you. Perfect baby. I
love you so much. Which is so

715
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:24.000
funny because she's actually a sexy lady
and she can be both. She can

716
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:27.920
be a perfect baby and a sexy
lady. Yeah, we're not going to

717
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.840
a sexy lady shame here. No, I want to be a sexy lady.

718
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.960
We support you. Yeah, oh
my gosh, yeah, no,

719
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.119
I love that cat. She's making
so much noise. He's just like she's

720
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:44.639
just like he's like I know,
like listen, and she's just like like

721
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:51.159
if I like, that's my dream
job is to be that. Okay,

722
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.039
So when they bring this show back, what what what are that's your dream

723
00:59:55.119 --> 01:00:00.800
job above anything else? What if
it was like a professional napper? No?

724
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.559
Someone went no, I will pay
you two hundred thousand dollars to nap,

725
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.079
I do. Okay, that sounds
really good. How much should I

726
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:14.079
have to nap? As much as
you want? Okay, not like more

727
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.039
than I want. No, They're
like, hey, we're one of those

728
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.559
companies where you make your own hours. Dude, Okay, stop distracting me.

729
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.880
Okay, I'm talking about being a
cat voice actor, but like that,

730
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.880
not like the cat, not like
sale in the cat from from Uh

731
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:35.880
yes, exactly, it's good.
No, I mean making cat sounds,

732
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:40.320
but like in a human way.
Sometimes they do that on stage. I

733
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:43.880
do that on stage a lot.
I play a lot of animals. Sexy

734
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:51.760
amal lately support thank you so much. I think you thank you. This

735
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.880
is who I am and inside Yeah, sorry I got off track talking about

736
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:59.400
how much I love this cat,
but oh, because what I was going

737
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.079
to say is, I think it's
hard to think he is a battie even

738
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:06.320
though he's holding a cat. So
at first you see him and you're like,

739
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:09.519
oh, that's very blowfeld of you. But like the cat's cool and

740
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:14.400
he's pretty cool. Yeah, And
there's Roberta and you're like she's pretty cool,

741
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.280
and you're like, well, he
can't be that bad he's got a

742
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:23.199
cool cat. I couldn't help but
think about Star Trek two. I know

743
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:27.800
that movie. Yeah, we done, we covered it on this podcast.

744
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.000
I know it's great. It's a
good movie. People should listen to that

745
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.559
episode. It's a great app because
we really liked that movie. Yeah,

746
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.920
because we watched like two really good
movies that week. Oh because that was

747
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:42.079
Empire and yeah, got right,
because oh my god. Yeah. But

748
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.800
for the making of Star Trek two. The producer of that, Harve Bennett,

749
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:53.840
watches the original seventy eight episodes and
picks con because it's like that guy

750
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:59.679
pops, Sure it does. He
does out his shirt. You know who

751
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.199
else hops? Gary seven in this
episode? Oh my god, what a

752
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:05.519
dude. I looked him up.
I was like, what's this dude?

753
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.280
Ben In was he doing? Became
a he was a supporting actor, wasn't

754
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:13.159
really ever a leading man, and
then became a supporting actor after this?

755
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:19.079
What a shame. He is gravit
lancing. He's got hot. Yeah,

756
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:22.639
man, he's hot, He's got
gravitas. What a guy. How old

757
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:27.239
do you think he is? Oh? Oh oh oh, you asked me

758
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.400
this question. Usually and they are
much younger than I think they are.

759
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:36.000
I'm going to go with twenty eight. That's okay, you've undershot it.

760
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:44.840
Deal now, Oh okay, forty
very close, thirty eight, thirty nine,

761
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.639
that's thirty nine. Okay, well
I'm four years away from that.

762
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.360
Oh yeah, Gary seven. Yeah, well we look very useful. Did

763
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:58.239
I ever tell you about this time
that I like, sort of drunkenly met

764
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:02.719
a lady and she was like,
I'm in town because my daughter's trying on

765
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.679
wedding dresses. And I was like, oh, that's so nice. And

766
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:07.920
I was like, your daughter's trying
on wedding dresses and I was like what

767
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.760
like? Because she also looked pretty
young, and she was just like yeah,

768
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.199
and I was like wow. I
didn't say anything, so I'm like,

769
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.920
I don't know, I don't.
I'm just like you're you're so fun

770
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.719
and you're don't And then she was
just like, how old are you?

771
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:24.800
Like twenty five? And I was
like, wow, thank you so much.

772
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.480
A thing that I hate that I
liked, but also when I was

773
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:35.039
twenty five, I looked very young
and I didn't get a lot of respect,

774
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:37.599
so it's always been annoying. And
now I'm just like, oh my

775
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:42.280
god, thank you and they're like, what do you do? And I'm

776
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:44.920
like, I don't know. I
just don't smoke, and I don't have

777
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:50.079
children. I drink a lot of
water. I don't know. I try

778
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.480
to keep my blood pressure alone.
I dress like a child. I dress

779
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:58.840
like a ten year old boy.
That's what really makes me look twenty five.

780
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:03.840
I will. You're wearing the largest
six Flags Fiesta Texas shirt that I

781
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:09.159
have ever seen. Big shirt,
big shirt, big shirt, huge shirt,

782
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:15.199
huge shirt, huge shirt. Just
dumb little shorts. Speaking of our

783
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:21.480
little shorts, Gene Roddenberry had written
Assignment Earth in nineteen sixty five. Yeah,

784
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:27.840
it just does a spec pilot met
up with or got partnered up with,

785
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.840
Art Wallace, who asked, been, obviously you remember what episode he

786
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:39.639
wrote? An episode that you definitely
remember and I definitely remember, uh the

787
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:44.719
Apple, Oh, Aspen, it's
so much more memorable than that. Oh

788
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:50.880
it's a great you know that episode
that we both just love, you know.

789
01:04:51.280 --> 01:05:00.800
Obsession, Yes, obsession, Yeah, boy, we're back obsession and

790
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:10.840
dares to answer the question what a
Captain Kirk was a cloud Yours is much

791
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.559
better? No, I'm sorry I
step on your joke. Sometimes I'm so

792
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:19.840
sorry you're allowed to step anywhere.
Thank you. I could have gone in

793
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:27.400
multitude of way very quickly. So
it gets partnered off with Art Wallace because

794
01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:32.400
he's got a Gene Rodberry's pilotics called
seven. Art Wallace's is uh better called

795
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:41.960
space Cop. I really like it
much better. It's only cops, so

796
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.760
I'm glad it didn't happen. But
yeah, but you kind of put the

797
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:47.840
words space before anything problematic, and
it kind of improves their reputation. I

798
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:53.760
guess that's true. You'd watched you
you check out at least six episodes of

799
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:57.719
a show called space Cop. Yeah, like a nineteen sixties procedural called space

800
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.760
Cop, and you're like, I'm
sorry, what, I'll check it out.

801
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:04.519
My god. He even has like
his own transporter that's very tardist like

802
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:10.000
yeah, like except it itself doesn't
move, like it just transports him other

803
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:13.480
places. But it has a whole
vibe. Yeah, he's got a whole

804
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.400
vibe. And there's a whole like
Gallafray and type secret culture that we're not

805
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:20.960
aware of. But instead of time
lords, that's all agent numbers. Because

806
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:27.880
Gene's also cashing in on the spy
craze of the time. Which is oh,

807
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.920
which is unders like that that explains
the man from Uncle kind of feel.

808
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.840
Oh yeah, right absolutely, so
yeah, I'm sure like so many

809
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:39.119
things. Also, yeah, that's
great. It's by James Bond. I

810
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.360
love it. I'm just telling you, look at what we look at what

811
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:46.199
we lost, look at what we
could have had. And this is the

812
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:53.039
value of when character, when creators
kind of don't care. I'm gonna go

813
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:56.679
right fan fiction. Yeah, I
mean yeah, it's like they're like,

814
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:58.599
okay, sure, you do your
thing, and it's like, I know

815
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.719
it's a mid episode, but it's
like we're a great time. Yeah,

816
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.760
Because Geen Roddenberry wasn't precious about Star
Trek even though he didn't like have problems

817
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:08.360
and he wanted Star Trek to be
a certain way. At the same time,

818
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:13.519
Homeboy was just like, well,
Geen Roddenberry was more concerned about his

819
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:16.679
own ego versus the quality of the
thing. And then, as I've said

820
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:23.239
before, come next Generation. The
two get intertwined, which is sexy,

821
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:28.519
fascinating. Yeah, and so he's
like, sure, we'll do this,

822
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:33.599
as they didn't know if this is
going to be the last episode of the

823
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:38.440
season. Turns out it was,
and it's a hag of a note to

824
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:40.880
end the second season on. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's kind

825
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:44.519
of a weird m hmm. It's
weird, Like I imagine if it had

826
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.519
been the last episode you got of
Star Trek, it would but it felt

827
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:51.079
very strange, like we're ending Star
Trek. I can't wait for you to

828
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:56.559
watch the last episode of Star Trek
that we no is it also a weird

829
01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:01.480
note to end one? Oh yeah, oh yeah, wow. I guess

830
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:05.079
it's no different than any other show
that's like I guess we got canceled and

831
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:11.840
you're like, oh boy, now
yeah, oh man, I don't know

832
01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:15.720
what that's not good, like sen
Sate and you're like, we'll just get

833
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:21.199
a weird nonsense, extra long episode
to wrap it up. I can't wait

834
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:25.760
for nine years from now when you
watch Sin Satan and like it. I

835
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:32.680
haven't. I'm with that speaking a
weird nonsense extra long episodes of the Clone

836
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.960
Wars weird step back. We're back
baby, because we like to talk about

837
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:41.479
the politics and the philosophy of these
things, and we're kind of I mean,

838
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:46.640
obviously, Assignment Earth's politics are worn
pretty pretty loudly on its sleeve of

839
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:50.680
being like war bad, Cold War
bad. Well, let's all get together,

840
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:58.800
and also you know, having a
good spy romp. Because the paradoxical

841
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:03.000
thing of Gene Roddenberry being a conservative
liberal yeah, or I guess a neoliberal

842
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:06.359
is easy. Is he a neoliberal? I mean, yeah, he's not

843
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:11.840
a lefty, but he's a Hollywood
liberal and of the nineteen sixties in the

844
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.720
sense of being like, I like, being a company man. Yeah,

845
01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:16.239
no, you can call it that. Yeah, they're like, yeah,

846
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:23.199
not progressives or leftists, but it's
like a white liberal. I mean,

847
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.920
we have different terminology for that now
versus what it would have been then.

848
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:30.079
I mean, yeah, he's a
white liberal. But yeah, even while

849
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.720
Geene Roddenberry was not a company man
himself, the folks that he got famous

850
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:40.960
for writing were very much company men
were bound by duty and honor and bound

851
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.560
to a system, and not only
that, but enjoyed the system that they

852
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.640
flourished in, right, which is
what carry seven does. Yeah, I

853
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.359
mean exactly. I mean, you're
it's interesting because I was, like,

854
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:57.640
I actually felt that it was.
It is. It is both so heavy

855
01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.319
on politics that it doesn't feel like
it has to do with it at all.

856
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:02.159
Yeah, like because it's like,
yeah, sure, of course this

857
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:04.920
is about you know, this is
about the way it is framed as I

858
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:10.800
am stopping World War three. Yeah, so it has just like a huge

859
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.560
stakes element to it that's not really
engaging in any kind of complexity about our

860
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.960
role or like Russia's the Soviet Union's
role kind of thing. It's more just

861
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:24.199
like, yep, we got to
do this kind of this this wild spy

862
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.560
like things actually mission impossible esque thing. We've got to stop the rocket,

863
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:31.159
We've got to start us launch by
the United States. We've got to stop

864
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:39.159
it, right right. Yeah,
Yeah, that's true. I think it's

865
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.800
more like it's like the shape of
the idea of the United States, or

866
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:46.239
like Earth as it is not being
quite advanced or good enough at this point,

867
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.119
you know. That's why it's assignment
Earth. Like he he comes back

868
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:53.520
and he like because they intercept him. So he's up on the the intercept

869
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:56.600
him onto the Enterprise and you're like, oh, fuck is this guy.

870
01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.279
He's like a dude that's clearly from
the sixty but like it's like, oh,

871
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.439
we haven't you know, like met
the Vulcans for Wager from the future,

872
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:08.199
and you're like, who is this
guy and his cat, which is

873
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.760
pretty fun. But then he gets
he's able to go back into the building

874
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.239
and he like looks out the window
and you know, it's like the street

875
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:17.279
in New York City down below with
all the cars, and then the cat's

876
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:23.600
like he's like, yes, it
is like uncivilized or it's yeah, it's

877
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.119
like the way that people live now, right, And so understanding this sort

878
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:32.039
of like this like current reality versus
a more idealistic future that he has to

879
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:38.039
be the one to ensure because he's
coming from an alien culture that is far

880
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.560
more advanced, far more like literally
civilized, and you know, any kind

881
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.800
of thing. So I think,
you know, that's a broad statement.

882
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:51.359
Feels more like a broad statement on
general geopolitics and just humanity in general,

883
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:56.279
just very star trek thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this was

884
01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:01.399
Geene Rodnberry trying to play ball a
little bit, because he's notoriously prickly with

885
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:09.199
NBC. Not no one really finds
him easy to work with. Case I

886
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:13.479
point a whole bunch of supervising producers
like Gene Kuhon and John Merretith Lucas leaves

887
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.560
after this and We've already had other
producers that have left Swell, and NBC

888
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:21.039
is just like, so maybe Gene
Roddenberry is trying to iron out his idiosyncrasies

889
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:25.760
and play ball a little bit.
Man. Yeah, yeah, I mean

890
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:33.600
it's a little I don't know,
didn't feel particularly like uh like risky Gene

891
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:38.399
wants to make money. That's why
he's in this whatever. I mean,

892
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:43.640
it's I mean, it's a filony
thing, right like which who Clearly I'm

893
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.199
not putting down Plonia saying Felony's do
any just things for money. He obviously

894
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.520
has like a strong creative endeavor.
But I guess an argument I want to

895
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:56.319
make here as someone who is grumpy
about work physically a very personal thing is

896
01:12:56.399 --> 01:13:00.479
happening right now is the idea of
playing the game to advance versus like like

897
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:08.039
truly getting to like do truly artistic
work, like you know, like I'm

898
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:11.479
sure Tartokowski was just like, yeah, I'm not going to be able to

899
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:14.960
actually do the thing I want to
do for like long term, like what

900
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:17.000
I would want to do, You're
going to stop, Like I would have

901
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:20.560
to come in and play the game
to be able to make to be part

902
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:23.840
of this and I don't want to
do that. I'm not going to sacrifice

903
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:28.159
what I see as my artistic integrity. I'm sure Feloni was not sacrificing as

904
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:29.920
I think he was, Like,
I do want to be part of this.

905
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.239
So this isn't me like putting anyone
down, but it does make me

906
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:39.359
think sometimes about like what you have
to give up to have something, especially

907
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.119
in like the art world, which
you give up to have something made,

908
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:48.039
Like even you know, it's like
right now, we deeply underpay artists,

909
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:55.079
like excruciatingly. So like artists who
play in south By Southwest get paid like

910
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:59.800
one hundred dollars. That's for like
your entire band. Yeah if that so

911
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:04.560
you're paid penny first person bive a
badge costs two thousand dollars, right,

912
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:09.119
you can also get a badge for
free. But also you still I think

913
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:12.720
if you're a performer you need one. Oh it might be that you can

914
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.359
either have that or money something like
that. But it's like yeah, but

915
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:19.399
when it comes to actual pay,
yeah, you're not paid anything. Look

916
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:24.159
at streams on Spotify, they're paid
nothing. They're all like this model of

917
01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:27.560
like you can't even get any kind
of money based off of it. So

918
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:30.800
artists who are creating just typical artists, not your Beyonces obviously, but like,

919
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.600
you know, smaller artists, people
who are creating the music or writing

920
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.600
the books or doing the things that
you love so much, are being so

921
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:42.079
severely underappreciated underpaid. But then if
you like look at other forms of this

922
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:46.199
in the past, something like a
having a system where you had a you

923
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:51.439
know, someone who was funding your
work, that's then going to be subject

924
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.680
to the whims of rich people or
rich institutions. So if you are someone

925
01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:00.800
who's being paid to create work by
the church, now of course you're making

926
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:08.039
like Jesus themed religious propaganda. If
you are someone who's being funded by a

927
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:13.840
Rockefeller, now you're making paintings of
rich fucks. Like It's so there's a

928
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.159
sort of I mean, and you
know, so I wonder sometimes about our

929
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.520
ability truly to like make you know, like I think I've come to the

930
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:24.319
point where I'm just like, wow, I mean, if I'm going to

931
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:27.359
make art, a probably not gonna
be paid for it, especially not like

932
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:32.079
unless you decided to become a marketing
genius, right right, And and you

933
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:35.800
know, and I think about that
with these things where it's like, I

934
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:42.239
don't I don't fault Roddenberry for being
like I want to stay on air and

935
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.279
stay on the network even though I'm
like annoyed by them, like all like

936
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:48.159
dilute shit, you know, I
wish you wouldn't, But also like,

937
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:51.159
you know, the times where it
can get through is something like and or

938
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:54.680
where they weren't paying attention to it
at all. Right, yeah, and

939
01:15:54.800 --> 01:16:00.239
now it's like, holy shit,
I'm sorry. Did an extremely subverse save

940
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:05.279
television program just get put powered out
on Disney Plus, like one that is

941
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:11.159
very anti structural of what Disney Plus
represents? Holy moly? How did this

942
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:17.000
happen? Right? Yeah, so
sometimes happens. Right. How does this

943
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:23.119
tie into Dave Filoni? Do you
think? Because we talked about this term,

944
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:26.119
and you have challenged me on this
term because I use it a lot,

945
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:27.960
and I like to use it a
lot because I think it applies to

946
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.159
a lot of populist art at this
point in time. And this is not

947
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:35.399
something that I think Dave Filoni is
even now whenever I don't like his stuff

948
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:42.000
now, cynical, Dave Filoni does
not seem cynical in his creative choices.

949
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:46.479
It seems like heights in those things. You could have a lot more of

950
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:50.760
an agreeable comedy man, like say
Alex Kurtzman, who is currently in charge

951
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:57.199
of Star Trek. And it took
years, and I think it took Alex

952
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:01.680
Kurtzman getting stretched very thin at some
good Star Trek finally started to pop up.

953
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:06.640
But Alice Kurtzman strikes me as someone
who is like, what do Star

954
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:11.319
Trek fans like? We'll try that, but also, how do how do

955
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:15.079
I make CBS and Paramount happy at
the same time? Well, I think

956
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:20.159
I think you're right, like,
and I think I'm thinking of are you

957
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:29.680
thinking about artists attempting to flourish against
this hyper capitalist environment? Because Dave Filoni

958
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:35.840
has essentially made it as long he's
as he's willing to make Star Wars forever.

959
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:40.479
And then he's also made the extremely
rare thing that animation folks do,

960
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:44.920
which is he's jumped over to live
action. Right. Well, no,

961
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:48.680
I think what I am arguing is
I think he has gotten to remain like

962
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.880
doing the things that he loves and
has stayed. Yeah, and he's not

963
01:17:53.039 --> 01:18:00.479
cynical. He's truly loving the thing
and making what he likes, getting to

964
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:04.720
have creative freedom. And I think
maybe what I am positing much like you

965
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:08.720
were, like, I don't know
what's going on in Georgia lacause his brain.

966
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:14.279
I wonder how much of that is
possible by playing the game of being

967
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:16.439
a company man. Yeah, versus
if he had not been, if he

968
01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:19.319
had been more like I'm interested in
you know, it's like what we're talking

969
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:25.479
about the topic. I'm interested in
more kind of ideas that go harder,

970
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.479
Like, you know, if he
had gone for anything more, That's what

971
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:31.760
I'm looking for here. You know, safe, he's no, if he

972
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:36.239
had gone for not safe. I
think harder is the I think correct word.

973
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:41.319
And or uh, shoot, well
now I'm looking for a different word

974
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:46.399
for lack of another term. And
or it goes hard it's yeah, well

975
01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:51.880
yeah it does. And then all
of Filoney's choices Strike has very safe.

976
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:56.439
Yeah, they're pretty safe, I
mean, but not cynical because you look

977
01:18:56.479 --> 01:19:00.640
at the reaction to the felony stuff, right, and all of it except

978
01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.720
for some reason season three at Mandalorian, for some reason, that's the drop

979
01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.279
off point. But I'm like,
did you see the end of season two

980
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:11.960
of Mandalorian? Stink O rue?
But I think Mandalorian. I think people

981
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:18.439
mandalorian is characterize it more as Pavreau, I think, rather than like just

982
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:23.399
your Faloney adventure. Disagree. I
do just think of it as And you

983
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:28.279
know why I disagree. Why because
Mando and Dave Filoni both wear hats.

984
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:32.479
Oh okay, And so whenever Star
Wars fans are watching Mando for the first

985
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.479
time, they're like, a,
Manda's wearing a hat? Is that Dave

986
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:39.279
Filoni? And I had to be
there being like, no, no,

987
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.800
that's a new character, and they're
like, no, no, no,

988
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:44.960
no, they have a hat that's
Dave Filoni. And I'm like, no,

989
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:46.600
my god, no, no,
no, my god, that's a

990
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:51.319
helmet. And I'm like and They're
like, no, helmets aren't real.

991
01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:56.800
And I'm like, should I have
picked you up in my tours? No?

992
01:19:57.119 --> 01:20:00.199
Definitely not, definitely not. Now, why did I take you back

993
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.960
to my apartment to watch the premiere
of Mandalorian as opposed to getting you emergency

994
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:11.199
services? What is going on?
I'm driving? Okay, Uh, it's

995
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:15.000
neither here nor there. Anyways.
That sounds like it was a really hard

996
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:19.279
time. It sounds like it was
a red Mandalorian was a really hard time

997
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:21.880
for us. It was a really
tough time. It's a really time.

998
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:25.720
Sorry, I really, I promise
you. I'm like way with you on

999
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:30.880
this. I'm just like curious because
I guess obviously as like kind of creative

1000
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:34.640
director on things. You know,
he wrote four fises the Mandalorian. Yeah,

1001
01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:40.239
but let's see, and you know
produced it. I'm like looking,

1002
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:44.520
and why am I? In my
mind? Is Fevreau more? Oh?

1003
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.199
Yeah, because you created In the
first season, Favreau was a lot more

1004
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:55.680
involved, and then the season two
happened twenty four apps. Yeah, or

1005
01:20:55.880 --> 01:21:01.439
just like Filony's all Colony's favorite things
are there? I see is now here

1006
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:08.600
and yeah, and of course yeah, bokas on which is all which is

1007
01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:16.039
all? That's all rebels. But
Mandalorian uh saga is all clone wars?

1008
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.520
Right? That makes sense? That
makes sense? I yeah, I think

1009
01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:23.239
you're right. It feels safe.
A lot of it feels very safe.

1010
01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:27.279
And maybe that's what I'm getting at, is like the idea of going hard

1011
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:30.039
versus being safe, and you're gonna
get You're gonna be able to keep on

1012
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:33.880
making the clone Wars and then crossover
if you're safe. Also, it seems

1013
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.680
like just like a really nice guy
to work with. He just seems very

1014
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:42.079
kind and very enthusiastic, and that's
great. I believe it's wonderful be nice

1015
01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:45.000
of the forest. And perhaps this
was just a sound bite, but I

1016
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:49.680
believe that it was Ashley Eckstein who
voiced Ahsoka. I can be misttributing this

1017
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:56.640
quote, but she says Dave is
the best director that I have ever worked

1018
01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:00.920
with. I'm not surprised. I
am sure, like this is what I

1019
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:04.119
was saying. I remember, like
episodes ago, we were talking about like

1020
01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.840
him becoming like the new creative director, and I was like, listen,

1021
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:13.279
if there is a dude, usually
a dude the people like working with who

1022
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:18.039
is genuinely like agreeable, amenable that
like actors like working with, like the

1023
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:21.960
kind of the crew likes working with. Yeah, that's like, why not,

1024
01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:28.479
Like not so many pieces of shit
are in charge of things? Phil

1025
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.319
Lord, Yeah him, heart of
him. I'm not going to fucking complain.

1026
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:36.039
And I love Floony, I love
the Clone Wars, I love Rebels,

1027
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:41.960
I love these pieces like so much
so so I'm not saying anything against

1028
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:46.359
him. I'm just kind of interested
in the games we play. What do

1029
01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:51.800
you think about the these four episodes
what it has to. I mean,

1030
01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:57.880
assign on Earth is interested in telling
a yarn that Yea is using Cold War

1031
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:02.760
as aesthetics. Yeah, I guess
Clone Wars a little bit is interested in

1032
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:08.720
using Star Wars as aesthetics, which
is, yeah, it's telling a yarn

1033
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:15.960
and also kind of replatforming what Star
Wars is for another generation of folks and

1034
01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:23.920
then also kind of repiloting what Star
Wars is by We've got banter again.

1035
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:32.359
Yeah, I mean I think I
think the introduction of Ahsoka and Ahsoka Tano,

1036
01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:39.760
Ahsoka Tano, not the other Ahsoka
Ahsoka Jones. Yeah, she is

1037
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:46.439
a real piece of work. I
mean the conflict that exists between her and

1038
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:53.720
Anakin to start with, that shifts
over the hour and forty minutes that you're

1039
01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:58.640
watching this film. Slash four episodes
is a really beautiful arc to watch.

1040
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:04.319
To know she's a kid. She
literally just went from being a student to

1041
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:09.520
now being a padawan because she's a
fucking child soldier and she's been put in

1042
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:13.399
this situation. We're not there yet, Sorry that's been but no we are

1043
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:16.399
because it happens here. But we're
not aware that that's offensive yet, because

1044
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:21.279
it's right now it's just a kids
show. Okay, I mean it's true,

1045
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:26.039
but he he I think, I
know, I have the current vision

1046
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:30.640
of it. But he says she's
just a young ling, which is it

1047
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:33.159
translates that all the way. Also, he's like nineteen whatever, he's not

1048
01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:38.680
that much older. He is,
like, it translates to you're still so

1049
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:44.000
young and you're literally being put into
battle. What does that mean? Like

1050
01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:45.319
it's not just like, oh I
don't want to deal with this kid.

1051
01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:49.520
It's like, esus, we're in
the middle of a war and you're here.

1052
01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.439
What's okay? I had to like
fucking keep you alive, you know,

1053
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:57.520
like I gotta teach this kid to
fight. And what we do eventually

1054
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.279
kind of come to is this realization
that that is all this Oka ever gets

1055
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:02.840
to be. She doesn't get to
be a keeper of the piece. She

1056
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:09.520
has to be a child soldier.
But at this moment in time, he's

1057
01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:12.720
such a surprise to be like,
Okay, this is my you know,

1058
01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.319
she is my padawan. I don't
want this thing. And her personality is

1059
01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:23.960
so perfectly I think positioned right because
she is kind of a touch of him,

1060
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:28.319
like in terms of like kind of
like bravery, recklessness and then a

1061
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:30.880
touch of Obi wan and being a
little bit more like straight, like to

1062
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.600
stay the course of like this is
what the Jedi are, and this is

1063
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:36.000
what I need to be. So
she's like a good combo of them.

1064
01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:42.319
So I think she works because he's
petulant, she's petulant, and it's just

1065
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:46.159
like an explosion and they like fuck
with each other and like the sniffs and

1066
01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:49.640
the sky guy and then by the
end of the by the end of the

1067
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:56.680
movie, by the end of the
episodes, they've developed what is I think

1068
01:25:56.760 --> 01:26:00.680
a beautiful platform for a very strong
relationship that just went through so much.

1069
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:06.239
What did you just say? A
platform for a very strong relationship? What

1070
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:14.359
don't you do it? Don't you
do it? A long time ago started

1071
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:19.119
dating. This week I quoted a
both I dated a geek, but none

1072
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:27.760
of them could warp my drive into
high birth space. The best of both

1073
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:36.239
the worlds kept meet in the second
place. Captain slog on a Halla kron.

1074
01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:43.960
I wanted a snog. I penned
a song seventeen more minutes advise in

1075
01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:57.640
Super High dev aboard the USS Enterprise
DTV. Don't you take my walk lighter

1076
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.920
and clip it? Don't you take
my red shirt, buddy, nibbit,

1077
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:09.399
spill the tea. I'm gonna sip
it a starship it. Hey, motherfucker

1078
01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:18.079
asking what are we doing? I'm
over here being like, what about that

1079
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:24.319
shape of show? What if we
just I told you more stories about myself

1080
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:30.399
where I heard a podcast for the
first time. We are going to name

1081
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:34.720
our favorite starships in the sky,
our favorite relationships in our heart. That's

1082
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:39.760
right, we are. Yeah.
I will not be shipping any children.

1083
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:45.199
You're not shipping any children? No
interesting, interesting choice? Oh but I

1084
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:47.920
I oh my god, Oh do
I do this now? Or do I

1085
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.760
say this? You should go first? You go first, you go first.

1086
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.199
I mean if I get to go
first, then I'm going with Gary

1087
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.800
seven and Isis Okay, okay,
so good, you took it, so

1088
01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:04.079
I go with the other one.
Oh my god, Sorry, don't act

1089
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:10.520
like Gary seven Isis because they're both
field officers. No, no, I

1090
01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:14.720
was I was that if you hadn't
I love It's not beat around I mean

1091
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:16.800
I also had a Star Wars one
as well, But I'm going with Gary

1092
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:20.800
seven Isis. Let's not beat around
the bush. You know, they're both

1093
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:26.479
field agents. They both had to
let off some steam. You know,

1094
01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:34.520
you know that they hooked up.
They're flirtacious banter yeah, brown, Yeah,

1095
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:40.680
and if look, if they haven't
consummated their field agent status, then

1096
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:46.239
you best believe that they're flirting up
a storm in this episode. To be

1097
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:55.479
clear for people, she does have
a human for yeah. Sometimes once there

1098
01:28:55.520 --> 01:29:00.560
were Lincoln seas and then double takes
and it then goes over again. Is

1099
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:03.239
just like, can you explain to
me who that is? By that time,

1100
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.760
she's gone back to a cat,
you know, you know, you

1101
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:13.279
know, you know, dude,
it's like such a good dead pen like

1102
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:15.560
he's just like, that's my cat, and you're just like, ha ha.

1103
01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.960
Although if they're really dedicated to it, he would have said that's my

1104
01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:28.079
pussy. Oh, and they weren't. What a disappointment. Imagine they had

1105
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:34.960
gone harder, you know what.
No, I don't. This is not

1106
01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:38.760
related to my ship, but I
just it occurred to me. I forgot

1107
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:45.720
to mention because you caught me off
for shape as show Kenny that the other

1108
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:48.720
reason the Clone Wars rules is because
it's not just a soca. It's also

1109
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:56.640
venturous and it's also rex. It
is three of my boys. Ahsoka Adventuress

1110
01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:00.640
and Rex. I love Adventres,
who you met, Yeah, we have

1111
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:05.640
met four presumably she died, but
she's not dead here, there's somehow Ventres

1112
01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:10.079
returned, Venturess returns. In fact, you kind of have this moment where

1113
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:13.000
we're watching it. I'm talking about
Ventures for a reason. She's part of

1114
01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:15.720
my ship. Uh. Joel was
just like, has it been established in

1115
01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:20.359
this that Anakin knows her? And
I was like no. And because I

1116
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:25.520
had not watched the two D Clone
Wars, I remember first seeing her and

1117
01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:30.279
being like, I guess she's just
a scary spy sith you know which I'm

1118
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:35.000
like, that's all you need.
No, But I I am of the

1119
01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:39.199
mind that you need the two D
Clone Wars in order to understand who the

1120
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:45.279
heck Ventress is, because she just
shows up. I never did smarter watcher

1121
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:48.960
than I am. Now She's They
basically have one line where it's just like

1122
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:54.000
she is Dookou's spy and she is
a fighter, and it fucking works.

1123
01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.760
I had not seen two D and
I was like, I get it.

1124
01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.479
She's she's she's like a grievous right, Like she's another one. And so

1125
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:04.399
you think that everyone's a grievous.
It's really frustrating. Yeah, it's a

1126
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:15.800
real grievance. My ship is uh
Venturess and obi Wan. Yeah, of

1127
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.239
course that's the other one that I
was going to pick. Yeah, those

1128
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.640
are the two. Those are the
two biggies. I though. To be

1129
01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:30.680
clear, ship dventurous with everyone she
has she has chemistry with everybody. There

1130
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:33.800
was a chair and Ventress was flirting
with that chair. It was incredible.

1131
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:41.560
But it's like very toppy, like
flirting every time. Oh god, like

1132
01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:46.960
she oozes sexy. Do you know
she's she's a death of me or she's

1133
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:51.840
a night death witch. Oh my
gosh, death witches, we get it,

1134
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:56.880
dath and mere witches everything. So
Datha meir witch. We were walking

1135
01:31:56.920 --> 01:31:59.039
the other day and you were eating
a burrito and you were like, you

1136
01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:01.880
know what's great about this? It's
a death amount And I'm just saying,

1137
01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:05.279
no, it just has a little
bit more cilantro on it than a usual

1138
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:13.279
burrito. It doesn't taste like soap
to me. Tastes like spice. Oh

1139
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:19.560
yeah, love Oliver. And she's
the reason I was like, oh should

1140
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:23.920
I wait? I'm like, because
there are so many moments of like Ventus

1141
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:28.760
Obi Wan that. It's like they
have like a we fucked kind of vibe

1142
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:34.960
to them, Like it's so good. That is mine for sure. Uh.

1143
01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:42.359
Speaking of ships, Yes, that's
the game. Let's move on from

1144
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:47.840
ships to ships. Ships. I'm
gonna pick uh the Republic drop ship.

1145
01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:53.239
Oh a really cool ship. Oh, I think that was gonna be mine.

1146
01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:55.920
Not the not the star Destroyer,
mind you, but the one with

1147
01:32:56.199 --> 01:33:00.800
kind of the over wings. And
I mean they're definitely model after Vietnam helicopters.

1148
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:06.640
Forget what those are called exactly,
But everyone's just standing in there love

1149
01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:12.680
it. I love it. And
in in the movie, uh, we

1150
01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.319
get to see them close up them
doors and I was just like, hell,

1151
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:19.279
yeah, that looks cool. I
love the design. I love it

1152
01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:25.359
whenever they have those little those tiny
little death stars on the side as well,

1153
01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:30.000
because everything's a death star. The
whole planet is one big death star.

1154
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:36.159
It's just a really cool design because
it's they got those little feet,

1155
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:43.800
got those little fet It's like it's
like a it's like a quadrupedal animal,

1156
01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:45.359
but it's like a little drop drop
right. I think of the yeah,

1157
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:47.119
I think of the right ship.
And it's got a little door that comes

1158
01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:49.880
down, but it sort of feels
like it feels like an animal. No,

1159
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:55.840
I'm not thinking of the right one. No. Oh, is it

1160
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.560
like the drop ship, the one
that brings down the soldiers. I'm thinking

1161
01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:02.039
of the war that's like more ground
oriented. Okay, that's all. I'm

1162
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:09.000
thinking of an att that's what.
Sorry. I'm the atts which like it's

1163
01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:12.359
like they go terrain. The drop
ships are the ones that come down with

1164
01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:16.319
the soldiers. The Attes, which
are featured in a really cool that was

1165
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:19.760
a thing that was frustrating with the
Clone Wars. We'll get to it in

1166
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:25.359
the ranking system. Uh, but
one of the cool things featuring the atte

1167
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:30.199
climbing up the clicks yes, yes, during that point, and I'm just

1168
01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:34.520
like, this is cool. Vertical
vertical. There's so many ships, Like

1169
01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:38.560
genuinely, there's like a bunch of
shit that I loved. I love the

1170
01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:45.039
ship that they that we we have
truly been in the deserts in terms of

1171
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:49.279
ships for Star Wars and now have
everything we're in the Clone Wars man so

1172
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:56.640
many ships everywhere lester of riches,
there's it's a they they have to get

1173
01:34:56.640 --> 01:35:00.119
to a ship to get away from
ventus. Oh gosh, dang it and

1174
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.680
they get over this isn't gonna be
my I already picked my ship. I

1175
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:06.039
should have said the Saturn five rocket, because that's a real ship, the

1176
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:12.239
Saturn five. Oh right, like
in in the check it's my one chance.

1177
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:15.079
But I already said it. I
know it's okay, you can say

1178
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.680
it again. It's the rocket,
the Saturn five rockets. These are the

1179
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:21.600
rules, the rules, These are
the rules. So this isn't my ship.

1180
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:26.920
But I just want to name this
ship because it's so silly there they

1181
01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:31.000
need to get away from ventus with
with we didn't even like talk about anything

1182
01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:33.520
that happens, you know, we
didn't really talk about the plot of it.

1183
01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:39.680
But also the plot seems so antilarry
as opposed to I don't. I

1184
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:41.920
mean, they well, the thing
is by the way they have to get

1185
01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:46.000
Java's back to him, but it's
like it's it's a trick, like it's

1186
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:53.079
all like it's a classic you know, Dooku slash dreads citious thing where it's

1187
01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:57.520
like, well we one wild concept
to be like we have to be on

1188
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:02.319
this gangster's good side because we need
to be able to access these hyperspace pathways

1189
01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:08.119
to get our soldiers through space,
which is I think a very interesting sort

1190
01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:11.359
of like it's just banal right.
It's like the same thing as like having

1191
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:14.439
this medal management. It's like,
well, we need access to highways,

1192
01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:16.640
so what do we have to how
do we have to sell our soul to

1193
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:21.239
get access to to like movement And
that's interesting. So we're like, okay,

1194
01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:26.680
we got to rescue this little little
slug baby who's pretty cute, and

1195
01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:30.600
that's very interesting. That's part of
this plot to be like, oh,

1196
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:34.039
to turn you know, job against
and make them make him think that they've

1197
01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:38.000
killed him and or that they are
the ones that abducted him. It's a

1198
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:41.319
whole thing. But I thought that
that was very fascinating. They're trying to

1199
01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:45.560
get away from Ventriss. They've got
little slug boy. He's sick. It's

1200
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:47.640
a little baby, and I have
to they try. They see a ship

1201
01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:51.479
over another landing pad and they go
to it and it's it's a really cool

1202
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.640
looking ship. This is not my
ship, but I just want to name

1203
01:36:54.680 --> 01:36:58.039
this I just want to name this
ship. What is that ship? Because

1204
01:36:58.039 --> 01:37:00.680
I love that ship too, because
it looksunky as hell. It's it is

1205
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.960
clunky as hell. I love ships
that look like they're about to fall apart.

1206
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:08.279
Maybe this is my ship I wanted
to give I did want to give

1207
01:37:08.319 --> 01:37:11.279
Star Trek some love. But I
like, really did like this ship.

1208
01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:13.960
Let me look it up. I
just seen the name of it. The

1209
01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:17.159
ships are there on Star Trek outside. It wasn't going to be a ship.

1210
01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:20.479
It was going to be his transport. Very good. I really love

1211
01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:24.439
it. I think it's cool.
It's his Tartus basically, but it's his.

1212
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:28.159
It's his like stationary tartist. Speaking
of which, we didn't even talk

1213
01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:32.119
about the Beta five computer, which
is a definitely reuse of the M five

1214
01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:36.880
from the Ultimate Computer, and I
just I love it anytime I'm like they

1215
01:37:36.960 --> 01:37:42.760
reused that it's a thing that I
recognize. It's so silly. I love

1216
01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:45.720
that she's like the computer voice screams
and also sass as him. Well that's

1217
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:53.479
how computers were. So it's called
the Twilight. It's an old Karelian G

1218
01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:58.359
nine rigor freighter. So the thing
is that he continues to use it throughout

1219
01:37:58.399 --> 01:38:01.720
the Clone Wars series. Yea,
I don't. I do not like this

1220
01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:05.279
part, but it is kind of
hilarious. Felony has stated that fine that

1221
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:10.239
this finally gives some credit to Uncle
Olan's claim that Luke's father was a navigator

1222
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:15.600
and a spicewrider. We don't need
that explained. We don't. But I

1223
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.680
okay, as long as that's never
explicitly said, I find that. Yeah,

1224
01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:23.880
as soon as that's explicitly said,
I'm going to throw myself out the

1225
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:28.239
closest window. I hate it.
I really hate that. But is great

1226
01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:31.760
too much. That ship has such
a funny shape. It's like it's got

1227
01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.800
like a fin at the bottom.
It's a diet be wing. Yeah,

1228
01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:38.239
it's a diet be wing. It
also looks a little bit like the ship's

1229
01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:42.119
at the end of Last Jedi that
they take out with that have like the

1230
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:45.279
ski on the bottom a little bit. I really like that. But yeah,

1231
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:49.359
it's a it's a clunker, but
it can go. But that is

1232
01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:54.600
that is not your ship though,
No, my ship is the is the

1233
01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:58.239
transport that you're talking about, the
bit of five, I'm talking about it.

1234
01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:00.760
Yeah, but the way that a
transport, it's him as it looks

1235
01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:05.439
like, and it's like a blue
mist. You do love to see it.

1236
01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:11.000
And then they bring back the Beta
five in a of all places.

1237
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:16.199
Star Trek Picard season two which is
so wild. Okay, you know this

1238
01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:19.760
is the better choice to choose this
one because this other ship that Twilight comes

1239
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.239
back, so I can always grab
it again if I want, you can.

1240
01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:27.880
Yeah. So anyway, look at
you acting like the Republican Party in

1241
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:43.119
two thousand, rigging the system.
I am that Apparently apparently someone there was

1242
01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:45.840
like I just read this thing,
and I guess it's true where its apparently

1243
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:54.880
someone was uh lauding George W.
Bush and Jill Biden. Doctor Jill Biden

1244
01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:59.760
like was like absolutely not like that
man sent my children to war and got

1245
01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:05.680
raged and I was just like,
yes, bitch, go even though jenocide,

1246
01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:12.079
but you know what I get it. Let's call it out well.

1247
01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:19.000
Uh, speaking of misplaced Gore,
so too was the stump that conceits of

1248
01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:24.560
our of our of our podcast.
As we put two things we love to

1249
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:28.600
an unfortunate battle, as we go
back to which one is better? Star

1250
01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:33.159
Trek or Star Wars Again? Assignment
Earth, the last episode of season two

1251
01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:39.359
of Star Trek the original series versus
the film Star Wars the Clone Wars.

1252
01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:44.880
I believe I went first last week, so I'm going to start with Aspen.

1253
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:48.520
Aspen, what do you rank assignment
Earth seven point five because I had

1254
01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:51.479
a fucking great time. I know
that it's a mid episode, but I

1255
01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:56.439
liked, I had fun. I
really enjoyed it. It made me if

1256
01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:59.760
if it was intended to be a
backdoor pilot. It got me interested,

1257
01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:08.840
and that seems good enough for me. Everyone is great. I wish you

1258
01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:11.840
could get that published in a newspaper
as a little as a little blurb.

1259
01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:15.119
I'm gonna give this a five.
Yeah, Mitt, that's what you said.

1260
01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:19.239
Mid, quite and quite mid.
I found my attention wavering a great

1261
01:41:19.319 --> 01:41:25.920
deal, which is unfortunate. Uh
yeah, just mid, it's mid.

1262
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.159
There's not much there, ROBERTA.
Lincoln sings. I would have loved to

1263
01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:33.119
see more Gary seven, but this
episode just there is not much going on

1264
01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:41.239
outside of introducing new toys. And
that's unfortunate. That's fine, that's unfortunate

1265
01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:47.800
that you're wrong about the property you're
supposed to love. All right, speaking

1266
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:51.000
of the property that you're supposed to
love, Star Wars, the Wars as,

1267
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:55.800
what do you rank it? It's
it's funny because like I would give

1268
01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:58.880
the episodes all different rakings, right, but I have to give this as

1269
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:03.880
a collective whole ranking. So I'm
going to you're giving Star Wars the Clone

1270
01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:09.239
Wars a collective ranking. I am
giving it no like this movie. Yes,

1271
01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:12.960
this as a movie, So I'm
going to give it a seven.

1272
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:21.880
All right, Oh that's it?
Yeah, Oh you're not okay to a

1273
01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:27.159
gentleman's seven. Well, I'm going
to give it a gentleman six. Okay.

1274
01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:30.520
I had a really fun time with
this. Yeah, so much of

1275
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:41.840
its There's been a new discourse in
film criticism about vibes based films, and

1276
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:47.399
this movie is vibes, so much
vibes. If you think about it for

1277
01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:53.159
a second, you're like, none
of this makes sense. But also,

1278
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:56.920
it's Star Wars. It's a star
it's a Star Wars TV show for twelve

1279
01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:02.239
year old kids, and it's not
me and dress is like a twelve year

1280
01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:08.079
old. Yeah. Are there some
boneheaded things, sure, but the emotional

1281
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:14.760
logic is there, and I think
that, Yeah, it gives me what

1282
01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:18.159
I want, which are Star Wars
vibes in a way that the prequels aren't

1283
01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:24.039
able weren't able to achieve. Is
it the two D Colne Wars? Certainly

1284
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:30.800
not, but it understands the assignment
and is able to repilot Star Wars in

1285
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:34.880
a way that I'm like, cool, that's okay, assignment tattooing, uh

1286
01:43:35.039 --> 01:43:40.439
speaking of a sign. Wait there's
this sorry, wait, there's this really

1287
01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:45.920
great lie. I'm like trying to
remember it. But it was like something

1288
01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:51.079
like Ahsoka is trying to like get
Anakin to talk about himself and like maybe

1289
01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:57.159
like they're on tattooing, yes,
a whole thing, right, like this

1290
01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:03.039
is awful for him. He also
he says a sentence about like the the

1291
01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:06.520
desert is unforgiving, which is a
much better it's a good retcon of I

1292
01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:11.439
hate sand. Like it's like,
yeah, there's a reason why you hate

1293
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:13.800
this. It's not just like the
dumb shit of like I hate sand.

1294
01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:17.720
It's course ingrading. It's literally like
to be raised as an enslaved person in

1295
01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:21.399
such an unforgiving environment? What does
this mean for you? And there's another

1296
01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:26.399
thing that she says, like she
says something about and I oh, I'd

1297
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:29.000
have to look up the line.
But he like says something like that like

1298
01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:33.319
lots the teachings of like Annakin.
It's just like very funny about because he

1299
01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:36.119
doesn't want to engage with his past. And it was like I really love

1300
01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:40.840
it. The desert is merciless.
It takes everything from you, is what

1301
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:44.479
he says. That's the line.
The desert is merciless, it takes everything

1302
01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:47.600
from you. But it certainly doesn't
take away Aspen's victory for this week,

1303
01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:53.199
as it means that Star Wars the
corn Wars beats a Simon on Earth this

1304
01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:59.880
week with its robust six point five
versus a Simon arth paltry six point two

1305
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:03.960
five. I dare say, what
a note to start off the Clone Wars

1306
01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:15.079
on cute that sounds fun. We
did it. We did do most of

1307
01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.560
it, but we haven't done all
of it because of course, as I

1308
01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:24.560
like to remind folks copiously, we
do indeed have a Patreon on Patreon dot

1309
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:29.199
com, slash track Wars Pod,
and we do have some correspondent from our

1310
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:34.359
canon listener Arizona. Mark Oh,
love that dude on his coyote, Love

1311
01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:39.079
that guy on his coyote, Mark
Puiler Coyote over. We won't want any

1312
01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:45.399
coyote related accidents. In regards to
our extended episode Star Wars Clone Wars Volume

1313
01:45:45.439 --> 01:45:53.840
two versus The Ultimate Computer, Mark
comments in regards to my ten point plan

1314
01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:58.680
on fixing the prequels, Mark says
I enjoyed many of those takes on an

1315
01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:01.079
alternate story, not all, but
many. The needs of the many outweigh

1316
01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:04.279
the needs of the view at my
at least, that's what a logical Vulgan

1317
01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:10.119
would tell you. I need him
to clarify if he liked my points in

1318
01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:15.680
response to your points more than your
point? Did you like Aspen's responses to

1319
01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:25.680
my points more than my Kenny yep
point? All right, perfect, thank

1320
01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:29.239
you. I have now commented that
on the Patreon and also made that canon

1321
01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:33.680
by recording this on the podcast,
and then also in regards to our early

1322
01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:39.880
episode Star Wars Episode three, Revenge
of the Sith versus Bread and Circuses Arizona,

1323
01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:43.600
Mark says, I watched Revenge of
the Sith three times before it was

1324
01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:48.640
officially released, since I was a
projectionist at the time. Me and quote

1325
01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:54.720
unquote hasn't seen rebels Mike in regards
to his co host on the Woldo Maneuver,

1326
01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:58.119
Mike, Mike, if you're listening, we love you. If you're

1327
01:46:58.159 --> 01:47:09.680
not, I have to say violent
stuff. You were baby cool, that's

1328
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:15.039
very cool. Projections. Gosh,
man, if I stayed at my bad

1329
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.960
summer job as at working in a
movie theater. Longer I would have been

1330
01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:21.119
able to be a projectionist, but
alas I had to go to college,

1331
01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:26.920
guess what you didn't, And so
you're in a podcast and instead people pay

1332
01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:32.319
you to make great content like early
episodes, extended episodes like whenever I presented

1333
01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:35.680
a ten point plan on how to
fix the Star Wars prequels, and that

1334
01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:41.319
I responded to the asthmen definitely did
respond to I'm excited to see how Mark

1335
01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:45.399
responds which one of us he likes
better? He likes better? That's and

1336
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.239
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1337
01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:51.520
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1339
01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:01.720
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1340
01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:09.520
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1341
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But boy, howdy do wee use
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1344
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1345
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1346
01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:35.359
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1347
01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:51.239
now now all right, well but
all right, why asp and I love

1348
01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:58.840
you? I love you too,
interrupt me, audience, We love you

1349
01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:02.039
so much. May the Force be
with you and live long and prospering.

1350
01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:23.000
You're waiting for me to say something
cool. Yeah, I like that