Sept. 16, 2024

Whom Gods Destroy vs. Defenders of Peace

Whom Gods Destroy vs. Defenders of Peace

Aspen hates Whom Gods Destroy. Kenny loves Defenders of Peace (and so does Aspen). 

Is the Galactic Republic a strictly American analog? We also discuss the nature of conflict. Also, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov are constantly undercut. Why is that?...

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Season 1

Aspen hates Whom Gods Destroy. Kenny loves Defenders of Peace (and so does Aspen).

Is the Galactic Republic a strictly American analog? We also discuss the nature of conflict. Also, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov are constantly undercut. Why is that?

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Welcome to The Trek Wars Podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the question of which is better Star

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Trek or Star Wars by going through both franchises in

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chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison of the Star

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Trek contingent with me as for always a cup of

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tea in hand is.

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Aspen a webster. I did need a cup of tea

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to be able to get through this tonight.

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Speaking of having a cup of teas Aspen is a

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Defender of peace.

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Ah, yes, goodness, gracious, you are a real comedic.

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Genius, certainly, but I'm not a tactical genius like Garth

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of Izar is today. In our episode whom God's Destroyed

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from Star Trek's The Original Series Season three versus Defenders,

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a piece from Star Wars The Clone War season one,

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ending a two episode arc from what I Understand.

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Yeah you got yeah, you got it right? I mean,

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what else would they do? You know? I felt like

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they're just roll away. There's like an entire third episode

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and it's just a rolling time.

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That'd be fine. They're going to collect rings and all that. Yeah, band,

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that'd be fantastic.

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It's just a crossover.

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It is just a crossover crossover with.

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What's his name.

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Son?

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Yeah, Yeah, that's the guy I'm talking about.

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Uh. Well, speaking of guys that we're talking about, Uh,

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the people that I'm talking about are patrons who love

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to keep in touch with us via patreon, dot com,

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slash Trak, Wars pod and so too. Do we have

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a little bit of correspondence from our Patreon specifically Arizona

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Mark Sweet from our extended episode Dooku captured versus wink

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of an Eye, Arizona Mark clocked Nice, April Lavigne skater

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boy reference.

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As Oh okay, thanks.

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Good job. How do you feel about that?

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I really appreciate that we're all on the same page

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when it comes to our ages and what we value

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most in our our princesses of punk. I'm doing great too,

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all right. I feel like you started and you were like,

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I'm really tired, and I was like, it'll be fine,

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and I'm like, I've got some time to get colchy.

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Yeah. I believe that character arc that Aspen is going

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to go over in this episode is starting off at

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like kind of cozy yep, and an hour and a

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half later just going to be in like three different blankets.

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Would be incredible, just like it'll like cut back to me,

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like and I'll be like in a sweater.

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Yeah, how that happened?

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Just like magically happen all sudd I'm like in a sweater.

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And then it's like you see me again, and I'm like,

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why why do you have like a Parka.

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Uh instead of instead of a were wolf? It's Angela

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lands Wary.

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I really appreciate you. Hope you know that.

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Thank you.

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Sometimes I'm like, I hate this.

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I understand when.

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You do that, but also I respect that. It's a

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real skill set I just don't have. And what I've

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probably just been experiencing is jealousy. Uh.

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Speaking of jealousy, that's one of the Arizona Mark has

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on this next episode, the extended episode of the mpath

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Versus Gonna General h already Aspen's missing a breakfast tacos

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an exclusive maybe not exclusive, a Texas delicacy flap of

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Tortilla sounds like a punk rock band name.

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Okay. See, Mark is just really in the punk right now.

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That's what explains it.

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And speaking of punk, in regards to Zack Snyder, Arizona

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Mark says, because we were scared that Arizona Mark might

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actually be a diehard. We talked about Zack Snyder at

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length in our pre Patreon chat. Arizona Mark says, dang

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the deepest dis ever, even thinking I'd be militant for

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the likes of Zack Snyder. Really not a fan of him.

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I think I have enjoyed maybe thirty five percent of

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his films. Would love those percentages? About which thirty five

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percent that you love? Like maybe like the middle chunk

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of Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justas.

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That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, I don't know if

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the numbers work out that thirty five.

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They spent their looking for the White por Portuguese in

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that movie.

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No, I didn't watch it.

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Okay, I've watched it too many times because I'm fascinated,

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because I'm wondering, how can anyone like this movie? They

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spend the first hour of that movie looking for something

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called the White Portuguese.

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What is that?

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It's a boat, Okay, because Zack Snyder is trying to

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double down on Batman being the world's greatest detective, and

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so they spend an hour on trying to look for

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this boat. Whenever, really they just need like a piece

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of kryptonite because they got to fight the Superman, and

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then and then they finally find the kryptonite on the

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boat because they find a boat, and then they don't

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bother to show the heistening of the kryptonite. They have

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spent an hour of real estate emotionally getting us to

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try and care about how hard it's going to be

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to get this kryptonite. We are doing all of the work,

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all of the work, all of the work to try

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and find it, and whenever they get to the highest part,

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they just cut to like an broken open glass jar.

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Do you think this is the thirty five percent that

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Mark likes?

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Yeah? I think so.

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He's like, Wow, this is real filming. It's gonna be

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so sad. No, you're better than that. Sorry, mak A.

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They don't even show it.

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They don't even show id not even have a three

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hour ultimate edition.

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I couldn't imagine like hinting at a heist or setting

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it up and then just not following through on the promise,

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the promise of the greatest thing that we all love

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except for like murder mysteries, not you most people spoilers.

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Zack Snyder does that again with lackluster heist and Army

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of the Dead a bad movie. Anyways, we're not talking

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about Zack Snyder. We are talking about Arizona Mark and

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how great he is. Thank you, Arizona Mark. I'm excited

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to check out the Patterson cut of Ahsoka and excited

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to check out your interview with Kai Patterson over on

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the Whole dough Maneuver, yay and last pieces of housekeeping.

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I want to talk a little about a little bit

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about Star Trek News and Star Wars News. It was

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it was fun to talk about. Maybe fun is the

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right isn't the right word, but you know, let's see

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what happens with this segment, our new segment, new segment.

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I know number one Starfleet Academy in production.

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Cool.

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Imagine if I wanted a Star Trek TV show Starry

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Holly Hunter and Paul Giamati, I do. I do too,

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and so they are now in production. Now. Hopefully this

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means that Paramount will not suddenly shelve it at the

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last minute and why never get to see it. I'm

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very excited. Sounds different, sounds different for Star Trek, and

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I'm very very excited. Are you excited for the Starfleet

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Academy show.

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I am no, I mean absolutely, how could I not be.

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Well, there's a lot of reasons. You don't anymore, you

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only like making your own paper bound books.

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Oh god, that would be wait, like a person much

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cooler than me.

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Yeah, but you know, you make your own paper, you

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make your own ink. It's really the only ethical way

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of media consumption because you know all of the hands

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that are that it's coming from.

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It's just mine.

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Yeah, it's just mine.

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I'll put seeds into the paper, and when I'm done

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writing the book and then reading the book I wrote,

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I'll just put it back into the ground and grow

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a tree.

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Truly a tree of knowledge from that point.

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Yeah, So that would be why I wouldn't be into it,

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i'd say. But apart from that, very that very specific reason,

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I'd say, I'm pretty excited. I mean, just feels really cool.

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Yeah. And then we got tig Nataro being a regular

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cast member tig Nataro cast member of Army of the Dead.

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But also a cast member in Discovery.

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Yeah. Yeah, she's playing that same character jet Reno.

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Which is okay, okay, so it was the same character.

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I was going to say, playing cool, cool, cool, very nice.

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Uh. And then I think we touched on it last

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week briefly in terms of Austin Aaron asking us things

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that we might be excited about within the franchise, with

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the franchises that we're covering. Uh, and we touched on

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it a little bit. Star Wars, Skellington.

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Crew, skelling Skellon scale.

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Skellington Crew.

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It is Skellington.

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I'm saying it the exact way that Danny Butiterman says

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Skellington in Hot Fuzz.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think uh hot fuzz.

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I don't know nothing about No. Skellington's, by the way,

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not hot fuzz.

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But there is uh. It is the like twentieth anniversary

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of Sean of the Dead's release Wild.

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There is absolutely formative film for high school Kenny.

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There's a theater in Burbank that changed their little bar

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area to look like the Winchester and that's and I

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want to go, like I know that because Edgar Wright

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tweeted about it and I was just like, Okay, I'll

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go I live here. Not that's cute. I like it.

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I will happily go see that in theaters. But sorry,

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the Skeleton Crew. Yeah, skeleton Yeah, I'm pumped for it.

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I'm in. I don't listen. What can I say?

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Well, you love kids on bikes. I love kids on

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bikes so much so that you were in a show

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that was initially called Kids on Bikes.

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It was actually never called Kids on Bikes. It was

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called How I Saved the World over Summer Vacation, and

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every single person called it kids on Bikes, thus angering

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the director. But he would never actually like say that,

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Like every once in a while he'd be like, that's how

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I say the World over Summer Vacation. Would be like,

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sure it is.

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That's very funny.

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Should we call kids on bikes? Just faster to say?

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I love kids on bikes? Talked about it a lot.

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It's a it's a trope that I love. I think

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it's fantastic. I like the idea that parents and adults

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are not there to save you because they aren't what it's.

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True they should be.

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That was just trauma.

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No, let's uh, let's not unpack that any So did

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you did you experience the same tonal whiplash that I

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did whenever I watch that trailer? Probably not be Actually

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you haven't seen the trailer. You haven't watched the trailer?

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No, I haven't.

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Oh fascinating, no intentional choice.

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Yeah, I don't know. It happened too with the Acolade.

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I actually held out for a long time. I know.

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I think that there there might be a little bit

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of a fear thing that always happens for me, or

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maybe as we get closer to it, I can like

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get my hope feeling strong. Oh oh, this might be.

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This might be revealing some things about my like fear

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of things I like getting canceled immediately by Disney talking

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about Oh, by the way, sorry this is off topic,

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but on topic of things we like getting canceled, Head

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Boy Detectives got canceled on Netflix, and like, I just

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really loved that show. I was, I was genuinely like

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that that could have this could have been like one

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of those shows that were like really kept going and

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built steam and got better and better and better.

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And how many seasons did it get? One?

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It got one single season. And someone brought up the

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fact that Supernatural, a show that went on for fifteen seasons,

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also almost got canceled after one season. One of the

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fifteen seasons and had like a dedicated, huge fan base, right,

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it's like, let these things fucking breathe. And the reason

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I I'm so sorry the term that we landed on

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last week. I know that because I listened to the

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episode yesterday.

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Gotta let them cook. We gotta let them cook. We

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gotta let them Yeah, we gotta let them cook. And

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I'm just bummed because actually that show was fun. It

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was a fun time. I really enjoyed it, and I

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liked the characters so much so. It's also a show

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with queer characters, and I'm just like, man, you're just

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destroying shit, huh with like black women and like lead

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you know, whatever, whatever whatever anyway.

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But well, personally, I hate Netflix shotting. It's woke identity

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politics down my throat. Instead, I'll just watch the latest

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Joe Rogan Live special.

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Yeah, or the Dave Chappelle special. Truly interesting material. Anyway.

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I guess that gets a soft topic for Star Wars

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and Star Trek things. But I think it's going to

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be fun and I'm excited. And I'm also excited for

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apparently them trying to fight for the Acolyte, which apparently

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they're doing so Oh, we'll see what happens.

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the Aclyte.

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is that a real serious thing? You know, but it

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like it's like the vibes people are like, I think

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the actors are fighting, right, you know, we'll see, we'll see.

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I would not be imagined. I would not be surprised

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if Mandelastenberg was just like, no, I'm good, I'm good.

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That is actually what I.

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Was thinking is I was like, why would you do it?

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Why would you actually fry for the thing when it's

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like they're pieces of shit?

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Parlay the notability from playing two different roles in the

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Acolyte into something else that can be more challenging than

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you know, getting verbally abused, getting death threats. Let us

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let us tarry no further and talking about the death

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threats with him being a Star Wars fan, and instead

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try and celebrate these two things that we love.

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We do fucking love them. We love them because we're

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real Star Wars and Star Trek fans.

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We're not like these others.

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We're not like these other ones. So ignore when I'm

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gonna really hate on the Star Trek.

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I love it when they slammed their woke identity politics

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down my throat. Gobble gobble, as.

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I got to say, gobble, yeah, I want to do

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some factoids and descriptions absolutely.

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Speaking of Gobble Gobble, Star Trek's latest turkey is Whom

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God's Destroying First aired January third, nineteen sixty nine, director

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Herb Wallersteen. You might be familiar with this work from

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being a last minute replacement on the Tholeian Web A

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writer from an initial idea by Jerry Soul's story by

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Lee Irwin and Jerry sol teleplay by Lee Irwin, and

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our synopsis comes from Judy Crosby and her syndicated column

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a TV key previous as carried in the Corpus Christy Times,

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January third, nineteen sixty nine, Judy Crosby wrote, Captain Kirk

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and mister Spock become prisoners an intergalactic asylum where the

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inmates have seized control and now planned to rule the universe.

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Of course, there is a woman in charge of the planet.

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She is gorgeous. That's I understand that. That's Yvonne Craig,

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who plays Marta, and she uses her feminine wilds on

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Captain Kirk these scripts are sounding like leftovers from the

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Man from.

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Uncle's series that's in it. That's funny.

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Also, Marda is not the one that's in charge of

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the planet. It's Garth, Garth of Iyzar. You can hear

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him screaming from the next apartment over if you're living

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in an apartment complex.

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be like someone.

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Dying speaking of people dying.

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Wait, other other joke I wanted to make, but he said, like, uh,

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not borrowed. It was like something about the like an

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earlier story idea or something, and I was just going

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to be like, oh, and also borrowing from ideas of

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what was it, like the Knife of the mind or something.

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Uh, there are similarities. I think they might also just

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literally be using the same chair from that episode, but

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instead of the neural neutralizer being overhead now there are

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points on the side that are circling around, which, to

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be fair, that's a cool chairs chair.

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What was the other thing? It reminded me of something

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so strongly? Do I write it down?

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I'll just go to the assessment And these are the

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Boyages season three from Mark Cushman and Susan Osborne. Star

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Trek had visited Pino Colony and Dagger of the Mind

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and had seen a shape shifter in The Man Trap

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and a duplicate Kirk in both The Enemy Within and

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What Our Little Girls Made of.

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I think it was duplicate Kirk stuff. Yeah, that was

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probably it. It's like we've had other It was definitely

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one of those where I was like, we'll get to

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we get in our first impressions, but it's definitely one

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of where I was like, we've seen this before, every

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single part of this except for like some minor but

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major pieces and done so much better kind of thing.

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the altern factor in that which survives a future episode,

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but with duplicate Kirks so much so as we've talked

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about within this show, Trek wars that Stan robertson their

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NBC executive that's being like, hey, do a little bit better, folks,

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had to be like, y'all just keep doing duplicate Kirk stories.

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Knock at all.

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Right, this one is and it just feels boring, although

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it does get.

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Hold on Kirk. Just because you and I agree that

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this episode is boring, we shouldn't spoil the fact that

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we both think it's boring. Let's save our opinion of

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us thinking that this episode is boring for our first impressions,

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where we will then reveal.

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Talk about how boring it is.

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Yeah, because make no mistake, you and I are both

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on the same page. Okay, so episode is boring, but

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let's not spoil the shape of show. Speaking of shape of.

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Show, speaking of shape of show, speaking of the shape

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of Kirk. Defenders of the Beast Star Wars Clone Wars

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released January twenty third, two and nine. Are we doing January.

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Twenty Probably taking an oap?

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Probably? Yeah, me too. Uh, let's see. Defenders of the

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Piece was directed by Stewart Lee, who, according to the

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Folowy Zone, he really liked Hong Kong action films. It

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was written by Bill Canterbury yep, and of course series

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writers Henry Gilroy and supervising is Scott Murphy. But Bill

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Canterburry the writer of this episode. Here is our description

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from miamdb, our favorite TV archaeologist who seems to be

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all over everything that's.

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True for seeing a synopsis for something else, and it

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was attributed to the TV archaeologist. What do you do

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all the time? It says your job, oh.

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Might be great, a pretty good one. You have to

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just like watch a bunch of shit where I guests

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go to Wikipedia.

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Or now Chat, GPT.

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Maybe TV archaeologist is a Wikipedia writer and likes to

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go and do all that stuff and then puts it

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into IMDb.

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Okay, do you think that he wears an Indiana Jones hat?

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Probably? I hope so. I hope so.

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And he's got a little pick act or they just oh,

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my gosh, am I a sexist? Yes, I'm going to

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write it down. Then I'm a sexist.

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Yep, he's write that in my notes. A separate displeat

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led by nimboidan lock NERD arrives, which for the longest

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time I was like, you're not saying turd, are you.

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They're not. They're saying TRD arrives on Marudin to test

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their new Defoliator weapon, which destroys organic life but leaves

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machines intact. Unknown to them, three Jedi and two Clone

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Troopers are stuck nearby. Of course, from the last episode,

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they were still staying there because Anakin had been hurt,

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as we recall, and he the Lerreman were getting him

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better bringing back to health. Three Jedi and two Clone

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troopers are stuck nearby without a means of transport off planet.

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When the Lerman village becomes endangered by the Test, the

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Jedi rush to defend it, despite the injections of village

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elder tt CO. That's pretty in description, thanks TV archaeologist,

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pretty well written. You didn't get main facts wrong like

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someone Corpus Christy did so yes, Uh, one of these

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episodes was boring. One of these episodes was not. We

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didn't spoil anything, so can people guess which is which.

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We'll leave it up to you.

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Whereas I think we talked about it. You texted me,

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you said, asked them as Clone Wars is and you

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just did the emoji for fire, holy cow went it

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up and then great ending, and I said, on the

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flip side, the star Trek is and then I put

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an emoji on ice cube.

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We are clever, We're so funny.

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We are comedians.

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Againess like poetry, so if they rhyd anyways, yeah, our

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first opressions we think that whom God's is really boring.

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And I also think that Defenders is like, oh yeah,

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this is what Clone Wars could do.

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Oh, it is fun, It is interesting. It made me

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think about how I had been providing commentary and assessment

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on the idea of like, oh, clone Wars offers insight

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into what it must be like to just be people

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in this galaxy as opposed to like our main heroes.

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But it actually kind of pulled me into a little

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bit more of an assessment around but the separatists represent

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which they are primarily composed of, like dangerous capitalists and

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like mechanists and like, which in and of itself is

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like it's it's a it's a it is kind of

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a true separate force for power, separatist force for power

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as opposed to like maybe based on maybe based on

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truer intentions. However, I mean, I don't take back things

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I said about like the complexity of how other people

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might take it in and see which sides they belong to.

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But that did I was thinking about a little bit

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more because ultimately they are about colonialization and resource destruction

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and stealing and so which is what capital so anyway,

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not really caring about living things, really just doing things

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for the bottom line. But also the episode has George

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de Kay and that is great.

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Yes, which I believe is our first actual tangible link

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between both the Starchek and the Star Wars franchise because

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both of these episodes this way, I found a commonality

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between both these.

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Both of them had George de Kay and them both

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of them George, they do yeah, the other one does too, right, Yes,

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it does, it does? Yes right. I hated the episode

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I have know ideone has. I'm pretty sure that.

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That's the unfortunate thing, uh, because I definitely know that

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Kirk's black, McCoy and Scott are in it. But then

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I have been Sulu is not really a character. He's

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a guy who is like of course laid in, sir.

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Right and Santa checkob lately too. Yeah, they're just like

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not people anymore. They're not characters, so hurrah too. She

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gets to give like notifications of things. Sometimes she gets

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a little bit more to say, but like giving up

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her quarters.

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They're not really characters. They they are recurring folks that

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you know their names, and they're not they're not yeah, yeah,

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you know, you don't really know what they stand for.

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Sula's characterization in the beginning of the show is way

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better than it is here in this oh at this point,

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the same with Aura.

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Yeah, yeah, there's nothing happening.

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No, Yeah, Sulu is a guy who liked to try

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a whole bunch of different things and had friends, and

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this was a lady ownership and was just like you

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know what's great singing?

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Yeah, and also both beautiful and capable.

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Also strikes me as someone that kind of signed up

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to do military service because it was something to do,

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but it doesn't necessarily want to be there. Yeah, because

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she's I mean in her introduction, which I think is

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the man trap where she's like, if I have to

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hear Haley or if I have to hear uh whatever,

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Spot says one more time, I'm going to go out

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of my mind, which it's my kryptonite. Whenever people are like,

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you know this space stuff just the tired job Star Wars,

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they'll start treks.

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In this case, I I've got I've got some It

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pulled some stuff for me, some actual interesting like thematics,

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but you know, I whatever, because yeah, while this episode

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was while the Star Wars episode was a rollicking good

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time that brings up interesting questions about what's worth fighting for,

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like or also kind of going back to what we

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were talking about last week when we were talking, because

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we were talking we were discussing the first episode of

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the arc, of this sort of diplomacy that is necessary

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of like a few things come up that I would

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love to get into a little bit more about, like

476
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.599
Sakura talking about like we can't force anybody to do anything,

477
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:43.400
like we have a responsibility to protect, but like it's

478
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:46.279
almost like they find a way to keep them safe

479
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:51.880
without necessarily like violating until it really becomes desperate. And

480
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.319
I think that that's very interesting. I mean, in the

481
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.799
Jedi are you know, damn big heroes in this one,

482
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:01.559
but like to word that learnman, and I just think

483
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:03.920
a lot of interesting ideas come out of it. Meanwhile,

484
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:09.279
in the Star Trek episode, that's just so offensive and boring.

485
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.279
Like if it were just boring, it'd be one thing.

486
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.599
If it were just offensive, would be one thing. But

487
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:19.599
it's offensive and boring. So frustrated though I did like

488
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.039
the guy. I did like Garth screaming a lot until

489
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.000
I didn't you know what I mean not.

490
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:28.160
Asking you might be talking about character actor Steve Enot,

491
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:35.720
who died three years after this after a killer Yeah,

492
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.519
it stressed his blood vessels. Let's play one of America's

493
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:46.200
favorite games. How old is this actor?

494
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:55.200
Kill? Let me think thirty two?

495
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:04.279
Excellent? Guess? Okay, are you are within two years of

496
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:06.279
some in some way?

497
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.160
Okay, let's go thirty four?

498
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.000
Right on the head. This actor was thirty four years old,

499
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.000
about to be two years younger than me. Yeah, by

500
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:20.240
playing esteem? How old was Shatner here?

501
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.759
Right? It's always moments like this that I invite everyone

502
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.880
to come and see us on camera and just how

503
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:32.000
beautiful are skin? Looks? It's true, we're just like glow

504
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.640
in our thirties, you know, yeah, probably not smoking, going

505
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:38.240
to therapy.

506
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:43.160
William Shatner was born in March twenty second, so this

507
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.799
so they were filming this in nineteen sixty eight, which

508
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.000
would make Shatner he was born in thirty one, which

509
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.839
would make him thirty five? What make Shatner thirty five?

510
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.480
In this actor? There's thirty four whenever this was filmed.

511
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.519
So this great fleet captain that Kirk had to his

512
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.680
fleet strategies were required reading at the Academy is actually

513
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:13.039
younger than Shatner, but looks it looks twenty years older.

514
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.839
It looks so much older. It's like a rough time,

515
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.720
you know, it's like a real rough time.

516
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.279
Did you know that the air was just smoke back

517
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:22.240
in the sixties?

518
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:27.440
We did, actually remember nice the movie Nice Guys, which

519
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.799
we love. Actually we have talked about this. We love

520
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.400
Nice Guys. I mean a big part of that is

521
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.880
there in Los Angeles pre catalytic converters being put into cars,

522
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.400
and like it's one of the biggest things. One of

523
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.079
the things that I'm saying was I'm talking tout I asked,

524
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.200
but I imagine it's one of the major feats that

525
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:49.119
reduced fog and pollution. And like just actually having any

526
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.359
kind of regulations on air quality, It's almost like regulations

527
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:53.519
are actually.

528
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:58.799
Good, enforceable government regulations can actually lead to, you know,

529
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.519
the better quality of life on this planet that no

530
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:08.559
one asked to be alive on anyways, whoa hold on

531
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.039
all in a second, this is what happens.

532
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:13.839
This is what actually happens when we're when we're tired.

533
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.480
It's like not that we become necessarily like uninteresting. Is

534
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:22.799
we get like a little too personal, you know, like

535
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:29.799
a little too mad. It's a freaking offensive episode. I

536
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.640
actually find it to be so lazy that they are.

537
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.119
It is. It is an extremely mid episode not boring

538
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.079
enough to be exciting, like, oh boy.

539
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.920
Oh I don't remember anything?

540
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:52.480
What is some hot bad catspaw. I'm like, this is

541
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.839
so campy. I'm I'm delighted because everyone's going for it.

542
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.359
It's such a big broad episode a cat How can

543
00:30:59.400 --> 00:30:59.920
be mad at that?

544
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:00.920
Big old cats?

545
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.960
As opposed to this episode, which is, you can't argue

546
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.599
that a cat spot has been done on Star Trek again,

547
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.880
but this episode, you've done it earlier though granted it

548
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:16.799
hasn't rerun at this point in time. Well, but also

549
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.960
like they've done the prison thing and but it's also

550
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.920
kind of an inmates running in the asylum thing, and.

551
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:28.319
But this time around the idea, the idea is that

552
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:34.279
they are criminally insane and it is being played. If

553
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.960
it's for like current times, you'd be like, oh, this

554
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.519
is like the Joker and Harley Quinn, but without like

555
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.599
the fun of the thing, like and without any agency

556
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.319
or power being granted to them. It just like feels

557
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:54.319
very weird and shitty. It feels like a lot of gosh.

558
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.519
I just would have rather they just not even engage

559
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.000
with it at all, like like, oh, that was what

560
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.599
I was thinking. Space Seed is the better example Space

561
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.319
Seed and Wrath of kN because it's the same kind

562
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.799
of concept of like a sort of a megalomaniac type

563
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:14.319
of character who wants to take control of the galaxy.

564
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.640
But at least with kN he's coming from a it's

565
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.279
a perspective of well, but I am actually genetically superior,

566
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.559
Like I do deserve this thing. I mean, it's there's

567
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.640
a lot of pieces in there, Whereas this is like

568
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:28.920
a dude that if I were to sit down and

569
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.440
be like, oh boy, am working in the in the

570
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.440
in the hospital right now as a certified therapist, a

571
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.839
thing that I was not in a county hospital though,

572
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.759
like and I was like, this is your this is

573
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.039
your patient, Like I'd be like, okay, well would I like,

574
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.640
I guess we're Like it just feels it actually, this

575
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:48.720
is one of those examples where it feels like it's

576
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.799
been done before better in terms of like motivations and

577
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.000
just to be like, well, he's crazy. It's so lazy

578
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.440
and so offensive it drives me up the wall.

579
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:04.680
I will't say in this episode's defense, No, in this

580
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.880
episode's defense in regards to like Space Seed versus this episode,

581
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:11.960
and it's not a Star Trek versus Star Trek podcast,

582
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.839
that would be weird. But in regards to this episode,

583
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.359
this one doesn't have brown face, so that does give

584
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.720
it an edge over yea space also, And it's really

585
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.400
interesting to hear the Star Wars fan really defending brown

586
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.279
face in regards to this episode being worse, and you're like,

587
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.000
what makes Space Seed great? Ye or it's racial politics?

588
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:38.599
Could you put this in the notes? Could you write

589
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:39.799
a racist?

590
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:40.400
Yeah?

591
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.759
You gotta dude right under Kenny says, I am a sexist.

592
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.200
I am a sex So we we fixed racism and

593
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.920
sexism and then we just this is a Chris Grace joke.

594
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.480
We talked about Chris Grace's show and the Patreon and

595
00:33:58.480 --> 00:33:59.400
one of the jokes.

596
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.680
He makes, which you can find at Netflix.

597
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:11.320
Nope, I was just kidding. It's that's where you'll find

598
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:15.280
everything like Dead Boy Detectives that's canceled. It's on Dropout,

599
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:16.880
drop Out Television.

600
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:28.360
Our Patreon, Chatton.

601
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.079
Dot Com, slash Chuck Corse Pod. I thought you here curious.

602
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.079
I want people to know where to watch is special.

603
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:34.960
One of the things is.

604
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.760
Find out if you listen to the Patreon. I'm talking

605
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.599
about trying to punish the capitalist pigs that are trying

606
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:47.119
to force us into being into these different bagged holes

607
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.320
and and no, we're trying to all your money. Drive

608
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.480
get over the Patreon. I am pretty tired. I gotta

609
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:58.840
pull back. It's pretty aggressive, he makes is.

610
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.000
He's like at one point in the show, I'll fix

611
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.599
racism and then I'll reinvent it. I was just thinking that,

612
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.519
like you fixed it and reinvent Ah. Yeah, yeah, you're right,

613
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:10.760
you're right, you're right, You're right.

614
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.400
Now I agree with this is a pretty mid episode.

615
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.280
But it's not just me. It's it's it's like I

616
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.559
do feel fundamentally and like offended by it, Like it

617
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:27.280
just is God, I don't know, man, it's just shitty

618
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:32.800
and it's stupid. Like the way that Marta, So the way.

619
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.039
He behaves Marta, what a shrill character that well has

620
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.000
nothing going on.

621
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.119
She's like and it's like but again the direction to

622
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.280
her and to him as well to no one else

623
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:48.719
they basically just blumber around is like be as like

624
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:53.599
a fucking psycho, right, like just be a cycle. Like

625
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.920
the way she just sort of likes all over him

626
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:58.760
and like ficks out, and the way he like has

627
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.599
his sudden turns like it would just but the things

628
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.440
we've also had this before, it'd be much. I was

629
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.159
just like, well, what if you were just like a

630
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:09.679
megalomaniac obsessed, like a capricious person who turned. But we've

631
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.119
had that with like gods before, right, so it's like already,

632
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.280
like I just I feel that it is frustrating and

633
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.400
reductive in that way. And then to have her as

634
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.239
this sort of simpering strange again, the worst version of

635
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.159
Harley when you could do where someone was just like,

636
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.760
you know what, I hate women, and you know what

637
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:33.840
I think is funny, like mental illness. Like, don't get

638
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.440
me wrong, mental illness is hilarious. But only if I

639
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.199
make that job only people with mental illness, this is

640
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:39.760
gonna make sense.

641
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.159
You don't get to make that joke I did.

642
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.199
But even then again reductive, Yeah, she's she's shrill, simpering,

643
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.679
she's shitty. The best thing she does is she tries

644
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.159
to get with She tries to get with Kirk and

645
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:55.519
like be like, I want to get you out of here,

646
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:56.920
and then pulls a knife on him, which I actually

647
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.960
thought was d I fucking loved that because I was like, yeah,

648
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:04.760
I don't know, I'm not putting this enough into words

649
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.440
excepted to say I hate it. I'm not.

650
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:09.480
I'm not.

651
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.239
Like I think that they're like I'm trying to think

652
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:17.599
of representations of mental illness that are not perfectly offensive,

653
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.280
but like who or that, like.

654
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.360
It's going to be it's going to be slim Piggins

655
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.280
in nineteen sixty ns Well.

656
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:24.719
I mean like I'm thinking of like One Floor of

657
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.880
Cucka's Nest, right, which is a fundamentally empathetic movie and

658
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:33.400
book as well. Yeah, and the baddie, the baddie of

659
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:34.960
One Floor of with the Cuca's Nest is the person

660
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:40.039
who's apparently not does not have me on mental health diagnoses,

661
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.679
you know, she's the cruel one, and like these are

662
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:45.320
like people.

663
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.679
Yeah, anyway, but it wasn't until recently that I found

664
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:50.880
out that the book One Flew Over the Cucko's Nest

665
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.079
was actually from Chief Perspective. Yeah, it is.

666
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.440
And that's seventy five, by the way, which is a movie,

667
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:00.320
bug nuts, It's a great book. It's a great fuck.

668
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.760
So I've heard from our friends over at Coach Peer's

669
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.199
book club. I mean, I think you've laid out your

670
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:11.239
point of the fact that they they there are other

671
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:17.840
portrayals of mental health that are far more kind and constructive.

672
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.800
Whenever having this discussion, because this the plot of the

673
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.280
episode is that our characters get thrown where the inmates

674
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.880
run the asylum twisted. Ah okay, then what is the

675
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.519
function of that plot? What are we looking at? Star

676
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.599
Trek a typic very often a thematically rich show where

677
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.320
you are taking a look at something a little bit askew,

678
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:47.000
and it's asking questions. This episode feels like it is

679
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.000
asking those very offensive portrayals. You're just being with those

680
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:56.079
characters for forty five to fifty minutes. Yeah, and you are.

681
00:38:56.280 --> 00:39:01.239
You are not really exploring anything, which also, I mean

682
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.840
you reading these are the voyageous season three by Markushman Whossborn. Uh.

683
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.960
You find out that this episode was like good enough

684
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:14.320
whenever they bought it, and they just needed script sure,

685
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.440
and so they were just like, we're so far behind,

686
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.880
we just need something. You know what they should have done.

687
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.239
They should have done. They should have brought back that guy,

688
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.239
and they should have done the American doctor who they

689
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.199
should have just started another episode of that day.

690
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.320
It's been not every new episode of Star Trek can

691
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.440
be a follow up to Assignment Earth it just can't happen.

692
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.280
I want to sign on Earth. I want I want

693
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.960
to now, I want to sign on Earth now. I

694
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:40.440
loved it.

695
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:41.119
I want it.

696
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.920
Sorry, Yes, just the script, It's just a fucking script.

697
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.119
I got you, I got you. It just needs something

698
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:46.760
the time.

699
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.960
Well also because why I make a story about Sulu whatever?

700
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.920
You I mean? So true? Uh, but you also feel

701
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.320
the further that we get into season three, the stories

702
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.920
just get thinner and thinner and thinner and covering other material.

703
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.199
And uh, according to the research, apparently they hadn't even

704
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.320
watched Dagger of the Mind, which is I recall a

705
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:14.559
more interesting episode that's inquiring about the punitive system. Yes,

706
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.079
I the punitive system in general. I'd have to go

707
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:20.960
back and listen to that episode of track Where's again?

708
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.199
Do you hear our insightful thoughts on Dagger of the Mind?

709
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.760
And so you are left so it's not really interrogating anything, Okay,

710
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.199
So then so then what are you left with? Surely

711
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.039
we've got some delicious performances to hang our hat on

712
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:42.360
or something that is. Whenever you remove thematic inquiry, whenever

713
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.440
you remove ideas, then you have to supplant that with like.

714
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:51.760
Relations any kind of relation.

715
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:58.280
Ship, and it's hard for both of those things. Yeah, yeah,

716
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:07.000
and it's I mean, our main characters are basically Garth

717
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.760
and Marda because Kirk and Spock are just kind of

718
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.679
there in holding the entire time, and so they're they're

719
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.679
sidelined and okay, So then if we're functioning within the

720
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:27.840
classic Western storytelling molds that great stories or change, then

721
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.440
what are we exploring with these characters that we are

722
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.079
following And the answer is not really much. And the

723
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.679
performances are I love a great over the top performance,

724
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.039
but as I've said on this podcast before, you never

725
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.800
and I'm stealing this from Nicholas Meyer, director of Star

726
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.639
Trek two, you never want to show them your top

727
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.920
because once you've shown them your top, they see that

728
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:53.519
you've got nowhere else to go.

729
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.840
Yeah, And because it's the equivalent if you can't start

730
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:57.760
at eleven.

731
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:04.960
Yeah, exactly. And Steve nat if he were better directed,

732
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.559
I think could give him more compelling performance because he's

733
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.360
got an outstanding top, but the direction's not there for

734
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.920
him because there's no there's no shape to his performance.

735
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.039
In fact, it has the he has the flow of Yeah,

736
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.000
it's like, well, I will say there the stakes actually

737
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.920
don't feel very high until Marta gets blown up talking

738
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:32.599
about changing.

739
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.840
I will say, we got a clear, clear goal for Garth.

740
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.039
He needs to figure out the answer to Queen's to

741
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.519
Queen's level three. Right, that is one single point in

742
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.719
this episode's favor, very very clear.

743
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:48.760
To be able to see he needs that to be

744
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.400
able to get onto the ship so that they can

745
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.239
know it's Kirk. So he's like, I got to I

746
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.880
got to get this out of Kirk because.

747
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:01.559
Garth can also change. Oh right, another point, Garth just

748
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.960
learned how to be a shape shifter. Yeah, that's that's

749
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:07.880
kind of cool.

750
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.559
That is cool. The story of that is that he

751
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.280
got into like and I guess the origin of his

752
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.199
what will call psychosis also like happened because he got

753
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.360
there was a terrible accident, he was cared for, learned

754
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:26.679
from these I guess, like another species on another planet

755
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:31.679
that was caring for him, how to change they were

756
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.039
doing something else, and he figured out from that how

757
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.599
to do it. But so there is in sight of

758
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.440
that also the origin of where the start is so

759
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.719
it's presumably from like a traumatic experience or had drama

760
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.159
whatever it might be. That he actually went like he

761
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.440
actually he did. I mean, I think the implication here

762
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.639
is that it's not that he had this was like

763
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.719
a part of him that was kind of developing over

764
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.000
time as he because he was a military strategist. And

765
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:00.320
this is actually a point that I do you think

766
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.320
is interesting, which is the idea of the need for

767
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.320
war and horror versus the need for peace and what

768
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.960
the demands are. That is a thematic connection that I

769
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.920
do think is interesting. It's like a nugget. It's a

770
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.320
slight nugget within this badass, bad bad ass of an episode,

771
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.519
not badass of anc but no, what I was gonna

772
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:20.280
say is like, it's it's that I think the implication

773
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.960
is that there was a literal accident that caused us,

774
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.000
which makes you feel even worse.

775
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.840
Well, that's to get back to your point of his backstory,

776
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.519
Revered Fleet Captain. His strategies are required reading at the

777
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.039
required reading at the Academy. He did something at a

778
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:46.280
place called Axon r And then within the episode textually,

779
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.400
Kirk and Garth are having arguments of being like Matt,

780
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:54.880
we got a Garth is like, obviously because he a crazo.

781
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.400
He's a crazo. See you can make that, you can

782
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.000
make that joke because it's funny.

783
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:07.559
Yeah, that's right. Captain Lord Garth is not well, hopefully

784
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:13.239
say crazy, and so he is going we got to

785
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.679
prepare for war, where Warhawks and Kirk gos like, no,

786
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.719
we're exploratory fleet. That's that's what we do. Also laying

787
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.360
out one of the paradoxes inherent within Star Trek is

788
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:28.039
that it's an exploratory, exploratory fleet that also has weapons

789
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:32.360
that can literally, as we have seen, level population.

790
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.599
In a military structure.

791
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.599
And so the easy fix for this episode is that

792
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.119
Garth the Warhawk is a victim of this new mission

793
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.639
of the of Starfleet in the Federation because he's this

794
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.440
dude that as a hero that has reasons are required

795
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.840
readings at the academy, and he went crazy because he

796
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.559
sees the inherent paradox therein you you call yourselves a

797
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.519
benevolent fleet. But he can't reconcile it because he has

798
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.519
let he had blood on his hands.

799
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:06.559
Yeah, he goes, he goes, how on them can't he can't?

800
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.119
How you know? In two thousand and one, what makes

801
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.480
how reactually does is said he has a fundamental inconsistency

802
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:16.599
in his programming, and.

803
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:22.079
So why didn't they just like, it's a hypocrisy, Why

804
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.920
don't you just press the button off and on again?

805
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.199
For Yeah, I mean that's a good point. Yeah, that's

806
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:31.840
exactly what David does. He turns how off.

807
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:33.519
Yeah, but he didn't turn them back and along.

808
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.719
No, I don't think it's the button. Don't you remember

809
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:39.239
the whole scene where he had to go into the thing,

810
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:46.760
then he had to go and then he's like, DAYO,

811
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:52.239
that's his eye. It's not a button. I love that movie.

812
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.079
Okay, two thousand and one, good movie. No one Else

813
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.760
is also a surprisingly good movie. Twenty ten, The Year

814
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.760
We Make Contact. Oh cool, it's just not two thousand

815
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:03.239
and one, but.

816
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.119
It's also a really good movie. Twenty twelve, twenty twelve.

817
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:10.760
I'll take your word on that as well.

818
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:12.760
I don't know I've ever seen it. Just thinking of

819
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.800
movies with movies.

820
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:21.320
With I'm Back, We're Back Defenders a piece.

821
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.719
Yeah, great as we unless we have more to say

822
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.800
in regards to who God's destroy and the possible interesting

823
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:33.760
thing of interrogating a warhawk during peacetime being driven mad

824
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:38.239
by knowing the cost. I think that the strongest amount

825
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.960
of connection we should get into like actually talking about it,

826
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:43.880
about the episode itself and some of the details of it,

827
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:48.559
like how Sakura is so cool, like so cool. There's

828
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.320
one point where they do the defoliator, like because the

829
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.519
way that the defoliator works is they shoot it off

830
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.760
like a rocket and it lands and it just destroys

831
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.400
any living thing so it doesn't affect droids. And a

832
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.480
couple of the Clone Troopers and by the Clone Troopers,

833
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.079
it's like Ret. It's Rex before he was like Commander.

834
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.760
It's Rex in the end the Commander and they're running

835
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.760
and one of them falls and they're like Sikora. And

836
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.480
then they're up in a tree. And when I want

837
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.239
those big trees, sacra like lightsabers through a vine, jumps

838
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.119
down with the lights with the with the vine, swings

839
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.440
picks him up before the you know, the line of

840
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.519
literal fire can get to him and swings him up

841
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.599
in the tree. And it was so cool.

842
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.920
When the Lumire brothers were inventing.

843
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.280
Movies, this is what they were thinking, This is what

844
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.719
they were thinking about.

845
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:48.760
Yes, whenever Benjamin Franklin harnessed the power of electricity, a

846
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.880
thing that I'm sure that he definitely did and didn't

847
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.079
just kind of make that up because he was a drunkie.

848
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:56.639
This is what he was thinking of.

849
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.559
This is what he was thinking about.

850
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.760
When George Washington cut down that cherry tree, because he

851
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.840
definitely did. He definitely did that and then could not

852
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.519
tell a lie. This is what you're.

853
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:17.039
Saying when Christopher Columbus definitely discovered America and made friends

854
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:22.440
with the with the Indians. This is what I was thinking,

855
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:32.480
and me is a race when the Pilgrims had one

856
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:41.760
peaceful dinner with Indians in friendship and fellowship and certainly

857
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.039
not to be used as a cudgel to try and

858
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:51.480
subjugate those that dared defy the majority religion. For hundreds

859
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.199
of years they were thinking of this.

860
00:49:54.119 --> 00:50:01.079
Episode, we go into it.

861
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:08.719
Yeah, it's a banger, uh not just in terms of

862
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:14.039
the action. Choreography is unhinged. At one point, Anakin Skywalker,

863
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.599
you know, our best friend and hero buddy, floods a

864
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.320
droid and then it's just like I'm too tired to

865
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.480
walk over there, swings it over to him and that

866
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:25.960
slices it and it's really cool.

867
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:30.559
There's another part too, where when the Luremans they like

868
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.559
the kind of small contingent of them is like, we

869
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.880
have to fight because the way this has gone down,

870
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.679
they take the battle droids and they tie them all

871
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.199
up and they're in a circle, and then Ahsoka just

872
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.280
goes around in a ring in a circle, just lightsabering

873
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.039
them all. It was cool.

874
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.440
It saves time, you know what takes time fighting these

875
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.000
darn Clone Wars. I've got to think of ways to

876
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.119
kind of uh, you know, your business flow.

877
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.320
Yeah, you gotta like be a disrupt.

878
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.280
Ahsoka has a grind set mindset.

879
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.400
She has no work life balance.

880
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.760
She is the work.

881
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.440
Don't talk to her before she has had her coffee.

882
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:18.280
Don't talk to her before she's had her morning cop Ahsoka,

883
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:27.360
no crumb Sleigh ahauts the house down. So yeah, not

884
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.360
just with dynamine action, but there I literally wrote down,

885
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.159
where is this day feloning?

886
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:35.960
Where's this day?

887
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:40.960
Where is this version of day filoning? Yeah? Because this

888
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:46.119
episode is so rich in examination of what cost peace

889
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.559
and the end is what prevents it from being a

890
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:57.159
didactic mess. Yeah say, okay, so I just listened what

891
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.639
I like to do in order to try and inform

892
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.559
my tape on the Clone Wars because I am a

893
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.039
new to this show. Yeah, I like to listen to

894
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.280
a more civilized age and an incredibly smart read on

895
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.800
these episodes that are looking at this from political standpoints,

896
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:18.360
from philosophical standpoints, from a multitude of standpoints that you

897
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.599
and I are definitely looking at, but they also have

898
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.920
just the the historical knowledge and trying to fit this

899
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:31.400
within what we think that the filmmakers are trying to

900
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.519
say as at least as best as the More Civilized

901
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:40.599
Age podcast, can't they Obviously they're like, yeah, they're they're

902
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.400
using Asian orange and napalm, that that's what the Defoliator is,

903
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:53.119
therefore drawing the Vietnam parallels even even more, and really

904
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:55.159
one of the first things that I've kind of disagreeedled

905
00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:02.800
with them on because I just love how aggressively leftist

906
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.960
they are within reading of Star Wars and also like

907
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:11.679
clearly loving the source material while also interrogating what this

908
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.559
means and being playful with it at the exact same time.

909
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.280
A perfect tone, because you can't take this stuff too

910
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:19.440
seriously or you're going to end up flix the Star

911
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:24.440
Wars Theory YouTube channel a TWERP. Anyways, a More Civilized

912
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.320
eight podcast is looking at this and they're going, well,

913
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:32.880
the metaphor gets muddled because, as the extra text says,

914
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:38.960
as Lucas has said, the Republic is America, the empire

915
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:45.920
is America. Yes, okay, sure, yes, that is very true.

916
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.679
And also and their big criticism with this is that

917
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.480
they're like, well, the occupying force needs to be the

918
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.199
republic and not the separate.

919
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.920
Tests thine, because that's kind of what I was talking

920
00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.280
about at the top here where I was like, oh,

921
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.119
I think this episode is challenging all the things I've

922
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:05.760
been saying interesting or but I think I also I

923
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.880
think there is more nuance to this.

924
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:10.880
Sure, yes, In fact, I think.

925
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.239
The nuance I know you have a thing to say,

926
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.360
Can I just say real quickly, please, I think the

927
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.679
nuance is actually informed by the as I've mentioned many

928
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.280
many times, the Jesse Earl neoliberalism to fascism pipeline. So

929
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.199
but please go on. I would have forgotten.

930
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.199
Actually, can you elaborate on that more? I will. I

931
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.239
will definitely return to my point in regards to the

932
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.320
Jesse Earl kind of the circular model myth story. In

933
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.119
regards to this.

934
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.920
Episode, well, in the well actually, and in regards to

935
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.960
the fact that the Republic is not the empire yet.

936
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:48.639
Yeah yeah, and if like, let's this is perhaps dangerous,

937
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:52.880
but let us apply the concept of that. I mean this,

938
00:54:52.960 --> 00:55:00.280
actually this is it. The neoliberalist agenda and framework is

939
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.320
applied to the Republic. So we are in a state

940
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:08.079
of neoliberalism right now. We have not yet fallen into fascism.

941
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:11.360
We have not yet entered into that space. That space

942
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:12.079
is the empire.

943
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.360
I want an asterisk explicit fascism.

944
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.079
They're still yeah, yes, yeah, there's yeah, there's just.

945
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.679
You know, if you ask Balatinia if he's doing a fascism,

946
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:24.199
you might not necessarily do a fascism, but like there

947
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:29.159
there are fascist overtones that are leering over everything. And

948
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.400
as they say in the More Civilized Age podcast, you

949
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:41.039
are challenging the republics unchallenged supremacy. And all these separtists

950
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.639
have to do is just be like I'm and they're

951
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.239
quoting Osama bin Lauden in regards to this. If they

952
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.639
just start a fight somewhere, they will place a military

953
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.000
base there because they can't have the image of the

954
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.280
Republican challenge. But also this is a show for twelve

955
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:55.719
year olds.

956
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.239
Anyways, Well, I think and I think this is what

957
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.480
I was is actually exactly what I was talking. I'm

958
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.719
glad that I'm not the only one who was thinking

959
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.159
about this as, oh, this is muddeling, this is muddling

960
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:12.920
the metaphor for sure. If we think of the separatists

961
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:17.320
as perhaps in some ways still like providing resources, like

962
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:21.119
you know, being an understandable sort of off like this,

963
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.599
we can see that they might be a viable alternative

964
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.559
if like the Republic is actually doing things for the

965
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.360
look when actually they are doing things out of like

966
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:35.639
a kind of neoliberalist power of like, well, if we

967
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.320
actually move into these spaces to protect you, are we

968
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.159
actually protecting you or we just exerting additional power over

969
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.599
these spaces. That's a big piece of it, right. But

970
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:48.039
I think if we do start to break down the

971
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:55.639
separatist movement as being composed of I'm going to call it,

972
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.559
I mean like almost like sort of like the other

973
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.599
the other side of the coin of this kind of

974
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:10.000
strictly capitalistic powers, which is a theory in and of

975
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.400
itself and an application that is kind of overlaps with neoliberalism.

976
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.320
But you know, you can see it in you know,

977
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.760
what we are doing here is we are literally destroyed,

978
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:25.760
we are defoliating, We are destroying for the purposes of colonization.

979
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.760
So they are themselves colonizers, but in the way that

980
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:37.840
capitalism more explicitly colonizes space and extracts resources, like and

981
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.760
like it's it's the businessmen themselves coming out and their

982
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.519
lawyers and doing the damage as opposed to the more

983
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.760
the more structured sort of like we're hiding behind the

984
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.920
fact that we're actually doing good in our geopolitical context.

985
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:54.719
Does that make sense?

986
00:57:56.480 --> 00:58:01.559
Yes? And I think that notion is encapsulated, encapsulated beautifully

987
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:03.000
by the ending.

988
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.800
Yes, So yeah, tell me about the endings. You really

989
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.800
liked it?

990
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:10.079
It's brilliant, Like what about it?

991
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:11.400
Did you really like? I guess this is what I'm

992
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:12.320
getting at.

993
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:18.880
It's our overseer within the episode episode the leader of

994
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:22.880
the lurement is going, yeah, sure we survived, but really,

995
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:27.280
what do we give up? And it's it's not just

996
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.920
that three republic ships appear overhead.

997
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.239
Yep, the star destroyers yep.

998
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:41.039
And it's the notion of surprise. Unlike unlike the prequels,

999
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.559
unlike the two d Clone Wars, you've gotten to see

1000
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.719
Anakin be a character and these are kind of whereas

1001
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.320
the prequels were constantly yelling, did you know that Anakin's

1002
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.760
going to be Darth Vader one day and the Empire

1003
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:59.360
is coming? Yeah? Clone Wars has been so far for me,

1004
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.679
it is felt a little bit more strategic and deploying

1005
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.920
these things. And this is a beautiful like piece of

1006
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.639
I hope I'm using this correctly. Dramatic irony, Yeah, because

1007
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:17.800
he's h it's he's trying right, he's right, and the

1008
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:25.079
Jedi are and who who really here? The Separatists were

1009
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:33.159
well specifically uh oh boy wrote his name. Lock Dirt

1010
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:37.360
played by George de Kay. Sure, sure, he wants to

1011
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:43.000
test as defoliator and uh, it's it's fun to be evil. Uh,

1012
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:47.000
it's cathartic to be evil. Uh. Ask people that were

1013
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:52.400
torching villages in Vietnam. Uh, they they were achieving something, granted,

1014
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:56.360
then it asks questions of droid personhood. But also Lock

1015
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:57.840
Dirt enjoys being evil.

1016
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.760
It is well he and he wants and he wants

1017
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:05.760
more power. Yes, that's also torching villages and hurting people

1018
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.119
and killing them its power.

1019
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:14.559
Yeah, sure, yeah, it's it's fun for it's fun for

1020
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.559
him to be evil. Uh, And then the Republic is

1021
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:23.679
functioning within the confines the Jedi are functionings, and some

1022
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:28.679
of them believe that they're fighting for that notion of peace. Yeah,

1023
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:33.079
but because and this is also the brilliant stroke of

1024
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:41.280
individuals that are functioning within a corrupted system, and that

1025
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:45.440
can also be dicey because within the modern reading of this,

1026
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.199
but not necessarily within the context of this though, as

1027
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.760
we've talked about at length, they are introducing the notion

1028
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.599
of gray within who these Jedi characters are. But they're

1029
01:00:55.639 --> 01:01:00.639
still kind of straightforward heroes mostly mostly Yeah, so much

1030
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.639
so are they straightforward heroes here in this episode? And

1031
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:09.400
then you pull out and we understand that the Jedi

1032
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.719
can't function within the Republic, their system can't function within

1033
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.199
the Republic because something so bad is going on that

1034
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.920
they literally can't use their sick awesome Jedi powers. So

1035
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.119
what separates them from being a Senate commandough that would

1036
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:27.880
make that Jedis are blindly serving without interrogating these notions,

1037
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:34.639
defending the neoliberal status quo. If I'm using that notion correctly,

1038
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:41.400
and that ending shot is a perfect encapsulation of it's

1039
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:45.960
they they still they still are pulling an imperialism, even

1040
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.679
if it has the mask of benevolence right on it.

1041
01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.920
And also, I mean the metaphor gets muddied by the

1042
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.199
fact that we don't know that if Dick Cheney was

1043
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:02.320
funding both the United Dates war efforts as well as

1044
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:08.960
the Taliban war efforts or or I mean using that

1045
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:13.559
I Rocky insurgency war effort. But it serves great as

1046
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:19.360
a symbol of that ruling class because ultimately, both as

1047
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.719
we talked about in our last episode, in the Jedi

1048
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:26.360
Crash episode, ultimately it is it is not an actual

1049
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:31.480
war of ideals. It's it's a simulation of a war,

1050
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:39.360
and they're using their their they're fighting because right because

1051
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.360
the tax could make it a little bit clearer that

1052
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:50.679
out of rim systems feel excluded from the Republic there

1053
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.199
and they feel beholden to be operating within the Republic

1054
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:56.599
and that they think that the Republic is a little

1055
01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:00.320
bit out of touch. Yeah, and so they are doing this.

1056
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.960
Those are those are good ideals, and we're starting to

1057
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.599
see them in Clone Wars. But within the movies wasn't

1058
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:14.039
really articulated because it was busy with other things, and

1059
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.599
Lucas was wanting to well, specifically with episode one, where

1060
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:19.400
it feels like Lucas was just wanted to like do

1061
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:20.920
its adventure, I.

1062
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.480
Just wanted to do a Star Wars, which is fun.

1063
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.519
Fine, Yeah, I mean this is just such a textually

1064
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:32.400
rich episode and it is the sure yeah, okay, well

1065
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:35.920
your metaphors muddy, but also that's extra textual analysis as

1066
01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:39.159
opposed to looking at the episode for what it is,

1067
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:42.559
and I think the metaphors still pretty darn clear. As

1068
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:47.000
an occupying force and you have to fight the occupying force,

1069
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:51.159
what does it mean to actually be a pacifist? What

1070
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:55.320
does it mean to practice non violence? Is being non

1071
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.599
violent a coward? And also I think there is an

1072
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.519
actual nobility that the Jedi are just like, y'all keep

1073
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.400
doing what you're doing. I'm going to go fight for you.

1074
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.239
You don't have to join me. That's that's a key

1075
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:13.719
difference that I really vibed with because they see it. Yeah,

1076
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:17.239
and even though Ahsoka and Rex called them out for

1077
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.719
being cowardly, I think last episode, in this episode, oh,

1078
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.639
in this episode, I mean that's.

1079
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:25.159
A yeah, pretty classic. Well that's that's what I meant

1080
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.719
by that's real diplomacy and negotiation, right, is you are

1081
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:35.599
like actually listening to the needs and desires of individuals

1082
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.159
in a community instead of just deciding what is best

1083
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:43.719
for them. It is a deeply difficult thing to be, Like,

1084
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:45.880
like if you were to literally have people do what

1085
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.119
they did with the Luremans did, which is say no,

1086
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.679
we're not going to fight, we're not going to defend whatever,

1087
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.039
and then you know for a fact they're about to

1088
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.519
get slaughtered. Like the choice that they made and the

1089
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.519
choice of do make for folks who haven't seen it,

1090
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:06.039
is that they get they they're able to steal some

1091
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:10.440
shield generators and they set up a strategy and they're like,

1092
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.960
you don't have to fight, We're just going to defend you.

1093
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:17.000
And then once we've gotten the strategy of sort of

1094
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.400
like having them use that and we can pull them in,

1095
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.639
we will defend you. You don't have to fight.

1096
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:28.679
And then Anakin says, what ask, let us do this

1097
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.679
for you, right something along something along those lines that's

1098
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.440
much better written and not paaraphrase off the top of

1099
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.719
my head. It's it is so compelling.

1100
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.440
Yeah, and I and I just feel like, ultimately because

1101
01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:45.639
the curs says that I think anakins like, we can't

1102
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.920
make them fight. We can't make them do anything. No,

1103
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:54.920
like and I think it, And that's a fundamentally respectful perspective.

1104
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.800
People are willing to die rather than raise arms? Why

1105
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:04.280
why is that cowardly? Whenever they are that, let go

1106
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.440
of their egos and still firm and their belief. Yeah,

1107
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:10.320
but I you know this, well maybe they haven't necessarily

1108
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:16.000
like their ego of the darn thing does still kind

1109
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:16.559
of see it?

1110
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.159
This does that? This Okay, this leads to some other

1111
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:25.760
kind of like big big thoughts, which is sort of

1112
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:30.559
like I think something that star Trek's fundamental sort of

1113
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:35.519
like thematic clash like brings to light too, which is

1114
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:40.280
like the inevitability of conflict, but like is it truly inevitable?

1115
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:43.880
And like even in a we talked about this funny,

1116
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:47.719
even in a society that presumes like a utopia, there

1117
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:52.679
is still inevitable conflict. There's still inevitable war or uh

1118
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:58.559
war just as a concept. I don't know it. I

1119
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:04.559
think I too would like, I mean, I think modern

1120
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:12.599
conflict is often it is it's kind of generated by

1121
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:19.199
means of you know, like made up boundaries and ethno

1122
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:25.320
estates and people seeking power and money grabbing and resources

1123
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.519
and marginalization of others. Like that's modern war, right.

1124
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.840
That's just wars that are based in nations, and exactly

1125
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:35.719
right to talk about corporate war, right.

1126
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:38.079
And I and you know, of course, like historically, I

1127
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.760
mean some like a lot of similarities. And so I

1128
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:45.280
can't you know, it's it's a real horror to to say,

1129
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.280
to take that. Do you ever watch or play Fallout?

1130
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:51.119
Watch the Fallout show?

1131
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.079
No, I don't play video games, and well the show

1132
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:58.079
is really really good. I watch TV and it yeah.

1133
01:07:58.199 --> 01:07:58.239
No.

1134
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.159
Famously, only films, movie.

1135
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:05.079
Films, pillums, there is a I.

1136
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:11.360
Know what what I like about movies everything. There's twenty

1137
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.840
four frames a second.

1138
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.399
All twenty four frames every single second.

1139
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:19.239
Every single or twenty three point nine to seven six

1140
01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:23.479
or twenty five if I'm across the pond, gov bit

1141
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:28.439
bi bit bipe bit, Oh, twenty five frames, isn't it? Oh?

1142
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:29.720
Why? Why?

1143
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.680
I don't quite know. It's just the way it is.

1144
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.439
Rad there's just a bit there's you know, ultimately, Fallout

1145
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:46.720
is about It's about corporate and capitalistic interest crafting off

1146
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.439
of the you know, the perpetuation of war, because war

1147
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:51.840
is always inevitable, and there's a kind of hard to

1148
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:57.199
that of, you know, because I think you could could

1149
01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.960
you perceive a like a current modern world in which

1150
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.399
which like that wouldn't like that so many things are

1151
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:07.319
fueled by that, right, so many wars and so much bloodshed,

1152
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:10.039
not everywhere and all the time. It's a huge reduction

1153
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.119
in generalization. I know there's a lot to this, but.

1154
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.600
Well, now now I'm just thinking about just to blow

1155
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:18.800
it up even more because we're talking about well, you

1156
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:22.119
mentioned about how Star Trek posits that that conflict is

1157
01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:25.560
inevitable even if it's at the other end of a

1158
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:31.439
benevolent space nation. Yeah, that is still going around and

1159
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.439
still getting in fights or whatnot. But that's also to

1160
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:39.439
continue to couple it in with Jesse Earle's fantastic Mono

1161
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:44.319
myth video and the perpetuation of the hero's journey, and

1162
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.359
the fact that in order for Westman storytelling to exist

1163
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:51.000
and within franchises to exist, the status quote keeps needing

1164
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:54.279
to reset to some sort of new conflict. And it

1165
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.000
reminds me here we go ask then of I think

1166
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:01.800
it's the season five episode of Community, second to last

1167
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:05.640
episode where they were like, did we fix everything about Greendale?

1168
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.600
And then they have that existential crisis, and then the

1169
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.520
camera just kind of like pulls out and then just

1170
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:16.079
kind of looks down an empty hallway. Yeah, and then

1171
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:21.439
just starts cutting around places in Greendale because like there's

1172
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.079
no more problems. Yeah, basically begging you to be like,

1173
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:30.479
this is what TV would be like without conflict, without problems.

1174
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.640
But I can't remember that super well do you remember that?

1175
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:37.319
But do they panic? And like it's because now it's like,

1176
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:38.079
what's the point?

1177
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:42.359
Uh, subway comes in and it threatens to close the school,

1178
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.920
So conflict happens, right exactly? I don't. It's also been

1179
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:47.720
a hot minute. I need to rewatch.

1180
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.960
Community because I have this, I have this feeling of like,

1181
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:55.319
without there being a conflict, it's you know, there's yeah,

1182
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:59.880
with community, it's of course that it's always the metast

1183
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.680
but also it's like we can't function without there being

1184
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:05.960
a problem or something to fix.

1185
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:11.720
And our learning, well at least at the beginning of it,

1186
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.920
are both a going we can exist, we can't. I've

1187
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.439
been existing. We don't need your war here.

1188
01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:24.319
Outside Yeah, outside of the bounds of both the internal

1189
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:29.600
storytelling and also the external like meta narrative of what

1190
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:36.159
we do in shows and film. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, there's

1191
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:42.920
like a sort of inevitability in both, like there's always

1192
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:49.119
going to be more and you know, I mean I

1193
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:53.640
would really love like what does it mean like this

1194
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.800
this idea of like is this something like there's is

1195
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:02.319
there a need for this for conflict again, not just

1196
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:04.760
for the storytelling, but for like the actual functioning of

1197
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:05.800
people and characters.

1198
01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:09.319
No, you and I both know the answer is no.

1199
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.000
But I think within the society and the way that

1200
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:14.760
everything is set up, absolutely, and it's going to and

1201
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.279
then it's going to keeping.

1202
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:21.880
Because achieving achieving goals is a disruption of norms, right,

1203
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:25.800
you have not you do not possess this goal. Therefore

1204
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.960
you will do things to achieve it that requires effort,

1205
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.119
that requires displacement of resources.

1206
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:36.640
And I guess, yeah, there's always going to be a power,

1207
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.520
desire for power, And however that looks, however it is disguised,

1208
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:46.239
it will still be that. Just it just looks different

1209
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:51.840
in different ages and eras, different contexts.

1210
01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:54.600
But did you like that Garth was loud? Though?

1211
01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:56.920
Let's tell you what I did.

1212
01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:58.119
Like here we go.

1213
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:05.399
When he is pretending to be Spock after Marda tried

1214
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:10.239
to stab Kirk. He says Aspock, she's worked out an

1215
01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:16.119
infallible method for ensuring male fidelity, which is very funny

1216
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:21.399
that you just kill him. Also later he says to Kirk,

1217
01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:25.239
you could serve as human sacrifice for the ceremony, and

1218
01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.760
Kirk just looks because the whole episode has just been

1219
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:33.000
like what, And in that moment he just goes, No,

1220
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:38.640
I wouldn't enjoy that had at all. It's just so funny.

1221
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:40.319
It was genuinely funny to me.

1222
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:44.680
You know what else that you would probably enjoy what.

1223
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:51.680
A long time ago started dating? This week, I quoted

1224
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:55.520
a boat, I dated a game, but none of them

1225
01:13:55.600 --> 01:14:02.560
could work my drive into hyper space. The best of

1226
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:10.479
both worlds kept meet in the second place. Captain slog

1227
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.319
on a Holla kron. I wanted a song. I penned

1228
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:20.560
a song. Seventeen more minutes advise in Super High dev

1229
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:31.800
aboard the USS Enterprise dt F. Don't you take my

1230
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.840
walk lighter and clip it. Don't you take my wretchird

1231
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:40.399
buddy and nd bit. If you spill the tea, I'm gonna.

1232
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:44.239
Sip it my starship it. What do we doing?

1233
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.520
Ah naming our favorite starships? That starship to this guy

1234
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:54.399
and starships that are ship and chipping relationships. Do you

1235
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:56.960
know how often decide this being something that I want

1236
01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.199
to do? And I started, I forget.

1237
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:09.680
Find a ship asp Dan Webster, it's Humilie, right, yeah,

1238
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:12.159
could be if you wanted it to be. Could be

1239
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.560
texting what your middle name is. I don't want to say, yeah, okay,

1240
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:19.079
don't need to know it.

1241
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:22.159
I'll set you right now. I did it. I texted you.

1242
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:30.479
Do you like it's close? It's got five letters. They

1243
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:31.279
both have vowelves.

1244
01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:35.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you go first.

1245
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:40.199
Oh, dear, we'll start with our we'll start starships of course,

1246
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:45.039
the big Honk and eight ship that the Separatists fly

1247
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:51.560
their droids down. Oh, it was so big, which look,

1248
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:56.359
it's an iconic ship from the Phantom Menace, their troop carriers.

1249
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:58.279
Oh, I'm thinking of later when they set up a

1250
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:00.960
whole big structure. Is that what I'm thinking of? Probably

1251
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:02.840
because they have it, because it's like they've got the

1252
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:04.760
ship itself, and you're like, cool, we'll go up. And

1253
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.479
then later on they're like looking out there and they're like,

1254
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:09.159
that's like they've set up a whole military compound. And

1255
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.359
I was like is that is that another giant that

1256
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:12.800
must be like a bigger ship.

1257
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:17.680
My wrong, I don't recall I've only seen the episode once,

1258
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:20.000
and this is one of your favorite TV shows. I'm

1259
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:25.640
gonna have to ask you to provide your own clarifying whoa, whoa,

1260
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.600
So sorry. I know that I own Star Wars the

1261
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.359
Clone Wars season one on digipak, but there are limits

1262
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:35.479
of my knowledge unfortunately. Anyways, the Big eight Ship was

1263
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:38.159
thinking about this because one of the just the delightful

1264
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:42.000
things and the thing that I just enjoy about great

1265
01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:46.640
starship design in general. I subscribed to the Rick Berman

1266
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.439
thought of designing spaceships, and I'm sure other people too

1267
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.159
make it to where like a twelve or thirteen year

1268
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.319
old can be able to draw this thing and one

1269
01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:58.960
of the great things that and iconic things about the

1270
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:03.000
silhouettes of Star Wars, like great Star warships, the Millennium Falcon,

1271
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:04.920
the X Wing, the Tie Fighter, they have very clear

1272
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:10.960
shape that you can draw. Guest Star similarly the Trade

1273
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:12.960
Federation ship. It's like a death Star, but with a

1274
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:19.680
doughnut around it. Also like the Naboo, the Queen's Naboo Cruiser,

1275
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:23.359
just just like an SR seventy one Blackbird the Naboo

1276
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:26.640
star Fighters looks great. Pod racers kind of gets a

1277
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:30.920
little bit more difficult, a little busy, but still got

1278
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.880
the pod and two engines. Similarly, you got the big

1279
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:37.079
eight ship. It's a big H. You got your X wings,

1280
01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.399
you got your Y wings, you got your H ship.

1281
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:47.960
This is the ship that you're talking about, right, Yes, okay, sweet,

1282
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:50.760
that ship is so cool. It's so cool.

1283
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:52.640
It's just a cool, big H.

1284
01:17:53.880 --> 01:18:05.119
It's fantastic, fantastic. Yeah, you're fantastic, thank you. Uh oh,

1285
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:10.279
I didn't prop I was so busy being annoyed. Let

1286
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:13.399
me think, there aren't really any ships in the There

1287
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.720
aren't really any ships in Star Trek episode.

1288
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:21.800
Huh Nope, there's like zero. Oh, so there's the Enterprise.

1289
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:23.199
That's that's it.

1290
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.399
That's it. We just have the Enterprise as per usual.

1291
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:29.960
I'm gonna go I'm gonna be a little stinger. I'm

1292
01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:34.920
gonna say it's uh Sakura because she's a vehicle for

1293
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:45.640
rescuing a clone trooper the Vine. Listen, I'm tired.

1294
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:46.960
I'm tired too.

1295
01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:48.199
I'm tired.

1296
01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:49.079
I'm tired.

1297
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:51.640
You did take the really cool ship though.

1298
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:58.439
There there's a Trade Federation tank with a big honking

1299
01:18:58.479 --> 01:18:59.159
cannon on it.

1300
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.079
That was sing about one too. I really liked that one.

1301
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:04.720
But I think a vine is funny.

1302
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:06.840
Vine.

1303
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.399
Yeah, the they have a bunch of Really we didn't

1304
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.520
even talk about George.

1305
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:21.800
We no another thing. Yeah, what I mean, he's having

1306
01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.720
a he's just having a great possibly more lines in

1307
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.640
this one episode than possibly all of his episodes and

1308
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.199
all of his appearances, and see the three put together

1309
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:31.760
in this one episode.

1310
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:32.960
It's fantastic.

1311
01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:36.079
It's it's it's a very delicious performance.

1312
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:39.439
The design of the Nimoidian, who they talk about on

1313
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:43.960
the follow rezoning, is like, you know, there's it's it's

1314
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:45.960
a third design that they make. And there's another one

1315
01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:47.960
in a character that'll show up later that looks a

1316
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:50.359
lot like new Gun Ray. So they went with a

1317
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:55.279
different shape. And he's a jubby guy.

1318
01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:56.960
He is a big boy.

1319
01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.920
He's a big bo the big hat. It actually took

1320
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:03.079
me a couple of lines in to realize it was

1321
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:05.359
George d Kay and I just got really I got

1322
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:08.279
really excited, and I yeah, he's having such a good time.

1323
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:13.039
He's truly having a like he's doing that, he's doing

1324
01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:15.239
the like chew the scene work kind of thing. As

1325
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:18.399
a voice actor, I just think it's fantastic lock dirt.

1326
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:21.199
Not to be confused as I did during the episode

1327
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:23.880
with Lot Dodd, another voiding character.

1328
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.800
Yeah, or confused with block Turd, which is what I thought.

1329
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.800
They can't say, which.

1330
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:34.920
Is wild and a lot Dodd was named after the

1331
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:38.000
then GOP Senate leader in nineteen ninety seven, Trent lot

1332
01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:41.479
An attempt to directly connect the Trade Federation's characterization of

1333
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:44.439
Motus with that of the Republican Revolution that occurred in

1334
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:45.520
nineteen ninety four.

1335
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:52.399
Yeap, that is neoliberalism too hardcore? Is that is? Because

1336
01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:54.880
that's where it started to kind of you know, get

1337
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.720
the contraction and then it reaches its sort of apex

1338
01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:03.239
with uh, you know, a rock and Afghanistan like it's

1339
01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:09.079
it's full execution through Cheney and anyway a fun times.

1340
01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:13.920
Speaking of apex relationships, Uh, you know you know that

1341
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:18.039
Garth and Marta hooked up? Yeah? I guess what do

1342
01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:18.840
you mean you guess?

1343
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.880
I mean they definitely did. He blew her up? But

1344
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.359
also this is a good ship because ships don't always

1345
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:26.000
have to be nice.

1346
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:32.039
No. In fact that you know that they banged had

1347
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.359
a good time, and Garth was like done, I'm done.

1348
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:38.880
I know what everything looks like now I never need

1349
01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:42.800
to care about anything ever again, ch I don't mind.

1350
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:45.479
Men are gross. I am gross.

1351
01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:50.399
Okay, I don't know if that's hopeful. He the character

1352
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:51.840
is very very gross.

1353
01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:55.239
Yeah, does that strikes an in character thing that would

1354
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:59.600
happen with Garth of Isyazar, famed captain hero of Accnar. Yeah,

1355
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:03.720
you're treacherous cow.

1356
01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:07.439
It's really funny though.

1357
01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:11.520
Oh that's why Gartha byes are impression. It just sounds

1358
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:17.760
like uh, one of the Monty Python guys doing a lady.

1359
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:25.640
Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. That was like kind of

1360
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:28.920
my one because I'm feeling because I feel like we've

1361
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:31.079
done Kirk and Kirk before, right.

1362
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:40.319
Asphen I don't think so okay.

1363
01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:52.279
During Kirk and Kirk, Kirk and Gartha's Kirk fantastic real real,

1364
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:58.000
like specifically Gartha's Kirk, not just Garth and Kirk, Like

1365
01:22:58.039 --> 01:22:59.960
it's when he looks like him, because there's a whole

1366
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.439
Oh yeah, again, once again we need to talk about

1367
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.399
this where there's this whole like stupid moment at the

1368
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.600
end wrisk box like they do the whole like there's

1369
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:11.760
two of them, and it's like, Spop, I'm the real captain, right,

1370
01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:16.039
You could literally ask any fucking question, like anything at all,

1371
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:18.520
Like that isn't the question he asked, and like you

1372
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:20.439
could get an answer. It could be like what did

1373
01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:23.239
I like tell you yesterday morning about like my favorite

1374
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.560
you know what I mean? Like you could have said anything,

1375
01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:28.800
and instead he just like lets them go at it.

1376
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:30.960
And what did I make you for breakfast this morning

1377
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:32.439
because we slept because.

1378
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.840
We slept together. Yeah, it could be anything, and like

1379
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:38.960
he's just like, what what's the maneuver we used in

1380
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.640
this fight? And he like says one, and then real

1381
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:46.279
Kirk is like maybe real Kirk maybe not like and

1382
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:48.159
it's just like you know that that's like a very

1383
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.600
common one. It's just like, yeah, ask a different question.

1384
01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.079
It's so stupid. And later and then they get to

1385
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:55.680
a fight and eats one of that's the whole thing.

1386
01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:57.720
And later when he's like why didn't you and he's like, well,

1387
01:23:57.760 --> 01:23:59.319
I was just gonna like wait it out and see,

1388
01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:03.399
she's like what the fuck? Anyway, while they're fighting, it's

1389
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:07.439
actually a very impressive like fight scene, like truly with

1390
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:11.640
it being two Kirks it's actually probably that and Marty

1391
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:13.640
getting blown up are the two surprising things in the

1392
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.239
episode where I was like, oh, okay, something's happening.

1393
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:17.680
I don't know.

1394
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:21.159
It's pretty sexy, that's all. That's what I'm getting at. Sexy,

1395
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:23.640
sexy cool.

1396
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:24.800
You know what else is sexy?

1397
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:28.239
Rating things because they are objective.

1398
01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:33.439
Nomberds, No umbers, dude, going back to the central conceit

1399
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:35.560
of this podcast, which is better Star Trek or Star

1400
01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:37.960
Wars by putting a numerical value from zero to ten

1401
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:43.760
on both of these episodes, to finally, without any bias,

1402
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.399
without any of these pesky emotions getting in the way,

1403
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:52.039
It's about cold, hard data. So let's supply our emotional

1404
01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:55.840
rankings for these again. The episodes Whom Gods Destroy from

1405
01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:58.399
Star Trek the Original Series, Season three versus Defenders of

1406
01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:03.000
Piece from Our Worst The Clone Wars Volume one. I

1407
01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:06.600
will go first, and I will start with Defense. No,

1408
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:09.039
I'll start with whom God's destroy and I will rank

1409
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:18.479
whom God's destroyed a sleepy four points zero yeah, four, sleepy, sleepy, sleepy, sleepy, sleepy.

1410
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:21.960
I wish the performer that was, I wish the episode

1411
01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:23.880
was better written and I think the actor that was

1412
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:27.319
playing Garth could have been great if it was just

1413
01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:30.640
had a better structure to the whole darn thing, because

1414
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:33.840
the thing starts off emotionally at an eleven and stays there,

1415
01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:35.720
and that's really frustrating.

1416
01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:39.159
I think probably the same for the actor for Marta too, Mike.

1417
01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:43.760
You can tell Yvonne Craig good. Yvon Craig, who famously

1418
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.880
played Batgirl in season three of the Adam West Batman Show.

1419
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:49.119
I was so, I was not far off, and I

1420
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:54.560
was like calling forth Joker and Harley Quinn vibes. Nope,

1421
01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:55.560
that's wild.

1422
01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:57.720
Actually, so Harley Quinn didn't exist.

1423
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:01.600
I know that, Kenny, just.

1424
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:03.520
To be a boy about it and tell you and

1425
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:05.479
accuse you of not knowing comics?

1426
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:10.159
Didn't she first appear in the Batman TV show that

1427
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.039
I loved growing up? Was that the first time she

1428
01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:12.640
showed up?

1429
01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:13.000
Yeah?

1430
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:17.000
One written by the same guy who writes Who's to

1431
01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:21.119
write for? He walks? And also that Clone Wars episode?

1432
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:24.640
Yeah, Paul, that's right.

1433
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:28.960
I did it. Thanks. I'm glad I could prove myself

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01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:29.359
to you.

1435
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.880
Uh sure, yeah, you know that one fact. But do

1436
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:33.960
you actually recomment?

1437
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:41.319
No, I don't sorry, Okay, yes, so I also going

1438
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:43.159
to give it a four because nope, I'm gonna give

1439
01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.560
it like a three point eight because at point to

1440
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.119
say it, that's that's me being that's me doing a

1441
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.760
spight ranking. It's both bad and a spy ranking excellent.

1442
01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:55.600
I hate tore it. That makes Whom God's Destroy a

1443
01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.239
robust three point nine, but it's still anyone's game. Who

1444
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.279
is how we feel about these superb defenders at piece.

1445
01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:03.479
What a great episode.

1446
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:06.359
Maybe there was something in here that you found offensive

1447
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:08.319
and you're gonna spite rank it. I don't know.

1448
01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:13.600
I mean there you could talk about the fat phobia

1449
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.560
that's involved with LOCKDRD, and I think a more civilized

1450
01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:22.439
age brings up some great points about uh Niemoidian depiction

1451
01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:28.640
and casting George ta Kay as a flamboyant, overweight Niemoidian.

1452
01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:35.600
But I you know what, I dug the heck out

1453
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:35.800
of it.

1454
01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:40.479
Actually had a thought where I was like, Linimoidians are

1455
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.079
like they historically have had such an offensive Asian, like

1456
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:50.000
weird Asian accent. It almost felt like it was like

1457
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:53.560
making up for that to be like, hey, let's cast

1458
01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.640
an actual Asian actor, yeah and have him to speak

1459
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:57.800
the way he speaks normally.

1460
01:27:57.800 --> 01:27:59.920
I think to be to say that it's offensive bea

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01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.199
because George de Kay is playing a lock. Dirt is

1462
01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:06.079
taking agency away from George de Kay. Possibly he made

1463
01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:08.479
a choice. It's not like the dude has to do

1464
01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:09.279
Star Wars.

1465
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.920
No, you can say no, he's the guy's got he's fine.

1466
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:16.239
Yeah, you know what else is fine? Defenders of Peace.

1467
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:17.720
I'm giving this one a nine.

1468
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:19.600
Wow.

1469
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:22.880
I adore this episode. I think it's so thematically rich.

1470
01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:26.520
I think the action is superb. I think it is

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01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:29.319
asking a lot of good questions, raising even more questions,

1472
01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:33.760
and ends the episode on a pointed question of who

1473
01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:39.680
who Who are the real defenders of Peace? Although I

1474
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:42.439
think by having that ending it comes down on a

1475
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.520
conclusive answer for me, but also it could be left

1476
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:49.560
up to interpretation. What is great also is that you

1477
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:51.800
can have different readings of this episode. You can think

1478
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:55.600
that the metaphors are muddied because the extratextual evidence has

1479
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.000
been clear, and at the same time, whenever you are

1480
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:01.560
interrogating those metaphors, it can bring up new readings in

1481
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:05.720
the text, and that makes it a really wonderful piece

1482
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:08.119
of Star Wars for me. This is this is what

1483
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:10.399
I love. This is what I love whenever I can

1484
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:14.239
keep thinking about something afterwards and can get the passionate

1485
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:17.479
conversations about what the heck does this mean? What does

1486
01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:20.319
this mean to me? What is this saying? Yeah, it's

1487
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:25.000
it's outstanding. It stands up there with Asha from Ewoks

1488
01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:25.359
for me.

1489
01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:30.840
Well, that was a good episode, such a surprise.

1490
01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:34.399
I'm but it's still anyone's game.

1491
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:37.359
If I gave the other one three point eight, I'll

1492
01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:38.479
give us one eight point three.

1493
01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:43.840
Interesting. I am more bullet tronic this week's Clone Wars

1494
01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:44.359
than you are.

1495
01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:50.439
Yeah, I mean I still really really love it and

1496
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:54.600
leave all of it a space because I uh and

1497
01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:02.000
there's is more more to to play, spaces to go. Yeah, No,

1498
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:03.520
I mean it's an extraordinary episode.

1499
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.880
I don't think so extraordinary episode, So uh you know

1500
01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:12.520
what else is extraordinary? Asthen Yeah, I take my hat off,

1501
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:15.880
hat in hand and I say, Star Wars, when's the week?

1502
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:20.600
Thank you? I'd like to thank god.

1503
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:27.479
That is many weeks at this point where Star Wars

1504
01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.119
has been winning handily. I think we have to go

1505
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:30.960
back one.

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01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:40.000
Two, three, four, five, six, seven episodes. This is the

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The York, The Age of Man is in the Age

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01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:45.640
of the York has begun.

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That's the kind of folks that we are. Aspen, thank

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1536
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