Star Wars vs. The Immunity Syndrome

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the Internet's primary solution. We're trying to

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answer the most important question in fandom, which is better Star Trek or Star

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Wars. We're going through both franchises
in chronological release order, and today boil

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boy Man, old Man, Guy, Oh guy, I think we've got

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a humdinger of an episode. I
am Kenny Madison is the Star Trek contingent

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of this podcast and with me Esper
always must be. Uh, George Lucas,

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I just want you to know that
I'm so proud of this new remastered

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version of my film. Every frame
is packed full, uh, and the

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poetry is still rhyming. It's it's
so dense, every single so much going

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on. That's right. Of course
we're talking about Star Trek, the original

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series, the amenity syndrome. Yeah. Also just kidding. I'm so sorry.

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I know I totally fooled you,
but it's me, Aspen, it

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was it's me. I wasn't George
Lucas. Did did I? Did I?

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Did I get yet? Yeah?
I was confused the entire time.

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Wow. Wow. And also I
guess we are talking about Star Wars the

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Special Edition? Well, yes,
that famous episode the Immunities Syndrome versus Star

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Wars A New Hope remastered. That's
I guess technically nineteen ninety seven, but

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whatever it was on Disney Plus,
so whatever ten billion other remasterings they've done

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since then, that's true. I
believe there have been four different versions of

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the Special Edition, Yeah, because
with each one they tighten up the gredo

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han shooting even more, and then
you're like, really shot first, Well,

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it's an important question of my life. Well, yes, okay,

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so let's uh huh, let's get
into it. Oh, let's get into

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it because essentially we're much like Community
season five, we're repiloting. Yeah,

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do you know who's a pilot?
Did a really good pilot, like like

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a great pilot, like such a
good pilot that they literally just let him

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fight immediately with like no reil back
check. Look Skywalker, looks Skywalker,

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look Skywalker. They just like put
him in an X Wing and they're like

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you sure you can do this?
And I was like, yeah, I

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think. Goodness the Internet didn't exist
in nineteen seventy seven, or else it

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would just be intolerable. I would
be insufferable. I have a thought every

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time I watched Star Wars every time, I'm like, because I love I

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love. Sorry just to tell real
quick, I fucking love Star Wars.

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I don't know if you know this
about me. Well, yes, allegedly,

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allegedly, I have to say allegedly, because you can't because of that,

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you can't legally hold it against me, right right, right, right,

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right, right right. I've heard
that you're the Star Wars contingent of

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the podcast I am. And I
was crying at the end of Star Wars

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and New Hope. I was just
like, looking at the friend. I

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get that they could have died and
they saved each other like sobbing, but

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all I could think was a love
you, Luke, my sweet little boy.

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And I was thinking. I was
just like, eh, dude,

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a kid. He was just like
a little kid from Modesto. Oh,

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I mean tattooed and and he did
it. And then I was like,

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but fuck, ray, am I
right? Anyway? Yeah, that's right,

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it's fine, it's fine. I'm
fine. Stop looking at me that

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way. I'm fine. Didn't literally
stop it, stop it. I see

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it. You're worried about me.
That's right, it's fine, Yeah,

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that's right. I'm gonna be okay
speaking of fine for people that are playing

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the whole version the home game,
rather of the course podcast. For this

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repilot, let's provide some synopsis for
dmunity syndrome, and in the unlikely event

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that someone has not watched Star Wars, those synopsis for Star Wars. Sorry,

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star Wars episode four a new hope. I have a better idea of

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reading something off. Maybe we can
replace this in posts. But what I'm

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going to do right now is I'm
going to play the audience reactions to seeing

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the special edition of Star Wars at
the cinema in nineteen ninety seven. Get

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ready as the curtain came up and
the new and improved Star Wars was finally

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unveiled. The one family talked to
it was anything less they make stick.

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It was awesome. It was great. The new special effects were great.

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Everybody in the audience notices them,
and everybody screams, and it's so much

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fun. You get to see Bigs
and and uh Uke Skywalker interact. That

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was something new. Once you get
to see all the whole fleet fly out

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towards the Death Star. Very exciting. Sound was so loud. I could

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actually feel the vibration. I never
thought I were experiencing anything like that.

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This is great. This was just
I mean, I knew the ending,

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but I was right there at the
end of my seeing Your scenes are spread

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throughout the movie, so it's not
like in one's part of it, and

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it's great. It's just great.
The sound picture, the quality, the

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negative, the way that everything was
nice together. Oh my gosh, go

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see the movie is on. You're
welcome. I love that. Can you

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please send that video to me?
Drop it in the chat because that is

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fabulous and also important context yep were
how the special editions were released at the

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time, because the special editions helped
put Star Wars back on top in terms

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of financial gain. Yep. And
it was at least the first in the

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re release was gargantuate, right.
It was funny because well, and we'll

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get into this. In ninety seven, I was seven eight years old and

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I famously, as what I've said
on this podcast before, had never seen

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Star Wars and I did not watch
them. I had no idea that was

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happening too. I was too focused
on the Spice Girls and being moved around

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to various places as a child against
my will. And it wasn't until,

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of course, nineteen ninety nine when
The Phantom Menace came out that I saw

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Star Wars for the first time.
So I was not aware of this as

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an experience, unlike that child who
said that it was so loud that she

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could feel the seat shaking. But
that is how I felt watched the Phantom

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Menace. It's worth anyway agree that's
outstanding context. So this was whenever you

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got around to watching Star Wars for
the first time. These were probably the

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version, well, at least the
ninety seven versions were probably the versions.

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No, because I got the videos
from the Blockbuster and they were the originals.

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You remember this well because I it
wasn't until later in my life that

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a fucking scene with Jaba like you
inserted that. I remember watching Star Wars

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later and that's showing up and being
deeply like confused. I was like,

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this is not I never saw this. What is going on? Yes?

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So I that to me, And
there's a couple of other things says to

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me. I watched the original versions
because I watched them on VHS, and

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I think in nineteen ninety nine,
it stands to reason that they wouldn't They

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might not have those like they might
even they might not have you know,

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Yes, I yeah, I feel
like the videotapes came out. They must

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have come out around my birthday,
which is in September, September twenty fifth,

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the same day as Mark Hamill's,
just because I remember that happening with

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Star Wars. Either that or I'm
wrong, which is entirely possible. I

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do do research, but sometimes I'm
wrong. Yeah, Blockbuster already has Star

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Wars. Why would they want to
buy new versions? Right? But that's

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money that they don't have to send, and I yeah, absolutely, I

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just I have to tell you I
had not watched the actual remastered versions until

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yeah, later in life, whenever
I might have gotten DVDs or bought them

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or I don't know, yep,
genuinely, because I just remember it being

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bewildered and then immediately being like,
how can I find an original version of

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this that is not this? Yeah? Yes, uh real quick, I

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want to get this on the record. Was just some quick synopsis just because

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of the structure of the podcast,
right, well, that was a synopsis.

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Oh, that was my synopsis.
That's my synopsis. Okay, that's

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my smittal for synopsis for this episode, because because everybody knows, you know,

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what you're right, then let me
counter okay with The Immunity Syndrome Star

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Trek Star Trek the original series.
The Immunity Syndrome written by Robert Savara,

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directed by Joseph Pebney, Joseph Pevney's
final directorial credit for Star Trek the Original

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series. And this episode was definitely
released, which is great. Sure,

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yeah, that's true. Yep,
I liked it. I can't self your

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frozen or you're just waiting, you're
just letting that one just lie there.

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Released on January nineteenth, nineteen sixty
eight. Cool and from a TV Guide

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synopsis published January thirteenth, nineteen sixty
eight, and The Humanity Syndrome, The

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Enterprise assumes the role of an antibody
as it penetrates a oneself organism eleven thousand

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miles long. The energy draining Invader
has already annihilated an entire Star system and

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is about to reproduce like Me on
Thursdays. This episode features psychedelic special effects

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created by Frank Vanderveer. Thank you
so much, tv Guide, also uncredited

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polished by John Meredith Lucas. So
thank you, Frank, Thank you,

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Frank. Wow, we don't recognize
our VFX artist nearly enough. We truly,

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truly do not. Especially with Star
Trek Star Wars. I feel like

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the VFX folks are a little bit
more famous, but like a little bit

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but like Star Trek, tell me
outside of Frank Vanderveer, tell me who

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did the special evcts for it.
I don't know, but I want to

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thank whoever made Pizza Rock I want
to thank them. Thank you, Pizza

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Rock Man, thank you or or
lady or probably or Lighty or Lighty but

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probably not. Yeah, unfortunately no
now, Aspen, Yeah, Aspen,

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No, Kenny. We have had
it brought up in the past before.

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Why did the podcast this way?
Ah, it's a thing that we've litigated

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on this podcast before with each other. Yeah, why why do it in

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chronological release order? Why do this? And the answer is that you kid

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have weird, weird connections between a
random episode of Star Trek and yeah this

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and then Star Wars A New Hope
remastered? Is that the main reason?

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Yeah, I think serendipitous connections,
Yes, sandipitous connections. And also it's

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fun to play the mental exercise of
what the Star Wars being in its just

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pulling a random number out of my
head, like sixty third installment and Star

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Trek being in its sixty third installment, and for some reason, both of

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these creators, both of the people
in charge of both franchises just sitting down

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and being like, Okay, this
is the sixty third story we've told.

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It has to be this type of
story. That's funny. And then also

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we have actually run into that before
where we were like, why on this

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episode are they telling the same story
like the Freaking Cat's baw versus the other

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the ewok Halloween episode, and we
just incidentally happened to do that. Yeah,

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it's weird whenever that happens. Yeah, and also funny when there are

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now two Star Trek episodes that are
basically Star Trek the Motion Picture or Star

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Trek the Motion Picture is those two
episodes. Yeah, but that's does have

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to do with comparison. That's just
me making a statement I do. I

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mean, I can't initially find many
thematic comparisons between these things. But if

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we are, if we are repiloting
this podcast by cleaning our palette of e

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walks androids, I have to talk
to you about something. Sure, here

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we go. I'm so glad we
went. We went through e walks and

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joy no, hear me out.
I'm here and you're out. I'm so

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glad we went three walks androids.
What an experience, What a completionist kind

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of experience to have? Which is
your cup of tea? Are? That

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is? If someone would be like, describe Kenny, I'd be like,

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cutie pie, completionist. If you're
wondering if I'm gonna buy a ticket to

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go see Madam Webb, your darn
right, I'm gonna buy a ticket.

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I gotta finish it. Got it? You're gonna say it twice? Yeah,

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because the first time I have to
watch it because I'm experiencing the visceral

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thrill. And the second time I
gotta be like, now it's time to

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take it in. Oh my liabi, I'm not I'm not quite a completionist,

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which is probably you know, it
goes with its own benefits. But

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I respect you and your vision,
and I'm also my Lucasian vision. Yes,

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yes, Lucasian God. I hope
that's that's it. It's real.

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It's real. Word. I'm so
glad we're done waits and joys. I'm

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so glad we're dyed. Yes,
uh, and we are entering into the

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new phase of Trek Wars where we
are basically we're basically what we're repiloting.

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We're repiloting. We're repiloting, much
like the Star Wars franchise basically repiloted itself.

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Clever, clever, look at us, we're the same. Yes,

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let me talk about my experience about
watching the special editions freaking act you kidding

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me? Get to see Star Wars
in its theater. Star Wars was literally

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the first movie that I ever watched
on this planet, videotape of all three

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Star Wars films, and then my
mom will grow do things in the other

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room and just kind of put Star
Wars on twenty minutes at a time.

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Free love Star Wars. There's no
time where I don't remember a time having

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not watched Star Wars so too,
and then growing up and hearing the stories

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that my dad told about watching the
original in a very sparsely attended theater with

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his cousin Jeff, not Jeff Webster, that's my dad different Jeff. How

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does he spelled his name with a
jay or g j wow, not the

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British fancy why oh oh alah.
But hearing my dad taught to tell the

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story about watching Star Wars and no
one being in the theater and then the

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freaking Star Wars logo explodes on the
screen and both of them just being like,

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what is this movie? Immediately?
And I wanted to experience that on

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the big screen. And then for
my freaking ninety seven so I would have

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been in January of ninety seven,
so I would have been eight years old,

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yep, and all just hearing that
there were new scenes for Star Wars.

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You kidding, make new special effects, The Outrider is going to be

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in it. I got it real
quick. That you were talking about and

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other people are talking about actually doesn't
remind me a lot of except for the

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seeing it on screen part. The
special editions of the Lord of the Rings

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films, which I was rabbit to
get my hands on when they were released.

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Rabbit and I dare say the extended
editions Lord of the Rings don't necessarily

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stick out as much of sore thumb
some of the changes here in the special

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edition, but we'll litigate that later
on our other podcast, watch Lord of

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the Rings ten minutes at a time. Yes, which compare Lord of the

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now. We're talking about Star Wars
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I saw it, remember waiting in
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it. It got the box set
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seeing me for the dork that I
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just getting me Star Wars stuff.
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And then, as all clitical teenagers
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Lucas had hidden the original theatrical cuts
from us? How dare he criminal?

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Robbing us of our cultural heritage?
How dare he ruining my childhood? But

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I was using much more severe language
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like what give me an example.
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it's repugnant language. Were you like
fucked deck guy? Oh? No more

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a salty fucked that guy a lot? Yeah that's it? Yeah, yes.

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because I do remember very ferociously,
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I forgot to play the first impressions
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something to like the anger of having
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and me. Yes, it also
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audience is like you mean, there
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like I find like most of them
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anymore. Well, yeah, because
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we do. Which is is it
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machine or something I can't remember?
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right, I'll send you Google drive
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had my sources when I was like
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what I wanted to watch. I
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a predecessor to the media and the
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like editing and deleting and changing,
and it feels very death feels very dangerous

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and nefarious to me because you know, then we can't trust the media of

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we can't trust the media, but
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we love to even be there forever, because what if it's just wiped clean

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from fucking Spotify or Netflix or Max. You know. Well, it's it's

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interesting because Lucas posits that it is
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to do something like this, fuck
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sorry, Wow, that was that
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and also there's the cultural obligation,
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talking about removing Police Academy five from
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out there very matty, oh excuse
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be mad. He's like, that's
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really quick, though, I just

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to like, because the things that
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well, he's like, well,
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have like it's my right to be
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if it's coming from the perspective too, of being like, well, this

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was what it originally would have been, Like this is my like vision of

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what it would have been. But
like I read something about the whole dumb

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Greto scene. Right, yes,
let me read this to you. It's

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my sources Wikipedia. Yeah, yeah, sounds like you did a little bit

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of research. Aspen, you're always
clowning on yourself about how you never do

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research. Sounds like you're about to
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what mean that you did research?
It is on This is humiliating. This

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is me reading from Wikipedia, which
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not be going to each individual source, but do that students at home,

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All, okay, expect your essay
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week. Yes. So in the
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the ninety seven that's the one that
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first, and hans Head is literally
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in the two thousand and four DVD
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then it was shortened even more on
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even more so. Right, so
there's like a lot here. Here's the

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paragraph. The original version of the
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the alter version is one of the
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have coined the phrase Haun shot first
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which, according to polygon alters hans
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pretty fabulous. Lucas has stated that
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In twenty fifteen, a replica of
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discovered in the archives of the University
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dated March fifteenth, nineteen seventy six, only Hans shoots. So tell

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me again, George Lucas, which
your original vision for anything is like this

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is we started to get into some
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a little bit of Joean territory of
tweeting shit like that wizard's ship in the

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halls. Let's not compare Lucas to
Joe, and Lucas is, at least

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as far as I know, far
better than Joe, and uh ever ever

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will be well because one is the
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just a guy. How long,
look at me eating Chinese food in them

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all? Which I respect that picture
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George Lucas at one point. And
this is why I'm thrilled, because

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there's a wonderful narrative that's starting to
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films that we will be covering note
as much in Clone Wars, and I

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guess the Clone War gandhy Tartakowsky that
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Anakin Skywalker is part of it.
But an interesting This is probably going to

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be me looking too much into it, but also that's what I love to

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do of a filmmaker, of a
creative, of a businessman. Yeah by

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the time that he's more businessman than
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businessman than man. Yeah, and
uh, the Prequels just jumping ahead,

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But it's an interesting look at a
person because I think I finally cracked the

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Prequels on what his perspective is on
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it. But we're not there yet. Now we're here in special edition territory,

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right right, Uh? And I
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I have access to pristine copies of the

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originals, I don't find them as
offensive, but also you have to go

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dig for them. But also emp
you dig, you can find it pretty

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darn easy right at this point in
time, you know, And for what

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it's worth, there are some like
there are a lot of changes that are

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lovely, like it real like you
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little bit better. That's like there's
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there's the whole scene in the canyon
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is like kind of heart. It's
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graphics stick out like a sore thumb. Yes, God, yeah again,

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beautiful moments. I truly do love
the BIG's Luke scene. I love that

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scene, which it actually were in
the original. Then there's stuff where I'm

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like, this looks so bad,
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and like on Tattoo You're just like
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and it's or the hon hon uh
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My literally's favorite thing that's ever been
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is not great. It's there's a
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seven version because it's repetitive and all
this stuff's already been said. It takes

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away from the impact the reveal of
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Java Yeah, which is a wild, big deal that you find out that

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this this guy, this this uh
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big fucking Look. Sorry, okay, I'll stop, i'll start, I'll

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stop, I'll stop. I'm calming
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important. Okay, I think it's
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Okay. I do just want to
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this, that the immunity syndrome is
an episode that happened. The immunity of

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syndrome is an episode that happened.
And I think there is is what I

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am enjoying about this episode and the
thematic connections here is that I think immunity

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syndrome is indicative. It's gonna sound
like a bit, I assure you it

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is not a bit. It is
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going Star Wars. This is what
Star Wars is, and this episode of

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Star Trek is the cruit of the
Enterprise, being on the enterprise, encountering

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something unknown and trying to reckon with
what they do, with the responsibility of

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encountering a brand new life form that
is so previously unfathomable to them, and

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reckoning with the moral quandaries of how
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the right to extinguish this life?
And they have to make some hard calls.

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I have to tell you something,
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this episode. What's kind of I
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like I will get to it obviously, but I was like, it's a

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solid seven, you know what I
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because I was such a grump even
though that last one was fun, I

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don't know something about being back in
this environment that felt very like coming home.

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I was like, this is good. We got some Spock McCoy banter,

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we got more spuck. Yes,
yes, yes, it is a

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It is a solid episode of Star
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the feeling the John Meredith Lucas of
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weird reading this book. Oh you
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the bounce between the different showrunners in

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a way that I just have it
before, where the stuff is still there,

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all the all the classic Star Trek
tropes are still there, but there's

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just we're starting to cover well worn
territory already we already alluded to it,

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but the fact that this is yet
another dry run for what is basically Star

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Trek the motion picture. Yeah,
it's not like we haven't had similar episodes

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before, and there's nothing that's really
new. No, there's nothing new that's

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true except watching Spock and McCoy.
Are you over Who's going to die?

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M That's fun? Yeah, it's
it's the it's most truly the most sexual

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tension I've ever seen them have,
which is deeply important to me. I

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would say Priorities number one doesn't have
blackface number two. Is there sexual attension

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between Spot and McCoy. Now,
in my research, what is interesting because

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things get ironed out, things kind
of great taken out, and the initial

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genesis of this episode like the Bible. Yeah, exactly like the Bible.

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Hold on, let me play my
let me play my deep dive whistle.

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That's my deep dive whistle. The
original version of this episode. Obviously they're

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attacking a cell. They're addressing the
cell, the big bad, the badding

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the Enterprise is going up against a
giant amiba that is literally sucking the energy

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out of it. And then the
and the script was going to end with

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the reveal of that basically, all
wife functions as antibodies. All life in

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the Solar System, the galaxy is
functioning as antipot is. That's what the

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function of life is. That's cool. I like that. There's the idea.

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That's the yeah idea. It is
an unsettling idea to me. Yeah,

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I like that reckoning with Oh,
that's our function to fight selves that

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are invaders. That would be God. That has like a that has a

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Twilight zone feel to it, which
is cool, And that would give the

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thing some juice, yes, and
that would give it a little bit more

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Star Trek. What do we do
with this information? How do we make

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sense of this? And NBC and
I think Bob Justman, associate producer,

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were like, I guess either NBC
or Bob just Someone someone in the room

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was like, we gotta take that
out. No, it's too weird,

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boring. Could have had something,
could have been a contender. Yeah,

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whatever, and that's yeah. I
think that that is a lot more interesting

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philosophical quandary as opposed to how the
community syndrome worked, which, as you

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said, good app straightforward adventure episode
where they're investigating the unknown, trying to

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process something that they've never processed before. I love Detective Spock. I loved

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him like Detective Batman, but Detective
Spock. Imagine if spun like Batman,

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do you think, Yeah, if
Spuck we're around, like we're like we're

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around, then I mean, well, Batman would exist and he could read

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the Batman comics and watch the movies. And then what if he were like

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I'd like to partake in this exercise
of dressing up and he dressed up as

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Batman? Oh my god, wait, I'm sorry, Scott. The Spock's

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got some singers in this episode two. I also in researching for this episode.

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Listen to our first episode as well. Wow, I did a sizeable

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amount of research in this episode.
I looked at Wikipedia before. Before you

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think ill of me for doing the
barest minimum, just know I give money

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to Wikipedia. So every time got
it. Every time you go on Wikipedia

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and and they're like, please give
us money I'm doing. And they're like,

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if every game you have us three
dollars, I'm giving your share.

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So I just want you to know, thank you. I appreciate it.

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So I'm making this possible. Great
job. How were we? Were we

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funny? Yes? Yes we were? Are we still funny? Are we

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still funny? No? I think
we lost it? Anyways, So Star

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Wars, Star Wars, heard of
it, heart of it? Okay,

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suck? Yeah, Yeah. I
bought a little book called The Secret History

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of Star Wars by Michaelkaminsky. Is
it little or is it normal sized?

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It's a big book. It's so
dense. Every single page has so much

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going on, talking about where Lucas
is coming from, giving a little bit

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of a biography on Lucas. I
think it is a great snapshot while also

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being able to go pretty in deep
about the influences TLDNR George Lucas heard of

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him born in Modesto, a little
bit of a desolate place, at least

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according to my friend Aspen Webster.
Yeah, the whole part of California,

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from Stockton down to Bakersfield is no
thanks has been. I can't wait for

405
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.280
you to move to La Just you
can be obnoxious about California references. I'm

406
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:06.400
excited about that I've driven through all
of California and that part is boring and

407
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.119
has a lot of I had to
spend the weekend in Bakersfield, and honestly,

408
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.400
it was like spending a week in
Ato, Oakland. Nowkland. It's

409
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:21.039
cool. Now, It's just a
lot of cows and it's there's a lot

410
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:27.119
of poop and a lot of conservatives
banned. Uh So Lucas whenever crafting tact

411
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:32.880
queen looking for desolate imagery and basing
a lot of this upon Modestine. What

412
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:40.119
is so fascinating? Two things?
Uh, well, many things. Lucas

413
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:46.840
Lucas has daddy issues, growing spoiled. That'll go, that'll be important in

414
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:54.360
later episodes spoiler alert. But two
things. One, George Lucas loves comic

415
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:59.840
books. Does Lucas love comic books
so much that he actually owned a cop

416
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.960
bok shop in New York during the
nineteen seventies. He thinks, maybe,

417
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.679
like Flash Gordon buck Rogers, all
of these things is the art that he

418
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.599
gravitates to. That's no surprise.
What I was surprised about is that he

419
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:17.239
really valued it in high esteem.
And also had a financial investment in selling

420
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:24.599
conics. He takes the stuff very
seriously. Two, he's a student of

421
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.800
anthropology, seriously considers studying anthropology.
Whenever he's going to college, obviously goes

422
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:37.280
into filmmaking. It gets hooked up
with Francis Ford Coppola, mentor figure of

423
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.639
his. And so it's interesting whenever
you're not only talking about fathers, but

424
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:47.599
you're also talking about mentors who betray
you a little bit. What because Francis

425
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.800
and George had a falling out,
because Francis Ford Coppola has an extremely large

426
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.800
ego, But at the same time, George looked up to Francis basically like

427
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.679
a Surica father. Whatever. He
was coming up not at USC, but

428
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:10.000
after he graduated from USC basically worked
on He showed up as part of the

429
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:16.159
Warner Brothers intern program. Whenever Warner
Brothers was basically folding. Francis Ford Coppolo

430
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:21.920
was directing a Fred Astaire movie called
Finian's Rainbow. George Lucas was hanging out

431
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.079
being like, I don't know what
to do, and Francis like, what

432
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:30.440
are you doing here? And George
Lucas went, I'm supposed to be here

433
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.679
and that's what I'm doing. And
those two were the youngest people on the

434
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.039
set by far. They struck up
a friendship. Francis Ford Coppola was making

435
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.159
a filmmaking collective at San Francisco.
George Lucas went to go do that.

436
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:49.440
George Lucas was also a little bit
of a wonder kind. I want you

437
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.400
to bookmark that. Write that down. We're going to talk about that in

438
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.199
episode one. Oh my god,
Okay, write it down. Okay,

439
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:07.800
you know, Oh okay, I'm
all right. Wonder Knned, not wonder

440
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:19.360
kid, wonder wonder kind, thunder
kinned. You know, wonder Kid is

441
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:27.960
just the English translation of wonder Kid. It's actually wonderin anyways, that's me

442
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:34.039
referencing Nate from Ted Lasso. Man, you remember that, anyway? Go

443
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:39.639
on, sorry, boy, do
I remember that anyway? George Lucas is

444
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.599
involved in the San Francisco the filmmaking
scene. We've talked about in previous episodes

445
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:52.519
about George Lucas and his college films, making tone poems, non narrative pieces.

446
00:39:53.280 --> 00:40:00.960
His student film out of USC is
a highly claimed film called THHX one

447
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.559
one three for e B. He
is able to with the help of Francis

448
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.880
get that made into a feature called
THHX one one three eight, which goes

449
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:17.840
over like a sack of breaks.
Is not people like, this is pretty

450
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.559
good, but it's also a classic
first film of people being like, there's

451
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.360
some potential, but it's not that
great. Francis challenges him to make a

452
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.000
war movie. He makes freaking American
Graffiti. A masterpiece. Don't called masterpiece

453
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:38.280
a war movie for sure, a
warm movie a war movie also, although

454
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.360
at the same time, and this
is critical for the narrative for making Star

455
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:51.440
Wars, George Lucas wants to make
Apocalypse Now. Apocalypse Now is George Lucas's

456
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:54.599
film, and he wants it to
be kind of a satire on the Vietnam

457
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.599
War and so Vietnam obviously being in
the zeitgeist, but not only that,

458
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.159
very much in the forefront of Lucas's
mind going into Star Wars. Obviously,

459
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:09.000
he doesn't make Apocalypse Now. Francis
goes to make Apocalypse Now, and after

460
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:15.719
American Graffiti, Lucas is like,
you know what, me, wanted to

461
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.440
make a movie about issues kind of
went over like a sack of bricks.

462
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.199
American Graffiti did pretty well. I
think that's what the people want. They

463
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.079
want a warm movie. Can I
pause you sorry, that's real quickly you

464
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:34.679
can. Sorry, Sorry, I
didn't realize this. So so Apocalypse Now

465
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.719
was it was written by Francis Ford
Coppola. Yes. Do. When you

466
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.400
say that he wanted to make it
is like he wanted to make the film

467
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.719
or he wanted to make an adaptation
of Heart like Heart of Darkness. He

468
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.159
did not want to make an adaptation
of Heart of Darkness. Francis Ford Coppole's

469
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.840
version of Apocalypse Now is completely different. I think the only commonality is that

470
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.800
they both talked about the Vietnam War, just in radically different ways. George

471
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:02.000
Lucas's vision of Apocalypse Now is much
more cinema verity, documentary approach, satirical.

472
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:08.079
I think Doctor Strangelove got it an
imagination of all this Okay, okay,

473
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:15.639
thank you, yes, cool.
And so Lucas is going in and

474
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.920
being like, I think I want
to make just like let me bringing up

475
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:27.880
because this is key Okay, I'm
sure ready. He wants to make superheroes

476
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.360
in space for kids. Yeah,
that's it. He did it. He

477
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:36.880
did it. Fuck yeah, and
all of this stuff, all the Joseph

478
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:42.679
Campbell stuff, the Vietnam stuff,
all all of these things to pull through

479
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.199
the text in my research, is
Lucas just being like, I need a

480
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:54.440
story so I can blomp these aesthetics
onto it. Okay, And by aesthetics,

481
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.760
what are you referring to? You
referring to the themes or you're referring

482
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.880
to the aesthetics of superheroes in space. He wants rocket ships, he wants

483
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.239
cool ships, he wants superpowers,
he wants nights, all of those cool

484
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:12.559
things that he grew up with,
right, like in his comic books.

485
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.119
Yes, exactly, Okay, so
the things that make him feel excited.

486
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.599
Yeah, and so that's why he
steals the story from a hidden Fortress,

487
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.599
because he's like, this is a
story. I'll do this, and then

488
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.199
it morphs over time into something that
is not resembling Hidden Fortress. Right,

489
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.960
He steals from a whole bunch of
different sources and then synthesize and then synthesizes

490
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:42.119
it into something completely different. Yeah. Yeah, Listen, I just yelled

491
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.280
about George Lucas being a jerk face
and almost like Joe Anne, He's not,

492
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.639
but I don't know if I am
am I off and being a little

493
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:59.719
resistant to the word steal. I
think people very rightfully are like obviously like

494
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:06.320
was from this and stuff, but
like artists are adapting and being influenced all

495
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.199
the time. Yes, And if
he has synth and if he has synthesized

496
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.280
it into something new and different,
does that qualify as like I just wonder

497
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.320
sometimes we're a little bit too harsh
on him before it, you know what,

498
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.880
as I think you're correct stealing a
much more loaded word as opposed to

499
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.000
what my intention was, which is, you know, he's grabbing from a

500
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.679
whole bunch of different influences and he's
looking for something that feels right so he

501
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:38.920
can exercise the aesthetics that he wants
to play with. Is do we think

502
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.960
that based on this? And I'm
sure there's even more to it. He

503
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.880
kid, did it? Dude?
Did it like this? It's funny too,

504
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.519
this idea of you're saying, like, it's not like he's deliberately going

505
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.239
for Joseph Campbell hero's journey. But
I think, by by the way,

506
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:59.840
that's the whole fucking point of the
idea of the hero's journey or any type

507
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.239
of thing, of any type of
story, is not that anyone sets out

508
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.559
to do it. It's just that
a lot of stories end up being similar

509
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.159
in structure. Didn't at least in
my research, and I'm sure that there's

510
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.400
some other versions out there, including
from Lucas himself. He didn't even encounter

511
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.840
Joseph Campbell until the third draft of
Star Wars. He happened upon it as

512
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.360
opposed to I think what the great
man narrative of Lucas is, which is

513
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.679
he was influenced by Campbell. All
of this just came out all at once.

514
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.519
Meanwhile, you read even interviews from
Lucas around this time and he's like,

515
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.880
yeah, it's bouncing it off like
Brianda Palmer and Francis Worcoppla, John

516
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:45.199
millius A, Gloria Cassell or Hike
folks that he was just hanging around his

517
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:51.320
wife. He was constantly getting feedback. And then the reason Darth Vader looks

518
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.000
that way is because he was like, I want a guy in him.

519
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.199
Ask It's because Ralph McCrory just drew
it that way. Yeah, and then

520
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.079
Lucas was like, that's cool.
And then the backstory Darth Vader happened the

521
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.679
way that it did. I mean
that sounds like the most exciting form of

522
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.960
storytelling. Yes, to take what
are the things that are exciting for you?

523
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:17.440
And they it excites you and propels
you, and then you work with

524
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:22.280
your friends and other people to create
the kind of visuals and story you want.

525
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.760
That to me sounds like a dream. I don't fault that by any

526
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.760
means. And then, oh no, there's more. Also, I just

527
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:37.639
have this image of George Lucas being
like me, a great man. Well

528
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:44.320
we cut to ninety seven. Oh, and the marketing for this is George

529
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:50.639
Lucas finally realizing his vision of how
he always wanted Star Wars to be Kill

530
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:57.320
me, and it's it's a portrait
of a man in two very different parts

531
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.559
of his life, where the seventy
seven verse is being like I did Star

532
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:07.800
Wars's Superheroes for kids, Superheroes in
Space for kids, Yeah, which is

533
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:15.920
what makes me cry. Yeah.
In this the special edition is functioning essentially

534
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:21.440
as marketing for the new movies that
he's doing yep, right, capitalizing also

535
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.639
on the twenty year nostalgia cycle.
It wasn't it too like proof of concept?

536
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.039
It's like, yeah, we can
do this, We're about to do

537
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.280
this, and look how cool and
interesting and new, and like these special

538
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.039
effects are going to be great.
This is what you're gonna see when it

539
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:40.840
comes out exactly. Yes, it's
Lucas playing in a familiar sandbox, exercising

540
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:50.039
with these toys, because he starts
writing episode one in ninety four, actually

541
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.159
sitting down to write it in ninety
four, Wow, nineteen ninety four,

542
00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:00.320
and then he had done the Young
Indiana Jones chronicles, had started playing with

543
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:07.800
CG in that regard creating just getting
his hands on it and creating a framework

544
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.159
for him to be able to use
it. And then he uses this on

545
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.480
the Special Edition, which is essentially
a dry run on all of those things

546
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.000
that you said asmen, as well
as just testing the waters of what the

547
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.800
interest is in Star Wars. Do
people still like this? Do people still

548
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:34.119
care? Yeah? Between between between
eighty three and ninety seven, Star Wars

549
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.199
was kind of in a dead zone, even though we had Ewoks and droids.

550
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:45.320
I'm even though we had ewalks and
Droids which everybody watched sematically and keeping

551
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.480
with the repiloting of our podcast,
so too was George Lewis's kind of repiloting

552
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.559
what Star Wars is and kind of
being like, this is what Star Wars

553
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.800
is remember the trilogy, ignore all
of the other stuff. We're starting from

554
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:05.159
scratch. I mean, ah,
to use myself as an example, my

555
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:12.519
father, who obviously adored Star Wars
like he he like the fact that he

556
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.079
did not show it to me as
a child, I think is actually indicative

557
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:21.360
of it dropping off in popularity.
Yeah, and needing to be reignited,

558
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:29.360
because it just like again when it
came back like he like he he's one,

559
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:30.480
as I've said before, he's the
one that took me to see Phantom

560
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:36.199
Menaci. He was pumped, like
it was like something had happened, right,

561
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.840
and then I became rabid. I
take a freaking marketing push that it's

562
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.719
started. They tested the waters with
Air to the Empire in ninety one,

563
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:51.719
just kind of as an exercise from
lucasfilm, being like, is Star Wars

564
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.920
still cool? That movie zips up
to number one on the New York Times

565
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.320
Bestseller They're like, oh, there's
still a market at the lead. They

566
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:04.960
push out new action figures in ninety
five ninety six. Those sell like hotcakes.

567
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.760
Shadows of the Empire happens in ninety
six kind of as a dry run

568
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:15.559
for how do we market a Star
Wars movie and is there excitement, Shadows

569
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:21.000
of the Empire performs like Gangbusters.
It's everything except for the movie and then

570
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:25.079
freaking the special editions come out and
it's just more of that stuff. Again,

571
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:29.440
all of this has been building up
to episode one. It feeds up

572
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:35.320
into the hype and the fervor that
we get into in May of ninety nine.

573
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:44.719
Yeah right, which was me,
yeah, losing my mind. Yeah,

574
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:50.079
well that was a true true tale
that you wove that I can only

575
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.440
assume you also got from a paragraph
on Wikipedia. Oh yeah, I can

576
00:50:53.440 --> 00:51:05.199
send you the paragraph. I it's
it is so hearing those people who are

577
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.760
genuinely obviously that's just like, uh, you know, the people that they

578
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.320
picked out. But I could imagine
that seeing it, like you said,

579
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:15.719
like in on big screens again with
new stuff added, it was like an

580
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:22.800
absolute wild experience, Like even if
it was sort of intolerable, and again,

581
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.920
it wasn't intolerable at the time,
right, Well, it's just being

582
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:31.079
intolerable over time because we were like, we can't get the original classic flavor

583
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:36.679
and then not only that, but
then uh, the freaking not to just

584
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.880
comment to you this discussion, but
I find it so fascinated because this is

585
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.920
where I love to talk about the
green Man narratives, especially in juxtapositions with

586
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:49.760
Gene Roddenberry and Lucas as well.
It's not like seeing like great man great

587
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.760
man narratives. It's not like the
same. It's faults being like uh in

588
00:51:54.880 --> 00:52:00.400
the fabulous Jesse Gender video about the
Decaying Monomath in regards to Star Wars and

589
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.880
pulls up a specific example of talking
about George Lucas as a fabulous editor,

590
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:12.039
which he is, or rather he
was, and also in that the same

591
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.599
piece, it kind of eradicates the
contribution of the three editors that won Oscars

592
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:24.079
for Star Wars. And I always
heard recentering it about the sole author of

593
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.639
all of this is George Lucas.
It's not the contributions of all these other

594
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.639
people helping to synthesize, because Lucas
was just like I just want to play.

595
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:36.440
That's it. I always heard by
the way that it was his ex

596
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:40.320
wife who was like that, Like
that became the strong narrative at least,

597
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.239
that it was his ex wife as
editor of Star Wars. That helps to

598
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:50.039
make it so strong and cohesive.
Yeah. Absolutely, But b I guess

599
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.679
a lot of people, aren't that
That is not the broader narrative. Maybe

600
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:59.719
to most people, it's like this
thing is solely a Lucas vehicle, and

601
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:01.400
he been an empire, you know, and so on, where he's like

602
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:06.760
not directing it, it's still the
Lucas vehicle. It came all of this

603
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.920
the trilogy, which was directed by
two different directors as well, Urban Kurshner

604
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.440
and Richard mark One. But all
of this came fully formed from George Lucas.

605
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.199
It just like Athena from Zeus's head. And you freaking hear this about

606
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.880
the sequel trilogy criticisms being like,
I wish that one person was in charge

607
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.000
of that all of this. That's
not how it works. Yeah, but

608
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:36.079
what if it happened Ryan Johnson.
Yeah, he's so good. It's so

609
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.039
good. No, but it would
be so good because Ryan Johnson recognizes the

610
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:44.199
contributions of everybody, especially his actors
and other people that are part of that

611
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:49.679
creative process. But it's neither here
nor there. Ye, well, that's

612
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:55.679
boring. I hate it. George
Lucas has become the mono myth. He

613
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.480
is the myth. As you really
watch the five and a half hour the

614
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:07.039
Jesse Gender decame on a myth video
because not only just because Jesse Earl is

615
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:13.440
a fabulous YouTuber, but also it's
just really well executed piece of criticism.

616
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:15.960
Okay, okay, let me get
my brain together here for your weekend.

617
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:23.840
Let me just let me just think
about this, all right. Maybe I'm

618
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.960
going to get away from George Lucas
for a touch. This is all obviously

619
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:32.840
about him, but it's all always
about him. But I actually do,

620
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:38.440
genuinely think that some of the biggest, biggest additions to this film as a

621
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:43.760
film and the remastered version are bad. Yes, they are bad, and

622
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.599
it's not just because people couldn't get
their hands on the original. They're bad.

623
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:52.840
The addition of like the changing of
the Hon Grido scene is absolutely unnecessary.

624
00:54:53.320 --> 00:55:00.679
Uh, it is masturbatory, like
ridiculous. Uh. The han the

625
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:07.199
han Java scene is absolutely absurd,
no reason for it to be there by

626
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:14.039
any means. It. Maybe it's
just because I've seen this seen the original

627
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.760
version now so many more times than
the special editions, but that han Java

628
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:25.119
scene, it feels like the film
just comes to a stop because it's it's

629
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.760
literally he is saying literal lines that
he had just said to Grido, Yeah,

630
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.639
so what are you doing here?
There's a reason why editing exists,

631
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.000
Like, no, absolutely not,
We're done, And like we already mentioned,

632
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:44.719
it just takes away from all the
wonder of the reveal of Millennium Falcon

633
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:50.960
and then the later reveal of Java
and then you see then you've seen George

634
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.480
Lucas's kind of new directing style,
which is shoving stuff in the frame.

635
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.559
Yeah, so then he starts,
Yeah, he starts just filling the frame

636
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:06.519
with different creatures, different things happening, which on a certain level I was

637
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.360
a little like like they're most islely
and a part of me was like I

638
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:13.079
can actually see what you are going
for here, which is to say,

639
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.880
this is a bustling spaceport. There
are lots of people, There are lots

640
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.840
of uh like aliens, there are
lots of creatures. I don't hate it

641
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.119
when I kind of see it from
that perspective. I hate the weird,

642
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.480
like bad physical comedy of things,
the goofy shit that's like inserted in that

643
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:37.920
feels very out of place with like
the tone of the thing, just the

644
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:43.199
yeah, the replacement of certain like
there replaces like the wolf Man and the

645
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.639
canteena scene and that's fine, it's
whatever. It just feels a little like

646
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.239
that's okay. So well, yeah, there are a whole bunch of those

647
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.840
invisible changes who are which are just
in there, and you're just like eah.

648
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.480
But then there's like flying robots inserted
and things, which just clearly steals

649
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:01.000
my focus from what I should be, right, it steals your focus.

650
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:05.320
There's a real purpose. I'm like, what, like in the original like

651
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.360
filming of it, I can only
assume it's like where you want your eye

652
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.199
to go right, And so I
maybe in the same sentence, are in

653
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.679
the same rant. I'm going to
say both. I think it's fine,

654
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.239
and also it's annoying for me because
it's like it does feel as though someone

655
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.199
had a really beautiful picture that they
drew and you were like, great,

656
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.679
I love that it's done, and
then they were like, wait a second,

657
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:34.239
I've got a Lisa Frank sticker set
and they just put stickers all over

658
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.800
the beautiful painting that they just did, and you're like, okay, oh

659
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.280
boy, not the Lisa Frank is
bad. It's just different, you know

660
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:51.280
what I mean. So, but
at the same time, at the same

661
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:58.719
time, what you just put in
the chat Mona Lisa Frank Earlier, you

662
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.920
put Spice felt adition because I was
talking about the Spice Girls. There you

663
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.119
go, uh yeah, uh.
The other pieces are but then there are

664
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.519
elements that I well, there's the
one primary. Well, they're like the

665
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.039
small changes that I do think are
better. I do love the addition of

666
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:21.199
the big scene. It does give
like more kind of it gives more like

667
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.760
it's nice, It's okay that it's
there. I like it. I like

668
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:30.719
any kind of thing that bolsters the
journey of Luke, that this is a

669
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:36.000
person like other people that were his
friends had similar goals and look at what

670
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.119
lick where they are and then he
fucking dies and it sucks, you know,

671
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.599
Nike's a little bit more devastating to
see like it. Actually, I

672
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.440
wonder if it made me cry a
little bit more because I was thinking,

673
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:52.000
here are all these people putting their
lives on the line, and just how

674
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:58.280
desperate and terrifying it was, and
so few came back. The only ones

675
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.880
that come back or Wedge and Luke
what sorry if like a counter? If

676
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.920
like a counter? Oh oh yeah. Rogue one is the first Star Wars

677
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:12.000
movie that feels like a war movie, though, Oh my god, you're

678
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.679
so right. What I like about
Rogue one is that it feels like a

679
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.519
war movie, you know. I
What I really love about it is that

680
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.360
like you realize, like everyone's gonna
die, because like that's just like what

681
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:30.280
happens, you know, in war. Freaking like that, Darth fingers finally

682
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.079
a badass, like finally, like
he was never scary before, and they

683
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.760
like let him be scary. Also, the only Star Wars movie that I've

684
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:44.480
seen was the theatrical Clone Wars movie, so I've never actually seen Darth Vader

685
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:51.280
before, but like, finally,
it's a badass. Totally a bad ass.

686
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.599
I didn't see him choke anyone in
Empire Strikes Back, or he's so

687
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.000
scary and he's so scary in a
New Hope or freaking cut off his son's

688
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.079
hands. Oh my god, he's
scary and all of them, Oh my

689
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:07.559
god. Fuck that. Yeah.
Anyway, Sorry, just ramble, ramble.

690
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.400
But there are some things that I
think are wonderful, some things that

691
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:17.440
are unnecessary, you know, almost, but I think the wonderful feels a

692
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.679
touch like a broken clock situation being
right twice a day, versus it actually

693
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:28.400
like being for any good. So, yeah, that's my take. And

694
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:35.760
then there also exists to go off
on a short tangent, the Star Wars

695
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:42.159
Revisited project by I believe his name
is Adiwan that exists, which takes the

696
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:47.239
intent of special Edition and super charges
it by fixing every continuity error, adding

697
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:52.920
little easter eggs in that don't steal
from the focus, but like make the

698
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:58.239
saga coke here, like inserts like
battle joys in the junk in like the

699
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:04.920
Jahwa junk thing. Yeah, that's
fun and I like that, and it's

700
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:08.480
just like, how and how do
we try and make this George Lucas's grander

701
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:16.400
vision, Yeah, without kind of
destroying what makes Star Wars special. And

702
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:21.800
that's fun because it's a little fan
project. Yeah, and also the cultural

703
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:28.679
obligation because Star Wars is such a
transformative piece of art completely changes the film

704
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:35.920
industry. And it's weird that you
can't exist you you can't acquire that version

705
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:46.360
legally. Oh I got so mad
again. Fuck that. I just think

706
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:54.599
that's so irresponsible. Would you think
that that is bad? No, He's

707
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:01.880
squeezing my heart and squeeze it back. I'm so mad, Like where does

708
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:07.719
it get off? It's well,
it's speaking of it's speaking of, Yeah,

709
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.239
you are the myth. It's fucking
power and control. It is control.

710
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:16.880
It's control over the process of and
the uh what the experience of this

711
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.440
thing. And these are the moments
that I start to like teeter more into

712
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:30.159
like conversations around death of the author, which which of course is like the

713
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.639
idea that once you've put art or
work into the world like it kind of

714
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.719
now it belongs to the consumers of
that I mean not legally, but like

715
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:44.679
in terms of the way that it
is interpreted or taken in right that in

716
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:50.039
my best example I always use is
besides Harry Potter, U, the best

717
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.880
example I always use of this is
actually from Fleabag, where in season two,

718
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:59.039
where the hot priest can see where
she's breaking the fourth wall and talking

719
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:04.519
to the audience. And I interpret
that specifically personally to me as moments of

720
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.719
her trying to dissociate and him capturing
her and bringing her back. But Phoebe

721
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:14.639
waller Bridge met that very deliberately as
a he's closer to God moment, and

722
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.559
I am like, thank you for
your contribution. That's not how I took

723
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:22.840
that, aspen. I have to
stay, uh huh. You told the

724
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.440
exact same story in our first episode. Are you joking me? Oh?

725
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:32.079
No, God, well that was
like a billion years ago. Sorry,

726
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:39.920
I can only say aspen, Oh
my god, it's like poetry. I'm

727
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:45.559
gonna die. God, I can't
believe it. I can't believe. Well,

728
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:52.000
you're welcome, everybody, welcome to
our rebrand. Okay, I'm going

729
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.360
to engage with it. But yeah, we are back to it. We

730
01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:01.079
are back to He doesn't get but
like, he just doesn't get to do

731
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:06.960
this, you know, like you
don't get to dictate the experience people have

732
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:12.639
of work, especially when it wasn't
just you. It's not just your vision.

733
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.920
So it's thirty years later, So
let's talk about another twenty years later.

734
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.880
Let's talk about another science fiction property
that added a whole bunch of computer

735
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:29.440
graphics too. It's original product Star
Trek. Yeah. Actually, that's a

736
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:30.880
really good point because I was thinking
about that as I was watching. I

737
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:36.119
was like, I'm watching remastered versions
of this. I'm curious what the original

738
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:42.079
looks like. But the difference is
uh huh. Yeah. You could go

739
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.360
buy the original versions, right,
you can go buy them on Blu Ray

740
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.960
and you can also buy them on
like Prime Video, right, you can

741
01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:56.000
go buy the original versions because they
are treating that as voluntary engagement. It

742
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:04.320
also helps that the Star Trek Special
Editions came after George Lucas remastered, sorry,

743
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:12.719
re edited. Remastering is different.
He recut the Star Wars trilogy,

744
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.880
it added other things. Remastering is
a different projects where you're trying to make.

745
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:23.440
You are trying to enhance what is
already there and kind of bring it

746
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:32.360
into your literally fixing film elements.
You're fixing things like film scratches or actual

747
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:38.760
maladies that are in the film.
Yes, which I guess technically is what

748
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.159
they're doing on like the two thousand
and four remaster, right and stuff,

749
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:49.320
And not only that for the Star
Trek Special Editions. The kind of the

750
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:55.159
dictum from on High, if I'm
using the term dictum correctly, is let's

751
01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:00.519
try and stick to what was there
originally. What's not make anything too fancy.

752
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:06.400
We're gonna just try and stay true
to what was there, right,

753
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.400
And so like they pretty much do. Every once in a great well,

754
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:17.079
they'll throw something in that's a little
cool easter egg or fix something that is

755
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:21.639
literally a fix that's been in the
product for at that point forty plus years,

756
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:27.599
and so they're like in the Naked
Time at one point, Scotty's firing

757
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:31.880
a phaser at a wall to try
and get into a door. But you

758
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:38.000
don't see the phaser beam. They
put that in there. They put k

759
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:43.119
on the blu ray. You can
go back to the version that doesn't have

760
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:50.079
the phaser beam, right. You
get to decide what your experiences because Megalomaniac

761
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:55.039
didn't rob you of it legally.
Yeah, wow, I'm so mad.

762
01:06:55.480 --> 01:07:00.159
Although Jean Rottenberry engages in great manisms
as well, especially next Generation, which

763
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:05.079
we'll get to in many years.
Kenny, let's stop for a second.

764
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:12.800
I don't give a shit about these
old white men. I don't give a

765
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:17.119
shit about them. Like, I'm
so glad you created like this great stuff

766
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:23.639
that I'm engaging with, and also
other creators too are as well. And

767
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.000
it always comes back to the thing
where it's like, well it's people.

768
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.440
I mean I say this as a
huge Star Wars and Star Trek fan,

769
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.519
I'm like, this is great.
And also you're not fucking gods like and

770
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:39.199
there are plenty of people that were
not white men that have given the chance,

771
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:44.119
did create things or could have created
things like if it weren't for your

772
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.679
status in the world, and that's
fine, and I can also love and

773
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:54.360
appreciate the things that were created.
But I guess this like idea of pedal

774
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:59.199
pedestaling and lionizing these people or them
doing it in their own heads because they

775
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:03.559
get rich and old and lonely.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why

776
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:09.880
as opposed to another fabulous podcast that
is the similar premise Trekking Through Time and

777
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:15.639
Space, which is Star Trek Versus
Doctor Who by a friend of the show,

778
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:20.119
Jacob Paul and Why Trent Boy.
What is interesting to be about Star

779
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:24.800
Trek Versus Star Wars is that both
these science fiction properties make the claim that

780
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:30.760
these basically sprang fully formed from one
head Geene roddenby George Lucas. Meanwhile,

781
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:36.199
you look at five memos that were
sent out from the time and you realize

782
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:42.439
it takes a village on the immunity
syndrome. Rodden Berry didn't write it,

783
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.479
he didn't direct it. He might
have given a couple notes. Dude was

784
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:49.920
busy trying to get other projects going, and he was just like Star Trek

785
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:57.119
is a project at this point in
time, and also much like Lucas synthesizing

786
01:08:57.199 --> 01:09:01.680
his own life experiences and synthesizing things
that he liked at the time to create

787
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:08.920
something. And that's he wanted to
just see some aesthetics, right, And

788
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:14.479
that is okay when we get into
the problem where you are then reshaping your

789
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:20.000
own narrative as opposed to what is
even more beautiful about the creative process of

790
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:27.640
being like it takes a village,
especially filmmaking filmmakers, for the amount of

791
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:34.520
time that we as consumers process this
stuff. It is not fair the amount

792
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:41.119
of work that goes into it,
so much blood sweat and tears, actual

793
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:45.720
blood sweat and tears. Yes,
people will literally put their lives on the

794
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:53.760
line, marriages, relationships, and
because these people are having to work at

795
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:58.600
least twelve hours a day, five
days a week hopefully, if not,

796
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:04.159
like Kate mulgrew talks about when filming
Star Trek Boys or she's doing fourteen sixteen

797
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:10.079
hour days, five days a week
for seven years. Oh no thanks,

798
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:15.920
And then to have the gall to
be like, yeah, this came fully

799
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:19.560
formed from me, This isn't me. That's what have happened without me.

800
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:27.199
Get out of here, absolutely,
get out of here. Have the humility

801
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.439
to say I was in the right
place at the right time. I had

802
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.399
some good ideas, and then be
quick to give credit where it's due.

803
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:41.880
It's not an invalidation of your value. Because, make no mistakes, Lucas

804
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:48.760
did did the work. Star Wars
is his hands down. Yeah, Star

805
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:59.279
Wars rules. And also he had
so much help. That's right. This

806
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:04.439
is an analogy for successful people in
the United States. They're like yeah,

807
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:11.359
or people who own homes, like
I bought my house. How'd you do

808
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.520
it? Oh, my parents gave
me some money. That's you, George

809
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:21.279
Lucas. Wow, I didn't think
this would make me mad. Because also,

810
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:26.600
make no mistake, I started watching
this Star Wars the other night,

811
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:30.359
and I went, oh, gay, I love Star Wars. That I

812
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.640
texted your Star Wars is so good. You mean Star Wars episode four a

813
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:38.039
New Hope, which is yeah,
Star's episode for a New Hope. Because

814
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:43.119
you were texted me this re editing. It wasn't it didn't even start aspen

815
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.600
Yeah, literally in the theaters.
Lucas was already changing this stuff back in

816
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:51.199
ninety seven. Well, you listened
to the If you watch the movie in

817
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:57.840
mono versus watching the movie in stereo. An Breu's lines were completely dubbed by

818
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:02.640
a different actress. What yeah,
man, I do remember reading something about

819
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:08.039
they like changed it so that she
sounded more worried when she said, yeah,

820
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:12.000
it's got too much of his father
and him. Yeah yeah, like

821
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:16.800
well right, well from a certain
point of view. So okay, I

822
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.520
am going to so just because this
is this is very essential, and I

823
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:28.000
wonder the work that he says ism
clunky cunky, thank you. That was

824
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:34.039
my question, Well is being said
thank you so much? Here's my biggest

825
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:39.159
kid. I watched the original special
editions. You can't watch the ninety seven

826
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.920
special editions, right, That's what
I was. That's another thing I was

827
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:43.720
like as I was like, oh, we can't even get our hands on

828
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:47.600
like ninety seven, I guess unless
we were to find an old like VHS

829
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.159
or DVD, right, like,
oh the DVD, no, because probably

830
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:55.920
at that point it was already like
that's more for special edition, which is

831
01:12:56.399 --> 01:13:00.680
out of here, get out of
here. I just don't like this again.

832
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:06.720
I don't like the idea of just
media being constantly changed and the older

833
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:15.199
versions being disappeared. Media is going
to constantly change because with every with every

834
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.640
release, with every iteration, unfortunately, there are going to be some changes

835
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:24.239
that are introduced into it. Slightly
different framings, slightly different audio mixing.

836
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:30.159
It's just going to happen. I
want to get you to but we should

837
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:34.319
be able to have access to the
different versions. Hopefully you have something that

838
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:42.520
is trying to emulate the original version
as it was seen by audiences whenever it

839
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:51.359
made an impact. Right. This
reminds me so much of how like bear

840
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:58.359
with me here, like supermarkets or
other companies, like, I'm so excited

841
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.399
to see how this connects. You
know, they just throw out food,

842
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.000
right, like perfectly good food,
or how other companies. It's like I

843
01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:12.279
was reading a thread about things going
down to like a penny and employee being

844
01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:14.880
like, oh, I could take
this in like the you know, I

845
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.720
you know, buy them or whatever, and the manager being like, no,

846
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:24.439
these need to be destroyed because under
capitalism you destroy these things like they

847
01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.399
can't be reused, they can't be
up cycled, they can't be given away.

848
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:30.279
Obviously with food and stuff, there's
something specific to that, but it's

849
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:35.760
all under this capitalist structure of actual
destruction of goods. And this is the

850
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:42.359
same as getting the tax break for
like the new like Looney Tunes movie or

851
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:45.479
Batwoman, right, like, these
are all that's what it was, right,

852
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:51.119
Yeah, these are backgirl, thank
you the Coyote versus the Latest Victim.

853
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.840
Right. It seems that studios wanted
to purchase that movie, but Warner

854
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:00.720
Brothers just seemed bent. There was
videos that main offers and Warner Brothers was

855
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.560
just like, nah, they'll destroyed
anyways. Destruction. So it's literally destroyed

856
01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:09.399
for the tax right off, and
which, by the way, that then

857
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.880
means we're funding it, so fuck
you. But like the like under a

858
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:17.720
late stage capitalistic structure, any kind
of capitalistic structure, this is destruction of

859
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:25.520
the goods is actually more profitable than
the distribution of them, like and that

860
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:31.760
just feels like what we're talking about
here and is it's the destruction of the

861
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:39.520
work of a whole bunch of different
people by claiming soul ownership, thereby invalidating

862
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:46.239
their work. Because whenever someone watches
the movie, whenever normal folks watching Empire

863
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.279
Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, they'll be like George Lucas directed it

864
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:57.319
so good, I feel like I
feel so enraged right now and This is

865
01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:02.239
the pivot from George Lucas, the
artistic stick filmmaker, the experimental filmmaker who

866
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:09.560
is making abstract stuff, to the
businessman that he became. Oh, this

867
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:12.720
is making me. I've got so
much. I was trying to rank Star

868
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.520
Wars because you made me, and
I was thinking about how I have so

869
01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:18.119
much affection for the prequels. And
we're going to talk about that on Patreon

870
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:23.199
dot com, slash trek Wars pod. Okay, in the in the pre

871
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:26.119
show chat, you'd sign up five
dollars a month. But anyways, George

872
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:33.520
Lucas being a business man is so
foul foul. I agree. That's why

873
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:39.319
I said it. That's why I
repeated it is foul. It's smelly,

874
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:45.279
it's bad. Okay, I'm gonna
calm myself down here. I'm gonna call

875
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:50.319
myself down by finding another similarity between
the immunity syndrome and Star Wars, which

876
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:57.079
is at the very beginning of the
immunity syndrome, Spock suddenly is like and

877
01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:02.159
then he basically is like I wrote
down. I wrote down an altered quote,

878
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:06.319
which is it was if millions of
Vulcans suddenly cried out in terror were

879
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:13.680
suddenly silenced, trying trying to save
a planet from a super from a super

880
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:17.000
weapon. One is a mechanical super
weapon. One is an organic super weapon.

881
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:26.199
And whereas the scrappy underdog rebels that
are fighting a mechanical moon, uh,

882
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.760
they're kind of being emblematic of as
Lucas intended at the Vietcong against the

883
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:35.840
United States. Right. And then
it is in Star Trek it is the

884
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:45.279
mechanical that is trying to dominate the
organic. Wow. Trying to like so

885
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.479
much of Star Trek, a little
bit of the manifest destiny of we are

886
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:56.960
frontiersmen. We are trying to conquer
the frontier and make it ours. You

887
01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:59.800
know, I never you were earlier
you were saying there was going to be

888
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:04.159
this interesting idea of like we are
anti matter or like antibodies, rather we

889
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:10.680
are antibodies. Oh yes, I
wrote down what Kirk said, Yes,

890
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:16.960
an die bodies. Can I see
how you wrote it? Can I see

891
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:25.000
the spelling and the spacing, andie
you wrote this is a bottle episode.

892
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:30.800
Great it is, except for it, Yeah, you do see the shuttle

893
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:36.199
the Lazarus, except that the shuttle
pre existing asset. Yep, It's true.

894
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:42.840
It was like it had already been
like those shots were reused. So

895
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:46.720
but I actually maybe I stopped paying
attention or something, or I missed it.

896
01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:51.159
But it didn't seem like there was
much struggle or it wasn't like as

897
01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:54.920
soon as they found out that it
was a living creature and would reproduce,

898
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:59.800
they weren't like, what does it
mean to destroy this living thing? Like

899
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.439
they immediately were just like, we
have to destroy this before our reproduces because

900
01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:05.399
it's going to literally kill us all, which I respect, I respect.

901
01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:13.479
Listen, it's already killed all shit
ton of people in vulcans. But it

902
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.560
didn't feel like there was any struggle
in the idea of what kind of life

903
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:23.199
is if there is like a more
meaningful right to life and living of that,

904
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.840
you know then for us even not
particularly so much as kind of alluding

905
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:33.760
to what the script originally was about, which is anti bodies and kind of

906
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:39.479
instead of the existential dread of finding
out that the purpose of human existence is

907
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:45.399
to function as antibodies for the galaxy, so cool, instead you get the

908
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:49.760
fun idea of, hey, we
could be any bodies. Now, look

909
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:57.439
at us breaking through membranes, blowing
shit up. Yeah, real heroes.

910
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:01.640
You know, one point, Kirkslitt
says, this is some good Star Trek

911
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:08.319
shit, which that was unnecessarily meta. Yeah, but you know, sometimes

912
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.680
you got to break that fourth wall. I think that's really interesting storytelling.

913
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:17.279
I'm so excited for you to watch
Star Trek first contact I and I and

914
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:21.720
I just didn't. I liked it. I don't. I don't dislike it.

915
01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:26.359
It is definitely one of those where
like interesting ideas get thrown out there,

916
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:30.119
but never like deepened. Like but
if we were to carry this theme

917
01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:38.520
along that you were going with,
which is like Star Wars scrappy rebels against

918
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:45.560
great mechanized oppressive power. Like just
throwing it out there once again, that

919
01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:49.520
the Federation. It's not like it's
just some nice little thing. It is

920
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:57.479
a militaristic, hierarchical power and it
does decide that it has authority over other

921
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:03.520
beings despite its stated Oh yeah,
and I just do want to put it

922
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:09.199
out there. Absolutely, I agree. I hold my hand up there.

923
01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:15.319
This is a form of military propaganda, hands down. By portraying this clearly

924
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.199
United States analog, the color schemes
are very US. Instead of red,

925
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:25.880
white and blue, it's red,
yellow, and blue, but it also

926
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:30.640
then has a moment where that has
one of the best exchanges I've seen,

927
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:32.720
and by best, I mean I
was deeply confused by it and had to

928
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.399
go back through and try to like
figure out what it was saying. And

929
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:40.159
then I was like, Joe'll explain
what was happening in the scene, which

930
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:54.680
was the exchange between who my sweet
partner, which where Spock and McCoy are

931
01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.880
talking, and he's He's just like, well, how could you, like

932
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:02.960
Billick Spack, how could you feel
the death of like so many vulcans?

933
01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:09.319
Four hundred vulcans? Right? And
it becomes this conversation that ultimately boils down

934
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:15.520
to human beings are far more concerned
with the death of like an individual than

935
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:21.760
like the statistical deaths of many chilling
and if perhaps and like he says,

936
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:25.560
like soft for the death of thy
neighbor, like would you actually like would

937
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.600
you like expect us to do that? It's just like, well, maybe

938
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:34.039
if you actually did feel the pain
of so many people dying, there would

939
01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:40.239
have been less bloodshed in your history. And I find that to be Once

940
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.680
I figured it out what the fuck
he was saying, I thought it was

941
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:45.159
badly it was like a weirdly confusingly
written scene just throwing that out there too.

942
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.239
As soon as I realized what that
exchange was about, I was like,

943
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:51.840
ah ah ah, that could be
an interesting theme, right, and

944
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.039
but once again there like it doesn't
quite like follow through on it this.

945
01:22:56.199 --> 01:23:00.800
I like, there isn't a sort
of like struggle of well human beings are

946
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.720
as again and we're still perpetuating this
as militaristic structure of like, well,

947
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:09.680
we do get to decide who,
like the Great Many die or something,

948
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:15.399
and we get to do it with
impunity despite this being another living creature for

949
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.000
instance. I also think Star Trek
will be making more allusions to that kind

950
01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:24.359
of morality the further that we get
into the original series, because rutten Berry

951
01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:30.079
just keeps taking more steps backwards and
other showrunners come in and being like,

952
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:34.359
what is Star Trek again? Oh? Fun, Yeah, I mean it

953
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:40.279
could have been. It was just
a very interesting, thoughtful thing thrown down

954
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:45.399
at the top of an episode,
and it's followed through as in Spock making

955
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:50.840
a sacrifice which they are devastated over, but he sees as the needs of

956
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:55.239
the many outweigh the needs of the
few. Now he doesn't say that explicitly.

957
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.680
That's clearly what he is going for. So he's fulfilling his own personal

958
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:02.720
belief system. But like in terms
of a thematic piece for the entire episode,

959
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:06.600
perhaps not so. Yeah, I
don't really find this episode of Star

960
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:12.199
Trek to be that thematically rich and
trying to make a big honkin statement so

961
01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.600
much as Again, so I established
at the beginning of this episode that we're

962
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:21.479
recording our repilot. We're doing it, God damn it, the or a

963
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:28.920
special edition as it were. Yes, it is. Immunity syndrome is just

964
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:35.600
indicative of what a Star Trek episode, yeah is Yeah, mechanically right,

965
01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:41.680
not a knough it's just not a
knock what it is. It's just what

966
01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:46.560
it is. And that's all just
the powerful image of the big honkin enterprise

967
01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.119
coming up against a cell. And
it's one of those images where I'm just

968
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:56.960
like, Star Trek can do anything. Yeah, I mean it's yeah.

969
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:01.479
Wait, can I ask you was
it ever explained what the uh like zone

970
01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:08.079
of darkness was? What did they
call it? Zone of darkness? Mm?

971
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:10.880
They never say what it is.
They're like, well, it doesn't

972
01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.680
actually have to do with this like
cell. And then they just never explained

973
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:18.760
the zono doc. I don't just
stealing energy. I don't know. Maybe

974
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:21.199
that's what it is, is that
it's like, yeah, this like cell

975
01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:26.439
is it's it's literally absorbing so much
energy that it's absorbing the space around it.

976
01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:30.840
I guess maybe that's its implication.
Whatever, Okay, I don't want

977
01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:34.199
anything else from you. I never
ask anything of you. I will never

978
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:39.079
ask anything of you after again.
Hey, hey, but you know what

979
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:42.439
I will ask of you? Ask
when are you teeing me up? Or

980
01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:45.760
something? I will ask of you, are you teaing me up? Something?

981
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:55.000
Fuck? I will ask you what
do you ship? M h A

982
01:25:55.079 --> 01:26:00.399
long time ago start date? This
week, I quoted a boat, I

983
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:04.600
dated a game, but none of
them could warp my drive into high berth

984
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:16.399
space. The best of both worlds
kept me in the second place. Captain

985
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:23.439
slog on a Holla kron. I
wanted a song. I penned a song

986
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:33.560
seventeen more minutes abviise in Super High
dev A both the USS Enterprise DT.

987
01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:42.760
Don't you take my e walk lighter
and clip it? Don't you take my

988
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:47.000
wretchard buddy and nip it? If
you spill the tea I'm gonna sip it

989
01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:53.279
my starship It what a good song. Thank you so much, Jolty partner

990
01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:56.720
for the I starship a song.
What is this part of the show?

991
01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.039
Best part of the show, best, best, best, We're gonna buy

992
01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:03.039
some What is this part of the
show. It's the best part of the

993
01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:09.000
show. This is the show.
The last hour and a half has been

994
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:13.560
leading up to this moment. That's
right. It's where we're going to say

995
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.439
our favorite starships, which we can
in this doesn't necessarily have to be vehicles,

996
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:19.920
though it can be a vehicle if
you like. And our best romantic

997
01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:25.800
ships. I am pomped, I
have I have, I have mine.

998
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:29.079
I think I definitely have my my
ship ships. Oh I got mine too,

999
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:31.760
my romantic ships. But yeah,
okay, you start, you start,

1000
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:34.720
what's your favorite? Let's start with
the ship this time. I talked

1001
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:40.439
about this earlier in the episode.
I'm back around. Yeah, it is

1002
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:43.279
just to prove that I'm a Star
Wars man. I'm picking the Outrider,

1003
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:48.279
Baby, the Outrider. The Outrider
dash rendarship from Shadows of the Empire makes

1004
01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:54.399
an official appearance in the Star Wars
Special Edition. Whenever it's flying over Massie

1005
01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:59.800
Lee Outrider, which is basically the
Kmart version of the Millennium Falcon, the

1006
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.439
one that your mom says, we
have the Millennium Falcon at home, will

1007
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.640
too is the Outwriter. Now.
I got to mention it because for real

1008
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:14.680
Star Wars fans, Yeah, dash
Rendarship had a sweet toy that I really

1009
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.920
wanted, and instead my parents just
bought me every other toy. Uh where

1010
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:25.199
it's it's the cockpit is I mean, it's a classic Millennium Falcon configuration,

1011
01:28:25.319 --> 01:28:28.840
but instead of the work on the
end, it's just smooth saucer. But

1012
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:34.560
the toy could function like a gyroscope
and you could push the cockpit up so

1013
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:41.800
it became completely vertical, and I
thought that that was cool. I've got

1014
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:49.720
no design history on this. I'm
sorry to really disappoint you on that disappointed.

1015
01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:55.159
I just think that the Outrider is
cool, and that's why I think

1016
01:28:55.239 --> 01:29:00.760
it's my starship for the week.
I you better know stlen that one.

1017
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:05.279
No, you obviously a reminder that
you get one starship steal a year.

1018
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:12.479
Okay, well, good to know
you could have stolen. I've stolen yours

1019
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:15.880
before. I have to be very
deliberate about which ones that I steal because

1020
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:18.960
you only get one. You only
get one a year. God, yeah,

1021
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:24.479
what's gonna be the one that we
actually take? But it's just like,

1022
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:30.880
no, I'm stealing this. Yes, I have one, Okay,

1023
01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.960
I do have one. It's also
from Star Wars. Because we don't have

1024
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:36.920
we can do it from we can. It's not like we have the big

1025
01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:40.640
one from Star Trek. We have
the Lazarus. It's fine, and they

1026
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:45.439
mayba I had the shuttle craft called
the Lazarus. I thought it was the

1027
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:49.000
same one, is it not?
Uh? Oh, well, I didn't

1028
01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:53.840
choose it. I truly don't know. Let me check memory alpha. And

1029
01:29:53.920 --> 01:30:01.279
while checking memory alpha, you go
ahead and talk. So I so my

1030
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:08.279
favorite one and I had to look
up the name of it specifically is the

1031
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:14.479
big ass giant ship the Cruiser,
the star Cruiser. At the very beginning

1032
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:19.560
of the film, of course,
we see Leah's diplomatic ship. And I

1033
01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:25.119
was just thinking about this again,
that that iconic first shot of you see

1034
01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:29.439
the ship and you're like cool,
and then you see so huge and it

1035
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.760
goes on forever, and of course
it's you know, we have like the

1036
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:35.640
parodied and like spaceballs and stuff,
which is great. But it is like

1037
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:44.840
shockingly massive, absolutely wild, and
it was called the Tantiv four is the

1038
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:48.760
name of the ship. So it's
the like biggest ship of course, opening

1039
01:30:48.840 --> 01:31:00.239
shot and is without all these goddamn
news special affrict is beautiful and it has

1040
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:05.760
been since the beginning. Uh so, yep, that's it outstanding. So

1041
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:12.000
the Tante four, otherwise known as
the Rebel Blockade Runner, yep, did

1042
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:17.760
you know that it's a consularship?
Yep? Let me back up. I

1043
01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:20.439
actually do genuinely want to back up
and do this. Okay, here we

1044
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:25.760
go. I got the wrong ship, so that's not the right name for

1045
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.680
it. I was like looking up
specifically what it was. I do.

1046
01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:33.920
So the Tanti four is the diplomatic
ship. So that's the one. Well,

1047
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:40.239
that's the diplomatic ship. Yeah,
where is the ambassador? Where where

1048
01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:44.600
is the ambassador? If this is? And was like, no, no,

1049
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.680
no, it is, So I
don't Actually I guess the other one,

1050
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:49.720
like the Imperial star Cruiser, is
the one I do want to choose,

1051
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:55.680
the one that's chasing the Tanti four. That's what I thought. Yes,

1052
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.039
I just don't know, so I
guess they assume it's just an Imperial

1053
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:00.840
Cruiser. I mean it's it's I'm
starfairs, right. You can read a

1054
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:05.800
Wookipedia entry about how not only was
it a star destroyer, it was actually

1055
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:09.680
the first star destroyer that's ever built, and Darth Vader took a liking to

1056
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:13.399
it. Yeah, and it's actually
secretly the most important star destroyer that's ever

1057
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:18.600
existed. I think, so,
yeah, So I am. Yeah,

1058
01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:21.760
I'm a little bit torn because now
I am thinking Tanta four, because it's

1059
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:29.319
obviously I have a lot of faith. I love these two ships. Which

1060
01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:35.800
will I choose? Yeah, you
know what, I love sizable things,

1061
01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.840
but we're gonna get other sizable things. Sorry. It has been as the

1062
01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:46.880
nineteen ninety eight release of the US
Godzilla confirmed size matters. Size matters.

1063
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.479
Yeah, you know what. I'm
going to go with Imperial Cruiser, chasing

1064
01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:55.279
chasing the Tanta four, which itself
is a beautiful ship. But I'm going

1065
01:32:55.359 --> 01:33:02.800
to go for big over beauty cool
speaking a big over beautiful uh huh,

1066
01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:13.960
I'm gonna ship it. Yep,
Uncle Owen and Aunt Brew all all together,

1067
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:19.640
even as charred skeletons, and he
has pronounced skelingtons. I don't know.

1068
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:23.600
Everyone goes to Han Le and Luke
and like, you know, the

1069
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:28.800
classic ship, so no one talks
about, you know, these two married

1070
01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:33.039
farmers moisture farming out in the middle
of nowhere, making the best of it.

1071
01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:39.199
Bruce mak Her a little blue milk
Owens being like, I gotta go

1072
01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:42.239
well, Harvest is when I need
you the most. And he's looking out

1073
01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:48.239
for Luke Skywalker because he doesn't want
bad things to happen to him. It's

1074
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:54.920
a you know, he loved him
and they love each other. Yeah.

1075
01:33:55.479 --> 01:34:00.680
I it's interesting reading the original literature
and then trying to be like, okay,

1076
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:06.359
so what is the past that we
can assume was originally intended and just

1077
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:15.880
talking about how in the original version
of Star Wars pre Vader, even being

1078
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:20.399
Luke's father, it was just kind
of like Owen, Obi Wan and Anakin

1079
01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:30.680
just knew each other at the time, and we never really we get to

1080
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:36.159
twoish scenes three scenes with Alcalo Owen, And it's just I love a good

1081
01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:41.279
scrappy character actor first off, sure, and uh, I don't know,

1082
01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:44.960
just would love to dig a little
bit more into that in a more meaningful

1083
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:50.199
way. Yeah, I agree,
I as a kid, I mean,

1084
01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:57.079
obviously I think there their relationship seems
very sweet and loving and supportive, and

1085
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:03.119
they've got a good partnership. The
as someone who and I'm sure I said

1086
01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:08.840
this on our first episode makes us
who? Also, I was so taken,

1087
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:12.479
of course by Star Wars because I
too wanted so badly just to like

1088
01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:17.319
explore and get away. And I
know that Owen just wants to protect Luke

1089
01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:24.239
so so desperately, but he he's
also not letting him explore, and I

1090
01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:28.359
get that it's dangerous because his only
options are basically be a moisture farmer or

1091
01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:32.119
go to the academy, which is
the Empire's academy. So now I'm kind

1092
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:34.920
of talking myself into it that maybe
he's trying to keep him from like being

1093
01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:40.640
part of the academy, being part
of the empire, isn't it's it would

1094
01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:44.000
be the academies for the Empire,
right, Yeah, Like yeah, that's

1095
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:47.640
the only opportunity rights either, like, here's your opportunities. You're a moisture

1096
01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:54.279
farmer, you're you're you're a rebel
and then you're gonna die just like your

1097
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:59.399
dad did, or you're part of
the empire, which is evil. So

1098
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.239
okay, I just stalk myself into
Owen being a little bit more. Why

1099
01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:05.920
he is being so restrictive. Okay, I'm done, cool so Owen and

1100
01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:11.560
Beru. That's my ship, aspen
wet your ship. It's uh, it's

1101
01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:14.079
have I done? Okay? Shit? Have I done this before? Can

1102
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.159
I do it? I want it? I want to do Spock in McCoy.

1103
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:19.960
I want spock in McCoy. Well, it's okay. We've got bearded

1104
01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:25.600
Spock regularly McCoy. We've got a
Kirksbock. We've got Eline McCoy, We've

1105
01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:30.479
got McCoy and that one gangster that
calls McCoy blue eyes surprisingly looking at it.

1106
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:36.479
Yes, hot diggity dog fuck,
Yes, that's what I've got.

1107
01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:41.800
This one just boiling with the sexual
attention. The boy howdy are you?

1108
01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:45.720
Are you correct? Oh my god? Debating which one should get onto the

1109
01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:49.880
shuttle? Oh my god, the
like little snippy like it is to me

1110
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:55.279
the perfect setup for a like I
mean, they're not true enemies, but

1111
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:58.439
like a real enemy still ever sitch, which we know I love you do,

1112
01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:01.079
but like is to snap be like
you know you wish me luck.

1113
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:03.960
And then when he's not doing well, he's like, tell Dr McCoy he

1114
01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:08.479
should have wished me luck and I'm
just like ooh, or that one part

1115
01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:11.279
where he's just like, don't come
for me, and like McCoy is just

1116
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:16.039
like, shut up, spuck.
We're trying to rescue. Oh my god.

1117
01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:18.640
Oh I love it. That's all. And I don't think I need

1118
01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:23.079
to say much more except that they
love each other. Outstanding, spok ocoy.

1119
01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:25.960
You do love to see it,
Aspen. And not only do you

1120
01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:28.800
love to see it, you do
love to get to the central conceit of

1121
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:31.960
this podcast, The Truk Wars Podcast, the Special Edition the way that we

1122
01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:36.119
intended it, YEP, by finally
answering the question, once for all,

1123
01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:39.720
which is better this week, Star
Trek or Star Wars, as we go

1124
01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:45.039
back and rank the Immunity Syndrome versus
Star Wars Episode for a New Hope otherwise

1125
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:47.640
known as the Star Wars Special Edition, on a scale of one to ten,

1126
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:51.319
one being the worst, ten being
the tip top tippy top best,

1127
01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:59.479
Aspen, what do you so of
the community Syndrome, the immunity Syndrome.

1128
01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:02.880
I'm going to give the most solid
seven I've ever given anything. It is

1129
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:10.680
just a seven. It is a
seven, and I'm going to steal a

1130
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:13.880
phrase, and I'm going to say
that it's a gentleman. Six. Yeah,

1131
01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:16.960
that's that's probably a little bit makes
actually in this case, six might

1132
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:20.039
actually what it's fine. Seven was
the number that came to my mind,

1133
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:25.199
and I was like, I definitely
I did. I think I was in

1134
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.199
the mood for this episode. So
that's why it's bumping it up a little

1135
01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:32.359
bit for me. So it's an
extremely solid episode. Yeah, that is

1136
01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:39.640
it. That's it that brings the
collective ranking to uh six point five,

1137
01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:43.920
But it's still anyone's game. As
we rank Star Wars episode four A New

1138
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:47.239
Hope otherwise known it's Star Wars Special
Edition Acid, what do you rank the

1139
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:51.800
special Edition? Baby Baby? You
know it's funny. I was looking back

1140
01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:57.880
at what I okay, that's okay, what I had ranked originally a New

1141
01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.399
Hope, and I had ranked it
an eight, which is too low.

1142
01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:04.680
That was the very first thing we'd
ever ranked, because I did like eight

1143
01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:09.000
nine to seven, which now I
would, yeah, empires like to me,

1144
01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:11.159
like, now that I know my
rankings, it's like a nine point

1145
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:13.199
eight to ten, it's a ten, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1146
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:17.279
So I would starting from the point
of New Hope is like a nine.

1147
01:39:18.079 --> 01:39:26.279
It's so fucking good. This one
should actually be the eight. Now,

1148
01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:30.520
Paul cobyat this as but yeah,
ranking the special editions not necessarily Star

1149
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:34.279
Wars No, I know, I
know, but I'm saying that like I

1150
01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:39.600
would actually say not special edition.
Original New Hope is like a nine,

1151
01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:45.399
which I would say this special edition
drops it because I don't like those scenes.

1152
01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.680
They're not great scenes. They stick
out like sore thumbed. So I'm

1153
01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:54.119
gonna say seven point eight. You
do hate to see it? Mm hmm.

1154
01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:57.600
It's me mad, you do hate
to see it. I was so

1155
01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.319
happy to get to watch Star Wars
again and so mad that it was a

1156
01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:04.159
special edition. I still dont ranking
at nine. Okay, it's great,

1157
01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:08.720
of course the changes are bad.
But at the end of the day,

1158
01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:12.840
I'm still at the edge of my
seat being like this Death Star Trench Run

1159
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:20.159
is an impeccable piece of filmmaking,
so good, incredible, incredible filmmaking.

1160
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:27.600
The filmmaking that is here, it
is so masterful, improves that once upon

1161
01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:32.439
a time George Lucas really did know
how to how to make a movie.

1162
01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:36.680
At the end of the day,
it does take a village he was the

1163
01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:43.399
ultimate arbiter of all of these things, and all these things just came together

1164
01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:49.039
as a perfect confluence of evats to
make a perfect piece of popcorn entertainment.

1165
01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:55.720
It made me cry as well.
I should maybe I should pop it back

1166
01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:58.840
up because of the big scene.
Sorry popping it back up? Date?

1167
01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:04.479
All right? That means when that
popped up, that means that the Star

1168
01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:11.439
Wars Special Edition is at eight point
five versus the beautity Syndromes paltry, paltry

1169
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.680
six point five, which means that, Aspen, Yeah, when chill lean

1170
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:18.720
close into that microphone, Oh I'm
here, I'm here, baby, Star

1171
01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:33.079
Wars wins the week. I would
like to think not George Lucas. He's

1172
01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:40.159
been thanked enough. Yeah, Aspen, I thank you, and I also

1173
01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:43.920
thank our listeners to the trek Wars
Pod. If you like to leave us

1174
01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:47.159
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1175
01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:51.600
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1176
01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:57.840
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1177
01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:01.319
at mouth as well as you know, money as well. Additionally, if

1178
01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:04.600
you don't want to leave a review. Perhaps you just want to get in

1179
01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:09.880
touch with us, why not send
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1180
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:15.640
dot com. Uh, what as
it? We've got a couple of comments

1181
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:21.760
here from actually the Patreon which you
can see over at patreon dot com slash

1182
01:42:23.079 --> 01:42:29.239
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1183
01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:33.720
to early episodes. You can listen
to greatly extended versions of episodes. And

1184
01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:40.159
this comment is in regards to our
last episode, an elogy for Ewoks,

1185
01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:44.439
where we compared a piece of the
action versus the last episode of Ewoks Prettie

1186
01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:50.880
e Wok versus Malani the Warrior.
And it is a user feeliat which I

1187
01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:57.800
believe expounds on the term idiot ball
and includes a link to TB Troupes dot

1188
01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:02.359
org. I guess Robbing Joy partner
of agency over ownership at that term.

1189
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:08.560
And thing goes on to explain the
home game idiom that we use every single

1190
01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:12.039
episode. As I know you read
this, No, I have actually read

1191
01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:14.800
this prior to recording this, and
I will read this on the air right

1192
01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:21.359
now. Okay from Jolty partner.
I've been quiet for so long, God

1193
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:27.359
damn it. Okay, but I
need to respectfully disagree with how Ken Dogg

1194
01:43:27.479 --> 01:43:32.279
I'm assuming that's me has always used
the home game idiom To me, the

1195
01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:38.319
home game quote unquote has always meant
you play along with the show. I

1196
01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:41.680
e. You watched the episodes trek
Wards, do it was watching it?

1197
01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:47.800
Because parenthetical to me and parenthetical not
to playing the home game and not watching

1198
01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:55.439
the episodes feels like parallel opting out
parenthetical in terms of language. Ultimate question?

1199
01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:59.439
Does can he think of playing the
home game as an alternative to playing

1200
01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:04.760
the quote unquote real game paranthodical watching
episodes? Uh, to which I say

1201
01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:09.239
yes. That's one of the reasons
why I like to provide a little bit

1202
01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:12.199
of synopsis. And I know that
we can get into the weeds a little

1203
01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:16.399
bit, but episodes like this where
we're covering Star Wars and broadstro I like

1204
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:18.640
to do a little bit of a
synopsis. And I assume that most people

1205
01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:24.119
haven't watched you walks along with this, uh. And so playing the home

1206
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:26.600
game means that hopefully you just get
to show up and not do the work.

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Can I tell you a secret?
Absolutely? You can. I should

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I cut this out because it's a
secret. Should it be test for you.

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You just like big old beep over
my like minute of speech. I

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also I also consider playing the home
game to be watching along and falling along

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at home, like watching it with
us and so. But you've been saying

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it the whole time. So I
just was like, this is this is

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what it is. It's like how
the word it's like how nonplused people now

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mee use it to mean it's opposite, and that's just what it is now.

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I guess, Well, personally,
I'm nonplused by that reaction asmen incredible,

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so interesting. People that are playing
the home game means that they're watching

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it too. Yeah, so it's
like for people who are not playing the

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home game, you got to give
them a synopsis. For people who are

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not playing the home game. Yeah, though in my mind, as the

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user of the Idiom Home game,
I am saying it and then introducing the

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synopsis for people that are not watching
along with the episodes. So it's okay,

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that's fine. Look, you know
what, we'll leave us up for

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debate. Ah, do I want
to die on this thill? No?

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I think there are other things that
I would be willing to die on,

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such as for our lovely patrons that
help contribute five dollars a month and help

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help us pay for Zencaster, help us

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That is so nice. And again
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slash trek Wars pod for one more
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go. Nope, I love you. Oh look at this Phantom Menace is

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returning to theaters. Actually saw that. I'm really excited clear off here on

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May Thirdantom Menace together. Baby,
I will, I will, I got

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to stop calling you baby. That's
bad gender politics. And speaking of bad

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gender politics, someone that practices good
gender politics, mister Tolstin alifesto, thank

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you so much for your theme song. And Jolty Partner, thank you for

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your theme song and Aspen Thank you
so much for your co hosting Dame song

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Okay, yeah yeah, I love
you so much of you. I give

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you little on your nicely shaved eyebrows. Thank you, and listeners, thank

1243
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:23.640
you so much. May the Force
be with you and live long and prosper

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Moopsie my conkey