Jan. 20, 2024

The Trouble with Tribbles vs. Just My Luck/Bringing Up Norky

The Trouble with Tribbles vs. Just My Luck/Bringing Up Norky

The Trouble with Tribbles (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Just My Luck/Bringing Up Norky (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen and Kenny talk Star Trek bureaucracy, the excellent origin of the Tribbles script, shenanigans and luck, and how much they HATE the Ewoks character...

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The Trouble with Tribbles (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Just My Luck/Bringing Up Norky (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen and Kenny talk Star Trek bureaucracy, the excellent origin of the Tribbles script, shenanigans and luck, and how much they HATE the Ewoks character Norky.
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Thank you for listening. We'll see
you on the other side. Welcome to

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Trek Wars, the Internet's exclusive outlet
for trying to figure out which one is

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better, Star Trek or Star Wars. I am Kenny Madison to the Star

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Trek contingent with me as Per always
is host of this podcast, just the

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solo host of this podcast. That's
right, folks, you heard it from

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Kenny's mouth straight. I'm AskMen webster, this is my podcast. Well,

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look, as if you've got trouble
with me, if I got beef,

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if you got beef. I'm a
vegetarian and I am though. Fun fact

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about me, I'm a Star Wars
fan and a vegetarian in that order.

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Yeah. Hi, how are you? How do you do? I'm fabulous?

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How are you? Let's do fun. Yeah, it's not like we

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didn't just talk for forty plus minutes
on our Patreon episode. Let's let's let's

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pull a paulsh here at Jude Diane
Rayfiel. But we're not here to talk

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about the podcast. We're here to
talk about the things that we love the

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most in the world, Star Wars
and our Star Trek is Today we talk

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about some bar burners episodes from Star
Wars, Ewoks, Just My Luck and

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Bringing Up Norky, Oh My God, and Star Trek. The original series

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of the episode called Trouble with Trebles. I guess maybe you've heard about Who

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Cares Well? App iconic? Is
this the first time Anything is Our Worst

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has ever made a direct reference to
a classic Catherine Hepburn film. I think

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so? Okay, Well that's a
surprise, so but great one to do.

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You're going to do any of them? To bring it up? Baby

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well? To be fair, the
holiday special was originally entitled Guess Who's Coming

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to Life Day? Instead of like
on Golden Pond, it's like hots Pond

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hots frozen powd gathered up African crews? Is the the Daga crew Queen African

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Queen? Yeah? Instead of African
queen? Uh? It could be the

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Olderranian princess. It's good, It's
good, thank you? You know what

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else is going to ask? These
two episodes? Three? Also three episodes

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You Walk Doubles? Yes? Uh? Shall we well careed? Shall we

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get into it with some synopsis for
people that are playing the home game,

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Oh we could, but we could
also just keep talking about Katherine hepperg My

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basis, No, I think we
should just get the lead out. Did

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you know that Katherine Eppern's like one
of my favorite actresses, did not ask,

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did not want to know? Great, there's this one enterview she did

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with Joan Rivers where she was like, are you ever gonna wear a skirt?

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And then Tatherine better Hepern said yes, I will to your funeral.

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It's so good anyway, Yeah,
you want me to give an ewok's description

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if you wouldn't mind. Yeah,
So these two episodes, these two little

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ones contained within one episode, if
you will, Just my luck in bringing

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up Norki or released November twenty second, nineteen eighty six, famously not the

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day but not the year that JFK
was assassinated. Remember twenty second nineteen sixty

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three. Oh, I'm sorry.
I was thought that you were talking about

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nineteen eighty six, and I was
just like, I asked, but your

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history is not quite right. I
don't know JFK anyway. Director Dale shutts,

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of course, and then the writers
bring up an Orchy was Bob Corral

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and then Michael du Bille did Just
my Luck, and also Earl Crest did

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bring up Norky, who's that man. Who are these men? Should I

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know who these men are? No, I don't, not that I am

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aware of. I did not do
as much research as I should have on

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Eloch's episodes. Michael dubial I feel
like we have encountered before. Ooh.

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Earl Crest though he was looks like
he was staff writer and pinky in the

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brain. He did the story for
the Fox and the Hound animaniacs. Okay,

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so he is a cool dude,
ask dude, sweet? So yeah.

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The the description for Just My Luck, Tebo gives Wicket a bad lucks

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bride on accident which causes him to
fail his Warriors test. And just to

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be clear, we'll get into this, but apparently within eu Wok culture,

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you decide what you want to do
with the rest of your life when you're

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a child, and then you start
taking tests for it, and if you

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fail the test, they might be
like, well, you're a little dumb

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dumb and you're going to go clean
out the stables. I think is the

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future that Republicans want. Yeah,
I'm not feeling it, not feeling it,

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but yeah, no, I don't
know if you know this, I'm

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not feeling kind of structure of the
world interesting. Tibo tries to give him

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a good luck sprite, but that
little piece of shit is a bad lucks

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bright and he does not tell anybody
until it's too late. Seems like something

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little goblin spray would do anyway,
Bring it up. Norky, a troublesome

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HouseGuest who is my greatest foe.
I hate him with all of my being.

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I hate this stupid kangaroo child causes
Wicked to worry, not just wicketed.

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He fucks with all four of them. Yeah, he does. He

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does the Macaulay colkiin like child in
the good Son where like thing where it's

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like turns out he's like fundamentally evil
and people don't know it. And then

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elisuh Wood, Baby's like, I
think this might be a bad kid,

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and he's like, yeah, he's
a murderer anyway, That's what Noorgi is

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Like. Morki is a murderer,
causes Wicked to worry. But the Ewoks

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hatch a plan to humble him,
which goes wrong, and they're good people,

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they're not murderers, so they save
him. Did that makes sense?

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Yeah? See, this is the
thing. Until we have full asked descriptions

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for these episodes, people are gonna
have to hear me giving all of my

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commentary. Look, here's the thing
we've got. Yeah, yeah, counting

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this one, we've got three more
epps of Ewoks and then the promised Land

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Kenny, what's the promised Land Star
Wars Empire Strengths back, return of the

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jib Oh. I thought it was
another Ewoks thing, and I got upset.

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Yeah, we've got a whole after
this season, We've got three more

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seasons of You Walk. I would
kill you. I wouldn't like just like

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be like, hey, Kenny,
let's maybe just skip them for the sake

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of our sanity, or like,
you know whatever. I would find.

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Yeah, I would become Macaulay Culkin
Norki and I would I don't know.

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I only saw the movie once and
it was like twenty years ago. It

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sounds like The guts On for You
was more like The Troublesome Sun. And

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speaking of trouble, we got the
Trouble with Troubles. It was so bad.

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Trouble with Trebles written by David Gerald, with gene L. Kuhon doing

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an uncredited polished because that's his job. Directed by Joseph Pepne, aired December

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twenty ninth, nineteen sixty seven.
How do you like them apples? It

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sounds like Christmas came late and for
the Late Christmas edition of TV Guide,

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the synopsis is Captain Kirk, assigned
to protect a vital green shipment at a

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space station, finds that he has
troubles with Tribles. That's right, Tribles,

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balls of purring fluff that live on
green and are incredibly prolific. A

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Shenanigan filed episode. This is editorial
note on my Shenanigan filled episode. I

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think we've got three Shenanigan filled episodes. Yeah, that's going to be a

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commonality. Let's get into it first
impressions Aspen, Yes, Kenny, oh,

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do you remember watching the Trouble with
Tribles? I do remember watching it,

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okay, and then so you have
seen this episode. I have seen

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this episode, and notably, I've
seen the Deep Space nine episode where they

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go back in time during this episode
and they're inserted into it, into the

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action of it. That's the most
recent one I saw, because I think

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the last time I actually saw Trouble
with Tribles was before, like years before.

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What is need to talk about?
Trials and tribulations real quick, because

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it's been brought up now because this
could talk about fan service, a thing

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that both of us can't have opinions. That is really funny. It's funny

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because I thought about you when I
was thinking about that, I was thinking,

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I was like, yeah, because
we act like Star Trek is like

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immune to these things. I mean
we're like, oh, lower decks of

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course refers back to it, but
that's special, and I feel like it'll

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be like, well, Star Wars
is so fan servicey, but like Star

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Trek is to exist on its own
marits, and it's like, well,

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then there's this episode. The thing
about Star Trek, though, is that

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whenever it does fan service, or
at least whenever it did fan service between

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the years of nineteen eighty seven to
like two thousand and three, it was

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so spaced out pun intended that whenever
it happened, whenever it was referencing those

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things, it was so special.
Like the two parter with leonardiemoy on Next

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Generation Unification, they were like spot
Spot Spot's going to be here. It

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just it, and fan service felt
truly truly special on those things, as

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opposed to I think how it can
happen in certain other properties Star Wars the

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Force Awakens, where it's streaming at
you like this, love this, you

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need to love this. Anyways,
Tribulations is a lovely, wonderful episode and

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probably can't function as its own narrative, but because it doesn't have to,

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it doesn't have to. It's the
whole thing is built off of the literal,

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the literal episode of the Trouble with
Troubles, which is a joy.

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Yeah, it's funny, it's great. What they do in that das Night

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episode is wonderful and funny, and
it's it makes a lot of sense.

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They are also on a deep space
station in Troubles and Tribulations are in Trouble

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with Dribles. They're also on a
deep space station. Yeah, so it

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makes perfect sense. Yes, no, And it's really great because Jazia Dex

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is like, look at my outfit
and I'm like, yeah, a great

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which reminds me a great joy of
Troubles with Tribles is aurah the entire time.

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Uh, yes, here's the thing. Yes, look, I use

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this word all the time. I'm
gonna use it again. Icon iconic episode

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of Start Direct It is I think, I think Kirk in the Big honkin

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Pilot triples at the end of the
episode. Oh yeah, is an iconic

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image? Uh, if it's not
iconic, then it's just been used on

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a whole bunch of press materials.
Either way, you can force something to

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be iconic, but we're not here
to debate how thing to become iconic.

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What this episode is fabulous, that
is using the entire ensemble. It really

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does everyone except for Sulu, who
is off filming the Green Berets. Oh,

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that's why. That's why everyone has
something to do in this episode,

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which is extremely rare. Yeah,
and it's funny every single time. It's

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like it's like everybody was given the
directive of you know, what are the

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defining characteristics of your character, what
do you like the most about your character?

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And just go do it and have
the most fun you've ever had.

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Except for Kirk or Shatner, who
I assumed they were like, go make

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fun of yourself and be a little
bit, a little bit reckless. It's

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great, it's really fun. I
think it's always fun to see Kirk be

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a little his power obviously but like
a little flustered. Yes, we're at

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it. It's really fun for me, because the episode ultimately is doesn't bureaucracy

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suck? Yeah, which is its
own kind of thing that we could dissect

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and be like sure, once again, they don't like ambassadors, they don't

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like diplomats, they don't like people
like that. They're like only military force

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because the reason they even come is
because they're you know, they got the

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signal, they got the Priority one
distress call from Nils Parris and they're like,

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what do you need? Oh my
gosh, we're here to save you

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probably from those dastardly clingings. And
then they're like, oh, you need

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us to protect Grain that I don't
even understand, Like fuck you. And

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it's like, hey, Kirk,
sorry that you didn't get to come in

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guns a blaze. And maybe this
is where kirkdrift comes from, you know,

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like maybe this is where we start
to think, like that you're this

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kind of guy, but sorry that
you had to come in and actually do

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an equally valid and important kind of
thing because people actually need Grain to survive.

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Like he literally like the guy that
he's dealing with is a jerk,

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believe me. But Kirk is such
an asshole to him because he just doesn't

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like doing this job because it's not
cool, and I love that. I

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think it's initial expectations. Kirk's initial
expectations were colored by the fact that he

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used the Priority one distress signal,
which you only use for tip top emergencies.

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Having the grain protected is an emergency, but I think that is that

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you shouldn't use the Priority one distress
signal for something that you know you could

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have just caught the Enterprise over calmly
okay, but the under Secretary was adamant

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that Sherman's the grain must be protected
Sherman's planet because also this has to be

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a little bit of a Cold warforce
because both the Federation and the Klingons the

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Cold warfares on Star Trek, which
is wild because they're both buying for this

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planet, right, and the station
becomes a proxy for this battle between the

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Federations and the Klingons clans clans.
Sorry, you're correct, it is pronounce

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Klingons clanans. And the grain becomes
incredibly important for the Federation or to maintain

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dominance on Sherman's planet. Counterpoint Kirkspiel, little baby, you're right. He's

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like, I don't understand what this
grain and does everybody else understand what this

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grain is and they're like yeah,
and he's like, well, excuse me

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direct. Yeah. Ah, he's
understandably grumpy, but I I don't like

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him deciding that the military is better
than this. He's like, I got

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shit to do. I don't want
to help protect people surviving with essential grain.

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Which, of course, the twist
is that the under Secretary's assistant is

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a Klingon in disguise, which I
guess just means that he shaved his beard.

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And yes, okay, so this
says I believe the third appearance of

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the Klingons, Thank you so much. Sure, continuing pronouncement, that's how

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it's pronounced episode, it's been pronounced
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it's Klingons. Yeah. When did
they decide to lose the brown face?

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then in Friday's Child in this episode, they just got white folks. Yeah,

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and suddenly the politics of depiction of
Klingons becomes a little bit less problematic

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because they were like, because they
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wild thing is that a spoiler alert
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wait within tos ors, also just
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is not something that we have engaged. And I was listening to an interview

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with Michael Dorn on the Shuttle Pod
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talking to other Star Trek actors,
and they were talking about Michael Dorn,

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who plays Warf spoiler Aspen, I
know, you know who I know we're

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from is DS nine, not because
I haven't seen really any next year Yeah,

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and talking about the casting process and
Michael Dorm's like, honestly, I

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think they were just casting someone like
me because it was just quicker for the

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makeup process. Yeah, because I
do. When I think of Klingon's,

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I think it is usually black actors
they have playing Klingons, right, m

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like almost exclusively. Yeah, and
they are going to I mean going back

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to DS nine martalkh Yeah, white, that's true white actor. Yeah.

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white actor. Oh his son, yeah

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spoiler. Well you met Alexander and
DS nine, Yeah, that's what I

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mean for other people. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, not exclusively.

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I'm very wrong in that way,
but I'm sure. But also I'm still

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I'm sure people who are much smarter
than me have had many conversations around the

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implications of making having an alien race
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and have black face, and then
being very barbaric. Sure, there's a

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lot of common, varying complexity around
that and its implications, but we don't

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have to get into that. I
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Trek depicts alien races, which are
these monocultural things that you visit any planet

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and it's one culture. Maybe every
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you have a planet that has two
cultures, in which case the episode is

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about fight. How are these two
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It's always it's like the Star Wars
joke we always make, which is like,

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Wow, I'm really glad they went
to the front door of that planet.

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The whole planet is one big front
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massive planet. So like, I'm
so glad we went to the exact right

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spot on this planet. Luke sax
Wing crashed right where Yoda's hobbl is.

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Yeah, it's great. Every every
single time, the right moment. The

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only time I've ever like in Star
Wars. Star Wars like have had to

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think about the enormity of the galaxy
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beginning of Empire when they send out
when the Empire sends out at the beginning

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of Empire, when the Empire sends
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to track them down. They've had
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like you send one per planet,
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is the only time we've ever had
vast biome differences, So yes, and

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Wars so far. So far,
Or like Neboo, but if Neboo still

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is like the same on either side
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to get to the other side of
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a big deal. So we get
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with Phantom Menace anyway, Also,
most of Far has its freaking suburbs.

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and then like up north, it's
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like most of far I was a
really culturally rich place. But then like

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of course Lord Vader moves in.
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flight happens, and now I'm having
to pay fifty dollars when I've around driving

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to you know the lava. Yeah, yeah, all this folks have lived

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there and had houses on most Afar
for generations, just like being pushed farther

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and farther out. Believable, unbelievable, unbelievable. So Trouble with Tribles a

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really funny ass episode. Let me
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a far uh you know what's funny? When you meet you? Were's so

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many man uh watching If you were
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time, how many times have you
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ten, quite honestly, all right, all right, but not more.

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a whole lot more. And yeah, the things that were the most rotation

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in my household whenever it came to
Star Trek were definitely the movies. So

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I don't know how many times did
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was actually something that I came up
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high or high school. Cute,
think you cute? Was it called junior

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high when you went to it?
Or is it called middle school? Yes?

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Wow, Oklahoma weird. Was it
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seventh? It was seventh through ninth
and then so that's a straight up junior

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high. But then whenever I entered
ninth grade, I went into the ninth

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grade center, and then my former
junior high became a middle school. Ah

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okay, so it was just like
offset by about a year. Yes,

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you're just you're the weird. You're
the weird middle ground between these two concepts

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of junior high and middle school.
You're the weird middle ground. What was

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the question that was involved in How
many times that I've seen this episode?

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Yeah, it's been a bunch,
Yeah, it's been a bunch. I

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was thinking if you if it was
your first time ever watching this episode?

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when I was watching it, which
was likely. How is the storyline with

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the cleanions connected to these tribles?
Like you know what I mean? Because

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they seem fairly independent of each other, like because all these shenanigans going on

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with these tribbles or they just keep
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what's going on here. And then
there's this cold War ask situation of his

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Klingons being on the space station at
the same time as the crew being there

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for like effectively a sh or leave
and having a brawl, which is also

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great, and then they are It's
just it's very clever the way it's kind

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of the discovery of like that's how
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and that's also how you find out
that the sidekick dude is undercover clan.

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I think that necessitates a little bit
of Star Trek Deep Dive. Oh

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oh sorry, I spoke over the
fun sound effect. Do it again,

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Dude, Do again, Tipe Prey, Star Trek, Deep Dive, Captain

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and Bridge. Okay, So aspen
uh this is going you might want to

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grab onto something. Oh fuck.
And for folks that are listening, I

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do a lot of my research from
the Marvelous These Are the Boys just season

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two from Mark Cushman. This episode
was written by David Gerald. This is

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his first credited screenplay ever. Oh
my god, what he was twenty three.

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This is his first job in the
film industry. Actually, this was

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his second job in the film industry. His first paid job was some polishing

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on the episode. I mud this
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Okay, that's wild, because this
is good. I mean it's you're talking

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about the experience of someone that is
coming in to watch this episode and is

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necessarily attached to all the cultural baggage
and how all of this makes sense now

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put them on a twenty three year
old child fresh from USC. It was

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just like, I love Star Trek, I love movies, I love science

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fiction. I'm gonna go work on
this. And then Gene Kun, who

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is the showrunner on this, this
just doesn't happen. But also, this

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is going to be a running motive
in Star Trek and one of the things

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that sets this franchise apart because this
was just part of a spec script package.

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You're familiar with the concept of scripts, no, okay, So spec

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scripts are a common practice where folks
will just write a script for a TV

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show unpaid. They just write it. Oh, and they just do it.

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They just write it, and then
sometimes it gets sent in just as

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representation and it could get someone hired
for a job, or sometimes it's just

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to kind of show someone that you
know what to do. And the idea

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for this not even the screenplay necessarily, but the idea for this was just

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written on spec and given to sent
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Star Trek and they were just like, yeah, let's meet with Kin.

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So can is this the kind of
thing where like anyone can write a specscript

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and send it. Yeah, Like
Hollywood doesn't. The Hollywood doesn't work like

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this anymore really, because you need
to have representation, got it? So

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I can't just like be like bring
back. I don't know. I'm like,

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Mike, here's my specs script for
this is us? We cry,

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I don't know. Well accept This
is what many film festivals with screenwriting competitions

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do, like Austin Film Festival.
You can write specscripts and compete oh wow

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in these things, and you use
it as a networking tool. We know

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people who've won those things. Yep, all right, I feel like I've

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I say that just because I have
seen people I do know who. You're

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like, oh, my script one
at this thing, and I'm like,

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what does that mean? Is it
going to become a movie? I don't

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know what this looks like. I
don't work in the film industry. No,

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not okay, Usually no, okay. Usually specscripts don't get developed into

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things. Hollywood is different now than
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this is rare because Gene Kuhn was
like, let's bring the kid in.

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Uh huh, and basically it was
just like, let me show you the

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ropes. David Gerald and was just
like, you don't have it yet.

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Here's what, here's here are some
guidelines. Let's massage this and basically worked

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with David Gerald to get him to
be a working screenwriter, which is uh

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wait generous and Hollywood very rarely go
hand in hand. What what? What?

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What? How? Why? Because
just because he felt like it,

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he was like, this guy's got
spunk. Yeah, yes, yeah,

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well good for David and so yeah, David Gerald just sent this in on

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spec. And then, if I
am remembering, these are the voyages correctly,

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like that spec was sent in January
of sixty seven or something along those

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lines. And then when Gene Coon
worked with David Gerald for months and months

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and months to get this massaged and
eventually ended up with The Trouble with Troubles

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his first produced script. That's wild. I'm not looking at other stuff he's

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done, and it's mostly like in
terms of writing, like he did an

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animated Star Trek animated series, like
it's like a few apps like you see,

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oh he did like Land of the
Lost. That's cool. Yeah,

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Editor David Gerald becomes a science fiction
author and then will come back for Star

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Trek the Next Generation and becomes part
of the brain trust of Next Generation,

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helps really helps shape what that show
becomes fundamentally, and then is eventually fired

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because Roddenberry was well we'll get into
that later. As we've alluded to many

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times, Ruddenberry not exactly the greatest
guy, but David Gerald helps form the

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DNA of what Next Generation becomes.
Just a little buddy, He's just a

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little bunny under the trivia for him
on IMDb, it says wrote The Trouble

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with Triples the most popular episode of
Star Trek. A fun what a fun

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trivia written so objectively like, is
it the most popular episode of Star Trek?

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I mean we're talking about one of
the most beloved ones. I suppose.

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I mean, there is a real
argument to say that this might be

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next maybe sitting on the edge of
forever, I was going to say,

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that's my favorite episode. Yeah,
it's not nearly so hilarious. It's mostly

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makes me cry, whereas this one
made me a chuckle a lot. Yeah.

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Actively funny, yes, very and
very fun and very Yeah. I

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mean, if we could all just
have someone take a shine to us and

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help guide us through a project and
become the best version of ourselves, we

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can be. Wow, we'd really
have a great time, wouldn't we?

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And this is the wild thing that
will continue on through Star Trek, through

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Star Trek Enterprise, like with individual
writers and like being mentored and stuff or

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being brought on like as brand new
people. And I'll just lay the seed.

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We'll get into it. This is
subsequent year. I'll lay the space

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seed openscript submission policy. What we'll
get into it, you'll just get you'll

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just get excited about it, and
then we'll talk about it. Wow later.

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It's just Star Trek, is I
mean, of course Star Trek is

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an anomaly of a franchise, and
it's wild that it has existed for almost

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sixty years to this point. Not
many things have that kind of longevity,

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especially something that is can be so
absolutely idiosyncratic. You're idio scenecrad. I

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agree. You know, I heard
George Lucas said a similar thing, but

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he only opened it up to Steven
Spielberg to just give him commentary and then

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referred to him the entire time as
the director. We're passive aggressive behavior from

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George by all accounts. Uh,
it's just terrible. Uh with people.

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He's yeah, he's just not He's
just not a people person. I just

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like to be on my ranch,
you know. I like toys like Star

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Wars. Star Wars. Do you
walk? So you remember watching this episode

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back in nineteen eighties? M,
yeah, and I see I do.

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At the days I was doing Is
that a call? Was that a call?

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I can't answer that question. I
don't know if you were on the

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call. I was doing a training, doing a training well for my like

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tech job, right, your voice
dropped three actors whenever you said tech drum

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and I called something rad in the
training and in the training, I went,

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I've been saying rat a lot late, which is that an eighties term?

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Like cold people? In the chat
tell me if that's an eighties term,

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and if it is, I'm allowed
to because I was born in the

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eighties. It is what I said
in I feel like if you want to

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know what kind of trainer? Yeah, yeah, yes, or even saying

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it for a while. I feel
like I've been saying it for a while.

394
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.880
Mm hmm. It's like something I've
started saying more lately. Maybe I've

395
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:30.960
picked it up from as like a
language, you know, like you listen

396
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:34.480
or watch a lot of things,
and people will say things a lot.

397
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.159
Since I've watched so much Dimension twenty
on dropout television over the past few months,

398
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.840
I think they say rat a lot. Someone must say rat a lot.

399
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.920
Brettanley Mulligan says incredible a lot.
So I've started saying those quite a

400
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.920
bit so anyway, But we're not
here to talk about drop that. We're

401
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.000
here talking about the artistic merits of
Star Wars he Walks and the two episodes

402
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.320
that we've got this week, just
my luck and bringing up NARKI. But

403
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.039
to your question, I yes,
I recall the last year of the eighties

404
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.800
fondly excellent. That's crazy that you
have a uh, you have a photographic

405
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.800
memory about your babyhood. Uh huh, I saw a lot of shit just

406
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.159
the Berlin Wall. Yeah, you
remember where you were, exactly where I

407
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.440
was. We had to talk about
Michael Jubil before. Uh in just looking

408
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:28.000
because I remember researching who this writer
was, and he has just these two

409
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.440
credits of Ewoks episodes and no other
credits, which is so fascinating. I

410
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.440
noticed that too, because I because
I always checked them now to be like,

411
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.639
am I a bad person? Who
should remember this guy who wrote Batman?

412
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.199
And the answer is yes, yes, you are a bad person usually,

413
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.320
but this guy, this guy,
sorry, it's really loud. What

414
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.639
was that? Okay, it was
a motorcycle? This guy, I was

415
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.800
like, just e Walks, I
guess so, yeah, I know.

416
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.199
Yeah, he did the same thing
happened to him. He came in with

417
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.559
the Specs script for you Wax.
He was like, this is my favorite

418
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:12.159
show ever made. I'm just I'm
skeptical. Man. What an interesting time

419
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:19.280
for Star Wars at this point in
the late nineteen eighty six year. And

420
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.000
the Box and Droids, which is
again the thing that I reiterated so many

421
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:28.679
times, these two shows will basically
just vanish from the consciousness of what is

422
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:35.920
Star Wars pretty soon. I'm trying
to think, yeah, because as soon

423
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.519
as we are done, Alasta John
Bad too much. But as soon as

424
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:43.719
we were done with this, we're
jumping to years later, years later.

425
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:49.800
No, yeah, so I mean
you've got you've got the books Air to

426
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.360
the Empire and that kind of repilots
Star Wars a little bit, and then

427
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.320
the special editions. But we'll get
to special editions repiloting the Star Wars narrative

428
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:06.159
later. Yeah. Obviously I've never
seen these c Woks episodes before. No

429
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.079
one has, No one has,
even freaking Paul Deaney story editor. It

430
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:13.320
was just like, don't remember those
episodes? No, you worked on them

431
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.719
for months? Yeah? No,
no, I don't think so. I

432
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:24.360
believe in the general research that I've
done for e Walks, I saw someone

433
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:28.840
we'll get to the Nirki of it
all. I think someone has said Nirki

434
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.639
is the worst character in all of
Star Wars. I whoever that person is,

435
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:40.079
I agree. I have fucking never
hated someone more than Yirky. But

436
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:52.079
what about the droid in the episode
where they're with the droids and there's the

437
00:37:52.159 --> 00:38:01.559
droid that is basically a Catskills comic. Oh, I forget what her name

438
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:07.440
is. That guy did suck?
Look I sucked. His great character,

439
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.159
but at least he doesn't talk that
much. At least he is not a

440
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:17.480
comic that is acknowledging how funny his
jokes are. Okay, and also I

441
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.119
okay, this is good. Let's
let's qualify it. Let's qualify it.

442
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.760
Let's qualify. Here we go,
Nirki, Nirki. It's not an annoying

443
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.039
character, He's not. I don't
find him to be annoying. I find

444
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.840
him to be absolutely evil to his
core. His conduct is unbecoming of a

445
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:45.239
gentleman. Yeah, he is not
a nice guy. He's so bad and

446
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.280
he's a child, And that really
scared me. I was like, this

447
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.000
is a child, and by the
end of this episode, his parents don't

448
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.559
know how bad of a child he
was. No, he was. He

449
00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.440
was more than a bully, Like
he was cruel and a like a liar.

450
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:04.599
Like. It was the kind of
thing where I was like, if

451
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.119
I were a therapist treating this child, I would be like, I'm a

452
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:13.039
little worried about, like, have
you experienced a tremendous amount of trauma that

453
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:20.039
has Like some of the the symptoms
here that I'm seeing are emblematic of like,

454
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.000
well, what terrifying disorder. Look, let's establish you're not just speaking

455
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:28.239
from the hip like you're you're a
license not anymore, but I was a

456
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:34.000
license there. But yes, you
are a former LCSW LMSW, thank you

457
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.800
so much. And as a former
l MSW, you are qualified to provide

458
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:45.519
a psychological profile fornky. So since
FBI hire me? Yeah, if we

459
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.199
could exercise this, what do you
think? What do you think the home

460
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.000
life is of Narki? What kind
of disorders do you think that Narki suffers

461
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:59.000
from. Let's be clear about something. Typically, when people have what we

462
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.320
would qualify as personality disorders, like
which is what you think that Norkis offers

463
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.039
from. Yes, when they have
like borderline personality disorder, or they have

464
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.480
narcissistic or histrionic or oppositional defiance disorder
like all these different things. Uh,

465
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.920
that's not that's not a personality disorder. There's one that he would have antisocial

466
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:20.440
personality disorders. What if I were
like, I have to put this down

467
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.480
for insurance purposes, but this is
actually unethical to have to diagnose anyone with

468
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.639
anything when it's very complex. But
if I had to, yeah, this

469
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.559
is what That's what I would call
it. We had SM five, we

470
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:35.480
have to bring up NARKI. Yeah, like I bringing up we have to

471
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:40.519
bring up Nokie. Let's talk about
Marquie. But personality disorders, it's not

472
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:45.239
like they just arise out of nowhere
like typically, it's because of like deeply

473
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.800
like traumatic situations that are happening.
So seeing that kind of antisocial behavior,

474
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.840
which is so so acute, I
would be like, what the fuck's going

475
00:40:53.000 --> 00:41:00.360
on? Like is everyone okay?
I wouldn't be able to do that because

476
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.360
I can't do this, but like, uh, I would be like,

477
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.679
is there some type of yeah,
like some traumatic event that has happened in

478
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.960
this kid's life, whether purposeful or
not. I'm not saying it's like ongoing

479
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.119
abuse or anything, but like I'd
want to get to like the crux of

480
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.960
like, Hey, what's this history. I'd be like, something like some

481
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.960
acute situation happened, maybe an ongoing
thing we don't know about, because that

482
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.840
kind of behavior I would hope doesn't
come out of nowhere because if it does,

483
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.039
this is the kind of thing where
you're trying to argue about it.

484
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.679
Does evil exist in the world?
If you saw an orchy, you'd be

485
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.440
like, yes, yes it does. In the nature versus nurture debate,

486
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:40.119
which won't perpetually rage, it does
seem like in this instance it is nature.

487
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.920
His parents seem quite milk a toast, Yeah, which again you can't

488
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.760
always tell, but yeah, they
were like that's true. They could be

489
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.840
presenting quite well, as does Narki. Whatever he is presenting to those that

490
00:41:52.920 --> 00:42:00.079
he deems socially desirable, because you
recka the logical liar. He recognizes the

491
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.199
he recognizes the hierarchical stratification and is
attempting to utilize whatever tools in order to

492
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:14.079
meaningfully progress himself and endear himself to
those with power. That's exactly what he's

493
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.800
doing. Here's the thing, here's
the kind of a little bullshit child that's

494
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:25.079
gonna go into finance and destroy the
world through consulting. Yeah. Look,

495
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:31.280
I wrote down, Uh, this
is a real so this is a real

496
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:37.000
centrist episode, and I wrote down
Narki definitely a proud boy. Oh yeah,

497
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.079
but like even like worse than that, Like I think not that there's

498
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.679
anything worse than a broad boy,
but I think in the way that it's

499
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.880
a little what's worse than a boy. Yeah, what's what we say is

500
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.280
worse in Broadway? For really to
rank them, I would say just like

501
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.840
straight up Nazi, then a proud
boy like KKK broad Boys, you know,

502
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:59.039
and then and then at the very
bottom, Narki. No, NARKI

503
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.840
way up there. No, but
like up there. But a different kind

504
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:10.159
of evil is like the kinds of
people that work at these consulting or these

505
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.440
types of firms that are just doing
all the dealings that literally tear the world

506
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:22.199
apart. Yeah, and make sure
that child slavery is continued and that abuser

507
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.360
stay in power, like those kinds
of places. Like that's what he would

508
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.599
be when he got older. As
I feel like he conceded, the podcast

509
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.000
is getting away from us just a
little bit, just a little bit.

510
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:38.840
Okay, Well, I hate narchy
so much. There's another character later in

511
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:45.880
Clone Wars that I also hate with
all of my heart and soul, which

512
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.519
kind of comes close. So we'll
get there, we'll get there. He's

513
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.599
a real goddamn piece of shit.
Okay, we'll get there. But we're

514
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.119
we're here with just my luck and
bringing up Narki. Now, what is

515
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.559
nice about just my luck? Look? I deal in themes on what's greatest

516
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.840
that the moral of just My Luck
is literally spelled out by a character asking

517
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.000
what's the moral of the story,
which I appreciate because I like to figure

518
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:14.159
out what these episodes are attempting to
say. It does. Just my Luck

519
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:21.119
does have a lovely framing mechanism where
sweet baby Milani is trying to paint and

520
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.119
is having a hard time, and
he's like, well, I once had

521
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.760
a hard time. Yeah, and
then we go back to what essentially is

522
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:36.639
operating against the pilot of ewoks.
I know, like I was genuinely okay,

523
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:37.639
so this is the first episode.
Yeah, you're right, thank you

524
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.880
for diffusing me. I was going
to keep talking about how much I hated

525
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.440
Narki. Well, so good to
go back to the other episode. I

526
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.679
do, I do want to.
No, No, structurally I need to

527
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.559
because we are in the nirky zone. But no, this is really We'll

528
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.920
talk about Just My Luck and then
we'll get back to bringing up Norki because

529
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.880
I still have more thoughts about bringing
Upnarky, which is a interesting episode.

530
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:06.679
But Just My Loge sensibly is just
about don't give up on your dreams.

531
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.840
That is the moral that is literally
stated in No uncertain terms. That's what

532
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:17.880
the story meant. Sure, it
also is like if you I think the

533
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.840
other moral that was not explicitly stated
was if you live in a society where

534
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.840
you have to decide which you want
to be and then you quote fail the

535
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.239
test, you are then shuttled into
another type of work for the rest of

536
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.480
your life that you don't want to
do. Well. To be fair,

537
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:42.679
the warrior what Chirpum that is administering
the test, Chief Chirpa. Chief chir

538
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.039
administering the test said that he could
take it again. Yeah, but he

539
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.039
said maybe we don't know when,
but then he just got to take it

540
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:55.840
immediately. Yeah. By the way, there is clearly a pathway for uh

541
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.480
Nissa to become the leader of the
group. Oh yeah, that was so

542
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.280
interesting because Nissa, who is the
daughter of Chief Chirpa, even though she's

543
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.800
a Nepo baby established within, she
still has to pass the test. Now,

544
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.719
granted we don't know what the test
looks like. Perhaps the test was

545
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:19.159
skewed so her it's it's assured that
she could pass the test. But I

546
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:23.079
don't think the writers were thinking about
that. No, It's very funny to

547
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:25.880
me, Like, I'm like,
how many other people are taking the test

548
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.119
to see if they're going to be
the next chief of the tribe, and

549
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:37.320
are they all also his children.
Well, now that you're seeing this Aspen,

550
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.400
how many other Ewok children have we
seen. We've seen walklings. Yeah,

551
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.800
we see a lot of little bubbubs
and we've seen I mean in the

552
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:51.639
first season, I feel like,
uh Malatti was aged up and was another

553
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:58.360
Ewok friend, but then she got
aged down. Yeah she's going she's not

554
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.400
like so little as the ones that
are like right, but she is like,

555
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:07.519
oh she's she is working on her
basic motor skills. She just trying

556
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.400
to bait. I guess if they're
like the age they're all like twelve ish,

557
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.119
is their vibe is twelve? And
then Malani has like nine year old

558
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:24.239
kids kid's sister vibes. Yeah,
so, but I guess the ones that

559
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:30.719
we've seen the other like younger Ewoks
are like there's like teenagers. There's like

560
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:37.440
a lot of brothers and stuff.
Yes, wickets brothers that we saw way

561
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.000
more up in the first season,
but I think I made a cursory appearance

562
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.360
here in this season. Yeah,
they're there. And then there's little baby

563
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.559
babies that's kind of it. Yeah, so maybe these are the only four

564
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:59.519
Ewok children, which makes the idea
that their pathways are warrior, Chief,

565
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:15.360
sorcerer, and hat maker. I
just made you laugh and then you coughed

566
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:23.440
and then you cat That's how funny
it was. Yeah, it was,

567
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.360
yeah, I you know, I
but it's a really funny. It's a

568
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.599
great episode. Tebow t Bot did
again and tried to get him good luck

569
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:39.320
and instead got him a bad luck
Grimlin And then also in keeping with the

570
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.760
cosmic horror aspect of Wolf in the
Fold, our last episode. But this

571
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:52.400
is externalizing yet another thing that is
more of a concept luck and being embodied

572
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:59.679
with our bad luck sprite yeah,
which is the subtitles lux brite, one

573
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:14.079
word good to know. Yeah,
And I don't treating environmental conditions, things

574
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:21.239
that are out of your control,
characterizing those things into one person, one

575
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:30.639
character that can be dealt with much
like similarly, but I bring Wolf in

576
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:37.519
the Fault up because that was the
cosmic embodiment of fear and the questions that

577
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:45.480
we're asking that episode of why this
narrative device of characterizing this broad concept,

578
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:51.440
right, why why is this the
trope? Why why do this? And

579
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.119
the answer is because it offers a
clean narrative function in order to deal with

580
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.960
something that's a little bit complex,
which is probably the most that anyone is

581
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.000
critically thought of the e Walk episode
Just My Luck an episode four babies.

582
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:09.280
But now that you've said that,
it's now making me realize that it's a

583
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:16.760
very irresponsible thing to share with a
child who's trying to figure out what her

584
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.239
talents are, which she loves,
what she enjoys, and for him to

585
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.920
come back and be like I once
failed, or I once found myself in

586
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.639
a place where I thought I was
going to quit, but actually had nothing

587
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.480
to do with my own skill.
It had everything to do with an external

588
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.920
thing about Luck entirely. And then
we overcame him and I was good to

589
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.719
go. If I heard that as
a child trying to figure out what I

590
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.880
loved, I'd be like, yeah, as opposed to the narrative that is

591
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.840
also possibly alluded to, which is
you can come back and take the test

592
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:52.920
again. But no, Wicked was
a good warrior the entire time, but

593
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:57.519
it wasn't his fault. Yeah,
which is annoying to me, But I

594
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.840
guess the whole of this season is
about him trying to become a better warrior.

595
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.239
So that's like what he's doing,
He's trying to improve his skill set.

596
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.719
But I but it is a little
it's annoying. Look thematically, that's

597
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:13.960
not the most annoying thing. I
think with the two episodes of the Walks

598
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.960
that we have, the most annoying
thing is the centrist nature of bringing up

599
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.840
Narki, which is that memore.
Oh Aspen, you already know, you

600
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.639
feel it in your bones. The
fact that it's uh, it lies on

601
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.400
the it lies on the shoulders of
the victims in order to make amends.

602
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:38.920
Uh. Because the the the folks
that we identify with our avatars, that

603
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:44.000
we experience the narrative with, and
we experience how annoying Narki is because Nirki

604
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:50.400
is an actual terrorist and should be
dealt with. I hate them. And

605
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.760
there's no way that you could just
be like, NARKI, don't do that,

606
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:59.119
because they've already vocally, they've already
voiced their discontent, and Narki just

607
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:05.000
feeds on this. And so they
tricked him into going into the vacant Valley,

608
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:09.719
which is literally just I don't know, there's just nothing there. I

609
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:15.079
guess, yeah, Well, like
literally named when they were first they like

610
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.360
pulled out a low graised map and
they were like, but it's like a

611
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.360
sphere. I think I understood what
was happening, and they had this bit

612
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.039
where they made it too big.
It was the whole thing. I thought

613
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:29.559
that there was going to be some
magic that would just like taught like like

614
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.760
like there would be a wormhole in
the world, would just drop him in

615
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.880
the middle of nowhere. I mean, as we've seen in Rise of Skywalker,

616
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:42.480
you can utilize the force to transport
things across vast distances quite quickly,

617
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.840
right, which is actually one of
the things that I like about Rise of

618
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.199
Skywalker. I can't say nice things
about that movie. Yeah, I mean,

619
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.840
I think we've talked about the best
part of that entire film was the

620
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.320
lightsaber across like lightsaber exchange. Yeah. Well, we didn't talk about that

621
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.840
on main feed. We talked about
it on our Patreon, which you can

622
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.880
subscribe to a five dollars a month
paseron dot com slash track corse spot.

623
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:13.880
Anyways, the problematic themes with bringing
up nirki uh is they they are dealing

624
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.760
with it in the best way possible, and it just so happens that in

625
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:22.000
the vacant valley, some holes form
and so well, automatically, they feel

626
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:30.880
bad about tricking Nirki, right,
and as opposed to what would probably happen

627
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.119
with a person like this, with
a person that like Nirki a devious marsupial

628
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:45.119
mm hmm, is that they would
maintain their duplicitous attitude. But instead our

629
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:52.320
heroes decide to live up to their
own moral code go to save Nirky on

630
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:58.119
their skin gliders. And then Nirki
has a change of heart because they say,

631
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.199
because Norki says, I've never had
friends before. Yeah, because you

632
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.719
pushed them away. Yeah, because
you're a terrorist, Yes, an emotional

633
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:15.199
and physical terrorist. Which then,
as a child, if you are functioning

634
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.920
as the sponge that children are,
yeah, if children, if they are

635
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:24.840
functioning as the sponges that children getting
lost in the weeds over grammar and you

636
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:30.199
take that message in Let's say that
you're dealing with a bully that I don't

637
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:37.039
know. A random example, they
stick a open container of gatorade that has

638
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.760
stew in it and it gets all
over your book bag, and then you

639
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.920
have to talk to your mom about
it, and the mom tells your principle

640
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:55.320
Kenny Kenny it's neither here nor there. Then then it falls on the onus

641
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.039
of the victim. It falls on
the victim to make amends as opposed to

642
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:10.079
what should happen. What is just, which is forcing punitive measures? Oh,

643
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.559
this is this is this is a
very this is interesting. Yeah.

644
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.360
Oh I'm very I'm very interested in
this is like what would be the best

645
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:25.639
way to truly manage uh an absolute
hell spawn like Norki, which is like

646
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.360
you're I am absolutely with you that. You know. What it reminds me

647
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.440
of is the whole like when Michelle
Obama came out with the like when they

648
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.719
go low, we go high,
and it was That's exactly what I thought

649
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:43.360
of whenever I was watching that this
episode, I was like, well,

650
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:47.760
when Michelle Obama says, she'd be
like, well, when Orky goes along,

651
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.599
she flecks her arm. Yeah,
And as the past many years has

652
00:55:53.639 --> 00:56:00.400
showed us, right, that's easy
to say, yeah, except whenever they

653
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.679
just keep going low, at some
point, you're just like exactly, like,

654
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.960
it's like, they're just gonna keep
going low. They have for shit.

655
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.159
If we go you know what,
keep kicking you in the toe.

656
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:16.239
Ye, at some point you're gonna
be like stop ki. Yeah, and

657
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:22.719
so it's it's extremely difficult to find
what I think feels like an objectively correct

658
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.199
answer, right yes, because also
this is a show for babies, and

659
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:30.039
it is just shape of episode where
Norky learns the era of his ways.

660
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.400
But Kenny, you are dug too. I think you have dug into like

661
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.880
one is like, what is the
core question of humanity to me? Through

662
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:44.840
bringing up Narky? Yeah, through
through the children's show Ewoks Star Wars Ewoks

663
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:51.280
bringing up NARKI uh wish is to
say because it's a structurally frustrating episode because

664
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.760
it falls on the he falls on
the victims to make amends. They feel

665
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.400
terrible and they have to save him, and you could they don't have to,

666
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:06.719
but they choose to, and in
their kindness they help him become a

667
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:12.079
better person. Uh. And there
is something to be said about that,

668
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.199
especially if we go back to the
like the very clinical lens of like,

669
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:22.320
well people some I mean, I
mean, you've got your new tourisis nurture

670
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:24.519
conversation forever? Typically people just don't
come out of nowhere, like out of

671
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:30.239
the gate, just like evil fucking
goblins, right, Like, And what

672
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.199
are the ways that we engage in
in like repair and support with each other

673
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:39.599
and connection, right, but also
you shouldn't have to be on the victims

674
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:43.119
to do so. Like I think
about this a lot with like sexual assault

675
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:51.719
and rape cases right where it's like, sorry, you're like Aspen doing this

676
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:58.639
line of conversation makes sense and awesome
objectively hilarious. It's juxposition to Star Wars

677
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.599
e wox, which is where a
target demographic of like seven to nine year

678
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:07.440
olds. Well, and like I
think I think about this specifically as it

679
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.559
exactly. I'm sure their parents set
them down in front of the TV and

680
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.440
just like you like Star Wars,
right, this is Star Wars, and

681
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.119
they're like this is care Bears,
O watch this, this is diet care

682
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:22.960
bears, Diet care Bears. All
that's all. I yeah, I don't

683
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:30.440
have to go down this too far. But by no means should people who

684
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:36.599
are victimized by people have to be
the ones to fucking fix it and solve

685
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:39.519
that. Uh, they absolutely should
not. But also, like, how

686
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:45.119
do we engage in a culture that
isn't just purely punitive in a carceral state,

687
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:51.159
which then it goes into the not
that necessarily that art needs a function.

688
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.519
Let me overthink bringing up Narki even
more. But is very frustrating episode

689
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:00.840
because for the sponge, because this
is ostensibly a for children that is telling

690
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:08.480
more little morality plays and helping kids
learn how to navigate the world through fun

691
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:15.320
misadventures. And then this is just
a This is just a poorly framed episode

692
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.480
that is giving kids an actual bad
lesson where exactly where they go low,

693
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.320
we go high, but there's diminishing
returns. But it just happens to work

694
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:31.400
because there happens to be a catastrophe
and their act of the heroism uh masquerading

695
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:42.960
as friendship happens to change Norki because
the episode needs to end. Yeah and

696
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:49.519
fast. Oh my gosh, thank
you, thank you. I think we

697
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:55.440
nailed it. My perspective says that, oh my god, no, no

698
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.760
no, but don't go that way. No make no mista. We have

699
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:07.000
assigence psychological profiles to Narki. We
have equated this to victim shaming, victim

700
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:10.320
blaming. We have navigated this.
We've attached this to the current narratives that

701
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:16.559
are going on with film identifying people
in the United States and the burdens that

702
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:22.920
they are having to take on because
of duplicitus evil people go down this road.

703
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:28.320
Let's go down it. Bring up
Narki quite possibly the most controversial piece

704
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:36.320
of Star Wars it's ever existed.
Yes, yes, agreed, I if

705
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:40.119
this were like I mean it when
I say that that Narki is the kind

706
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:46.239
of character that becomes the type of
like Nepo baby Harvard educated piece of shit

707
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:52.440
that goes into these places and just
literally fucks the world. Bringing up Narki,

708
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.400
is this the embodiment of well,
she shouldn't have dressed that way.

709
01:00:54.920 --> 01:01:00.559
But like even further, it's like
like even more because like the whole like

710
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.480
the Goola Weeko High, We're not
just like that's the thing. Like we're

711
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:08.760
not just talking about like prowd boys, Like we're not just talking about We're

712
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:15.000
talking about the kind of people that
are quieter about their racism and their absolute

713
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:20.440
like like nihilism of the world as
being nothing but something for them to gain.

714
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.440
Like I'm just now remembering the shenanigans
that Narki did and we're equating this

715
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.159
with like what but like in the
episode, he is like at he stole

716
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:54.079
a bunch of cookies, and like
we're just like this is clearly drawing a

717
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:59.960
clear line through the actions of not
just Donald Trump, but like Carl wrote,

718
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:25.400
Donald RUMs felt, all these evil
actors Hallim Burton cry Cookie, I

719
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:40.400
stand by it. So you want
to get into somethingmatic connections, Yeah,

720
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:54.000
but it's it's it's yeah, let's
get into some thematic connections. What is

721
01:02:54.000 --> 01:03:01.320
that like you walk background stribbles,
you walk background plus dribbles just in troubles.

722
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:07.679
Yeah, yeah, I Meanangans Shenanigan's
is the name of the game and

723
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:14.480
all about all three of these episodes
are tackling environmental what happens whenever the environment

724
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:15.679
gets in the way of what the
heck that you're doing, and how to

725
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:23.039
how to reckon with those things with
comedic tones, Star Trek is reckoning.

726
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:34.840
It's how the environment can uh really
exacerbate, exacerbate purely thought out bureaucracy in

727
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.719
just my luck environment and getting in
the way of quote unquote destiny what you

728
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:45.719
think that you are entitled to and
perhaps having to self actualize just a little

729
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:52.280
bit more than you thought that you
had to here environment and in bringing out

730
01:03:52.360 --> 01:04:02.360
norgay uh environments as uh tool for
uh for give, yes for for perhaps

731
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:11.239
Catharsis and truly bringing maybe making things
just a little bit clearer and realizing that

732
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:15.840
all people have a fundamental right to
life. Oh my god, kidding,

733
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:25.320
that's the thematic connection. Tell me
where I'm wrong, counselor you sound that

734
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:32.480
was exactly right that I no notes. I'm so caught up in my rage

735
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:36.119
that I'm like, I don't know, sometimes people are shit. It's been

736
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:41.960
making a mistake, just as and
furious as bringing up Nurki as you are

737
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.280
not the worst character. Maybe this
might be the most infuriating thing that we've

738
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.599
watched, at least Star Wars,
the Star Wars Holiday especial where we could

739
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:53.400
just both be both be like,
well, that was a bad idea.

740
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.800
What did I write in my notes? Just to make sure I wrote,

741
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.400
I hate this, I hate him, I hate him? What is he?

742
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.840
I hate this? I hate Norky, I hate him. That's literally

743
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:14.920
what they say. I yeah,
And I guess if we were like going

744
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:21.039
a little bit farther, yeh,
Shenanigan's for sure fun episodes ultimately light episodes.

745
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.480
Yeah they are, they are,
I I you know, I mean

746
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:31.280
the there is something too, I
think the Klingons. I was thinking about

747
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:39.960
this. The Klingons are represented so
like it's a it's a Cold war metaphor

748
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:45.880
effectively, but they're very much represented
as being the baddies, like the sneaky

749
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:53.679
baddies, like they were going to
if they're uh if that uh the plan

750
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:59.440
had come to fruition, uh pun
intended, like people would have fucking died

751
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.719
on that planet, like because the
whole idea is that they poisoned the wheat

752
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:08.000
and like the more you eat,
like it literally kills you because it's like

753
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.760
it's so you eat it and then
you can't process like food or like nutrients.

754
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.920
Like it would have been a horrific
death for like thousands of people,

755
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.800
right, So that's like genuinely like
it wouldn't have just destroyed like their chances

756
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:25.000
of having a stable new colony or
whatever it was going to be. It

757
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.960
was just like it would have murdered
people. That's fucking horrifying when you really

758
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:31.400
see it to its end. Because
it's funny in the episode because you're like,

759
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:35.440
oh, some dribbles got engorged and
died, Oh my gosh, But

760
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.920
there's like millions of them, you
know, and they don't have faces.

761
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:45.280
I mean, I think what is
what the episode nails is. It's a

762
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:51.039
satire of modern life, of bureaucracy, of being frustrated with things that don't

763
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:59.239
necessarily make sense the highest What is
really funny about it is that you seemingly

764
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:06.280
low sticks are treated as high stakes
and Kirk's frustration at that, and then

765
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:14.199
what is actually high stakes looks like
low steaks, right, which is and

766
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:18.320
then just to imagine that this is
like this kid's first screenplay, well because

767
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:23.559
it should it shouldn't work, and
yet all the pieces come together in such

768
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.599
a wonderful way, and like,
if you really think about it, yeah,

769
01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.440
this is hugely high stakes. Like
I'm sorry, it isn't people firing

770
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:34.840
on you, yeah, but like
this is about survival and health of people,

771
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.639
Like this is just as valuable as
anything else Kirk, and Kirk did

772
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.679
fuck up. He didn't have an
eye on things because he didn't take it

773
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.880
that seriously. And it's only lucky
that he was like, oh, I

774
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:53.119
you know, it was like okay, well all these dribbles sucking ate it.

775
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:55.960
But also we figured out this thing
and we found out that actually it

776
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:59.719
was poisoned, Like he wouldn't have
if not for luck. There's a connection

777
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:05.599
has nothing to do But the other
connection here is people is evil and narchy

778
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:10.039
is evil. All three, all
three of these episodes have something to do

779
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:14.239
with luck as well, which maybe
you can interpret that as dealing with the

780
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:20.239
environment and how the environment can be
uncontrollable. But and also all three episodes

781
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:27.199
just happened to work out in the
end because of what we define as luck.

782
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:31.640
I'll be I'll be a little kinder
to Kirk. There are definitely things

783
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.800
totally out of because it's control like, but he was he was not taking

784
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:42.880
it seriously. Yeah, yes,
of course. And also the satire is

785
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.319
enhanced by the fact that it's not
the Secretary of Agriculture, it's the Undersecretary

786
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:50.720
of Agriculture. It's true, you're
dealing with the middle management, and the

787
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:58.840
middle management middle manager is exercising power
that the captain of the starship, who

788
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:04.800
has literally dealt with like end of
the world into the Galaxy mistakes and now

789
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:13.560
he's having to deal with under secretary. Yeah and wat Yes, a real

790
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:18.439
hybrid that was invented in Canada.
Uh, and so Jeane. It was

791
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:24.199
not in in winted in Canada,
it was in wintered in Leningrad. Or

792
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:36.640
is that Scotch. I take a
whole episode of banter between Scotty and Chekhov.

793
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:44.640
Would you would you now? Yeah? I would blank? Would you

794
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.520
yeah? Do I get one?
How much? Would you like that?

795
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:58.000
A lot? Do I get to
have one? Mm? Hmm A long

796
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:02.840
time ago? Start this week?
I quoted a boat, I dated a

797
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:08.800
game, but none of them could
warp my drive into high birth space.

798
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:20.159
The best of both worlds kept me
in the second place. Captain slog on

799
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:27.920
a hollow chron I wanted a song. I penned a song. Seventeen more

800
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:41.520
minutes advise in super high def aboard
the USS Enterprise dt F. Don't you

801
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.600
take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't you take my wretchert buddy and

802
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:50.560
nip it? If you spill the
tea, I'm gonna sip it. My

803
01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:58.439
starship it, Okay, I see
what you could direct every every single time,

804
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:02.159
every single time, the mechanic is
exactly the same, and I forget

805
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.000
every single time, and it's still
like, well, ask me what are

806
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:10.359
we doing. We're doing our starship
It, where we name our favorite ship

807
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:16.319
slash vehicles that can move us places
and our favorite romantic ships A la AO

808
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:23.760
three and fan fiction that absolutely ask
me, what kind of what kind of

809
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.880
ships are you into this week?
What kind of ships am I into?

810
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.399
Well, I'm going to tell you
I've got one, but it's not technically

811
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.319
a ship. But we also have
to do not technically a ships all the

812
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:38.640
time. We have to do vehicles
and stuff. But yeah, we're about

813
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:44.720
to get out of that zone.
This space this uh the oh my gosh,

814
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:50.159
the deep space space station case station. I kept wanting to say center,

815
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:55.920
yes, space station K seven.
I you know, I don't have

816
01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:00.479
the original. I have like the
new U sort of pready version of things,

817
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.479
and it was gorgeous. Like I
also love space stations. Of the

818
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.199
concept of space stations. There's also
a lot of really fun little ships that

819
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.560
were going around that were very bulbous
that I liked. But the space station

820
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.880
itself, the view of it was
very the way it is in these kind

821
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:18.520
of remastered versions is very sleek.
Yeah, White, it's beautiful. He

822
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:29.079
just speaks to the wonderful aviation based
design that Matt Jefferies and team did,

823
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.520
though from at least from these are
the voyages. These were based off some

824
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:40.920
pre existing space station designs from an
aeronautical agency that was putting together conjectural models

825
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:44.760
for space stations that ILK, and
so they took that design and kind of

826
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.600
modified it a little bit, and
that's how he got space station CASE seven.

827
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:55.680
There's a beautiful simplicity to the design
that suddenly becomes out of vogue in

828
01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:58.640
the nineteen seventies and suddenly you're like, I don't want my space ships to

829
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:06.560
look sleek, which is unfortunate because
it's it's it's wonderful clean imagery that I

830
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:12.680
don't know. I just yeah,
it's gorge for the background tray gorge.

831
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.039
The inside is fun too, I
like, I like that it feels again,

832
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.239
having watched a lot of Deep Space
nine, it is fun that it's

833
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.319
like this is nice. There's like
places you can get food, it's pretty,

834
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:27.960
it's just nice lights. So that's
mine. Yes, Uh, my

835
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:33.640
favorite vehicle is Nirky. Ah,
well you took Space Station K seven and

836
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:41.479
we've already used the skin gliders.
Okay, he's a marshupial. You could

837
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:45.600
he put he puts all the pouch, he puts all the cookies in his

838
01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:48.680
pouch. You could put yourself in
the pouch. I don't want to fucking

839
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:51.479
put myself in Norky's pouch. That's
I don't like the way that you're saying

840
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:56.760
that. I don't want to fucking
do that. I hate it. I

841
01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:03.279
hate the concept of it. I
hate this look. I was never I

842
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:10.439
was gonna do the space Station too, but I can't. Sorry. And

843
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:13.479
then not only that, you watch
the remastered version. Apparently there's lots of

844
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.720
cool other ships. Meanwhile, I'm
over here watching the original version of My

845
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:20.960
stupid Blue right, and all they're
all there is just the enterprise of the

846
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:25.079
space Station, and we'll already use
the skin players, so I can't.

847
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:31.239
So I gotta use fucking Nirky.
I'll stick with it. I'll stick myself

848
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.319
in. No, no, no, no, we can't litigate it any

849
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:40.720
further. Okay, because the other
space is this No, no, no,

850
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:48.520
It's fine. They're pretty bulbous.
I mean, you find a lot

851
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:55.079
of fun sounds. Speaking of fun
sounds, relationships can often result in fun

852
01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.600
sounds. Okay, I do I
have one. And it's not actually check

853
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:04.439
Off and Scottie, as much as
I love it, mm hmm, it

854
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:14.039
is the bartender and the sales guy
bartender and shar Jones, Scaro Jones.

855
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.119
They have the funniest little relationship ever
that I can just tell is right on

856
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:24.399
the edge. It's got some sexual
tension. There's a scene where Sierra Jones

857
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.520
comes back in to try to get
into like buy more tribles because he's the

858
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.560
one that you know, sells the
tribles in the first place. And the

859
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:35.800
bartender, with perfect, perfect comedic
timing and facial expression and like movements with

860
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:41.000
his hands and his like because his
body is so lanky, just starts pulling

861
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:45.199
tribles out from behind the bar and
just will not stop, like there's so

862
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:47.560
many troubles and just this pile,
and he's just the entire time just keeps

863
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:53.199
icontact with sere No and he's just
and I was like, sexy, Yeah,

864
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:58.319
that sex right there. I'm gonna
go with Nil's Barrison arn Darvin.

865
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:00.560
Okay, you said those names,
and I was like, who the fuck

866
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:08.079
is I know, I know under
Secretary of Agriculture for the Federation and his

867
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:15.680
duplicities cling on secret agent. Uh
the secret agent was I'm gonna say this

868
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:20.079
pretty hot. It's hot, you
know, like some people are just hotties,

869
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:26.479
like a whore and Chekhov. Yes, Scott, I believe you're talking

870
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:32.159
about actor Charlie Brill, which fun
fact that I learned, uh in These

871
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:38.920
Are the Voyages is part of the
comedy too that was on the Uh it's

872
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:44.119
all of an episode where are the
Beatles debut? The who the Beatles?

873
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:48.600
The Beatles? Remember whenever the Beatles
were on Ed Sullivan? Oh my god?

874
01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:51.720
Yeah? Oh you said Ed Selivon. I was like, what are

875
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:57.960
the Beatles debut on? Like you
mean like remember the debut? Do you

876
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:02.199
tpu remember when Ed Sullivan says Ladies
of John and the Beatle But we all

877
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.760
but we all forget the fact that
there's the rest of the episode of the

878
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:10.279
Ed Sullivan Show the only Oh my
god, that's so rad, isn't that

879
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:14.239
fun? I love that. Also, we didn't talk about the fact that

880
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.720
this is Star Trek doing comedy,
which Star Trek does do comedies, and

881
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:25.079
it's fun to watch this episode.
I mean, this will be a good

882
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:31.199
segue into our ratings of things.
Yeah, as we once again we rate

883
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:33.920
from Star Trek the original series of
Trouble with Tribbles versus Star Wars, e

884
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:39.079
wats just my luck and bringing up
NARKI. Bring up NARKI a totally normal

885
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:44.960
episode, and I will go ahead
and start off with the trouble with Trible

886
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.600
is. I will give this a
nine. Wow. Okay, yeah,

887
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:51.439
yeah, it's an episode that shouldn't
work because it has all these disparate elements

888
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:56.359
and also it just comes together so
wonderfully with such a light touch. And

889
01:17:56.479 --> 01:18:02.399
it's also a wonderful encapsulation of bureaucratic
culture as well as satire of Colt worsnanigans.

890
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:06.039
Yep, that's great. It's tackling
so many things, but does it

891
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:09.720
with such a light, deft touch. And then you couple that with the

892
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:14.239
backstory that this was David Gerald's first
script, first paid script, and it

893
01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:19.399
just becomes a miracle like it's it's
just such a fun, light episode with

894
01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:26.960
an iconic piece of science fiction imagery
with Tribbles and They're born pregnant. Uh,

895
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:32.800
the best ensemble work of they And
not only that, David Gerald uses

896
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:36.960
almost the entire ensemble. Soon it
was just not there that week. Everyone

897
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:41.239
gets something to do. Scotty gets
a lovely little arc. All he wants

898
01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:44.319
to do is just read his technical
manuals. Kirk forces him to go on.

899
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:47.960
Surely, Scotty gets into a fight. Kirk has punishment forces him to

900
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.800
stay at his quarters, and then
he says, I get to I get

901
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:57.600
to catch up in my leaving my
technical manuals. So that's sweet, baby.

902
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:03.239
And then also some of the whereas
other nineteen sixties kind of comedy doesn't

903
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.800
age particularly well. Maybe it's just
because my bias for Star Trek, but

904
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:13.439
I feel like this heges quite well. The comedy never betrays the integrity get

905
01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:20.560
the characters. Yeah, and instead
it's silly and goofy. It's just silly

906
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.479
and goofy. And I think it
knows that silly and goofy and allows itself

907
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:30.119
to be silly and goofy. It's
it's it's it's a tight rope act in

908
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:33.520
an extremely campy show, and I
think it pulls it off with such a

909
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:41.079
plumb there you go. I want
to note that I enjoyed that everybody was

910
01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:45.079
lined up and Kirk was trying to
get them to say who started the fight,

911
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:46.960
and none of them would give Scotty
away, and I was just like,

912
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:51.399
that's right, a cab, fuck
you. I enjoyed it, which

913
01:19:51.439 --> 01:20:00.399
is why you're a fan of Star
Wars. Fucked military. Yeah. Yeah,

914
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:03.439
Actually I was gonna go with like
a punny, but that pumped me

915
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.159
up. Tosso and I plus do
a nine. I agree with everything you

916
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:10.960
said. Outstanding. Yeah, I
mean I was already pretty close to there.

917
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:13.399
It was like the number that felt
right in my brain. But you're

918
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.680
right, this fucking rules. It's
a fab episode. It's a fab everyone.

919
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:23.159
Oh and also one final piece of
trivia. James Dowan's middle finger got

920
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:28.439
blown off in the war. Oh
okay, this episode I believe in World

921
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:31.520
War two, and this is one
of the few episodes where you actually get

922
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:40.720
to see his hands without his middle
finger on camera. I didn't even notice

923
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:45.840
exactly because it happens so quickly.
It's whenever Kirk is going, uh,

924
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.960
there's tribles in my chicken sandwich and
coffee, and then Scotti comes in and

925
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:53.479
he goes, I sauted that in
the machinity. Oh, he's holding the

926
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:57.680
tribles with both hands. And it
happens so quickly that you don't notice.

927
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:02.640
But I just think that's fabulous.
Interesting. Yeah. Anyways, Uh,

928
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:15.800
just my luck and bringing up Nirki
hmm, no, do it. Oh,

929
01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:19.800
that's disingenuous. I'll get it like
a Just my luck was probably like

930
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:24.560
a five or six. But bringing
up Nirki is like a two or three

931
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:30.520
just because I find a story bad. Oh, I mean, it's deeply

932
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:33.159
I mean, but it's still a
good episode though, you know what I

933
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:39.159
mean. But the but the story
is like bad. No, but the

934
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:43.840
story is good. But the story
is bad. But the story says is

935
01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:46.159
bad? What the story? But
the story is bad? No, story

936
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:50.199
is not bad. The story is
bad. Structurally the story is like a

937
01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:56.520
very clean story. It's just structurally
clean. You just still like what it

938
01:21:56.600 --> 01:22:02.439
says. Yeah, bad, I
think I can give it like okay,

939
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:10.960
four point five okay, okay,
so it feels it feels right. And

940
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:17.479
also both episodes, yeah, just
my luck is certainly less egregious of its

941
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:23.000
sins. Bringing up Narki, I
think is fundamentally broken story. But also

942
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.319
like you got you got to bring
it in. You just sometimes you just

943
01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:29.239
have to write an episode for the
week, you know what I mean?

944
01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:35.199
Yeah, I I think I'm a
little bit kinder to it than you are.

945
01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:40.920
Again, I don't like what it's
saying either, And I hated Norki,

946
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:43.960
but I also was like, I
can see this as being like a

947
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:49.520
valid episode. Neither of them were
my face, what are we doing trying

948
01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.560
what are we doing trying to bend
over, trying to defend bringing up Narki

949
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:57.840
or both. Quester just like this
is a victim shaming, victim playing episode,

950
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:03.439
and we fundamentally disagree with the incidental
politics because this is a show for

951
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:08.600
babies. And also what do we
mean what look at me? What are

952
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:12.439
we doing? I mean, what
are we doing defending bringing up narchy?

953
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.560
I didn't explore it totally, but
like I guess we didn't say about bringing

954
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:19.960
up Narki. Here's here's what I
didn't get into necessarily, which is that,

955
01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:26.039
like I'm worried about things like I
have to also believe that we can,

956
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:32.079
like especially if someone's a child,
we can connect and save them from

957
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:36.119
their terrifying future. So it does
feel hopeful in the idea that even though

958
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:41.960
it's not the responsibility, that connection, that kindness is what changes the trajectory

959
01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:46.760
of someone's life. I do have
to believe in rehabilitative like community care.

960
01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:58.520
No, the soul of America rests
on Asthmen's ranking a Narchi five point six

961
01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:15.279
fine oh my goodness, which means
oh my goodness. With the paltry five

962
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:19.319
point zero five ranking for just my
luck and bringing up narchy versus the trouble

963
01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:24.640
with Trebles and nine. That means
that Star Wars loses the week, Star

964
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:39.560
Trek wins the week. Yeah,
I can't believe me. That soundboard really

965
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:45.479
is really meant a lot to you. Yeah, okay, well I guess

966
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:49.199
you won. Hey, but it
still could be anyone's game, because we

967
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:54.720
still got two more episodes and he
walks left to go, We're gonna close

968
01:24:54.800 --> 01:25:02.039
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much for your patronage, Ryan Hill, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller, and

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finally Joelty Partner, Thank you so
much for your patronage. Honey. We

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love you. We'll see you at
dinner time. Uh. Aspen, Yeah,

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Aspen, Yeah, I love you
so, I love you so much.

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That's a nice thing for you to
say to me. We could fix

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the world. We could community care. We could fix the world through connection

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and community care. Uh. And
so that's exactly what we do by coming

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together in this spirit of community.
Audience, we love you, Live long,

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and prosper it. May the Force
be with you. Bye bye, Brad