What Does it Mean to Be Culturally Humble?

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the online Internet's favorite source for trying to

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answer the most important question fandom,
Which is better Star Trek or Star Wars.

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I am one of your co hosts, Kenny Madison, the Star Trek

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contingents of this podcast. With me
as always is no Moopsie, you get

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down. I'm I'm keeping him as
a pet just in case, just to

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turn him on my enemies. But
no, instead it's me ask been a

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webster who loves Smoopsie and Star Wars. Speaking of loving Star Wars and me

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loving Star Trek, we may or
may not love these episodes today Friday's Child

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versus hard Sell versus a Warrior and
Alerto Kenny, two things, Two things

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to start. One, did so
did you like figure out like a little

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soundboard thing? Is that what's going
on? I don't know what you're talking

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about, heps, because this is
also the first time like typically I just

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add like the music and after the
fact and you just played it and it

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just like oh and then we rocked
out, and I just feel like this

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is one of those moments where we
were like, wait, this could be

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easier. Yeah. Well, to
be fair, zen cast made me upgrade.

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Oh, because I guess the two
that we were on no longer exists,

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and by upgrading I get a nice
little soundboard, so pop. Oh

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my god, I love that.
This makes a lot of sense. Two.

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Oh, was I gonna say?
No? Two? We need We

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will typically like talk to each other
or text about something or like have a

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reaction and at each other. We
have not talked about any of these episodes

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at all. We have not talked
about first oppressions. I have not.

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I did not text you anything around
not liking it or liking it. But

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you're already nailing it, just throwing
it out there. I'm so glad that

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I can help you nail this.
As we dive into three, we could

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ostensibly be described as episodes. I
would say you could buy their strict definition

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of them. Actually, no,
we'll talk about it. I don't.

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I didn't. I didn't hate them. I didn't hate them. That is

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correct. There are a lot of
good. There's a lot of good and

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all three. Yeah, there are
worse episodes. Yeah, there's just like

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things that annoyed me. Yeah,
a lot. Look, well, we'll

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get into it as the researcher.
I've done my research. Oh good,

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because I had a lot of questions. I'm excited. I could have myself

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researched them, and instead I just
decided to rely on you. I like

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to be reliant on sometimes. Yeah, no, thank you for being there

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for me. You are the researcher. I am the angry one. Well,

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speaking of anger, I'm going to
force you to give us the synopsis

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for our two e Woks episodes this
week. All right, all right,

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we weren't prepared for this because we
were talking about Jamie Bell. Well I

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was. I have the synopsis pulled
up right now. Okay, Well,

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this is why you're the researcher and
I'm the angry one. So so the

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first episode, this one, of
course, is a double hard sell A

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Warrior and Alerto. God, just
two episodes of competition and commerce and a

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lack of resources, and I'm so
tired of it all. I'm just so

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let's see, we'll see. Really
is October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six,

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very spooky and always and see let's
see. For the first one we

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have both directed by Dale shot the
A Warrior and Alerto written by Michael Dubo

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and Michael Reeves wrote hard Sell.
Yes, and I said oh Batman,

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how fuck me? Every time?
I'm like, am I supposed to know?

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What? These just white men?
Not particularly Michael Reeves has written some

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other episodes of Ewoks right at least
one other episode of Ewoks, and also

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wrote an episode of Droids and then
went on to go write some other things.

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Surprisingly enough, I found that he
wrote probably my favorite episode of or

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at least co wrote my favorite episode, my favorite episode of the Star Trek

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fan film series Star Trek New Voyages
called World Enough and Time, which stars

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George to Ka. It's it's really
good. And then Michael Dubil apparently just

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worked on two episodes of Ewoks and
there's nothing else about him, which is

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so fascinating. Speaking of George de
Kay during this Star Trek episode, there's

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a lot of really good uh Sulu
moments, and out loud, I was

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just like, it is like,
I am so grateful to be in a

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world of George de Kay. I
think he is just a good you know,

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just just a good one. I
mean he's it's like your grandpa and

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sometimes you posts weird shit, but
like that's nice. It is just nice.

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So heart cell. Brief plot synopsis
Wicked t Boat Lettara and Nissa compete

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to trade for eat on tusks.
That is basically what the episode is.

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I don't even know if I want
to add any more context to it.

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It is just a competition between them
always and the girls as they try to

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engage in trade. It's some shenanigans. There are some shenanigans. There's a

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lot of which seems to be the
theme of all tonight, which is a

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lot of unconsensual and touch. We'll
get to it. Aspen jumped the gun,

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I mean it's in this one too. It's Ben, it's in this

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one too. Don't jump into the
contary yet. I'm just I'm just describing

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an action. A warrior and Alerto
t boat fails wickets warrior training, but

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he is asked by the tiny Temples
to chase away a blog water creature.

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Also pretty much exactly what happens in
the episode. But I want to point

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out that this water creature is called
a blog and there's a tiny baby tamble

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that's actually pretty cute. Speaking of
blogs, blogs help put newspapers out of

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business, which is where I have
gotten my synopsis for Friday's Child from Star

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Trek. The original series let's see. Last week's episode was written by DC

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Fontana and directed by Joseph Pevane.
This week's episode Sure also written by DC

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Fontana and directed by Joseph Pavane.
Interesting, man, I gotta keep I

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gotta stop ruining your jokes. I
thought you were genuinely just like confused.

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They're like, oh, who wrote
this? Like as if you didn't know?

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Sorry? From Steven ah shure Uh
from the News Journal out of Mansfield,

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Ohio on December first, nineteen sixty
seven, Sure wrote Friday's Child a

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good adventure tale. Tonight, trying
to obtain mining rights from a planet inhabited

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by primitive tribes, our heroes find
themselves in direct competition with the Klingons,

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an unscrupulous rival of the Earth Federation
to which the Enterprise belongs. The fighting

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here is with boomerangs and bows and
arrows, but the day is saved by

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doctor McCoy's gill in psychiatry and astatrics. Also editor's note on my end,

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there is also a woman named Ellien
who is basically the fourth lead of the

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episode. Ellien Eleon didn't hate her. I don't know man, all right.

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First impressions, First impressions. Uh. One of the Ewoks episodes,

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the uh the Bartering the Hard Cell
episode had one of the funniest moments of

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any Ewoks episode I have seen,
and perhaps any Droids episode. I'm going

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to describe this, but it's going
to be like describing an improv scene after

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the fact. It will not fine, So everyone prepare accordingly. Uh So

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Latara is Latara and Yousa are trying
to uh trade these weares so that they

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can win this competition. And Latara
does that thing where she's like, no,

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let me show you how to to
sell this. And this like a

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little like whisker whisking machine or something, and so she picks it up and

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she starts doing this dramatic sort of
like lady walk and she's just like,

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hello, would you like to take
like buyer or trade this little machine?

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Girls love a man who can like
use this, and she's doing it to

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this like lizard tree creature and she's
it's so it's like so over the top,

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and then it just takes it and
it just eats it. And it

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was so funny, so funny that
I cackle aft and didn't stop for a

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while, and I would say that
was the best part of the evening.

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Otherwise I was bored, all right, So I can tell listeners to fast

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forward to this point that one moment. And maybe maybe it's because I watched

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the EU Watch episodes after I watched
Friday's Child, but I was just That's

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usually how I consume my I do
it the other way around, typically sense

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yep I start with Star Wars I
and I think despite Friday's Child actually being

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structurally a good, good episode,
which it was a episode, absolutely a

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grood episode with some really fascinating uh
dynamics in it, I think I was

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just fucking pissed off. I think
the word of the day you hit it

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in the beginning of this episode shenanigans. That's the word day. It's the

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all three of these and not to
just completely jump to common themes, which

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I believe there are others, but
these three episodes are episodes where things happened,

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not really much more deeper going on
unless you just look to the politics

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of the time. My true opinion
is that I actually do think Friday's Child

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is trying to do something interesting I
actually do, but does not achieve those

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heights. There's obviously I'm the Star
Trek contingent. This episode never really stands

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out for me, and watching this
episode again for this podcast just makes me

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remember why because this is a mid
level episode that is the equivalent of room

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temperature water. I like water quench? Is my thirst really thirsty? Right

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now you get some good McCoy speaking
of thirsty. Oh, there's a lot

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of funny interesting moments in the in
the episode too, like different all of

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it's like component, like weirdly like
the different parts of it. I think

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perhaps it's like more than the sum
of its parts kind of thing. But

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I just think it it what what
is the point of it? I think

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is that's actually something Joel said?
It ended? Who is h He's my

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partner. He's a sweetweet bowie.
He just he just ended and it just

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went what did we accomplish? And
I was like, I don't have to

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accomplish anything, but it did feel
really bad. I mean I guess,

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if anything, I guess we accomplished
some type of I mean, I think

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we did accomplish something. Ah,
there's at least okay, can I just

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can I just get into my feelings's
let's let's get into our deep analysis.

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Okay, here's the thing. Here
we go. I'm gonna start from this

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point of view that makes sense.
So I'm gonna tell you, like sort

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of the background of what I'm coming
into this with. Uh probaby that you're

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wearing the hoodie that I'm wearing.
It is so comfy. It's so comfy.

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My job gave it to me,
which is going to be a bummer

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whenever I quit, and it still
has my job on it. And I'm

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like, but I liked this hoodie
because anyway I was going to talk about

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jobs, I have to focus Weirdly, it's not annoying yet because it's so

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cuir, it'll suck the bones out
of you, just like just like a

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lack of bodily autonomy and also commercial
culture those will also suck the bones right

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out of you. The baseline here
is that it is a warlike tribe that

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they are trying to negotiate these mining
rights with. There is a leader.

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He has a wife that he literally
points out as being a young wife to

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bear him a son. This leader
is killed by like another person in this

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tribe. And I'm gonna call them
tribes because I think that's what the episode's

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going for of and at least everyone's
white, so it doesn't get weird.

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The tribes were a synthesis of Arabic
influences, English influences, and Native American

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influences. Oh my god, I
don't fucking like it that like, yeah,

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god, okay, sorry, So
that actually gives even more depth to

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this, which is, oh my
god, so he's killed. But this

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wife who's pregnant and about to give
birth is like, they've got this whole

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culture where it's like you cannot touch
these women. You can't touch them,

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and that's because they are clearly own
owned their property. It's not because of

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their own internal sense of agency.
McCoy is like, I have to help

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you have this baby, and I
have to be able to lay hands on

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you to be able to help you. It is weird and it is complicated,

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and it is a true violation of
her bodily autonomy. And I'm not

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about I do not care to dip
into cultural relativism here. I'm not saying

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that this is any better than anything. I'm coming from a perspective of like,

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let's okay, I know, okay, let me just okay. Let

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me come at it from my perspective
of being a social worker, I might

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come into a space l U l
ms I was an LMSW. You never

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got to be an LCSW because I
quit, But I am in fact an

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ms W and have a degree in
social work. Uh, there's a lot,

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there's a lot of talk about what
does it mean to be culturally humble?

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So to come into a space and
I recognize that in this this circumstance,

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we are having to think fast.
We could be dead, we could

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be dead, we could be killed. But like a good doctor, a

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good medical professional is not just going
to be like this is for your own

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fucking good just let me do this
and literally slap you. Although the slapping

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was a fun time. Uh,
it was wild. It was fucking wild.

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I did not expect it. But
it's it's It is neither saying that

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like cool, Yes you just like
dying and have to suffering suffer is good

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enough because that's what your culture says. And it's also not saying, well,

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what I say you should be doing
is better. It is it is

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finding the ways to work with one
another and to work with a person to

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respect both and a cultural expectation so
you can be able to fucking help them.

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However you need to write, and
so obviously that's not going to be

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in the context of the Star Trek
episode. But what it did is it

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ended up dipping right into like a
lot of yeah, non consensual touch and

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weird shit and a lot of strange
dynamics that just felt so squaky to me.

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And I'll tell you what it reminded
me of, and then I'll stop

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my rant here about how old am
I? Fourteen Webster, what what you

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go with this wonderfully articulate, empathetic
I'm not trying to come with this with

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cultural absolute as I know, I
understand the nature of cultural relative is and

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that's one thing. And there's complicated
gender politics at working. Certainly want to

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be able to have empathy and understand
the times, but also at the same

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time, it's very complicated to watch
this as a human being. Now see

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you see these complicated dynamics at play
because I have a certain relationship abusers in

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the world. And then the next
point I was like old a mine,

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Oh don't mind. Well, thank
you for going on that joke because it

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reminded me of how old I was, so that I could then do the

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math. I see you. Thank
you so much for making me look good.

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Uh. About thirteen years ago,
I did research in Chile, Chile

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on therapeutic abortion, abortion policy to
go to therapeutic abortion. It's just what

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they would call the only way you
could have an abortion. I think they've

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relaxed it now, but it was
basically that means you can only have an

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abortion if you're going to die or
those medical issues. And I was talking

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to a doctor who had written a
whole book about it, and he was

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there on the front lines when abortion
was criminalized, and one of the things

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that he talked about doing was women
would give people would give birth and they

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would immediately insert IUDs and he was
like, this was saving lives. We

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did this because now we're giving the
protection right and they would be doing it

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without like I don't know if it
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was a practice that was done typically
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maybe while they were still sedated.
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so I tell that story because while
it might have had, you know,

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in his mind, he's like,
I was saving lives. And also you

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violated a bodily autonomy by not receiving
full consent, right, And I think

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It just reflects a paternalism of how
we see doctors that they know better and

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they know more about your body than
you do, which is the kind of

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thing that leads to things like black
women not being believed when they're pregnant and

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giving birth and having hugely high maternal
mortality because they are seen as not understanding

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their bodies enough or seeking like painkillers, and it is it's that type of

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tradition of paternalism that literally gets people
killed. That's the end of my rant

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to peeback on that this is going
to make it sound extremely silly, but

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I think the metaphor stands. I
think this episode is the equivalent of commenters

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on YouTube going you don't have to
wear makeup. There is a point where

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there is a point where McCoy is
just like she talks about how on the

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planet the children belong to the men, and he says something like, oh,

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they take that away from you too, as if he's a night and

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shining armor coming in and like actually
helping her to achieve equality or it is

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justice. It is a group of
men that are telling a woman you deserve

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to be empowered. There's even a
part later where she like runs away,

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and they're like, they think that
she's gonna give them away. She doesn't,

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by the way, because she's a
badass, and fucking Spot's like says

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some shit about virtue and I was
just like, fuck you, all of

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you. Spock was kind of out
of character in this episode. It was

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weird. Yeah, especially consuming that
the episode was written by DC Fund.

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Yeah would you would you like to
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I was watching this episode because I
wildered. I am. I am

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more interesting in the read on Ellie
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about her. The first quarter of
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and that they just love combat.
Combat is better than sex, which sounds

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like a rotten Berry line because Roddenberry
is the horniest man on the planet.

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Gross. I saw a tweet about
how he would when people would be like,

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oh, well, there are a
lot of women officers on the Enterprise,

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and someone was like, yeah,
so that he could sleep with them

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and not be found out by his
wife, And I was like, yikes,

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is that true? Probably? Oh
god, yep, okay, probably

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probably not. The Lake also,
Majel, he divorced his for his wife.

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Ah the surprise, surprise. I
don't know what the timeline is.

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I think they got divorced during the
production of Star Trek. Majel must have

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known, sure and just went Okay, are you ever so exhausted by everything?

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Yeah? Maybe? Maybe I'm also
just having a hard time because there's

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Jenna side happening, So I'm just
like, fuck it all. You know,

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we're not here to debate we should
if Majel knew or not because roden

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Berry was a woman night handsome.
Sure, what we are here to talk

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about? Yes, it's Star Trek. And also, I'm just really interested

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in getting what the hit on this
episode is from Ellien, how you feel

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about her as a character, what
we like about her, what we don't

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like, and what we like about
the politics. Because I got what DC

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was trying to get to with this
episode right here, and I think it's

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fascinating. You're gonna do that thing
again where you ask me what I think

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and then match it up asphen what
do you think? So, despite everything,

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I liked her very much as a
character. I thought she was the

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most interesting part. She goes from
being in a position where she is has

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a shit ton of power while not
having a lot of power, like she

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gets to as the wife of this
dismain guy tell people what to do.

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She is part of a cultural system
and that's all she's ever known. Again,

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not saying it is good or bad
or anything. I mean, I

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am saying it's bad, but Maana, but you know, I whatever.

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And she does not want to have
this baby. She doesn't and I can

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respect that because it just ties her
it. I mean, if the concept

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is that, the idea is that
it doesn't even belong to her at all,

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because she's just the carrier of a
thing, then having a child is

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just part of this structure, as
opposed to like something that's part of her,

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that has anything at all to do
with her. So of course she

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doesn't want this goddamn baby much likes
Bach who when McCoy tries to hand him

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the baby, he just goes,
I'd rather not, which is I was

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like same, And she finds comfort
and connection in McCoy however that works for

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her and clearly has a strong bond
with him, is able to give birth

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and then tries to protect them because
she can change and wants to live and

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wants to live the life she deserves
and truly tries to protect them and save

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the day, and is able to
like engage with this child afterward in a

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way that I think is trying to
be like I get to decide and like

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this can this can be for me
too, and I can keep him safe.

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So as a character, I love
her. It's everyone else that sucks.

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So DC Fontana wanted her pseudonym to
be used instead because she hated this

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episode. Yep, because Gene Roddenberry
and Gene Couon came in and softened Elien.

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Fuck doc, you can tell DC
Fontana. Her quotes are the following.

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I'll start off with this first one. She wanted to write a story

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about quote not all women are mommies. Yes. Yes. From the original

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version of the script, Ellien's baby
was conceived out of wedlock and she was

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executed for adultery. Oh my god. She did not ever like the baby,

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yeah, and was willing to sacrifice
the baby mm hmm so she could

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stay alive. I meant company are
captured while attempting to rescue the infant.

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In the end, Alien actually out
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I mean that's kind of rad,
isn't that red like I like it.

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I did genuinely think by the way, that McCoy was going to take

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this baby and then it was going
to be like adopted in like you know,

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on Earth or something. I genuinely
was like. The thing I did

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not like is that at the end
it's like, oh, this is my

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baby now, because I was like
boo hoo, Like she didn't want the

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baby. Yeah, Allien's baby was
left to be raised by the grandfather until

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old enough to rule the tribes that
would have been rad And also, Dorothy

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Fontana says, in a way it
was sort of a women's lib story,

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but I didn't mean it that way. That's a classic because she was more

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just interested in writing a story because
she wanted to see a story about a

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woman being herself and having exactly like
you said, she didn't want the baby.

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Yeah, the entire story. She
didn't want the baby. But then

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roden Berry was like too dark.
Oh and then Jeane could h rodden Berry

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out of the slap, roden Berry
out of the no touching Alloy allowed Jesus.

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By the way, I do want
to just note it's interesting when people

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of certain time periods and now,
well, okay, complexity here the phrase

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you know, I didn't like set
out to right. It was like a

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women's lib even though I didn't intend
it to be that way. I have

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a lot of kind of like empathy
and respect for that, especially if,

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like Dolly Parton says like she never
really she was like, you know,

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feminists left me behind. And I
actually have complex feelings about that too,

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where I almost feel like the what
we decide as feminist is actually too white,

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not queer enough, not inclusive enough
of different people of different genders,

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and definitely not people of color,
and so it is like, by the

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definition of it, it is not
good enough and has left people behind despite

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actually engaging with the real tenets of
what feminism should be right, And I

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almost wonder if that's a little bit
of maybe where DC Fontana is coming from.

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But probably, Yeah, it has
to suck to have the burden of

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I am the woman writer god book
it, Yeah, as opposed to I

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just want to write a story and
suddenly you just want to write this story

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that's featuring an interesting character, but
then it becomes a representative of feminism as

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opposed to Yeah, I guess I
really just wanted to write an interesting story.

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But people that look like me have
that luxury where I can write about

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anything and do whatever I want to
and it's not a political statement, right,

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but anyone else it becomes a political
statement just by virtue of existence.

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And like in this personal is inherently
political because it has been politicized. Yeah,

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I mean it does by necessity become
that, because it is so fucking

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out of the ordinary or against heteron
ordered convention to even suggest even now that

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like if you were a woman or
a fem or whatever, that you wouldn't

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want a child. Yeah, even
now, and this is the sixties.

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I mean it's at the basis of
God. I mean, all the autonomy

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pieces. I mean, this is
like a basis of well, one of

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the bases of abortion rights. And
so I'm not surprised that is exhausting.

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Yeah, you just want to write
fucking stories and everyone's just like, looks

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like this is about this, and
you're just like, yeah, these like

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sis straight white dudes just get to
walk around like telling their stories and no

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one's ever like, ah, yes, the story of the sis straight white

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man and his pressures the world.
Like, I have a lot of feelings

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right now, So what you're telling
me is that you haven't read my story

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about being a twenty something growing up
in New York City. Every story is

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about that, Kenny. That's the
joke. I know, every story.

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I swear to God, I'm actually
that makes me feel a little bit better.

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I was watching this episode and I
was like, this had to have

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been destroyed by Dean and because it
ends up the I mean to be fair,

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can't read the earlier versions. However, it doesn't seem like there is

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a What is great about Great Star
Trek is a strong political statement and it

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feels even the character of Elliann aside, it doesn't really feel like the episode

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is about something so much as the
word of the day sherannigans. There are

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things that are happening, and Ellien
is a spitfire character uh played by Julie

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Newmar. It is a mid plus
episode. Yeah, it's got okay bones

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but and I hot bones, but
more than okay bones. I did like

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that it's it seems to be a
McCoy forward episode. Yeah, I mean

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for that reason. The reason I
was like immediately was like it started out

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fairly strong and what I liked that
Kirk directed a lot of frustration at McCoy,

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and then he apologized. I think
there's also something to be said about

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attempting to observe cultural relativism and this
culture that reverers combat so strongly, and

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attempting to communicate with them without a
patronizing attitude. But like so many original

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series have, that goes by the
wayside in favor of cultural interventionalism. By

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trying to save Ellie Ann, who
is gladly willing to give her a life

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because she understands. That's the way
that it is. That's exactly what it

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is. What you just said is
exactly what it is. You start with

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something that could be interesting and it
just evolves into cultural interventionism with no real

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thought about what that might mean or
the implications. No, granted they're deeper

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observations that the episode isn't interested in. By unpacking probably the patriarchal decisions that

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are endowed with the society like that
that values strength, and then also the

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notions that they would well late to
the Klingons more, the Klingons are what

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did I write down? Didn't take
too many notes here, but I wrote

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down only the strong could live,
the sick should die. That in itself

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could be an interesting examination of what
exactly that means. But that just kind

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of gets put into the background,
right question, Yes, you said this.

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They were based off of a combination
of it was like English, Native

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Indigenous people's and Middle Eastern in what
ways like in look or an inspiration.

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I'm wondering about their how they're seeing
this. I'm forgetting exactly I know that

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for some stupid reason. Yeah,
the producer was like, why are they

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speaking English on this episode? That
was an unpassable point. We're on the

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second season of Star Trek yep.
Well, granted this was supposed to be

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episode thirty of the first season,
but either way, you're twenty nine eight

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episodes in. You commissioned, this
is your thirtieth script, and now you're

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asking the question why are they speaking
English? That's not a conceit that we

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need to answer. By this point, we've already understand the rules. But

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apparently it was enough of a sticking
point for everyone involved that they had them

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adopt a stereotypically Native American way of
speaking English. Yeah. Yeah, I

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mean I think I think if I
were to guess, because I am assuming

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worst intentions and I don't care,
I will that like the look was more

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like medieval English plus as I said
in the Patreon part of this, a

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combination of Mad Max plus Abba uh
lot of fury shit and but the sort

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of tribalism and the military, like
the violence of it. I can one

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hundred see as Middle Eastern and indigenous
equals this, Yes, which is what

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stops me from like like it makes
me that's like, that's a complexity,

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knowing that it's probably where that is
coming from, that where I'm like feeling

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a complication of Like, that's when
we start getting into like the cultural absolutism

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relativism. Like I can look at
something from my cultural perspective and I can

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objectively say that, yeah, something
actually is wrong and also recognize that the

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creators of this are fucking racist and
see it as deeply absolute and that these

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like savages are horrific because they don't
look good and like pretty blonde girl kind

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of stuff. I can hold both
and hold that anger. So so that's

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cool. However, let's talk about
the high point of all three of these

406
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:02.760
episodes. We get the return of
one of our favorite characters, Aspen.

407
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:10.480
You know you love him. One
word, five letters one Ry. Larry

408
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:21.400
is back, baby, Larry's back. Larry. He believe I hired a

409
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:27.199
skywriter to write Larry's back. I
am out so much money. You know

410
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.519
how expensive a skywriter is, But
I'm dedicated to it because the world needs

411
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.199
to know Larry's back. Baby.
I can't. I believe I missed that

412
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:43.440
Larry's back. Hilarry is back.
I saw him and I actively yelped lay

413
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:50.440
back in heart cell. What was
funny too, is he came right after

414
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.679
the CA Gulls and I fucking hate
the key gulls. Now, why do

415
00:37:53.679 --> 00:38:00.320
you hate the CA calls? I
don't like their teeth as I have cakel

416
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.400
teeth. No you don't, I
do. Look at that. No you

417
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.480
don't. You have cute little teeth. Thank you? Do you not?

418
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.679
I don't like them. They freak
me out. They freak me out the

419
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:14.159
way that like some muppets freaked me
out. And I just like some some

420
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.800
like you know, Jim Henson,
Frank aus shit, just like leaves me

421
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.639
feeling very uncomfortable, like doctor Seuss
bullshit. And I just don't like the

422
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:23.719
feel of them. And I don't
like commerce. Sounds like you're being a

423
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:30.360
cultural absolutist about the cakeles. Probably
I don't like them, but you know

424
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:38.199
what, I love Larry. I'm
so happy he was great. And then

425
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:45.199
he also, uh maybe like duped
them, not duped them, he he

426
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.719
was he He basically got a blanket
for free by being like, I'm just

427
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.280
it won't hurt it. I'm gonna
be so cold alone in Tebow's crying,

428
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.320
and I'm crying because I'm so worried
about Larry. I'm like, Mary,

429
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.519
can I give you a blanket?
I'll give you anything you need. I'm

430
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:16.239
sure he's got plenty of blankets.
Well, now it's true. It was

431
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.840
a grand return of Larry. Sometimes
we can count on Ewoks episodes to be

432
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:29.760
little parables and teaching little lessons about
how to conduct yourself. No, yep,

433
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:38.280
sometimes I don't canny. Can you
help me? Yeah, I'll play

434
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.480
the moopsie sound effect again. Hold
on, there I go. These were

435
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:50.000
passable episodes, perfectly, perfectly fine, look like fine. I had one

436
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.840
of the funniest moments. Why am
I so mad? Maybe it has to

437
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.719
do with the fact that now we
are starting to get in this algic about

438
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:07.039
times whenever there were twenty nine episode
seasons of TV. Meanwhile, we have

439
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.280
yet to really reckon with the exploitation
that is involved with the entertainment industry,

440
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.400
and you can sometimes feel the exhaustion
of the page whenever you can tell that

441
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.079
the writers just like, we just
need to get something out of the door.

442
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.159
We've got to do something, and
that leads to products that not necessarily

443
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.960
everyone is proud of, even though
everyone is working not even just that an

444
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.760
eleven out of ten, but like
out of a twenty three out of ten.

445
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:37.000
And then not only that, but
these mid episodes are then meddled with

446
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:42.440
by producers who feel like they need
to throw their producerial weight around because they

447
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.480
have to feel like they need to
justify their title or justify to a higher

448
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.239
up that they're working hard enough,
and so they just make arbitrary changes because

449
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.519
they need to prove themselves, and
it doesn't really benefit the story. It

450
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.679
doesn't benefit the lessons that are trying
to be imparted, and kind of muddles

451
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.840
even the writerly waters of folks that
are coming in with a story and a

452
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.039
point of view. And sometimes the
producers just like one of these pants were

453
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.840
orange, but it was critical that
the pants weren't even pants. They were

454
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:17.960
a metaphor for a mother literally the
giving of herself, giving a dress that

455
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:25.719
would be such an embodiment of this
one item of beauty something. I'm just

456
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:35.199
angry. No, that's it.
Maybe I think that's actually exactly it.

457
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:42.960
I think you can feel exhaustion.
I think we're five episodes away from the

458
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.920
end of you watch, which I'm
throwing five six, six, six.

459
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.320
I mean maybe I thought i'd like
just counted them because I was like,

460
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.880
how much longer do I have to
do this? We're so close, We're

461
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.880
so close, And then check the
six and check the spreadsheet because I just

462
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:04.280
put I just put some stuff on
there. Okay, pretty pretty amped.

463
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.800
We're whenever we get out out of
Ewoks, we're going to be in some

464
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:15.480
great territory Aspen were. So we
were just talking about we were just we

465
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:21.440
always started talking about clear points of
view perspectives, how Killers of the Flower

466
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.880
Moon three and a half hour long
film can feel like it flies by because

467
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.280
of a clear perspective and commitment and
uh, you know, like often love

468
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:38.320
for a thing, right, And
I do think that we can feel Maybe

469
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:44.559
that's it is like I can feel
the exhaustion of these episodes, much like

470
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:49.760
I can feel the tension and the
frustration of Friday's Child. Do you know

471
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:54.320
what I mean? Yes, just
Friday's Child. Mean, it's based on

472
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.159
that poem, but more than anything, I hope it's based off of Lady

473
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:07.760
Madonna by a Beatles Lady Madonna children
at choirs, wonder how you manage to

474
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:14.920
feed the rest? And he goes
through and it's like Buddy's Dad, you

475
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.920
know wow, which if you're going
with the original end egg, what a

476
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:24.000
bittersweet episode title because Friday's Child is
loving and giving? Yep, I think

477
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:30.719
actually truly. Uh wait, sorry, now I'm caught on this. How

478
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.400
does it go? How does the
what is the the Friday's Child part?

479
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.840
Go? On? Lady Madonna?
Friday Night arrives with out a suit ca

480
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:45.159
so it's not the child, but
it's just Monday's child anyway. I guess

481
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.599
that's sounded it at all. I
got it wrong. My dadd used to

482
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.800
play it on the piano. I'd
come in and he'd be like Burner birder

483
00:43:52.840 --> 00:44:00.360
Bird. Thank you. Jeff Webster. Yeah, yeah, Friday's Child is

484
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:07.400
loving and giving is the poem.
And what it says makes me feel sad.

485
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:14.800
Yeah, makes I feel really sad, especially if like you call it

486
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:21.480
Friday's child when the whole point of
it is that she does not want this.

487
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.599
It just kind of becomes, oh, that's a clever turn of phrase

488
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:31.199
as opposed to something that is potent
and meaningful and filled with dramatic irony.

489
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:42.039
Right, Although we do get Bones
looking really delighted and as you love it

490
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:47.000
when he's delighted, you also get
the line a classic formula of I'm a

491
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.800
doctor nada with I'm a doctor,
not an escalator, which is which means

492
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.880
that escalator still exists in the future. Right. I genuinely was like,

493
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.920
you're just interested in old tech or
are there escalator? I'm a doctor,

494
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:06.239
not an escalator? All on Basquez
rocks. It's interesting that we're right back

495
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.239
to discussion about Frida's child, But
sorry, we can go back to Ewoks.

496
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:16.679
Not too terribly much to say about
both hard Cell and a Warrior and

497
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:25.880
Alerto. So one really hot chipmunk
lady. Oh yeah, she was real

498
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.400
hot. Actually, we'll get into
it, like for Starship. But I

499
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:37.960
got thoughts interesting, well, I
do have. I did have some interesting

500
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.119
thoughts around it. I genuinely was
thinking about it, which is I think

501
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:50.480
we often get into resource scarcity and
ewoks we do he look sprised like ewoks

502
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:55.679
is. I know it's a lot
of trading and bartering, but the implication

503
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.679
within hard cell is that a lot
of people don't have the sources to be

504
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.199
able to trade. They are I
mean, Larry, I think, is

505
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.239
playing them. But like what if
he genuinely doesn't have anything and he's just

506
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:14.800
trying to get by and they give
him the blanket Wick. It's clearly upset

507
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:22.199
about it because he wants those fucking
horns and he's just like angry to have

508
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:27.199
to to give this away. And
I just was thinking about he is a

509
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.599
fucking torp, whereas Tiba is a
sweet little boy who feels a lot of

510
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:37.559
empathy and then he's crying buckets and
then in an oarrior and Alerto, he

511
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.039
it's actively this blog has dammed up
this this water, this river, so

512
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.079
the other creatures can't have the water
as they need it. And it's literally

513
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:51.480
about the the greed and the selfishness
of hoarding resources, and in that case

514
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.960
it's water. And I just think
there's like an interesting sort of that happens

515
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.800
so often within these Ewoks stories,
to the point where you made a whole

516
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:08.320
argument about it. Maybe there's a
shorthand to know. I have no justification

517
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:16.360
for this, but if the episode
becomes preoccupied with acquiring resources, you're going

518
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.920
to be in for a bad time, I think. So I felt mad

519
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.199
about it this episode the Friday's Child
starts off or talking about mineral rights on

520
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:36.559
Capella. Also, oftentimes any type
of like marginalized people don't have there's no

521
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.800
justice, they don't have power,
their voices aren't as strong. It is

522
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:45.880
often about the false sense that there's
a lack of resources, like so oftentimes

523
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:52.360
you have you know that, like
it makes it seem like only so many

524
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.800
people can have this power, so
there's like the chosen few. So white

525
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:59.679
women get to have this power and
they don't want to share or bring up

526
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.840
black women because there's this idea that
there are not enough resources to go around

527
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.119
in terms of that power. So
there's also a lack of resources in terms

528
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:16.599
of gender dynamics as well, in
addition to mineral resources. So yes agreed,

529
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.079
and a warrior an alert who he's
hoarding all that water? She don't

530
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:28.039
know the gender blog A monster seems
like a hippo with a blowhole, a

531
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:37.320
flat top blowhole, a flat top
blowhole. It's name money improv. Oh

532
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:42.320
my god, are we about to
start an improv team? Call it flattop?

533
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:52.079
Nothing would more just a little dooh
of us. Yeah. The resource

534
00:48:52.199 --> 00:49:00.920
the resource pieces. I wish there's
just not what is there politically about these

535
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.760
eloks episode? As opposed to both
of these episodes, it's kind of being

536
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:15.559
about either bartering with resources or hoarding
resources. One is trying to sell resources.

537
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.039
One is trying to prevent someone from
hoarding resources. Also, not only

538
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.639
the verse the first one about selling
and trading, they're also competing for these

539
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:32.639
horns and the creature it's literally had
those horns cut off him and he returns

540
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:37.760
at the end of the episode supposedly, I guess because it's funny. They're

541
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.599
like, oh, you did all
that and you don't even get these horns.

542
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:47.440
And he comes back and they're like
because they're like, who gets the

543
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.880
the eaton? Yeah, the eton
tusks? Who gets the tusks? And

544
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:52.960
they're like, I should get it
because this happened. I should get it

545
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.719
because this happened. And then the
eaton shows up at the window with like

546
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:04.480
gaping holes where their tusks should be
and I was just like, what,

547
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:10.360
no, what the fuck? This
is a really sweary episode because I'm mad

548
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:20.800
because the Walks feel entitled because they
were exploited by Mouth who has a cold?

549
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.840
Can't just take the day off by
exploited, I mean, you know

550
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.880
they wanted they want them tasks.
I think there's a message here about how

551
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:38.840
exploited and oppressed people's if they are
deprived of their own resources and then placed

552
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:43.960
into other situations, will also then
use the tools of the oppressor to deprive

553
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.880
other oppressed peoples of their resources.
Yeah. I think that's exactly what the

554
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.360
children show the Star Wars e Walks
was saying, yes, yeah, four

555
00:50:52.639 --> 00:51:00.960
clock Cole still preoccupied with uh,
Palestinian is really conflict as well. You

556
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:09.599
should conflict, JENNISI ipe everybody is
where I should really, I should really

557
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:16.400
release a statement. The Tambles,
Yeah, there's a tamble baby. That's

558
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:22.440
a connection. There are babies in
these episodes. The table baby is actually

559
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.800
very cute, and then Tbo just
kicks it on accident. Hold on,

560
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:31.920
hold on, Aspen. It looks
like the Tamble mother makes the Tamble baby

561
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.519
go walk out there to get Tebo's
attention. That's how I read it.

562
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:44.239
So she's using this baby. Yeah, I wrote down Tambles using their child

563
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:58.559
as bait to conscript another child to
participate in a proxy war. The Tambles

564
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:10.880
are a metaphor for America. Maybe
we're mad because we're mad at America.

565
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.480
Maybe that's what's happened. All these
resources available to us, and the best

566
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.960
thinking that we can do is,
what if there was a square truck?

567
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:30.039
Oh my god, duh. All
of these resources and it just goes to

568
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:38.719
making life worse than just making billionaires
richer. Oh no, let's pull ourselves

569
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.199
up out of the noose dive.
No, that's when we got to pull

570
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:49.760
ourselves up out of the nose dive. Okay, okay, I think we

571
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.280
talked about common anlyts between this these
three episodes. Yeah, I think it's

572
00:52:53.360 --> 00:53:00.079
time to cast our kades up from
the ground and look up to this guy.

573
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:08.639
Ready the stars. I think it's
time to starship. It's the next

574
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:15.400
segment. That's it's a starship.
It a long time ago. Start dating

575
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:21.960
this week. I quoted a boat, I dated a game, but none

576
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:30.159
of them could warp my drive into
higher space. The best of both worlds

577
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:39.360
kept me in the second place.
Captain's log on a Halla kron I wanted

578
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:45.679
a snog. I penned a song
seventeen more minutes, a guise in super

579
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:59.559
high depth aboard the USS Enterprise DTV. Don't you take my walk lighter and

580
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:06.039
Cliff, don't you take my red
schord, buddy and spill the tea.

581
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:12.599
I'm gonna sip it. Starship it
incredible, absolutely incredible. Once again,

582
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.159
thank you to joelty partner. He
wrote that he just like sat down and

583
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.920
just started putting together words and then
just like wrote it in like thirty minutes.

584
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.440
To be fair, I think that's
Joel's opusly talented and also I'm pretty

585
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:28.760
sure that's how all songwriting right works. Yeah, sure, for sure,

586
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.599
sure for sure. I'm not a
songwriter, so I can only assume,

587
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:40.360
uh I starship it. So start
with our favorite vehicles, then move into

588
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.199
our romantic ships. I thought about
the romantic ships. I think about the

589
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:59.119
vehicles. A great question. I'm
doing quick research to make sure that my

590
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:13.639
mm hmmm ship has been said indeed
the first appearance of it. I am

591
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:19.119
also curious because I have one,
and I'm also not sure is it the

592
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:25.800
same one? Interesting maybe maybe not. You go first, Okay, uh,

593
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.800
the Klingon bird of prey. It's
not a bird of prey. It's

594
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.599
not Is that a romulant thing?
Right now? Oh no, it's a

595
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.159
bird of prey. Yeah, it's
bird of prey, but not in a

596
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:44.400
candidate but like it will eventually be
right, this depending on which version.

597
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:50.679
Okay, if you're watching the Blu
Ray none altered, you get a tiny

598
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:55.760
little green box. No, but
if you watch the much more common remastered

599
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:01.639
version, you see the first appearance
of the Klingon D seven D seven.

600
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.719
Okay, I'm right, So it's
not quite that, but that is the

601
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.400
Klayton thing. Yeah, you see
it. It's it's pretty fuzzy, but

602
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:15.440
it is pretty unmistakable if you are
familiar. And I was very delighted by

603
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:24.440
it and excited. Also excited because
proving that Scotty can indeed captain the ship.

604
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:30.760
I'm like, what, I'm like, what we were worried about in

605
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.639
the last episode. I was just
like, you can fucking do this.

606
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.360
But yeah, it was that little
b plot of Scotty and the rest of

607
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:45.119
the crew being diverted off path and
kind of drawn away from the planet and

608
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.119
then yeah, seeing the Klanyon ship, I was like, ooh, that

609
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:57.719
good is It's a great design,
also designed by Matt Jefferies. And like

610
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.360
we talked about last week, keep
it that don't design philosophy because it understands

611
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.360
that the the cells need are extremely
powerful and they need to be far away

612
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:13.760
from the fuselage. Mm hmmm.
Oh yeah right. And also you need

613
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:21.480
to instantly identify that it is not
Federation, right, not Starfleet, and

614
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.880
so you get that thing that What
is interesting is that I believe the first

615
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.760
appearance of the D seven, and
listeners please write in correct me if I'm

616
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:35.920
incorrect the first appearance of the D
seven it's actually in the third season,

617
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.280
and there is an in universe reason
of why it looks the way that it

618
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:46.880
does because it looks a little bird
like mm hmm. But the Klingons don't

619
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:53.360
have birds prey yet. I think
we've even seen one of their ships officially,

620
00:57:53.840 --> 00:58:00.719
if we're watching the non special edition
versions of it. Got it.

621
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:05.559
It's a thing with the Romulans.
We'll get to it later. Got it

622
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.599
either way. Aspen's picked for this
week, it's the kling On battle cruiser.

623
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:15.679
Mm hmm. Well they got to
pick something else. God, dang

624
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:20.559
it had it been done before?
Oh? Man, not that I'm looking

625
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.519
at the spreadsheet. No, oh, what were you going to pick the

626
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.280
cling on cho? Yeah, of
course I was your ding dong. Oh

627
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.239
it's okay, sorry, you could
have it. That basically was yours.

628
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:40.880
I could pick the other one.
I feel like you. No, you're

629
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:50.480
gonna pick the waterfall. The waterfall
and indoor. Oh my gosh, because

630
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:59.199
they write it do yeah wrong,
beautiful? Was there anything else? I

631
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.599
don't. I don't don't think there
was any other. Oh, they do

632
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:07.760
ride, they they they there's like
that pig thing that they wrestle at the

633
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.960
beginning, and it's kind of like
there the top of the rounder the that

634
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.079
does that count? He's he's on
it for a second. I don't know

635
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:20.719
if it counts. Is the vehicle
if you're not going anywhere? Sorry,

636
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.320
the rules are weird. Also something
that he did like in Hard Sells that

637
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:30.920
at some point maybe Michael Reeves wrote
this episode because his kids were having to

638
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:36.920
sell things door to door. Oh
and he definitely at some point, Yeah,

639
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.280
they just kind of stop with the
pretense that we're selling and just kind

640
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:44.400
of adopt the common parlance of kids
fundraising from door to door. At one

641
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.000
point, Wicked is just like,
we're trying to raise money for a trip,

642
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:51.960
and the door keets really fun.
It was really funny. There's a

643
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.320
lot of good t Bocenan against too. That film me with a lot of

644
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.719
joy. If you're so in love
with Tebow, why don't you just ship

645
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:05.199
it? Ship it? Ship you
and Tebow? I do? Oh is

646
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:09.199
a child? Who do you ship
this week? Oh? I do?

647
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:17.159
Oh ah Wait, I had it
and I've genuinely forgot what I decided on.

648
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:25.079
Fuck you go first. I am
going to pick the Tambles. Oh,

649
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:31.239
they're a sweet They love each other
and they're you know, mother Tamble

650
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:36.440
and father Tamble are clearly in cahoots
and willing to use their child. That's

651
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:40.320
true. They've got a really good
little dynamic going there. They must love

652
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:47.079
each other in order to be able
to conscript child soldiers into their proxy war

653
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.679
with the blog, right, Yeah, I mean that has to you have

654
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.840
to really really good partnership for that
to work. I'd say, like to

655
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:05.880
be able to use a child solid
foundation. Yeah, speaking of which,

656
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:20.880
I think I ship the like.
I don't like this. I don't like

657
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:28.880
anybody. I like Ellien in this
episode of Friday's Child. I like her

658
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:34.880
so much and I like want to
like do that annoying thing where I'm like

659
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.519
I ship her with her own fucking
self, you know what I mean.

660
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:43.679
But I feel like that's cheap.
That's me not actually committing. You have

661
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:53.920
to commit, like I ship her
and Freedom, I ship her and leaving

662
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:59.599
her child somewhere and then going off
on her eat prey love trip or is

663
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:04.480
she like figures out her shit.
I'm going to write it down, Ellien

664
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:09.280
and Freedom, thank you, thank
you got your ship. I guess if

665
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:14.559
we were going for like what would
I secretly read and fanfic even though it

666
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.960
makes me feel a little bad,
it would be McCoy and her McCoy and

667
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:23.239
Allen, Like there is a touch
of like it felt like a weirdly like

668
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:30.400
kink filled episode, like she slaps
him, she slaps him again, he

669
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:36.559
slaps her, and she very like
I was sitting there going this is weird.

670
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.400
But I'm looking for an in episode
in universe way to like think about

671
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:45.079
this. And if they are a
culture that really values violence, she probably

672
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:51.639
was like actually deeply respected it.
Oh yeah, and so and there's like

673
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:55.280
a touch of like, well,
it's a little abrupt and violent, but

674
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:59.960
some people are into that. I
think I'm into this as a ship.

675
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:06.880
So my my real ship, despite
you know, because sometimes you ship weird

676
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.239
weird things. It's not it is, it is McCoy and Ellen. All

677
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:13.840
right, yeah, I'll put it. I'll put it down. Thank you.

678
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:21.519
But also Her Freedom and Eat Pray
Love. Uh. Speaking of Eat

679
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:35.039
Pray Love's time to rank this art. You tried so hard and got so

680
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.039
far, but at the end it
doesn't even matter. You're really good at

681
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:42.639
Segus. Thank you. Speaking of
Segus, it's time to get to the

682
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.880
central premise of our podcast, which
is better Star Trek versus Star Wars.

683
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:51.159
As we attempt to rank both Finding
a Child from Star Trek the original series

684
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.800
versus hard Sell and a Warrior and
Alerto. We could not stop talking about

685
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:57.679
hard Sell and a Warrior and Alerto. I don't know how we're going to

686
01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.639
be able to rank all of this. Uh. I will go first,

687
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:04.280
starting with Heart Cell and a Warrior
and Alerto. I'm going to give it

688
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:17.079
a five point five interesting not uh, not actively bad, no kind of

689
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:23.880
entertaining. Yeah, yeah, that's
really all the commentary that I have.

690
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.679
Whish there was more meat on the
bone, wish it was more than just

691
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:31.920
shenanigans. But you know, you
get what you get. You get what

692
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.159
you get, and also when you're
in a mood. Yeah, i'll give

693
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:44.320
it a five. So five,
Yeah, right down the middle. I

694
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:47.440
can't say I disagree with you,
so I won't. Thanks, You're welcome,

695
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:54.840
chill. Speaking of chill, Friday
Child left me cold, which is

696
01:04:54.880 --> 01:05:03.599
why I think I'm going to rank
it a five points seven one, No,

697
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:12.280
five point sixty eight for nineteen sixty
eight. Yeah, it's not the

698
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:20.239
worst episode that I've seen, but
it's just I found my I watched the

699
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.760
episode earlier today and even just later
today, I find it very difficult to

700
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:30.079
try and recall what the heck,
how the heck this episode ended? Weirdly,

701
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:36.000
it just evaporated out of my brain. Yeah, well, because what

702
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:43.000
what was what do we accomplish?
What do we accomplish? McCoy saying wikuchi

703
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:46.559
ku ujiji Gucci, and that really
great moment of I'd rather not. I

704
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.639
genuinely just just to say this,
when he tries to hand Spock the baby,

705
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:57.280
he literally said I'd rather and I
thought he was going to say die,

706
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:03.280
I'd rather die, captain, which
is so funny to me. Speaking

707
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:08.559
of handing the baby, I hand
you the rains to rank Friday's child.

708
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:12.920
Weirdly again, I actually thought the
bones of it weren't bad. I don't

709
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:16.719
know how it ended. I know, I think actually it had a really

710
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.880
strong A and B story. But
I just like, I'm gonna pull a

711
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:25.960
Kenny, and like if I even
if I'm like it isn't technically bad,

712
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:30.599
I'm still gonna be like it was
bad because of how it's leaving me the

713
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:32.559
taste in my mouth. So I'm
gonna call it a four. Oh you

714
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:41.239
do love to say it. Ooh
what a squeaker this week. That means

715
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:46.039
with the paltry four point eighty four
versus Ewoks robust five point two five.

716
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:55.760
Oh my god, Ewoks kind of
wild, doesn't you know, exhaustedly limp

717
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:01.000
to the end of the marathon,
but it like finishes, but all the

718
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:04.440
friends don't care enough about it to
clap it on. It's just like,

719
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:11.320
okay, it like started shitting halfway
through the marathon. No, because at

720
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:17.159
least that would be a glorious fail. Like this episode kept pace. One

721
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.760
time I ran a five K and
it was extremely hot, and I probably

722
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:25.639
pushed myself too hard, and right
as I got to the end of the

723
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:30.320
five K, I threw up.
And there's like a picture of me right

724
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.079
as I'm about to throw up.
That's like, not what this is,

725
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.960
because it's too boring for that,
but that's what I reminded me of.

726
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:46.079
Yep uh. Speaking of throw up, we got a comment for our patron

727
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:55.599
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01:07:55.599 --> 01:08:00.719
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729
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730
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:09.199
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731
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:15.039
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732
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.520
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733
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:25.640
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748
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:34.560
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749
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:41.279
get started going to Betty bye.
I don't know, I'm trying to think

750
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.359
if I had a new like final
thoughts beyond what we already said and I

751
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:50.279
think, Look, there's there's like
over six hundred and fifty pieces of Star

752
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.920
Wars that we got to watch.
There's over nine hundred. That's the Star

753
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:57.159
Trek. No, all them are
going to be winners, right right,

754
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.920
And they shouldn't have to be.
I think it's always the good thing to

755
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:04.239
members. They shouldn't have to be. They shouldn't. It makes the nice

756
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:11.880
ones stand out even more. It's
it's kind of the fun of loving something

757
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.560
entirely unconditionally, to be able to
see the flaws, see the weak spots,

758
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:23.920
being like, yes, I accept
this, which sounds so bizarre whenever

759
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.920
I say it out loud, because
corporations never look at me and be like,

760
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.880
I owe you something. But also, Star Trek is a member of

761
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.359
the family for me, and for
that I will always love it unconditionally,

762
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:39.600
just like I love AskMen unconditionally.
Oh I think I love you too.

763
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.439
An audience, we love you.
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764
01:10:45.520 --> 01:11:00.840
long and prosper oop see