Aug. 23, 2024

Wink of an Eye vs. Dooku Captured

Wink of an Eye vs. Dooku Captured

This week, the Scalosians fight to survive by **checks notes**  freezing the Enterprise. Also, Anakin and Obi-Wan lift a bunch of rocks!

Kenny brings up Ahsoka's role as caretaker in this week's episode of Clone Wars. And Aspen just really vibes...

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Season 1

This week, the Scalosians fight to survive by **checks notes** freezing the Enterprise. Also, Anakin and Obi-Wan lift a bunch of rocks!

Kenny brings up Ahsoka's role as caretaker in this week's episode of Clone Wars. And Aspen just really vibes with Wink of an Eye.

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Welcome to the Track Wars podcast, the one podcast that

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dares to answer the most important question in fandom, which

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is better Star Wars or Star Trek by going through

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both franchises in chronological release order. I am Kenny Madison,

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the Star Trek contingent with me, Asper always.

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Is Aspen Webster the Star and if he's contingent.

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If you think that I'm rushing through this intro, you

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might not necessarily be alone as we talk about the

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really fast episode Wink of an Eye from Star Trek

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the Original series season three versus Good captured from Star

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Wars the Clone Wars season one.

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Kenny, Yeah, Hi, Hi, you're back.

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I forgot to I forgot to sit down and write

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my list of a whole bunch of implausible physics questions

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in regarding to Wink of an Eye. I don't not

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there ca, Yeah, I don't care either.

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Yeah, okay. I was like reading some we'll get into it,

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but I was reading I was reading some reviews of

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this episode. Every review is preoccupied by the quote block

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holes and the science of the thing, and I'm like, hey,

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I gotta tell you a secret. I don't give a fuck.

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When when does the science ever actually worked.

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It just happened.

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Get over it.

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It was why do things happen? They just they just happened.

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Already attacking the logic within wink of an eye, and

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we haven't even told people that are playing the home game.

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No I'm not. I'm not even attacking the logic. I'm

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attacking other.

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People becking the lot.

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I'm I'm I'm attacking the logic of people preoccupied by

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the logic. My my, My argument to them is what

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who's to say? Who cares? I've watched a lot of

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Weird Ship. I watched an episode where they went through

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a portal into the past multiple times, and I gotta

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tell you, was anyone ever like, wow, I got the

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science of this portal? You know what I mean? Like,

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calm down, it's fine, everything's fine. It wasn't It wasn't

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a bad episode. It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad.

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Yeah. No, I like to I like both.

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Of these episodes because it's because I like emotionality in things,

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and I like people wanting things, and I like a

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I like a plot that chugs along with some feelings involved.

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So just took a chu youling.

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So, speaking of chugging along, Aswen, would you be so

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kind as to give us the synopsis for this week's

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episode of the.

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Clone Wars Star Wars Clone Wars. Duke Get Captured. January two,

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two thousand and nine was when this was released. Uh,

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and it was directed by Jesse Yeah's.

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Name, I really hope so, Aspen, you are the Star

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Wars contingent.

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Would bet there are a lot of directors kenn of

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Jesse Yeah. And then the writers of course, Henry Gilroy

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Scott Murphy's supervising writer Julie See is the writer Sue

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Beautiful Grouping of the People and the what Is It About?

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Written by the TV archaeologist on IMDb Obi Wan and

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Anakin infiltrate Count Dooku's frigate in an attempt to capture him,

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but all three end up crash landing on the planet

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bank or instead. While the Jedi are busy fighting a

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mother gun dark Hahahaduku falls into the hands of a

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pirate gang led by hondo Onaka, the pirate chief, and

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offers Duku up for ransom to their public or to

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the sup participantver We'll give them more in exchange for

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a million credits worth of spice.

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Rat episodes. I gotta say yeah, I gotta say yeah,

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the spice must blow.

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Sure, sure should it? Sure does. I like any time

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that there are talks of spice moving spice in Star

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Wars universe because I like anything that gets outside of

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kind of your classic bad days. So I like it

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when there are like syndicate leaders, this is drug running.

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I think that's like kind of got some fascinating implications

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you get into, like I know, because it's like a

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weird way that kind of the economics of these sort

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of like black market economy, like how this works within

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the galaxy. And of course when you have any of these,

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it's funny to see, like even like under the Republic

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and then later under the Empire, these systems exist. You

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have you have these like the huts, and you have

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these other kind of heads of power in these unofficial ways.

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What does that look like? I always like it. I

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was like it, and I like that there are pirates

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and I love Hondo. This, by the way, is the

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first appearance of Hondo.

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First appearance of Honda.

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We love Hondo. He's a little stinker, he's an ass,

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but we love that.

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That's not all we love. We also love Star Trek.

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We also do, including wink of a nine if my

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spreadsheet is to be believed. The sixty sixth episode of

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Star Trek the original series, first aired November twenty ninth,

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nineteen sixty eight. Directed by Judd Taylor. Story by Lee

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cronin Who's that? Who's that?

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Who is that?

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And tell? A play by Arthur.

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Who's but Who's that?

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Lee Cronan also known as gene Kun And this is

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this is There's some interesting stuff that happens behind the scenes,

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like slightly interesting this week from TV Guide first November

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twenty third, nineteen sixty eight. Ish you the synopsis. The

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Enterprise is invaded by invisible beings living at a fantastic tempo.

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The invaders are using the crew to continue their species,

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but their method renders human susceptible to sell damage, rapid

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aging and quick death. Okay, cool, I guess like poetry

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so that they rhyme. If you're thinking that the Star

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Trek synopsis seems a little anemic, spoilers, No, that's pretty

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much it.

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I don't think so.

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I'm sure there's some thematic stuff if you dig into it,

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and there's some I mean, I outdore this episode. This

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is this is a fun run? I wasn't. I had

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no idea what I was going to feel regarding this

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episode because I've watched the first season a whole bunch

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of times, because I started to rewatch, but very rarely

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finish that rewatch because I get distracted, and so I

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life sunrises, O sunsets, puppies, No, No, never sunsets, only sunrises.

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The metaphorical implications are best.

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Don't think about it too hard. Yeah, So anyways, it's

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easier to approach these episodes. And also, like the reputation

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of season three is, these are all going to be

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lackluster episodes. So whenever, we just kind of have a campy,

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fun like plot driven fun episode with campy elements, silly elements,

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and but strong characterization. I mean, I just had a

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good time into it.

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I did wonder about.

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Oh sorry I didn't play the first impressions, oh sound effect?

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I did?

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I did think about that, or I was like, am

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I having a good time? Because I am, like, it's

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it's just I'm I'm a beggar in the desert, Like.

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Is that what's good? It certainly doesn't feel like Ewok's Droid's.

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Territory, No, no, no, no, like it is. I often

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find myself sometimes being just like delighted by actors too

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and when and also if something just feels interesting and

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engaging throughout. So maybe that is like a little bar,

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but I do just genuinely think it was interesting. I'm

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not caught up. I don't care about any of the

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plotholes of the thing or like analyzing the motivations of people.

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Or it's not plotholes. It's a complete disregard for physics

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and also the internal rules that it established whatever.

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Once again portal back in time.

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Sure, but at the same time, there are just like

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there are elements that just kind of get thrown by

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the wayside because we need the episode to move on.

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For instance, whenever Kirk is trying to communicate a spock

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and so he inputs some stuff into the computer, and

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you know, it does. However, that input we don't know

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how fast the enterprise computers operate, and ostensibly it would

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take a very long time for that information to assimilate.

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Turning on the computer could take a very long time. Additionally,

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as it was said in These Are the Voyages Season

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three by Mark Cushman and Susan Osborne, the folks at

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the researching facility. Oh boy, I gotta go all the

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way forward. Here we go.

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Oh my god.

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Pete Slowman, the science authority at de Forest Research, said,

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in wink of an eye, you've got an untenable scientific

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proposition for any object to move so fast that you

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can't see it, which means we're talking about moving at

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relative speeds. How do you keep from burning up? How

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do you keep the turbulence caused by your passage from

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knocking people over? It's just silly idea. That's the sort

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of thing that was happening.

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I don't care.

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That's when I'm with you. It's just silly. It's fun

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to think about.

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I guess, I guess like I, I don't know none

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of these.

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For instance, for instance, they should be able to like

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go through like doors because the enterprise operates with automatic doors,

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and so every single type that they want to leave,

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they're going to have to stand there and just wait

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for the door to open. Because a thing that would

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help a lot of Star Trek plots is if these

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doors had knobs, and additionally, if they were able to

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somehow apply pressure onto those doors, it would rip the

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doors off of the hinges. Because they would the forces

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they would be applying are moving so quickly that suddenly

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every single interaction with anything goes fast. Whenever Kirk and

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deal a bone, I was thinking about them getting on

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the bed and being like, does the bed the bed

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must be hard whenever they get on the bed. Does

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the bed thing gradually get softer because it's finally reacting,

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or does the bed explode because the interpreted the force

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of Kirk and Dila hitting the bed to be so

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rapid that the bed just explodes but slowly.

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I gotta stop you right there. I can't believe that

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you watched Kirk suggestively putting his boost back on and

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instead of thinking yourself, oh my god, it they just fuck?

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Like sorry, can you say that louder and like right

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into the microphones so the levels are peaking.

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Oh my god, did they just fuck? Instead of saying that,

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you were like, I wonder if they're a love making

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any kind of affect on the bid fuck off.

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I did raise my eyebrows, and I did I did

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get excited because I think this is the first time

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that unless Kirk was just like, I'm going to get comfy.

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Yeah, he took off his choose because he was like,

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you can't put your shoes into bed, and we're just

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gonna lie in bed with God.

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George Kios we've talked about Kirk drift ad nauseum over

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this podcast. This might be the first time where there

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has been well, outside of the Paradise syndrome. No, he's Mirramany.

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He is constantly in this season kissing ladies.

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Hold on, but it's hold on, hold on now. You're

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absolutely correct, but sexing though sexing having.

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Sex, yeah, right, right, right right. This is the first

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time it feels explicitly like he has had the sex.

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Well that and you put a baby and Mirramani you

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remember that whenever he's I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm

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pretty depressing, id't I don't like.

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The I don't like the wh he just said that.

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Oh I don't like that.

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Oh dear, oh cut that out.

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Oh it's okay, okay, I don't like me. I hate

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that phrasing. Oh my gosh, sorry.

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The way that mirror came together to make.

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Love and represent Oh my god, I hate you. I

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hate I hate this whole thing. I hate all of this.

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I forgot about that, But it's because he forgot he

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was him and that one he did, and I was like, okay, well,

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it's not like Kirk being like I recognize that this

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is a situation that is temporary. I have full plans

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to get out of this. But while I'm here.

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Don't mind if I do. Don't mind if I do.

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And I got a little kiss and I get a

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little tap deep. You know, it was wild. It was

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wild putting those boots back on.

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I was like, you joking me, you have you literally

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are like, this is the anime. Yeah, but she's so hot,

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But I guess I on a certain level she is.

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She was so enchanting to me by the way. I

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was like, I thought she was so pretty and yeah,

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and I thought she was such a good actor, and

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I was I liked her very much, and so I

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think I was like a lot of my attention the

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episode was driven by being like wow, So I don't

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blame them too much.

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I guess, Yeah, this episode was fun. Yeah I enjoyed it.

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Yeah, okay, right, okay. I always tell you a story

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about how I went to go see Iron Man two,

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but it you know, you know, we agreed, not a

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very very good movie. And but I remember I saw

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it Somerville that's Jesus Somerville Theater. And I was like, Ohm,

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I go watch her Phil I'm just going to watch

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a movie. And I watched it with a bunch of

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engineers and we watched out that movie that was and

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I was like, that was fun, not ba bo bop,

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And every stupid engineer was just like, it doesn't make sense.

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The science doesn't make sense, Like this couldn't work. It's

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not gonna happen.

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And I was just like, Okay, if I could, if

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I could offer like an easy fix to every engineer's

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qualms about Iron Man. Two, Huh, here we go. Tony

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Stark invented a thing. Yeah, I get this couldn't happen. Well,

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Tony Stark, I thought of that. I invented a thing.

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Sometimes I get into arguments with my dear sweet partner

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about this. It often comes up with uh, time travel

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stuff where a lot of the time I will excuse

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I will.

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I will.

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For what it's where it's like I am guilty of

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being like I will excuse plenty of things if it

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feels narratively like it's worth it, It's maybe worth the

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twist of the thing or not making sense. I will

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excuse a multitude sense and sometimes I shouldn't. I will

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give people that, and sometimes I'm a little like, hey,

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stop sounding like the guy in the Pete Holmes Magic

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Show yelling its magnets, magnets, magnets, you know, so just

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like have fun.

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Anyway, Yeah, we we both agree. Yeah, complaining about logic

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plot holes is.

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Stupid, which is why we're talking at length.

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Yeah, because I think it is reflective of a lazy

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bit of criticism, because we're willing to forgive so much.

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But then there are moments within like certain Star Wars properties,

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where they are like, bombs wouldn't fall in space? Why

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would there be a bomber? And I'm like, my guy,

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my guy, you're just looking for things to complain about

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and something that spoilers might not just might not be

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for you. So why don't you just go do the

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adult thing and be like I'm going to let go.

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Oh yeah, it's it's usually always a bad faith thing.

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But then there's a difference between like logic based plot

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holes and emotional plot holes, right, which are then because

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for you and I, characters are the things that make

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the movie sing and so like, boy, yeah, give us

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an example aspen of an emotional character thing that could

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be considered like an emotional plot hole.

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Oh god, I guess with the closest is when you

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have a character that does like act out of character

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for the purposes of plot as opposed to like actually

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something that is actually character driven. I don't have itself,

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Like I guess the best like the best examples I'm

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thinking ever, like TV examples in shows that have gone

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on for a while, and like, like the best example

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I'm thinking of is, like a is Supernatural. There came

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a there came a time where, because I've talked about Supernatural,

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I'm sure many times fifteen seasons of a show where

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you'd have a writer who'd come in and they're like, well,

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I need this thing to happen, but like it actually

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kind of doesn't make sense in the context of those characters.

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But they're just like, well, yeah, we'll take all the

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growth that these characters had that they've gone through, like

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maybe they went through an entire season of like we

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need to like communicate better or whatever, and then the

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character like Dean will like do the exact opposite of that,

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and you're just like, come the fuck on, Like, I

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don't care if you need to make that stupid plot

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point happen, be a better writer, or just cancel the show.

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I don't know. So that's I think maybe the best

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example of it is when characters are out of they

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are out of character. Yeah, for the purposes of the plot,

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as opposed to say what I think we're talking about,

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which is to say that, like, I am okay with

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a plot, like a specific thing within it being shifted

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quite a little bit to serve Like if that plot

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and Supernatural had been shifted to serve their characterization, I'd

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be fine with that, yeah, because I'm like, it's fine,

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it's just it's just the story we're telling here. But

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those characters, their motivations would actually matter. So that is

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that what you wanted? Is that what you wanted from me?

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Yeah?

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Yes, you were both wearing green right now?

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Happy Saint Patty's.

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Oh my god, don't pinch me, don't pinch me, Well,

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don't do it, don't do it.

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So yeah, WINKEM and I is a delightful romp. And

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then we've also got Duku Captured, also delightful romp, a

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delightful ramp and we're starting to get into to the

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I mean, we've been getting into the politics of this thing,

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and then it is just delightful that Dooku gets captured

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because he's being an opportunist, and suddenly it's just like

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fuck yeah, because that stuff happens, and that's that's delightful.

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It is great, It is interesting. Yes, I just enjoy

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watching Duku maneuver his way through these things while trying

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to escape. I love the fact that the episode just

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starts with Anakin being captured.

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Right like it's already happened like off screen.

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Am I to believe that this episode happens like right

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after the Clone Wars movie?

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I don't know. The answer is I don't know, and

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I'm sorry, and I'm supposed to be the Star Wars expert,

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but sometimes.

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You're supposed to be the Star Wars expert.

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I just get by vibes man.

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I understand. That's one of the reasons probably why I

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like Star Trek and Star Wars a little bit more,

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because I'm just like, we're here.

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Here, you know, this was just just a really great time.

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Let's see like we can. But but yeah, to your point,

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to your point, it was let's see what is the

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watch order? We can check out Reddit. At first, I

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was like, oh no, did I skip an episode again?

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But it is okay, okay, there's a link to the

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official chronological order. Here we go, stay tuned, stay tuned,

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stay tuned.

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Okay, the official chronological order. Okay, here we go.

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It was weird. I can't tell how this is so okay,

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so this is how it was, but this is when

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it happened in time. There's like okay, because it goes

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Cat and Mouse, Hidden Enemy, Clone, Cadets lines, ambush, Okay,

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I do believe this is yeah, okay, this is the order.

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So what would this have been? Douku Captured one hundred

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and eleven? What wait?

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I need to put something in the spreadsheet of just

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being like, how do we watch this in complete chronological order?

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I think this isn't making sense to me.

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Sorry, no worries.

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Feeling very confused by this structure that they have here here.

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Let me like some mistable we can cut out me

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looking this up.

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I will do that.

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But like, oh, I see, I see, Oh, okay, it's

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it's by I get it. Okay, it's by season and episode,

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so like in chronological order, Cat and Mouse is first,

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and that's an episode that happens in it's season two

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episode sixteen, and then Headen Enemy, which is the sixteenth

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episode of the first season, and then the theatrical release

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would happen. So I guess technically it would be like

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season one one, so Ambush would be oh no, the

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next one would be oh my god, I don't fucking know,

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would be Clone Cadets in chronoledge order. But that happens

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in season three. It's a pilot.

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The article on Star Wars dot com, and it seems

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like it happens, you know, not immediately after the Clone

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Wars theatrical movie.

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It doesn't. No, it happens. It's like fifteen episodes or

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thirteen technically, so there's two episodes before the theatrical release

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that would have like that movie. There's two episodes would

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have happened before that movie.

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Yeah, so it is. That's wild.

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Yeah, this is an interesting structure of things. Yeah, I

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mean it does start to this. Yeah, it's an interesting

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kind of thing because looking at this, it's like, oh, technically,

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episodes from an episode from season two happens before the

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Clone Wars movie. I support it anyway, now that I'm

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like understanding it. I'm getting this a little bit better.

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But yes, sorry, wow to make of that, which you will, uh,

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but I do like that. It's an in media res thing.

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It's a very Star Trek thing of it to do,

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and also a Star Wars thing. Actually, a lot of

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Star Wars movies will just start with it's like what

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in the battle.

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I feel like Clone Wars does it even more, especially

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with the prolog to every episode, which starts with big

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bursts of action, right, and that's just a quick setting

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of the status quo, and then the rest of the

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episode adheres to its own internal logic while also still

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having this lightly serialized, I know, two to three episode

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structure that is wonderful and makes things count. It's talk about.

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Yeah, it's worth noting this is the first episode of

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a new arc because it ends.

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Right after a new gun Ray got captured, right right

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then he got uncaptured and now count yeah.

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Now that he got captured. No, just everybody get captured.

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And then there was the two D Clone Wars where

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Palpatine got captured.

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Everyone has to take their turn.

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When he screen is going to get captured.

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Discs ever get captured.

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But I can't answer that I've never seen Clone wars.

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Let me think about it.

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But Hanakin's gotten captured, obi Wan's gotten captured, Padme's gotten captured,

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gets captured, gets captured. Does anyone get captured and just

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stay captured? Well, I can tell you the answer to that.

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Those two prisoners that obi Wan opens the door on

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and then it's just like sorry.

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I know. I was like, oh, what go.

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You are a Jedi, you are a keeper of the peace,

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not a soldier. Why not get them out too?

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Yeah, like they're probably not like baddies, like they're being

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kept on this ship by a badi.

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Yes, it was wild, I very much wildly. I mean

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he's being a rascal. Well it sounds like he's being

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a rascal, but at the same time he's doing something

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that is like horrifying, like horrifying, like actually horrifying.

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It's a weird joke. I was genuinely like, maybe that's

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just what does this say about Obi Wan the person?

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Do you think that that was a George Lucas call?

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Probably he's just like that seems like something about you know,

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obi Wan would do.

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Let's talk let's talk about this. Let's talk about one

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because we haven't been talking about the morals that start

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at the.

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End of Oh, you're right, we haven't been talking about

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the fortune cookies.

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The fortune cook Thank you as man. The winding path

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to piece is always a worthy one, regardless of how

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many turns it takes. Right now, how has that represented

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the episode?

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Well, one of the turns might be that you don't

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release captured people.

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Don't do it on way? What does what does peace

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mean to Dave Filoni and George Lucas at this point

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in time?

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My man, is freedom really free?

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Whoa oh oh.

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Bra, oh god Bra?

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How can we be living in the United States, which

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were when we're so divided again? You can subscribe to

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the Patreon dollars a month patreon dot com slash track

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warse pod.

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I don't know that's that's one of those where I

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actually feel like that's fairly representative of kind of any

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little adventure within Clone Wars, because like.

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Yeah, these things are probably generalities that kind of sound good,

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and he probably just wants to put something at the

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front because they're dealing broken record, They're dealing in aesthetics,

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not necessarily breaking down what exactly the intricate systems are

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and the mechanics of the Clone Wars, at least at

474
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.039
this point in time.

475
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.920
I guess we can, like, let's assume they were like, listen,

476
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.079
this is specifically about this episode, and I mean this

477
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:22.920
with my whole chest. In that case, I guess that sometimes.

478
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.920
I mean, like in this case, there's like there's like

479
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:32.559
a moment where so the pirates capture So the Pirates

480
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:39.640
capture do Kus, the week Ways, the Weekuays I captured Okay,

481
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.519
I'm sorry, the week Ways captured.

482
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.559
Doku because I knew what the species name was.

483
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:54.720
I love you girl, Thank you, Honda. So the week

484
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.759
Ways capture him unexpected truly an unexpected turn, right, Like

485
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.319
they were like, we need to get this dude. He

486
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.920
crashes on that planet, and it's like, I think obi

487
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.200
Wan says something about it being like this is like

488
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.359
take this as like a kind of a gift or something,

489
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:11.920
because it's like you might have gotten away if it

490
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.759
hadn't been for this, and now we're at least in

491
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:19.559
a situation where we can potentially negotiate something, even if

492
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.240
it's not what we thought it was going to be.

493
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:23.319
So I guess it could be.

494
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.920
I mean that is how the episode ends. Obi Wan's like,

495
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:28.640
don't let the gift to us in the mouth, right,

496
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:32.039
which is I think possibly one of my favorite endings

497
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.119
to a Clone Wars episode. There was really yeah, because

498
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:40.079
Anakin's like, I don't know, this feels weird. Obi Wan's like, dude,

499
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.880
chill out. Win's a win, and then it's like it's

500
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.559
very low energy, and I enjoy it very much.

501
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.160
It's really funny, I mean, and like some you know,

502
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.440
weird shit happens if you're not like paying attention that.

503
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.079
It's like their drinks were clearly drugged because they had

504
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.000
like switched them out with these other guys who pass

505
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.519
out right as they drink bomb right.

506
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.960
Because Anakin and obi Wan go to on behalf of

507
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:09.519
the Republic go to investigate if the pirates actually captured Dooku,

508
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.240
and at the same time the pirates are while Anakin

509
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.319
obi Wan are there trying to poison them right and

510
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.319
extraordinary force trick. I just loved watching the animation of

511
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.759
the cops leaving their hand and instantly going into the

512
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:28.480
other hands, and then the comedy of the folks on

513
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:32.000
either side of them passing out. It was really funny.

514
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.519
It was really funny stuff in this, like someone kicking

515
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.920
the Java and the fight just instantly breaks out and

516
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.759
the Java flies across the room and hops on it.

517
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.480
It's great on all the lines between obi Wan and Anakin.

518
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:50.880
Loved it. We get a real barn burner between Anakin

519
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:52.440
and obi Wan in a way that I don't think

520
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.160
that we've gotten yet. I mean, it's just a classic

521
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.240
Anakin obi Wan episode, and I think that's one of

522
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.759
the things that's gravitated to so much. Yeah, like your

523
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:04.920
chemistry is so good.

524
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.039
This is one of those those unique situations where they

525
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:15.799
like the gun dark thing right like they have. Isn't

526
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:17.920
there isn't there a line? I know that there is

527
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:23.799
a line originally in Empire about like pulling the ears

528
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.279
off of Gundark, But isn't there a line too, and

529
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.359
like about like that falling into that gun dark pit,

530
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.599
like I saved you from that gun dark pit or

531
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:32.440
is it a different.

532
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:33.960
Creature falling to that nest of gun do?

533
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.400
Yes, they're falling to the nest of Gundarks in episode

534
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.440
three and so this is like I knew it. I

535
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.880
was like, I'm not I'm not confusing Star Wars creatures,

536
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.480
am I? Yeah, Like we fell into that gun dark

537
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.680
nest like this is like I like it being like, look,

538
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.079
this is that story they were talking about in that elevator.

539
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:53.839
We didn't get to like see them, and now we

540
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.680
get to see it, and you're just like, that's so

541
00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:01.440
fun because it is fun. It's really fun. Like and

542
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.519
it's not it's not like, ahhun, what's your last name?

543
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.680
Where are your people? I don't have any people, so

544
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.640
low right, it's not like that kind of bullshit. It's

545
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.240
like an actual like that was a throwaway line and

546
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:16.000
yet still it's like when they're fun, just like, here's

547
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.559
what we got, you know, why make something new? I

548
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.680
love that. Oh my gosh, So.

549
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:26.480
I think that might have been in episode two.

550
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:35.160
Huh yeah, it is an episode two. It's a different

551
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:36.039
nest of Gundarks.

552
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:37.759
Well that's so sorry.

553
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:38.920
Hmmm.

554
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.039
I was really hoping it was three. Oh well, but

555
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.400
you know, you know what, still got to see a

556
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:47.440
nest of Gundarks.

557
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:48.920
We did get to see an Asti gun.

558
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.720
So I'm not going to complain. Yeah, oh yeah.

559
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.599
What is also interesting and demonstrative of full on his

560
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:00.000
approach yep in regards to Gundarks. Obviously, we're seeing gun Dark.

561
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.680
Not only that, but the design team, the design of

562
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.960
the gun darks were pulled from an actual Star Wars

563
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.839
Monster manual and also the Star Wars role playing game.

564
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.720
Yep, yeah, why like use what you've got, you know,

565
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.400
like that. That is kind of what I'm like seeing

566
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.599
here is there's a lot of like there's so much

567
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.160
to be had, like so much joy, so many like

568
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.720
ideas like why not, like, look at this exciting thing

569
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.200
that we can take and adapt. So the design of

570
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.440
it is really fun, that's for sure.

571
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.519
Yeah, it's got big honking ears, got some fur.

572
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:47.319
Off. Yeah, all it's a big girl because it's and

573
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.480
she's she demma shea.

574
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:58.200
Sorry, I'm so sorry. Well if you could just sorry

575
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.720
the sound is cutting out on what you're saying, shold

576
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.240
a mama, and it's just one more time, just so

577
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:06.359
I can get it locked.

578
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:16.119
Duh, Mama. This is uh this this town near us

579
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.400
called Rancho cucka manga. Monk am I getting it wrong.

580
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.079
I think it's Rancho.

581
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.679
You're definitely getting getting it right. It's what my dad

582
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.039
would say, Yes City all the time.

583
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.880
It's because it's from Rancho Gone manga. It's because it's

584
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.239
from Looney Tunes and it would be and the way

585
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:41.119
it is said, is cool. Commonga every time we see it.

586
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:47.880
That's what we do. We're always just like commong incredible. Anyway,

587
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:54.159
she mom, what we're talking about? What are we doing?

588
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:58.000
I'm not wrong? Goofy mode, man, You're a goofy you

589
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.320
you're goof You know what? This is one episode, this

590
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.599
great back and forth. We get a Hondo, we get

591
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.119
I like the idea two of the of of of

592
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:17.119
Duku being captured, which you could be like, what this

593
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.559
man is being captured? But there are so many pirates. Kenny,

594
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.239
looks like you have something to say.

595
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.679
I do have something to say because I rose my

596
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.719
hand in Zencaster this. Speaking of Count Duca being captured,

597
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:31.880
one of the reasons that he's captured is that he's

598
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.880
so valuable. And also, Hondo, I believe, is the first

599
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.719
one to mention that Count Dooku is wealthy.

600
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.639
He is sure is because he's a gang count man

601
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:44.960
because he probably bought it.

602
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:51.360
Yeah, as we talked about in previous episode, Yeah, yeah, exactly,

603
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.159
which I love it. Where are now adding further layers

604
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.719
into what exactly that position means right within this? Yeah,

605
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:10.320
adding a financial interest? I adored that. And then also

606
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.039
let's talk let's talk about this trope asmen.

607
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.000
Oh I'm excited.

608
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.639
Yeah, because we've got Anakin and Obin wanted. They're being

609
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:24.239
they're being dean dang rascals. They're lifting rocks, They're throwing rocks,

610
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:26.559
They're dealing with rocks.

611
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.880
That is key to being a dead I I'd say.

612
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:31.719
Lots of lots of rock lifting.

613
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:33.440
Yeah, I would say canonically.

614
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:38.119
And then also U Ahsoka is on the ship yep,

615
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.159
and she's being like those rascals down there. And what

616
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:48.760
is interesting and perhaps a little bit deconstructed in Ahsoka

617
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:52.360
season one and other texts that we maybe we haven't

618
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.880
gotten to yet, but Ahsoka and what often, very very

619
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:01.679
often happens within the comedic dynamic, uh of there's a

620
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:08.519
boy and there's a girl US FEM identifying person, and

621
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.719
the boy gets to be goofy and the girl has

622
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:18.199
to be like the am I gonna have to clean

623
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:18.800
up in here?

624
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.320
Ah Anakin?

625
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.199
Yeah, And I just noticed that.

626
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.000
That that dynamic was happening.

627
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:34.400
Yeah, even though Ahsoka is the padawan yep. But it

628
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.920
doesn't feel out of character, and it's not even necessarily wrong.

629
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.880
I just think that it's an interesting point of discussion

630
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:43.039
that's it.

631
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.360
You know, actually I was thinking about more in the

632
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:50.239
context of how delightful that.

633
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:53.159
Uh.

634
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.719
You know, it's funny when you see the like Anakin

635
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:02.239
Ahsoka dynamic, because you know, Anakin's trying to be trying

636
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.920
his best. He has a pada on and Ahsoka, who

637
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.760
is a lot like him to start with, and then

638
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.679
you know, picks up a lot of his habits. I

639
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.920
think the benefit that Ahsoka gets to have is that

640
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.360
she ends up with like a lot of teachers. Effectively,

641
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.079
she Luminara, and she learns from Luminar. She learns from

642
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:28.079
obi Wan Lukun hugely. She does like she genuinely does,

643
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.760
and I think that's actually a benefit to her because

644
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.360
she is too much like Anakin, and so a lot

645
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.079
of the time she will kind of get to be

646
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.039
like a little touch of the rascal, and he has

647
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:39.800
to be the one who's just like oh, even though

648
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.320
he's still kind of a jokester with her, And it

649
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.000
is always fun to then see it back over too.

650
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.679
It's obi Wan who's the one that's got under everything

651
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.519
under control, and Anakin who's like jumping down shoots and

652
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.800
stuff and not thinking right and like just letting his

653
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.239
like instincts lead him as opposed to really thinking it through.

654
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.960
I think you're right in general, I do. I think

655
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.840
there is like a touch here, yeah, what you're talking about.

656
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.440
But I don't think it always has to be that way.

657
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.280
Yeah, it doesn't become egregious because Ahsoka is given different characterizations. Yeah,

658
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.880
she is not constantly being put into a caretaker.

659
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.559
Rule, right, And she's not like she's a Nissa from

660
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.719
from Uox. She's not always the one who's like annoyingly

661
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.000
has to always be so goddamn capable all the time.

662
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.960
Even that was offset by Latara, Thank goodness. Yeah, either

663
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.880
to have as opposed to the rest of eighties media,

664
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:39.880
they had two fem identifying characters. I am not saying that, right.

665
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.960
Yeah, I mean they are they are girls. I think

666
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:48.840
like they're presenting well, they are girls. You know if

667
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.159
it's like fun, it's like, you know, like I'm non binary,

668
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.760
but fem like you know what I mean, that's typically

669
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.639
like the use of it. But they're girls women, girls.

670
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.440
You know, like cool, Sorry to make you you the work.

671
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.880
Oh my god, I'm not being a good.

672
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:14.360
Truly such a labor moment for me, God Jesus Christ.

673
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:20.320
But speaking of presenting characters about We've talked about deal

674
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.719
a little bit beforehand, and the fact that I was

675
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.760
enchanted by her Kirk canonically bone and not only that,

676
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.199
we got a little poly cool situation going on. It

677
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.079
is actually okay, so more of a love triangle, but also.

678
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.800
Yeah, it feels polyol.

679
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:45.920
It feels like inherently Dela's husband rail real rail.

680
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:49.719
Oh I didn't catch that they were he was they

681
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:50.440
were actually.

682
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.400
Partnered husband or partners. Yeah, they're romantic partners. Okay, but

683
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.320
he's sterile because goes too fast.

684
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.679
No, well, he's sterile because whatever radiation caused them to

685
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.360
go too fast, and that was in the volcano also

686
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.079
made them all sterile, which in.

687
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.800
The original draft by Gene alcun was all the men

688
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:20.400
were just really ugly, that's funny, and they were like,

689
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.000
can we do something different? Can we weren't dramatically compelling

690
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:30.800
as casting Wall of Shan's All Alls No, that dude

691
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.239
did Woody Allen movie recently.

692
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:39.000
The Fuck You Wall? Then, I actually I really missed that.

693
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.559
I think I just thought that it was, uh, they

694
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.559
were in love with each other but couldn't be together

695
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.840
because of this rule around reproduction and like for this

696
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.599
like tradition, because like I took from it, I took

697
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.880
from it that like it's like such a dire, dire

698
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.719
scene situation, and you know that we have done this

699
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.719
for years and years and years. Is that at this

700
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.920
point there is no space for a relationship that would

701
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.719
just be romantic and loving. It has to be that

702
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.639
we like I have to be with people like basically

703
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:16.559
for breeding stock and people like men who are not sterile.

704
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.360
So I guess I missed that because I was like

705
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.679
forming this thought in my mind, like that's that sucks.

706
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.360
That's very frustrating for you to be like, well, I

707
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.400
can't have this relationship if it doesn't mean reproduction. But

708
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.719
I guess technically she does, and she's I mean if

709
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.079
that if that is the truth. Oh sorry, so okay,

710
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.519
I guess it just totally started forming an opinion.

711
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.760
As you and I both enjoyed this episode. There are

712
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.599
also multiple times where I don't really have to do

713
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.440
this very often. Yeah, but I have to rewind several

714
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.079
times to be like, so what is so, what's what's

715
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.679
the plot? And ultimately what I boiled down to is

716
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.800
that the oh boy, what's the name of the race

717
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:00.880
that's in a wink of an eye.

718
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.800
I know, okay, what are they? Oh my god, can

719
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:07.079
you tell?

720
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:08.760
Just watch this?

721
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.119
I know, I know, man, I know.

722
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:12.800
I've got I've got two pages of.

723
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.960
Notes sco Sclosions because from Scalos I.

724
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.400
Have two pages of notes. I do that.

725
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.079
But also I could couldn't remember I know now welcome,

726
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.840
welcome to me who just forgets everybody's name? I okay,

727
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:29.599
so you were.

728
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:37.119
The Scolosions plan, at least these five Skolosions is that

729
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:41.760
they beamed up. They or rather they hopped onto the

730
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.280
transporter beam along with the folks that were getting beamed

731
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.320
up for the landing party, as well as that one

732
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:53.280
security officer, And their plan was to grab Kirk, convert

733
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.719
him because he's a hottie, and use him for breeding stock,

734
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:00.440
and then freeze the rest of the enterprise and then

735
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.519
let that ship stay up in orbit and then because

736
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:10.440
also the problem for non Scholosians m hmm is that

737
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.760
whenever they get sped up to be in wake of

738
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:17.559
an island, yep, they burn out quite quickly, so they

739
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.199
die right fast, and so they need a lot of

740
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.679
breeding stock around in order to repopulate the Scholosian society. Yep,

741
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.519
and so they put they literally hooked a giant freezer

742
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.760
to the life support in environmental engineering to freeze the ship.

743
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.800
While you're going through that. Excellent everything I'm seeing, like

744
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:46.679
including like villains wiki and like the regular wiki. I

745
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:47.920
don't think they were together.

746
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:49.559
I think they were together.

747
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:51.800
I don't I think they had feelings for each other.

748
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.679
I think that she is seen as the She's the

749
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.599
queen of them, and there's not a lot of them.

750
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.440
She's the leader of the sclosions.

751
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.519
She is Now, why wasn't she give Why wasn't she

752
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.599
the one that was giving the transmission in the video?

753
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:15.440
Okay, okay, this one does say Dyla's lover. Oh okay?

754
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.000
And truly this podcast is about being well.

755
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.920
I think, well, the reason I actually think I'm talking

756
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.519
it changes, It changes a little bit of the reading

757
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.679
for me. And either way, because I was like to

758
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.599
be perfectly frank, I was like thinking in terms of

759
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.519
oh goodness, like the feeling I was having before of

760
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:40.960
like how horrifying an existence to be thinking of partnership

761
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.559
that way, that it must result in reproduction, and that

762
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.679
you can't be with someone just for pure love, because

763
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.119
you know there's plenty to be said in that in

764
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.199
like our own modern context. It has nothing to do

765
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:56.159
with this context. But like I think, you know, like

766
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.639
I think of personally right, this idea of like choosing

767
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.559
to not have kids and being like, but my partnership

768
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.320
is so valid and like love and like connection and

769
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.639
intimacy can be had regardless.

770
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.039
You are living a meaningful life.

771
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.000
Yeah, you live a meeting withul life. Obviously the context

772
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.639
would be very very altered if literally there were like

773
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.519
five of you left off your entire race, then it

774
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.119
starts to become an interesting like problem. And she even

775
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.760
like brings that up as like we have the right

776
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.639
to do this for our survival, which is of course

777
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.400
not true. It's not true. But if like you've had

778
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.679
these lessons taught to you, and this is like what

779
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.440
people have done, your entire species has done for years

780
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.960
and years. I mean there's a real regardless of whether

781
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.239
he is her lover or not, there's a real horror

782
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:50.679
like to the like breeding stock idea. Even if you

783
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.119
like well because they're hot, like she grabs him and

784
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.599
kisses them assault it's pretty gross.

785
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.519
And then also was like I was given you invisible

786
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:02.000
kisses and you had no idea gross.

787
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.400
Again, she was enchanting. And I say that not like

788
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.360
just in appearance, I mean her acting I found her

789
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.280
to be but like the way that the character is

790
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.480
behaving horrifying.

791
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.519
Yeah, there's something to be said about emotional tone just

792
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.960
being able to carry Yeah, true, like so many problematic

793
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.840
pieces that I'm just like, right, yeah, but like right,

794
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:25.519
cool vibes, right.

795
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.039
Cool vibes. I mean there are there are cool vibes.

796
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:33.480
She is genuinely like you are a coauty Oh my god,

797
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:42.000
I'm going to have a bibber by your non irradiated semen.

798
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.199
And what's wild is that her performance is exactly like

799
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:46.440
the way that you just said.

800
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:53.559
That none in radiated semens. She said that at least

801
00:47:53.599 --> 00:48:01.000
ten times. Yeah, I mean the idea of it is

802
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.679
pretty horrifying, because it's like, when you really get down

803
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.360
to it, it's like your braiding stock, and we're putting

804
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.480
the ship into the criogenic like space so that we

805
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.079
can extract them for the future, for such purposes when

806
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.599
you burn out. Yes, that's what pretty gross. That's like

807
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.800
a like fucking Queen Spider shit, you know, like black

808
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:25.599
Widow stuff, Queen Spider, Queen spider like black Widow. Shit,

809
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.440
I'll keep these like on deck for when I need

810
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:35.000
to just go you know. Yeah, so but she's hot,

811
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.800
so it's okay, and he still Bookxer.

812
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.960
You know what's interesting about both these episodes. Yeah, a

813
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:47.639
leader gets stolen by pirates. Love it is that wild.

814
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.280
I like the idea that the Scalatians are pirates because

815
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:50.800
they are.

816
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.079
They are pirates. They've done this before.

817
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:59.840
Yep, they've stolen humans. They think stealing trade in humans, parents,

818
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.440
human traffickers. Yeah, oh my god. And at one point,

819
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.199
do you remember that one point that dealer like was

820
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.239
just like, look at me, look at me. I'm the

821
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:10.840
captain now, Kirk.

822
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:16.840
Yeah, and then Kirk acquiesced very quickly. What I did

823
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:23.960
was not acceptable. There is some delicious Shatner acting that

824
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.719
goes on here whenever he gets zapped by this s

825
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.280
colosion weapon and for some reason it doesn't function like

826
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.480
standard phasers.

827
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:32.960
It's great, it's fine, don't worry about and.

828
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:38.079
Sharply, no, it's fun. Why can't I point out something

829
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.159
that I think is fun? It's fun, and not only

830
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.440
that becomes a canonical example of this is how this

831
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.559
weapon works because someone else does the exact same thing. Yeah,

832
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.760
Shatner gets hit by the weapon and then like slowly

833
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:53.800
falls back.

834
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.360
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty great.

835
00:49:58.119 --> 00:49:59.920
Oh it's pretty great.

836
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.320
There's also there's a specific Shatner moment that I loved

837
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:05.320
beyond reason.

838
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:06.119
Here we go.

839
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:10.039
So yeah, so Shatner's like, Okay, I need them, I

840
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:12.360
need the crew to figure this out. He gets the

841
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.400
message through to them. Spock is like, got it. I

842
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.679
see what's happening. They're going really fast. We got to

843
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:20.960
figure out how I could go really fast to get

844
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.760
on their level. Drinks the water, you'd think that, yeah,

845
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.760
you know. And then he also yeah, yeah, yes, yes,

846
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:28.440
I know the moment.

847
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.719
I know the moment. I'm just very excited keep going.

848
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.920
And so now he's on the same like tempo as Kirk.

849
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.519
Kirk runs into the hall, sees Spock and all he

850
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.840
does is just gives him like the most lovely smile,

851
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:43.920
and that's it.

852
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.199
And then they just go and I was just like,

853
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:47.400
it's great.

854
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.760
I loved it so much. Like he wasn't even just

855
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.960
like SPA, you figured it out. He's just like, oh, boyfriend,

856
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:05.199
my boyfriend. So it's that Mark. I loved it. It's great.

857
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:11.559
And yeah, yeah, you want a leord a phrase that

858
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.360
got employed liberally, that will make you sound like a

859
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.360
film scholar. Instantly love it.

860
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.920
Never went to film school. Feeling embarrassed. We're living in

861
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.000
a town where everyone to U c LA Dutch angles.

862
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.800
Dutch angle angle, look at me, I'm a star. Trek.

863
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.400
Wow, it's like you have been zapped into going really fast.

864
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.360
It was great. Yeah, from a like I don't know,

865
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.760
is this a photographer, choreographer, I don't know what it

866
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:50.280
is kind of perspective, the like transitioning into like you're

867
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.159
starting to go fast and everyone else is starting to

868
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:53.719
go slow. So cool.

869
00:51:55.119 --> 00:52:00.360
It just keeps. I can't Dutch angle, Oh no, I can't.

870
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.239
Can you Dutch angle for me? I need you to

871
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:08.119
dutch angle real quick. I need you to thank you. Okay,

872
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.760
thank you, Okay, I'm not crazy. It keeps. Boy, I

873
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:13.880
was hoping to demonstrate it.

874
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.000
You're good. It's just.

875
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.639
So good, so mad, and you can only see my

876
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.119
infuriation on the YouTube channel. You can also dot com

877
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:27.400
slash at trek warspot.

878
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.360
Ever since we've started doing YouTube, I'm just so conscious

879
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.039
of how I cannot sit still. A constant, a constant

880
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:36.519
fidget that's great.

881
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.320
That just that just makes for more dynamic visual storytelling

882
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:40.880
in a podcast.

883
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.880
Fantastic? Is that? So it makes up to the fact

884
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.000
that I'm just like sitting in front of my closet. Yeah,

885
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:46.079
it's just a white background.

886
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.199
Yeah. Anyway, I'm sitting at the corner of my bedroom.

887
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.360
Yeah, well you got a cool bookshelf. You're doing great.

888
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.000
Are you talking about the films of Rudy Ray Moore collection?

889
00:52:59.639 --> 00:52:59.880
Okay?

890
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:00.639
Real cool?

891
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.039
Wow, Dole am i himself asmen.

892
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.159
Wow, that's really cool.

893
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:11.559
It is very cool. And then also what else is

894
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:12.719
cool within this episode?

895
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.719
I am finding like, even as we're like these are fun,

896
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.960
I'm trying to I think I am struggling a touch

897
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:26.719
for like truly like thematic there are connections, but like

898
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.000
like things that feel thematically interesting, compelling.

899
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.920
I got this and that's because I am just really digging.

900
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.079
Which is the thing that's been indicated in this episode

901
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.800
is that this strategy is generational. They have attempted other

902
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:42.920
strategies and they just haven't worked, and so they are

903
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:47.079
perpetuating toxic loops yep, because it's the only thing that

904
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.280
they know that work, that works, and so that is

905
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:53.159
damaging and then not only that, but there is something

906
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.880
about we're in the nineteen sixties. And again, I think

907
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:00.639
that's an extremely generous reading, because what the truth is

908
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.760
is that gene kuhnuh the behind the scenes that gene

909
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:10.239
Kuhn had six scripts to deliver to Star Trek. This

910
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.159
was number three. He was very tired because he was

911
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:18.159
show running at the same time. It takes a Thief

912
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.320
and also Wild Wide West, because wasn't.

913
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:21.320
This originally a wold woh West?

914
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:21.880
Was there?

915
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:34.320
Yeah? Yeah, Aspen, great job, thank you, right, something fascinating.

916
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:42.119
Oh my god, I'm sorry. I got so mixed up

917
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.000
with the sound effects that I completely forgot what we

918
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:44.400
were talking.

919
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:46.360
You're talking about gene Kuhn being so tired.

920
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.880
Oh, yes, yes, because he was so busy. He also

921
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.920
like did a TV movie, he was he did a

922
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.320
feature script. He was extremely in demand. And also because

923
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.599
he is a gentleman, he was like, I gotta fulfill

924
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.239
my O cations for start Truck. I should have moved

925
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.880
my camera while I was talking because that's not going

926
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:06.960
to cut well together, but I did it anyways. Why

927
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.519
because and so I.

928
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:14.920
Feel like we're messes right now, We're right now, that's okay.

929
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.280
And so this was script number three of six that

930
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:24.159
he delivered, taken from a while wild West episode that

931
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.760
he had done, and this in itself was taken from

932
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:29.159
at least according to these are the Voyage season three

933
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.400
by Mark Cushman and Susan Osborne, an HG. Wells story

934
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:33.559
called The Accelerated Man.

935
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:34.079
Cool.

936
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.440
This is a thing. That's fine. Also, I never hate

937
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:42.960
anyone for pulling tropes and been doing that stuff, I think.

938
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:49.159
And also we borrow Yeah, this premise was borrowed through

939
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:58.039
the Tracking through Time and Space podcast. Cool. And so

940
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.440
this was script number three of six. And then Gene

941
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:03.840
Kuhn was like, I'm kind of at my wits end,

942
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.679
and then went into Fred Freiberger. I was like, can

943
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:10.119
I get released from my contract? I'm a gentleman, I'll

944
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:14.000
do it, but I'm sleepy. Yeah, and gentlemen was the

945
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.119
way that Fred Freiberger described it. Whenever he was like, yeah, absolutely,

946
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.760
you can get released from your contract. Thank you so much. Yeah.

947
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.519
Because he was doing all of these things and also

948
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:28.199
having or he he was doing these Star Trek scripts

949
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:36.079
on his downtime. Yeah, and so this one and then

950
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.679
another script that we will get to later that is

951
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:39.719
quite famous.

952
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:44.880
Okay, I can't even I can't even guess what it

953
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:45.199
would be.

954
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:54.079
Yeah, uh, what's And so the going back to the generous,

955
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.719
generous reading, because I believe completely everyone was just like,

956
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.360
you need to get an episode of Star Trek done.

957
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.440
Let's do it. Think about the context. This episode gets

958
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:09.440
released in November of nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty eight,

959
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:15.840
a tumultuous year, and we are dealing with the youth

960
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:22.360
of America being so unrecognizable, fast living, if you will.

961
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:31.559
And so it is either the crew of the Enterprise

962
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.000
having to deal with a completely new generation of folks

963
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:36.239
and a completely different way of life that they don't

964
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:45.639
necessarily understand, or these folks attempting to learn a completely

965
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.960
different way from Captain Kirk and the crew of the

966
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:53.400
Enterprise thereby trying to come to a consensus about what

967
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.880
exactly is the real way to live, because there's a

968
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:02.280
point for this colosions, which is survival, and Kirk it's like, no,

969
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:05.760
that's not the way. And then the end of the episode, Aspen,

970
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:11.480
they send Dela and Rail back to the planet, and

971
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:16.280
then afterwards afterwards is when McCoy walks into the transporter room.

972
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.599
It's like I've got a cure. End of episode, McCoy

973
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:22.280
doesn't send the cure to.

974
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.239
It because I don't know if the implication is that

975
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:24.599
they do.

976
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.079
I don't think so, because I think that they want

977
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:33.079
to punish the Skelosions for having done this period even

978
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:37.760
though it's a complicated, great issue, even though what they

979
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.239
did is fundamentally wrong, but at the same time, it's

980
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.159
the survival of their species.

981
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:42.960
I have.

982
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:50.679
A really sticky reading. You're ready for my sticky reading?

983
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.119
Yeah, hold on, let me play a sound effect kind

984
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.320
of lighten it. Here we go.

985
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:02.159
I feel like this is something that is seen historically,

986
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:08.440
This idea of like my survival of like my group,

987
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:12.800
my ethnic group, and my nationalistic group, like my survival

988
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:18.280
is uh must can only be promised with your demise,

989
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:23.199
because that's effectively what they're doing. They are saying that

990
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.719
we are. It's just it feels very biblical to me,

991
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:33.800
like in terms of different groups, just like obliterating each other,

992
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.719
because to say that I, you know ours, we we

993
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.480
have there, you know, because we must live it is

994
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:46.280
actually morally an moral obligation to decimate you. Obviously it

995
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.719
is not, and it is far more complicated than that.

996
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:55.000
So I cannot help but have a little have a

997
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:59.159
little current Pastinian genocide a touch that comes to mind,

998
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.079
like not in and of itself is of course far

999
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.039
more complex, but it has to do with well, no,

1000
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:05.840
I don't not in the way that that's not what

1001
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.599
I meant like it, but compared to this episode like

1002
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:13.159
the idea of like a a governmental structure and then

1003
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:17.159
a genocide of a people, because it's not actually about

1004
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.880
the survival of a group, it is about the obliteration

1005
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.079
of another group for ethnic cleansing in space. And but

1006
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:24.599
so I mean, it's obviously not a one to one,

1007
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.960
but the same kind of themes arising of like what

1008
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:28.360
are we.

1009
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.599
The like it?

1010
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:39.960
Most certainly your your survival is not most certainly like

1011
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:43.039
others do not die because of your survival like it,

1012
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:47.920
It cannot be morally argued as such unless they like

1013
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:53.320
you know, so I think that is a sticky little wicket.

1014
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:56.039
But is what is making me think of.

1015
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:02.760
I think that that's a dynamite reading. And I think

1016
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.519
that that's a dynamite reading also indicative of you know,

1017
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:09.400
the folks in charge mm hmm, by going that this

1018
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.639
is a great issue because I think the episode paints

1019
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:17.199
with that ass do it's pretty cut and dry right

1020
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:20.280
as you are arguing, and I think, yeah, it was.

1021
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.920
Pretty good dry, and you would have the argument from

1022
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:26.880
the other side of like, well, our our actual state

1023
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:29.800
of being is threatened, and it's like you are or

1024
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.239
you could just ask, or you could look, there could

1025
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.760
be other solutions at hand.

1026
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.639
Like it was within the episode they said that they've

1027
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.360
tried other solutions, this is the only way that works.

1028
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.159
But also well, and that so what that says to me, like,

1029
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:48.559
if we're going to go pure textual reading, right, if

1030
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:52.519
you're taking everything as true, the fact that McCoy could

1031
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.679
create a cure means that they probably could have as well.

1032
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.440
It's not like McCoy is the smartest scientist and doctor.

1033
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:05.000
Alive, right, they kind of paint McCoy as the smartest

1034
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:09.800
doctor well other episodes, but also who's to say. But

1035
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.199
also also there's this notion that I've glumped onto within

1036
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:17.360
the past month or so of utilizing trauma as an

1037
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.840
excuse right to exercise things that you've always wanted to do.

1038
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:23.920
That is that is exactly very real?

1039
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:24.480
That is it?

1040
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.440
That is it is an issue because they you're choosing

1041
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.719
a fight as opposed to being like, yes, something very

1042
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.800
bad has happened to me and trying to process that

1043
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.199
in a constructive way and.

1044
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.079
In the generational trauma of it is like, this is

1045
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:38.920
the way it has always been done, Like or at

1046
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.880
this point, it's like you you have the stories that

1047
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.599
are are kind of given to you. Yeah, because presumably

1048
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.400
they could have popped in, pulled someone into a little

1049
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.039
space and being like been like, you are a very

1050
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.519
well respected scientist, help us find a solution, but they

1051
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.480
don't fucking do that. Yeah, they're just like, we're going

1052
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:04.199
to literally use you as brief stock horrifying shit. Right. Like, man,

1053
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.159
So I think it's exactly what you're saying, which is like,

1054
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.840
at a certain point it becomes an excuse to enact

1055
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.000
the violence on others. Yeah, like you're not looking for

1056
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:14.239
other solutions.

1057
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:18.639
Because to a degree it is also and perhaps it's

1058
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.800
easier for me to say that because these are white

1059
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.000
folks better fighting for survival but a notion of ego,

1060
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:30.960
because you're doing this for the survival of your race, right, Okay,

1061
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.599
what does this mean? Or you could attempt to just

1062
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:43.960
make the best of what you have, right, Well, Yeah, yeah.

1063
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.280
Or again you could look for other fucking solutions, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

1064
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:48.599
there is an ego element there.

1065
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:50.039
You're saying that Wink of an Eye is the most

1066
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.639
philosophically watch episode of that we have ever covered, and.

1067
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:56.039
From being like I'm just like struggling for things to

1068
01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:01.000
being like angry, like, oh, that's right, you're right. The

1069
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.639
core fundamental thing did does enrage me now that I

1070
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:04.159
think about it.

1071
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.119
Yeah, And also I mean to talk about Star Wars

1072
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.639
and the philosophical implications or not philosophical, more like the

1073
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:14.440
political implications the fact that Duku gets captured by a

1074
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:19.000
group of pirates yeah, as well, which feels so on

1075
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:24.840
the one hand, the Jedi are superheroes. The Jedi are

1076
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.920
space cops. The Jedi can do anything and be anything

1077
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:32.679
whatever the plot needs. But there is a there is

1078
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:37.400
an It's so fascinating watching the Feloniesoni this week, and

1079
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.719
Filoni starting off with being like, this is you know,

1080
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.880
people might say that it's silling, people might say that

1081
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.880
it's selling for pirates to kind of capture account Dica.

1082
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:51.360
But there's thirty and he keeps saying that there's thirty

1083
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:54.159
of them and there's only one count I'm going to

1084
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.920
start working on my day Poloni impression. I think it's

1085
01:04:58.119 --> 01:04:59.920
high pitched. I think I'm close.

1086
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:01.760
Yeah, you're good. That's good.

1087
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:02.280
I like it.

1088
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:06.760
I want to start working on that Irish guy cute.

1089
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.840
But watching this episode, I'm just like, there's just something

1090
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:14.559
to it that feels honest.

1091
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:20.480
Yeah, I think that's true. I mean, it's a well

1092
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:22.360
constructed episode, a lot of interesting.

1093
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.400
It's a well constructed episode where Douku is distrustful of

1094
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.239
these folks, but like he has to get away from

1095
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:32.280
the Jedi. Yeah, and so season opportunity. But also the

1096
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:37.800
pirates are smart. Hondo is smart, or at least smart enough,

1097
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:42.280
smart enough to be like I'm going to underplay my hand. Yeah,

1098
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.920
and then it's just trustworthy enough. And then it's just like,

1099
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.239
we're not stupid. We know who you are. Now you're

1100
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:54.719
a prisoner. Yeah, that's that's great. That's cool.

1101
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:56.000
Is really cool.

1102
01:05:56.239 --> 01:06:00.519
I enjoy that. I enjoy the implications of that. I'm

1103
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.840
excited to see what happens. Obviously, the status quo has

1104
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.679
to get reverted back for episode three, right, I.

1105
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.639
Mean you it is very and it is very fun

1106
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.639
to see doqu on his back foot and.

1107
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:18.639
Then also the negotiating with Palpatine. Yes, and Yoda, Mace

1108
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:23.360
Windu and Padme Yeah, and Palpatine because I don't know

1109
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.239
if you know this, Pala, Palpatine's in charge of both sides.

1110
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:31.480
Palatans like, what do I do? What I didn't expect pirates.

1111
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:35.159
He's like, no, what do I do? I guess I

1112
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:39.679
could just pay money. He's like, which bank account do

1113
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:41.800
I use? And I make sure it's not the wrong one.

1114
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:44.760
It's like, oh, I got to take my money out

1115
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.760
of like evil Sith accounts versus my good Jedi accounts.

1116
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.320
Yeah, exactly. And so seeing the maneuvering with that and

1117
01:06:55.039 --> 01:07:00.119
these pirates having actual political leverage, Oh, I love it.

1118
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.280
Palpatine kind of overplaying it. Yeah, Also having to play

1119
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:07.480
it just right is delicious.

1120
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.440
It's it's great. It is fun to see a third

1121
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.239
party come in and have power, like, it's very cool.

1122
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.760
A third party that also feels like an extrapolation of

1123
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.159
the Star Wars universe is supposed to.

1124
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.960
Invention, which is way too a get to Dathamir witches.

1125
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.039
I've seen the data Meir witches.

1126
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:27.840
But wait till you see them in Clone Wars.

1127
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.440
If their hands aren't lightsabers. They aren't.

1128
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.519
They aren't lighter, but they do like like this minging,

1129
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:47.360
Sorry what ing? Anyway, I think we did it.

1130
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:50.599
Sorry, I'm thinking about Star Wars politics, which.

1131
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:52.159
Good, that's what you're supposed to do.

1132
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:58.440
Remember, watching politics, at least fictional politics is always very

1133
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:04.360
interesting for me. And it's so interesting whenever they restarted

1134
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:08.119
doing Star Wars with sequel trilogy and basically jettison politics. Yeah,

1135
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:13.119
as opposed to recognizing the facts on the ground, which

1136
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.719
is that George Lucas was a bad director and wasn't

1137
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:19.560
able to execute the politics in a compelling way, right.

1138
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:23.960
Like Clone Wars is an example of executing the politics

1139
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.479
in a compelling way. It is possible and is an

1140
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:29.079
extraordinary example.

1141
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:34.000
Yeah, there are so many examples of executing politics in

1142
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:38.920
it excellent way. But instead Force Awakens rolls around and

1143
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.479
we have no sense of what the universe is. But

1144
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:44.800
also that is a movie that is completely dealing with

1145
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.760
broken record aesthetics. Just make an aesthetics button.

1146
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:54.560
Yeah, it's just knowing it should be going aesthetics.

1147
01:08:54.920 --> 01:09:02.199
As the front road, I want to believe. No, it's not.

1148
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:04.840
He's not levitating. It's a static.

1149
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.439
Okay, Okay, I know what's next. You can't trick me.

1150
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.199
I know a long time ago.

1151
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:19.279
Start dating this week. I quoted a boat, I dated

1152
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.560
a geek, but none of them could warp my drive

1153
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:29.680
into highberd space. The best of both worlds kept me

1154
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:38.119
in the second place. Captain's log on a Holla kron.

1155
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:43.520
I wanted a song, I penned a song. Seventeen more

1156
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:52.880
minutes abdies in super high def aboard the USS Erprise DT.

1157
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:00.560
Don't you take my walk lighter and clip it? Don't

1158
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:04.079
you take my redchord, buddy and nip it? If you

1159
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:06.359
spill the tea, I'm gonna sip it.

1160
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:11.760
A starship it as what are we doing? All right?

1161
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:17.600
We are naming our favorite starships that ship through the sky,

1162
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:25.039
our favorite relationships that ship through our heart. That's how

1163
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:30.720
it works. Uh So we're gonna start with our favorite

1164
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.119
vehicles or ships from either property.

1165
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:37.079
You bet you're and I'm You're gonna go first.

1166
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:41.159
You're gonna take it first, damn it, damn it, damn it.

1167
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.720
Now I'm going for You can also take like the second,

1168
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.800
because we got two. Okay, if our minds are SYMPATICO, okay.

1169
01:10:48.680 --> 01:11:04.119
That's true. We have A five seven. Just a straight

1170
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:06.039
up spaceship.

1171
01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:11.000
Straight up flying saucer. Uh. It says if they took

1172
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.319
the model of the flying saucer from Indiana Jones and

1173
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:16.399
Kingdom the Crystal Skull, a copy pasted it in and

1174
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.680
I am fine with that. Weak ways fly flying saucers

1175
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:22.920
complete with all the sound effects. They were talking in

1176
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.199
the Feloni Zone about the beautiful therarem and trying to

1177
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:30.520
use that because George Lucas, according to the Ploni Zoni,

1178
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:34.079
has been looking for a way to incorporate flying saucers

1179
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:35.279
into Star Wars.

1180
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.079
Good, they're aliens.

1181
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:37.920
That's great.

1182
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:38.720
I love it.

1183
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:43.479
That's great. I enjoy that great. What is great about

1184
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.840
that is that I love flying saucers and I love them.

1185
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.399
Oh, I think that's great because I too love flying saucers.

1186
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:50.399
And I love that you love them.

1187
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.159
I love that you love that I love them.

1188
01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:55.520
I love that there's a flying saucer and then there's

1189
01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.079
a little like kind of like thing that comes out

1190
01:11:58.079 --> 01:11:59.279
where you know, where you might pick up a cow

1191
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:00.800
and then now or flying saucer.

1192
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.479
Well, I remember looking at the concept drawings for the

1193
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.399
making the art of episode one. You know, the little

1194
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:10.720
tiny book that came. I don't know if you had

1195
01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.800
this BHS, but the Star Wars Episode one VHS widescreen BHS,

1196
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.359
I might, I might have sure, And it came with

1197
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:21.479
its own little, teeny tiny version of the art of

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01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.079
episode one, and it was shown like alternative versions of

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01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:27.920
Naboo star Fighters, and one of those designs was indeed

1200
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.520
just a saucer well with a cockpit, which is what

1201
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.520
I think your starship is probably going to have.

1202
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.760
Well, okay, I think that you've taken it with this,

1203
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.720
like both of I think that the ideas there are

1204
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:41.239
the same.

1205
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:43.520
No, no, no, they're different ships.

1206
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.479
Now, I know they're different ships. I know they're different ships.

1207
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:51.359
But I'll let you have your glory of the flying saucer,

1208
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:55.119
and I guess in that in that case, I will

1209
01:12:55.199 --> 01:13:00.920
take also from Clone Wars the she sheat the Pede

1210
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:07.720
class transport shuttle that Douq takes and uh crashes. That's

1211
01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:10.680
what it's called. The sheet, the Pede. The sheet, the

1212
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.199
Pede class transport shuttle, that's what it's called. It's like

1213
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:20.239
a sheet, the Pede. It's a Namoidian escort shuttle. It's

1214
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:23.479
a short range transport and it has like a real

1215
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:29.239
Nomoidian vibe. It looks like a soul, a Namboidian soldier beetle,

1216
01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:34.000
so like it's kind of like what I really what

1217
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:35.720
I did really like about is when I really liked

1218
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.359
the shape, and then when I found out that it

1219
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.880
was an Amoidian as well. That makes sense to me

1220
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:42.399
because they just I feel like it just has a

1221
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:46.359
sort of aesthetic representation where it feels so associated with Namoidians.

1222
01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:51.399
It's a cool one. I really liked it. So if

1223
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.119
you weren't going to take the flying saucer, which I

1224
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:55.760
knew you would, I was like, I'll do this. I'll

1225
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:56.000
do this.

1226
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.640
Little guy so so great.

1227
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:02.720
I guess we could all say take the idea of

1228
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:11.199
moving quickly through time the like Sculosian water. You are

1229
01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.119
moving through. You are the vehicle moving.

1230
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.880
Through lot me look at me, you are the vehicle now.

1231
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:25.000
So it's but beautiful, fun, exciting, exciting starships and in

1232
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:29.520
Clone Wars today, God, what a nice time. I loved.

1233
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:30.680
I love their arts.

1234
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:38.039
So you know what else is good? Relatance relationships. I

1235
01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:42.000
was swinging in like a buccaneer, seizing the first choice.

1236
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.000
I'll be a gentleman and I'll let you have the

1237
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:53.359
first relationship. All right, Wow, you just you just completely

1238
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:54.520
just took a nap, right.

1239
01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.039
This is my idea for a game too. Well, it's

1240
01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:02.239
technically joals id. He every time I'm like, it's my game,

1241
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.439
He's like, I gave you the idea. This is called

1242
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:11.439
a power couple. Uh what am I trying to say?

1243
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:16.279
I feel like I'm telling you it's a goofy day.

1244
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:23.039
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna do it.

1245
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:24.800
I'm gonna do a track one and I'm gonna do

1246
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:31.960
Dealer in rail Rail I'm gonna do them. Really, yes, really,

1247
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.319
I'm not gonna do a dealer. I'm not gonna do

1248
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:41.840
dealer in Kirk because it feels too yucky.

1249
01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:43.039
Even if they're growth hot.

1250
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:46.479
I've done yucky ones before, but this one feels I

1251
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:47.840
don't want to. I just don't want to deal with

1252
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.880
her right now. It just feels so gross. I believe

1253
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:56.640
in their villain love, their villainous love. I feel sad

1254
01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:01.600
that they are restricted by con of what love should be.

1255
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.239
She obviously adores him. The things that she likes about

1256
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:10.840
Kirk are characteristics of him. They're very well matched and

1257
01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:14.720
it is a tragedy of their circumstance that they don't

1258
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:19.279
feel quite like that be like obviously, if there were

1259
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:22.399
space for like real polyocule love like that wasn't based

1260
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.760
in sort of subjugation of people, like that'd be rad too,

1261
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.439
Like the threesome would be fantastic, Like add Kirk to that,

1262
01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.880
that would be a rad one love that that'd be

1263
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:36.079
a great ship, I think, because there is no space

1264
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:39.560
for that space for that in this there's just this

1265
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:43.560
idea of like Eider oors just do the two of them,

1266
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:45.239
and I'm gonna wish for I would wish for a

1267
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.159
better circumstance for them that maybe the maybe he does

1268
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:51.840
ship down the cure and they do get to have

1269
01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:55.840
lots of fucking villain babies. I don't know, they teach

1270
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.840
them a better life in a world that isn't about

1271
01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:00.960
domination of other people and the eradication of their own

1272
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:07.640
survival doing great, that's fine, that's.

1273
01:17:07.479 --> 01:17:12.279
My ship excellent. So my ship is Hondo and his

1274
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:21.479
entire crew great hondo o Naka has the energy of

1275
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:27.000
being like you. You are someone that is new. It's Friday.

1276
01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.840
Would you like to have a good dime? Na and

1277
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.960
I think everyone is just like, yeah, man, we we

1278
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:38.039
we are hedonists.

1279
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.039
Yeah, they got that vibe.

1280
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:45.039
Yeah, we're hedonists. We want to live big, let's do it.

1281
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.720
And so everyone is getting together with everyone, but they're

1282
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:52.199
kind of chill about it. It's just cool, open love.

1283
01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:55.960
Everything's consensual, but none off it's serious. They just want

1284
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.039
to get you know, they just want to have a

1285
01:17:58.079 --> 01:17:58.479
good time.

1286
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.600
I love that. It's like the opposite of the other

1287
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:05.880
of the Star Trek situation. Oh what a joy. Everyone's

1288
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:07.279
just boning in.

1289
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:11.159
Yeah, and I'm choosing that My reading is that Honda

1290
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:16.880
is duplicitous. Yeah on the surface, yes, but then in

1291
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.319
the bedroom it's very generous.

1292
01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:25.439
Right, and he doesn't exert his power in an unsafe way.

1293
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:31.000
Yeah. Yeah, that's a great read because he's too busy

1294
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:36.680
trying to provide, even though he's providing in his own

1295
01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:39.760
duplicitest way, but he's still got to be expending a

1296
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.159
lot of effort and whenever, whenever he gets into the bedroom.

1297
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:46.720
I think it is a degree of vulnerability that quite frankly,

1298
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:52.479
might be uncomfortable for some Yeah, but they're willing because Hondo, yeah,

1299
01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.039
is such a hetenis and they're lead, heatedness. Other people

1300
01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:56.920
are willing to meet him.

1301
01:18:58.399 --> 01:18:59.800
It's real daddy energy.

1302
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:00.920
Mm hmmm.

1303
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:01.640
Yeah.

1304
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:09.000
Yeah, well we can only dream, you know, we can

1305
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.199
only dream and go to AO three.

1306
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:16.960
And speaking of AO three, there are two of these

1307
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.439
episodes that we have to rank because that is a

1308
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:23.720
central conceit of these episodes. I understand that is a

1309
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.399
sweaty transition. The sweaty transitions could be my middle name

1310
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:31.720
if we get enough Patreon money. So we go back

1311
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.039
to the central conceit of the podcast, which is better

1312
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.399
Star Trek or Star Wars by ranking both wink Of

1313
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:38.319
and I from season three of Star Trek the original

1314
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:43.319
series versus Dooku captured. Uh boy, oh boy, m hmm.

1315
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:48.640
I'm going going first, Duca captured. I'm gonna say I'm

1316
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:50.600
feeling generous today some point five.

1317
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:54.640
Oh yeah, so hot up, man, it is. That's some

1318
01:19:54.760 --> 01:20:00.680
good dynamics to it. Good dynamism, good character, where good art.

1319
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:04.920
The Anakin obi Wan relationship we've seen it, you know,

1320
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:11.000
and we've seen plays at it. Yeah, but we basically

1321
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:13.000
get to be with them for a whole episode, just

1322
01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:19.399
chumming around, and there they never really hit that they

1323
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:25.800
were friends in the movies they try, but Lucas is

1324
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:30.840
only so good and but here it feels effortless in

1325
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:32.800
a way that I don't think that we've seen before.

1326
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:34.840
It is it is a joy. And then at the

1327
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.159
same time Dukea dealing with the pirates and then the

1328
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:40.520
negotiations they are in and then Obi Wan again. Like

1329
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.600
I said, the ending of this episode is really something

1330
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:45.520
that makes it for me by them just being like

1331
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:46.520
it just worked out.

1332
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:48.239
It just worked or did it?

1333
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:54.479
Yeah, this is the last episode of Clone Wars, right,

1334
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.000
and yeah, all Star Wars.

1335
01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:00.840
Today is we are now starting on our Xena versus.

1336
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:03.520
Hercules, Like, Xena, what are you talking?

1337
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:03.920
I know?

1338
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:09.199
Now A listen, I know. I love There's a line

1339
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:11.880
that I just keep thinking about. I was in the

1340
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:16.279
Flowny zone too, where uh Anakin's like how how am

1341
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:17.760
I expected to do it? Like He's like, He's like,

1342
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:19.439
why am I always going to get captured? He's like, well,

1343
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:21.600
you're a Jedi master, you won't And he's like, well,

1344
01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:23.159
how am I expected to be a master if I'm

1345
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.239
always getting caught. He's just like, well, I guess you

1346
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.520
are a master had getting captured.

1347
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.119
It's just like so and then What's weird is that

1348
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.520
a basketball came out of nowhere. Obi Wan got it

1349
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:36.079
and then just immediately dunked it.

1350
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.600
He was just like yeah, like some sunglasses and a

1351
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:48.159
cap came down and just went burned. Gottam.

1352
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:52.039
He skateboarded out onto a half pipe and then just

1353
01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:52.800
nailed it.

1354
01:21:54.560 --> 01:22:04.680
The like CSI music was like, great up, great app?

1355
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:06.640
Can I also give it a seven point five?

1356
01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:07.840
Yeah?

1357
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:13.640
Absolutelys I can match because I feel the same. I

1358
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:14.359
feel the same.

1359
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:17.239
Man. It's a hot app. Man, this is fun.

1360
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.039
It's just such a good show.

1361
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:22.479
And then averaging R two scores together that brings it

1362
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.199
to a collected at all a seven point five. But

1363
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:27.000
it's still anyone's game. As we go over to wink

1364
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:30.560
of a nine, which I'm going to give ey seven.

1365
01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:34.520
Oh you are okay, okay, I'm not even lying to

1366
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:37.239
I was. I also had seven in my mind, not

1367
01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:40.039
not not joking, it was.

1368
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.279
Yeah. This is a fun, silly, campy episode of Star

1369
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:50.000
Trek that gets by on emotional vibes.

1370
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:54.359
Yeah, yeah, emotional and propulsion for sure.

1371
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:58.239
It's a fun, quick paced action first quick episode. Don't

1372
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:00.600
think about it too hard, stop just enjoy it.

1373
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:05.880
Just get over yourselves. Oh, magnets, magnet.

1374
01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:17.039
Speaking of magnets, these polls have written whatever, yeah, exact,

1375
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:19.239
Star Wars. When's the week?

1376
01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:28.960
I'm loving you? What a time to be alive? You know, truly,

1377
01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:32.560
truly the time to be alive? Or Star Wars is dominating.

1378
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.840
Star Wars dominating and you know who else dominates us?

1379
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:37.000
God?

1380
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:47.000
Yeah, God, wonderful contribution. I appreciate your input.

1381
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:54.199
Have you heard the good news about domination.

1382
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:59.479
Our patrons and our folks this week? On our Instagram

1383
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:01.479
which you can go over to instagram dot com slash

1384
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:04.439
Truck Wars Pod, we ran a little contest and uh,

1385
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:08.000
a previous guest and hopefully future guest, doctor Tiffany Knowle,

1386
01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:12.840
is a proud winner of a new and unopened season

1387
01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:17.720
one Blu ray a Star Trek Picard. Congratulations, doctor Tiffany Knowle,

1388
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:20.640
you did, buddy, are a Trek Wars All Star.

1389
01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:21.279
Oh?

1390
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:23.119
I really like that.

1391
01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:27.239
We do, actually well, hold on, we do canonically have

1392
01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:29.960
the honorary badge of Courage, something that we are very

1393
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:32.319
rarely given out. And so I'm going to switch it

1394
01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:37.199
from Trek Wars All Star to pronounce that Tiffany Knowle. Sorry,

1395
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:41.279
doctor Tiffany L. Nole is the second inductee to the

1396
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:46.079
Honorary Badge of Courage Trek Wars. Congratulations, doctor Tiffany Knowle,

1397
01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:47.720
you are a winner.

1398
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:54.640
Who's got our first battle.

1399
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.760
Carriage cinematographer Jerry Finnerman.

1400
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.359
Oh okayage a Jerry.

1401
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:05.239
Great job Jerry, and great job doctor Tiffany. Yell. Yes.

1402
01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:09.119
What you had to do to participate in the contest

1403
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:11.319
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1404
01:25:11.359 --> 01:25:13.880
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1405
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:17.520
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1406
01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.720
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01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:23.680
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1408
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:26.079
And not only do we get that contribution, we got

1409
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.920
a contribution from our latest Patreon episode from Arizona Mark.

1410
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:36.560
In our discussion with doctor Tiffany L. Nole, Uh, hell,

1411
01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:38.880
you add to animation being a medium that can and

1412
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.840
does do anything. We need to have this conversation on

1413
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:46.720
animation fascination. All three people from this episode plus me, Yeah,

1414
01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:49.840
I agree. Yeah, I love to do that.

1415
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:53.479
Shout out to Mark's podcast Animation Fascination.

1416
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.439
I mean, whenever we start the animated series, we should

1417
01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:02.720
probably have Arizona Mark on if he's fascinated with animation, like.

1418
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:04.439
If you like really like I mean, we're talking about

1419
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:08.479
Clone Wars, we're talking about we were talking about animation.

1420
01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.800
That's true. Uh, we are talking about animation, but that's different.

1421
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:18.039
Thank you so much, Arizona Mark. Freaking love reading your correspondence.

1422
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:23.880
And also, yeah, for folks that are subscribed, for just

1423
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.039
looking at our Patreon because they want to see what

1424
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:29.800
the heck we're up to. Because we have free subscribers,

1425
01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:34.920
we have also created a new tier. For one dollar

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a month, you can subscribe to our Patreon and we

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will say your name on air. Here we got fifty

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slots open. Where are you waiting for?

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You?

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Ding dongs?

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Goodness? Oh gosh, do you think that's how we get people?

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Get him with the honey? Yeah, saying dogs, you're dang

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your dogs, That's what I mean.

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Saying your name that is great, that's right. Literally every

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single bit helps because it is it is a joy

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that we are net even on our bills. Yeah, in

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order to do this thing, because I've done so many

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podcasts in the past where we were losing lots of money,

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and that was unfortunate, and I'm really glad that we

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have an audience that is helping us pay the bills.

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Yeah, thanks guys, Hey, Hey, thanks thanks Hey, Kenny, Hey,

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Yeah thanks thanks, Yeah, thanks.

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Gool goo cool.

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Anyways, you Tube could join the fine offices of fine

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folks such as Tempo de Sosa, Uh, Heidi Rogers, Kevin Miller, Arizona,

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Mark Austin, Aaron h and lastly, but certainly not leastly,

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Joel t Partner who composed our I starship at theme song.

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Our main music and our titles come from mister Tosnaufesso,

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where you can get more of his services by going

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to the show notes below. U anything else that I'm

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forgetting from our usual end of episodes spiel dude, I

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love it, I love it. I freaking love you. Ask me.

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It's such a joy to be able to talk to

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you every single week.

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Freaking love you. Uh.

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In audience, we sincerely love you very much, Thank you

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so much for listening. We'll see you out there. Also

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made the Force speak with you in Lovelocker.

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Prosper