The Gamesters of Triskelion vs. Battle for the Sunstar

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
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Trek Wars Podcast, also representing the
Star Trek side with me as always is

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the legend themselves aspin Webster, if
you are a poor what are we portion?

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Were pushing the soup? We soup? No, we're never. We're

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never going to be soup. We
could be pies. We could be pikes,

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we could be ice cream. Never
yeah never, I never never soup.

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Oh no no no, we're not
souper boys. No, we could

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be pie boys. So if you
are one portion of a pie, I

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am the other portion of the pie. It's a half an HALVESI situation,

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and one half of the pie is
bad pie because it's Star Check and my

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half of the pie is good pie
because it's Star Wars. Aspen Webster,

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Uh, that takes a lot of
skill to try and make us into pie

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boys pie boys. And this week
these two pie boys are getting into games

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games. As this week we go
over the gamestress of Triskellian versus Battle for

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the sun Stars. But I think
it's time that we acclimate our home viewers,

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people that are playing the home version
of the Track Wars podcast, by

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regaling them with synopsis to get them
present on what the heck we're talking about

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this week, because chances are folks
probably didn't watch Battle for the sun Star

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with us this week. I'll wants
their name is Jolty partner. Ah.

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So the Battle for the sun Star
just Battle for the sun Star. Yeah,

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in this case released December sixth,
the nineteen eighty six, we're almost

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into eighty seven? What a year? Am I? Right? Yeah?

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Wow? Wow? Director Dale shot
and written by Paul Deny, as is

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custom in this case, as is
custom, as I believe his credit a

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supervising story editor on E Watts.
Right right right, here is our synopsis.

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So, an imperial scientist who in
this case I will just name him

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is doctor Ragar. An imperial scientists
steals the SunStar, are with plans,

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secret plans to overthrow the Emperor,
Emperor Palpatine, as it were, Wicket,

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Nissa Letara and Tibo Sneak aboard a
star destroyer to reclaim their prized stone.

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And they sure do, they sure
do. We go to space,

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not only so, there's even a
whole bit. He steals the sun Star

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by a first like abducting them and
attacking the village, and it is a

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lot. And then yeah, they
end up in space to get it back

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and they save the day. God, what a great time. Oh so

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good. Okay, I defer to
you, but is it as good as

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the gastres of Triskellian Credited writer Margaret
Arman and director Gen Nelson, aired January

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fifth, nineteen sixty eight. What
a good year? Good year? Yeah,

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feeling good? Sixty years, sixteen
years, notoriously good year. Notoriously

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no one was assassinated in sixty eight? Yeah? Uh. Steven H.

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Shower from the Tvkey Previews synopsizes it
as does a good entry. Tonight,

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Captain kirk and two crew members use
the transporter for a routine landing, but

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that wonderful machine suddenly fails them.
They simply disappear. While the Enterprise wanders

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through the galaxy looking for them.
Kirked and his party are experiencing an intriguing

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adventure on an unknown planet where the
inhabitants do nothing but fight at the bidding

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of their masters or providers, who
enjoy a wagering on the outcome of these

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games. Yeah, it was fine, No, it was fine. Sorry,

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it's fine. No, I see. Look, we are in our

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first oppressions, first oppressions, and
as thus, I think that's dustly there.

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Uh, trus an adequate episode that
happened to begin. Here's what it

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has a beginning, middle, and
an end. Yes, narrative structure.

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Kenny tell me, can you can
you give me something to help me right

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now? Uh? This episode was
written by a woman, as always a

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white woman. Uh. Can't go
any farther than that. Uh. And

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that does not necessarily mean that it
is making any good statements about gender or

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relationships by any means, though it
is uh nice to see since so few

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people who aren't white men wrote these
episodes write a lot of start Yes,

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this is goes part and parcel with
a backpadding kind of liberalism. That is

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one of the joys of being a
Star Trek fan of being like wow,

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so progressive. And also Margaret Armand
the credited writer for this apso I keep

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saying credited writer. She she put
in the work on this episode. This

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episode in reading from the Years of
the Voyages TOS season two from Mark Cushman,

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this episode went through a lot of
revisions, but we'll get into that,

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into the deeper dive. That was
going to be my question, Mark

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Margaret Arman, Uh, I believe
me second credited female writer on Star Trek

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period. That and DC Fontana.
Yeah, and I love my I love

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my girl, Dc. No.
I think every time I see something and

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then it feels frustrating in a few
different ways, I always wonder if it's

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because of revisions. Again, not
not necessarily to say that white women are

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by any means saviors of good quality
television, or sexism or whatever it might

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be. First impression of this episode
though, is Maura Hourah always better?

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Yes? Yeah, I believe I
would give it points just for that,

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just to see her get to do
anything at all. Also stealing this observation

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from these are the Voyages. Who
is paying attention to this show in such

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a granular way. I believe this
is Hora's third away team mission. Yeah,

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we've got sitting on the edge of
forever, We've got this episode and

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mir or mirror, mirror, mirror, Oh right, she does get She

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was pretty great in that one as
well. Yeah. Yeah, I enjoy

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anything with Maura Horah. I think
that she is incredible. Yeah, you

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know, I think even just generally
speaking, I love it when she's around.

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I think she's has this like graceful
yet very like strong presence that I

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find just very engaging. Whenever they
give me for Nachelle Nichols to chew on

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as a horror not only rises to
the challenge but surpasses it, especially considering

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how erratically that they can write a
horror or she can just be like a

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shrill, emotional woman that's incapable of
doing anything to a strong human who is

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using her assets to gain what she
needs, manipulative, whatever she needs to

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be smart, strong, capable,
but very often it's just reduced to haling

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frequencies are open. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. So that's I will say,

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kind of our first impressions. I
was very much left with that.

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Also, you know what, here's
another really quick thing I want to note

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about this episode. The more I
watch original series, I know intellectually that

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William Shatner what was the piece of
shit? The more I watch him,

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the more I absolutely adore every performance
he gives here is so well because it

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was something about this episode, and
I think it's because of just all the

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campy elements that are attached to this. But just watching this episode, I

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am like Shatner is one million percent
committed. He loved working on Star Trek.

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He very much enjoyed it. He's
a dream in this He's hot,

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He's like delivering lines with intensity.
Like there's the whole Shatner joke of the

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way he speaks is Kirk, and
I just find it to be compelling.

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I find him to be compelling,
and he feels committed. He feels like

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he truly believes in it. Shatner's
acting style is indicative of a theatrical style

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that was starting to go out of
vogue at the time. Yeah, it

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feels honest. It is absolutely part
of what makes Captain Kirk work. Yes,

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Shatner is mid to late thirties at
this point in time. Look at

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hot without that shirt, ma dude. Yes, and absolutely fabulous in this

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role. Absolutely fabulous in this episode. Rather it could be very silly.

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The villains are brains in a jar, yeah, which, but Shatner never

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feels like he is checked out.
He is committed to the performance. I

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mean, everyone is committed to the
performance. You know, I guess later.

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It's funny that you say that.
I imagine, Yeah, he was

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a stage actor, right, yes, uh, not to skip to the

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end already, but I have a
sneaky suspicion that Star Wars may win the

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week because Battle for the Sun Star. Yes, yes, actually in great

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episode. Maybe if for the fact
that this is just like water in a

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desert and she's really excited about the
spaceships. And also the conflicts are so

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strong here. They are dealing in
very strong archetypes. We have. The

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steaks are incredibly high. It feels
dangerous and terrifying. Yeah, we've got

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Doctor Regar looking like being the Merciless, actually looking like those guys in the

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Emperor's Throne room in Return to Jedi, which is a fun piece of continuity.

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They've got Admiral Kaz, who's a
mid level Empire manager who's like,

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this questify the Sudden Star. The
Sudden Star doesn't exist, You're a fool

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kind of thing, which is a
classic. The Doctor Agar even name drops

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the Emperor. Oh oh, oh, there are stormtroopers. Never thought I'd

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be so excited. I never thought
I'd see so excited to see those little

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mouse droids. Yeah, and I
think it just it's a clean, simple

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episode moves at a clip. How
all of our characters, the Steakes feel

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large. I don't know, it's
good. What do you want from me?

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Jeez? Wow. More than that, I'd say, like, can't

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you just give me something a little
bit more excitement? I will I will

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dare say dare. One of the
fun things about watching Ewoks is the show

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finding itself, finding its own footing. Where season one the animation was outstanding,

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but both of us were just like, I'm not who which character is,

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which we kind of know who Wicked
is, but the like the characters

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weren't really formed. And then season
two comes along, Bam, they're locked

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in. We know who these characters
are, right, And then honestly,

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I feel like this is the episode
where we lock into, Oh, this

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is what this show could have been, which is nature versus mechanical, right,

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right? Not every show, you
know needs to fall into these clear

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tropes. And also maybe it is
just the fact that we recognize the Star

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Wars specs of it. And also
there is something that could just be very

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thematically clean about this TV show where
the Ewoks are representative all the natural,

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all of the good, all the
light, and then Empire evil mechanical coming

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in even from just a shape of
show as because Ewoks has consistently been a

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show that's been looking for villains,
maybe not necessarily looking for villains, it's

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more just like we're playing in a
big sandbox and we're exploring end or the

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show can be whatever it wants.
And also it's had this running arc throughout

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the back about the sun Star and
the Moonstone, remember the Moonstone, but

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then they combined it. Well,
this is unlike Droyce, which was surprisingly

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serialized. This show has had the
SunStar rolling in the background every once in

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a while. Yeah, the SunStar, especially in the second season. Yeah

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yeah, so it start comes to
the front and then we've got clear villains

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with the Empire, yeah, which
makes sense. Yeah, people have been

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trying to take the sun Star for
a while now. That other cool witch

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bitch who made the Snowy Snowy guy
Ice Cold. Yeah, her other people,

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the spooky Dude, Spooky Doo trying
to take it. Loved that Spooky

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Dode. Just trying to name them
all, but yeah, they have all

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been trying to get the sun Star, and sooner or later we were going

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to we should have gotten. Yeah, someone from the Empire, a bad

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dude from the stars trying to get
it. Even if it just wasn't imperials,

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it could be warlords, crime lords, something that embodies the mechanical.

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So there is a clear there's just
something image wise for a show that has

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pointed towards twelve year olds que for
you. Maybe you don't know the answer

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here. Droids had one season,
this said two. Do we know if

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part of the production of this if
when I mean, I imagine they would

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know that Droids was like canceled no
more second season and Ewoks is just going

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to go on independently because I guess
I'm thinking about the experience of going between

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the two Ewoks to Droids meant that
it never felt like I was lacking in

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Droids felt like it was fulfilling the
mechanical versus nature a lot, because they

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would go to planets where that would
be representative and then there would be the

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mechanical that would try to destroy or
take over, and then so it felt

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like that was sort of filling that
gap. And now we've just had straight

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indoor world and we've had none of
that mechanical space, and I was just

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I don't know. I was like, maybe there's something in the production that

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they didn't do that because it would
have been a place taken up by droids.

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I don't know. I truly don't
know, because I have gotten through

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at least two oral histories of Star
Wars in looking for literature about droids and

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ewoks, because I want to know
what the heck is going on, because

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this is such an undocumented part of
Star Wars, like Lucas had his hands

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in these. Yeah, this is
still lucasfilm. This is slapped with the

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label of Star Wars. This was
the only visual Star Wars that we got

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between eighty three and ninety seven.
H Hey, I appreciate. Do you

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think when those kids were watching TV
while eating dinner they were like manned gamesters

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of Chiskellion. What a great episode. There is something that is very visually

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appealing about this episode. It's actually
very cool. Is there is something about

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that? Bay ask? This is
a serviceable episode. This is a fine

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episode. Yeah, beginning, middle, and end, let's get into it.

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I don't really know the production history
at Battle for the Sun start,

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but I know what the production history
of Gamestress of Triskellion is. Margaret Arman

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was a housewife that worked her way
into TV. That's right, love you.

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So she got married, she went
to university in California, got married

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at twenty two, had a family, and just the way that I understand

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it, just kept writing and started
writing short stories and stuff into publication and

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then at some point wrote her way
into writing TV westerns. Oh oh what

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a queen. Absolutely yes. Then
took a meeting with Roddenberry or rather Jane.

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Which one was it. It's one
of the Jenes Bear Jenes, feel

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like it's rod and Berry. Either
way, not really important. What is

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important is that she took a meeting
with the Star Trek had hot jos whatever,

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and they were like, she's got
the goods. This episode will work.

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And so began the long process of
writing and rewriting and rewriting and rewriting

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and rewriting and rewriting for this episode. This episode went through two show runners.

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I believe, Ah, yes,
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that NBC had ordered an initial sixteen
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Trek. They had put this episode. They were working on this episode,

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but it was not initially committed to
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two additional episodes. This is whenever
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was overseeing things, and the two
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to feel this transition as we're bouncing
between two showrunners, Gene Kuhn and John

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Meredith Lucas. The John Meredith Lucas
episodes are just kind of less. They

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look like Star Trek, they act
like Star Trek, they have all the

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Star Trek characters, but there's that
intangible element. Does it like Season four

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Community exactly exactly as interesting? And
I think we've already noticed this with the

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episode Obsession. Remember that episode?
I deleted it, Moby Dick. Oh,

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I remember, I remember Yet in
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Machine earlier. I already done better, Mobi Dick. Yeah, another John

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Meredith Lucas episode. And I'm pretty
sure that we've been bouncing around between Gene

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John Meredith Lucas in between these,
and we could probably tell the differences every

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time. It's good it's Gene Kuhn. Yeah. Wow, I should have

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been paying more attention. I I
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more attention. Anyways, this episode
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gene Kuhn was tired and he was
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not going to do this anymore.
Rotten Berry is not here because Roden Berry

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was also working on another pilot and
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Same my dude. And then when
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oh, you made I mud in
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these two comedy episodes, No,
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and Genekun just kind of got tired
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you know what, I quit,
Oh my god. And here John

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Meredith Lucas, who gene Kuhn,
was like, you want to run Star

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Trek. John Meredith Lukes like yeah, I love science fiction. John Meredith

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Lucas, And that's why this episode
feels this way. How do you how

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can you find out? How can
you find out who was in charge of

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each one? I'm literally reading the
book. Oh okay, well, what

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are fort a weird flex? I'm
looking at I AMDB. I'm not looking

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at it right now, but I
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I know, I know you like
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Okay, that's cute for you.
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did a whole bunch of work on
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go back to the beginning of this
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the white woman aspect of it.
I would like to know a little bit

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more and see if I can add
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Ah. Oh, I think I've
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I'm always torn a little bit,
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I just think that we always just
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someone who is in the minority is
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that it will be necessarily more progressive. And I think bringing up the white

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woman thing is because oftentimes there's still
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script got to be the show versus
how much of it was rewritten or pushed

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or shifted or like. There are
just certain things that I was like,

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I'm so fucking not into this,
and some things that I was like,

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for instance, I truly loved Kirk
kissing Shanna, Shanna Shawna. Shawna.

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Kissing Shaanna and then punching her was
all of the funniest things I've ever seen

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in my life. But you know, there's like little bits in there of

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once again powerful women who are taken
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talk so much about Kirk Drift,
and I'm like, here's a great example

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of how that's not Kirk Drift.
Kirk is just this person, you know,

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romancing women but also kind of doing
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you know, a goal that happened. There's just other pieces that feel very

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cruel. There's that bit about the
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I it's like a joke that he
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her voice sound deeper so she sounded
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but she was still thin, but
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kind of had the like, oh, like it was a joke that like,

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Kirk gets this hot lady and he
gets this like disgusting creature. I

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was like, I don't not having
a great time right now. I don't

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know what I'm getting at I just
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do question. To answer your question, those things were baked into the script.

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additions from either Koon or John Lucas
or Roddenberry. Actually the original version from

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Margaret Armant was a little bit worse
politically, Oh tell me more. And

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also it's about slavery. It is
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don't know, it feels reckless.
It feels like a reckless episode that feels

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like maybe it's saying something and it's
not. Maybe that's what I'm Yeah,

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sorry again, go on, just
to keep reiterating the trauma Star Trek,

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the backpadding of liberalism, of being
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spartaca sy that's true. That's true. I think this was just interested in

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that interested in exploring themes of humans
in captivity. And I think the thing

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that I circled and wanted to talk
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just pull up the quote that Roddenberry
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is the thing that resonated with Roddenberry
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and Jars are yep, the keepers. They had to turn back, They

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had to find action and excitement through
other species, just as in today's world,

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many of our males find themselves prisoners
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and so on, and find their
action and adventure vicariously through the Saturday

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afternoon sports programs on television. Really, the two situations are quite similar,

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equating the men of the nineteen sixties
with the Brains and Jars and the thing

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that excited me most, connecting it
with the meta narrative of where Roddenberry is

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Roddenberry constantly battling the network because he
loves fighting the network. He wants to

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be seen as a visionary. He
wants to be seen as a great man.

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Sorry, I'm finding myself so bored
by him, just with listening to

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you talk about it. Not bored
by you or the conversation, just bored

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by him. Please go on.
This is the lovely thing poking holes in

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the Star Trek meta narrative. Star
Trek a progressive TV show. Gene Roddenberry

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just another white dude, that happened
to be in the right place at the

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right time, got power right.
I'm so bored. I don't give a

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shit. Jean fuck off. Trapped
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Sorry, Please go on Element and
Important, because I've been talking at length,

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and it's really easy to talk about
the great Man narrative that's associated with

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Roden Barrett. And also it's exciting
to do this in kanjunk on with Star

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Wars and conjecture with a great man
narrative that George Lucas purports as well.

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Yes, true, very true.
He also bores the shit out of me.

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Do you think Pauldini, it's like
working on Battle for the sun Star

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and he's just like, I'm a
great bird. Get out. He's like,

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look at me, What a guy
he's like. In this episode,

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I would say that the scientists desire
to capture the sun Star and defeat the

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Emperor is a lot like what it's
like to be a man in the late

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eighties, where you feel trapped by
the capitalistic structure, but you have to

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be part of it to be a
provider and be strong. Also, I

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am high on cocaine, but it's
cocaine from San Francisco. So it's like

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cocaine, all natural cocaine. I
feel like Paul Deini and probably the folks

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and Ewoks were just like, we
get to play with the Star Wars toys.

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Yeah, crack their knuckles in the
lake. Cool, here we go.

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That feels very lovely and authentic and
fresh to me. It's like,

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I like the idea of also playing
with toys and being able to explore universe

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and have fun. Well, hold
on, let's do our deep dive.

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The Star Wars e walks. Here
we go. Now we're back battle for

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the sun Star. Yes, we
get to meet our friend. Pt.

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Twenty eight. Oh oh, is
he the little droid baby? Yes?

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I love the little joy baby.
He was straight up wonderful because they're abducted

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by the mad scientist doctor. Uh
wrote it down. I was about to

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say Cagles, doctor it is No, it's ray Gar, doctor Cagles.

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They call him that. Now.
Doctor Cagles straight up is like, I'm

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gonna kill your friend if you don't
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And he's straight in. So it's
like, here's where the sun Star

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is, and like we just hope
that they can protect and then they he's

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like, okay, cool, I'm
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then they're kept. They're trapped there
while he is stealing SunStar down on indoor

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below. We get to see some
awesome magic from low Gray, which is

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fab but he saves them. He
lets the mountain escapes with them, and

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I just loved him. He was
my best friend, I said, I

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love this little troyd. He was
stolen from his master. I will actually

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say a lot of my notes hurt
me just going doctor Ragar Dog, Electric

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Empire, Admiral Kaz and then I'm
like actual ships and lots of exclamation works

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in question works. It feels like
everyone is excited to be playing with Star

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Wars again. Yeah, which is
fun. Also, the episode start like

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a Star Wars movie, yes,
with they have the pan, Yes,

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it tilts up to end Or and
we see a ship fly overhead, so

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fabulous. It's very exciting and it's
very exciting and you can you can feel

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it. And then one of the
biggest laughs that I probably had in a

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very long time with this podcast.
They're doing Imperial stuff and Empire and we

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see ships and it's cool, and
then a hard cut to Wicket Latara,

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Tibo and Nissa, and they're gone, we gotta carry these berry for the

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Kubas, and I'm over here just
going. Paul Deane is a writer of

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lots of esteem and also if someone
was wanting to make fun of ewoks,

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they would be going, well,
we got to take the changing over there

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for Master Lobway. It was really
great listen to jing jangberries, jing Jang

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bears, jingberries, jing jing Jang
bearry ing kanberries. Nissa says, you

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have to do nice things for people
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later, and I went, yikes, yeah, she's a kid. She's

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a kid. She's like, if
we help these baby birds, and then

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the baby birds just like kick her
out of them, which was very funny

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to me. I was like,
that's what you get for proposing a transactional

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relationship. Just do nice things.
Yeah, that was extremely funny. Other

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very funny moments are they've got this
ship that they used to get back down

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to Endore and then to get back
up. Latara is just like, it's

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easy to fly, you just sit
on it, and she just jumps up

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and it sits on it, and
then once again she does it before anybody

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can get on the ship, so
it's just the kids again. So the

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kids have to save the day once
again. Kids on bikes, Kids on

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bikes my favorite style of story.
How does this episode resonate to you in

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terms of the kids on bikes trip, I would say, well, that's

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the analysis. Analysis is they they
literally safe, Like the stakes are so

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extremely high they're almost murdered. It's
not just like I mean, which I

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feel like there's been a risk before, but it feels terrifying, like they're

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almost squeezed to death, like shit
happens. They go back up to the

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space station or they go back up
to the ship. It's like a literal

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imperial ship and it's terrifying. Uh
So, I think from a perspective of

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like storytelling, it's the strongest you've
ever had in terms of, Okay,

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these kids are doing it. They're
doing it alone in a very dangerous situation,

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and it's still very funny, but
it feels very dangerous. So and

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I'm a big fan. I wish
I could dig into deeper themes with this

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within this episode, but this is
just such an adventure episode. Yes,

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Star Wars first adventure first. The
biggest themes are nature versus mechanical. Please

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respect the natural order of things because
you don't need all of these fancy dancing

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machines. Yes, and uh is
it that straightforward? Perhaps because I don't

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necessarily think that there is a danger
in the fancy dancing machines. It is

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in of course what we do with
power, because the whole concept, right

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is like they have the sun Star, which is magical, it has a

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real it has a real Indiana Jones
thing by the way with it, where

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it's like there's always this like sort
of like weird scientist working for the Nazis

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who's like this dial of Destiny or
the Arc of the Covenant, which is

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inherently magical, is going to like
help in the war. And then all

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the Nazis are just like that's some
stupid shit, you know. They're like

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that's not real. Sounds like magic
silliness to me. And that like happens

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in this episode, like you know, like these Admiral caaz Is just like

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when he fails, he's like,
like the sun Star never existed. You

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were just doing this to try to
you know, to mutinate. And so

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that's just on aside because he you
know, the sun Star is this force

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for good for the Ewoks, it's
the force probably it is the Ewoks it

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is it helps with protecting their village
and keeping the you know, power and

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the magic of like the trees safe. Everything about it, right, which

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is community harmony? I guess with
the land and then taking that and using

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it to make a weapon that will
destroy life. So it's like maybe it's

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like, yeah, destruction versus nurturing
of earth and people. We love thinking

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about that in conjunction with our foreign
strepid heroes giving back to the environment by

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carrying the berries yea to the and
the empire varies to the technology as a

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visual metaphor for man's attempt to control
the environment by perverting all of these elements

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into something controllable, right right,
Yeah, oppressed controllable, sort of reduced

403
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:05.679
to their component parts of what will
just be functional for me, as opposed

404
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:14.440
to having any inherent value or worth. So yes, because are ewoks are

405
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:21.079
good? They're good getting into misadventures, also helping PD just try and get

406
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:29.639
out. Yeah, well they help
each other. Little PD stolen stolen from

407
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:35.239
his original owners and used by the
Empire. I was expecting them to tie

408
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.639
it in somehow. But I'm really
glad that we never found out who PD's

409
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.519
owner. Oh yeah, I just
yeah. I was like, don't but

410
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.519
even to see the way that he's
treated, because when they return back up,

411
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.480
he's like, Okay, I've got
this plan. I'll say that,

412
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.679
like you stole me and then we're
back and then you can do the thing

413
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.159
to get this on star. And
they're just like you're wifeless because you allowed

414
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.719
yourself to be captured, you know, And it's just it's like, my

415
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:07.400
god, yeah, Christ Almighty.
The empire sucks. It does I've got

416
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.400
I've got a hot tache. A
empire's as Tell everybody I said it,

417
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:19.559
tell them it was me. Are
there any larger thematic things to talk about

418
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.119
in regards to Battle for the SunStar? I wouldn't say. I don't know.

419
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.400
I was. I was with you
where I was like, this is

420
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.079
just some fun adventure. I was
like, we are, dare I say

421
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:36.440
it in trouble again? But the
exact same thing about the exact same thing

422
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.679
you did. I loved some droids
was a big mean droid. There's a

423
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.239
nice little sweet droid. There's there's
uh that you walks dressed up as droids.

424
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.320
It was very funny, a lot
of good humor in the episode.

425
00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:01.280
I loved it. There is there
anything else you love? Oh? You

426
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:06.679
set me up for something? Mm
hmm are you set me up for something?

427
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:13.119
I am okay, try it.
Don't you take my walk lighter and

428
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.559
clip it. Don't you take my
Wretchord buddy and nip it. If you

429
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:24.719
spill the tea, I'm gonna sip
bit. I star ship it? Okay,

430
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:31.199
okay, what are you doing asking
the best thing in the entire world,

431
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:36.440
especially today? Today is the day
that I thought I'd have to wait

432
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.079
a little bit longer. But no, no, no, no, no

433
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:44.280
no. We have a wealth of
ships because we're gonna identify our favorite starship

434
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:51.320
z we do. We're gonna and
our favorite romantic ship. Absolutely what do

435
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.800
we got? You can start first
because I feel like I went last time

436
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.239
and I stole yours. Yes,
I do that, you did steal space

437
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:07.159
station case. Then this week I'm
picking Doctor Ragar six ship. It is

438
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.719
so good, damn it, I
knew it. I love it. It's

439
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:19.480
very millennium falcon asque. Also,
what I notice most it looks most like

440
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.480
just to beyond brand there's a ship
in Star Trek into Darkness that is supposed

441
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:30.840
to be Harry Mudd's transport that the
Enterprise commandeer's and it looks Doctor Raygar ship

442
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:37.880
looks almost exactly the same as that. Oh that's fun. It is a

443
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:45.800
it is a saucer, but it's
a little flat looking Millennium Falcon ask protrusion

444
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:52.039
going forward with two honking engines on
the back. Honking. It's fab It's

445
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.199
a classic Star Wars design while also
being new. Yeah, because it's got

446
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:02.840
to be so hard to a Star
Wars starship that just looks like Star Wars

447
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.360
because we all know it, but
you're just like, not quite not really

448
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:17.559
is it possible for me to say
not his ship, but the like pod

449
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.159
part of his ship absolutely? Okay, great, because that that is that

450
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:30.320
was truly mine. Yes, basically
it's like its own little Phantom to the

451
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.599
Ghost kind of situation. But it's
it's a it's just a circle. It's

452
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.719
like a literal pod that is a
sphere and it's the one that, yeah,

453
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:45.920
they escape back down to Endoor and
it's the one that Latara sets on

454
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.800
to make it go and they go
back up there, and I just I

455
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.960
loved it. I loved that it
was perfectly spherical, so silly. It's

456
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.760
just like a weird little escape pod, I guess, and they're able to

457
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.119
drive it around. And I love
it. Actually to me, and I

458
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.480
wrote this down in my notes,
it looked like that escape pod that General

459
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.360
Grievous used as an Episode three to
escape from the Separatist ship. Remember that

460
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.559
big honkin round sphere. My dude, I don't, and I'm feeling mad

461
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.760
because do you know who? I
love, General Gravis. I love General

462
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:28.639
Gravos, I love him. I'm
interested to here why, to know why,

463
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.679
which we will find out in about
six episodes. We will find out

464
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.760
pretty soon. Longer than that.
It's going to because well, he's in

465
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:43.920
he's in that, but he's in
the other Clone Wars. Yes, he

466
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.360
is introduced for the first time in
that Clone Wars. Right. Oh,

467
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.920
but wait a second, we have
to watch the prequels first. Yeah,

468
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.639
no, we watch episodes one and
two. Oh, we watched the Clone

469
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.280
Wars stuff. They watched Clone Wars. That's right, Ray Rori's but the

470
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.559
first two prequels, right, yeah, because of this happened, I'd forgotten

471
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:06.039
that. Like obviously it's the Clone
Wars, which happens after Attack of the

472
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:12.000
Clones. It's so funny. I
can't believe I forgot about my favorites,

473
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.199
the prequels, my secret favorites.
Oh yeah, we will get to it

474
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.719
soon. I'm telling you. We
should. We set up an Episode one

475
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.719
watch party. Oh man, maybe
we did. I really because I have

476
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.480
a sick version of I found a
sick version of a thirty five millimeter scan

477
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:32.119
of episode one that looks so sick, so good. It looks so so

478
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.039
and I would love to sit down
and watch it on a TV. Let's

479
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:45.880
do it, I dude, I'm
fucking just just ready for this. Yeah.

480
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.480
I don't remember, but I hope
you're excited to hear about how I

481
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.440
like one of the least liked characters, Roger Arson Ellis. Now he's also

482
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.679
fine. It's not as bad to
me as he as to other people.

483
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:02.480
But I love general grieves cool.
Speaking of general grievous, do you have

484
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:08.320
any general grievances with any of the
relationships here in this episode? Oh believe

485
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.280
man, I'm going to go Yeah, I'm going to go with it.

486
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.320
Shauna and Kirk, damn it.
Okay, that was mine? Fine,

487
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:23.159
I know which is is problematic and
yet pretty hot. It's very sincere as

488
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:36.519
well. Yeah, ittunate that Kirk
is manipulating someone that is much lesser intellectual

489
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:45.079
or not intellectually, but faculty wise, oh, experience wise, because she's

490
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.639
literally we didn't get into this,
but she's literally born on this place,

491
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.760
like she's never been able to live
or experience any other life beyond literally being

492
00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:00.840
enslaved. Yeah, like that is. It's necessarily like it's by definition a

493
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:08.840
not an equal relationship in terms of
power, and yet it is kind like

494
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:15.519
he's trying very hard to He is
both like, sorry, I don't mean

495
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.840
to like step on your stuff,
but he is both manipulating her because he

496
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.840
needs to get to a goal,
but I think also feels very deeply for

497
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:28.800
her well being. The lovely Bee
at the end where Shanna realizes that she

498
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:34.679
has been used and Kirk is like, uhha, the truth has come out,

499
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.960
and also Shanner plays it beautifully where
he is hurt because he truly has

500
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:45.039
feelings for her. He wishes her
the best, yeah, and wishes that

501
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.960
he hadn't done it. And also
if he hadn't done this the way he

502
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:54.880
had, everyone would have been worse
off because She's unfortunately a cog in a

503
00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.159
system that is oppressing everyone, but
she does and I have the experience to

504
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:07.719
be aware of it because she is
born into this system. Is gangs Kellion

505
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.360
the best episode ever? Just because
of how complex this relationship is. I

506
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.960
guess we didn't actually like hop into
it enough. I mean I found it

507
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.480
to be Also, the woman who
played Shana is also I thought was giving

508
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.159
a lovely performance as well, Angeline, I was Petty John. She's an

509
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:29.760
interesting figure. I encourage you to
go look into Angelique Petty John. This

510
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:35.000
is difficult politically to reconcile, and
I think it pulls off this plotline with

511
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.639
a plot. Yeah, I found
her to be wonderful. Yes, someone

512
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:43.119
who doesn't have a lot of experience
has a lot of power, but doesn't

513
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.880
have that power, which is just
very hard. I think if it were

514
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:52.079
the kind of episode Frankly made these
days, it could be far more interesting

515
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:59.800
to really get into. I have
to tell you that the last piece of

516
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:01.760
it, where she's looking up at
the stars and she says that little that

517
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.559
mini monologue, I started crying.
As much as we've been going, this

518
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:13.199
episode is just okay. Now that
we're talking about this relationship. Oh no,

519
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.199
it's actually increasing the value of this
episode to me because it is such

520
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:21.639
an interesting character dynamic, and they
do kind of nail the ending, don't

521
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:25.320
they in a way that could be
a lot cornier, But there is something

522
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:30.599
in the sincerity of that character and
the way that Angela petty John is playing

523
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:37.360
that character and in the oh,
dare I say a gentle way? Dare

524
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.400
dare? Again? Just want to
remind you. Though he does kiss her

525
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.079
and then punch her in the face, It is so funny to me.

526
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:52.039
It's so funny. Which is funnier
Shanner kissing Shanna and then punching her or

527
00:47:52.800 --> 00:48:00.679
the hard cut from the Empire to
the Ewok's Guns Hard Heart competition, But

528
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.920
it is the punch interesting because I'm
going to go to the mat for Jing

529
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.599
Jing berries. It was just so
unexpected. They all did that. They

530
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:15.400
all punched out there. They're kind
of their keepers. Yeah, I think

531
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.320
it's I don't think it's perfect by
any means. In a lot of ways,

532
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.440
it doesn't feel great, but I
think that in what they have and

533
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:28.039
what they're dealing with, both them
play it very well and very sincerely and

534
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.800
as kind as they can and I
think for an episode. You know,

535
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.119
it's like I don't actually, but
in a shipping kind of way, absolutely,

536
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:38.719
I agree with you. Yeah,
that's a good ship. It's a

537
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:45.920
complex ship. Anyways, that's my
ship. I guess it's fun to also

538
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.559
once again pushing back. Seems like
there might be a reason for a Kirk

539
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:55.599
drift for because of episodes like this. But uh, mine is the mouse

540
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:04.320
droid and Tibot dressed up as a
droid. It's not exactly a mouse droid.

541
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.599
What is it? I more it
is coded as mouse droid. But

542
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:15.000
this droid has big eyes and the
little tail, so it looks like an

543
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:21.920
actual mouth. Yeah. Yes,
it sees t bo and straight up does

544
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:27.119
the like awuga thing and it like
turns around. It's like I was like,

545
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.000
it's great. I love it.
Yeah, So that's mine. We

546
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:37.320
did it. We did it aspen
uh speaking of doing it, pie Boy's

547
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.719
a symbol. Bye byes. It's
time to go back to the centralceed of

548
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.079
this episode, the central conceit of
this entire podcast, which better Star Trek

549
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.760
versus Star Wars, as we rank
the cansers of Treskellian versus Battle for the

550
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.039
sun Star. Since I went ahead
and took Doctor Ragar's escape pod. I

551
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.239
mean Doctor raygar ship first. Why
don't you go ahead and start us off

552
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:04.280
with the ranking starting with games Triskellion, Well, I did have some thoughts,

553
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:08.400
but you're right that it's sort of
pumped up slightly for me. I'm

554
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:14.199
still annoyed by it. Five point
nine. Five point nine. You do,

555
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.079
here's the thing? You do?
Love to see it? Yeah,

556
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.360
I would have dropped it a little
bit more. I've I think I've said

557
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.679
why. I would dock it some
points. I think it is reckless.

558
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.119
I think it's a little messy.
At the same time, I do think

559
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.840
it has very interesting relationships. A
whura might also pop it up a little

560
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.639
bit more asen be thoughtful, be
thoughtful. Do we want to pop it

561
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.920
up for a whura? Hmm,
now it'll be okay, assume that aura

562
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:45.480
is most of that point. Uh. It is interesting, it's a good

563
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:50.360
adventure episode, definitely has a beginning
of middle in it, and just like

564
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:57.000
you said, it does have a
compelling central a relationship. So for all

565
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.880
of those reasons, I give it
a six mm hmm. If I were

566
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.440
to elaborate it would be the exact
same reasons that you gave, which brings

567
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.719
that total to a five point nine
to play. But it's still anyone's game.

568
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.119
It's Aspen takes a sober, puts
on their armor, puts on their

569
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.719
little drid hat, and takes us
to the battle for the SunStar Asthma,

570
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.880
what do you rank this puppy?
I hope I'm getting flirted with by a

571
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:25.880
mouse droid. Can I just tell
you before I do this that earlier in

572
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.840
the episode, the sun Star episode, uh, there was this like purkle,

573
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.440
which was an animal and it was
trapped in this trap that like the

574
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:44.719
doctor uh doctor regard done and when
he got away, he went this little

575
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.199
sad. Speaking of plot lines that
we didn't even touch around, we didn't

576
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.920
even touch upon the fact that Spot
mccoin Scotti are on the Enterprise looking for

577
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:55.480
them. It is a pointless thing. It's just like you're going on a

578
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.079
wild goose chase. Go back to
Game of two. They're going back on

579
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.920
a wild goose chase. It's boring. McCoy knows Bock at this point knows

580
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:07.119
that the spock is not given to
wild hunches. It's constant for the sake

581
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:12.880
of needing a b plot because we
have to fill up space. It's exactly

582
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:17.000
what it fell like. It's underestimating
the characters. It is underestimating the intelligence

583
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.920
of the characters. They would know. It's pretty boring. Yeah, you're

584
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.599
right. I thought about that.
We didn't even talk about it because there's

585
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:30.119
nothing there's no function. You've seen
that in other episodes, but that's not

586
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.599
what Spock does. And Spock's right. We know this. Spock is right.

587
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.360
Yeah, unlike the Perkle that gets
trapped and goes no, no,

588
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.639
no, And we should have mentioned
that because that is a central damps.

589
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.119
Yes, very much. So what
do you rank this episode? Battle for

590
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.800
the Sun Star seven point three point? You do love to see it?

591
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.719
I do. I liked it.
I had a lot of fun. I

592
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.119
will say I did get a little
distracted at certain moments, but but but

593
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:02.079
it was still action packed, very
fun. Loved all the interactions these characters.

594
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.400
Of course, at this point we
know exactly what's up, and so

595
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:09.079
it's very wonderful to then see them
thrust into a new type of environment,

596
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.800
knowing their skills, knowing their relationships
with each other. So I think it

597
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:17.840
worked out really well. Animation is
always very beautiful, design, great characterization,

598
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.679
and for all of those reasons,
I ranked this episode of seven good

599
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:30.440
hot adventure app If I have to
show someone Eyok's I might start with this

600
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.280
episode. Then't go to Asha oh
yeah, because this one and then they'll

601
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:39.239
be disappointed after. This one is
a classic Star Wars. It feels like

602
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:43.679
Star Wars and that way that we
try to always identify what the feeling of

603
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:46.480
Star Wars is. This feels like
Star Wars but different. That brings it

604
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to the collective total of seven point
one five, which means Aspen my portion

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of the pie winds. Thank you
so much. This is a really wonderful

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day for me to have won this
award. I'm the one who put in

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the effort. Thank you so much
for listening to this episode. We are

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big fans of this podcast. I
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Usually my outros are much clearer than
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fans. That's true of our own
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true, And if you are indeed
big fans of our podcast, why don't

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you leave us review hop over to
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reviews tab be directed to the podcatcher
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one star, two star, three
star, warstar, five star, preparably

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five star, justly. If you
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hop over to either our Instagram or
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Wars Pod. We like you and
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you don't want to do that,
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com. Finally, if you've exhausted
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us, then freaking you know,
find us. Fine, track us down,

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find our addresses. Come see I'm
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Blue Sky has popped up just a
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ranking their three favorite pieces of both
Star Trek and Star Wars separately. Awesome

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writer and co host of Fatman Beyond, Mark bernardin So and Batman Stories,

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comic book writer TV writer Cool Guy
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Star Trek and Star Wars by Gunn
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for a Trek and Star Wars Empire
Strikes Back a New Hope and and or

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all of those are rankings that I
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can find that over at our Blue
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us an email trek Warspod at gmail
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believe in the Patreon episode, I
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where we were doing other Katie Hepburn
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to its Jolty partner comment plugging in
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Katie Heptburn movies, to which Jolty
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call it friend business because you are
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You are my friend zero I haven't
always will be your friends. I

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love you, I love you,
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you. We love you. And
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