Sept. 27, 2024

The Hidden Enemy vs. The Mark of Gideon

The Hidden Enemy vs. The Mark of Gideon

The Hidden Enemy changes the game for the Clones.

And The Mark of Gideon is an episode.

Aspen loves Detective Obi-Wan and Detective Anakin. Kenny loves bureaucracy. Aspen has a big crush on Asajj Ventress.

And we wonder why Mark of Gideon didn't...

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Season 1

The Hidden Enemy changes the game for the Clones.

And The Mark of Gideon is an episode.

Aspen loves Detective Obi-Wan and Detective Anakin. Kenny loves bureaucracy. Aspen has a big crush on Asajj Ventress.

And we wonder why Mark of Gideon didn't lean into any of the many ideas it brought up.


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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question and fandom, which

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is better Star Trek or Star Wars by going through

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both franchises and chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent with me Esper always.

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Is Aspen Webster, Star Wars.

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Lover, and today we are both loving both of these

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episodes from Star Trek the Original series, Season three, The

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Mark of Gideon versus Star Wars the Clone Wars Season one,

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The Hidden Enemy.

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I respect your segue considerably, but I disagree on principle. Yeah,

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go on, please, No, I mean, we'll talk about it,

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but I can tell you one of these episodes is good.

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One of these episodes was so boring. I must fell asleep.

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Boy. I wonder which one.

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I mean, here we are, here, we are.

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I just wonder which one it could have possibly been?

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What you were talking about, an episode that is definitely

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just so passionately written.

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The Hidden Enemy.

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That's right.

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Goddamn god, damn. This season, this season three of Star Trek.

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It's getting pretty sleepy.

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I'm just fucking tired. I'm getting a touch of the

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like the way that I felt with like some e

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Woks episodes where I was like, come on, come on, nah.

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Speaking of Rush in the trip, someone that wanted to rush.

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The synopsis for the Mark of Giddy, which was, of

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course released January seventeenth, nineteen sixty nine. Writers George F. Slaven,

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Stanley Stanley Adams, director Judd Taylor, who just directed Wink

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of a nine. Good for him, very good for him.

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John Crosby for her syndicated Calm TV Scout Okay, wrote, Joan,

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give it to me. There is never a lack of

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confusion on Star Trek. That show is no exception. Captain

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Kirk has beamed down to a planet and he disappears.

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But that's not the case from Kirk's outlook. According to

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his experience, everyone else on the ship has disappeared. Actually,

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he is being held in communicado by an alien society

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that enjoys their space isolation and they intend to keep

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it that way.

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Okay, Okay, cool, Thanks, Jude, Joe, Joe, June, John Joan, Yeah,

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and dadd a little bit more detailed to it. He's

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being held in the surprise of it is that he

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this this society. They never they don't die, so they're

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looking for him to infect them with the virus. That's

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fucking weird. We'll get into it, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Well, but just just for some context that Joan didn't

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give despite her syndicated.

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Column, she nailed the synopsis of the Mark Gideon.

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Yeah, well, and we'll talk about we'll talk about some

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like immediate reactions. But one of those episodes where you're like, cool, concept,

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what the funk's going on?

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What is going on? What did you what?

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What?

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What?

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You had more than six hours to write this episode?

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This is what you came up with that says that

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we paid for sub sandwiches for this writer's room, and

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this is all you could come up with.

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We got you the good coffee, folgers, and this is

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how you could come up with.

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This is what you could come up with. Je Taylor,

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you just directed. Let that be your last battlefield. This

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is what you come up with.

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Clearly, Yeah, it's just a very bewildering situation for me

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in that, but once again proving that some Star Trek

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episodes should just be thirty minutes.

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What a bewildering episode.

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I am deeply bewildered by everyone's actions. Let's talk about

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the hidden Enemy Star Wars The Clone Wars The Hidden

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Enemy released February sixth, two thousand and nine. It was

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directed by Stewart Lee. Great jobs, Steward Steward, written by

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drewsy Greenberg Brian Larson as Steph or writer. Yeah, great

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job everybody. Oh gosh, sorry, I just was like at

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the IMDb and it was like, that's right, A sage

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of interest was in this. Just a beautiful episode of

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just all your faiths and I got an obi wan

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discover evidence of a trader amongst their ranks while attempting

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to lead republic forces deliberate Christophe's's from a separatist siege,

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and this, much like Jones column, doesn't go into much

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more detailed, but it then leads to investigation by our

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faves Rex and Cody, which I this is yeah, as

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a real Rex and Cody have the app which is

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fabulous to try to wead this person out while they

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kind of go on a bit of a They go

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on a little bit of adventure, do some fighting and message.

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Massage venture is more is more like it?

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Not to immediately dive into things, but do you see

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do you see what I've been hinting at for the

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like every time Massage Ventresses has popped up in things,

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how I've been like, I ship her with every single

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person that hates her.

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That she she's so horny.

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Yeah, this is like one of the episodes where she

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and Obi Wan are flirting so profoundly that it's I'm

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that it is one of those moments where you're like

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a kids show, Like even Alter Dear at one point,

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he's just like, you know, lovely to see Deerppe. Also,

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I will say I was being a little bad with

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this episode. I had it on while I was watering

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the plants. Hopefully I didn't miss anything. I really needed

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to water the plants. How dare you the so many

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so anyway, So that's that's it. It's been a great episode.

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Hope to see all soon talking everybody.

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Thank you so much. I love you.

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Let me take any live long and prosper. I like

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that you assumed it would win.

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Let's not be around the bush. One of these episodes

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is bound to elect you as a mayor of nap City.

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The mayor of Nap City, and here I am and

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my friend disorder businesses. The hawk sho me me me yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

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I don't know how you feel. You want to start

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with the one we hated, the home we liked, let's start.

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Let's start with the one that there. I think there

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are worse episodes of than the Mark of Get In,

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but really disappointing about this episode. I think what is

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even more disappointing than an outright terrible episode or a

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catastrophic episode is the fact that it is so mid

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yeah it is. There's oh my gosh, so much potential.

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It is obfuscated by an unnecessary mystery box to give

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you the illusion of tension as opposed to at the

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central theme of the story is something that is pretty

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powerful politically bold for the time that it's being released

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in nineteen sixty nine and the throes of uh in

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the throes of Vietnam. And certainly there's a clash, but

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between conservative and liberal ideals, No much more than the

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round of I don't know which way feminism, but talking

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about outright contraception in.

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This oh yeah, yeah, actually, let me check my notes.

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Oh no, life is sacred. Dumb dumb, dumb, dumb dumb.

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Then I wrote iuts in birth control are not abortifationis.

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But I wrote that in all capital letters will get

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to it. Well, but the very fact that Kirk is

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like sorry, birth control like is a very normal, common thing,

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very like obvious, like or like yeah, or any kind

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of procedures at all anyway, Yes, yeah, good points, good points.

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Yes, but it all of these things are completely like

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I said, obfuscated. For yeah, something that is extremely similar

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to the episode that we just got like six episodes ago,

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Wink of an Eye, where Kirk is isolated on a

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ship with another woman, Lad and his crew is not

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available for some reason, and surprise, it's this convoluted thing

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because they need something. Whereas in Wink of an Eye

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they needed his kirk juice, here they need Kirk's blood.

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May they literally need his blood because they need the

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dormant virus that he had then was called vegan something around.

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Let's get let's get to it. The central mystery of

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the thing is not that exciting. The prem the themes

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that they're trying to examine are extremely exciting, but the

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episode is not interested interrogating it outside of the kind

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of the lip service that they're paying to it because

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they understand that it's a Star Trek and they know that,

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like philosophy was important to the show at one point. Yeah,

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and then they just kind of get back to the shenanigans.

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The bureaucraus part is kind of interesting to me, but

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also there's diminishing returns on that with just suck attempting

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to navigate bureaucracy and speaking bureaucracy successfully right, the frustrations

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they are in. But it's not really examining that so

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much as it really feels like it is filling time

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because they understand they have to deliver an episode.

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There's like a billion things that they could do. It

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could just take the risk and be like, yeah, let's

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not mystery box it and let's just confront it head

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on and deal with repercussions. Literally take him down to

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the planet, start watching people get sick around him. What

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does that look like from like an emotional perspective?

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But just can't do that costs money, right.

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Because yeah, there's people and that, Yeah, you can't pay

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those people. So if you've got the shoestring budget of

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twelve dollars, you can't do that. You've got to have

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them isolated, like no extras, even you're just on the

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ship alone. Okay, Well, if you're working with your constraints, constraints,

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we got to see it Marini thing here, why not

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then lead like, yeah, lean into the horror of the thing, right,

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which I'm always going to be here for Like at

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first it was deeply creepy. Why not keep it so creepy?

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What's the one episode we watched? Oh, the EmPATH? Like

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the way that the EmPATH the production design of it, right, like,

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that's a very similar vibe. It's extremely creepy because you

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are very much in a space of discomfort, Like it

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creates a sense of discomfort, which why not do something

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dynamically with your ideas there if you're not going to

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actually interrogate anything at all. But no, we don't even

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do that. All of a sudden, we just run into

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another dancing lady. So here we are, uh, and we've

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got a lot of talk about diplomacy and bureaucracy that

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to me felt like we were filling space. I was deeply,

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deeply bored annoyed by it, like like I just am

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like at this point, I don't know what you're saying

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about diplomacy anymore. If you're saying anything of note interesting

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that once again, to me, we're being really hateful of

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or we're being down on a way of solving conflict

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that doesn't look like violence, which seems at odds with

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our way of the sort of our values here. But

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all right, they also work with in such a bureaucratic

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structure like fuck you, you know what's up?

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Which there's something interesting about that because I mean we

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allude to Starfleet and the Federation being this larger system,

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but because the show is more interested in talking about

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this group of individuals as opposed to the system that

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it fits into at large. Sure, except for like commodores

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coming in and being like I actually outrank you, Well

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you're going to do something that you disagree with.

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I think consistently Starfleet gives an order that they go

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against because the order is the wrong order. There's a

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very like kids on Bikes esque to that, where they're

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just like, our parents aren't going to help us, so

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we got to help ourselves. And I know, I get

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caught up on the concept and the idea of the

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like well, they're supposed to be like proponents of this

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like beautiful note system and stuff, but they're never they're

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always individualistic. But you would have a show without it.

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So and this episode isn't interested in interrogating. The lack

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of value within a bureaucracy is widespread, as widespread as

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Starfleet or the Federation, because it's just directing. It's it's

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directly interacting with this one planet. And the weapon of

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bureaucracy is interesting, but they're diminishing returns. And also I

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just feel compelled to say, not every episode has to

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be about something, but right whenever you are bothering to

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make an episode that really isn't about something, you have

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to make sure that it's supplanted with something, something interesting,

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some sort of substance that pops. Yes, in this episode,

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there is. It is like it's like wet salar.

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What well, cellary's pretty wet.

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No no, no, no, no, no, like wet salary, Like

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it's just been like sitting in the refrigerator for so long. Yeah,

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so thank you, soggy salary. And you're like, there was

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a promise here and you are telling me that this

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is salary. No, sir or or legend? I did it's

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either that's the three genders, sir, mam or legend.

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I am a little curious. I don't think the episode

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cares about this, but you know what, I care.

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About this good job asmin Why are we.

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Trying to get a planet the Federation that doesn't want

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to be the federation? Central question like what what are

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you trying to do Federation?

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Like I understand why the planet would want stuff from

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the Federation. Yeah, but at the same time the contradiction

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that this planet also wants to be staunchly isolationist, which

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I don't. Look, the rules of what the Federation is

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at this point within Star Trek is extremely malleable. Yeah,

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sometimes they are an interventionalist force that is coming in

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and telling you that your way of governing is wrong.

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like you don't want to dialect. Hum, nope, consider that,

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we'll just leave you alone. Right And this episode, for

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some reason, they're pursuing something with these staunchly isolation as

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folks that are at the same time we're dealing with overpopulation.

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But whatever handwave in the way, we need an episode

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to happen because there's fifty minutes in the schedule and

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gosh darn it, we got to make it fill.

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It was something so you so, yeah, that makes sense

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that they that the negotiation would be we want to

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be part of the federation, but we also want to

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stick to our own rules for sure, which is its

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own kind of interesting question around uh what that like

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that kind of like what we've talked about in the

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past of cultural relativism or absolutism or you know what

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is say appropriate, like a different kind of cultural rule

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within a context, right, like what are we we know?

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And then like the negotiation is saying like who gets

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to decide? So that in and of itself could be interesting.

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The real reason they wanted is because they wanted to

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get him because he had this disease when he was younger,

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and they want to snag him. And then they want

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to be like, now that you've fallen in love with

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my daughter, come down and live there and continue to

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infect people because we have an overpopulation problem. Cool, fine, okay,

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you have an overpopulation problem. Okay, why do you have

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an overpopulation problem? Because we love life.

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We love life value.

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That's it. And magically they all live forever because they

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love life.

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Their socks dudes, well, and.

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So yeah, like that is like like the implication. Okay.

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So the other thing is that like when Kirk was like, hey,

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there are ways to so Okay. The implication, by the way,

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is just people are pregnant all the time.

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All the time, all the time, all the time.

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That's what the real horror of this is, Like people

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like presumably presumably women that that's a bad presumption people.

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I don't know, I don't know what the like, what

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it looks like down there. People are always pregnant. Also,

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just need to clarify, it's not just women that can

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get pregnant any like, people are pregnant all the time.

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Everyone on the planet is pregnant at all times. Yeah,

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every single every single person.

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That's a real horror of them. Maybe they have like

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bijor and and it's just like really nice all the time,

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and it's like the birth is actually a lovely experience

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and everything's been great. It's just been great. But at

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the same time, so I because that is the implication

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within it. And so when Kirk's like, hey, like I

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because I think what he was asking about wasn't necessarily

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like a birth control it was maybe like getting your

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tube sied, or getting vasectomies or like something that would

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be like an actual surgical procedure. Because then what's his

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name is, like, no, the body's just like undo it.

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It just like fixes itself. Which is why I'm wondering

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if the like, well, why would a virus work like

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would like if they threw themselves off of buildings, would

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then the body fix itself? Like what what are the rules?

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They are rules?

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What are the rules? There are too many world building

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questions to make this as successful. Yeah, episodes and look.

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At me, I'm looking.

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I love a great handwave. Whenever you're just like right, whatever,

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shut up. The episode just has to happen if.

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It's valuable and if it's supported by good emotionality.

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But then the world building questions at the center of

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the episode are so juicy you could hang an entire

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episode on it. And also this is an episode that

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was filmed in nineteen sixty eight, and so they're pushing

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at the limits of what they can talk about and

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they're having to fit within the confines of what is acceptable.

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And what is interesting is that in previous versions of

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this episode, the mystery box was not there, like the

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themes were out in the open, and then at some

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point they were just like, we have to have more

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action or something along those lines, and so the central

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themes just kind of get scaled back, and then also

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with budgetary concerns, you scale those things back. And now

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we're on yet another episode that is locked on the

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Enterprise and Kirk and some other person the only two

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people that are bouncing around, and then you've got one

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set that is the alien planet, and then the chilling

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image of opening to the porthole. I will say, the

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very people bouncing around. I recall that image very much

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within my head whenever watching this episode because it's a

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chilling image. But it's out there and our characters are

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in here, and it's all it's really difficult to dramatize

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these things whenever. I don't know if you know this audience,

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but Aspen and I teach improv comedy what.

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Wow Wow.

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Legends, but as teachers of narrative structure and narrative theory theater. Sorry,

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calling it comedy is an affront to the medium.

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Like we're not like just trying to be funny, because

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that's like what fools are.

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Make no mistake, We do improvisational theater for you to

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be compelled. The central tension. It's about tension and so leap.

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What is comedy. It's a commitment.

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The only comedy that I like is Comedia del Arte, Nasquort,

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mask Stone, heard of him, heard of him Aspen. I

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think this maybe our greatest episode of Trustlers yet. I'm

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going to really enjoy listening back to this one. But anyways,

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I'm talking about you cut, you cut the window, you

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cut to Kirk and o'donna where you best believe that

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the writers of this episode were listening to the radio

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and they're like, got it great, We've got four more

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hours to write the script. That's not true. There is

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is worked very very hard, and everyone worked very very

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hard in this episode. TV is abysmally hard and a

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lot of people suffer, So we can just inhale it.

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We're not talking about that, talking about they're they're looking

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outside and the window of people because there are so

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many people on the planet that they are just everywhere.

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Its creepiest shit.

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But unfortunately, oh, Kirk and o'donna are watching it happen outside. Yeah,

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And there's a different kind of dramatic tension whenever you're

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watching it happen to someone else versus our main characters,

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and our main character suddenly has to experience the horrors

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of overpopulation. But as consistently something that is told, kind

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of shown, but never dramatically experienced, and it fails on

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I mean, this episode fails on so many levels.

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I mean, can you imagine if this next question, yes, okay,

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how are you good?

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How are you great's actually doing really well. I got

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a lot I caught up on a lot of sleep

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over the weekend, and it makes it fantastic.

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I feel very good, fantastic. Okay, back's my first question. Well, no,

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here's my thought. If they had the budget, if they

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had had the space.

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If they had fourteen dollars as supposed to twelve episodes

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and a tunis out sandwich, and yeah, a couple of cents.

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What do you mean there's not You mean that this

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entire crew and cast have to eat this one tunis

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olid sandwich, have to share it?

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Cut into the rules.

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You gotta ask, mister paramount of me.

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Is The paramoun was like, oh, well, you would have

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gotten your wife to make yours and the mouse run

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up the clock and that's you're the mouse.

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So I like my cigar.

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I love your cigar work. You can only see that

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cigar work YouTube dot com, slash at trak warspond.

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So like a good neighbor, like a good horror film

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or good horror like you can if the idea is

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what is just right outside of space, Like you can

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see this being like okay, what do you do with

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the medium that is given to you or the restraints

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that are given to you. Okay, we're in here, and

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it's terrifying, Like we don't know what's happening. We're actually

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a little scared. We're trying to be like she's more scared.

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All of a sudden, Yeah, we open it up and

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then there's faces and there's this, and there's a swarm.

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It's terrifying, and it disappears right and then it, like

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the monster of any good horror film, grows and gets

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until it's you and then it is upon you. And

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now we're in a space where like I can even

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imagine the scene of like Kirk being like no, no, no,

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just like surrounded by humans, just like packing him into

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like a space and like maybe like the room would

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be completely black and dark, and then it'd just be

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like faces flashing in front of him as like the

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light hits it horrifying, horrifying, and then he's like pulled

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from the space and it's just like that's the reality

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of our.

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World, right, and then suddenly you have an interesting question

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of being like, sure, this planet did something that is

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abhorrent to Captain Kirk, but at the same time, your

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character is just experienced and now they have an interesting

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moral quandary or they're like, too, right, sure a crime

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has been committed against me, but also the experience that

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I've felt is so abhorrent.

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Yes, and everyone's pregnant. It's awful.

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Every single person.

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Every single person is pregnant.

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It's so dense. Every single person on the planet has

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so much pregnancy.

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Then I feel like it starts to feel like it

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has more weight as opposed to like him being like,

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here's a solution, then being like oh no, no, no,

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no no, we really love life. And then you're like,

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what are you talking about?

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Dramatize that?

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Yeah, what are you talking about? Is it that?

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Like it?

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Like because love it? Like I mean, it's hard not

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to have my own personal like current view like looking

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at that, like if that were to happen now, I'd

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be at touch, Like I'm sorry, are you being like

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are you being like inside abortion rates on this like

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or even says like the value the life of a

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feet and I'm like, Hey, a condom has no effect

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on a fetus, Like my dude, like I utes have

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no effect usually on a fetus, like these are not

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a border patients. Also, abortion is great, but you know,

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if we're getting abortions, great, but if we're getting into

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the details here, we are getting into because the questions yeah,

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well yeah, as briefly stupid questions. It's asking pretty okay.

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Question stupid questions, great questions, but then the episode is just.

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Like being stupid about it.

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Yeah, we could be with Kirk and Odonna in an

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empty corridor watching them and traumatizing. Again.

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This is this is where that Kirkcter stuff I'm like, no,

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I I do like. Season three is where everybody gets

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the idea of Kirk.

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Being like, ooh, yeah, I think you're right. Which is

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interesting because as we've covered in These are the Voyages

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season three by Mark Cushn and Susan Osborne, and this

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was the season where there was a more concerted effort

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to do quote unquote with quote unquote with me AskMen

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women's story stories, which is so interesting that whenever you

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assigned the label of women's stories, suddenly the stories get

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more boring as opposed to what the women loved, which

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is stories that were themselves.

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Yeah, stories that are like about characters engaging with one

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another and having feelings and exploring emotional things or like

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in the case of like a Spock, you know, managed

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like dealing with those deep seated emotions and with that

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like his implications p M. That's why the DC Fontana

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episodes are so interesting, Like people who just genuinely understand

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them as characters and know what drives good story. Like, Yeah,

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I'm I'm all for people kissing. Believe me. That's not

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a fem like women like kind of story. That's an

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everybody's story. People loves kissing, but he just loves kissing.

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You might have read about a Los Angeles theater getting

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burned down after showing Twisters. That was the screening that

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ashmen went to. When you threw a Molotov cocktail at

471
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.400
the screen. Whenever Glenn Pollin Daisy Edgar Jones is that

472
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.720
her name? Yeah, whenever they didn't.

473
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.559
Kiss Kenny Madison. The fact that those two did not

474
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.480
kiss is an actual travesty.

475
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.720
This isn't a Twisters podcast, Aspen.

476
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.759
I'm enraged, Aspen.

477
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.559
Please don't burn down this house.

478
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:24.839
Cowards, please, don't burn the cowards.

479
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.880
Steven Spielberg is a coward.

480
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.680
You heard me Anyway, I like the one people kiss.

481
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.599
I don't like boring bullshit.

482
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.680
Let's talk about something that's not boring. An example of

483
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.400
good dramatization and compelling dramatization and throwing a wrench into

484
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.359
the conceptions of things that we had previously understood as

485
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.119
just kind of existing in one certain paradigm, which is

486
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:53.559
the hidden enemy, as we talked in earlier episodes, specifically

487
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.839
cloak of darkness, whenever we had a senate commando go

488
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.440
rogue within the felony, zoning within that felony went it's

489
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.119
too early for clones to turn, and this is a

490
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:09.400
story that they are entertaining. And now to invoke uh,

491
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.680
definitely a Star Trek term. Checkof's gun.

492
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:18.599
Yeah, Star Trek really totally Pabo Checkoff's gun.

493
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:23.359
You're right, check off. But now we finally we got

494
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.119
the problems has been filled, and now we've got a

495
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.400
Clone that is functioning in an individualists terms. Suddenly our

496
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.480
concepts of the Clones as perfectly established in the two

497
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:40.000
thousand and two I'm going to say it, asterpiece Attack of.

498
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.400
The Clones, a masterpiece I mean not as.

499
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.960
Bad Anakin's over there saying I don't like Sand. Well,

500
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.400
I do like sand. That's how good Attack of the Clones,

501
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:51.440
which is.

502
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:02.680
We're doing great. It's this episode is great.

503
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.680
It's so dense. Every single image has so much going on, and.

504
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:14.240
No one's pregnant yet yet. It will be in three

505
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:22.720
years and it will be padme. No one else be pregnant.

506
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:27.160
I there. It is very interesting, very compelling. They don't

507
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.200
quite Okay, well, first we'll start with the you know

508
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.599
how we talk about Detective Batman. Something very fun about detective.

509
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:39.599
Detective Detective Batman. Yeah, the world's greatest, the world's gatest detective.

510
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.920
Hold on, yeah, hold on, let me access the Mattrius

511
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.480
Batman moving whenever he can't figure out is the he

512
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:50.640
is the world's greatest detective. But clearly the clue that

513
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.720
the Redder left in a city that famously has a

514
00:30:54.759 --> 00:31:02.480
Batman stool pigeons. Yeah, definitely something that is within the

515
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.640
lexicon of the film, a movie that I gave four

516
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.720
stars on a letterbox because it's got good vibes.

517
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.559
We're talking about the patents in one right, yeah.

518
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.799
Yeah. And at the same time, there's forty minutes of

519
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:19.319
real Estate. It seems like dedicated to my stool pigeon

520
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.759
Wild still better than Batman v. Supermanton of Justice, a

521
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.400
movie that Arizona Mark love.

522
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.519
But also, you're right, Batman, the vibes are so good, so.

523
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.160
Anyway it works. Sorry book Detective Batman.

524
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:38.400
And also Detective Obi Wan, another famous detective. It's really

525
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.319
nice to watch the dynamic duo of Detective Rex and

526
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:47.839
Detective Cody, our favorite clone commanders. Cody commander yet are

527
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.799
still a captain? Are Rex still a captain? But they

528
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.880
they're basically what's fun about Rex and Cody is that

529
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.319
they like basically each They're like attached to obi Wan

530
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:02.160
and Anakin, like Rex as Anakin, Cody is obi Wan,

531
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.559
which is fun. We like that. It's nice to see

532
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.960
them together having to be like we can't let them know,

533
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.519
you know, we need to solve those oursoves, we need

534
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.079
to figure it out, you know, and going through that

535
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.319
and the sort of questioning and the tension that's building

536
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.519
of like who it could be and like the Chases,

537
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.480
very noir, very cool, very like thriller.

538
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.680
So yeah, no, should I should I know who Cody

539
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:28.279
and Rex are?

540
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.799
Let me think about that by this point you would

541
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:32.680
know Cody.

542
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.400
I mean I know Cody because in the three yeah

543
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.720
come on, Cody, take my life, sayber and he's like,

544
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.119
you got a boss. Yeah, live.

545
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.079
And then it is Cody that receives like you see

546
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:52.079
him explicitly receive Order sixty six, which is devastating once

547
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.400
you've watched a lot of Clone Wars, that.

548
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.960
Is, and I know Rex having been someone that has

549
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.400
watched all of Rebels and Right, because you know what

550
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.920
he's got that Cody doesn't have.

551
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:07.759
Friends A great big bushy beard, a great big bushy

552
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.119
beard and big muscles.

553
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:25.519
Yes, yes, Jim Broadband, great big bushy beard, jugglers, crusty jugglers.

554
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:26.759
Yeah.

555
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.559
So of course yeah. Rex comes back into playing Rebels spoiler,

556
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.319
very close with Ah Soca at this point. I think

557
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.880
this probably is your biggest This is like the biggest

558
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.160
Cody Rex episode. This would be the one for you

559
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.119
to be like, these are characters I give a shit about.

560
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.440
Rex is in the movie. He shows up, he has

561
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.240
interactions with a Soca. They like they become as you know,

562
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.000
because of Rebels, very close. Cody is there. But I

563
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.079
think this is the first like their episode, which is

564
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.400
very cool to reflect on that. I enjoy that.

565
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:02.519
Very cool.

566
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:03.039
It is.

567
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:10.599
Listen, here's my analysis, my critical analysis. This is very cool. Listen.

568
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.599
I'm just having a great time. I was not having

569
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:14.599
a great time otherwise.

570
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.320
I was said about the success of Vibes, the oh,

571
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.159
the what vibes, the success of oh, the.

572
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.320
Success of vibes. I think, I said the successive, and

573
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.280
I was like, a successive, like a.

574
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.320
Succession, about the succession Vibes, succession Vibes.

575
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:43.519
I was like, well, wow, my father, my father Django Fett. Yeah, yeah,

576
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.559
there's uh, there's a fun and there's like a fun

577
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.679
sort of like they're the same, but there's a touch

578
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.559
of an A plot B plot happening that's really compelling,

579
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.840
Like it starts with a battle that's really interesting in

580
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.599
which they are clearly like they know all of what

581
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.320
they're like, all of the steps are taking, and it's

582
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.480
it's good, I think to watch them fail, really good.

583
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:09.880
I think for for storytelling, and it makes for good

584
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.440
storytelling and there's a reason for it. And that leads

585
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.519
to something compelling, which is, what does it mean when

586
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.800
we do have a trader in our ranks? Like what

587
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:23.199
could be the motivation for that? A trader in our ranks.

588
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.440
That's I didn't realize you added that while you were

589
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:29.039
talking around.

590
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.360
Oh my god.

591
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:33.280
Yeah.

592
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.800
But to start with that, to start with a failure

593
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.280
good because we wouldn't too much, you know. And this

594
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.079
is these are war their battles and ventures can't lose

595
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.760
every time because I need her to keep her job,

596
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.519
because she's too hot to lose it.

597
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:53.880
As recent poet Laureate Chapel Round would staff one, yes

598
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.079
for sure. Asage is h O T T O g o.

599
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:03.280
Oh, you can take her on to go venturous. Yeah,

600
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.199
when we get to I starship and I'm just gonna

601
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.760
think of a random person.

602
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.000
To ship Massage in that tree that she passed.

603
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.679
Right, like she can be with anyone. It's just hot,

604
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:18.480
and I swear to God venturess in her own arms. Yeah, goddamn,

605
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:30.039
I love that. She's like time to fight with a body,

606
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:31.159
I am, I right.

607
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:34.800
I mean it's a pretty good episode.

608
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:36.920
Yeah, I mean it's a fun episode.

609
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.079
It's fun A spoiler alert. Is definitely better than Mark

610
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.239
of Gideon. Clone Wars is definitely getting into its own rhythm.

611
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.239
I'm very much enjoying it. It's very fun to watch.

612
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.760
I look forward to it every week. What is also

613
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:54.599
interesting about this is the fact that the A plot

614
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.079
is the Clones, and the B plot are Anakin and

615
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:04.800
Obi Wan, which is great. It's great. And also I

616
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.400
don't know, maybe I'm just giving the show too much credit,

617
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:14.559
but it's changing what Star Wars is. Give it credit, well, well,

618
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.000
this is whenever Dave Filoni used to try, and that's

619
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:17.559
pretty good.

620
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:29.280
Okay, calm down, calm down, get out of here, oh

621
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:29.840
my god.

622
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.920
But giving well, and also this was a George.

623
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.920
Story, George story.

624
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.360
George was like, what if what if what a clone

625
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.159
was was a Benedict Arnold?

626
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.960
What if? What if that were true? George, how would

627
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:51.440
you play that? Uh me, oh would you? I mean,

628
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:52.519
I meant, how would you play that out?

629
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.039
But I put a little helmet on? Yeah, a little well,

630
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:58.519
little tiny.

631
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.960
Arm George is Star Wars just helmets.

632
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:08.719
The So so George actually pitched, you know, as, what

633
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.400
if the clones were there's a clone that was a

634
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:15.000
Benedict Arnold. And so initially we went to Ralph McCrory's designs.

635
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.760
I made a planet that was a big Benedict Arnold.

636
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:23.159
So that wasn't exactly quiet, right, And then it cuts

637
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:27.480
to chilling and plunket and He's like, what was interesting

638
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:28.039
about this?

639
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:29.599
Go on?

640
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.440
No, what was interesting?

641
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:33.360
Irish?

642
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:33.920
Irish?

643
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:39.159
What was interesting about this strange is that we'd never

644
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.559
done texturing of a Benedict Arnold type planet, and so

645
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.280
we actually had to pull from previous assets in order

646
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.320
to kind of make the new texture fluid but at

647
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.400
the same time having some sort of lived in quality.

648
00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:02.119
And then and then George said, what did the planet's

649
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.199
one bit bended at Arnold? You just make it like

650
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.239
a planet? And I went, that would have saved us

651
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.239
so much time.

652
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.360
George, what if you just had a one man show

653
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:19.360
and it's just called the Filonisi And then Matthew Wood's like,

654
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.000
Hi is me, Matthew? Would I do a lot of voices?

655
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:27.559
George pitch to us it would be fun to have

656
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.440
kind of different kind of voices for the clones, and

657
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.719
so we pitched. So we made a whole planet that

658
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.079
was voices, but they.

659
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.880
Were all still deep. Bradley Bigger, that's true.

660
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.800
And again I want to reiterate, I'm liking Dave Filoni's

661
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.159
work here, and I like the way I like the

662
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:48.679
way that Star Wars is changing.

663
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:49.320
I like that.

664
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.719
This is finding its own identity, even though it's frustrating

665
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.079
from the pre existing knowledge that I have. But whenever

666
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.239
I bother to take it on its own terms, Yes,

667
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:02.719
is doing some interesting things.

668
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.039
That's right, Kenny. Do you know what that means? I'm

669
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:14.159
a winner. The pause sounds so when we started this podcast,

670
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.920
I said, you know what's better? Star Wars? I'm telling you.

671
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:21.760
You know what I said, and I said, the Star

672
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:22.360
Trek's better.

673
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.519
I said, you're wrong. We should try to prove it

674
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:32.280
solute and we're right in a space where I'm right.

675
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.920
Is what is also interesting about that I don't for

676
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.360
some reason, the Battle of Christopsis is just locked in

677
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.760
my mind, and this show is not afraid to play

678
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.760
loose with chronology. This is an episode that is definitely

679
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.679
taking place before the movie. Soka's not even on the

680
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.239
table doesn't matter because structurally, for the journey that we're

681
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.079
taking all of these characters on, this makes more sense

682
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.159
to put it towards the last third of the season

683
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.079
as opposed to at the beginning. It sets a completely

684
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.000
different timber. If you have a clone to betray you

685
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.000
at the beginning versus towards the end. We're going on

686
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.760
an evolution from We're having a whole bunch of space

687
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.639
adventures and win the audience over with the fact that

688
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:21.239
we can do a Star Wars animated TV show. And

689
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.880
now I'll start taking it. Let's tilt it by two

690
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.719
degrees and then three degrees and the five degrees and

691
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.039
suddenly we're going to get into some new territory.

692
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.480
And can you tell me more about why you think

693
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.280
it is special that the Clone story is the a.

694
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:43.079
Story you ask a Star Wars fan in two thousand

695
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.519
and nine what Star Wars is about, and it's going

696
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.480
to be like the tragedy of Darth Vader, because that's

697
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:54.480
the dead marketing point, right. It's about the Skywalkers. You

698
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.000
got episodes, you got episodes one through six. No one

699
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:04.480
ever talks about droids, walks whatever. No, And for all

700
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:12.400
of Lucas's flaws as a dramatic storyteller, he is not

701
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:17.039
light on ideas that are challenging your notions of what

702
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:22.079
Star Wars can be. Yeah, I mean, and this is

703
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.639
this is an idea that comes This is an idea

704
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:25.679
that came from George.

705
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.239
You so much felony, where's your hat?

706
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.760
A wampa ate it? Oh?

707
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.480
My god, I'm so sorry to just skin that wampa

708
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:40.119
for taking it.

709
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.880
Yes, next question, how are you and Dave Filoni is

710
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.800
the good kind of yes man where it takes George's

711
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:53.159
idea and is able to fashion that into something that

712
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:54.519
is dramatically successful.

713
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.320
Yeah, absolutely, because it is.

714
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.639
It isn't It is a good idea. And this were

715
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.599
only like Dave Filoni existing within a vacuum, maybe it

716
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.679
would be just a little bit too reverential. I don't well.

717
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.360
I'm also thinking about Gendhy Tartakovski and how those three

718
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.880
seasons of Clone Wars that he made fit into your

719
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.199
preconception of what the Jedi were before we got the prequels.

720
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:27.480
They're superpower badasses and you're textually see episode is now

721
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:33.159
putting more dramatic import on the Clones versus ostensibly Who

722
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.679
are your two stars of the prequel trilogy? And that

723
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.360
means something and yeattle.

724
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:43.480
I wish man.

725
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:48.639
That's rule one is Maskie and the other ones a

726
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:49.800
smooth Shorty.

727
00:43:54.079 --> 00:44:02.760
Maskie and Shorty Shorty. I I I think that. Oh sorry,

728
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:08.159
that's so distracted thinking about smooth Shorty. I'm sent astray

729
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:14.920
by setting up jokes there is I'm trying to think

730
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:20.000
of like the like his compelling reason for the betrayal,

731
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.239
and I'm trying to think back on it because there's

732
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:27.000
still a lot of countering. Like He's like, I mean,

733
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.960
basically at its core, the way I took it was like,

734
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.039
we're just being thrown out there to be killed, and

735
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:34.360
whose war is this?

736
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.960
Which has been galvanized brilliantly. We got another banger ending

737
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.119
where the Jedi kind of walk off to more adventure

738
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.000
on the clones are just kind of left there and

739
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.519
it's a little bit of a bitter sweet, not even

740
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.920
bitter sweet, a bitter ending because these clones are blindly

741
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:57.639
following orders. Yeah, and Slick has a point, Yeah, I.

742
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.480
Mean this is they are a They are not droids.

743
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.760
They are human beings, and they are you can't deny that.

744
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.719
There's a touch of almost like there have to be

745
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.000
like some brainwashing in there. Right, You're raised with one

746
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:16.639
purpose and that is it. So what does it look

747
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.559
like when you do a different, like when you seek

748
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:19.199
something else?

749
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.559
It depends. We don't exactly know what the systems are

750
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.119
as of yet. We just know that the clones are

751
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.400
grown in big blue jars. They have some lunch they

752
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:30.159
learn in front of some screens and then at some

753
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:31.639
point they're given a gun to fight.

754
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.440
Yeah, and you see that, like we I think we've

755
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.719
already seen with Rooky. Nope, Rookies doesn't have it. There's

756
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.880
an episode later where you actually see like training actually

757
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.679
that same group, but it's like pre rookies. You see

758
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:52.480
them training and what that looks like. And yeah, but absolutely,

759
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:53.960
But I mean there has to be something kind of

760
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.920
inherent to it, right, I mean, whether I'm not saying

761
00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:02.000
it's brave New world asque while in vitro brainwashing, it's

762
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:06.159
more like you are raised with a purpose and that

763
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:12.280
is your whole purpose in this world. So of course

764
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.519
it's going to be interesting when someone's like I both

765
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:19.679
love my brothers and I'm also very contrary to this,

766
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.800
and I am like, I, you know, I can't really

767
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.280
look down on it. They push back really hard. They're like,

768
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.760
you're hurting us, You're hurting your brothers by doing this,

769
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:33.480
and it's like, but he's seeking justice on a grander scale,

770
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.480
you know, And I, yeah, I can't. I can't hate it,

771
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:41.000
you know. I think it's a great pushback. And also

772
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.320
two things can be true. This can be unjust and

773
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.639
also I love you. I love you so much.

774
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.639
This season at first laying the groundwork for like good

775
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.480
Space Adventures, and then we're peppering in, but like who's

776
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:54.400
the real Bad Days?

777
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.360
Who are the real Bad Days?

778
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:01.280
Two episodes that, in their own way interrogating some sort

779
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:10.360
of system or bureaucracy. Sure, calm down, I mean say

780
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:11.800
both of them were doing it well.

781
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.239
I didn't even I was just like how. At first,

782
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:15.320
I was like, what are you talking about?

783
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.559
And then I was like, oh, the other apps, you know,

784
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.559
I check episode that we both railed against or were

785
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:22.800
being dramatically functional list.

786
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.519
I don't even know how I was questioning bureaucracy. It's

787
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.800
just like, because it's clear enough, did I fall asleep?

788
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.800
Maybe maybe possibly one of those things where you watched

789
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.440
the episode and then at the same time your brain

790
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.199
was like, I don't I can just check out for

791
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.000
thirty minutes, right, Maybe I.

792
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.280
Mean the bureaucracy of having to go through the diplomacy

793
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.559
and have negotiations, I guess. But so I guess in

794
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:50.360
that way, there is a sort of respect for the

795
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:55.800
agency of a group of people and the I mean,

796
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.280
ostensibly it sounds like the Enterprise crews coming in just

797
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.320
being like why the to be this way, like just

798
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.320
fucking sign the thing and get over yourselves, like stop

799
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.119
having your own like beliefs, like ugh, diplomacy just prolongs

800
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:11.199
a crisis blah blah blah blah blah, nor which is

801
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.400
absurd by the way to be like why are these

802
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.639
people being so like difficult.

803
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.880
About this, which Star Trek can be if it just

804
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.400
like wakes up on the wrong side of the bed

805
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.199
and suddenly it's just like, ah, they're stupid. But then

806
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.320
the next week depends on how White presenting that they are.

807
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:33.519
Quite frankly Star Wars with Star Trek Star Trek, Yeah.

808
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.159
I'm thinking about like the Apple where they seem to

809
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.639
have a benevolent god and Kirk's like, nope, y'all have

810
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.119
darker skin yep.

811
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.800
And so I guess in that way, if we're looking

812
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.159
at systems that there's a real similarity and the Jedi

813
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.960
Order and the Senate just being like, yeah, what is

814
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.440
your agency? You don't really have any You have the

815
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.400
purpose and that's all you live for and that's all

816
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.960
you die for. Were like who are you to this?

817
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:05.960
And just get over it, like get over the bureaucracy.

818
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.599
Like the bureaucracy or like there is, we.

819
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.679
Must preserve the system. We must preserve the status quo.

820
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.639
And the preserving of the status quo means your body

821
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.719
is forfeit basically.

822
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.320
Which is my least favorite John Mayer song Your.

823
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:32.480
Body is Perfect. You're pregnant all the time, pregnant on

824
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:33.039
the time?

825
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:39.079
Boy?

826
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.719
Do we have anything else to say about these episodes

827
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.159
before we move on to the next segment?

828
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:46.639
I will tell you is that. I mean, we talked

829
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.039
about thematic connections, right, that's our thematic connection.

830
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.639
We pulled anything else, though not particularly. I imagine that

831
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.480
we'll have more to say during the ranking segment, but

832
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.239
until then, A.

833
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:03.000
Long time ago, I date this week, I quoted a boat,

834
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.800
I dated a geek, but none of them could warp

835
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:13.599
my drive into high birth space. The best of both

836
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:21.679
worlds kept me in the second place. Captain slog on

837
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:26.119
a hollow chron I wanted a snog. I penned a

838
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:34.639
song seventeen more minutes addies in Super high Depth aboard

839
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:42.559
the USS Enterprise DT, don't you take.

840
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:46.000
My walk lighter and clip boobs? Don't you take my

841
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:46.960
wretchered buddy?

842
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:47.719
And if it.

843
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:52.119
If you spill the tea, I'm gonna sip boobs my

844
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:53.119
starship it.

845
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.880
We shall now name favorite ships that sail through the

846
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.360
sky and our favorite ships that sail through our hearts.

847
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:12.480
Year you are are from either from either episode? I

848
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.000
don't know, then can I go first? U?

849
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.920
Yes, I will permit it, but tread Lightley counselor you're

850
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:18.599
on thin ice.

851
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:26.800
It's funny, ipe, that's our joke forever. Thank you, jesse errel.

852
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.199
Uh U.

853
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.760
I don't know what ship this is, and I should

854
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:37.320
have gone back and checked, but I presumably it is

855
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.000
the ship that Assage ventresses on that looks like a

856
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.920
giant virus. Do you know the one I'm talking about?

857
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.599
What am I crazy? I saw it in passing. There's

858
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:49.119
so many ships in this episode that it's like a

859
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:54.679
veritable feast, but I was like, holy moly. Also once

860
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.519
again proving that even though this is my segment, I

861
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:05.000
never prepare sure so I can look it up if

862
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.559
you think, well, you think of yours, but I just

863
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.840
remember it being like that ship is so cool?

864
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.480
Is it the fan Blade ship?

865
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.360
No, because that's her regular ship, which I've already loved

866
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.000
as being one of my favorites. Maybe it wasn't her ship.

867
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:19.400
I thought it was a ship that she came down on.

868
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.880
It looks like a giant it looks it looks like

869
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.800
a it looks like a virus like it kind of

870
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:27.920
comes down and has like a sort of end here

871
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.960
and then like the legs come out. That's like reddish

872
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:34.559
m hm. Anyway, it's rare.

873
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.480
While you examined that and see if there's a more

874
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.400
specific name. Although I've written a sage ventriss Viroship, I'm

875
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:45.239
kinda put an oldie but a goodie. Yes, the stap

876
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:47.079
what's that?

877
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:49.320
So you see this?

878
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.960
Famously, this was the very first toy that was released

879
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.559
for Star Wars Episode one, which was a battle droid

880
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.360
on his flying little bike really just kind of like

881
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.440
a flying but it was before Segus exist.

882
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.880
Oh yes, yes, there's a scene in the episode where

883
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.719
they like jump off and they jump on the one

884
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:11.559
like they like just throw the droids off and it's

885
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:12.239
very funny.

886
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.760
Yeah, that's called the step. And also, I mean I

887
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.519
really enjoy that design, possibly just for a nostalgia's sake,

888
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:22.679
because I remember that. And then the Mace window action figure.

889
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.280
Those two were the first two toys that you could

890
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.840
get for episode one and play with those, and they

891
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.360
were they were so endlessly fascinating from my then, uh

892
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.320
what that was nineteen ninety eight whenever those toys started

893
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:38.000
coming out ten years old, right, nine, ten years old,

894
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.480
and they're interested in that. So the step is mine

895
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:42.719
Ship of the week.

896
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.320
Love it. That's a great one. When I find any

897
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.039
of this thing, I'll tell you, But just believe me.

898
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.360
It was really cool.

899
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:55.519
That's when I believe you.

900
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.079
I didn't just make it up, right, Like, it's just

901
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.320
like in my brain, Like the.

902
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:01.920
More that you say that you didn't make it up,

903
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.239
probably it was starting to sound like you made this up?

904
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.239
Did I dream this? Did you dream this ship? And

905
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:11.840
just go I'm like so obsessed with viruses.

906
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:16.519
I think that you had four warm milkshakes because you

907
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.199
were so excited at the fact that you were having milkshakes,

908
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.519
and then you went to a classic warm milkshake dream

909
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.320
where you were just dreaming about the bacterias floating around

910
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:30.599
in the warm milkshakes. And because you fell asleep watching

911
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:32.320
Ahsoka for the fifth time.

912
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:33.280
Oh yeah.

913
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.440
The only thing that would have improved that is if

914
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:40.360
Aska had a helmet.

915
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:45.199
Yeah, and it would have been because Star Wars is helmets.

916
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:49.840
It's fine, I've given up. We'll pretend it's real anyway.

917
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:58.119
Emotional ships, emotional emotional relationships. I'm going to deliver on

918
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.239
my promise. Here we go, and I'm going to pair

919
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:02.800
Massage Ventriss with someone.

920
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:03.480
Here we go.

921
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.039
I've already put her with Anakin. I've already put her

922
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.440
with Obi Wan. So I can't redo those. I can't.

923
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.800
She's gonna put her with any random battle what oyah?

924
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.320
I put her with someone? Someone put her with a

925
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.440
battle droid. Oh oh, I put her with uh the

926
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:25.840
leader that he's the head of the he's part of

927
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.039
the separatists. He's like one of like the lead separatists.

928
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.360
He's like that lead droid guy. You know what I'm talking.

929
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.199
About, Wow, droid guy.

930
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:35.960
Man, I've got a lot. I'm saying a lot of

931
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:37.199
things that don't have any details.

932
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:38.760
Not one of the Pneumoidians.

933
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:40.960
No no, no, no, no, no no no no no.

934
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:47.119
Let me see what's his name? I got you. There's

935
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:49.599
tactic is it the tactical droid? Is it? Maybe it's

936
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:54.159
just a tactical droid. Okay, I'm putting I'm putting I'm

937
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:55.599
putting her with tactical.

938
00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:03.760
Droid, massage ventress and the tactical droid. What do you

939
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:04.239
want from me?

940
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:08.039
I want everything from you? Can I just can I

941
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:09.760
just just expand just slightly.

942
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:13.199
Yeah, I guess disappointing.

943
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.840
No it's not. And I want to hear more asloge

944
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.960
of interests, just to talk about this has chemistry with everybody, hm,

945
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:29.840
every droid, every Doku, every DOCU, every obi Wan Ahsoka.

946
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:32.840
But right now Ahsoka is too young, so we got

947
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.000
to keep her oud of it. She has she has

948
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:40.920
chemistry with everybody. So what I'm just demonstrating here, which

949
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:42.679
is the fact that you could put her with a

950
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.519
tactical droid and it would still be hot as ship.

951
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.440
She'd find she'd make it work. Sheould make it work

952
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.559
and it would be a little messy anyway. Kirk and Adonna.

953
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.559
Why because they were like Kirk was like, you have hair,

954
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:01.920
pretty sexy.

955
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:03.920
He does grab the back of her head in a

956
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.280
very attractive one. It's true, it's very gentle and sweet.

957
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:10.880
But what is not gentle and sweet is the central

958
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.039
conceit of this podcast. Of course, art is a binary.

959
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.320
It's either good or it's bad, and so do do

960
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.400
we become the arbiters of justice as we assign a

961
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:25.039
numerical ranking to both of these properties. Again, the market

962
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.679
getting from Star Trek the Original Series season three versus

963
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.039
Hitten Enemy from Star Wars the Clone Wars Season one Aspen.

964
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:33.599
Why don't you go first with Hidden Enemy?

965
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:38.079
Hidden Enemy? Man, I think we're just like still in

966
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:40.920
the same space of just like it's a banger. It's

967
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.880
like a seven point six banger.

968
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:44.559
Seven point six banger.

969
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.760
Yeah, I mean it's solid, it's interesting, it's got the

970
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:54.559
animation is getting better and better off, fabulous, interesting storylines.

971
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.519
Love to see characters get more highlight, more to do,

972
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:04.679
interesting stories coming forth, beautiful, a glorious time, ventest my girlfriend,

973
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:05.239
great time.

974
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:08.039
I think I'm going to give this one like a

975
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:08.920
six point.

976
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.760
Six Okay, weird.

977
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:17.320
It was good, and I still find myself it's just like,

978
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:21.119
wish there was just a little bit more judge to it,

979
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.239
that undefinable thing that, of course being objective critics of art, Yeah,

980
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:27.800
I can't get chem assigned to it.

981
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:33.679
That objective is what I'm looking for. Needs a little

982
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.800
bit more, you think, so, Yeah, I think maybe you

983
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:37.679
need a little bit more.

984
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:39.880
Well, you know what else needs a little bit more

985
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.199
judge the market Gideon. And I'm just going to hop

986
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:44.239
in with my ranking here. I'm just going to give

987
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.000
it a four. Yeah, I'm gonna give it a three

988
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.639
point nine, just because I'm feeling bitter.

989
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:51.039
Yeah, you sound like you're in a bad mood.

990
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:54.840
I made a pretty good mood today.

991
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.199
I gotta say, it sounds like you're feeling mean.

992
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.679
But the discussion of the mark of Gideon, it's just

993
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.679
it's disappointing. Sure, it is much much like a passive

994
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:09.320
aggressive father. I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed, just disappointed.

995
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:11.960
I mean, I'm a little better.

996
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.199
I'm a little mad about the mischaracterization of birth control

997
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.159
and the fact that everyone is forced to be pregnant

998
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:20.079
all the time just to live. Just to be clear,

999
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.480
the implications of their stupid world. It just presumes that

1000
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.800
people are popping out babies. Do they have resources for people?

1001
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.320
Do they have resources for those children? People are presumably

1002
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:33.840
living in absolutely horrific existence. What do you mean you

1003
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.880
love life? I know that's what it's leading them to this, Like, well,

1004
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:38.760
now we need to kill people off kind of thing.

1005
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.960
I get it, but like, fuck you, you don't fucking

1006
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:44.679
love life. You love the idea of life. You're just

1007
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:51.880
like any shitty person who doesn't support abortion. But it

1008
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:56.079
is wondering about my opinions. You don't actually love life,

1009
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.760
so get out of here. So it actually does make

1010
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.840
me grumpy from a fill's offical point of view. Anyway,

1011
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:03.880
what's my drinking?

1012
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.800
I know that women's rights are important, but like, what

1013
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:08.920
about the Star Trek episode? Oh?

1014
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:11.480
Sorry, well, you know what I'm gonna do. Spite rank it?

1015
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:18.880
Hell yeah, oh ooh you do love to see it?

1016
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:23.800
Ooh makes me feel good. You'll have to see it.

1017
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:26.039
I guess I should spite rink a Star Wars one

1018
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.559
eventually to balance it out. But I don't.

1019
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:29.480
I don't, I don't.

1020
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:30.320
I want to smart.

1021
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.719
Okay, Star Wars, while definitely being guilty of orientalism and

1022
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:41.440
just exoticism of cultures that are just not white. Uh,

1023
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:44.800
you know, the original series is a lot more brown face,

1024
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.320
which means that Star Wars wins the week.

1025
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.119
Great color me surprised.

1026
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.599
Hidden enemy is seven point one versus the mark of

1027
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:01.400
Gideon's paltry two point two. You do love to see it?

1028
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.159
Ask you fuck you, which is certainly not a sentiment

1029
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.320
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1030
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1031
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1034
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1039
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1040
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1044
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1045
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1050
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and watch Aspen wildly gesticulate in versions such as this.

1051
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:22.079
Aspen gotta say that's some good gesticulating you welcome. Any

1052
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.079
Any final.

1053
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.760
Thoughts before we call it a night, Uh nope.

1054
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.360
I love you and Aspen I love you too. An audience,

1055
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.800
we love you sincerely. Thank you so very much for listening.

1056
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1057
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