Aug. 31, 2024

The Empath vs. Gungan General

The Empath vs. Gungan General

We're mad about The Acolyte getting cancelled. 


Also, what does it mean to be an empath? Is Obi-Wan Kenobi compassionate? And where are Kenny and Aspen in our love of these fandoms?


All these answers and more!

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Season 1

We're mad about The Acolyte getting cancelled.


Also, what does it mean to be an empath? Is Obi-Wan Kenobi compassionate? And where are Kenny and Aspen in our love of these fandoms?


All these answers and more!

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Welcome to the Track Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Trek or Star Wars by going through

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both franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent with me as Per always.

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Is Aspen Webster, Star Wars fan. Here, nice Star Wars fan,

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good Star Wars fan, Lovely Star Wars fans person. I'm

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a nice person.

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You are a nice person, someone that has a great

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deal of empathy for others, including a general gun Gan

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do attitude. That forced segue means that we can only

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be covering two episodes. That's right, Star Trek, the original series,

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the m Path versus Star Wars, the Clone Wars Season one,

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the Gungan General, and boy, oh boy, Ashton. I think

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this is the truest thing that I've ever said for

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any podcast episode. These are two pieces of episodes.

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Oh oh no, okay, I mean, oh.

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No, that's not That's not a statement of quality. We've

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got two episodes. It is we have to make no mistake.

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The true thing that you and I can both agree

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on it is that we are about to talk about

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two episodes, two long running science fiction franchises.

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Well we could, we could counter that maybe actually Star

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Wars is more of a space opera fantasy.

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Star Trek is a space opera science fiction.

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Oh yeah, I guess Star Wars is. Well, what I'm

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saying is, Kenny, is is there really any ultimate truth?

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Is there really anything that we couldn't dissect until we

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get bored, uh and or angry?

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I disagree. There is an ultimate truth in the sense

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that our listeners are the greatest listeners on the planet.

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That's true. I shall not dissect. You are indeed truly beautiful.

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I gave you. And before we proceed on to our

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analyzes of both of these episodes, we have some housekeeping

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to take care of.

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Okay, if you would like to come over and wash

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my dishes.

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No, that's not not the housekeeping that we're talking about. Instead,

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we're talking about what our Patreon Patreon dot com slash

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track Wars point, where we put up early versions of

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our episodes, extended versions of our episodes, like last week's

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episode A Week of an Eye versus Doukud captured, where

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on our Patreon you can listen to a forty five

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minute extended version of that episode. What if we even

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talk well, because we always have our pre show chat.

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And then I also caught out an additional five or

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ten minutes from the main episode as well.

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Just for what.

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Yeah, you know, you're you're a beautiful editor.

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You're you're beautiful man.

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Just for flow, Just for flow, anyways, just for flow.

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Arizona Mark talks about how we talked about our experiences

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by doing forty eight hours of improv in a row.

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We did forty eight hours of improv. That's what we

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all away and you can listen to that Patreon dot

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com slash Struck Wars Pod Premierzona Mark, which I could

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have experienced your forty eight hour improv in person. I

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gave Sylvia a kiss like you asked. Sylvia is his

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dong Aspen. I also tried to watch Walker for one season,

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but couldn't even make it through the full first season.

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So much, Arizona Mark kind a kind gentleman.

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Extremely kind gentleman, A sweet.

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Star Wars fan, a nice Star Wars fan, a.

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Sweet Star Wars fan, a nice Star Wars fan. Speaking

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of sweet and nice Star Wars fan, Austin Aaron writes

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into our email address truck Warsepod at gmail dot com Hi,

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Captain Kenny and Admiral Aspen. It's a literally gonna I'm

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gonna have to talk about that to my therapist anytime

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you even obliquely mentioned toxic fandom. I want to have

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a huge conversation about the cycle of enjoyment, disillusionment, refreshment

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and fandom and why some entitled fans get stuck in disillusionment.

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But today I was just wondering which phase you each

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currently are in that cycle regards these two franchises. Wow wow?

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And what was the series movie that moved you into

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your current phase? Wow? Personally, the Clone Wars was a

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refreshing influence from my Star Wars fandom. The Ahsoka series

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too disagree a not.

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Personal toll, Kenney, our fans are perfect and also Austin

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Aaron is wrong.

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A non irradiated seaman. Austin Aaron PS. So proud of

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you both for your forty eight marathon run. I really

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wish I could have been there in personally and Kis

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Kiss Kiss, So the question is, uh, where are we

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in concurrently in our fandoms for these franchises?

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I will tell you, Okay, it is funny. I did

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I I uh, because I think we had I had

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planned to talk about the Acolyte getting canceled.

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Yeah, I think this is a perfect seguay for talking

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about the Acolyte, because my my, I'm extremely disillusioned with

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the state of where Star Wars is going, and I

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have nothing to look forward to except for and or

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season two, because I know what to expect from Star

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Wars this point.

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It's funny, I am not in disillusionment space with Star Wars.

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You could just say that, but a little bit more dead,

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that would be great Star Wars.

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I think it helps. I think it helps that what

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I have looked forward to six more seasons of Clone

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Wars and all of these pieces to frankly rewatch and

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love like I was as we were right before I

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watched the episode for this week, I was looking through

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the rest of the episodes of the season and I

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just kept going, Oh, my god, that's right. That's a banger.

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This is a banker, this is a banger. And I'm

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pretty sure that across the board, people typically maybe like

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rank Season one as like the lowest, like just in

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terms of the Clone Wars seasons, and that's probably true.

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But in the same way that you're like, well, I'm

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reading all these great books, and like that one just

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happens to be my least favorite because I was, like,

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it's full of extraordinarily good episodes, Like I.

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Kind of say, I got to talk about I'm reading

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this terrible Star Trek book. Star Trek the Next Generation,

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indistinguishable from Magic and the Star Trek Verse post Nemesis

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is exquisite. Yeah, it is so good, except for this

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one trash novel, which is just like everything that is

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the worst instincts from quite frankly Star Wars stuff where

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it's just like this thing that you recognize, blam, this

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thing you recognize, blam. Are you wondering how these things

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got there? Don't worry about it. We don't need to

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do the emotional neckwork because you just like these things.

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It's really frustrating. It's so dead on the page.

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Yeah, I anyways, Yeah, I mean that's I do have

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a slight fear that that is the way Star Trek

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will start to go disagreement.

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I don't think so.

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I know, I think the canceling of Lower Decks was

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a problem.

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Prodigy is a problem. Those are like I would understand,

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except I think five years for lower Decks is probably

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a good run. I could feel in season four it's

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just like I feel like it's starting to get a

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little bit thin. Even though, make no mistake, I still

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add to it. And if I'm looking for some Star

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Trek in a pinch, I'll go to it because it's

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it's exquisite. And also the two shows that we have

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on deck I'm there excited for the state of Star Trek.

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Is the Starfleet Academy show, Sure, which is not just

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hopefully if it's done right, It's not just another we're

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just gallivanting on a ship again, because we've done that

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so many times. No, this is seems to be a

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different perspective.

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Yeah, I'm just telling you, I'm afraid Sure, because I

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think it almost has what we can get into it.

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I yeah, Star Wars.

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The Star Wars is not to interrupt you, what's the

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other thing that's coming on?

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I interrupted you too. The Starfleet Academy thing, the Section

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thirty one movie, which I think could go. I'm very

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wary of it because whenever folks are playing in the

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section one Section thirty one, Bailey Wick, that is not

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the writers of Deep Space nine or to a degree, Enterprise,

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They're like okay, cool. We think this Star Trek stuff

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is corny and hack section thirty one. Section thirty one's

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badass because that's a moral gray and we know how

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to write that set and they just make it action

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and stuff.

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That's like sort of like CIA esque thing that happened

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in DS nine.

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It's black Ops, Black Ops, right right, so so secret

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that the President of the Federation doesn't even that's about it.

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I remember that now.

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Yeah, those folks were talking about things like that. That

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was brought about because they wanted to talk about what

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it takes to even though you have this completely benevolent

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ideal empire. They're talking about it with Federation and Starfleet

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being analogous to America, trying to interrogate the notion of

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no matter how good your ideals are, how are you

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perpetuating it? God fucking love D nine versus like a

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Perfect Discovery where they're like, Section thirty one is the

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Secret Bad.

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Days, the Secrets Bad Days.

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That's not that's not good for strong enough, But the

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trailer for it did kind of make it look like

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Star Trek Guardians the Galaxy, which, to be fair, is

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Star Trek Prodigy. I'll give it the benefit of the

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Doubt and then also the weird tawny newsome justin Simeon show.

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That's right, that's the one that actually excites the ship.

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I mean we've talked because I'm like, this sounds so

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out of left field, and I'm like, right, cool, great,

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because I don't need another TV show like old Old

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Fuddy Duddy. Star Trek fans are like Star Trek Legacy,

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do that show, which is just like more of the same,

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more of the same characters. And but that's not that's

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not good for your general audiences who they want to

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experience their thing for the first time.

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Oh, I mean, that's an interesting notion.

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I don't I don't think that they know that that's

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what they want. Of course, I just have to look

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at Dead Poa and Wolverine, which made so much money,

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but also that movie is not That movie only succeeds

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because of its cameos and its references to Lore, not

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fundamentally as a good story.

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So the Star Wars piece, I like this discussion. This

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discussion here, uh is you know there's two kind of

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this is so reductive. I feel like part of my

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like my fear with Star Trek right has to do

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with this first element, which is what Disney and Lucasfilm

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is deciding is worth their money to put out there.

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And my I guess my fear might bringing that up

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of like, well, I'd have this fear around Star Trek,

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which is that like when you do start to get

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into what feels like a redund dent sort of treading

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cycle of like, well, we know that Deadpole versus Wolverine

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will make money because of these cameos and this sort

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of like tongue in cheek ask like that's I see that.

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I recognize that.

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I recognize that as opposed to like I'm leaning into

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the emotionality of a new type of story whatever that

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looks like that is. I think that there is an

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element there of the like we just keep doing what works,

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what works. When it comes to the Acolyte, I do

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not know. I know that every episode it costs a

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lot of money to make.

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Let me, we're talking about the Acolyte getting canceled. Let

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me let me start.

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Let me start place from a very neutral perspective, and

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then let me actually like really lose my mind neutral perspective.

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Star Wars is a franchise.

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Star Wars is a fucking franchise. I don't know what

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they're toy I don't know what their toy selling looks like.

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I don't know if they didn't even make any Acolyte

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toys because they have been neutral. Sorry, sorry, I don't

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It costs a lot of money to make each episode,

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and I do know, I know that viewership, Like I'm

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actually not sure about their viewership versus other shows. I

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neutral have a suspicion that it actually isn't very low comparatively.

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But you know, one of the things I'd say is like, Okay, well,

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then why don't we have a new vision for types

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of budgets that you put out for these shows? Like

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there are different types of stories you can make that

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don't cost twenty million an episode, Almost.

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Like there should be transparency. We exactly have the money

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that their shareholders and stockholders are giving them, right as

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opposed to what I'm sure they're not doing, which is

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spending it, you know, on themselves. Because Disney is notoriously

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a great company.

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To work, You're bringing up another actually really interesting conversations.

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I don't know.

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I don't know this industry, but if it's anything like

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any other type of corporate industry of yeah, being subject

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to your shareholder expectation as opposed to like the quality

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of content or material or widgets being put out there,

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the expectation the perception of a thing. Stocks are complicated, No,

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fuck that, they're not whatever. It's mostly about perceptions and.

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It's all snake oil.

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Yes, it's just that it's almost entirely snake oil salesman shit.

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So like, I don't know, I don't think it is

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as simple as you know, like money and money out

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I think there are like perception elements within this. This

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is where I'm going to stop it. Neutrality, thank you, please.

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Go on now. I was about to be like, uh,

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screw neutral because this is emotional and like it's freaking

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yet again whenever there's an economic downturn, rather a perceived

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economic downturn, because it just apparently everyone just decided that

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the economy was going to downturn a little bit. And

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who gets punished not all of the folks that look

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like me, right.

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To be sure, and so that everybody knows because this

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is typically an audio medium.

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Although I can subscribe to YouTube dot com slash Act,

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Trek Horsepod, but.

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YouTube pers a sweet little bearded white boy, hey know, yeah,

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and yes, and it is people of color and gender

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expansive people and women and lonstly women and women of

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color and queer people fucking always. So this is where

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we'll get really mad. This is the Acolyte. Not a

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perfect show, No, you know, it's not a perfect show. Hilariously,

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I ended up becoming deeply invested in it because it

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was a show that felt so different and fresh and

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interesting and things were happening. But I was like, I

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don't ever really get to see this type of wildness

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in a Star Wars thing.

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So far.

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The last time I felt this is kind of like

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weird frankly sexual tension and pieces like that was a

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Han and Leah and I have yet to feel it sense,

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you know, like those types of elements are interesting because

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they are human and dynamic. It is a show that

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head writer is a queer woman, It was headed by

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a non binary black actor, and it had it has

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a cast of it's like a coven of people of color,

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of witches with and its queerness everywhere. They may just

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seen so all of these different elements. An actor who

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is South Korean just like absolutely tremendous, right, It's a

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very it's a different type of story and a different

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type of context. There's plenty you could talk about, but I'm.

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Just so few member barriers as well, so.

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Few member barries. And also so again, I don't want

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my emotionality to get in the way of what I'm

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trying to say here, because I think there's so many

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There's so many different elements though of like why I'm

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so mad about this one is the blatant racism of

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the thing. And this is not just an alcolyte piece

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a Mandelistenberg started getting horrific comments and racist comments before

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the show even came out, like absolutely terri like just

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like terrorized Moses Ingram from that's her last name from

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uh Obi Wan from the Kenobi show, Moses. I'm trying

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to cabi someone else, but that you know, the woman

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who played the badde in Kenoby. No.

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I only watched the first three episodes.

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Us, so she was tremendous in that show. Just really quick,

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I want to make sure, yeah it is Moses Ingram

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new quisitor Riva. Absolutely just like barrage of racist and

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sexist comments because she's a black woman. Of course, all

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the way back to John Boyega before the Force Awakens

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even came out this like anger that he could even

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like because I think he was like holding a lightsaber, right,

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just like, yeah, we're talking about we're talking about just

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like pure unfiltered racism, sexism, uh, queer phobia, transphobia, any

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kind of thing. That is what we are talking about here,

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just to like lay the groundwork and then yeah, you know,

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that's a core of it, and then there's the other

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elements of what it takes, like the space that stories

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get to explore and expand and be the kind of

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story that they can be. This is a common thing

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I thread that we're hearing. I think people are really

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starting to talk about a lot now, which is like

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I thinking about the Clone Wars thing, It's like, well,

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this first season, even though I'm like actually think it rocks.

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At the time, it was like you.

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Know what, oh one, Like, oh my gosh, it was

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a complete affront to everything Star Wars. And then, like anything,

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you give it time, suddenly people are nostalgic for it,

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and then you can see the value of it detached

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to what your expectations are.

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Yes, and also just it's quality itself. It had the

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ability to breathe a character like Ahsoka gets to grow

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as a literal character like that we get to start

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a certain way. The whole thrust of Western storytelling is

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that your characters change, so that means they have to

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start here, you know, and then they get to grow

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and become something. If they were static the whole time,

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what would they be, So they can't just get to

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start at like yeah, you know, like you need to

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give them time. You need to give your storytime, your

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ideas time. And perhaps the cost structure of the thing

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is actually a problem here and it's been. It started

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when we started doing like Netflix, like take it all

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in at once and have eight episode shows and it's

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a mini series and that's all we get these days.

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Like maybe that's part of it, But I think too,

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like when you have this type of structure, so there

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is both the structural problems of the thing that they

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can come out and they could be like, well, it

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doesn't make sense for us like to throw this kind

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of money at a thing that's like actually not that

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very right, and it's like, well why. And this goes

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to the Rolling Stone article is written about it, which

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is talking about how Star Wars fans, the worship of

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Star Wars fancy to fucking get over the themselves and

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die already. It doesn't say that, but that was what

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I took from it. Uh, go fuck yourselves and throw

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yourselves off a cliff. That's what I'm saying, you absolute knobs.

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But but but yeah, but like why would any creator

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who is in a fucking Zack Snyder white boy want

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to even like commit any time? Like why And they're

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they're they're just going to be tokenized and then thrown out,

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like that's what's going to happen. And then you're like

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it's more than just like Okay, well yeah your show

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didn't go to second season. It's like, well then you

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also your actors weathered terrorism like against them. Your writing

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is like you yourself are like you have to like I

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can't even imagine like the emotional strain of the thing,

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right like and then yeah, and now you're fucked and

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now you have to like go, you know, now go

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find another job too, And like why would any reader

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who isn't just a white guy want to even go

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near Star Wars?

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And then because of.

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That, you're gonna get boring ass stories banned.

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You are going to keep getting guys in helmets.

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Star Wars's helmets.

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Folks with deep fake faces of things that you love.

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Goddamn yeah, because of this loud faction of fans who

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need it to be exactly the same as whenever it

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grew up, as opposed to and I think the problem

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with Star Wars as supposed to wear his Star Trek

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is now they're not telling stories for story's sakes now,

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uh huh Star Trek lower decks. I think people really

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like now. But whenever it came out, every Star Trek

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fan was like, including myself, no, that's not Star Trek

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wild really but then yeah, no, it's not Star Trek,

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but then what Star Trek. Yeah, Luckily. I think this

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is also indicative of the medium of how Star Wars existed,

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or at least existed within the cultural mind for so long.

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They are these movies. There are these three movies, and

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that's it for at least for these all suburban white

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kids that are growing up and watching the original trilogy

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over and over and over and over and over again,

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so that gets locked into the mindset and it can't

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be anything else. Star Trek has the benefit of being

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episodic by its nature. Even the original series, every single

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episode could have a completely different tone. And while Next

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Generation definitely had its detractors whenever it came out, because

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they're like Kirk Spock and McCoy, No, it's not Star

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Trek Picard, he's bald. Why Luckily, the Internet did not

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exist in the way that it does now, and by

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the virtue of how the thing is delay, Star Trek

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gets the benefit of being whatever it wants to be.

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So whenever they announced this new Justin Sibby and Tawny

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Newsome show, which is a multi cam sitcom or no,

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maybe not a multiicam sitcom, but it's they've said it's

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a sitcom that exists canonically within the world of Star Trek,

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I'm like, yeah, let's do it. Let's go for it.

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If it fails, at least I know that they are trying. Yeah,

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because there's no way that a paramount would just be like,

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let's put this in development, because that is weird as

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hell to do with like one of your biggest franchises.

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Except and Disney is like stupid at the Mandalorian on

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the big screen.

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Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I don't mean

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Disney's doing thatx Disney, but never but they are being like, yeah,

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let's do this different story with like creators of color

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and stuff. And then they're just like fuck you.

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Yeah, because I mean, we are paying attention to within

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the season three meta narrative of Star Trek. Behind the scenes,

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they want the optics of being progressive without actually being

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like threatening anyone in the South, as they explicitly state

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within These are the Voyages season three by Mark Cushman

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and Susan Osborne.

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I yeah, I mean I guess that's interesting. Yeah. Star

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Wars can slightly get the optics of being like, oh sure, well,

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we like gave you something, and in ten.

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Years people will be nostalgic for acolite, And in ten

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years people will be nostalgic book a Bubba fet and

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all of these other items of Star Wars. And then

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and we won't realize how good we had it because

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it would have gotten flattened out even more. I have

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to how are you doing asthmen?

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I feel so upset, Like I genuinely feel so upset.

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There's there is a conversation here around like should something

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keep going? Maybe it should stop? You know, Like like

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I said, I I do have stuff to look forward

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to in Star Wars. I have all of the Clone Wars,

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I have rebels, I have.

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Film, I have a radical as hell show that somehow

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managed to exist. But I mean it probably helps that

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the creator is a white dude. The star of it

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is a white passing guy.

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I mean, yes, I do. I do want to call

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out that, Like Dolna is a his strong Mexican accent

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and that is a big deal, and like it's noticeable,

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like I know people who are like talking about how

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their parents watched, Like that is the thing about Rogue One,

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right that like I will always give it, which is

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like people walked in and were like, that's my accent,

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you know, but but but but you know, yeah, it's

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made by like what a British white guy. It gets

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to fly under the radar too. It's an extraordinary show.

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You know.

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What's so funny though about and Or I don't think

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it was you why said this, because I don't think

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you would have said. Those people are like, well maybe

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you did.

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I don't know.

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So one was just like, well, you know, it just

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like doesn't like look like Star Wars, and I'm like,

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but it does though, it does though, Like that's what's

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so funny to me is I'm like, I am, I

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love Star Wars. That show looks like Star.

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Wars, like that person's expectations of Star Wars, like so

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much of fandom is so narrow.

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It's wild to me. Like I'm like, I don't. But

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that's the question I want to ask people. I want

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to be like, what do you what do you think

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it is? Then, like do you think it's like a

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sort of cartoonish aspect or like a kind of a bigger, broader,

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like bigger than life kind of thing. I don't think

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of it that way that that show captures the feeling

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of Star Wars to me perfectly, Like it just does.

472
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.039
I remember speaking of the marathon years ago at like

473
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.640
im pro marathon we both did years ago, at like

474
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.799
four in the morning, I did a Star Wars show.

475
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:04.519
It was like the most grounded like star It was

476
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.119
just like a Star Wars, a straight Star Wars narrative

477
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.839
for forty five minutes, and it was like it worked right,

478
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.400
Like there were lightsabers and stuff, but it would have

479
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.440
it's a kind of story you would have seen an

480
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.359
and or or the Acolyte or something, you know what

481
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.920
I mean, Like no noticeable like main characters just like

482
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.000
the vibe of Star Wars, and like I remember thinking

483
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.400
like obviously everybody was a group of extraordinary people, right,

484
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.200
and like it just works so well. And I was

485
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.440
just like, because we know what Star Wars feels like.

486
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.880
We know it's settings, we know it's it's sensibilities, Like

487
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.119
I don't understand what you mean, doesn't look like Star

488
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.119
Wars and so and I don't think people do either.

489
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.640
And you do know what some people think, Star Wars

490
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.279
doesn't look like to them, and it doesn't look like

491
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:51.720
black people, you know what I mean?

492
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.119
Like for some people, Star Wars is solely that one

493
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.279
scene in Rogue one where Darth Vader lights up his lightsaber,

494
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.039
or that one scene of The Mandalorian where Luke Skywalker

495
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.240
fires up as lightsaber.

496
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.720
I just you know, I'm not going to be able

497
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.920
to fight lucasfilm. I'm not gonna be able to or

498
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.799
fight Disney, you know what I mean on this, Like

499
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.400
there's nothing to be said, like there is to them,

500
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:23.240
like this is how this is, This is capitalism, This

501
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:28.440
is the neoliberal to fascism structure. That is the wild

502
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:32.559
like the wild one to one of what Star Wars

503
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.039
is showing. And then what's happening in the real world,

504
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.480
which is like, that's this is why I don't actually

505
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.480
think it has to do with cost. I think it

506
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.039
really does have to do with cawling to like what

507
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:50.559
you like. From a capitalistic perspective, I'll tell you who wins,

508
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:57.079
and it's not marginalized people, you know, so it's short

509
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.920
term gains, it's not long term investment in things.

510
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.400
Well happened. What would have happened if they allowed the

511
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.440
acolyte to cook and then the filmmakers were allowed to

512
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:18.079
respond to good faith criticisms yeah, within the text right,

513
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.960
and then be able to build on their strengths, and

514
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.720
perhaps those issues wouldn't have gone away, but there's no time. Well.

515
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.319
What actually makes me think of too, is like it's

516
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.839
occurring to me that I was so intense about the

517
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:35.839
accolyte and defending it. It's almost like I was like, sorry,

518
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.759
I don't have space to actually give good faith criticism

519
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.920
because the bad faith criticism is so much louder.

520
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.160
Can it becomes a dog wessel whenever You're just like,

521
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:44.519
the acolyte has issues.

522
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.079
Right, well, and I'm like yeah, because I'm like, oh boy, Like,

523
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.559
even if you do have good criticism. It truly is

524
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:54.799
good criticism, Like those voices are so loud like and

525
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.680
there and it is bad faith like and so it's

526
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.640
like imagine, yeah, a space where you would be like,

527
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.519
here's my very good criticism for this, Like here's some

528
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.079
ways that we could like, yeah, maybe it did chase

529
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.400
a mystery at the expense of like true emotionality. Like

530
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.920
those kinds of things are very real, So you get

531
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.960
the space to create an even better story later, like

532
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.759
you exactly like you're saying, But like I, as a

533
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.000
good faith critic, couldn't even feel like I could engage

534
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.880
in that because I was just like, no, my actual

535
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:26.880
good faith criticism is going to be drowned out by

536
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:27.640
everything else.

537
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.799
While as well intentioned as Dave Filoni is, colony got

538
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.359
time to cook to find clone wars, he.

539
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.920
Really did get time to cook. And that's the other

540
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.680
thing when we talk about, like when we talk about

541
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.920
things like like affirmative action or being mindful of like

542
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.839
who we're putting into positions of power, Like, the difference

543
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.920
is often that white guys just got time to cook,

544
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.680
Like they got they get the time to make mistakes

545
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.079
and fuck up and get better and better and better

546
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.680
and like women, people of color, marginalized people don't. It's

547
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.759
like you have to comment and be fucking perfect immediately.

548
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.640
And also you didn't get all that time to like

549
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.599
cook and get better at your saying. You immediately had

550
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.759
to be good no matter what, and like, oh, you

551
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.079
didn't do it perfectly, and you know, it's it's actually maddening,

552
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:21.079
Like it makes me feel insane, like absolutely insane. Yeah,

553
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.279
I feel so upset, and I you know, I don't know.

554
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.480
I also want to just throw some conspiracy theories here.

555
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.440
I think they're trying to make everybody look bad. They

556
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:31.000
started doing that thing where lejiuon Jai Master Soul, they

557
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.799
were like, oh, well, our first choice was Keanu Reeves

558
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.920
before him, Like they started being like, look like it's

559
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.920
almost like they're trying to like undermine everybody, Like that

560
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:41.759
was just really said. They're like, well he wasn't even

561
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.359
like our first choice, and I'm just like, fuck you,

562
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.519
what are you trying to do right now? Like this

563
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:54.680
absolutely phenomenal powerhouse of an actor christ because I think

564
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.559
he expressed frustration or sadness around it, and then they

565
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:58.079
came out.

566
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:03.160
With that yeah, like you know, absolute nightmares every single

567
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.519
person works so hard on.

568
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.720
These things, right right, Absolutely.

569
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.960
At least below the line, and also actors showing up

570
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:24.119
and that can be extremely difficult, writers, directors, producers, and

571
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:25.880
there's like a handful of people who have the most

572
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.279
power don't necessarily do the lion's share or have the

573
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.240
lion's share of anxiety. And even then, I'm I don't know,

574
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.079
just speaking of my experience as being a former under

575
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.960
the line person. Man, this stuff is harder than we

576
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:45.799
will ever imagine, right right, So you're feeling pretty nihilistic

577
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.839
about Star Wars franchise.

578
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.200
No, I'm not, actually like that's the thing I don't

579
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:51.119
well franchise.

580
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:56.119
Yeah, I'm the forward direction because outside I'm interested in

581
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.440
Skeleton Crew because I watched the trailer of that and

582
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.359
I'm like, this feels really different. My initial instinct is

583
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.279
be like, that's not Star Wars. And because of that,

584
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.640
I'm like, interesting is what is?

585
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.160
What the fuck is star Wars?

586
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.960
The is it? It should be to be anything? Also,

587
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.279
copyright law is bullshit.

588
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:23.799
Yeah, I have so much Star Wars.

589
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:25.960
Like I have it.

590
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.920
It's mine, you know, I have so much of what

591
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.279
I absolutely adore beyond reason. Like some things I don't

592
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.279
like as much some thing as I do. Saying for

593
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:40.000
Star Trek I wonder if I mean Star Trek is,

594
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.359
as you pointed out, is kind of showing a different

595
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.960
path here, but like, yeah, I mean the like Jesse

596
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.279
Earle talks about, like in that like declining the metamath

597
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.559
of Star Wars kind of thing, like it is by

598
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:59.920
nature this like it's like we it itself represents this

599
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.720
sort of like that neoliberalism and then like a descent

600
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.559
into fascism, like it like the kind of that process

601
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.480
itself and of like the making of the thing. So

602
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.320
my reaction is to be like I wish you'd just stop. Yeah,

603
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.880
just like don't let it. Just like what you are

604
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:23.760
doing to it is like it feels deeply exploited, exploitive

605
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.119
at this point, right, You're you're exploiting marginalized creators at

606
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.199
this point, and I'm fucking down with you. Like that's

607
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:37.400
the vibe that I'm having. So so, but Star Wars

608
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:39.599
means everything to me.

609
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:42.599
It's like it means everything to me.

610
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.440
I'm not disillusioned with Star Wars, Yeah, you.

611
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.119
Know, so disillusioned with the process of creation in twenty

612
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.519
twenty four. Yes, the fact that you have, you have

613
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.199
to fit within the bumpers or else.

614
00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:03.000
Yes, Yeah, I'm not a f fan of actors and

615
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:11.239
creators getting horrifying messages wishing them their death, like let.

616
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:14.159
Me just tell yeah, yeah.

617
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.360
Oh that's that's what I made Listenberg and Moses Gott

618
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:23.239
like telling them they should die. Like so, yeah, I

619
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.679
think I think we're talking about a lot of things

620
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.840
sort of overlapping on each other. Yeah, the state of

621
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.480
creation in twenty twenty four, the sort of like the

622
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:39.360
culture online culture, a lot of like what you're hearing about.

623
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:44.000
When people start to talk about, like the radicalization especially

624
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:50.760
of like young white men in spaces and as people

625
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.320
that do not look like you gain power, you are

626
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.000
fed the narrative that they're not enough resources and these

627
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.599
things are being taken from you, and this is one

628
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.719
of the responses. It's always been the response, and now

629
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.000
we just have louder spaces for it. Yeah. I think

630
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.679
it overlaps strongly into everything you see in political like politics.

631
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:13.760
Every time someone's like we're such a divided nation, I'm like,

632
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:15.960
shut the fuck up. We're talking about more than being

633
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.679
a divided nation. Like, we're talking about a lots of

634
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.679
things that are going on that are mostly to do

635
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.960
with racism and sexism and misogyny. So and what we

636
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:33.599
have constructed, what powerful people have constructed in terms of

637
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:39.119
a narrative around haves and haves, not classism too, obviously

638
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.880
like this are all interlapping, under overlapping with one another, interconnected.

639
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.840
So anyway, Oh, so fucking bored.

640
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.719
Of it all? Uh? You love you? Do you need

641
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.760
to take a break? None, I'm just gonna to drink

642
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.760
my fizzy water. Okay, Well, why do you drink your

643
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.840
fizzy water? Why didn't I go ahead and start the

644
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:04.559
work of talking about this week's episodes, The Mpath versus

645
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.599
the Gunk in general. I'll do my synopsis here, Yeah, dude,

646
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.400
starting with The Mpath first air December sixth, nineteen sixty eight,

647
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.480
writer Joyce Muscat director John Erman. From the TV Highlights

648
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.239
printed in the December sixth, nineteen sixty eight edition of

649
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:31.320
The Saint Petersburg Times, serving Saint Petersburg and Tampa Bay, Florida.

650
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.599
Two hours away from where I grew up.

651
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.159
This critic wrote, Star Trek is a bit rough to

652
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.599
watch tonight unless you have a statistic streak. Yeah, it's

653
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.199
about a girl who has the unusually the unusual ability

654
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:44.599
to absorb the pain of others, a kind of physical

655
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.159
esp She is being used experimentally by two aliens, and

656
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.280
her captors must have laboratory animals to torture so that

657
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.760
they can discover her secrets. The animals in this case

658
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.760
turn out to be Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and I

659
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:02.559
will say. According to the Nielsen ratings, this was the

660
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.039
second highest rated third season episode, following Spock's Brain the

661
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:11.679
season premiere, and placed first for the night in its

662
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.400
just ratings period of it's timeslot.

663
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.199
Did you know this is one of the episodes, along

664
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.920
with Plato Step Children, that they just like wouldn't show

665
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.920
on the BBC because it was so violent?

666
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:31.199
I did after reading this, because yeah, going into this episode,

667
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.519
much like Wink of an Eye, I was like, this

668
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.440
is gonna be another one of those sleepy episodes.

669
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.800
It's unlike Lada. We'll talk about it, obviously, but I

670
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:44.320
found Plato Step Children, as I noted, to be unnecessarily

671
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.760
violent or like not necessarily violent.

672
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.159
Obviously. It just felt awful to watch.

673
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.480
Sure, actually that long this time around, I was like,

674
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.000
this is this at least feels like there is an

675
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.960
intention toward it. It feels very cruel, but not cruel

676
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.119
for the sake of cruelty, like cruel in terms of

677
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.519
how actors are like how these characters are acting. So

678
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.280
it felt slightly different for me. Sure it was still

679
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:10.239
hard to watch.

680
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:13.400
You know what wasn't hard to watch? Actually it was

681
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.039
for me the gun in general.

682
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.119
Really it was hard for you to watch. Oh my god,

683
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:18.639
I was like, I'm having a great time.

684
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:21.199
Someone enjoyed the Gun in general.

685
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.639
It man, you just don't like jar Jar Probably you

686
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:30.559
just don't like jar Jar Man, who this time is voiced.

687
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.239
By philm I will say that bomb Bat Jedi was

688
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.360
a better episode than this one. You think, so, oh.

689
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.559
Yeah, there's a lot of shenanigans in this episode.

690
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.760
Jedi had tonal whiplash. But we'll get into it.

691
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.639
It worked for me. Well, it's fine. You don't like him,

692
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.079
it's fine, it's fine. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

693
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.039
We'll talk about this later.

694
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:53.440
It's fine.

695
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.239
I was growing up, but like, I can't even remember

696
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.639
what the show is that we're watching.

697
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.639
But in the show, where did were it was?

698
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.320
When I was growing up, Like it was like some

699
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.320
some sitcom or.

700
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:12.599
Something, and well, where did you Where was this Florida

701
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.920
to the nice beaches of Florida. Must be nice that

702
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.440
you get to wear Mickey Mouse. Here's every single place

703
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.480
that is actually legally required. You rich fascist?

704
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:29.440
Yeah, me from small town central Florida, I am so

705
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.119
they general.

706
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.360
From this guy that grew up in northeast Oklahoma. All

707
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.480
of Florida is Miami to me. Oh man, did you know?

708
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.760
I didn't go to Miami at all until I was

709
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.599
like nineteen or twenty years old. And it's because I like,

710
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.360
it was because I needed a It's the whole thing.

711
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:53.760
I was flying, the whole thing. I was flying to Santiago, Chile. Santiago,

712
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:55.920
Chile because that's where I started abroad. And I went

713
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.920
back to Florida first to see my mom and it

714
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.239
was so much more, like it was so much less

715
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:04.199
expensive to fly from Miami. And I was like, I've

716
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.360
never been in Miami, and she was like, let's go

717
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.679
to Miami. And it took us five hours to drive there,

718
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.719
because that's how far away Miami was from from where

719
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.960
I grew up. She was from, She's from she was

720
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.679
from South Florida. So she was like, i'aat pastries and

721
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.800
let's have some Cuban sandwiches. And I was like, I can't,

722
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:29.239
I'm a vegetarian. She was like, so anyway, what was

723
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:33.519
he saying? January ninth, two thousand and nine is when

724
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:38.079
it was released. It was directed by Justin Ridge and

725
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:44.159
written by Julie Siege, with of course Henry Gilroy as

726
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.599
series writer, in Scott Murphy a supervising writer, and Luca

727
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:51.480
is always there to give his thoughts randomly. What if

728
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.239
what if we tied them together?

729
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:54.960
They could be tied together?

730
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:56.440
What if they were just tied together?

731
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:57.760
They could be tied together?

732
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.760
Written by TV archaeologist Oh we wanted Anakin are now

733
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.960
hostages along with u q at Hondo and Augustan hold

734
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:08.039
on Florum.

735
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:08.880
We expected that.

736
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:12.280
Right, although I was like, didn't you switch out? It's fine,

737
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.400
they're now hostages. Delegate jar Jar Binks and Senator Carus

738
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.519
arrived with the ransom and a battalion of troopers, only

739
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.679
to find there is treason within the pirate ranks.

740
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:25.639
It's trees and then it's treason.

741
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:31.039
Then yeah, yeah, there's another pirate who's just like we

742
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.880
are going to get We're gonna get dish splode We're

743
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:34.320
gonna make.

744
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.039
Damn pirate. That sounds like Jason state them.

745
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.199
Yay, there's this how did this get made? But sorry,

746
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.760
keep getting distracted. I was very upset for thirty minutes

747
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.320
and now I'm like a little loopy. Sure there's this

748
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.559
how did this get made? But I can't remember who

749
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.400
was the guest, But it was just like it was

750
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.639
like the movie they were watching. Jason Stathum is in

751
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.159
it trying to sound like he's like American, but he

752
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.119
still keeps sounding British. And so the whole bit is

753
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.760
that it's Jason Statham Angelina, and it will just be like,

754
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.920
that's right, it's me Jason Statham Angelino taking the four

755
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:13.199
O five one O one on tears like oh fullip

756
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.440
and houses over and that would would.

757
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.880
Villasion so good? Glass had box.

758
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:26.760
Anyway, is this Jason Statham birt Ah? So he yeah. Anyway,

759
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.119
it was an episode, you know what. It was a

760
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:34.800
Shenanigan's episode where Anak and Obi Wan and are are

761
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:39.320
tied together by some kind of roupe, yes, and they

762
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:44.639
keep trying to escape and then getting caught, which is

763
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.280
so funny on paper.

764
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.960
First first impressions Gott to play the first Impressions, Theme songs,

765
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.599
theme song, First Impressions of the Gungan General on paper,

766
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.519
sticking Dooku, and again Obi want together with the big

767
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.559
honkin laser chain. Great premise for an episode. Great premise.

768
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:11.000
It's going to be nothing, nothing but character interaction, juicy, delicious,

769
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.440
maybe even reached some sort of tenuous understanding with each other,

770
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.280
even though episode three dictates that these characters must remain

771
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:21.440
in a form of stasis.

772
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:21.960
Right.

773
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.239
Uh, you like this episode a bunch? I mean, I'm not.

774
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.119
I mean I think this is your favorite episode of

775
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.800
all of Star Wars. You got me, this is It's

776
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.920
the last Jedi, is the gung in General.

777
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.480
Yep ten out of ten.

778
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.639
The Book of Fat then Empire.

779
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:48.360
Yeah, yeah, I had fun in the episode, and that's

780
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:49.079
the truth of it.

781
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:50.119
They could have.

782
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:56.079
Dove Dove Dove and Divin Dove farther into exactly what

783
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.559
you're talking about, which is like, actually, like if you

784
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.840
have these three people together, what does it really mean?

785
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:07.760
And mostly they're just sniping at each other. And there's

786
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:11.079
one distinct moment that I wish we could have spent

787
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:16.880
even longer on, which is like they like pull THEA

788
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.639
onto this onto this uh side of the wall, and

789
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.000
like Anakin's holding on, he's like supporting both of them.

790
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.800
And then the pirates shoot and Dooku starts to plummet

791
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:33.159
and Obi Wan saves his life and Anakin is like, hey,

792
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.400
just drop him. But that's it and that's the end

793
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.119
of it. And I think that that's more that should

794
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.760
have had more than that moment. These types of things

795
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.599
are actually far more fucking interesting than I think the

796
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.039
episode gave it time for.

797
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.000
Oh yeah, And that's my big criticism for this episode.

798
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.159
Sure, if there hadn't been a lot of if there

799
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.840
hadn't been a lot of other stuff happening, and I

800
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:57.360
don't dislike chargear.

801
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.519
Again George our antics, that's fine. But in the two

802
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.320
Jarjar episodes that we've gotten so far, hey, Jorjar has

803
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.320
been employed much better than he was in episode because

804
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:15.360
Felonio and crew are more capable filmmakers than George Lucas was. Yeah,

805
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.239
into the two episodes that we've gotten have been tonal

806
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.280
masses that have been detracting from something else that's funny.

807
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.400
I I just find it well for in this case,

808
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.119
my opinion is that what was going on with the

809
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.480
Ovian Anakin Dooku was very similar in tone.

810
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.239
What was happening with Georgiar and my actual desire? Yes,

811
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.079
am I, because I think they were fucking Shenanigans. They

812
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.519
were shenana getting all over the place. They were like

813
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.480
up and then they'd get out, and then they get

814
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:48.840
caught and they'd be like, now.

815
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.159
We're back in the cell. Sure it was tonally similar

816
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.239
in the sense that both of them were forced into

817
00:46:54.280 --> 00:47:00.320
tonal similarities. But like it's but one of those, one

818
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.480
of those plotlines have been taken out, then the other

819
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.440
one I would have had space for the character to grow. Well,

820
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.360
I would have been able to luxuriate in the feelings,

821
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.679
and maybe we could be like ah Doku, a noble warrior,

822
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.679
even though he is fighting for the side of evil

823
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.599
and his intentions now have been twisted for evil. Well,

824
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.960
I think there's a seed, a seed of what a

825
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:29.320
just man might be.

826
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:29.960
Right.

827
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.360
Instead, No, we've got charge r who's shooting stuff by accident.

828
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.000
I'm not I don't want to split hairs here.

829
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.800
Do it. I don't think that split hairs.

830
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.159
I think My my ask here is I wish they

831
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.360
had actually committed more to a tone, like to actually dive.

832
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:53.320
I'm with you, like they should have done more. I'm

833
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.719
not saying, but what I would I don't agree with

834
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:57.039
is the idea that like, oh, they.

835
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.000
Try to try to wish, don't he didn't. They don't.

836
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.719
They're not they're not matching tone.

837
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.800
Like I think swinging between the two would have been

838
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.119
fine because I actually, again, if someone who really liked

839
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:11.519
Bombad Jedi, I actually thought it worked to be like

840
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.159
because it actually I think it doesn't go the other way.

841
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.119
I think it affords more depth to the to the

842
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.840
Charjars stuff. Interestingly, with the charge Wars stuff. The fucking

843
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.280
senator dies, he's clearly very upset. There's a lot of

844
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.599
like seriousness given to it. The way that he's like

845
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.480
jumping around fucking things up actually feels like it's charge

846
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.280
are understanding his own like clumsiness and like making it

847
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.239
work for him, as opposed to it being like true

848
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.639
fuck ups. I think that like there could have been

849
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.519
I think you're right and that they should have spent

850
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:50.639
more time really digging into that trio and they didn't.

851
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.960
That was just like bandon Internet like and not because

852
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.840
of jar Jar, but because of it on its own.

853
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.159
It was that way That's what I'm saying, and it

854
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.000
should have been better.

855
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.800
So what you're saying is that I need to divorce

856
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.000
my expectations as opposed to what the episode is on

857
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:06.400
the page.

858
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:07.639
Yeah, I guess.

859
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:07.920
Yeah.

860
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.679
Also, I don't know why I'm defending Targe. Do I

861
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.679
just don't? I just don't dislike him as a character?

862
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.559
Do it defend jar Jar? I? Yeah?

863
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.599
Phil lamar in here, missing Ahmed, Missingmed? Do you please?

864
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.400
Yeah? I was finding I was finding the performance of

865
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.480
being like this is yeah, he's not he's not getting there.

866
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:33.920
But also what I'm at best is doing is so

867
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:35.119
extremely specific.

868
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.400
Yeah, it is extremely specific.

869
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.760
You can only do an approximation, which I wasn't even aware,

870
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.719
yeah until we got BJ Fields here, b J Fields right?

871
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.559
BJ Fields? Yeah.

872
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.000
Yeah, It's one of those episodes where I had fun,

873
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.440
and of course, on reflection, I'm like it could have

874
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.079
actually what a like opportunity that felt a little wasted,

875
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.360
like to really, instead of us griping at each other

876
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.719
and continually getting caught over and over again, why not

877
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.239
be like, whoa, what does this mean for us? And

878
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.599
really dig into that moment of like like, can you

879
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:18.679
imagine Anakin being enraged? With Obi Wan for saving Duku's life. Yeah,

880
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:19.960
how interesting would that have been?

881
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:21.519
The war could have been done.

882
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.039
There was a really like not true like I think

883
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:30.280
serious like if there had been a real, a real

884
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.880
tonal shift was at the very end when he's clearly

885
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.280
so fucking mad when he gets out at the end,

886
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.239
after all the power has been turned off because of

887
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:42.719
Jar Jar and he comes out to like get his

888
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.079
ship and leave a Dooku does and he just straight

889
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.159
up like force chokes that guy and like he like,

890
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.199
oh he takes the pirate. He force chokes and brings

891
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.119
him up, forces him to shoot the other pirate, which

892
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:57.840
I don't think we see that a lot right, Like

893
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:00.559
it was actually like the music was pretty scared, like

894
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.679
he was like the rage like and so it was

895
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.639
kind of wild to have a like Shenanigan's episode and

896
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.639
then to have this starkly like horrifying moment at the

897
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:15.960
end and then for that to be it right, And

898
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.440
I would have I would have I wouldn't have not

899
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.239
liked to have a whole episode of feeling that way,

900
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.639
you know, just like what does this mean for us?

901
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:24.880
You know?

902
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.679
Yeah, so you know what I'm with you? Whoa did

903
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.639
not expect that I had fun. Oh dear, I had fun.

904
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:36.199
Oh yeah, what do you do? Now? What am I

905
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.480
going to do? My entire identity was based into the

906
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.800
anger that I felt against an Aspen for liking this episode.

907
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.199
Now we've reached the comic agree. I still liked it.

908
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.199
Don't get me wrong. Well I didn't like it. Well

909
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:48.559
there you go.

910
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:49.760
No, we're back to disagree.

911
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.880
Bah brah.

912
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.239
You didn't like the Star Trek episode either.

913
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.880
I thought the Star Trek episode was pretty darn sleepy.

914
00:51:59.039 --> 00:51:59.960
It was weird, wasn't it.

915
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.920
It's weird? There are there are aspects of this episode.

916
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:10.079
The EmPATH that I adore, right, the fact that the

917
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.840
name the name one. I get to share it with

918
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.519
my friend asmin of it. Oh my gosh, not.

919
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.400
About La. Everybody should be about tel a hang out

920
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.519
with me. I let me visit first, Let me bring

921
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:30.320
all my friends to live with me.

922
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.519
Yeah. Uh. Number two? Number one, I get to share

923
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:36.360
it with one of my best friends in the whole

924
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:41.280
wide world. Ask me a webster. Number two. The whole

925
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.320
episode is one big black box theater.

926
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:49.039
It is. They put up black curtains so theatrical.

927
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:52.440
Which, funnily enough, in doing my research and reading These

928
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.119
are the Boy in the Season three by Mark Cushman

929
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.880
and Susan Osborne. Was something that was on the script.

930
00:52:58.159 --> 00:52:59.440
It's what she wanted the writer.

931
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:03.960
It's what she she wanted to before Joyce. Muscat. Yes,

932
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:06.000
was just a person that was working in TV.

933
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:07.760
YEPO in theater.

934
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.599
Yeah, yeah, worked. Wait what do you know about this episode?

935
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:14.760
I know that I know that she was a Star

936
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.599
Trek fan. She just got and she yeah, she was

937
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.719
working on TV and she was yeah, I mean that's it.

938
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.519
She was working at theater and she she made the

939
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.039
script and it was like inspired by the I like

940
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.239
an earlier story I remember the name of the story,

941
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.480
but like the idea and Egyptian mythology of like someone

942
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:39.719
speaking for the like judgment of someone else, kind of anyway.

943
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.920
Muscat was further inspired after reading about an ancient custom

944
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.000
of inviting a person to speak on the behalf of

945
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.480
another who was being judged yep, an early version of

946
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:51.079
a character witness, and that this person was known as

947
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:57.920
an answerer. It is apparently an Egyptian concept. She seemed

948
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.639
grad and also based off of the HG. Wells or

949
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.039
the science fiction novel The World collide right.

950
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.639
I think I got really excited because I find it.

951
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:15.199
I have found there is a pattern of women characters

952
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.800
being treated with a lot more complexity surprise in stories

953
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.079
written by women. So I was curious about it. And

954
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.079
I was curious about the sensibility of it as well,

955
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:30.679
because it was extremely theatrical. Yes, and the moment they

956
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.960
woke that woman up, the way that she like moved

957
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.480
and was like dramatic, I was immediately like, I'm fa,

958
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:39.800
I'm doing Fossy.

959
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.880
It's like because Aspen and I are friends in real life.

960
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:49.239
Upon watching this episode, sent me the video of Christen

961
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:54.920
Wig as Liza Minelli from Saturday Night Live Fossy. She

962
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.920
even looked like Liza Minellie.

963
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:58.360
So little short hair Wig.

964
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:08.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I felt it. Perhaps this is my

965
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.599
male gilt showing. But I was just like this, this

966
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.960
is I found this. The execution pretty sleepy. Sleep kind

967
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:21.760
of did the exact same beats several times, which is frustrating.

968
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.800
It is, and then you are teaching this character who

969
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:29.000
seems to inherently have empathy. Yep, even though that is

970
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:31.840
you know, it's the name of the episode. But this

971
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:35.719
character whose name Jim not to be confused with Jim

972
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:40.800
Jim no one, no one, no one. But also at

973
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:44.159
this point in production everyone was really sleepy because making

974
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:44.920
a star Trek.

975
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.920
Is hard, hard to make a star Trek.

976
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.159
And also the making of this episode was surprisingly difficult.

977
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.800
Right, and like went over a day or two.

978
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:56.159
Day and a half. Oh, I also saw this.

979
00:55:56.239 --> 00:56:00.559
It was because it was because uh, Shatner and Memoy

980
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.679
were being a little little twerps and they were like,

981
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.159
this is how you should direct this, and she's like,

982
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.800
go away, get it out of here.

983
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.360
Sure. This was also after at least with the contact

984
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:17.280
that was provided within the book. This was after Is

985
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:22.360
There a Truth No Beauty? The episode with Oh Boy.

986
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:23.119
The the the.

987
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.840
My goodness, I Am such a big start, the medusin Yes,

988
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.320
and Doctor Doctor Miranda Yep.

989
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.559
Another an episode I truly did like. And another one

990
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:35.920
where I.

991
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.239
Was like, oh wow, this episode and also fantasy, as

992
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.320
we talked about in our in There is There in

993
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.039
Truth No Beauty episode, Geene Roddenberry added the itdict to

994
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:50.159
sell more things through his things and so just according

995
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:53.840
to the book, Bill Shatner, that's what I call him,

996
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:58.960
and because we are, yeah, he's weird to be friends

997
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:06.719
with a ninety five year old Questrian. Anyways, I believe

998
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.719
that their hackles were raised and DeForest Kelly too, at

999
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.559
least according to the book, their hackles were raised enough

1000
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.840
because they were like, what's going We want this show

1001
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.199
to have a little bit of integrity.

1002
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.480
Yeah, there's a lot about the episode I did, Like

1003
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.159
I think I could tell. Sorry, it sounds like you

1004
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:26.760
found the quote.

1005
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:30.079
No you didn't. Still still scrawling look on your face.

1006
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:35.519
There, I could tell. And based on what I read that,

1007
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.599
like the writer of the script, like the script went

1008
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.840
through a lot of different shifts and changes. I would

1009
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.719
have been so curious to see what its original form

1010
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.920
was because my guess is her the path for Jim

1011
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.920
was made more sense, like in terms of what was

1012
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.599
being done. Yeah, that's my guess, because you're right, like

1013
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.880
it is a very strange and it's like it doesn't

1014
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:04.559
logically make much sense. Like you're just like, yeah, this

1015
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:09.880
character who has fundamental to her literal being is empathy

1016
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:13.159
for others, and they're like, we need to teach her

1017
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.920
and also prove and make sure for the sake of

1018
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:19.079
her entire people if they're worth saving, because we got

1019
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.519
a teacher that it's worth it for her to give

1020
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:28.039
up her own life for someone else, And I was like, what, Like,

1021
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:31.480
you can see how it has like the beginnings of

1022
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:33.599
such a good idea. And my guess is the good

1023
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.199
idea was there to start with and got slapped out

1024
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:36.760
of the way.

1025
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.000
Yes. The quote. Alan Bergman, who plays one of the

1026
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:45.280
two alien overseers, said delicious and describe Star Trek to

1027
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.360
a team. Given the minimal sets and the ludicrous pajama

1028
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.159
like costumes of the regulars, the episode was quite successful

1029
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:55.280
in text and production. So funny where he's wrong, counselor

1030
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.800
telling me where he's wrong, it's not pajamas.

1031
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.840
Oh so that's the other thing. The set, the starkness

1032
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:06.719
of the set. I really did like that. It was

1033
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.400
like a black box theater. I actually thought that was extraordinary.

1034
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:12.679
It reminded me a lot of the like that Old

1035
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.719
West episode with like the OK Corral one where it

1036
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:18.039
was like that one obviously was a much more interesting set,

1037
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.280
but was still very stark. It was very dream like.

1038
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:24.639
It was very strange. It felt like this episode felt

1039
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.960
like watching an extended dream ballet, which of course helped

1040
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.880
that she didn't speak, She just she was clearly like

1041
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.320
a clearly a theater like a dancer theater actor. From

1042
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.840
what I can tell, I didn't look up the actor,

1043
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:44.039
but she the way her movements to me were very studied,

1044
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:46.719
and it was That's why I made I mean and

1045
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.199
truly very exaggerated and fossy esque.

1046
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:49.639
Uh.

1047
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.239
And I just thought it was very interesting, like everything

1048
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.960
to do with her and her facial expressions, everything that

1049
00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:02.480
was focused on her was interesting as shit. That the

1050
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:05.480
core things got messed up. I didn't understand quite where

1051
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:09.840
we were going, but and but I was. I was

1052
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:14.159
definitely despite being sleepy, I was definitely like engaged.

1053
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.960
The whole time or some very interesting things.

1054
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:20.440
Because I was pretty horrified too, Like it's like watching

1055
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:21.440
a horror film.

1056
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:25.920
And like horror again, dude over here is like it's

1057
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.400
just a sleepy episode, not even processing the extreme amount

1058
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:33.760
of violence just because I feel so Oh I was,

1059
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:34.960
and that's unfortunate.

1060
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:36.280
I was deeply uncomfortable.

1061
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.440
And then also, I mean, the central lesson that they

1062
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.079
have to teach this person, they need to be willing

1063
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:47.480
to die, but you already have someone that seems immediately

1064
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.039
emotionally open. Yeah, feels torturous.

1065
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.440
Yeah, it's actually it's pretty it was pretty horrifying. I mean, yeah,

1066
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.920
it's torturous. It's horrifying.

1067
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.320
Again, you were the original ending of this had Jem

1068
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:08.239
just saving McCoy, and they changed they not Joyce Muscat,

1069
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:14.400
but Fred Freiberger and Arthur Singer and supervising producer Robert Tussman,

1070
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.719
and rod Berry had his hands in a little bit.

1071
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.519
I want you to know roden Berry was happy to

1072
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.480
know that another woman writer was working for Star Trek,

1073
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:27.039
and also the production was excited because she was not

1074
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.440
a member of the Writer's Guild, so that means that

1075
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:35.239
Star Trek saving money. And also the way that Jem

1076
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:40.280
was described in the initial version, the men are startled.

1077
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.400
The creature on the couch stands. It has the body

1078
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.480
of a girl woman clothed in a gossamer material that

1079
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.360
sparkles like diamonds, dead white skin, curled hair, and large

1080
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:53.559
expressive eyes that shine out against the white ness. That

1081
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.880
feels a little bit more Tim Burton esque, a little

1082
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:57.519
bit more chilling.

1083
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.119
Yeah, yeah, like she's kind of like a little creepy. Yeah,

1084
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.320
she's clearly trying to like make her less like Vassilene

1085
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.519
Lens pretty lady.

1086
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:12.599
And if we are because I think this is an

1087
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.400
episode that is doing a lot of telling you that

1088
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.679
the thing needs to happen as supposed to showing because

1089
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:22.320
Jim the character cannot speak, can't speak, I know just

1090
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:27.760
what she is thinking and have no reason don't tell

1091
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:34.000
me because it hurts but to start, even though it's simple,

1092
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.239
but it is an easy fix of just having this

1093
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:41.599
person seem more like an other. Yeah right, I mean,

1094
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.760
or I don't know, just make it like a sadistic

1095
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.440
general that you need to teach empathy to someone that

1096
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:50.960
is trained in war, or you.

1097
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.519
Start her out as a cold other that doesn't want

1098
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.920
to help, like you actually have a change for her.

1099
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.840
That is where it becomes confusing. I in fact not realize.

1100
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.960
I spent the first half the episode being like, why

1101
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:08.599
the fuck is she here? Because nothing is pointing toward her.

1102
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.599
You're just sort of like she must be part of this,

1103
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.440
And then finally they're like, she must be part of this,

1104
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:13.480
and I'm like, I know.

1105
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.280
The explanation of the why the episode is happening is

1106
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.119
within the last ten minutes of the episode, which is

1107
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:26.199
the problem whenever you're trying to stage functional storytelling. Yeah,

1108
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:30.199
don't mystery box it, right, Try and have your motivations

1109
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.920
laid up front. But also the arguments that we are

1110
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.039
positing have us trying to sympathize with the victory with

1111
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.880
the captors as opposed to the actual tortures experience that

1112
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.320
the that Jem must be going through, and then Kirk

1113
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:48.920
argues against because those folks have inherent both planets have

1114
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.239
inherent value.

1115
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.320
Yeah, yeah, I by if I were.

1116
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:01.400
Doing this, if you were writing the empathy.

1117
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:07.400
Yes, if there's a lesson for Jim to learn, like

1118
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.079
basically what I think there's a certain level of it,

1119
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:24.639
like rubbing me wrong, because that's an EmPATH I woo, No,

1120
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:28.519
I it's it's like you said, and like what what

1121
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.360
what can we assume based on this? It's like she

1122
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.960
already starts out like this is what they are as people?

1123
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:33.559
They like she.

1124
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:38.239
Starts out in terms of empathy, I think that was

1125
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:38.960
that an accident?

1126
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:41.719
Was that an accident? Are you just like happy to

1127
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:42.360
start talking?

1128
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.320
I am happy to start talking? Are you right? Folks?

1129
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:52.800
God Christ Almighty, go on, get it out, get it out.

1130
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.280
In terms of empathy, Jim starts out pretty much as

1131
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:59.199
an eight, and her only drawback is that she doesn't

1132
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:05.119
want to die. For someone else exactly exactly, which is

1133
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:11.079
exactly it's it's they're basically holding people hostage and being

1134
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:17.199
like they'll die if you don't die, yeah, which is uh, stupid,

1135
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:19.199
pretty stupid, pretty.

1136
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.880
Wild, it's pretty dumb. You're right, it's pretty dumb. Like

1137
01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:29.159
it it's and I think this is where it starts

1138
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.280
to like, let's as a person raised as like a

1139
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:38.400
girl in a world that expects that kind of level

1140
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:43.320
of like you have to be very aware of everybody's

1141
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:46.280
needs at all time and provide for them, like making

1142
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:51.079
her already like a woman or girl, she's like she is,

1143
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.519
she's presenting in this space, you know, like.

1144
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.320
And you're saying that she's a stone cold hotey.

1145
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:03.880
She looks like my yeah, she like to even start

1146
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.000
there and to then have so much expected, that much

1147
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:10.599
more expected of you, like put it into like a

1148
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.599
current state translation of it basically to say, and I

1149
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:15.800
feel like we see this a lot with see with women,

1150
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:17.960
with girls, see it a lot with mothers.

1151
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:19.119
Right, It's like you.

1152
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:22.400
Should literally be willing to kill yourself, like to die

1153
01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:26.320
for someone else, to like destroy your entire life. And

1154
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.280
it's not because you are a good person or morally

1155
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.519
good it is because like that is your duty. Like,

1156
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.519
and so I think the whole, like the whole structure

1157
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:40.639
of it feels like it is leading towards that, And

1158
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.280
it can't be dissociated from the fact that she is

1159
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:44.840
like a delicate woman.

1160
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.840
Yeah, it's crunchy. That's a crunchy premise to begin with.

1161
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:54.280
Mm hm Yeah. And also there, just as you're saying

1162
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.039
that there is a possibility of something very delicious within

1163
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:05.719
that kernel, just you can't unlock the potential within What

1164
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:12.159
would happen if this woman's self sacrifice, inherent self sacrificing

1165
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:15.159
nature was pushed to the authomat test for the survival

1166
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:20.760
of her species, right, But it's from the perspective of

1167
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.840
Kirk's block and McCoy or yeah, the easy fix just

1168
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:26.519
put it through her viewpoint.

1169
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:30.039
I was gonna say, when you experienced the terror, Yeah,

1170
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.679
I mean that is like, god forbid we have it

1171
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:40.559
from that person's perspective. Like it's like the same thing

1172
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:44.159
of Ranberry being like, well, good, we got another lady

1173
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:47.480
just for the sake of having old lady. Yeah, as

1174
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:50.559
opposed to like, well, what is the actual experience that

1175
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:53.119
she's going through? How would she feel about this as

1176
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.079
opposed to as being a thing that's talked about for

1177
01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:58.440
the purposes of these other stories.

1178
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:06.360
Yeah, it's it's frustrating. Also might just be baked into it.

1179
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.679
But also there's just belittling things that I'm pretty darn

1180
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:14.719
sure came after subsequent revisions. For instance, they wanted to

1181
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:21.159
literally make her hotter. Justin Bob Justman, supervisor producer, says,

1182
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:23.760
I feel Jim as described in the story outline, will

1183
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:25.960
not be as physically attracted to the audience as she

1184
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.760
ought to be. I think she ought to be ethereally

1185
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.880
beautiful and saint like in her quality. She should be

1186
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.840
gentle and pure and good and sweet and virginal and

1187
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:34.840
keep a kosher house.

1188
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.920
Yep, yep, saint like, saint like and virginal.

1189
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:44.840
Okay, then you have done. That's stupid, Bob Justment dumb.

1190
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:47.479
Though his little his little mustache that he has is

1191
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.920
really cute. It really is.

1192
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:52.560
Buck is mustache.

1193
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:59.239
Whoa. And Also that's just like bad storytelling because you're

1194
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:04.159
starting the character off already. You're already the character, yes,

1195
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:09.880
but the journey you are hiding the journey of this character.

1196
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.319
You're going what is going on yep, you feel bad

1197
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.600
for her whenever she is suffering, and then you find

1198
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:18.319
out what the function of that suffering is. And then

1199
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:23.600
Kirk defends her as opposed to and Kirk being a

1200
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.000
slam dunk Allen being like, Jim, what do you want

1201
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.920
to do? And Jem is easy fixed, Jem speaks, even

1202
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.239
though that could be ablest in itself because you don't

1203
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.600
get very mute many mute characters serious.

1204
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.600
If she's like an impath, why doesn't she like he

1205
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:41.560
touch him and he can like feel what she's feeling

1206
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:43.960
or thinking, like why not go the other way? It

1207
01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:47.039
doesn't have to be speaking. I genuinely thought that's what

1208
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:48.079
it was going to be.

1209
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:48.560
Like I was.

1210
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.319
It was, Oh, I'm sorry, does this not happen this way?

1211
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:52.479
She only.

1212
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.479
The journey. The journey should be You don't have to

1213
01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:01.279
self sacrifice, Yes, it can be. What they are doing

1214
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:05.960
to you is not adequate. Instead, Kirk does argue for that,

1215
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.520
but it's Kirk arguing as opposed to being like for her,

1216
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:09.800
what do you want?

1217
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.079
Why couldn't she have grabbed them and translated that to them?

1218
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.920
Of like, the lesson she actually learned is like like

1219
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.960
we should be inherently valuable, But it doesn't.

1220
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.640
Feel like the episode is about No, it's not about

1221
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.119
about that torture. It's it's about Kirk, Spock and McCoy

1222
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:31.960
continually getting hurt. Yes, and Jim has to be like, yeah,

1223
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:33.760
I mean it's not folks that aren't watching me on

1224
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:37.880
the YouTube channel and walking up like the she touches

1225
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:43.239
she touches them and the special effect. Oh, it actually

1226
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:43.960
is really good.

1227
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.560
It's like like whatever, like scars on them, she takes

1228
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:49.520
it onto her body and then it goes away.

1229
01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:50.920
Yeah.

1230
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:54.119
Yeah, she has no agency and therefore it has no

1231
01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:56.520
I mean, she's sort of does, but she doesn't actually personally,

1232
01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:58.800
it's just an it's just for the story.

1233
01:10:58.520 --> 01:10:59.960
And the plot. It is.

1234
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.399
You're right about our boys who are also once again

1235
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:06.039
doing what they always do. They are also aren't changing,

1236
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.039
like they're like, well, of course we'd sacrifice ourselves for

1237
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:09.439
each other.

1238
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.000
Well, and you're like, Okay, a pretty good scene where

1239
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:16.159
they are trying to fight over who is going to

1240
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:19.720
go get sacrificed. That is a great scene and Spock,

1241
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.720
but what's the different about Kirk is suffering from the bends,

1242
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.039
which is such a weird specific detail that I really

1243
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:30.760
really liked. I didn't like that too, and I wish

1244
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.960
would come up other times that they are deep in

1245
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:38.520
deep in the core of a planet. Ye, But then

1246
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:43.079
Spock and jax Kirk, no, McCoy and jax Kirk with

1247
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:44.960
the thing so he can get over the bens. That

1248
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.079
means that Spock is in command. So Spock makes the

1249
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:49.800
call to go sacrifice himself, and then McCoy's like in

1250
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:53.359
a pig sign and shoot Spock. And then McCoy goes

1251
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:56.399
to make the sacrifice. And then we get the closest

1252
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.840
that we ever get to d Kelly being Tariliss.

1253
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:05.159
Oh yeah, I was like, wow, Wow, what cut his shirt?

1254
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:12.880
What cut his shirt into those chains? Those chains he

1255
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.600
was hanging from? Oh? Gotcha, gotcha? Gotcha? God?

1256
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.760
I here, okay, here's a question I want to ask.

1257
01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:24.600
Oh gosh, I love answering questions.

1258
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.720
What here we go is like, what are they defining

1259
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:31.600
in this?

1260
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:32.840
Okay?

1261
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:35.640
This is a thematic sort of moment here, like of

1262
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:38.359
what in terms of like what are we defining in

1263
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:42.720
terms of empathy or like in that episode, I.

1264
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.560
Think the bottom line thing that our villains, the Vions

1265
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:53.079
are going after, as Jim can signify that her race

1266
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:56.399
is worthy of saving if she allows herself to die

1267
01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.920
for these strangers. Okay, that is empathy, That is empathy

1268
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:05.359
through that notion. Yeah, that means that every person on

1269
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:09.079
that planet should be willing to sacrifice their own lives

1270
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:11.359
for someone else, no matter.

1271
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:14.199
What, no matter what, which makes them worthy of saving.

1272
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.479
Yes, as opposed to the selfish ask that they are making,

1273
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:24.000
as opposed to just making our call because it's it impossible,

1274
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.800
they should just you should just save them because it

1275
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:30.439
is life, right right.

1276
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.600
I mean, I think the sort of weak thing that

1277
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.439
was brought up is like, well, there are multiple planets

1278
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.520
that we could save, and we have to decide which

1279
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:39.880
one is worth saving, and.

1280
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.760
Let's just make more trips. Yeah, but also that's not

1281
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:46.119
the function. The function of this is a moral quandary

1282
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:53.279
that is actually, I think, at the end, an unjust artificate,

1283
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:57.399
an unjust Yeah. A question that is being opposed to

1284
01:13:57.399 --> 01:13:57.840
this to.

1285
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:02.039
Jim, what do you how you identify empathy?

1286
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:07.560
Like, how do you describe it? You sense other people's emotions,

1287
01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:10.720
you feel, you feel with people?

1288
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:17.079
You yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think of empathy, you know,

1289
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:20.439
there's that sort of prober neighborwn ask like description of

1290
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:24.720
like the sympathy versus empathy, where sympathy is could be

1291
01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.560
like a, oh, I'm feeling I see that, like you know,

1292
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:32.000
I feel I'm sorry that you're experiencing this pain. Empathy

1293
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.600
is sort of like the ability to put yourself into

1294
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.880
someone else's place, which I think they are actually Interestingly

1295
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:42.479
enough in the episode, the like strongest signifier of that

1296
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.680
is the like I literally am taking on your physical

1297
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:52.479
malady Like It's almost like the truest manifestation of empathy

1298
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:54.479
that I like, I'm like if you were to say

1299
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:56.960
to me, like I'm having a bad day, like sympathy

1300
01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.319
is like, well, I'm sorry to hear that, versus like

1301
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.920
me being like let me hear about your day, and

1302
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.279
like I when you say like, well I got into

1303
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.800
an argument with a friend, I am like, I know

1304
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.319
the pain of having an argument with a loved one

1305
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:14.920
and how that can feel that way even if I,

1306
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.000
like have never had it. I could be like, well,

1307
01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:19.119
I know the pain of feeling scared that I might

1308
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.520
lose something or whatever it looks like right like I

1309
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:25.840
am I am like present in this with you as

1310
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:28.479
a form of like my own like I can feel

1311
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.920
like this feeling that you feel, and that is that

1312
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:36.560
kind of distinction of empathy. Here's where I'm here's my question.

1313
01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:38.720
I appreciate that clarification.

1314
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:41.199
And that's that's just me. It could basically anybody, Like

1315
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:44.359
I'm sure other people have different definitions, Like I think.

1316
01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:50.880
I think empathy is pie. Yo, tell me more apple

1317
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:58.399
pawe pumpkin pie, blueberry pie. Wait, if that's what empathy is,

1318
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:02.199
what sympathy cake?

1319
01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:13.840
So my next leading question is liked, at the end

1320
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:14.239
of the.

1321
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:16.680
Gungan general of its here we go.

1322
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:22.119
One, there is the the move that there's the move

1323
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.760
that obi Wan makes to save you Ku, and then

1324
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:27.640
there's also the move at the end to not like

1325
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:32.239
take the pirates end to not like arrest Hondo, to

1326
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.520
be like hey, like we have no more quarrel with you,

1327
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:36.600
We're letting you go.

1328
01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:38.319
And also just the.

1329
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:43.439
General like idea of Jedi and like the like, well,

1330
01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:47.159
we have compassion. It's like explicitly said textually of like

1331
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:51.159
it is important for Jedi to have compassion. So I guess, like, then, like,

1332
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:53.359
what's the difference between.

1333
01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.920
That even though obi Wan didn't save the other prisoners.

1334
01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:58.000
Right next to Annago.

1335
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:58.800
Oh my god, my god.

1336
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:01.520
Yeah, well that seems very cools go. But also this

1337
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:07.279
episode is with things that strike me as the Jedi

1338
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:12.359
have to be this powerless because the plot dictates right,

1339
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:16.479
because the rules to the rules wildly vacillate of how

1340
01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:21.399
powerful the Jedi are. That's I truly think that that

1341
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:24.560
is fine, because what are you going to do? Whatever?

1342
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.720
But and also whenever the episode is not working at

1343
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.359
an emotional level for me, then I start going into

1344
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:34.560
those logic plot holes.

1345
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:35.319
Of course.

1346
01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:37.520
Yeah, I'm the same way.

1347
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:39.239
I'm like, well, if you're not actually proving it to me,

1348
01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:42.119
then I'm preoccupied with the fact that, like other things don't.

1349
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.840
Work because I just think that the episode just was

1350
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:46.279
not there but.

1351
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.720
Badically so so are is what you're saying, Like it's

1352
01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.319
kind of a moot point because like it didn't kind

1353
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:55.960
of make sense, like the kind of compassion that he

1354
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.760
was presenting, because it felt like it was more for

1355
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:01.840
a plot as opposed to anything that was emotionally oriented.

1356
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:05.800
Yeah, because it definitely felt like it was moved because

1357
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:07.520
we need to have an ending of the episode as

1358
01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.239
opposed to an extension.

1359
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:12.319
Like the saving of Duke.

1360
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:17.039
Why include that because it's great I have. And also

1361
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:20.680
it's a micro moment as opposed to a big character beat,

1362
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:23.319
because that's the structure of this episode. I think it's

1363
01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.279
just a lovely detail that indicates character.

1364
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:27.479
Well, that's and that's what I'm getting at. I would

1365
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.119
argue that Obi Wan you would. I would argue that

1366
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:39.239
Obi Wan is a fundamentally compassionate person. I think probably

1367
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.439
what Obi Wan and other Jedi are missing is like

1368
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:44.439
an engagement with real empathy.

1369
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.640
Yeah, he's not a fundamentally compassionate person, or at least

1370
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:52.399
maybe he's a fundamentally compassionate person within the context of

1371
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:58.399
Clone Wars. But this one line, I undo your entire

1372
01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:03.399
Erard okay in red to Obi Way, why do I

1373
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.439
get the sense we picked up another pathetic life form?

1374
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.279
Well, he was also, I mean, I think there's also

1375
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.279
a space for them for he is a character to

1376
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:16.479
grow as a person. I think he becomes more compassionate

1377
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.600
over time. I think the older he gets. I think

1378
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:19.800
he was a dumb old, dumb dumb.

1379
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:23.199
Then do you think that Felony will ever make a

1380
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:29.359
cartoon show that bridges episode one in episode two? Maybe

1381
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:34.279
why just seeing more Obi Wan and Anakin?

1382
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:37.680
Maybe I actually wouldn't hate that. I do love their relationship.

1383
01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:38.159
I think it's a.

1384
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:43.520
Little boy and becoming. Yeah, the compassionate person trying to

1385
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:49.079
become person as opposed to the more hard edged obi Wan.

1386
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:53.600
And I say that extremely lightly because the textual examples

1387
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:57.319
of how we get Obi Wan and episode one are

1388
01:19:57.800 --> 01:19:58.600
so threadbare.

1389
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:04.560
Yeah, I mean, you didn't watch all of the Kenobe's show.

1390
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:10.680
That's the show be Kenoby showby that's an extremely empathetic

1391
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.880
or not empathetic still, actually that is an empathetic Kenobi

1392
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.439
as opposed to like like. I think he is really

1393
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:21.159
like But I think the reason he is able to

1394
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:25.000
tap into that is because of I don't think this

1395
01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:26.840
is necessarily true. I don't think you need to have

1396
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:31.600
like experienced trauma to be an empathetic person. By any means,

1397
01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:33.680
you don't have to even have experienced like the pain

1398
01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:36.239
of someone else to get to like be like be present.

1399
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:39.880
You can find like it's But I do think by

1400
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:44.199
that point Kenobi has gone through a very huge change

1401
01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:49.840
in that he felt like he failed everyone and he

1402
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.479
has survivor's guilt, and I do think it is easier

1403
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:57.840
for him to tap into a real ability to like

1404
01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:00.479
feel a similar type of pain to others people.

1405
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:06.239
So let me say this, well, okay, okay, at the

1406
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:10.880
end of this week's episode The Gung in General, starring

1407
01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:18.159
George Arbinks as himself, Yes, yeah, it is tactical compassion. Yeah,

1408
01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:20.680
I think that's all we want is employing. That's very

1409
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.000
true because it's definitely a political move because you absolutely

1410
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:27.239
would get the support of the Jedi to be like,

1411
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:29.960
you're going to bring these people in that poisoned you

1412
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:35.319
off camera? Yeah, yeah, absolutely do that. But he's making

1413
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:39.840
a tactical point to be like, just be aware that

1414
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:44.920
we're compassionate. You're right, and do do is going to

1415
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.000
come back? You're right.

1416
01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:51.239
But I do think I do think that is not

1417
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:53.199
to interrupt your point, but I actually do think that

1418
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:59.520
is the one of the character flaws of the institution

1419
01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:02.560
of the Jazz, which is that it's like, it's not

1420
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:07.039
actually real compassion. I'm like, it's it's a sort of

1421
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.800
approximation of for political purposes.

1422
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:17.319
Sure, yeah, yeah, but the episode isn't necessarily interrogating that

1423
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:22.199
so much as it is. And I will repeat focused I.

1424
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:25.159
Was interrogating it. I'm here.

1425
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:27.159
That's because you're a smart person.

1426
01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:28.960
It's because I'm an empathetic person.

1427
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:34.119
What what I have never once seen you share someone's emotion,

1428
01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:38.520
not ever, Okay, not even within this earlier episode.

1429
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:45.279
Okay, all right, all right, if that's what you think,

1430
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.000
that's fine. Oh he looks so concerned.

1431
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:50.960
It's interesting to think to talk about these notions of

1432
01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:54.760
empathy within the context of Star Wars and Star Trek,

1433
01:22:55.239 --> 01:23:00.720
where I don't know, both episodes have their own frustrations. Sure,

1434
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:06.239
Star Trek is interrogating something I feel an aesthetic level

1435
01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:09.359
just to say my catchphraise, and Star Wars is just

1436
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:12.520
kind of focused on having shenanigans, which is absolutely fun.

1437
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:16.039
Just get frustrated in this situation. Yeah, but not always.

1438
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:21.399
Yeah, so often it's really truly like having a conversation.

1439
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:28.680
I think we've proven that now with many examples. Don't

1440
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:36.319
look at you like that Star Wars is better.

1441
01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:43.000
Star Trek is better. You as you Walla Sean, you.

1442
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:47.319
Gotta bleep that.

1443
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:50.479
What do you say episodes having common aspen.

1444
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:52.319
I mean, that's what I was trying to get at.

1445
01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:54.319
Sure you're trying to you're trying to bring it home

1446
01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.560
before our next segment. Yeah, I was trying to one.

1447
01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:59.720
And it's like less of commonality, more of a like

1448
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.479
what are the levels of like what we recognize as

1449
01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:08.479
human connection and empathy, sympathy, compassion for what purpose? Like

1450
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.800
driving pieces of it.

1451
01:24:11.079 --> 01:24:13.479
I mean within the paradigm of Star Wars versus Star Trek,

1452
01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:15.760
at least within the version of Clone Wars. And perhaps

1453
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:19.439
that's an extension of the uh Dave Filonius and George

1454
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:23.439
Lucas's worldview at this point in time. But perhaps compassion

1455
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:26.680
is a little bit more tactical as opposed to how

1456
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:28.760
it is in Star Trek, which is that compassion is

1457
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:34.079
a basic that you start. You start from the baseline

1458
01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:38.319
of everyone is compassionate. Yeah, at least when the paradigm

1459
01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:42.119
of Star Wars in a post nine to eleven world,

1460
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:49.199
Perhaps even your heroes deploy compassion in ways that are disingenuous. Yeah,

1461
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:55.840
they have to. I mean, even your heroes from episode

1462
01:24:55.880 --> 01:25:01.560
one on are flawed at their core.

1463
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.399
I got I got a little secret for you. Every

1464
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:12.439
time Kirk, Captain Captain Kirk, or Romance as a lady lately,

1465
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:14.880
except for in some not every time, just a few

1466
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:21.720
times now, it has been tactical compassion. It does a

1467
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:24.399
lot of fucking tactical sh I'm just here to say

1468
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:28.800
that perhaps the utopian world of Star Trek is not

1469
01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:32.239
so utopian. The world itself, the earth below you might be,

1470
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:37.399
but the the militaristic structure of the Federation.

1471
01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.800
Isn't wait has been. Don't don't take the applause button

1472
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:43.479
away from me. Please don't do that. Oh I stole it.

1473
01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:47.399
I came into your bedroom a thousand miles away and

1474
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:54.319
I hit the button. I'm here to scorch earth.

1475
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.960
All your faves are problematic.

1476
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.399
Excepts Night. It's a perfect show in every single way.

1477
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:05.920
You know what. Faes aren't problematic, but.

1478
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:09.479
A long time ago.

1479
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:11.439
Start dating this week.

1480
01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:16.239
I quoted a boat, I dated a geek, but none

1481
01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:23.199
of them could warp my drive into higher space. The

1482
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:27.000
best of both worlds kept me in the second place.

1483
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:35.359
Captain slog on a halla kron. I wanted a song.

1484
01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:40.399
I penned a song. Seventeen more minutes advise.

1485
01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:41.880
In super high def.

1486
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:52.840
Aboard the USS Enterprise dt F. Don't you take my

1487
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.880
walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my wretchered

1488
01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:00.680
buddy and nip it? If you spill it, See, I'm

1489
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:01.720
gonna sip it.

1490
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:05.720
Starship it great.

1491
01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:11.439
Time for us to name our favorite chips that fly

1492
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.960
through the stars and our favorite ships that fly through

1493
01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:22.840
our hearts. Wooshohom, I have a first ship that is

1494
01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.319
not a ship. It's actually a vehicle.

1495
01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:25.119
Here we go.

1496
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:26.520
It's a moving vehicle.

1497
01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:27.520
It certainly is.

1498
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.319
It is the sculptors.

1499
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:33.319
Oh, those little rhino delos.

1500
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:36.800
Those Rhino Delos from the Clone Wars episode The Gung

1501
01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:41.359
In general, I loved them.

1502
01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:45.359
I loved them so much. I saw them. I saw

1503
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:47.840
them bouncing on the horizon during the episode, and I

1504
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:50.239
wrote down and I circled it, and I'll try and

1505
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:52.359
put it up on the cameras for all to see.

1506
01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:55.640
I said sheeps, you said sheep. I was hoping that

1507
01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:57.680
we were going to get some space sheeps this week.

1508
01:27:57.880 --> 01:27:59.159
You got space rhinos.

1509
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.000
Instead, we did with you know, I don't want to,

1510
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:07.119
don't don't want to, you know, great rhinos. So we

1511
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:09.199
didn't talk about the fact that there's acid geysers.

1512
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:10.960
Oh they are acid geysers.

1513
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:13.439
Yeah, there is, like there's acid guysers, but also there's

1514
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.840
mist in the air, which would imply that there's acid

1515
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.319
hanging in the air, which means that the atmosphere. Don't

1516
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:19.199
think about it too much.

1517
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:19.880
I won't.

1518
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:20.840
I don't listen.

1519
01:28:22.279 --> 01:28:25.079
Yeah, it's it's a fun little bit where they like

1520
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:28.319
hide in the geyser and then Charge is like those

1521
01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:31.199
beasties when they run, we have to run, and then

1522
01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:33.920
you're like okay, and then I immediately run. You're like,

1523
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:37.479
got it. That guys was about to blow a very

1524
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:42.000
clever though connection with the natural world that our Gungan

1525
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:42.840
general has.

1526
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:48.600
Uh yeah, I don't know.

1527
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.159
They're just really fun. He's just like, I have an

1528
01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:57.279
idea classic classic Charge are because so they ride on

1529
01:28:57.359 --> 01:28:59.960
the back of them. But then the pirates start shoot

1530
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:02.079
at them, and I got really anxious. I was like, ope,

1531
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:04.359
they don't hurt the rhinos. But then I was like,

1532
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:07.000
I bet they have a really really thick skin, and

1533
01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:11.000
I bet be Okay. They're so nice to help, you know.

1534
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:16.359
I love them.

1535
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:19.680
That's mine, I asked. And I'm gonna need to call

1536
01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:23.000
in a favor from you, as the Star Wars expert.

1537
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.079
I wrote down. I wrote down because I don't know

1538
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:29.960
what the actual word for it, and it didn't say

1539
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:35.279
anything in the Filoni Zoni the bombbat clankings, Oh oh.

1540
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:37.560
The clankers, what were they?

1541
01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:41.960
They these big honkin tanks that look based off of

1542
01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:45.600
some pre existing ships in there and then also mixed

1543
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:48.159
with for some reason, I want to say in Apache

1544
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:53.840
helicopter and big honkin tanks that the pirates were flying

1545
01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:57.319
in on the ground, they were very, very cool. They

1546
01:29:57.319 --> 01:30:00.199
were very enjoyed them.

1547
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.600
I do not know what they are called, right, and

1548
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:13.079
we can we can look it up later, because I

1549
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.720
really liked them too, and I just yeah, I just

1550
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:18.399
don't know what they are. We'll have to look them up,

1551
01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:21.359
but we can call them bob bang clinkers for now.

1552
01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:24.279
I believe they are called the w l O five

1553
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:29.359
speeder tank cool because I typed them bomb bag clankings

1554
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:32.920
in Duct dut Go. I was presented with the episode

1555
01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:37.159
with with the you know, with the thing, the speeder tank.

1556
01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:38.960
Gosh, it does look so cool.

1557
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:40.479
It's a very pirate tank.

1558
01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:41.960
Pirate tank.

1559
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.239
Whenever you say that out loud, aspen pirate tank, that's

1560
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:47.479
very cool. You know it's cool pirates. No one else

1561
01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:50.680
is cool. Tanks plumped together get a cool piece.

1562
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.880
Of hardware, bricking and tank. A repulsor tank with heavy

1563
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.119
armor and weaponry used by week Way Pirate game. I'll

1564
01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:57.840
bring out of the backworder plane of florum. So this

1565
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.560
is this is what they use. Yeah, and they don't

1566
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:02.399
talk about it on the Filoney zone in terms of

1567
01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:03.960
but like, I wouldn't be surprised, but what you're talking

1568
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:07.600
about is true that they like borrowed visual components from others,

1569
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:10.159
And I guess you could also assume that they themselves

1570
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:15.920
probably pieced together from other uh, from other like things

1571
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:20.760
like other equipment that they've probably pirated for sure, which

1572
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:23.359
is cool. I love that as a concept.

1573
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:27.000
Speaking of a hirted aspen, what are your favorite examples

1574
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:30.680
of getting booty?

1575
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:40.399
Oh jeez, Louise, my fun goofy answer is gem and therapy.

1576
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:45.359
I even had a dumb answer like that in a while, though.

1577
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.239
I just feel like she's gone through a lot, and

1578
01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:51.159
you know, when you're a truly empathetic person, what you

1579
01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:53.359
have to do is you have to really develop some

1580
01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:56.319
strong boundaries of what how much of your energy you're

1581
01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:58.399
giving out and kind of stuff.

1582
01:31:58.479 --> 01:31:58.680
You know.

1583
01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:01.239
So like perhaps I'm like therapeutic work would be really

1584
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:06.000
helpful for us, and I really I really ship that, sure,

1585
01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:13.439
but my real ship is Obi Wan and Doku.

1586
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:20.640
Let's go to the board, Palpatine, Dooku, Yoda Doku, dou

1587
01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:25.880
greet it, no Obi Wan and Doku good job asmen.

1588
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:29.079
Thanks. I just think that there's I think it's the

1589
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.039
equivalent and maybe all three of them, but I think

1590
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:32.920
Anakin was like a little out of this one. I

1591
01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:35.319
think it was definitelyn Obi Wan Douku thing. It's the

1592
01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:38.319
equivalent of the like the the like oh no, there's

1593
01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:44.600
only one bed, like we're tied together by a laser rope.

1594
01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:46.800
I do wish that we had gotten that scene where

1595
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:50.079
they needed to go to sleep yep. And because it's

1596
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:54.119
smacked up in the two thousands, there is some pretty

1597
01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:56.720
big lines of homo eroticism, but at the same time

1598
01:32:56.760 --> 01:32:59.439
they're like, actually this feels kind of nice.

1599
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:05.960
Or sorry, homophobia not homo I wish, well, you know.

1600
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:07.439
You wish that there was homophobia.

1601
01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:15.640
I wish it was, oh, weirdly hand in hand in

1602
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:23.000
different ways. Ah, people are weird. Yeah, that's mine all right,

1603
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:25.479
under sniping at each other, you know, I like those

1604
01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:26.520
enemies still nevers.

1605
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:29.119
It's so interesting that you said Anakin was out of

1606
01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:31.159
this episode because my ship for this week, and I

1607
01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:33.680
wrote this down in my notebook, was Anakin and Douku.

1608
01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:37.439
Well, what I mean is.

1609
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:43.039
Why. Here's why Anakin says so many things that seem

1610
01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:47.840
to just irritate Doku. Yeah, and I think Doku is

1611
01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.640
so irritated by it. But at the same time, it's

1612
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:54.319
very is that he kind of wants a brat. Yeah.

1613
01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:57.399
Well he sees how powerful that little Brad is and

1614
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:03.039
it's like, I don't know, maybe I could use him,

1615
01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.439
Maybe he could be Braddy at me. Oh my god,

1616
01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:10.000
like he's so against it. But at the same time,

1617
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:11.560
he's like, you're petty a little bit, aren't you.

1618
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.520
It's true. I guess you're right. I was thinking of

1619
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:20.560
a different sort of like I don't know, a different

1620
01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.800
type of dynamic and Ana can. I'm still so caught

1621
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:25.880
up in the catching him. I'm still so caught up,

1622
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:30.159
and it's just like drop you know. Yeah, anyway, it's nice.

1623
01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:32.760
It's nice. I feel I feel a touch, like we

1624
01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.439
ignored Star Trek. Maybe I can also ship those two

1625
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:36.199
weirdo dudes.

1626
01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:42.239
See I you can reminder, we're about to exit this segment,

1627
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:47.000
so you can only make one more change. Maybe I'll

1628
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:47.920
ship them instead.

1629
01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:49.119
I can do.

1630
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:52.479
You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna say, oh, we want

1631
01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:53.359
to do coup for later.

1632
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:56.199
Probably you know what, that's a good you know what,

1633
01:34:56.319 --> 01:35:01.640
Let's let's ship these two guys this you know what. Okay, Yeah,

1634
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.079
let's let's say it this way, Okay, because I need

1635
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:08.359
to give star Treks some attention. They're here, they're like

1636
01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:13.399
doing all these experiments. You can only imagine. They're like

1637
01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:18.359
down there a lot, like long hours, like who knows

1638
01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.439
if there's any more of them. In my mind, these

1639
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:24.039
two are more than coworkers. They air lovers.

1640
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:24.840
They're co people.

1641
01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:29.479
They're co people, you know, and like it really pains

1642
01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:32.800
them to have to really do these types of experiments,

1643
01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:36.239
you know, and like wait thirty minutes to reveal why

1644
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:40.079
it's really rough for them. They probably like after this situation,

1645
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:46.680
we're like, wow, Fred, the other ones like Tom Lal

1646
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:50.000
and Sam Fred Tom, that's not.

1647
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:53.399
What I said at all, Freddrick.

1648
01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:57.079
Thomas, They're like, it's really rough, you know, I think

1649
01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:59.439
like doing this kind of work. And then Thomas is like,

1650
01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:03.159
yeah it really is. Then I gosykeasy.

1651
01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.279
So that's instead all right. Well, now that that's locked

1652
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:10.960
in and the segment is absolutely done, let me play

1653
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:17.479
my exclusive segment is done sound effects, we get to

1654
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.520
the central premise of this podcast. Right now, we have

1655
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:24.399
been dilly dallying for an hour and a half, two

1656
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:26.279
hours if you're listening to the Patreon version.

1657
01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:29.279
Yeah, well for what's twenty minutes of that was us

1658
01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:31.800
being very angry about something else, entirely.

1659
01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:33.600
Completely angry about nothing else.

1660
01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:40.760
But let's not let's not dilly dally, no serious shift.

1661
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:44.880
Serious stop as we try and find out which one

1662
01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:47.720
is better Star Trek or Star Wars by ranking the

1663
01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:51.079
Mpath from Star Trek the Original series, season three versus

1664
01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:54.000
the gun in general from Star Wars the Colon Wars

1665
01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:58.439
season one. And I will go first, starting with the EmPATH,

1666
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:01.960
and I am going to give this episode a five.

1667
01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:03.159
Wow.

1668
01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.439
I found it quite sleepy. I found my attention wandering.

1669
01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:09.880
As I said before, we kind of cycled the same

1670
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:16.159
beats over and over and over again. It's unfortunate. It's

1671
01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:18.800
also frustrating that there is a better episode there. But

1672
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:20.960
I try to just take a thing as it is

1673
01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:23.520
as opposed to how I want it to be, and

1674
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:27.640
how it is is pretty darn dull, with a lackluster

1675
01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:32.840
central message ye that we've definitely seen in other Star

1676
01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:35.319
Trek in a more potent form because you don't make

1677
01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.279
it about this other character. You make it about our

1678
01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:46.479
central characters learning that they're secretly racist. What we'll get

1679
01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:46.840
to it.

1680
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:53.640
Oh, okay, I'm gonna go five point eight because while

1681
01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:56.439
I agree with you and you kind of you talked

1682
01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:58.560
me into this, a little bit more might have given

1683
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:05.279
it a little bit higher. I really think it is

1684
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:08.560
elevated in part by doing something a little different in

1685
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:11.520
terms of like the production of it.

1686
01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:15.880
The production design is extraordinary. I adore it. I wish

1687
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:21.319
that more shows would push it to be this strange. Yeah.

1688
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:26.359
At one point, we Kirk is looking out onto something

1689
01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:30.279
that we do not see, and the lights just suddenly

1690
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:35.239
turn on as if he is finally seeing something. Yeah,

1691
01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:37.560
it is straight up expressionism.

1692
01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:40.119
It's very cool and I like it, and I like

1693
01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:43.520
that I forgot not name, but I liked the main actress,

1694
01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:45.960
the one who does play Jim.

1695
01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:47.159
She Rule.

1696
01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:49.920
You can tell that she was like, what a what

1697
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.239
a wild character to get to play, Like, what a

1698
01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:55.960
very expressionistic thing to get to do, and to like

1699
01:38:56.079 --> 01:39:00.000
make this very theatrical and dance kind of like very

1700
01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:02.560
instability to kind of feel to it. And so I

1701
01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:04.760
think that's what gets it higher for me.

1702
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:08.640
But everyone's talking true, you're talking about Catherine Hayes.

1703
01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:11.560
And Catherine's lover, she was wonderful.

1704
01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:15.640
Uh, that can't be possible.

1705
01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:19.960
Five and a five point eight.

1706
01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:25.279
What's that I'm saying? Six point two six six six. Oh,

1707
01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:27.640
that's that's the devil getting into Oh you know what

1708
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:32.079
it is, averaging B and C column. I supposed to

1709
01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:35.359
just t yeah, Oh, I'm going to need to change

1710
01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:36.399
some stuff on the spreadsheet.

1711
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:38.279
Uh. Oh, it's a five point four.

1712
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:45.159
Yeah, it's a five point for but it's still anyone's

1713
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:48.600
game aspen. Yeah, we move over to the Gungan General

1714
01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:50.319
and I will rank it first, and I think that

1715
01:39:50.399 --> 01:39:54.840
I'm just going to give it a four point five.

1716
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:57.359
Okay.

1717
01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:01.960
Oh, And that's just how feeling this week. Sure, that's

1718
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:07.640
how I was feeling about it. Too many Shenanigans, which

1719
01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:11.399
I find with Shenanigans. But the Shenanigans didn't feel all

1720
01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:15.199
that special. There's nothing new about the Shenanigans. It was

1721
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:18.920
just shenan against for Shenanigan's sake. I felt pretty uninspired.

1722
01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:21.920
And what adds to my frustration is that there's a

1723
01:40:22.039 --> 01:40:25.880
very inspiring thing. Actually, both plot lines have something very

1724
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:30.680
inspiring jar Jar possibly taking agency as opposed to like

1725
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.560
bomb bad Jedi, where he kind of he does become

1726
01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:36.000
slightly redeemed, but that's a little bit of an accident

1727
01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:39.279
as opposed to him making the purposeful choice here to

1728
01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:43.800
represent There's a wild somber scene that George really liked

1729
01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:47.760
and wanted to include, which is whenever the senator, the

1730
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:51.119
other senator on the ship dies, jar Jar has a

1731
01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:53.960
funeral and is quite somber about it, and I think

1732
01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.319
that that is touching. Yeah, and it indicates a greater

1733
01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:01.840
emotionality that is only hinted that and never really seen

1734
01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:05.680
for the rest of the episode. And then similarly, having

1735
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:11.039
didn't even talk about the start of the episode, which

1736
01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:14.600
completely disregards the brilliant ending from Duke to Capture where

1737
01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:17.479
they're just like, just happened, and then you start the

1738
01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:20.960
episode and turns out uh An and Obi Wan we're

1739
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.840
not smart like you just saw. They were actually stupid

1740
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:25.479
and got poisoned anyways, so.

1741
01:41:25.319 --> 01:41:27.640
It was kind of wild, Like I was like, Okay,

1742
01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:31.319
what happened like this? Anyway? Yes, that's dumb, and I.

1743
01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:36.560
Don't like that. A fun fact is that.

1744
01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:40.039
You learned too from the felony Zoni is that there's

1745
01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:43.039
a little easter egg, and that the staff that the

1746
01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:47.279
senator had that that Jarger kind of puts into the

1747
01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:52.800
pile his death file is the staff from Raiders of

1748
01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:53.439
the Lost Ark.

1749
01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:54.520
It is fun.

1750
01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:58.279
The staff you know that I forgot it's called. But

1751
01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:03.239
the one that Indian takes into the like that underground

1752
01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:05.920
space to identify the stuff is stephf Raw is the

1753
01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:06.600
stuff for raw.

1754
01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:07.840
Yeah, it's fun.

1755
01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.079
It's just an eys dragg. It doesn't mean anything. And

1756
01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:11.199
I think that's cute.

1757
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:16.079
That is cute. I enjoyed it very much. Six point

1758
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:20.319
four two minutes later or six point.

1759
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:25.560
Four, Yeah, everything's true. I also liked it. I liked

1760
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.920
it more than you. I had fun. I think that

1761
01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:31.640
there is a touch of I like the agency of

1762
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:34.239
I liked little. I liked. It's one of those where

1763
01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:35.880
it's like not more than the sum of its parts.

1764
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:39.239
It's like, yeah, for something, it's like the pieces of

1765
01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:42.760
it were really fun as a whole could have been more.

1766
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:47.800
That brings the total to five point four five for

1767
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:51.399
the Gong in general versus the MPs five point four

1768
01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:55.079
and what could be argued the slimmest victory by a

1769
01:42:55.159 --> 01:43:00.199
margin of point zero five has been satisfied. That Star

1770
01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:00.840
on the Week.

1771
01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:04.479
I didn't mean to do that. I meant sixth I.

1772
01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:06.880
Meant that Star Wars one is the week.

1773
01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:08.520
Oh my god, barely.

1774
01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:13.319
That's wild. It is wild. I mean it's an empty victory,

1775
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:17.439
you know, but a victory is a victory nonetheless.

1776
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:23.439
Yeah, you're like, yep.

1777
01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:28.720
Guess you won? Did it aspen? Great job?

1778
01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:33.119
It's all me I would say, especially at a situation

1779
01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:36.199
where we do, in fact give it scores. There's no

1780
01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:38.199
object objectivity at all.

1781
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:39.279
That's absolutely correct.

1782
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:42.039
I'm like, oh my god, I won? Oh my god,

1783
01:43:42.119 --> 01:43:48.079
how did it happen? I was for what it's worth,

1784
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:49.920
going to give it that no matter what.

1785
01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.359
Sure, but certainly we don't make this show in a vacuum.

1786
01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:56.720
And well, we can give each other accolades, so too,

1787
01:43:57.159 --> 01:44:00.680
must we give those accolades to our fearless patrons, of

1788
01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:03.960
which we love them so much. And for five dollars

1789
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.119
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1790
01:44:06.119 --> 01:44:08.600
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1791
01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:10.880
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1792
01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:15.800
the podcast. So nice, It is pretty nice. We just

1793
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:17.840
want to say your name, because we really like you,

1794
01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:20.600
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1795
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1796
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1797
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:35.279
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1798
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:38.000
and ending theme was composed by mister tosin Awa FeSO.

1799
01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:41.079
You can get more of his work in the show notes.

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01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:43.520
Just click on the link that is right next to

1801
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:46.479
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1803
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1804
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1809
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1810
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:09.199
makes faces such as this.

1811
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:13.680
Wait wait wait wait wait.

1812
01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:20.359
Yeah, sorry audio listeners, you can't see that. You gotta

1813
01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:23.399
find it at YouTube dot com, slash at trek Wars

1814
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:28.439
Aspen as always. I freaking love you so much. Love

1815
01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:32.399
you and listeners, We freaking love you. Thank you so

1816
01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:35.159
much for listening. May the Force be with you and

1817
01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:36.279
live long and prosper.

1818
01:45:57.079 --> 01:45:59.119
You know what I miss a is Moopsie. You even

1819
01:45:59.159 --> 01:45:59.880
played moops.

1820
01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:04.479
You know what? I played it during the episode I forgot.

1821
01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:08.159
Have you seen Alien Romulus yet?

1822
01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:08.800
No?

1823
01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:11.079
Can you see it so we can talk about it?

1824
01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:11.439
Fine?

1825
01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:13.760
Yes, Okay